A college poll

[TooLowBrow]

which is more difficult? paying for college classes or passing college classes?

[MacVittie]

passing classes is pretty tough, especially at higher levels.

ask my parents about paying for it.

[Friday]

passing was simple.

i am still paying.

[Suspect Chin]

Much harder to pay for it. College classes are a formality.

[MacVittie]

Much harder to pay for it. College classes are a formality.

I think it depends on the school and your major. I'm a math major at a state college.

[Suspect Chin]

I think it depends on the school and your major. I'm a math major at a state college.

Does that mean your classes are easy?

[MacVittie]

Does that mean your classes are easy?

the classes are hard, tuition is easy.

[Friday]

the classes are hard, tuition is easy.

i was a music major.

which meant we took nearly twice the number of classes than most majors each semester.
classes are still hard... but if you have chops they are easy to pass.
oh.. except Piano. i was awful at that...

tuition... follows you for years unless you are a trust fund baby or an older person of means.

[Suspect Chin]

the classes are hard, tuition is easy.

If I had to do it all over again, I would have gone to a state school and would probably be making the same amount of money without the ungodly debt.

[Suspect Chin]

i was a music major.

which meant we took nearly twice the number of classes than most majors each semester.
classes are still hard... but if you have chops they are easy to pass.
oh.. except Piano. i was awful at that...

tuition... follows you for years unless you are a trust fund baby or an older person of means.

What are chops? And what are you doing now with a music degree?

[TooLowBrow]

What are chops? And what are you doing now with a music degree?

he meant chopin

[Friday]

What are chops? And what are you doing now with a music degree?

singing for money. it's the best.

[Suspect Chin]

http://www.mtv.com/content/ontv/movieawards/2008/images/flipbooks/adam-sandler/flipbook/wedding_singer.jpg

[WampusCrandle]

Classes are harder than paying for it.

If anything, it's hard just getting into a college. I say that trumps paying or passing classes.

[Suspect Chin]

Classes are harder than paying for it.

If anything, it's hard just getting into a college. I say that trumps paying or passing classes.

How is this difficult? If you did anything in high school, you can at least go to your state college.

[TooLowBrow]

How is this difficult? If you did anything in high school, you can at least go to your state college.

plus state school is free

[Suspect Chin]

plus state school is free

Really? I thought this was only in California.

[WampusCrandle]

How is this difficult? If you did anything in high school, you can at least go to your state college.

If you want to go this route, then you can take easy community college courses for mere pennies.

Getting into good universities is truly hard to do.

[Suspect Chin]

If you want to go this route, then you can take easy community college courses for mere pennies.

Getting into good universities is truly hard to do.

Community College is a whole different story. I was talking about at least your state school. I went to a 'good university' and I can say first hand that I wish I would have saved my money and gone to state school. I would be in the same position career wise and far less indebted.

[WampusCrandle]

Community College is a whole different story. I was talking about at least your state school. I went to a 'good university' and I can say first hand that I wish I would have saved my money and gone to state school. I would be in the same position career wise and far less indebted.

you could have saved even more money by going to a community college or taking online courses.

[Suspect Chin]

you could have saved even more money by going to a community college or taking online courses.

Thats where I draw the line. Community colleges aren't that much cheaper than state colleges in most states. Plus, you don't get the 'college experience' of living on campus. Employers won't give you much credit for going to a great school, but I think they will certainly discount you for going to a community college.

[TooLowBrow]

i dont get this....

colleges need the kids to have books because basically the classes are taught on the info found in the books

YOU have paid the college to educate you

but YOU have to go out and buy the books the school uses to educate you?


also, YOU can ONLY use the book for the semester... then you never need it again

wouldnt it would be cheaper for the colleges to pay for the books, give the kids the books and collect them at the end of the semester

then the college could raise tuition a bit to cover renting the books but it would still be cheaper than buying them on your own

[Suspect Chin]

i dont get this....

colleges need the kids to have books because basically the classes are taught on the info found in the books

YOU have paid the college to educate you

but YOU have to go out and buy the books the school uses to educate you?


also, YOU can ONLY use the book for the semester... then you never need it again

wouldnt it would be cheaper for the colleges to pay for the books, give the kids the books and collect them at the end of the semester

then the college could raise tuition a bit to cover renting the books but it would still be cheaper than buying them on your own

Unfortunately the schools have left it up to the professor which book he wants to teach from. Many professors teach from the book they wrote, so of course they are going to require it be purchases, in order to line their pockets.

It is just basic business. Why do you think Apple releases a 'new' iPhone every couple of months? The old one is probably very similar but if you want to stay current you have to upgrade. Same thing with textbooks, a new edition is always released in order to make the current editions obsolete.

[MacVittie]

i dont get this....

colleges need the kids to have books because basically the classes are taught on the info found in the books

YOU have paid the college to educate you

but YOU have to go out and buy the books the school uses to educate you?


also, YOU can ONLY use the book for the semester... then you never need it again

wouldnt it would be cheaper for the colleges to pay for the books, give the kids the books and collect them at the end of the semester

then the college could raise tuition a bit to cover renting the books but it would still be cheaper than buying them on your own

college textbooks is the biggest racket going today

[TooLowBrow]

Unfortunately the schools have left it up to the professor which book he wants to teach from. Many professors teach from the book they wrote, so of course they are going to require it be purchases, in order to line their pockets.


Same thing with textbooks, a new edition is always released in order to make the current editions obsolete.

sure.

but kids are buying the profs books. let the school buy em

new editions come out, but maybe every other year, not every semester

and if the prof wants more $ he can write a new edition himself

if he can show that hes added something worthwhile, then it would be in the colleges best interest to let him teach from the new edition and they would buy the new edition

[TooLowBrow]

college textbooks is the biggest racket going today

ALL textbooks. k through college

but til 12th grade the taxpayers pay

after that its up to the individual

do we want to live in a country where the average is hs diploma?

[Suspect Chin]

sure.

but kids are buying the profs books. let the school buy em

new editions come out, but maybe every other year, not every semester

and if the prof wants more $ he can write a new edition himself

if he can show that hes added something worthwhile, then it would be in the colleges best interest to let him teach from the new edition and they would buy the new edition

What difference would it make if the college rolled the cost of textbooks into tuition? You would still have the same amount to pay off in the end but you would bitch that you had no control over where to buy your books. Not to mention the administrative fees associated with coordinating which student gets which books. At least this way you have the opportunity to get books cheaper via ebay, amazon, older friends, etc.

[TooLowBrow]

What difference would it make if the college rolled the cost of textbooks into tuition? You would still have the same amount to pay off in the end but you would bitch that you had no control over where to buy your books. Not to mention the administrative fees associated with coordinating which student gets which books. At least this way you have the opportunity to get books cheaper via ebay, amazon, older friends, etc.

i think that a college would pay less than you because they are buying in bulk. thousands of books at a time.

then they could pass the savings on to you


i dont think colleges will do this, but they should

[led37zep]

Its sooo much harder to pass as a college student these days.

[Suspect Chin]

Its sooo much harder to pass as a college student these days.

Compared to which days?

[TooLowBrow]

Compared to which days?

compared to before he turned 45

[A.J.]

Paying. I feel bad for you guys with kids.

[led37zep]

Compared to which days?
Reeshy wouldn't have to put up with this shit.

[keithy_19]

How is this difficult? If you did anything in high school, you can at least go to your state college.

I tried to get in Rutgers and got rejected. I tried to get into Ramapo and got rejected. I got into Fairleigh Dickinson and didn't go cause it is just awful to pay for. So it's not like you can just get into State universities. I wasn't a terrible student either. I pulled a B average and was involved in stuff. Granted, with Rutgers I applied to the business school and my math is awful.

I also got into Western Connecticut State but didn't go because, well, I'm dumb I guess.

[keithy_19]

Its sooo much harder to pass as a college student these days.

I've completed bullshitted my way through school and have done pretty well for myself. My GPA took a nose dive after I stopped showing up to classes and got on academic probation. But after the past semester I'm back at a solid 3.

[drjoek]

Any one want to take a shot at my tuition bills for two kids in private colleges in September?
paying is tougher than passing

[Kublakhan61]

Getting to good schools is as easy/difficult as you are smart.
Paying for school is easier when you get scholarships.
I still have and refer to many of my undergrad text books. I truly cherish them.
Grad school is easier then undergrad.
I don't care that much for my grad texts.
Grad school is easy to pay for when you get a free ride.


EDIT: as for not paying for text books- you can request that the prof put a hold on the libraries one copy. My profs would do this in undergrad. You'd just have to read it in the library, after your classmate.

[WampusCrandle]

Getting to good schools is as easy/difficult as you are smart.
Paying for school is easier when you get scholarships.
I still have and refer to many of my undergrad text books. I truly cherish them.
Grad school is easier then undergrad.
I don't care that much for my grad texts.
Grad school is easy to pay for when you get a free ride.


EDIT: as for not paying for text books- you can request that the prof put a hold on the libraries one copy. My profs would do this in undergrad. You'd just have to read it in the library, after your classmate.


getting to good schools is not as easy or difficult if you are smart. schools have stopped basing much of their incoming freshmen based on SAT scores and more on after school activities (jobs, teams, clubs ...). Yes, grades are huge, but they are just as equal as the activities you do when not in school.

[Coach_Mac]

If you graduate from high school, you can get into college...somewhere. No exceptions. It may be junior college but then if you get your associates you can get into almost any state school. All you have to do then is put forth a little effort and you can pass. Unless you're going to be a doctor or a profession that really uses their degree, college is all about just getting through it and getting that diploma. I don't see the hard part. Paying for it however, can take a while.