More Reason Sean Hannity sucks and is batshit crazy...

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/12/conservative-columnist-bl_n_214655.html

During a discussion of David Letterman's joke about Sarah Palin on "Hannity" on Thursday night, conservative columnist S.E. Cupp blamed Obama.

Cupp and Sean Hannity didn't accept Letterman's explanation of his joke, in which he regretted the comments, and slammed the lack of outrage in the mainstream media about the jokes in which Letterman referred to Palin's "slutty-flight-attendant look" and quipped that her daughter got "knocked up by [NY Yankee] Alex Rodriguez"

Cupp, who is a contributor to the Washington Post and Politico, fumed:

"This is the enduring legacy of the Obama campaign. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I blame Barack Obama because he allowed his surrogates in the media and Hollywood and everyone else on the left to do this dirty talking for him."

Cupp called on Obama to condemn the comments.

Hannity agreed with Cupp, adding "It's like a Sista Souljah moment," referring to the infamous scandal in which then-candidate Bill Clinton repudiated the rapper's comments, outraging free-speech advocates but helping him win the votes of conservative Democrats.

(oh there's a video for you people who don't think Huffingtonpost is reliable):annoyed:

Batshit crazy...so now Obama is writing for David Letterman but oooooooooooooooooo Fox news isnt responsible for stirring up the hate into a frothy mixture that causes people to shoot at holcaust museums and bomb abortion clinics...yeah ok...i got that!

[EliSnow]

I hate that right pundits and politicians have decided that the best way to deal with the whole PC movement of the 1990's was to be just as whiney and unhumorous..

Jesus christ, they were jokes by Letterman, who has made fun of both left and right politicians. Grow a pair and ignore the jokes.

And Governor Palin, you do have a "slutty fight attendant look."

[razorboy]

And Governor Palin, you do have a "slutty fight attendant look."

Slutty flight attendants are hot. She most definitely isn't.

[EliSnow]

Slutty flight attendants are hot. She most definitely isn't.

Would it better if I said that it looks like she's trying for the slutty flight attendant look?

[razorboy]

Would it better if I said that it looks like she's trying for the slutty flight attendant look?

Yes.

[angrymissy]

Doesn't she have a State to Govern? Long trip from Alaska to NY just to go on the Today show.

[epo]

Doesn't she have a State to Govern? Long trip from Alaska to NY just to go on the Today show.

The Queen of the Moose is obviously running in 2012, so she needs her face on your tv.

[razorboy]

Doesn't she have a State to Govern? Long trip from Alaska to NY just to go on the Today show.

She could always do The Cегодня Show.

[EliSnow]

One of the things said in this type of thing (and which I just saw) is "if he had said this about (democrat or liberal figure), the left would be outraged." The one that I just saw was "if Letterman had said this about Clinton, the left would be outraged."

Shit, how long have people made fun about Hilary Clinton for her cankles, her pants suits, etc.? And you don't see outrage for the left.

And even if the statement was accurate, how about taking the better route and not acting like you think the left would, but just sit back and ignore what a fucking comedien says about you? Or just acknowlege that it was a joke?

[Doogie]

Im gonna tell you all something. A lil story comes with it first. The other day my car was in the shop getting some brakes done. My parents, being the decent human beings they are, allowed me to borrow their car so I can get to work. I usually hook up my XM Roady in the car when I borrow it for such cases, I forgot it this time. As a result of me forgetting to bring my radio I had to listen to AM talk. Sure I could have of put on music, but all the stations in NY are completely intolerable, and I hate that fucktard Mike on WFAN. So I tuned in to 770.

I heard the Sean Hannity rant, and I have to tell you all, This is a GIGANTIC media slant here. I say so cause I happened to be tuned in at that time and I heard Hannity's rant. He didnt exactly say the words "Obama is at fault!!! Ahhhhhhhhh, raise the guns!! Kill the ni**er!!!" What he did say was that the media (and lets be honest here, it is a VERY slanted to the left media with this president) WOULD not go after Obama, nor his wife, no Hillary Clinton in this fashion. He blamed Obama in an indirect way for allowing the media for being their gigantic safeguard, and guardian. He didnt say Obama was at fault directly.

Now I say this to you all as some thoughtful mother fuckers on this board. And many that know me know that I am a middle of the road mother fucker as well. Due to my circumstances, I happened to be in the car and happened to hear his rant at the exact MOMENT this Huffington Post is reporting. Yet I didnt hear anything close to what they are reporting. Am I liar?? Is their a possibility there is a slant here?? How come we have no audio to accompany Hannity to back up this article??

Am I one to twist facts cause I am a fan of Hannity and the right?? No. Plain and simple. I am telling y'all as an observer who happened to "witness" the said events being reported here and telling y'all (and yes I used 'y'all' as opposed to 'you all') that no such thing was said in that manner. Take my word or the GIGANTICALLY slanted Huffington Post. That's your Goddamn right as Human beings.

[razorboy]

One of the things said in this type of thing (and which I just saw) is "if he had said this about (democrat or liberal figure), the left would be outraged." The one that I just saw was "if Letterman had said this about Clinton, the left would be outraged."

Shit, how long have people made fun about Hilary Clinto for her cankles, her pants suits, etc.? And you don't see outrage for the left.

And even if the statement was accurate, how about taking the better route and not acting like you think the left would, but just sit back and ignore what a fucking comedien says about you? Or just acknowlege that it was a joke?

I'd like to meet this Clinto broad.

[EliSnow]

Take my word or the GIGANTICALLY slanted Huffington Post. That's your Goddamn right as Human beings.

I don't give a shit whether Hannity blamed Obama or not. Just the fact tha the bitched about the jokes, and that he said that the media would not make the same types of jokes about the Clintons or the left just drives me nuts. Stop portraying yourself as victims of the "media," which is what he is doing even according to your word.

[Dr.Girlfriend]

Slutty flight attendants are hot. She most definitely isn't.

Really?

http://patterico.com/wp/wp-content/images/fake-sarah-palin-bikini-photo.jpg

[angrymissy]

Im gonna tell you all something. A lil story comes with it first. The other day my car was in the shop getting some brakes done. My parents, being the decent human beings they are, allowed me to borrow their car so I can get to work. I usually hook up my XM Roady in the car when I borrow it for such cases, I forgot it this time. As a result of me forgetting to bring my radio I had to listen to AM talk. Sure I could have of put on music, but all the stations in NY are completely intolerable, and I hate that fucktard Mike on WFAN. So I tuned in to 770.

I heard the Sean Hannity rant, and I have to tell you all, This is a GIGANTIC media slant here. I say so cause I happened to be tuned in at that time and I heard Hannity's rant. He didnt exactly say the words "Obama is at fault!!! Ahhhhhhhhh, raise the guns!! Kill the ni**er!!!" What he did say was that the media (and lets be honest here, it is a VERY slanted to the left media with this president) WOULD not go after Obama, nor his wife, no Hillary Clinton in this fashion. He blamed Obama in an indirect way for allowing the media for being their gigantic safeguard, and guardian. He didnt say Obama was at fault directly.

Now I say this to you all as some thoughtful mother fuckers on this board. And many that know me know that I am a middle of the road mother fucker as well. Due to my circumstances, I happened to be in the car and happened to hear his rant at the exact MOMENT this Huffington Post is reporting. Yet I didnt hear anything close to what they are reporting. Am I liar?? Is their a possibility there is a slant here?? How come we have no audio to accompany Hannity to back up this article??

Am I one to twist facts cause I am a fan of Hannity and the right?? No. Plain and simple. I am telling y'all as an observer who happened to "witness" the said events being reported here and telling y'all (and yes I used 'y'all' as opposed to 'you all') that no such thing was said in that manner. Take my word or the GIGANTICALLY slanted Huffington Post. That's your Goddamn right as Human beings.

Huffpo has the video. Maybe you heard a different part of his show? It was more his guest making the statement, but Hannity agreed. Her direct quote was ""I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I blame Barack Obama..." She then goes on to say that Obama never spoke out against attacks on children of politicians... which he did.

[CurseoftheBambi]

What hannity did was lie by omission he didn't call his guest out for her lie. So that's like he was agreeing with her statement. That's like me saying so and so is a rapist and my friend who knows so and so isnt a rapist cause he was with them at the time but doesnt call me out on my unfactual statement. He didn't call her out.

Yeah and like missy said and like i said when i gave this post...there is A VIDEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

So doogie who's more slanted...the huffingtonpost or hannity against obama ?

[Doogie]

I gotta admit this...you can make it a drinking game every time the president speaks of when he blames the previous administration. It is a most joyous time for all.

And as far as Hannity, like I said, I never heard him admit any shit like that. The video shows him shaking his head and being polite with a guest, yet the man never said the words that he is being accused of saying. Plain and simple. Like I said, I happened to have his show on, and I never heard him accuse Obama at all. The man is too professional for that.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Uh..he has no problem blaming obama for strange stuff like Dijon Mustard being elitst...I'm sure he has no problem calling out a guest he doesnt agree with...he tried to do with Jesse Ventura only to be shut down...so i dont think he would have a problem with a woman.

[Doogie]

Jesse Ventura is an ass whose only reputable cred was always siding with the bad guy during big WWF broadcasts back in the day. And I cant believe I am sitting here defending Hannity. But I guess I just want y'all to see the other side of this argument...

If you all cared we would be doing something about all these "spokespeople" for us. Hannity doesnt represent me. America Left doesnt represent me. Foxnews, nor CNN represents me. I represent myself. I am a man, by myself.

[EliSnow]

I gotta admit this...you can make it a drinking game every time the president speaks of when he blames the previous administration. It is a most joyous time for all.

How about we compare apples to apples. Blaming a previous administration for national troubles or their actions and blaming a president or politician for a statement made by someone compltely unrelated to the president/politician are two very different things.

And as for the former, I would bet that every president has blamed the previous administration for problems or crisis that arise. Bush's administratrion certainly did that for 9/11 and the credit crisis.

[razorboy]

Quite honestly Sean Hannity and Jesse Ventura are interchangeable. They are both carnies.

[angrymissy]

I gotta admit this...you can make it a drinking game every time the president speaks of when he blames the previous administration. It is a most joyous time for all.

And as far as Hannity, like I said, I never heard him admit any shit like that. The video shows him shaking his head and being polite with a guest, yet the man never said the words that he is being accused of saying. Plain and simple. Like I said, I happened to have his show on, and I never heard him accuse Obama at all. The man is too professional for that.

He nods and compares it to a situation with Clinton, those were the words he was quoted as saying by HuffPo. I'm not a huge HuffPo fan, they're the left version of Fox News, but I watched the video and they are not reporting anything incorrectly.

At the very least, he should have spoken out when the guest said Obama had never spoken out against such talk, when Obama did, very publically.

[CurseoftheBambi]

With respect, Jesse being an ass has nothing to do with Sean's ability to call out a guest he doesn't agree with.

By the way Sean, I'm still waiting for that waterboarding you were gonna do ... for the troops!

[Doogie]

How about we compare apples to apples. Blaming a previous administration for national troubles or their actions and blaming a president or politician for a statement made by someone compltely unrelated to the president/politician.

And as for the former, I would be every president goes on and blames the previous administration for problems or crisis that arise. Bush's administratrion certainly did that for 9/11 and the credit crisis.

Look I am not one to say the Bush Administration is NOT without their faults. But this is "Mr.Change" and "...we are going to look beyond yesterday and onto tomorrow." Yet all I hear is just tacky shit of blaming the previous administration. There is a word for that type of double talk..."Hypocrite." Hmmm lets explore the meaning of this word:

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feeling

My, my...thank God for little old Webster dictionary ehh.

Obama prefers to liken himself to Ronald Reagan, yet Reagan had no need to beat up on Jimmy Carter. Fuck that shit, he beat that mother fucker hands down in the election. Just carry out your policies and let history speak for you. Stop with the ninny-crying "well...it wasnt my fault. The other guy fucked up before me" mantra. We all elected this guy, time for him to move on from the past and stop his crying. It just makes you look like a faggot when you do that shit...on top of bowing to a Saudi prince and being a puss boy with North Korea.

I'll say this. I was in the military when North Korea started that shit in 2005 and Bush made it clear we would NOT put up with their shit. And I have to say, those mother fuckers backed the fuck down when he did that shit. They cried and called in China and Russia to mediate too. The man had his faults, but when it came to little hegemons like that he dealt with that shit right away. And no way on God's green Earth will I fault that. I went to bed a lot easier at night, being only 200 miles from that potential war-zone knowing that their was a man not willing to allow that bullshit to go on. And I didnt even vote for Bush!!!

[pennington]

I think Doogie was listening to Hannity's radio show and the Huffington Post is talking about Hannity's cable show (why anyone would cite the Huffington Post as an accurate depiction of anything is another story).

It is very clear that if Letterman had made his jokes about Obama's daughter or wife, he would be off CBS now. Period. Does anyone remember a passing comment Mr. Imus made?

And yes Eli, it did happen to the Clintons. I remember a little thowaway line Mike Myers did in a Wayne's World skit on SNL where Chelsea Clinton was mentioned in a top-ten list. Hillary had a fit. Lorne Michaels groveled immediately, edited the comment out of all repeats and as far as I can tell never mentioned Chelsea on that show ever again.

I saw Letterman's "apology". Although the transcript reads OK, it was very snarky and condescending. It just made things worse.

Politicans' children should be off limits. Once they enter the public arena, they're fair game. Like Ted Kennedy's son who just entered rehab; he's a congressman from RI and show be open to the scrutiny.

[EliSnow]

Look I am not one to say the Bush Administration is NOT without their faults. But this is "Mr.Change" and "...we are going to look beyond yesterday and onto tomorrow." Yet all I hear is just tacky shit of blaming the previous administration. There is a word for that type of double talk..."Hypocrite." Hmmm lets explore the meaning of this word:

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feeling

My, my...thank God for little old Webster dictionary ehh.

Obama prefers to liken himself to Ronald Reagan, yet Reagan had no need to beat up on Jimmy Carter. Fuck that shit, he beat that mother fucker hands down in the election. Just carry out your policies and let history speak for you. Stop with the ninny-crying "well...it wasnt my fault. The other guy fucked up before me" mantra. We all elected this guy, time for him to move on from the past and stop his crying. It just makes you look like a faggot when you do that shit...on top of bowing to a Saudi prince and being a puss boy with North Korea.

I'll say this. I was in the military when North Korea started that shit in 2005 and Bush made it clear we would NOT put up with their shit. And I have to say, those mother fuckers backed the fuck down when he did that shit. They cried and called in China and Russia to mediate too. The man had his faults, but when it came to little hegemons like that he dealt with that shit right away. And no way on God's green Earth will I fault that. I went to bed a lot easier at night, being only 200 miles from that potential war-zone knowing that their was a man not willing to allow that bullshit to go on. And I didnt even vote for Bush!!!

What does any of this have to do with blaming Obama for what David Letterman, a talk show host says?

[angrymissy]

I think Doogie was listening to Hannity's radio show and the Huffington Post is talking about Hannity's cable show (why anyone would cite the Huffington Post as an accurate depiction of anything is another story).

It is very clear that if Letterman had made his jokes about Obama's daughter or wife, he would be off CBS now. Period. Does anyone remember a passing comment Mr. Imus made?

And yes Eli, it did happen to the Clintons. I remember a little thowaway line Mike Myers did in a Wayne's World skit on SNL where Chelsea Clinton was mentioned in a top-ten list. Hillary had a fit. Lorne Michaels groveled immediately, edited the comment out of all repeats and as far as I can tell never mentioned Chelsea on that show ever again.

I saw Letterman's "apology". Although the transcript reads OK, it was very snarky and condescending. It just made things worse.

Politicans' children should be off limits. Once they enter the public arena, they're fair game. Like Ted Kennedy's son who just entered rehab; he's a congressman form RI and show be open to the scrutiny.

Rush did it to Chelsea as well, calling her a dog when she was 13 or 14, I believe.

[Doogie]

It is very clear that if Letterman had made his jokes about Obama's daughter or wife, he would be off CBS now. Period. Does anyone remember a passing comment Mr. Imus made?

And yes Eli, it did happen to the Clintons. I remember a little thowaway line Mike Myers did in a Wayne's World skit on SNL where Chelsea Clinton was mentioned in a top-ten list. Hillary had a fit. Lorne Michaels groveled immediately, edited the comment out of all repeats and as far as I can tell never mentioned Chelsea on that show ever again.

I saw Letterman's "apology". Although the transcript reads OK, it was very snarky and condescending. It just made things worse.

Politicans' children should be off limits. Once they enter the public arena, they're fair game. Like Ted Kennedy's son who just entered rehab; he's a congressman form RI and show be open to the scrutiny.

Thank you sir...I know I was being a jack of all asses talking about everything and nothing, but I was trying to get to that point. If that was done to Obama's daughters...gone!! Done. So done.

[CurseoftheBambi]

. It just makes you look like a faggot when you do that shit...on top of bowing to a Saudi prince and being a puss boy with North Korea.

are we really gonna bring up the bowing???? When Bush french kissed the same prince...and held his hand? It was a sign of respect it wasnt submission.

And Yeah blaming the previous adminstration counts a lot in this case *which has nothing to do with this thread but* considering the current unemployment and mess of the country situation...and that he's only being in office for 5months yet some act like he should have fixed everything already so yeah blaming the previous administation helps keep things in perspective...kinda like you have a new girlfriend...her previous bfs were assholes and jerks...and she's blaming you for what they did when you havent been with her to do any of that stuff. You rightfully tell her that was your previous bfs shit...i'm here to help clean it up and start a new thing with you.

I think Doogie was listening to Hannity's radio show and the Huffington Post is talking about Hannity's cable show (why anyone would cite the Huffington Post as an accurate depiction of anything is another story).It helps they have a video showing what was said so that's FAR more objective than reporting the news so you can see with your own two eyes and hear with your own two hears what was going on...but i guess that doesn't matter since its on huffington i suppose...

[foodcourtdruide]

It is very clear that if Letterman had made his jokes about Obama's daughter or wife, he would be off CBS now. Period. Does anyone remember a passing comment Mr. Imus made?

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This is your opinion. Please do not present it as a fact. Also, what is with these off-based comparisons? You don't see the differences between this and the Imus situation?

Also, is your screenname from the Daily News article about Fez Whatly & Ron Pennington?

[EliSnow]

It is very clear that if Letterman had made his jokes about Obama's daughter or wife, he would be off CBS now. Period. Does anyone remember a passing comment Mr. Imus made?

Only if the joke was a racist joke. Imus' joke was (arguably) a racist joke. You can make jokes about black people that are not racist.

So this overeaching statement is simply B.S.

And yes Eli, it did happen to the Clintons. I remember a little thowaway line Mike Myers did in a Wayne's World skit on SNL where Chelsea Clinton was mentioned in a top-ten list. Hillary had a fit. Lorne Michaels groveled immediately, edited the comment out of all repeats and as far as I can tell never mentioned Chelsea on that show ever again.

I saw Letterman's "apology". Although the transcript reads OK, it was very snarky and condescending. It just made things worse.

Politicans' children should be off limits. Once they enter the public arena, they're fair game. Like Ted Kennedy's son who just entered rehab; he's a congressman form RI and show be open to the scrutiny.

The complaining went beyond jokes made about Palin's kid, which I will grant may be too far. She and the right pundits complained about a joke about Palin's appearance. And it's not like this is the first time she has complained about hwo the media has portayed her and in particular jokes made about her.

My rant about the right being whiney bitches is not just about the joke about Bristol Palin getting pregnant again.

[foodcourtdruide]

Rush did it to Chelsea as well, calling her a dog when she was 13 or 14, I believe.

And he was immediately fired! Oh wait..

[SouthSideJohnny]

Jesse Ventura is an ass whose only reputable cred was always siding with the bad guy during big WWF broadcasts back in the day.

I'm not supporting Jesse Ventura, and I recognize he's made some crazy comments, especially lately. However, the guy was a navy seal so I do give him some leeway on national defense and terrorism issues. Also, he was governor of a state for a few years.

[Doogie]

This is your opinion. Please do not present it as a fact. Also, what is with these off-based comparisons? You don't see the differences between this and the Imus situation?

Also, is your screenname from the Daily News article about Fez Whatly & Ron Pennington?

Dont pursue it as fact?! Tell that to Imus and JV and Elvis. When you upset the left they fucking want you censored right away. Attack on right...fine by everyone. "They can get on. They are white." Fuck that bullshit HYPOCRISY!!

[CurseoftheBambi]

I'm not supporting Jesse Ventura, and I recognize he's made some crazy comments, especially lately. However, the guy was a navy seal so I do give him some leeway on national defense and terrorism issues. Also, he was governor of a state for a few years.

And he knows a hell of a lot more about waterboarding than Mr. Hannity who talks a good game but does nothing but can say to someone else "that's still not toture" who did get waterboarded (and I'm far from the mancow fan)

Dont pursue it as fact?! Tell that to Imus and JV and Elvis. When you upset the left they fucking want you censored right away. Attack on right...fine by everyone. "They can get on. They are white." Fuck that bullshit HYPOCRISY!! Has Hannity, Coulter, Bacchan, Beck been censored...no they are still spouting their batshit crazy anti-obama, terroist, unamerican, socialist, fascist, ideas.

[angrymissy]

Dont pursue it as fact?! Tell that to Imus and JV and Elvis. When you upset the left they fucking want you censored right away. Attack on right...fine by everyone. "They can get on. They are white." Fuck that bullshit HYPOCRISY!!

I thought that was stupid.
I think this is stupid.

I think people in high places, be it a celebrity or a politician, should be able to take jokez. I think this was in poor taste, I don't think he should be fired for it. I thought Imus was in poor taste, didn't think he should be fired for it.

Unless it's a personal threat, I think people should let it go.

[CurseoftheBambi]

and for a woman who was in a serious tone said someone was palling around with terroists and anti american and the works should be able to handle her daughter being accused of being a whore....since she knew both were untrue. But I guess if one gets you a job its ok to lie...but if its the other noooooooooo not ok..and i have to stand up for the truth.

I guess Obama should get on the today show and ask Sarah to apologize for all the things she said at her rally's...i mean after all what's ok for her to do is ok for him in the case of getting the truth out there.

[Doogie]

I thought that was stupid.
I think this is stupid.

I think people in high places, be it a celebrity or a politician, should be able to take jokez. I think this was in poor taste, I don't think he should be fired for it. I thought Imus was in poor taste, didn't think he should be fired for it.

Unless it's a personal threat, I think people should let it go.

I agree...you are in that high of a position you can take a joke.

I personally think if anything, Hannity is running a carnie show to get us all talking about him. Pay him no mind and the issue will die.

[foodcourtdruide]

Dont pursue it as fact?! Tell that to Imus and JV and Elvis. When you upset the left they fucking want you censored right away. Attack on right...fine by everyone. "They can get on. They are white." Fuck that bullshit HYPOCRISY!!

Yeah, it's hard to watch FOX News with all the bleeps and "censored bars".

[Doogie]

Yeah, it's hard to watch FOX News with all the bleeps and "censored bars".

Now you are being a douche.

[pennington]

Also, is your screenname from the Daily News article about Fez Whatly & Ron Pennington?

Yes. When I first joined this board a lot of people were using names that related to the show. This was at the time when the Daily News and the New York Post both referred to Ron Pennington (Ron mentioned it on the air too).

[foodcourtdruide]

Now you are being a douche.

But you're making broad statements that aren't necessarily true. If you ask the liberals on this board if Imus or JV and Elvis should have been fired they'd mostly say no. You make it seem like the left has the ability to control the media, when in reality that is far from the truth, especially considering the existance of FOX News and the popularity of conservative radio.

If Rush Limbaugh was a liberal talk show host he would have been fired for his comments already. So what? What's that mean? Does that mean that conservatives have an easy time in this country? Or that Rush is just powerful? Do you see how you're comparing apples and oranges?

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as a douche.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes. When I first joined this board a lot of people were using names that related to the show. This was at the time when the Daily News and the New York Post both referred to Ron Pennington (Ron mentioned it on the air too).

ha, awesome.

[pennington]

I guess Obama should get on the today show and ask Sarah to apologize for all the things she said at her rally's...i mean after all what's ok for her to do is ok for him in the case of getting the truth out there.

Later in the Letterman show where he "apologized" Kathy Griffith was the guest and she went into a rant about the Palins calling them stupid and I don't remember the rest. Nothing happened, nobody is talking about it.

Politics is politics, Obama and Palin are adults. Leave the kids alone.

(As an aside, does anyone find Kathy Griffith funny? Do you have to be gay to "get" it?)

[foodcourtdruide]

Later in the Letterman show where he "apologized" Kathy Griffith was the guest and she went into a rant about the Palins calling them stupid and I don't remember the rest. Nothing happened, nobody is talking about it.

Politics is politics, Obama and Palin are adults. Leave the kids alone.

(As an aside, does anyone find Kathy Griffith funny? Do you have to be gay to "get" it?)

Can't stand Kathy Griffith. My wife and I love some of the Bravo shows, like Project Runway and Top Chef and there are always commercials featuring Kathy Griffith and we just don't get it.

[pennington]

ha, awesome.

It's been a lucky board name for me too. In almost 7 years I haven't been gay enough to warrant a mod quote.

[CurseoftheBambi]

I think Bristol can be brought up for a political point since she's putting herself out there...the other daughter no.

Cause I think anyone who will say to anyone Abstinence works but has a kid ...needs to shut up...now...if you're gonna talk about the consequences of not abstain fine...but again she's not the spokesperson for that since her lifestyle isn’t what the average teen with a kid goes thru at all.

[Freitag]

I have to be honest here.

If you're making a joke about Palin's daughter getting knocked up without using names, you will immediately think Bristol, not Willow. It doesn't matter that Willow was the one actually at the game, Bristol is the one who got pregnant, Bristol is the one who's been in the media spotlight as of late.

I think the Palins are trying to generate as much heat as possible and this can have major blowback, IMHO.

To use the "r" word and call letterman a threat is pathetic.

[foodcourtdruide]

Palins rhetoric and political stunts always seems to move more people away from her than pull them towards her.

[TheMojoPin]

Really?

http://patterico.com/wp/wp-content/images/fake-sarah-palin-bikini-photo.jpg

So I take it you missed the "fake-sarah-palin-bikini-photo.jpg" part of that photo.

The funniest thing about this whole thing is that the Palins claim to be so offended by a guy making a joke about a 14-year-old having sex with an old man...yet they cap the whole thing off by intentionally making a joke about an old man sexually assaulting their 14-year-old daughter.

Sarah Palin responded Thursday morning to Dave's invitation to appear on his show in a statement to Foxnews.com: ""The Palins have no intention of providing a rating's boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show," the statement read. "Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

Gotta love 'em.

[TheMojoPin]

It is very clear that if Letterman had made his jokes about Obama's daughter or wife, he would be off CBS now. Period. Does anyone remember a passing comment Mr. Imus made?

Why would anyone make the same comment about Obama's daughters?

[CurseoftheBambi]

I sincerely DOUBT CBS would fire Dave if he said anything about Michelle. Why just look at all those people being fired left and right for talking about Michelle's arms. And its Dave...who's gonna fire him unless he really really fucked upl

[TheMojoPin]

I sincerely DOUBT CBS would fire Dave if he said anything about Michelle. Why just look at all those people being fired left and right for talking about Michelle's arms. And its Dave...who's gonna fire him unless he really really fucked upl

I highly doubt anyone would be fired for making a joke about Obama's daughters having a child out of wedlock as a teenager if one of them ACTUALLY has a child out of wedlock as a teenager. That's what happened with the Palins. These things didn't just occur in a vaccum. They weren't attacked out of nowhere; the jokes are commentary on national news items.

[CurseoftheBambi]

I agree and its worth the joking about considering their stand on "abstience" being the only way to go. Hell Mom(Sarah) didnt do abstience either.

[keithy_19]

Doesn't she have a State to Govern? Long trip from Alaska to NY just to go on the Today show.

Charity.

[Gvac]

Sean just IM'd me and said you're all awful Americans.

[Denise Dean]

I like Sean, but do not always agree with his points. I think he is right in this case, however.

[keithy_19]

Hannity is a good guy. I don't always agree with him. I go back and forth with this issue. I mean, I'm all for free speech but it was a low end joke to appease a more left audience.

[Zorro]

I highly doubt anyone would be fired for making a joke about Obama's daughters having a child out of wedlock as a teenager if one of them ACTUALLY has a child out of wedlock as a teenager. That's what happened with the Palins. These things didn't just occur in a vaccum. They weren't attacked out of nowhere; the jokes are commentary on national news items.

So, the kid fucked up and therefore its ok to trash her on national TV? Since when did kids become responsible for the behavior of their parents. Mom's the politician not the daughters. Beyond that rape jokes are never funny.

...and when did "slutty stewardess" become acceptable. Some women's just trying to make a living and now every asshole will think its ok to play ass grab as they walk down the aisle.

[SatCam]

...and when did "slutty stewardess" become acceptable. Some women's just trying to make a living and now every asshole will think its ok to play ass grab as they walk down the aisle.

You're right, the term is completely redundant

[CurseoftheBambi]

...and when did "slutty stewardess" become acceptable. Some women's just trying to make a living and now every asshole will think its ok to play ass grab as they walk down the aisle.

SHould we retire M.I.L.F. too because you know that means Mother's I Like (to) FuCk and Sarah was called that.

[brettmojo]

Politicans' children should be off limits. Once they enter the public arena, they're fair game. Like Ted Kennedy's son who just entered rehab; he's a congressman from RI and show be open to the scrutiny.

Bristol has become a spokesperson for abstinence for teens after appearing on Fox News and saying that abstinence wasn't realistic at all. GAME ON!

So, the kid fucked up and therefore its ok to trash her on national TV? Since when did kids become responsible for the behavior of their parents. Mom's the politician not the daughters. Beyond that rape jokes are never funny.


Again... She's put HERSELF out there now. She's put HERSELF out in the public eye. So whatever comes her way she's in essence asked for it.

[underdog]

Beyond that rape jokes are never funny.

Fez would beg to differ.

[brettmojo]

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/the-tamest-rape-joke-matt-melvin-has-ever-seen.png

[jetdog]

this is so pathetic. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526055,00.html)

[HBox]

In a perfect world politicians kids would be off limits. But they aren't, haven't been and won't be in the future. John McCain made an extremely ugly joke about Chelsea Clinton when Bill was president. He got through it wll enough to run for president twice. So whatever you feel don't let yourself think that this is some left wing media conspiracy.

As for Obama blaming everything on Bush: what should he do? He had to deal with massive problems that day he stepped into office forcing him to step out on a huge limb no matter what he did. If he took a more hands off conservative approach there would be outraged that he wasn't doing enough. He's in an extremely tough spot and no matter who caused this problem he will pay if he doesn't solve it. So of course he is going to defray as much as he can by blaming Bush. There's a time when he can't do that anymore but considering the state of the economy when he entered office that hasn't come yet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Charity.

She was there for ONE FUCKING EVENT on a Saturday night.

[brettmojo]

She was there for ONE FUCKING EVENT on a Saturday night.
It's alright. The Alaskan tax payers footed the bill. Those Eskimo fucks has tons of whale blubber money.

[TheMojoPin]

So, the kid fucked up and therefore its ok to trash her on national TV? Since when did kids become responsible for the behavior of their parents.

In a perfect world people have the decency to leave kids out of stuff like this. Of course, in that same world the person running from VP would not thrust her daughter into the national spotlight by willfully making her the face of teen abstinence and then crying foul when that blows up in her face and the kid ends up pregnant out of wedlock. Her daughter was made a national issue by her mother and then you expect everyone to just ignore it when the exact thing her daughter is supposed to be a symbol againt ends up happening to her?

It's silly to play the morality card when we clearly have lived in a society for decades now where everyone wants to think "nothing is off limits" when it comes to news coverage and comedy and commentary.

Mom's the politician not the daughters. Beyond that rape jokes are never funny.

The only one who made anything close to a "rape joke" were the Palins themselves in their pithy reply to Letterman's apology and offer to come on his show. Any high road they were attempting to take was shot to shit the moment they decided it would be hilarious to make a joke about David Letterman sexually assaulting their 14-year-old daughter just after acting all horrified that he tried to make a joke about their 18-year-old banging ARod.

[CurseoftheBambi]

jetdog you're right..that's someone trying to make a name for themselves...they dont care or have any moral outrage if they did they would be trying to go after people calling people a pal of terroists when the charge wasnt even close to true.

[brettmojo]

They're talking about this on the NBC Nightly News right now. They replayed Letterman's joke about the daughter. Palin really looks like a dumb twat right now. Once again she's dragging her daughter out in front of everyone to laugh at.

And she called Obama "The Choosen Candidate". Seriously?

[HBox]

They're talking about this on the NBC Nightly News right now. They replayed Letterman's joke about the daughter. Palin really looks like a dumb twat right now. Once again she's dragging her daughter out in front of everyone to laugh at.

And she called Obama "The Choosen Candidate". Seriously?

Chosen by a clear majority of voters. Sounds about right.

[The Jays]

Obama would love to be the embodiement of "change", but when Fox News and talk radio want to blame him for the economy, for the financial crisis, for record fucking deficits, for the lack of healthcare reform, for waterboarding of detainees, for the Iraq and Afghan wars, he needs to retort on those matters and say, "hey, that shit ain't my fault, but it's the hand I got dealt by the previous guy." So fuck this bullshit about him bringing up the past, he wants to move us on, but when douchebags keep blaming him for shit that was not his fault, I can't fault him for schooling the douchebags on whose fault it was.

[HBox]

Obama would love to be the embodiement of "change", but when Fox News and talk radio want to blame him for the economy, for the financial crisis, for record fucking deficits, for the lack of healthcare reform, for waterboarding of detainees, for the Iraq and Afghan wars, he needs to retort on those matters and say, "hey, that shit ain't my fault, but it's the hand I got dealt by the previous guy." So fuck this bullshit about him bringing up the past, he wants to move us on, but when douchebags keep blaming him for shit that was not his fault, I can't fault him for schooling the douchebags on whose fault it was.

I unfortunately caught a Neil Cavuto interview of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper today not by my choice. A real journalist would take advantage of this and ask a wide range of questions on a variety of topics as this is not an opportunity one would get very often. A useless hack like Cavuto, on the other hand, spends 75% of the interview trying over and over again to get him to criticize Obama on stimulus and the deficit as Harper repeatedly declines. What kind of fucking moron would ever expect a head of state from one of our tightest allies to criticize our President even if he actually shared Cavuto's view?

[DolaMight]

So, the kid fucked up and therefore its ok to trash her on national TV? Since when did kids become responsible for the behavior of their parents. Mom's the politician not the daughters. Beyond that rape jokes are never funny.

Ron Bennington has made numerous rape jokes that I found hilarious. But then maybe I'm biased as I am my local chapter's president of the Rape Prevention Prevention Organization.

[spoon]

Jokes are just that, jokes. Everyone should shut the fuck up!

[DolaMight]

Jokes are just that, jokes. Everyone should shut the fuck up!

With you it's whatever goes until someone tells a cutlery joke then suddenly they've crossed the line. Whatever man.

[spoon]

With you it's whatever goes until someone tells a cutlery joke then suddenly they've crossed the line. Whatever man.

Watch ur mouth. I love cutlery jokes.

[DolaMight]

Watch ur mouth. I love cutlery jokes.

I forgot you're the self proclaimed worlds biggest Paul Hogan fan.

[The Jays]

So, the kid fucked up and therefore its ok to trash her on national TV? Since when did kids become responsible for the behavior of their parents. Mom's the politician not the daughters. Beyond that rape jokes are never funny.


She didn't fuck up. She got pregnant, since when is getting pregnant fucking up?

And, let's be clear, she's not a kid. She's 18 years old. There's a difference between talking about Obama's 8 and 10 year olds, and making jokes about an 18 year old woman.

[SatCam]

She didn't fuck up. She got pregnant, since when is getting pregnant fucking up?

And, let's be clear, she's not a kid. She's 18 years old. There's a difference between talking about Obama's 8 and 10 year olds, and making jokes about an 18 year old woman.

but if you make fun of both of obama's daughters at the same time, it's like making fun of an 18 yr old

[spoon]

She didn't fuck up. She got pregnant, since when is getting pregnant fucking up?

And, let's be clear, she's not a kid. She's 18 years old. There's a difference between talking about Obama's 8 and 10 year olds, and making jokes about an 18 year old woman.

Right! Ahahahahahahaaaaa!

Getting pregnant out of wedlock at a really young age when your the daughter of the self-proclaimed Family Values and a religious right card holder is anything but fucking up! That's great.

Your second point I totally agree with however.

[The Jays]

but if you make fun of both of obama's daughters at the same time, it's like making fun of an 18 yr old

That's very true. But if it's a rape joke, then Sasha has to be on Malia's shoulders to make it work.

[The Jays]

Right! Ahahahahahahaaaaa!

Getting pregnant out of wedlock at a really young age when your the daughter of the self-proclaimed Family Values and a religious right card holder is anything but fucking up! That's great.

Your second point I totally agree with however.

She got pregnant at 17, not at 12. I',m not going to judge and say a girl fucks up by getting pregnant. If you have consensual sex, you can deal with the consequences.

And they live in Alaska, how else are they supposed to spend their time and keep warm up there?

[spoon]

That's very true. But if it's a rape joke, then Sasha has to be on Malia's shoulders to make it work.

WOW! :blink:

She got pregnant at 17, not at 12. I',m not going to judge and say a girl fucks up by getting pregnant. If you have consensual sex, you can deal with the consequences.

And they live in Alaska, how else are they supposed to spend their time and keep warm up there?

Still Jays, you're saying it's not a fuck up when it CLEARLY is. Saying she's somewhat old enough to deal with the consequences is your opinion too. I say it pretty much fucked up her life and goals for years to come. Just how well suited were you to raise a kid by yourself at 17/18?

[The Jays]

Come on, don't give me the feigned "shock" emoticon.

Look, you have your opinion, you want to denegrate the woman for getting knocked up at 17, go right ahead. I'm not going to hold it against her. I've known too many girls who had kids at a young age to go and judge this politician's daughter on her life decisions. If Letterman wants to make a joke about her getting knocked up by A-rod, I'll laugh because A-rod is a cocksman and because Bristol is old enough to get a jab on her own personal life. But I'm not going to say the girl's a fuck-up because she had a kid at 18 years old. If she was a drugged-out high school drop out with no life direction, maybe I would, but not for merely having a kid. I've known too many who've raised successful families.

[FezsAssistant]

It would be great to hear a comedian talk about what Obama 'looks like' (besides the White House pre-approved: cool, awesome, hip, intelligent, sexy).

It would also be great to hear a comedian talk about how a black president is denying gays their civil rights. How ironic! What fodder for jokes!

It would be great to hear a comedian talk about a black president hatin' on the jews and begging for Iran's forgiveness and saying they should have nukes. Don't forget he was laughing at jew jokes at that one Palestinian dinner (LA Times won't release the video for some reason). Don' forget his 'pastor' hates jews, too.

Of course we'd never hear that. They'd be called 'racist'.

[FezsAssistant]

Instead it's much easier to pick on a woman who believes in god...and to make fun of her kids.
Imagine if someone made fun of Obama's kids.

[brettmojo]

Pregnant in high school...

Pregnant in high school... Then dump the guy that knocked you up after pledging to marry that guy while parading him out in front of the nation during your mother's vice presidential campaign like you're some sort of fucking perfect kooky little white trash couple as soon as you think the media is no longer paying attention...

Pregnant in high school... Dump the guy after pledging to marry him... Go on Fox news and proclaim abstinence isn't a realistic thing for teenagers to practice but then decide to become the leading spokesperson for teenagers to practice abstinence...

Nope. Nothing says fuck up there.

[SonOfSmeagol]

David Letterman hasn't been funny in 20+ years, if even that. Last time I watched him he was wearing sport coats and taking out his middle front tooth to get maybe a chuckle.

People still watch that prick?

Maybe he should move to FNC to get an audience.

[HBox]

Instead it's much easier to pick on a woman who believes in god...and to make fun of her kids.
Imagine if someone made fun of Obama's kids.

Like I said before: John McCain, a sitting senator, made a joke about how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. Not only did the media not hang him for it, most major newspapers didn't even report it.

[spoon]

Like I said before: John McCain, a sitting senator, made a joke about how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. Not only did the media not hang him for it, most major newspapers didn't even report it.

She is one ugly one though. For once McCain was right so you have to give him that at least.

[brettmojo]

Instead it's much easier to pick on a woman who believes in god...and to make fun of her kids.
Judging by her kids apparently she believes in a god with a great sense of humor.

[HBox]

She is one ugly one though. For once McCain was right so you have to give him that at least.

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........

[The Jays]

Pregnant in high school...

Pregnant in high school... Then dump the guy that knocked you up after pledging to marry that guy while parading him out in front of the nation during your mother's vice presidential campaign like you're some sort of fucking perfect kooky little white trash couple as soon as you think the media is no longer paying attention...

Pregnant in high school... Dump the guy after pledging to marry him... Go on Fox news and proclaim abstinence isn't a realistic thing for teenagers to practice but then decide to become the leading spokesperson for teenagers to practice abstinence...

Nope. Nothing says fuck up there.

If you want to judge other people's lives for them and call them a fuck up, be my guest.

[brettmojo]

If you want to judge other people's lives for them and call them a fuck up, be my guest.
Oh no. I was serious... People who sleep around and get pregnant in high school show a real sense of good judgment.

[spoon]

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........

Experienced Moose Hunter?

http://worldofwonder.net/2009/03/11/c95ea728.jpg

[HBox]

Experienced Moose Hunter?

http://worldofwonder.net/2009/03/11/c95ea728.jpg

Sure. Why not?

[spoon]

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........

Down with the Captain?

http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/bristol-palin-pic.jpg

[spoon]

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........

A fuck up!?

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bristol_palin.jpg

[brettmojo]

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........
Loves the Irish?

http://www.jackbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/bristol-palin-drinking-alcohol-pictures.jpg

[spoon]

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........

Into mother, daughter, grandson action?!

http://www.damnimcute.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bristol_palin_gives_birth_to_a_son.jpg

[brettmojo]

Of course. But Bristol is also a, well...........
Is into wannabe gangsta' wiggas?

http://images.hollywoodgrind.com:9000/images/2008/9/bristol-palin-underage-drinking-6.jpg

[underdog]

Down with the Captain?

http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/bristol-palin-pic.jpg

They are after my heart.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Batshit crazy...so now Obama is writing for David Letterman but oooooooooooooooooo Fox news isnt responsible for stirring up the hate into a frothy mixture that causes people to shoot at holcaust museums and bomb abortion clinics...yeah ok...i got that!

Yeah, sure, this is FNC’s fault?

“Erik von Brunn said his father's hatred for racial minorities and Jews destroyed his family, and resulted in the divorce between him and Erik's mother.”

"My father's beliefs have been a constant source of verbal and mental abuse my family has had to suffer with for many years,"

"His views consumed him, and in doing so, not only destroyed his life, but destroyed our family and ruined our lives as well.”

"Now, it is not only my families lives that are in shambles, but those who were directly affected by his actions; especially the family of Mr Johns, who bravely sacrificed his life to stop my father."

The statement that indicates that FNC is somehow responsible for this is, in a word, ridiculous. James von Brunn was responsible for this, and no other.

[The Jays]

They certainly don't help when they have experts like Ann Coulter on, who is on record saying that Jews need to be perfected.

[beachbum]

To sum up;Bristol is 18
She is a teen mother
She has put herself into the public eye by seeking the spotlight AFTER the election
She is therefore fair game

I for one never assumed he was talking about the younger daughter.


Anyone calling for anyone else's firing over innocent jokes or comments is ludicris.Maybe the left should realise this and stop their bullshit.It seems the right has now figured out that maybe the same approach will work for them.

The only difference here is the ammount of revenue generated.JV and Elvis were a local radio show.Letterman,Hannity,and the big boys will not be forced off the air over mildly offensive comments/jokes like these.

[The Jays]

The responsible thing to have done would be for Palin to respond to the comments with "Hey, I have a state to run. I don't have time to think about jokes that some New York late night hack made," and be done with it.

Instead, she has made this her #1 issue. And we were going to make her vice president because of executive experience?

[styckx]

I can't believe anyone is giving this any attention. (network wise)

We have a insane deficit in this country, still in a recession, our economy is still completely unstable, wars going on, North Korea is blastin nukes, etc etc etc etc etc and we're giving a Palin and David Letterman attention over a joke?

Doomed, motherfuckin doomed we are as a society.

[sailor]

To sum up;Bristol is 18
She is a teen mother
She has put herself into the public eye by seeking the spotlight AFTER the election
She is therefore fair game

I for one never assumed he was talking about the younger daughter.


Anyone calling for anyone else's firing over innocent jokes or comments is ludicris.Maybe the left should realise this and stop their bullshit.It seems the right has now figured out that maybe the same approach will work for them.

The only difference here is the ammount of revenue generated.JV and Elvis were a local radio show.Letterman,Hannity,and the big boys will not be forced off the air over mildly offensive comments/jokes like these.

i just wish he'd mind his own business.

http://www.greene.k12.ia.us/wpdevelopment/Amanda%20Web/Amanda--Ludacris/ludacris9.jpg

[The Jays]

I can't believe anyone is giving this any attention. (network wise)

We have a insane deficit in this country, still in a recession, our economy is still completely unstable, wars going on, North Korea is blastin nukes, etc etc etc etc etc and we're giving a Palin and David Letterman attention over a joke?

Doomed, motherfuckin doomed we are as a society.

This is the crux of the whole problem between left and right.

The left is in power, and is trying to get some big problems solves, we're in the middle of two wars and a big recession, and all the right can do is bitch about how horrible the left is, throw partisan bullshit just because they are out of power, and shit like this, a governor complaining about a fucking joke on Letterman? And they wonder why they lose elections?

[K.C.]

Look, this is pretty simple.

He used ANTHONY CUMIA as a "knowledgeable" panel person on one of his shows.

There is is.

Lock this up.

[nocountryjon1]

ants pretty smart. i agree with alot of what he says except the whole racist thing but other than that his political views are pretty dead on.

[nocountryjon1]

To sum up;Bristol is 18
She is a teen mother
She has put herself into the public eye by seeking the spotlight AFTER the election
She is therefore fair game

I for one never assumed he was talking about the younger daughter.


Anyone calling for anyone else's firing over innocent jokes or comments is ludicris.Maybe the left should realise this and stop their bullshit.It seems the right has now figured out that maybe the same approach will work for them.

The only difference here is the ammount of revenue generated.JV and Elvis were a local radio show.Letterman,Hannity,and the big boys will not be forced off the air over mildly offensive comments/jokes like these.


booyah!!!!!!!!

[SP1!]

I hate that right pundits and politicians have decided that the best way to deal with the whole PC movement of the 1990's was to be just as whiney and unhumorous..

Jesus christ, they were jokes by Letterman, who has made fun of both left and right politicians. Grow a pair and ignore the jokes.

And Governor Palin, you do have a "slutty fight attendant look."

Well if it was someone on the left they would have had a "sexy flight attendant look", I think its a total over reaction by sean but they wouldnt have slammed her kids so hard if she was on the left. It is a double standard although I think palin has plenty of reasons to be made fun of since she did such a shitty job raising her kids.

[styckx]

Look, this is pretty simple.

He used ANTHONY CUMIA as a "knowledgeable" panel person on one of his shows.

There is is.

Lock this up.

Sadly most all these shows randomly bring someone on that used to be a comedian, actor, artist, blah blah blah and let them mouth off and present them as a credible voice of reason. Or they bring someone on who is the president of such and such organization against such and such and do the same. I mean christ, they put HappyTypingGirl on CNN before to debate Al Sharpton. Close it up. All these shows suck. Keith Obberman should go back to shouting catch phrases while watching sports clips. I'd much rather hear people parrot that instead of his political views.

I honestly wouldn't mind these shows if they weren't slanted towards a certain demographic. Get a neutral guy who is just a good interviewer and moderator and let these people actually discuss things in a civil way instead of a Circus ring leader barely controlling 4 people in studio and two people via satellite yelling at each other for 30 minutes at a time.

[EliSnow]

Well if it was someone on the left they would have had a "sexy flight attendant look", I think its a total over reaction by sean but they wouldnt have slammed her kids so hard if she was on the left. It is a double standard although I think palin has plenty of reasons to be made fun of since she did such a shitty job raising her kids.

Bullshit. Letterman skewers people on the both sides. He would have said slutty regardless if she was democrat or right.

And they made fun of Bristol, one kid, not plural kids.

[beachbum]

Get a neutral guy who is just a good interviewer and moderator and let these people actually discuss things in a civil way instead of a Circus ring leader barely controlling 4 people in studio and two people via satellite yelling at each other for 30 minutes at a time.


AC360.It actually seems to be the most FAIR AND BALANCED show on cable news.He has a reporter do a story and then he has a bi-partisan panel comment on them.He simply acts as a moderator.There is very little screaming.

[Earlshog]

Really?

http://patterico.com/wp/wp-content/images/fake-sarah-palin-bikini-photo.jpg

all this pic is missing is a trailer in the backround....

[badmonkey]

This is the crux of the whole problem between left and right.

The right is in power, and is trying to get some big problems solves, we're in the middle of two wars and all the left can do is bitch about how horrible the right is, throw partisan bullshit just because they are out of power.
That sounds so damn familiar. Wonder if any of that happened between 2000 and 2009. Hmmm.....

Why would anyone make the same comment about Obama's daughters?

I think the word I'm looking for is ... "strawman".

[TheMojoPin]

I think the word I'm looking for is ... "strawman".

I'm not the one who brought that issue up, nor did I misrepresent the point brought up: I challenged it by asking for clarification. People said hypothetically that if "the same thing" was said about Obama's daughters people would be fired for it. I wanted to know how it would be "the same thing" since Obama's daughters are both much younger, aren't the faces of teenage abstinence and haven't actually had babies as teens and out of wedlock.

But sure, besides those minor, inconsequential details, it would be the exact same thing, so the hypothetical was totally sound, right?

[The Jays]

Wow, you switch the words out for another and think you're proving a point.

The right fucked up the country, got us into the two wars, spent our way out of a budget surplus and into a deficit, even tried to get us out of a recession on their way in and ended up fucking us over with an even bigger one on the way out. I was all for Bush and Company when they had a clean slate, but when it became painfully obvious that they were fucking up our country, after Iraq proved to be based on lies and Hurricane Katrina put our weakened nation on full display, I stepped off the Republican train and waited for a new one to leave the station. The critics ended up being right, unfortunately.

[badmonkey]

I'm not the one who brought that issue up, nor did I misrepresent the point brought up: I challenged it by asking for clarification. People said hypothetically that if "the same thing" was said about Obama's daughters people would be fired for it. I wanted to know how it would be "the same thing" since Obama's daughters are both much younger, aren't the faces of teenage abstinence and haven't actually had babies as teens and out of wedlock.

But sure, besides those minor, inconsequential details, it would be the exact same thing, so the hypothetical was totally sound, right?

It is ok to engage in a discussion and use similar hypothetical situations to underline a point.

sim⋅i⋅lar
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–adjective
1. having a likeness or resemblance, esp. in a general way: two similar houses.

The question is not "why would somebody say that". The question is if somebody said it, what would be the response? Why they would say it is completely irrelevant to the conversation. The answer that you ducked is simple. It would not be tolerated had it been said about Obama's daughters. The girl that the comment was made about was not the adult daughter, it was the 14yr old daughter who has not "put herself out there". It's disgusting how people are foaming at the mouth that Palin's older daughter "is fair game", "GAME ON!", "she's in essence asked for it.", and she "should be able to handle her daughter being accused of being a whore".

It's amazing to see such venom from the left towards a young girl that hasn't done anything but represent an opinion that you disagree with and it this case it wasn't even her, it was her 14yr old sister. She hasn't done anything to any of you and you're all acting like this is "revenge" and she deserves it for something her mother said while campaigning for Vice President or because you disagree with her or her mother politically. You want your opinions tolerated on the issues that are important to you. It's a two way street. People do not have to agree with you. Your opinions are not the only valid opinions on any given subject. People that disagree with you are not fear-mongering.

I disagree with President Obama's politics and some of the things he wants to do, but I don't dislike him personally. Some of you seem to hate these people on a personal level because of their politics alone. It's as if you think they should be punished for their beliefs.

[beachbum]

Hello kettle,you're black.

[The Jays]

Oh jesus, are we still talking about this fucking joke?

Hannity's a nut, Palin should be running her state and stop flying to be on The Today Show, and A-rod should be fucking chicks other than Kate Hudson but are not 14 year old daughters of failed VP candidates.

Close thread.

[EliSnow]

It's amazing to see such venom from the left towards a young girl that hasn't done anything but represent an opinion that you disagree with and it this case it wasn't even her, it was her 14yr old sister. She hasn't done anything to any of you and you're all acting like this is "revenge" and she deserves it for something her mother said while campaigning for Vice President or because you disagree with her or her mother politically. You want your opinions tolerated on the issues that are important to you. It's a two way street. People do not have to agree with you. Your opinions are not the only valid opinions on any given subject. People that disagree with you are not fear-mongering.


First, I think people disagree that the joke was at the 14 year old. Yes, she was the one at the game, but the joke would have made sense about Bristol even if none of the Palins visited the game but instead just visited New York. Alex Rodriguez is one of the top NYC athletes, and it didn't have to be tied to the game. So I believe Letterman when he said the joke was about Bristol.

Second, I think you're reading way too much into people opinion about making fun of Bristol. I don't think anyone is saying she deserves it and this is revenge.

The argument is that Bristol put herself out there. She and her family made her a public figure beyond just being Sarah Palin's daughter. And when you put yourself out into the public, you have to take the good and the bad.

[The Jays]

Yeah, I mean, when I heard the joke, it only made me think of Bristol, the one who actually got knocked up. When I hear Palin and the rest bitching about the joke, they seem to twist the joke and make it much worse by claiming that Letterman was referring to the 14 year old, a cheap way of getting sympathy on her side. It's fucking stupid because instead of letting a fucking joke roll off her back like water on a duck, she just has to take the opportunity to mug for the camera some more. Don't governors have states to run? Is her idea of limited government the same as Bush's, to be in the executive office as little as possible?

[badmonkey]

First, I think people disagree that the joke was at the 14 year old. Yes, she was the one at the game, but the joke would have made sense about Bristol even if none of the Palins visited the game but instead just visited New York. Alex Rodriguez is one of the top NYC athletes, and it didn't have to be tied to the game. So I believe Letterman when he said the joke was about Bristol.

Second, I think you're reading way too much into people opinion about making fun of Bristol. I don't think anyone is saying she deserves it and this is revenge.

The argument is that Bristol put herself out there. She and her family made her a public figure beyond just being Sarah Palin's daughter. And when you put yourself out into the public, you have to take the good and the bad.

It's disgusting how people are foaming at the mouth that Palin's older daughter "is fair game", "GAME ON!", "she's in essence asked for it.", and she "should be able to handle her daughter being accused of being a whore".

The quotes from that statement are direct quotes from this thread. You don't think that "GAME ON!" displays some excitement about the opportunity to stick it to this kid? I guess I just don't understand.

[The Jays]

If you're going to respond to the posts of pennington, CurseoftheBambi, and brettmojo, do with with the quote button. Don't group everyone together and then pontificate that it's "disgusting how people are foaming at the mouth." Address them directly.

[EliSnow]

It's disgusting how people are foaming at the mouth that Palin's older daughter "is fair game", "GAME ON!", "she's in essence asked for it.", and she "should be able to handle her daughter being accused of being a whore".

The quotes from that statement are direct quotes from this thread. You don't think that "GAME ON!" displays some excitement about the opportunity to stick it to this kid? I guess I just don't understand.

I think you have to understand we're talking about a message board for a comedy radio show. Comments often will be over the top, but even with those comments, the general thrusts of the posts have been that people should be able to comment or even joke about Bristol and her life when she put herself out there for her purposes (being part of a movement against teen pregnancy).

[brettmojo]

Yeah I'm sorry. It's not like Bristol Palin is out hobnobbing with terrorists or anything. I guess I should lay off.

[The Jays]

Bristol's also not leading us down the path to socialism, nor is she ordering mustard on her hamburger, so we should pay her no mind until those things happen.

[TheMojoPin]

It is ok to engage in a discussion and use similar hypothetical situations to underline a point.

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The question is not "why would somebody say that". The question is if somebody said it, what would be the response? Why they would say it is completely irrelevant to the conversation. The answer that you ducked is simple. It would not be tolerated had it been said about Obama's daughters.

Wait, what did I "duck?" Someone said "it would be the same" and I asked for clarification as to how it would be the same. It's not. The context of a public figure out of nowhere making cracks about Obama's daughters having kids isn't remotely close to what went on with the Palins so it's not similar at all. The only thing that's similar is that it involves politicians on the national stage who have daughters.

My point is that the "it would be the same" hypothetical is flawed and was tossed out there in an attempt to make it seem like the Palins are are unfairly receiving more criticism, commentary and humor made at their expense. Trying to prove that by hypothetically comparing them to the Obamas implies that both families have behaved and presented themselves and experienced at least an approximation of the same things and that people are choosing to mock one family over the other. That's obviously not the case. People make jokes about Palin's daugter having a baby out of wedlock because she actually had a baby out of wedlock AND her mom propped her up as the face of teenage abstinence. How has anything even just a little bit similar occured with the Obamas? Hence my challenge to the flawed hypothetical asking why anyone would be making jokes about Obama's daughters getting knocked up.

[disneyspy]

The quotes from that statement are direct quotes from this thread. You don't think that "GAME ON!" displays some excitement about the opportunity to stick it to this kid? I guess I just don't understand.

she got in this mess cuz someone stuck it too her,bad monkey,bad

[badmonkey]

If you're going to respond to the posts of pennington, CurseoftheBambi, and brettmojo, do with with the quote button. Don't group everyone together and then pontificate that it's "disgusting how people are foaming at the mouth." Address them directly.

I didn't think it was necessary to call individual people out and attack them personally in order to address the point.

I think you have to understand we're talking about a message board for a comedy radio show. Comments often will be over the top, but even with those comments, the general thrusts of the posts have been that people should be able to comment or even joke about Bristol and her life when she put herself out there for her purposes (being part of a movement against teen pregnancy).

I'm talking about the anger and hate that seems to be prevalent on this board lately against conservatives and their opinions. It's way more than disagreement. This thread is just one example, but there's plenty of other examples. It makes it very difficult to participate in discussions here sometimes.

Wait, what did I "duck?" Someone said "it would be the same" and I asked for clarification as to how it would be the same. It's not. The context of a public figure out of nowhere making cracks about Obama's daughters having kids isn't remotely close to what went on with the Palins so it's not similar at all. The only thing that's similar is that it involves politicians on the national stage who have daughters.

My point is that the "it would be the same" hypothetical is flawed and was tossed out there in an attempt to make it seem like the Palins are are unfairly receiving more criticism, commentary and humor made at their expense. Trying to prove that by hypothetically comparing them to the Obamas implies that both families have behaved and presented themselves and experienced at least an approximation of the same things and that people are choosing to mock one family over the other. That's obviously not the case. People make jokes about Palin's daugter having a baby out of wedlock because she actually had a baby out of wedlock AND her mom propped her up as the face of teenage abstinence. How has anything even just a little bit similar occured with the Obamas? Hence my challenge to the flawed hypothetical asking why anyone would be making jokes about Obama's daughters getting knocked up.

You constantly overanalyze things like this when it's unnecessary. If it's the exact same situation, then we're not talking about something similar, we're talking about the exact same situation. If it's easier for you, then let's just say that if Palin was a liberal democrat, it wouldn't be tolerated and then we can leave Obama out of it entirely. Maybe that will be easier for you to address. I'm sure you'll find something wrong with that too.

she got in this mess cuz someone stuck it too her,bad monkey,bad
I saw that coming as I hit submit. Set'em up. Knock'em down.

[EliSnow]

You constantly overanalyze things like this when it's unnecessary. If it's the exact same situation, then we're not talking about something similar, we're talking about the exact same situation. If it's easier for you, then let's just say that if Palin was a liberal democrat, it wouldn't be tolerated and then we can leave Obama out of it entirely. Maybe that will be easier for you to address. I'm sure you'll find something wrong with that too.

It's not the exact same situation and Mojo explained why. And it wasn't an "overanaylzation" because it explained why you are talking about two different situations.

As for your correct, it's pretty obvious what's wrong. It's an unsubstantiated opinion, that arguably is contradicted by evidence in the past, such as when people made fun of Chelsea Clinton.

[TheMojoPin]

You constantly overanalyze things like this when it's unnecessary. If it's the exact same situation, then we're not talking about something similar, we're talking about the exact same situation. If it's easier for you, then let's just say that if Palin was a liberal democrat, it wouldn't be tolerated and then we can leave Obama out of it entirely. Maybe that will be easier for you to address. I'm sure you'll find something wrong with that too.

It's not a matter of it being "exactly the same." As it stands it's not even close to being the same situation, so even to attempt to say they're even in the same ballpark is a false point. Your "easier" point is just as much a faulty argument since you drop that as if Palin could just be flipped to being a Democrat and everything else would be the same. Well, no, obviously not...her policies and rhetoric would be completely different, she wouldn't have been riding the whole family values thing like her life depended on it and she wouldn't have made her daughter the face of teen abstinence. Hell, her daughter might not have had the kid in the first place since there's a good chance her sex education would have been at least something more than "DON'T HAVE SEX." In short, these hypotheticals don't work because they're too broad: they've been used as if they're airtight points to disprove something when actually they crumble even under just the smallest bit of critical thinking. A "liberal" Palin wouldn't be in this mess in the first place because she wouldn't have propped her or her family up via the family values platform so explicitly as she has in reality.

[The Jays]

I didn't think it was necessary to call individual people out and attack them personally in order to address the point.


You're not attacking them personally. When I quote and address something you say, that's not attacking you personally. It's responding to what was said.

You took three quotes from posters in this thread, put them in the same sentence, without quoting who said it, in order to imply that everyone is trying to "stick it to this kid". You do a disservice by saying that everyone is represented by the words of pennington, brettmojo, and CurseofTheBambi, who, btw, don't seem to be seeking revenge for anything, they just want to get over this absurdity of some governor overreacting to a joke on Letterman.

[brettmojo]

You took three quotes from posters in this thread, put them in the same sentence, without quoting who said it, in order to imply that everyone is trying to "stick it to this kid".
Not touching that one.

[badmonkey]

It's not a matter of it being "exactly the same." As it stands it's not even close to being the same situation, so even to attempt to say they're even in the same ballpark is a false point. Your "easier" point is just as much a faulty argument since you drop that as if Palin could just be flipped to being a Democrat and everything else would be the same. Well, no, obviously not...her policies and rhetoric would be completely different, she wouldn't have been riding the whole family values thing like her life depended on it and she wouldn't have made her daughter the face of teen abstinence. Hell, her daughter might not have had the kid in the first place since there's a good chance her sex education would have been at least something more than "DON'T HAVE SEX." In short, these hypotheticals don't work because they're too broad: they've been used as if they're airtight points to disprove something when actually they crumble even under just the smallest bit of critical thinking. A "liberal" Palin wouldn't be in this mess in the first place because she wouldn't have propped her or her family up via the family values platform so explicitly as she has in reality.

Unreal. Hypotheticals are supposed to be relatively simple. I shouldn't have to write an entire backstory on how we're going back in time and Palin is in college and has experiences that cause her to grow up to be a liberal democrat instead of a conservative republican and thus has only ever made extremely liberal policy statements and is actually more famous for her amazing wit when it comes to trashing Bush and other republicans. I shouldn't have to say explain that in this backstory her daughters are both now following in her mother's footsteps as one of the leading proponents of Planned Parenthood and has actually not just written but starred in the sex education films that show not just how to put on a condom but demostrate how to pull out without spilling. All of that crap shouldn't be required for you to understand a simple hypothetical and comment on it.

If you don't want to discuss it, then just say "strawman" like usual and walk away.

[badmonkey]

You're not attacking them personally. When I quote and address something you say, that's not attacking you personally. It's responding to what was said.

You took three quotes from posters in this thread, put them in the same sentence, without quoting who said it, in order to imply that everyone is trying to "stick it to this kid". You do a disservice by saying that everyone is represented by the words of pennington, brettmojo, and CurseofTheBambi, who, btw, don't seem to be seeking revenge for anything, they just want to get over this absurdity of some governor overreacting to a joke on Letterman.

Reread what i wrote. I was very careful in my wording not to imply that "everyone" said or believed anything.

[The Jays]

Reread what i wrote. I was very careful in my wording not to imply that "everyone" said or believed anything.

I apologize. Instead of "everyone", you used the innocuous "people."

It's disgusting how people are foaming at the mouth that Palin's older daughter "is fair game", "GAME ON!", "she's in essence asked for it.", and she "should be able to handle her daughter being accused of being a whore".

When you use "people", and then use quotes without sources, except by saying

The quotes from that statement are direct quotes from this thread.

it implies that everyone on the opposite side of this issue, those that think this joke is bullshit, is disgusting, thus, you're apparently disgusted with everyone that's not on your side of this particular issue. Now, just before, you said,

I'm talking about the anger and hate that seems to be prevalent on this board lately against conservatives and their opinions.

It would seem there's just as much hate towards the other side.

Oh, I seem to recall Knowledged_one calling someone a "socialist little faggot" in the Obama-Worst President Ever thread.

[TheMojoPin]

Unreal. Hypotheticals are supposed to be relatively simple. I shouldn't have to write an entire backstory on how we're going back in time and Palin is in college and has experiences that cause her to grow up to be a liberal democrat instead of a conservative republican and thus has only ever made extremely liberal policy statements and is actually more famous for her amazing wit when it comes to trashing Bush and other republicans. I shouldn't have to say explain that in this backstory her daughters are both now following in her mother's footsteps as one of the leading proponents of Planned Parenthood and has actually not just written but starred in the sex education films that show not just how to put on a condom but demostrate how to pull out without spilling. All of that crap shouldn't be required for you to understand a simple hypothetical and comment on it.

If you don't want to discuss it, then just say "strawman" like usual and walk away.

Wait, wait, wait...so according to you I'm the one who doesn't want to discuss things, but you say that after saying that people should able to make points without being debated or questioned just because they're hypotheticals?

I challenged the hypotheticals because they were used poorly and actually don't apply if you hold them up to even a minutia of scruitiny. I hardly spent any time breaking them down, so don't act like I did or expect people to go to the great lengths you're so melodramatically talking about. I understand the hypotheticals just fine, hence I was able to so easily dismantle them. If you can refute or challenge the points I raised, feel free, but quite honestly I don't expect you to do more except continuing to pull a SonOfSmeagol and argue how I'm discussing this as opposed to what I'm bringing up.

[foodcourtdruide]

Wait, wait, wait...so according to you I'm the one who doesn't want to discuss things, but you say that after saying that people should able to make points without being debated or questioned just because they're hypotheticals?

I challenged the hypotheticals because they were used poorly and actually don't apply if you hold them up to even a minutia of scruitiny. I hardly spent any time breaking them down, so don't act like I did or expect people to go to the great lengths you're so melodramatically talking about. I understand the hypotheticals just fine, hence I was able to so easily dismantle them. If you can refute or challenge the points I raised, feel free, but quite honestly I don't expect you to do more except continuing to pull a SonOfSmeagol and argue how I'm discussing this as opposed to what I'm bringing up.

I think the point of this hypothetical is to mask the statement: "The media picks on Palin because she is a conservative, but goes easy on Obama because he is a liberal."

[TheMojoPin]

I think the point of this hypothetical is to mask the statement: "The media picks on Palin because she is a conservative, but goes easy on Obama because he is a liberal."

Oh, I definitely got that. That was the whole goal: to dismiss the whole thing as an example of the boogeyman of "bias."

[foodcourtdruide]

Oh, I definitely got that. That was the whole goal: to dismiss the whole thing as an example of the boogeyman of "bias."

I agree with you. I think the hypothetical is absurd.

[EliSnow]

I agree with you. I think the hypothetical is absurd.

You're overanalyzing when it's unnecessary.

[foodcourtdruide]

You're overanalyzing when it's unnecessary.

I know, why would anyone ever evaluate a point someone else is trying to make? :P

[badmonkey]

I apologize. Instead of "everyone", you used the innocuous "people."

When you use "people", and then use quotes without sources, except by saying

it implies that everyone on the opposite side of this issue, those that think this joke is bullshit, is disgusting, thus, you're apparently disgusted with everyone that's not on your side of this particular issue. Now, just before, you said,

It would seem there's just as much hate towards the other side.

Oh, I seem to recall Knowledged_one calling someone a "socialist little faggot" in the Obama-Worst President Ever thread.

I'm not disgusted with people that think the joke is bullshit and I didn't say that or anything similar. What I said was disgusting is the hate and venom being spewed towards a girl that hasn't done anything to anybody. It's one thing to say and understand that this will happen to her on occasion because she's in the public spotlight now and hopefully she can handle it. It's entirely different to cheer and jeer as if justice is being served. That's all I was trying to say so you can stop trying to put words in my mouth.

You've got one quote from one guy that got angry at one individual poster. I don't think that's the same thing at all. How many people on this board do you have to respond to in a post when you defend your opinion here in a thread? How many people here post similar opinions to yours when you post? There's a lot less conservatives on this forum and at times even I feel like I'm being ganged up on here. I generally deal with it ok and when it gets to me, I take a break from posting here or I type up what I want to say and then don't submit it. Knowledged_One overreacted and I'm not going to defend what he said. There's a lot more hateful posts directed towards conservatives here whether that means talk show hosts, politicians, or just conservative minded posters on the forum.

Wait, wait, wait...so according to you I'm the one who doesn't want to discuss things, but you say that after saying that people should able to make points without being debated or questioned just because they're hypotheticals?

I challenged the hypotheticals because they were used poorly and actually don't apply if you hold them up to even a minutia of scruitiny. I hardly spent any time breaking them down, so don't act like I did or expect people to go to the great lengths you're so melodramatically talking about. I understand the hypotheticals just fine, hence I was able to so easily dismantle them. If you can refute or challenge the points I raised, feel free, but quite honestly I don't expect you to do more except continuing to pull a SonOfSmeagol and argue how I'm discussing this as opposed to what I'm bringing up.

There's no point in further discussions with you Mojo. I don't debate here to win. I debate to expand my own ideas and opinions by learning from people that disagree with me. You don't seem to want to debate. You seem to just want to be right without acknowledging anybody else may have a valid point or opinion. I'm tired of hearing you say strawman over and over and over on this board. It's starting to become trendy. It's impossible to have a conversation with somebody like that.

[badmonkey]

I think the point of this hypothetical is to mask the statement: "It's ok to pick <strike>The media picks</strike> on Palin because she is a conservative, <strike>but goes easy on Obama because he is a liberal.</strike>"

That's all you needed because that is the truth of the matter.

[TheMojoPin]

There's no point in further discussions with you Mojo. I don't debate here to win. I debate to expand my own ideas and opinions by learning from people that disagree with me. You don't seem to want to debate. You seem to just want to be right without acknowledging anybody else may have a valid point or opinion. I'm tired of hearing you say strawman over and over and over on this board. It's starting to become trendy. It's impossible to have a conversation with somebody like that.

How am I not debating?!? Someone tried to make a point with a faulty hypothetical and I expanded on it and challenged it....y'know, attempting to debate the point. YOU chose to instead to dismiss my approach altogether and not address any of the points I brought up because of the hypothetical and proceeded to instead only make ANOTHER hypothetical. I did the same thing again and again you choose to not address anything I brought up and only criticize HOW I'm challenging these ideas. It takes at least two to debate and you're choosing not to with me. If I'm wrong about my ideas towards what was brought up, feel free to show me how as opposed to just implying that I don't "get" how to use hypotheticals.

Ridiculous. I'm trying to break down the point made and challenge it, you're chastizing me for doing so and then say I'M the one who is avoiding debate. Sorry I don't live up the badmonkey model of pithy comments and vague, flawed hypotheticals as being the gold standards of political discussion.

[foodcourtdruide]

That's all you needed because that is the truth of the matter.

The hypothetical also insinuates that it's not ok to pick on the liberal Obama, and I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. Both sides get made fun of by David Letterman. Geez man, were you around for the 5 years that 80% of his monologue was about Clinton and Lewinsky?

[TheMojoPin]

The hypothetical also insinuates that it's not ok to pick on the liberal Obama, and I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. Both sides get made fun of by David Letterman. Geez man, were you around for the 5 years that 80% of his monologue was about Clinton and Lewinsky?

No kidding. Claiming that it's "OK to attack conservatives" implies that these people and shows never make fun of or go after Democrats.

OK...since when? Palin is made fun of because she's a walking joke. Let's not pretend this is some dignified public servant who is unjusty being torn down simply because she's a conservative. She's mocked just like any other politician, the difference being that she serves up ounchlines with nearly everything she does and says. Comparing her to Obama again seems to imply that they're on equal footing in terms of just straight up making a fool of themselves, and that's simply not the case. If Obama was putting his foot in his mouth even just a fraction as often and as sensationally as Palin does he'd be getting the same treatment. Saying she's made fun of only because she's a conservative also makes it sound like she represents or is indicative of most conservatives in this country, and that's simply not the case. That's unfair to most conservatives and Republicans.

[EliSnow]

The hypothetical also insinuates that it's not ok to pick on the liberal Obama, and I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. Both sides get made fun of by David Letterman. Geez man, were you around for the 5 years that 80% of his monologue was about Clinton and Lewinsky?

That's been one of my big points about the use of this "event" as another example of the liberal media attacking the right.

Letterman (like Leno and Carson before them) make fun of both sides of the aisle with equal fervor. The only thing that enters their analysis is what makes the bigger laugh.

[badmonkey]

How am I not debating?!? Someone tried to make a point with a faulty hypothetical and I expanded on it and challenged it....y'know, attempting to debate the point. YOU chose to instead to dismiss my approach altogether and not address any of the points I brought up because of the hypothetical and proceeded to instead only make ANOTHER hypothetical. I did the same thing again and again you choose to not address anything I brought up and only criticize HOW I'm challenging these ideas. It takes at least two to debate and you're choosing not to with me. If I'm wrong about my ideas towards what was brought up, feel free to show me how as opposed to just implying that I don't "get" how to use hypotheticals.

Ridiculous. I'm trying to break down the point made and challenge it, you're chastizing me for doing so and then say I'M the one who is avoiding debate. Sorry I don't live up the badmonkey model of pithy comments and vague, flawed hypotheticals as being the gold standards of political discussion.

Sorry what? A friend of mine once asked me "If Spider-Man and Scooby Doo got all fucked up on drugs and had a three-way with Daphne and knocked her up would the resulting spinoff show be called Spider-Doo or Scooby-Man?"

Your answer to that question would be: Spider-Man wouldn't do drugs and why the fuck would Daphne even high on drugs have sex with a dog? Dogs also can't impregnate women so that part is impossible too. It would also be impossible for Spider-Man and Scooby to both be the father so the merging of their names is just rediculous. It would have to be something like Spider-girl or Dog-chick. Nevermind that Spider-Man and Scooby Doo don't even exist in the same universe so it's an impossibility for them to even meet let alone both bang Daphne or knock her up.

Hypotheticals are supposed to be simple and general. They shouldn't require a novel to explain and understand. With that... I'm done. I don't care enough about Letterman or what he's telling jokes about to continue to argue this bullshit.

[EliSnow]

Sorry what? A friend of mine once asked me "If Spider-Man and Scooby Doo got all fucked up on drugs and had a three-way with Daphne and knocked her up would the resulting spinoff show be called Spider-Doo or Scooby-Man?"

Your answer to that question would be: Spider-Man wouldn't do drugs and why the fuck would Daphne even high on drugs have sex with a dog? Dogs also can't impregnate women so that part is impossible too. It would also be impossible for Spider-Man and Scooby to both be the father so the merging of their names is just rediculous. It would have to be something like Spider-girl or Dog-chick. Nevermind that Spider-Man and Scooby Doo don't even exist in the same universe so it's an impossibility for them to even meet let alone both bang Daphne or knock her up.

Hypotheticals are supposed to be simple and general. They shouldn't require a novel to explain and understand. With that... I'm done. I don't care enough about Letterman or what he's telling jokes about to continue to argue this bullshit.

You're saying that a debate and/or hypothetical about real life politics should be treated like a pot hypothetical about imaginary cartoon characters?

The complexity and seriousness of a hypothetical should be equal to the seriousness/complexity of the issue it's about.

If hypotheticals are supposed to be simple and general, someone should tell a number of the law professors and judges that I've dealt with. Oh and the people responsible for creating bar exams. Their hypos where anything but simple and general. And offering a simple and general answer would have mean I never would have been admitted.

[TheMojoPin]

Sorry what? A friend of mine once asked me "If Spider-Man and Scooby Doo got all fucked up on drugs and had a three-way with Daphne and knocked her up would the resulting spinoff show be called Spider-Doo or Scooby-Man?"

Your answer to that question would be: Spider-Man wouldn't do drugs and why the fuck would Daphne even high on drugs have sex with a dog? Dogs also can't impregnate women so that part is impossible too. It would also be impossible for Spider-Man and Scooby to both be the father so the merging of their names is just rediculous. It would have to be something like Spider-girl or Dog-chick. Nevermind that Spider-Man and Scooby Doo don't even exist in the same universe so it's an impossibility for them to even meet let alone both bang Daphne or knock her up.

Hypotheticals are supposed to be simple and general. They shouldn't require a novel to explain and understand. With that... I'm done. I don't care enough about Letterman or what he's telling jokes about to continue to argue this bullshit.

Ah, gotcha, so the hypotheticals involving an actual event and actual people and being used to try to challenge points being made here is the same as people talking about cartoon characters fucking.

Again, the hypotheticals WERE simple and general. Everyone understood them. They were so easy understand that it was just as easy to point out how they're based on flawed reasoning. They were being used in an attempt to make a point that Palin was the victim of liberal media bias. I challeneged that idea. You've only responded with complaining that people responded to them at all, like they were instead supposed to shut up and act like they were valid points that trumped everything being said and not dare to counter them. It all comes down to you not liking the political opinions of the people challenging the points, but instead of trying to respond to the points raised you just complain about the discussion itself. Quite the pattern you and SonOfSmeagol have going here.

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My head hurts.

[brettmojo]

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[The Jays]

I'm not disgusted with people that think the joke is bullshit and I didn't say that or anything similar. What I said was disgusting is the hate and venom being spewed towards a girl that hasn't done anything to anybody. It's one thing to say and understand that this will happen to her on occasion because she's in the public spotlight now and hopefully she can handle it. It's entirely different to cheer and jeer as if justice is being served. That's all I was trying to say so you can stop trying to put words in my mouth.


When I say I read something of yours and then tell you what I think it implies, it's not me putting words into your mouth. I'm trying to help you acknowledge how you are coming off when you cherry pick people's words from this thread, mush them into one sentence, and then say you find these people disgusting for "hate" and "venom", because when I read their words, I don't sense any hate or venom. You seem to be oversensitive about what people write, with you sensing hate and venom through their posts, along with you thinking that by responding to a post directly is somehow attacking them.

But we've strayed off topic. Letterman made a joke, Palin got oversensitive about it.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Quite the pattern you and SonOfSmeagol have going here.

A petulant and unwarranted little swipe since I am wholly uninvolved, but if it somehow makes you feel better more power to you.

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No kidding. Claiming that it's "OK to attack conservatives" implies that these people and shows never make fun of or go after Democrats.


"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

That was the 2008 Republican nominee for the Presidency of the United States.

[foodcourtdruide]

That was the 2008 Republican nominee for the Presidency of the United States.

Remember when esd went to the protest and held up the "I am a left wing lunatic" sign over that?

[high fly]

Ah, gotcha, so the hypotheticals involving an actual event and actual people and being used to try to challenge points being made here is the same as people talking about cartoon characters fucking.

Again, the hypotheticals WERE simple and general. Everyone understood them. They were so easy understand that it was just as easy to point out how they're based on flawed reasoning. They were being used in an attempt to make a point that Palin was the victim of liberal media bias. I challeneged that idea. You've only responded with complaining that people responded to them at all, like they were instead supposed to shut up and act like they were valid points that trumped everything being said and not dare to counter them. It all comes down to you not liking the political opinions of the people challenging the points, but instead of trying to respond to the points raised you just complain about the discussion itself. Quite the pattern you and SonOfSmeagol have going here.


I listen fairly regularly to Limpbaugh, Manatee, LeFin and Ink-A-gram, and part of the problem is they all sing from the same hymnal and reinforce each other so it not only seems to conservative listeners that they have it right, but that there can be no other real truth.
These hosts routinely put up and knock down straw men and their listeners mistakenly believe those straw men to be what liberals believe.
They feed their listeners talking points and it is remarkable tolisten to the shows and then see Manatee et al practically quoted verbatim by conservatives on message boards.

Those conservatives then get slaughtered and never can quite figure out why, because it sounds so perfect when Limpbaugh says it and even when the listeners use the same points of rebuttal, they don't flatten the opposition the way Manatee and the rest do on their shows.
What is really fun is to listen to the right-wing talkers and when their glassy-eyed zombie listeners post, to rebut with points that were not addressed by the right-wing hosts.
Inevitably the listeners get stuck, because they are only able to give the replies fed to them in rebuttal to certain points and are frequently unable to handle something the show host didn't cover.


What I find particularly pitiful is the listeners to those shows never figure out two things:

1) They are listening to pundits air opinion and editorial commentary, not news journalism.
One genius move of the right has been to play "shoot-the-messenger" for so long that they now have thepublic turning to them for "news" and "unbiased" reporting.

2) They never figure out that when they trot this stuff out they heard from Manatee and proceed to get stump-whupped, that they have been made fools of by Manatee and the like. It's like someone who stands there dropping a cinder block on his foot over and over.
His foot hurts like hell, but he has yet to make the connection between dropping the cinder block and the resultant pain.....