UFOs & Aliens

[Snoogans]

The past 2 or 3 days Ive been sucked into watching these crazy UFO Hunter shows from History Channel. Most of the time they just suck you in with all this great shit that ends up being nothing great by the end of the show, but some of the shit ends up kind of interesting, if not really fuckin confusing.

Anyway I decided to take it to you loons here. What do you think. You believe in Aliens, and if so, why and what do you think they do here. If not, why.

Personally, I would think its pretty impossible for there not to be, but whether or not they contact us, I have no fuckin idea. Im sure this could get interesting

[Suspect Chin]

The past 2 or 3 days Ive been sucked into watching these crazy UFO Hunter shows from History Channel. Most of the time they just suck you in with all this great shit that ends up being nothing great by the end of the show, but some of the shit ends up kind of interesting, if not really fuckin confusing.

Anyway I decided to take it to you loons here. What do you think. You believe in Aliens, and if so, why and what do you think they do here. If not, why.

Personally, I would think its pretty impossible for there not to be, but whether or not they contact us, I have no fuckin idea. Im sure this could get interesting

I agree that with the vastness of our universe, it seems highly likely that similar conditions to those on Earth exist elsewhere and would accommodate life.

[PapaBear]

I agree with the improbability that there aren't aliens, but I also agree that those alien hunter shows SUUUUUUUUCK!

[Suspect Chin]

I agree with the improbability that there aren't aliens, but I also agree that those alien hunter shows SUUUUUUUUCK!

The shows are horrible and I'm surprised someone as cynical as Snoogans would get wrapped up in watching them.

[Sue_Bender]

I agree with the improbability that there aren't aliens, but I also agree that those alien hunter shows SUUUUUUUUCK!

They're as anti-climatic as the ghost hunter programs.


Booooo. Fake. More Boooo-age.

[sailor]

there is most likely life on other planets and it is as likely that they have not visited here. (aliens on other planets - yes, aliens on earth - no)

[hedges]

I think that the government knows there are, but won't give full disclosure because it would freak too many people out. I also think the president is kept out of the loop.

[Snoogans]

The shows are horrible and I'm surprised someone as cynical as Snoogans would get wrapped up in watching them.

I dont know why so much either. Ive always liked astronomy and shit. I used to love going to planetariums and they used to bring that mobile one too my school. I always loved sky and space type shit.

The shows also make me laugh, and some of the shit is interesting and facts. Its just the spin cycle at the end that can get nuts. I actually really enjoy watchin the shows though.

I think it has to do with the fact that certain things also seem to make sense from what I know from science. Science and History were the only 2 subjects I really wanted to like learn past where school forced you to get. I always liked physics class and all the shit about Earth's physics and magnetic energy grid and shit.
I think part of me, and to a point all people, kinda want it to be true also, to explain things that have happened and dont make sense. Like all the ancient structures that were impossible to build but were built. Its almost like hoping for some reason for that type of shit I guess.

[Snoogans]

there is most likely life on other planets and it is as likely that they have not visited here. (aliens on other planets - yes, aliens on earth - no)

the thing that fucks with me there is look from 1909 to 2009 what we have gotten to. If some civilization had 100 year head start on us, who fuckin knows what they could do. Or even more of a start. In our little amount of time we can send manned and unmanned crafts pretty fuckin far. In 100 years from now im sure we can get them at least twice as far. Maybe more. Who fuckin knows.

[PapaBear]

I wonder why hardly anyone ever talks about the possibility of US someday being able to travel farther into space, and finding a society of creatures that just learned about fire.

[Snoogans]

I wonder why hardly anyone ever talks about the possibility of US someday being able to travel farther into space, and finding a society of creatures that just learned about fire.

Thats what I think draws me to it. Would it be so hard to believe that some other life started before us, and would it be so hard to think one started after?

I heard shit about how they found water on Mars and other things that can support life. We can observe planets outside our solar system now. In 100 years we will prob be able to at least send some unmanned aircraft out of our solar system.

Sometimes I think maybe its basically Humans who started before us on another planet and wasted the planet like we are, and had to find a way to go live off another planet or in big air cities. Same shit we are startin to look into figuring out if we can do for when we have to

[hanso]

I always put on the ufo files. Ufo hunters are ok as well.
One ep. had the base I was attached to with the U.S.N.R.
They made up stories and what not.

These shows and the Inca Indian stuff I can't turn off.

[Snoogans]

I always put on the ufo files. Ufo hunters are ok as well.
One ep. had the base I was attached to with the U.S.N.R.
They made up stories and what not.

These shows and the Inca Indian stuff I can't turn off.

thats my favorite. All the ancient aliens stuff. Cause how else could they do all that shit, half of which we probably would still fuck up right now.

[hedges]

And it's bullshit that there are four dead aliens in the trunk of a Chevy Malibu.
Flying saucers are really time machines.

[Suspect Chin]

I wonder why hardly anyone ever talks about the possibility of US someday being able to travel farther into space, and finding a society of creatures that just learned about fire.

Good point considering we have sent out messages to other planets and never heard anything back, which would indicate to me that they are less sophisticated than we are.

[Snoogans]

And it's bullshit that there are four dead aliens in the trunk of a Chevy Malibu.
Flying saucers are really time machines.

Did you ever read that shit about that "time traveler" who was supposedly posting on that messageboard? John Titor i think it was. In his shit he actually said "UFO Sightings" we just people seeing the re entry disturbance made by time machines. Thats similar to think thinkin of a group of people on another planet that just started earlier. So time travel could make sense, and we basically figured out that its possible to do, whether or not we could survive it who knows.

I could accept that if it were the case. It would also explain the need for them to keep an eye on what we are doin to make sure we dont fuck it up.

[Snoogans]

Good point considering we have sent out messages to other planets and never heard anything back, which would indicate to me that they are less sophisticated than we are.

the ones our signals can reach, anyway? Which is mostly likely not even 1% of the universe

[hedges]

There are photos of engravings at some ancient (I think Mayan and Egyptian) sites of what look like "spacemen" and "spaceships"

[Suspect Chin]

I think the chance of aliens existing is far greater and more scientifically possible than most of the religious bullshit people believe in. But if you believe in aliens you are crazy and if you religious you are normal.

[Snoogans]

There are photos of engravings at some ancient (I think Mayan and Egyptian) sites of what look like "spacemen" and "spaceships"

They did a 2 hour special on history channel. i think its just called Ancient Aliens, its on youtube in parts. They show alot of the drawings of planes and other things. Sky fire fights and just shit they couldnt have known about.

Also during the Vietnam War. We had aid planes that landed near a local native trive that never really saw that shit before. We gave them food and shit, and then left. They actually built planes out of straw and sticks thinkin we were gods that came and gave them shit and they were tryin to get us to come back. So who knows if thats where religion and gods and shit came from back in the day

I think the chance of aliens existing is far greater and more scientifically possible than most of the religious bullshit people believe in. But if you believe in aliens you are crazy and if you religious you are normal.

I comepletely agree, in fact see above. I think the 2 are actually intertwined and most of what people thought of as Gods were actually just people from more advanced civilizations that showed up here. And possibly showed some of the cultures maybe how to build some of that shit. or where to build it. Or all the shit the Mayans knew about time and space..

[Suspect Chin]

the ones our signals can reach, anyway? Which is mostly likely not even 1% of the universe

The signals we sent out will eventually reach the far expanses of universe as they are traveling at the speed of light in a frictionless environment. I don't know if the energy is available anywhere in the universe to physically reach the locations beyond our signals. Something massive enough to reach those locations would take so long to get there that no being could live long enough to return with their findings.

[Snoogans]

The signals we sent out will eventually reach the far expanses of universe as they are traveling at the speed of light in a frictionless environment. I don't know if the energy is available anywhere in the universe to physically reach the locations beyond our signals. Something massive enough to reach those locations would take so long to get there that no being could live long enough to return with their findings.

. Exactly though. We would never be alive for that. It would take hundreds of years just to get an answer from something near our own sun

[Suspect Chin]

I comepletely agree, in fact see above. I think the 2 are actually intertwined and most of what people thought of as Gods were actually just people from more advanced civilizations that showed up here. And possibly showed some of the cultures maybe how to build some of that shit. or where to build it. Or all the shit the Mayans knew about time and space..

I think the only god worth logically worshiping would be the sun, as it actually provides all the energy needed for warmth, sustenance, shelter, etc.; all the things normally contributed to 'god'.

[JPMNICK]

i think it is pretty insane to think that is not some type of carbon based life forms somewhere in the universe. there is just way to many planents and stars out there.

at the same time, depending on conditions, i am sure they have evolved so much different then us, that they would never have a need to come here. if you are smart enough as a society to interstellar travel, you do not need to travel 500 million light years just to mine a small planet for iron ore. you at that point should be able to synthesize anything you need, and the cost to come here and take shit would be cost prohibitive.

[hedges]

Also during the Vietnam War. We had aid planes that landed near a local native trive that never really saw that shit before. We gave them food and shit, and then left. They actually built planes out of straw and sticks thinkin we were gods that came and gave them shit and they were tryin to get us to come back. So who knows if thats where religion and gods and shit came from back in the day


They are called "cargo cults", and they are fascinating.

[Suspect Chin]

i think it is pretty insane to think that is not some type of carbon based life forms somewhere in the universe. there is just way to many planents and stars out there.

at the same time, depending on conditions, i am sure they have evolved so much different then us, that they would never have a need to come here. if you are smart enough as a society to interstellar travel, you do not need to travel 500 million light years just to mine a small planet for iron ore. you at that point should be able to synthesize anything you need, and the cost to come here and take shit would be cost prohibitive.

Unless they have the same curiosity that we have about other life forms. I think it is safe to assume that if they are capable of interstellar travel, that they have also evolved human-like emotions and concepts that would cause them to wonder about life on other planets.

[Snoogans]

i think it is pretty insane to think that is not some type of carbon based life forms somewhere in the universe. there is just way to many planents and stars out there.

at the same time, depending on conditions, i am sure they have evolved so much different then us, that they would never have a need to come here. if you are smart enough as a society to interstellar travel, you do not need to travel 500 million light years just to mine a small planet for iron ore. you at that point should be able to synthesize anything you need, and the cost to come here and take shit would be cost prohibitive.

its actually not iron ore. Also, alot of it is based on going between dimensions, similar to time travel, rather than actually covering distances. Also, most likely, this is what they would be interested in, and this would apply whether its Aliens or future Humans time traveling, this would be important to either:
http://rahelio.homestead.com/files/worldgrid.jpg

Thats the magnetic energy grid and energy vortexes for earth. That would be necc to the theories of time travel right now. Also, alot of those intersecting spots and lines run through some interesting spots. Most likely that would be the cause for any visits.

[Snoogans]

Unless they have the same curiosity that we have about other life forms. I think it is safe to assume that if they are capable of interstellar travel, that they have also evolved human-like emotions and concepts that would cause them to wonder about life on other planets.

And now they can do it. Shit we wonder and we cant find out. Does anyone really think that once we are able to find out, we arent gonna go look? FUCK YEA we are gonna go look. Thats what the whole fuckin point of learning about space and going there is for. To find out what the fuck is there.

[Snoogans]

So how bout this too. Assuming its not time travelers, which you really do have to consider being we are basically TRYING to do it. But assume UFO's do come here. Being alot of the sightings are along the lines of energy of our planet, maybe its like a gas station to them. Maybe they fly around and as they lose energy they stop by whatever the next planet that gives off that kind of magnetic energy field and vortex because that somehow repowers the craft.

We just happen to be one of those planets along the way. They come in, fly over the intersections and along the lines of the grid, grab some power from the earth, and head off.

[Suspect Chin]

So how bout this too. Assuming its not time travelers, which you really do have to consider being we are basically TRYING to do it. But assume UFO's do come here. Being alot of the sightings are along the lines of energy of our planet, maybe its like a gas station to them. Maybe they fly around and as they lose energy they stop by whatever the next planet that gives off that kind of magnetic energy field and vortex because that somehow repowers the craft.

We just happen to be one of those planets along the way. They come in, fly over the intersections and along the lines of the grid, grab some power from the earth, and head off.

The magnetic fluctuations in those intersections is real but negligible. The only reason we have a magnetic field is because of our iron core, which most other planets have as well.

[Snoogans]

The magnetic fluctuations in those intersections is real but negligible. The only reason we have a magnetic field is because of our iron core, which most other planets have as well.

negligible to us. But it isnt that long relatively we have known about them. So we dont know what real forces they may have or how to use them. In a few hundred years we might. And one of the intersections that has the largest amount of lines of energy intersection is the Bermuda Triangle

[Suspect Chin]

negligible to us. But it isnt that long relatively we have known about them. So we dont know what real forces they may have or how to use them. In a few hundred years we might. And one of the intersections that has the largest amount of lines of energy intersection is the Bermuda Triangle

We have a pretty good grasp on electromagnetism and how to use and quantify magnetic fields.

The Bermuda Triangle is a source of many missing ships but it is also one of the busiest ocean areas in the world so it makes sense that more ships would go missing there just like more accidents happen in busy traffic areas.

[Snoogans]

We have a pretty good grasp on electromagnetism and how to use and quantify magnetic fields.

The Bermuda Triangle is a source of many missing ships but it is also one of the busiest ocean areas in the world so it makes sense that more ships would go missing there just like more accidents happen in busy traffic areas.

thats the beauty of this whole thing. And why I started this thread.

I think the biggest thing is what people WANT to think. Anyone with an open mind to it, you can easily find tons of shit to support it, and vice versa.

I guess i just cant believe, based on where we have come to, that we wont get to a point where we can go to other planets and check shit out. So I cant say some other planet's civilization cant do it.

Also, maybe we do have a pretty good grasp on all that. We have a pretty good grasp on flying too, it doesnt mean we wont keep improving how we do it. Maybe we find some new mix of elements that reacts differently than we ever knew. Its happened throughout history.

[Suspect Chin]

thats the beauty of this whole thing. And why I started this thread.

I think the biggest thing is what people WANT to think. Anyone with an open mind to it, you can easily find tons of shit to support it, and vice versa.

I guess i just cant believe, based on where we have come to, that we wont get to a point where we can go to other planets and check shit out. So I cant say some other planet's civilization cant do it.

Also, maybe we do have a pretty good grasp on all that. We have a pretty good grasp on flying too, it doesnt mean we wont keep improving how we do it. Maybe we find some new mix of elements that reacts differently than we ever knew. Its happened throughout history.

I hope you are right, that we do develop our technology to the point that we are able to visit other planets. However, the cost of space travel has gotten so expensive that the government is pulling out most of its resources in the next few years. Thankfully, there are private enterprises investing money in space travel both locally (moon and back) and afar.

[Snoogans]

I hope you are right, that we do develop our technology to the point that we are able to visit other planets. However, the cost of space travel has gotten so expensive that the government is pulling out most of its resources in the next few years. Thankfully, there are private enterprises investing money in space travel both locally (moon and back) and afar.

yea im not sayin this is happening while we are alive. But seriously, its definately gonna happen. it has to. Maybe even just to save humans, we may have to figure a way to leave here

[Suspect Chin]

yea im not sayin this is happening while we are alive. But seriously, its definately gonna happen. it has to. Maybe even just to save humans, we may have to figure a way to leave here

I think this is what will eventually lead to true space exploration; the eminent threat to the entire human race.

[sailor]

the thing that fucks with me there is look from 1909 to 2009 what we have gotten to. If some civilization had 100 year head start on us, who fuckin knows what they could do. Or even more of a start. In our little amount of time we can send manned and unmanned crafts pretty fuckin far. In 100 years from now im sure we can get them at least twice as far. Maybe more. Who fuckin knows.

it's not that they couldn't get here, it's just with the insane number of stars and planets, it would take so long before they randomly found our little world.

[Chigworthy]

What a bunch of rookies. They aren't from a distant galaxy, they are from the future.

Here's a premise that I tried to write a story about when I was pretending to be creative years ago. Let it be known that this is not my belief, just something that I thought could explain the phenomenon in a fun way:

Aliens are humans from the future. The reason why they look so different and so weak is from generations and generations of evolution in the direction we are going (Increasingly indoor lifestyle=pale skin, lack of muscle tone and large head=evolving from "primate" lifestyle to "computer nerd" lifestyle). In their time, there is something horribly wrong with their health, some kind of virus that has embedded in the actual genes of humanity. They have tracked the initial vector of the virus to a short period in human history, which happens to be now. They've had to travel to various times in history to do tests, hence the supposed sightings throughout human history. They discovered that the "virus" was introduced into the population through prions contained in the food supply, and narrowed down the main vector as commercial cattle. After extensive biopsies and necropsies on various samples of our meat supply (cattle mutilations), they narrowed the main outbreak to the 90's......

I never got that far with it.

[sailor]

didn't south park do that one?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/84794196_1ffc979d41.jpg

[Snoogans]

What a bunch of rookies. They aren't from a distant galaxy, they are from the future.

Here's a premise that I tried to write a story about when I was pretending to be creative years ago. Let it be known that this is not my belief, just something that I thought could explain the phenomenon in a fun way:

Aliens are humans from the future. The reason why they look so different and so weak is from generations and generations of evolution in the direction we are going (Increasingly indoor lifestyle=pale skin, lack of muscle tone and large head=evolving from "primate" lifestyle to "computer nerd" lifestyle). In their time, there is something horribly wrong with their health, some kind of virus that has embedded in the actual genes of humanity. They have tracked the initial vector of the virus to a short period in human history, which happens to be now. They've had to travel to various times in history to do tests, hence the supposed sightings throughout human history. They discovered that the "virus" was introduced into the population through prions contained in the food supply, and narrowed down the main vector as commercial cattle. After extensive biopsies and necropsies on various samples of our meat supply (cattle mutilations), they narrowed the main outbreak to the 90's......

I never got that far with it.

you didnt read too much of this thread. A few of us have already brought up that it could be that.

[KnoxHarrington]

The thing is, it may be that faster-than-light travel is impossible, meaning that getting out to another inhabited planet, which would be at least 5-10 light years away, isn't going to happen.

My belief is this: I do believe that, given the almost infinite number of stars and planets out there, that life does exist elsewhere in the universe, and that it's probably evolved to intelligence. So, yes, there are aliens out there.

But the thing is, I don't think they're so different from us. I think that there's a planet about 500 light years away or so where people are posting to a message board for a show called Zaxro & Wharrt about whether or not there are aliens elsewhere in the universe. They're insect-like creatures with antennae and exoskeletons, but, basically, they're doing the same shit that you're doing right now.

That depresses me more than thinking that there's some super-evil alien race that will invade this planet and make us their slaves.

[Gvac]

Even if light-speed travel is impossible, there may be other ways to navigate the galaxy - "wormholes" and the like.

Or perhaps traveling at half the speed of light is possible for an advanced race. The nearest star to Earth is a little over 4 light years away. At that pace they could make it here in 8 years. Not terribly unlikely. And of course time is completely subjective. 8 years wouldn't seem like 8 years at all to them while they're in space and moving at such a speed.

Who the fuck knows?

[Snoogans]

The thing is, it may be that faster-than-light travel is impossible, meaning that getting out to another inhabited planet, which would be at least 5-10 light years away, isn't going to happen.

My belief is this: I do believe that, given the almost infinite number of stars and planets out there, that life does exist elsewhere in the universe, and that it's probably evolved to intelligence. So, yes, there are aliens out there.

But the thing is, I don't think they're so different from us. I think that there's a planet about 500 light years away or so where people are posting to a message board for a show called Zaxro & Wharrt about whether or not there are aliens elsewhere in the universe. They're insect-like creatures with antennae and exoskeletons, but, basically, they're doing the same shit that you're doing right now.

That depresses me more than thinking that there's some super-evil alien race that will invade this planet and make us their slaves.

Again with the faster than light travel. Its not about that if you are talkin parallel universes and shit. And like Gvac said, wormholes and shit. We can already make shit happen that is the very beginning, in theory, of actually doin that, so.

If I had to guess, I'd say its probably just future time travelers or something. But I like my magnetic energy gas station idea. So I'm gonna stick with that

[cougarjake13]

i do believe hat there are aliens out there


but i dont think that they have to be living on an earth like planet and need what humans and other animals on this planet need to survive




maybe on some disntant planet they dont need water like us, maybe some other liquid is their water and all the life on that planet needs that liquid like we need water


and who the hell knows what theyll look like, i dont think they'll look human at all, 2 arms, legs, eyes, etc. they'll rob look like something we cant even comprehend of

[Snoogans]

I was gonna go to the cliffs on the PIP tonight and get baked and watch the sky, but no one really wanted to go. Fuckin bums. Why dont most people enjoy lookin at the sky? I think that shit is pretty cool

Plus just chillin at the cliffs with a few beers and a blunt is pretty chill too

[TooLowBrow]

I was gonna go to the cliffs on the PIP tonight and get baked and watch the sky, but no one really wanted to go. Fuckin bums. Why dont most people enjoy lookin at the sky? I think that shit is pretty cool

Plus just chillin at the cliffs with a few beers and a blunt is pretty chill too

whats the PIP?


that shit sounds awesome

[Gvac]

I've been seriously thinking about buying a telescope for some time now. I regularly pull out my binoculars to look at various constellations and stars, as well as when planets are visible. There's only so much you can see, though.

I'm not looking for a top notch model, just something I can see Saturn's rings with, or the big red spot on Jupiter.

Who knows? Maybe I'll discover a comet or something.

[Snoogans]

whats the PIP?


that shit sounds awesome

Palisades Interstate Parkway. Its a small highway that runs along the hudson river on top of the cliffs on the west side. it has a few lookout spots where you can park and walk onto the cliffs basically. From the edge the river is prob 6-700 feet away but you can see the whole sky, not too many ground lights, and you can see for miles and miles up the river valley. Its actually pretty fuckin cool

[Snoogans]

I've been seriously thinking about buying a telescope for some time now. I regularly pull out my binoculars to look at various constellations and stars, as well as when planets are visible. There's only so much you can see, though.

I'm not looking for a top notch model, just something I can see Saturn's rings with, or the big red spot on Jupiter.

Who knows? Maybe I'll discover a comet or something.

Telescopres are sick. I wanted to go run my video camera on night mode and see if it picks up any stars or anything like that that human eyes can't actually see. That whole funny spectrum

[TooLowBrow]

Palisades Interstate Parkway. Its a small highway that runs along the hudson river on top of the cliffs on the west side. it has a few lookout spots where you can park and walk onto the cliffs basically. From the edge the river is prob 6-700 feet away but you can see the whole sky, not too many ground lights, and you can see for miles and miles up the river valley. Its actually pretty fuckin cool

i think ive been on the palasades going to visit relatives in orange nj

[Snoogans]

i think ive been on the palasades going to visit relatives in orange nj

thats the garden state parkway. Palisades runs north from the GWB along 9w and heads up toward west point

[TooLowBrow]

thats the garden state parkway. Palisades runs north from the GWB along 9w and heads up toward west point

oh. would i have taken it to bear mountain?

[Gvac]

oh. would i have taken it to bear mountain?

That's the one.

[Snoogans]

oh. would i have taken it to bear mountain?

prob you went over the tappan zee and then took the thruway to the PIP yea. You never actually came to Jersey.



Anyway, At least Gvac and myself will be going to the cliff spot next sunday night, being the summer solstice. Anyone who wants to join, we are gonna prob get there around 10pm to make sure its dark and just chill, watch the sky, BS and the like. Since I dont know the names of all the spots, the easiest way to do it is go to the first lookout lot on the north side that you see in NY. So im gonna get on the PIP south, pass into Jersey, make a u turn and stop at the first lookout lot. Whatever one that is is where anyone who wants to should go. Or PM me to figure it out

[Gvac]

This is gonna be fun.

Staring at the sky on the summer solstice.

I hope it's a clear night.

For all of you who always say you're too broke to hang out at the bar nights, there's no excuse for not coming next weekend. Totally FREE!

[TooLowBrow]

prob you went over the tappan zee and then took the thruway to the PIP yea. You never actually came to Jersey.



Anyway, At least Gvac and myself will be going to the cliff spot next sunday night, being the summer solstice. Anyone who wants to join, we are gonna prob get there around 10pm to make sure its dark and just chill, watch the sky, BS and the like. Since I dont know the names of all the spots, the easiest way to do it is go to the first lookout lot on the north side that you see in NY. So im gonna get on the PIP south, pass into Jersey, make a u turn and stop at the first lookout lot. Whatever one that is is where anyone who wants to should go. Or PM me to figure it out

i wanna do this. but i know id get wrecked and never be able to drive home

[Snoogans]

fuck i fucked up. They are all in NJ. OK, we are gonna meet at Rockerfeller lookout point. Again PM me if you need info but, its on the PIP north, ROCKERFELLER lookout point

Rockefeller Lookout
Northbound Palisades Interstate Parkway (about 1 mi. north of Exit 1)
Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632
201 768-1360 (general information)

Site Description

A pull-off overlook with scenic views of the Hudson River, northern Manhattan, Spuyten Duyvil, and the southern Bronx. Named in honor of John D. Rockefeller Jr. for his role in preserving the the lands on the summit of the Palisades and creating the Palisades Interstate Parkway.

I was gonna do it at state line but its a real park so they may close gates. Rockerfeller is just a pull off lot on the right like a rest area with no buildings. so its always open

[Snoogans]

i wanna do this. but i know id get wrecked and never be able to drive home

yea we usually drink, though i usually go to a smaller lookout. Because the main point is to actually check out shit, i figure this time we will go to a bigger, better spot. It'll be late so you can bring a cooler but dont be too nuts about it for anyone who comes cause cops do stop in there sometimes. They wont really ever kick you out though

[hedges]

Y'all should see the stars out here in northern Arizona. At 7000 ft. with barely any city lights, it's the shit.

[Snoogans]

also i figure set a meet up time of 10pm. 10 Pm rockerfeller lookout point. Ballin

[sailor]

also i figure set a meet up time of 10pm. 10 Pm rockerfeller lookout point. Ballin

nice view, but stop spyin' on riverdale. (ridiculously large image to follow)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2130/2060833404_ce891309c8_o.jpg

[Furtherman]

UFOs filmed over Arizona. (http://www.dailymotion.com/search/ufo/video/xafo84_ufo-filmed-over-arizona_tech)

This is some damn good footage.... of some unidentified flying objects. They also change formation and color.

[JohnCharles]

Illegals?

http://adailychaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/aztlan_illegals_time_06of6_border_jump_fence.jpg

[brettmojo]

Whatever happened to that video some guy got of an alien peaking in his window or whatever?

[Snoogans]

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[Snoogans]

apparently it was just a guy in an alien costume goin around fuckin with people

[Furtherman]

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[Snoogans]

you title changin bastards

[Snoogans]

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[Snoogans]

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NEW YORK, Oct. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- Computer hacker Gary McKinnon could be
facing 70 years in prison for hacking into government UFO files. He should
have just waited until Monday, October 19th @ 9 p.m. ET/PT when investigative
filmmaker James Fox (of FCZ Media) provides answers on the UFO phenomenon in
his feature-length documentary I Know What I Saw airing exclusively on The
History Channel

[TonyStark]

Every time I see one of these shows I conclude it's totally ridiculous and say I'm not going to watch another one, but a new one comes out, and there I am watching it again.

I will definitely watch this History Channel thing.

[Furtherman]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/US/10/15/colorado.boy.balloon/t1home.balloon.kusa.jpg

[FrogSlayer]

I see what you did there.

[Furtherman]

Bump! Discussing now..

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This aired on the History Channel last night and I cannot recommend it enough if you like the UFO stories. Although these aren't stories. The evidence they present through credible witnesses is unbelievable. It'll leave you with no doubt that there are some strange objects flying around and checking us out - but who they are, no one can answer.

[Furtherman]

After extensive biopsies and necropsies on various samples of our meat supply (cattle mutilations), they narrowed the main outbreak to the 90's.......



No answers yet for calf mutilations near San Luis (http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/11/26/news/local/doc4b0e0598ecb82177925756.txt)

A string of calf mutilations earlier this month have left a local rancher and law enforcement scratching their heads.

Rancher Manuel Sanchez has had four calves mutilated over a three-week span in a pasture he leases near Los Vallejos, just southeast of here, with the most recent victim coming on Nov. 16.

In each case, Sanchez found his calves with skin peeled back and organs cleaned out from the rib cage.

He found no signs of human attackers such as ATV tracks or footprints in the pasture that's guarded by two locked gates.

Nor did he find any evidence of animal predators such as a coyote or a mountain lion. There were no blood pools near the animals, or drag marks on the ground. "There's nothing really to go by," said Sanchez, who's ranched for nearly 50 years. "I can't figure it out."

[JohnCharles]

Here's the best part of this story, the comments and when people quote respond to the comments.

Sandra wrote: "Sounds to me like it's time to keep someone with the cattle at all times to keep an eye on them. And set up some cameras.


The response:

It's already been tried.

The watcher will be hypnotized into a deep sleep and the cameras and recorders will all malfunction mysteriously.

You only get to see them if they want you to.

Space alien cattle rustlers who are capable of interstellar and/or multidimensional travel are not going to get caught by some ignorant sheriff's deputy or strung up at a necktie party by local ranchers.

Boys, they're out of your league.

Simply amazing.

[KingGeno]

I stared at a UFO last night for a while. It ended up being a star.

[Marc with a c]

Hi..
That is really cool and the information you should share regarding the UFO and Aliens i am interested in that..
Thanks for sharing the post..

my favorite band is no doubt.

[hanso]

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[Furtherman]

Eight UFO cases that generate buzz (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34940931/from/ET?pg=1&GT1=43001#Tech_UFOBuzz)

Investigators see references to rockets and aliens going back 6,000 years

[hanso]

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Check out the facial hair on the guy in this video.

[hanso]

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[Jughead]

Hanso Im not going to sleep tonight..Where do you find this stuff..And are you from Earth..I love your post Jug:smile:

[hanso]

Disclose.tv

[Furtherman]

Stephen Hawking has suggested that aliens almost certainly exist but has warned humanity not to try to contact them. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7631252/Stephen-Hawking-alien-life-is-out-there-scientist-warns.html)

"I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach."

[A.J.]

Stephen Hawking has suggested that aliens almost certainly exist but has warned humanity not to try to contact them. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7631252/Stephen-Hawking-alien-life-is-out-there-scientist-warns.html)

We did 30 years ago.

http://astronautics.usc.edu/assets/001/52280.jpg

http://teacherknowledge.wikispaces.com/file/view/PioneerPlaque.gif/30290048/PioneerPlaque.gif

[Furtherman]

My god Bones, what have we done?

[CaptainBlowhole]

What does he suggest now that we have been transmitting our presence into interstellar space for almost a hundred years? Recall those radio and tv signals? Seems kind of a silly announcement from such a smart guy.

[Furtherman]

What does he suggest now that we have been transmitting our presence into interstellar space for almost a hundred years? Recall those radio and tv signals? Seems kind of a silly announcement from such a smart guy.

Actually, our signals do not travel out forever. In fact, they don't get very far at all before disintegrating, so all that talk about aliens watching I Love Lucy is just a urban (or would that be cosmic?) myth.

[A.J.]

My god Bones, what have we done?

We're going to be sorry some day.

http://powellsays.com/blog/image.axd?picture=Vger1.JPG

[StanUpshaw]

Actually, our signals do not travel out forever. In fact, they don't get very far at all before disintegrating, so all that talk about aliens watching I Love Lucy is just a urban (or would that be cosmic?) myth.

But how far away could it be recognized that this planet is emitting at least curious EM noise? With advanced enough equipment, it could be thousands of light years.

[Furtherman]

But how far away could it be recognized that this planet is emitting at least curious EM noise? With advanced enough equipment, it could be thousands of light years.

Not sure, but I guess they would have to recognize a signal that isn't occurring naturally.

[foodcourtdruide]

Stephen Hawking has suggested that aliens almost certainly exist but has warned humanity not to try to contact them. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7631252/Stephen-Hawking-alien-life-is-out-there-scientist-warns.html)

He watched Independence Day and thought it was real. His next quote was:

"We will need to transmit a virus to their mothership that can disrupt their signal and bring down their shields. The virus will amazingly have the ability to infect an alien OS without having to be physically plugged in to it, and will take less than 24 hours to write."

[StanUpshaw]

Not sure, but I guess they would have to recognize a signal that isn't occurring naturally.

We've done it, so it should be a snap for interstellar voyagers.

[brettmojo]

We did 30 years ago.

http://astronautics.usc.edu/assets/001/52280.jpg

http://teacherknowledge.wikispaces.com/file/view/PioneerPlaque.gif/30290048/PioneerPlaque.gif
They should have etched a chick with bigger honkers.

[hanso]

What does he suggest now that we have been transmitting our presence into interstellar space for almost a hundred years? Recall those radio and tv signals? Seems kind of a silly announcement from such a smart guy.

I can't even get the radio station I want from the next county.

[hanso]

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This one is very low to the ground.

[StanUpshaw]

The fucking chutzpah of those little green bastards.

[Furtherman]

A big push in Europe to declassify alleged cover-ups, yet it's still under "wierd news".

EU Lawmaker Calls for End to UFO Secrecy (http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/eu-lawmaker-mario-borghezio-calls-for-end-to-ufo-secrecy/19526367)

Borghezio hopes this will result in the establishment of a European UFO commission. According to the text of the June 14 declaration, "Many members of the scientific community have been looking into the issue of UFOs and have denounced the systematic covering-up of information on the subject. ... a study of the material collected by the governments of all the member states would have major scientific and technological spinoffs." UFOs have been a previous topic of discussion in the European Parliament.

[A.J.]

Mario Borghezio, leader of the Italian Northern League party

Lega Nord. This makes sense now.

[StanUpshaw]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Borghezio

In July 2005, Borghezio was found guilty of arson, for having set fire to the pallets of some immigrants while they were sleeping under a bridge in Turin during a vigilante raid. For this he was sentenced to two months and twenty days, which converted into a fine of €3,040.

Couldn't have picked a better face for the UFO tards if I tried.

[Furtherman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Borghezio



Couldn't have picked a better face for the UFO tards if I tried.

Mario Borghezio (born on 3 December 1947 in Turin) is an Italian politician, often accused of having xenophobic ideas.

No wonder he wants disclosure.... he wants to kill them all!!!

[StanUpshaw]

He and WF would get along spectacularly.

[Willmore]

He and WF would get along spectacularly.

I didn't know that Whatley, Fez was a xenophobe.

[hanso]

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The alt. end of Cocoon the movie?

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Bubba alien

[Furtherman]

Former military officers to speak out in Washington on UFOs that disabled nukes (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915)

For years, military officers at nuclear missile sites in America have been reporting "disk shaped" UFOs that hover near their facilities and often wreak havoc with the weapons. Now, a group of former military officers are convening at the National Press Club in Washington this Monday to give a report on their observations of UFOs, and to demand answers from the government. According to a report from AP:

One of them, ICBM launch officer Captain Robert Salas, was on duty during one missile disruption incident at Malmstrom Air Force Base and was ordered to never discuss it. Another participant, retired Col. Charles Halt, observed a disc-shaped object directing beams of light down into the RAF Bentwaters airbase in England and heard on the radio that they landed in the nuclear weapons storage area. Both men will provide stunning details about these events, and reveal how the U.S. military responded.

Captain Salas notes, "The U.S. Air Force is lying about the national security implications of unidentified aerial objects at nuclear bases and we can prove it." Col. Halt adds, "I believe that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted-both then and now-to subvert the significance of what occurred at RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."


So... what could it have been?

[Snoogans]

Former military officers to speak out in Washington on UFOs that disabled nukes (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915)

For years, military officers at nuclear missile sites in America have been reporting "disk shaped" UFOs that hover near their facilities and often wreak havoc with the weapons. Now, a group of former military officers are convening at the National Press Club in Washington this Monday to give a report on their observations of UFOs, and to demand answers from the government. According to a report from AP:




So... what could it have been?

i have heard alot about this. They interviews on history channel some former weapons base guard who said that a UFO stopped over a nuclear missle silo and turned everything on so they could disable the equipment. The guy said it took them like 2 weeks to fix everything and make the silo servicable again.

Im going to guess that either we, as humans, or this planet as it is has some value to aliens or some connection. If anything I would guess they know us well enough to know we arent responsible enough for those and they are probably trying to keep us from fucking everything up

[hanso]

I saw a video on something like this. But it was in flight. The guy that headed up some launch. Was called in and asked what was going on. He didn't know it had even happened. That a ufo was shooting beams at the top of the missle many times over.

[Chigworthy]

I had an alien dream this morning. Black tongues and aviator shades.

[hanso]

I saw a video on something like this. But it was in flight. The guy that headed up some launch. Was called in and asked what was going on. He didn't know it had even happened. That a ufo was shooting beams at the top of the missle many times over.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/55661/U_S__Nuclear_Weapons_Have_Been_Compromised_By_UFO/

[Furtherman]

They're all liars! They all saw weather balloons! Weather balloons that could disable electronics!

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Are we about to get full disclosure about the presence of UFOs on Earth? (http://io9.com/5649502/are-we-about-to-get-full-disclosure-about-the-presence-of-ufos-on-earth)

[Misteriosa]

discuss the most difficult places for aliens to invade here :happy:

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88583

[Furtherman]

WTF is going on over there in China? Three airports this year closed due to UFO activity.


Astonished officials say it then zoomed in to circle the airport before suddenly vanishing.

Three flights from Chinese cities Beijing and Shanghai were diverted to nearby airports.

It is the THIRD mysterious UFO sighting this year to have resulted in Chinese airfields being closed. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3165067/UFO-closes-an-airport-in-China.html)

[A.J.]

I'm surprised they can see anything through that shitty air.

[Willmore]

WTF is going on over there in China? Three airports this year closed due to UFO activity.

The Chinese Military R&D has been expanding rapidly. In the 90s they acquired tons of Russian plane research material and are now expanding on it. They have the resources and so they are experimenting. I think it's comparable to what the US was doing in the 60s-70s.

[Snoogans]

the aliens are makin sure china doesnt get out of hand. we must be important to them as a planet and I think they are making sure we dont fuck it up. It seems to be that in the past the UFO sightings have increases in countries that began to have big economies or step up in weapons. Russia would always get a ton, us, Asian countries now. They are making sure we dont get out of control

[Furtherman]

Former military officers to speak out in Washington on UFOs that disabled nukes (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS166901+15-Sep-2010+PRN20100915)

For years, military officers at nuclear missile sites in America have been reporting "disk shaped" UFOs that hover near their facilities and often wreak havoc with the weapons. Now, a group of former military officers are convening at the National Press Club in Washington this Monday to give a report on their observations of UFOs, and to demand answers from the government. According to a report from AP:




So... what could it have been?


Newspaper clipping from 1/19/79, front page of Washington Post:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PXeDY3KOwgA/TKo8bwGpuTI/AAAAAAAAFuI/8VkH4b8OgtA/s1600/What+Were+Those+Mysterious+Craft+By+Ward+Sinclair+ and+Art+Harris+The+Washington+Post+1-19-1979.jpg

[Chigworthy]

Intergalactic Eco Police

[StanUpshaw]

Long, tubular object near Bootee. :dry:

[Furtherman]

I am so taking Thursday off. Party at Bar 9 this Wednesday night!

Former NORAD officer reports alien disclosure date: October 13, 2010 (http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-national/former-norad-officer-reports-alien-disclosure-date-october-13-2010)

October 13, 2010, is the disclosure date where mankind will have no doubt that aliens are among us, according to a book by a former NORAD officer.

Retired Air Force Officer Stanley A. Fulham released the third edition of his 352-page book, Challenges of Change, which suggests that on October 13 there will be "a massive UFO display over the world's principal cities."

The author predicts that the "aliens will neither land nor communicate on that date; they are aware from eons of experience with other planets in similar conditions their sudden intervention would cause fear and panic."

[A.J.]

I am so taking Thursday off. Party at Bar 9 this Wednesday night!

Bar 9 From Outer Space?

[Furtherman]

Bar 9 From Outer Space?

http://www.littleblackstar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/plan9.jpg

YESSSSSSSSSS

[Snoogans]

i got work wednesday night til like 8-830, but if anyone is seriously up for it, ill head down for a couple hours for old times sake and some UFOs.

However, I had a better idea. The city is too bright, too many buildings. We should find a nice dark place in jersey with a view of the sky over NYC. Maybe like those cliff lookout spots along Rt 9 in Apline or englewood cliffs or whatever. Bring some beers, whatever else we need, go there, and watch the happenings

[Snoogans]

The book "reports this event will be the initial interaction in a process leading to mankind's acceptance of the alien reality and technologies for the removal of poisonous gases from the earth's atmosphere in 2015, if not sooner."

Why not just come here wednesday and extract the poisonous gasses from the air. Im pretty sure if they did that, Humans would have no problem accepting them

[Furtherman]

However, I had a better idea. The city is too bright, too many buildings. We should find a nice dark place in jersey with a view of the sky over NYC. Maybe like those cliff lookout spots along Rt 9 in Apline or englewood cliffs or whatever. Bring some beers, whatever else we need, go there, and watch the invasion

Fixed.

[brettmojo]

I knew taking this week off was meant something. I ate mashed potatoes everyday last week.

[Furtherman]

I am so taking Thursday off. Party at Bar 9 this Wednesday night!

Former NORAD officer reports alien disclosure date: October 13, 2010 (http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-national/former-norad-officer-reports-alien-disclosure-date-october-13-2010)

Anyone see any yet?

[Snoogans]

Anyone see any yet?

i would think they would wait til its dark, no?

[StanUpshaw]

It's dark somewhere.

[Furtherman]

Anyone see any yet?

Some did.


Mystery shiny objects floating over Manhattan spark UFO frenzy (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/13/2010-10-13_mystery_shiny_objects_floating_over_manhattan_s park_ufo_frenzy.html#ixzz12L1yGQY7)

[brettmojo]

Some did.


Mystery shiny objects floating over Manhattan spark UFO frenzy (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/10/13/2010-10-13_mystery_shiny_objects_floating_over_manhattan_s park_ufo_frenzy.html#ixzz12L1yGQY7)
http://lavenderdisaster.com/lj_pics/meme/upnsport.gif

[StanUpshaw]

I thought aliens would have come from the sky towards the earth. Turns out it's the other way around.

Boy is my face red.

[Chigworthy]

I thought aliens would have come from the sky towards the earth. Turns out it's the other way around.

Boy is my face red.

At least it's not grey

[Furtherman]

OK... balloons or not..... check out the side by side comparison between NYC and El Paso.

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[Snoogans]

OK... balloons or not..... check out the side by side comparison between NYC and El Paso.

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i thought the aliens were gonna do this in major cities. El Paso? Really?

[A.J.]

i thought the aliens were gonna do this in major cities. El Paso? Really?

There are already a lot of aliens in and near the border towns.

[disneyspy]

el paso and juarez have about 2 million people between them

[Furtherman]

i thought the aliens were gonna do this in major cities. El Paso? Really?

The last time they were here, the Paleoindians had a major city in El Paso.

[Snoogans]

el paso and juarez have about 2 million people between them

ok. and.....First of all, thats kinda cheating. Its not like combining the population of Dallas and fort Worth for one city. those are 2 different countries. You need a passport to go back and forth. You cant really count that as 1 area.

Besides, 2 million people isnt really that much. There are many more major cities just in texas. These aliens are fuckin stupid

[Snoogans]

The last time they were here, the Paleoindians had a major city in El Paso.

if you go by that, then last time they were here, there was like 47 people in manhattan.

[Furtherman]

if you go by that, then last time they were here, there was like 47 people in manhattan.

Something old, something new.

[disneyspy]

Something old, something new.

something borrowed, that you blew

[brettmojo]

OK... balloons or not..... check out the side by side comparison between NYC and El Paso.

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WTF?

[foodcourtdruide]

I just wanted everyone to know my entire office uses this thread as our one-stop source for UFO and Alien news.

[Snoogans]

maybe next time these fuckers can land and actually do something useful. Im sure they could figure out how to get better AM radio reception in my car. Help us out. You just come here, fly around and then leave? What the fuck kinda hello is that?

[foodcourtdruide]

maybe next time these fuckers can land and actually do something useful. Im sure they could figure out how to get better AM radio reception in my car. Help us out. You just come here, fly around and then leave? What the fuck kinda hello is that?

That's what makes this all so unbelievable. Have you ever played StarCraft? Sure, you use some type of air unit to scout the other races... but eventually you destroy things.

[A.J.]

maybe next time these fuckers can land and actually do something useful. Im sure they could figure out how to get better AM radio reception in my car. Help us out. You just come here, fly around and then leave? What the fuck kinda hello is that?

Maybe they're following The Prime Directive: non-interference.

[disneyspy]

Maybe they're following The Prime Directive: non-interference.

or they're waiting to see how THE EVENT turns out

[Snoogans]

Maybe they're following The Prime Directive: non-interference.

thats what im hoping for, some non interference on my fuckin am radio

[TripleSkeet]

thats what im hoping for, some non interference on my fuckin am radio

:lol::lol::lol:

[Chigworthy]

ok. and.....First of all, thats kinda cheating. Its not like combining the population of Dallas and fort Worth for one city. those are 2 different countries. You need a passport to go back and forth. You cant really count that as 1 area.

Besides, 2 million people isnt really that much. There are many more major cities just in texas. These aliens are fuckin stupid

From the air, it is one city. And the murder rate is sky high, so that would be fun to watch from a UFO.

[Furtherman]

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[Chigworthy]

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Dude, it's a kite with leds man.

[PapaBear]

Those people are soooo stoned!

[keithy_19]

Those people are soooo stoned!

I'd expect that in West Virginia, but in Richmond? Blasphemy!

[PapaBear]

I'd expect that in West Virginia, but in Richmond? Blasphemy!
You've obviously never been to Richmond. Try spending some time in the Fan District around VCU sometime. Fun place!

[hanso]

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Puma Punku

[Chigworthy]

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Puma Punku

Automatic credibility fail based on brown leather vest.

[Gutter]

Abandoned Monument in Bulgaria or Abandoned alien space ship in Bulgaria?

http://www.barnorama.com/abandoned-monument-in-bulgaria/

http://masspanicatomic.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/buzludzha4.jpg?w=497&h=372

http://www.lindaferrari.it/reportages/monumenti/02.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q-PuSGjFHvY/SU2YZ6MyE6I/AAAAAAAAC4I/prtf7Gr2p-A/s640/4524932.jpg

[hanso]

Automatic credibility fail based on brown leather vest.

And he talks funny. New show was on the other night. This was from last season.

[A.J.]

Abandoned Monument in Bulgaria or Abandoned alien space ship in Bulgaria?

http://www.barnorama.com/abandoned-monument-in-bulgaria/

http://masspanicatomic.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/buzludzha4.jpg?w=497&h=372

http://www.lindaferrari.it/reportages/monumenti/02.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Q-PuSGjFHvY/SU2YZ6MyE6I/AAAAAAAAC4I/prtf7Gr2p-A/s640/4524932.jpg

Looks like the Romulan Senate.

[hanso]

Look's like it would be good for a concert.

[StanUpshaw]

If by "concert" you mean "Obama rally" then yes.

[Furtherman]

It's been done to death, but this is really funny:

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[hanso]

Look's like it would be good for a concert.

UFO could play there.

[Furtherman]

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[Furtherman]

Wikileaks To Release UFO Bombshell (http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/wikileaks-to-release-ufo-bomshell)

A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for President Medvedev by Russian Space Forces (VKS) 45th Division of Space Control says that an upcoming WikiLeaks release of secret US cables details that the Americans have been “engaged” since 2004 in a “war” against UFO’s based on or near the Continent of Antarctica, particularly the Southern Ocean.

This report goes on to state that after WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange warned last week that he would begin releasing secret US cables relating to these Southern Ocean UFO’s, and the Americans “war” against them, he was immediately arrested by British Police on trumped up charges issued by the Swedish government which in our December 8th report, Global Rebellion Erupts After “Unprotected Sex Meets Disrobed Governments”, we noted were engineered against him as a “classic” CIA “Honey Trap”.

Intergalactic war! I knew it! Wikileaks never lies! You heard it here first!!!

http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/u/ufo-abducted-smile.gif

[midwestjeff]

We don't really use Antarctica anyway.

I say let them have it.

[A.J.]

Resistance is futile.

[Willmore]

Wikileaks To Release UFO Bombshell (http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/wikileaks-to-release-ufo-bomshell)



Intergalactic war! I knew it! Wikileaks never lies! You heard it here first!!!

http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/u/ufo-abducted-smile.gif

Wasn't that a plot from the Stargate SG-1 film?

[Furtherman]

Wasn't that a plot from the Stargate SG-1 film?

Yes! The Ancients secret base under the ice! It's true!

[hanso]

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Good luck with the UFO bro.

[Furtherman]

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[hanso]

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Would ya!?

[Furtherman]

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[cougarjake13]

looked interesting enough

other than a disk its hard to tell what it is


im sure its just a weather balloon

[brettmojo]

<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0VW49YKs0UM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[cougarjake13]

im sure we could take thousands of logos and all see something in them

[Crash]

im sure we could take thousands of logos and all see something in them

YEAH!! LET'S DO THAT MOTHER FUCKERS!!!

Oh wait...

...that's not what you meant.

I get it.


Never mind.

[keithy_19]

im sure we could take thousands of logos and all see something in them

AND CREATE AN ARMY OF ALIENS!? ARE YOU NUTS!?

[Chigworthy]

Quick, someone make a reptilian out of a McDonalds logo!

[keithy_19]

Quick, someone make a reptilian out of a McDonalds logo!

:lol:

[brettmojo]

Quick, someone make a reptilian out of a McDonalds logo!
That's just silly. Everyone knows that McDonald's is run by crab people. Jesus.

[cougarjake13]

AND CREATE AN ARMY OF ALIENS!? ARE YOU NUTS!?

theyre already here so whats the diff

[Furtherman]

Fireball UFO Spotted in Mexico (Videos) (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/science/fireball-ufo-spotted-in-mexico-videos-58631.html)

Great videos.


Especially the ones where - whatever they are - change trajectory mid-flight??

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[Gutter]

Baxter, you know I don't speak Spanish.

[Furtherman]

Baxter, you know I don't speak Spanish.

:laugh:

[hanso]

I knew Apple was evil long ago.

[cougarjake13]

I knew Apple was evil long ago.

why didnt u tell us ??

[Snoogans]

yea that whole bettin on sports and internet gambling thing is workin out well for those companies

[hanso]

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[Furtherman]

The show is over folks! The White House has finally answered the question.

Official White House Response to: formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race. (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/searching-et-no-evidence-yet)

The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race. In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye.

[Misteriosa]

tsss... tss.. like they are ever gonna admit to the secret alien autopsies in the black helicopters. cattle mutilations are nothing to look at folks.. there's no human alien hybrids being worked on here... tsss...tsss

[Furtherman]

I can't wait to hear Rush Limbaugh's rant about Obama lying again. He'll have to support the notion that there is an alien base on the dark side of the moon.

[cougarjake13]

tsss... tss.. like they are ever gonna admit to the secret alien autopsies in the black helicopters. cattle mutilations are nothing to look at folks.. there's no human alien hybrids being worked on here... tsss...tsss

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1312587787350&id=0b08b195ae20cb3e442ba5a57b84f136&url=http%3a%2f%2fa4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com%2fprofile01%2f140%2fde239c19 0e0a470881cecb54102cc1c7%2fp.gif

[hanso]

I can't wait to hear Rush Limbaugh's rant about Obama lying again. He'll have to support the notion that there is an alien base on the dark side of the moon.

He is the alien with all the hillbilly heroin he takes.

[Furtherman]

I'm sure there is a rational explaination for this.... but until we get it.... you gotta admit, this is a cool video on this link.

Awesome NASA Video Captures What Looks Like an Alien Spaceship (http://gizmodo.com/5865808/nasa-satellites-camera-captures-unidentified-object-near-mercury)

[Melrapuo]

Well the scientist's explanation for the image as a bleeding residual does make sense, but that second video from a different angle showing the same thing kinda screws that up.

Right?

Amirite?

Jeez I hope so.

[Judge Smails]

I'm sure there is a rational explaination for this.... but until we get it.... you gotta admit, this is a cool video on this link.

Awesome NASA Video Captures What Looks Like an Alien Spaceship (http://gizmodo.com/5865808/nasa-satellites-camera-captures-unidentified-object-near-mercury)

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/12/0ad48985e24c3e1900f4b25a753ecf8f.jpg

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/picture/JRod90/mooninites.jpg

[brettmojo]

We're doomed.

[Snoogans]

i watched it, and it never even made me think it was a UFO for one second. Most likely, it was part of the solar flair lighting up a part of mercury's magnetic field that coned out during the solar wind. it happens alot, but usually we dont get pictures of it cause it would normally happen on the far side of the closer planets, from our point of view

[Judge Smails]

i watched it, and it never even made me think it was a UFO for one second. Most likely, it was part of the solar flair lighting up a part of mercury's magnetic field that coned out during the solar wind. it happens alot, but usually we dont get pictures of it cause it would normally happen on the far side of the closer planets, from our point of view

Also, you're forgetting the fact that Mercury is well known to be hollow and this is probably just an echo caused by gas escaping from below the surface.

[CountryBob]

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Is this truly the video that UFO skeptics have been dreading? Actually, a compilation of 17-month-old video clips from a Chilean military air show is stirring up predictable responses from both sides of the UFO debate, but no dread.

For those who are inclined to believe that some unidentified flying objects exhibit characteristics beyond what our technology seems capable of, the El Bosque case could represent the latest, greatest evidence for flying saucers.

"This is a very, very unusual case, and I'm hoping that this case will help move forward the recognition that there really is something here that's worthy of further study. ... It has the possibility of being a breakthrough case," said investigative journalist Leslie Kean, the author of the book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record."


The case goes back to an air show that was staged in November 2010, at Chile's Air Force academy, which is headquartered at the El Bosque Air Force Base in Santiago. Nothing untoward was noticed by anybody during the show itself, but Kean said an engineer at the nearby aircraft factory noticed an anomalous spot as he was sifting through video taken from the show, looking for an image that could be used as a poster photo.

The spot appeared to move quickly from frame to frame, and the engineer thought it looked enough like some sort of craft to notify the Chilean government agency in charge of investigating anomalous aerial phenomena, known by the Spanish acronym CEFAA.

The way Kean tells it, CEFAA investigators looked around for other video clips of the event and pieced together six additional views of the spot-shaped phenomena. Ricardo Bermudez, a retired Chilean Air Force general who is now CEFAA's director, told a UFO conference last month that his agency consulted with other officials, image-processing experts and "non-believer astronomers." CEFAA's conclusion was that the spots were caused by an object traveling through the scene at speeds in excess of 4,000 mph — so fast that it went unnoticed by air-show spectators.

"Humans inside this object could not survive," Kean and a co-author, former New York Times investigative reporter Ralph Blumenthal, wrote in a Huffington Post report appearing on Tuesday. "And, somehow, it made no sonic boom...

[BigRigRichard]

i believe in life somewhere out there, but dont know if we'll reach it my lifetime or even my daughter's lifetime. the arrogance of some religious people, if god made us what would stop him from creating more beings throughout the universe? besides, we cant get along on a message forum, how could we ever get along with beings not like ourselves?

[deliciousV]

i believe in life somewhere out there, but dont know if we'll reach it my lifetime or even my daughter's lifetime. the arrogance of some religious people, if god made us what would stop him from creating more beings throughout the universe? besides, we cant get along on a message forum, how could we ever get along with beings not like ourselves?

who are you to say we don't get along here? Huh? Fucker.

[Crispy123]

i believe in life somewhere out there, but dont know if we'll reach it my lifetime or even my daughter's lifetime. the arrogance of some religious people, if god made us what would stop him from creating more beings throughout the universe? besides, we cant get along on a message forum, how could we ever get along with beings not like ourselves?

Seriously, I mean their is an infinite number of gods creating and destroying an infinite number of realities. So yeah sure, aliens too.

[Furtherman]

The Cylons are here.

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[Furtherman]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/BCgk4n3PTmo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[hanso]

There is a ufo show with new eps on NGC every fri called chasing ufos.

[CountryBob]

Its just swamp gas in the shape of a flying horseshoe :smoke:

[S0S]

I once had a teacher who said she saw UFOs when she went outside one night to take out the trash. It made a few precise "L" shapes very very fast and then left.

She wasn't a very good teacher.

[hanso]

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Was Ant over there flying a RC drone?

[Furtherman]

The Space Jump is happening today in Roswell, NM. Balloon and capsule goes up, enters rift in time-space continuum, jump is made and balloon and capsule crash in 1947. You've got your mystery body, you've got your "weather balloon".

Circle complete.


http://i.space.com/images/i/19853/iFF/red-bull-stratos-manned-flight-2.jpg?1343234677

[A.J.]

Maybe the Vulcans will be passing by, see this and then make First Contact.

[cougarjake13]

I thought the kardashians made first contact

[Chigworthy]

The Space Jump is happening today in Roswell, NM. Balloon and capsule goes up, enters rift in time-space continuum, jump is made and balloon and capsule crash in 1947. You've got your mystery body, you've got your "weather balloon".

Circle complete.


http://i.space.com/images/i/19853/iFF/red-bull-stratos-manned-flight-2.jpg?1343234677

What if they are putting they alien corpses in todays balloon that they got out of the 1947 one? Think about that for a minute.

[Furtherman]

What if they are putting they alien corpses in todays balloon that they got out of the 1947 one? Think about that for a minute.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/x8w95xIdH4o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Chigworthy]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/x8w95xIdH4o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Did they really shoehorn a VW into that movie like that?

[hanso]

Isn't this space jump happening soon? I don't see anything that will be on tv

[deliciousV]

Isn't this space jump happening soon? I don't see anything that will be on tv

It's live on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/redbull

[cougarjake13]

Isn't this space jump happening soon? I don't see anything that will be on tv



it was on discovery

[hanso]

it was on discovery

Is it over? Got it on now.

yep it had the title still

[cougarjake13]

Is it over? Got it on now.

yep it had the title still


yeh he landed about 20 mins ago

[keithy_19]

yeh he landed about 20 mins ago

Exploded upon impact.

[PapaBear]

Exploded upon impact.
Landed on his feet.

[keithy_19]

Landed on his feet.

And now his shin bones have melded into his collar bone.

[hanso]

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[SonOfSmeagol]

I just don't get it. what possible business would intelligent beings have with us? here we sit on a speck of rock in an obscure solar system in a backwater galaxy...

[thepaulo]

I just don't get it. what possible business would intelligent beings have with us? here we sit on a speck of rock in an obscure solar system in a backwater galaxy...

True scientists have interest in even the lowliest of God's creatures.

[SonOfSmeagol]

True scientists have interest in even the lowliest of God's creatures.

yes they do! Alastair Reynolds spins some great tales in that regard

[Snoogans]

I just don't get it. what possible business would intelligent beings have with us? here we sit on a speck of rock in an obscure solar system in a backwater galaxy...

you are speaking of something, that while most likely somewhat valid, is still theoretical to us at this point, and yet you cant think of a single possible thing that would explain why they would want to contact us?

Oh like, maybe they made us as an experiment....or maybe they arent aliens, but time traveling future humans making sure we dont fuck things up. Or maybe just are curious what the fuck this new thing is they didnt know about. You cant think of anything?

[SonOfSmeagol]

you are speaking of something, that while most likely somewhat valid, is still theoretical to us at this point, and yet you cant think of a single possible thing that would explain why they would want to contact us?

Oh like, maybe they made us as an experiment....or maybe they arent aliens, but time traveling future humans making sure we dont fuck things up. Or maybe just are curious what the fuck this new thing is they didnt know about. You cant think of anything?

well I can think of stuff but don't know how likely it is. I'm just thinking that the universe is like 14B yrs old and we've been space traveling for 50. we have a lot to learn

[Snoogans]

well I can think of stuff but don't know how likely it is. I'm just thinking that the universe is like 14B yrs old and we've been space traveling for 50. we have a lot to learn

its 7600 years old and DONT YOU DONT INSULT TIM TEBOW LIKE THAT AGAIN

[SonOfSmeagol]

its 7600 years old and DONT YOU DONT INSULT TIM TEBOW LIKE THAT AGAIN

:laugh:

it's true! and god put all those dinosaur bones and old rocks and stuff here so we'd have something to ponder on, and just to show that god has a sense of humor too

[hanso]

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