Who Else Is Sick Of The Gay Marriage Talk?

[Gvac]

Enough already.

We get it.

Fez thinks gays should be able to marry.

NEXT!

[brettmojo]

x2.

[jab]

its the only topic he starts that isn't interrupted.

[SatCam]

Quite surprising considering he is a straight churchgoing man in a long term heterosexual relationship

[ToiletCrusher]

I would even go as far as to say that there isn't enough gay marriage talk.

I mean for OutQ to not talk about it more is crazy.

Whoops, this thread is about the Ron and Fez show.

[GreatAmericanZero]

http://www.angelkisses.com/Stone_Critters/Weddings_&_Angels/wed_sc-1026.jpg

[MadMatt]

It is an important issue, but the show doesn't need to dwell on it every day. It would be helpful if the issue was discussed intelligently, but that just doesn't happen.

[Gvac]

It would be helpful if the issue was discussed intelligently, but that just doesn't happen.

With whom...Ron, Fez, or the callers?

[ToiletCrusher]

How about Ray marriage?

I know a few guys named Ray who are engaged or married.

[RhinoinMN]

good idea tc! Im sure there are a few Clays out there getting hitched as well.

[Foster]

don't forget the Jays

[landarch]

Today was the first day in years that I missed the show, didn't record it, and didn't care. Gay marriage talk is the precice reason why.

[MadMatt]

With whom...Ron, Fez, or the callers?

Fez and most of the callers.

Fez cannot argue his points, largely making grand, inaccurate claims with nothing to back them up. He operates from emotion without regard for logic or an accurate gage of public opinion. And the discussion hasn’t changed or developed in weeks.

There are some good callers (the young lady that called today was outstanding), but most are pretty bad.

[Gvac]

Fez and most of the callers.

Fez cannot argue his points, largely making grand, inaccurate claims with nothing to back them up. He operates from emotion without regard for logic or an accurate gage of public opinion. And the discussion hasn’t changed or developed in weeks.

There are some good callers (the young lady that called today was outstanding), but most are pretty bad.

Could not have said it any better myself, MM.

If this is really going to be a pet issue for Mr. Whatley I wish he'd get involved with it outside of the show and then give regular updates or whatever as to the progress being made.

To discuss the exact same points ad nauseum is draining.

[IamFogHat]

Enough already.

We get it.

Fez thinks gays should be able to marry.

NEXT!

Fag.


You're not a moose are you?

[led37zep]

As much as I'm also bored with the predictable nature and gay issue segment of the show its 50% his show.

If Fez wants to bring up those topics and those stories despite the fact that a large portion of audience doesn't care...that's his right. We all get to sit through it, or change the channel.

[Gvac]

As much as I'm also bored with the predictable nature and gay issue segment of the show its 50% his show.

If Fez wants to bring up those topics and those stories despite the fact that a large portion of audience doesn't care...that's his right. We all get to sit through it, or change the channel.

I never said he didn't have a right to. I asked a question, gave my opinion, and asked for the opinions from my fellow board members - are you sick of the gay marriage talk?

This board is nothing without people giving their opinions.

[Patient zer0]

I'm done with the talk. I have never switched off ron n fez before. Untill today.
It seems that for the past 2 weeks its been the shame show. Same convos and same bringing it right back to fez and his stance on the issue.

Every show it always seems to be the flip back to fez and his fucking problems. He knows everyone knows he's gay. He just needs to say it. Hell, ron everyday inches more and more towards it with his slight comments and an agreement from fez.

Rant over. I love the show and the guys but feel its starting a slow demise.

[Gvac]

I'm done with the talk. I have never switched off ron n fez before. Untill today.
It seems that for the past 2 weeks its been the shame show. Same convos and same bringing it right back to fez and his stance on the issue.

Every show it always seems to be the flip back to fez and his fucking problems. He knows everyone knows he's gay. He just needs to say it. Hell, ron everyday inches more and more towards it with his slight comments and an agreement from fez.

Rant over. I love the show and the guys but feel its starting a slow demise.

Wow. Someone giving an honest opinion!

Thanks.

[led37zep]

I never said he didn't have a right to. I asked a question, gave my opinion, and asked for the opinions from my fellow board members - are you sick of the gay marriage talk?

This board is nothing without people giving their opinions.

I like to cast a wide net and state the obvious sometimes.

[instrument]

its sorta of like playing basketball with a retard i guess, even ron will let the tard score a couple of points, even if it is the same lay up each time.

[Gvac]

I like to cast a wide net and state the obvious sometimes.

HA!

I just wonder why people will post for pages and pages about bagels and hangers but when it comes to show discussion everyone is afraid to give their opinion.

Everyone knows Ron and Fez read this board; hell, Fez even posts here.

Don't you think they like getting feedback?

Sometimes I think people fear talking openly and honestly about the show because they're afraid Ron and/or Fez won't like them if they say something negative.

[disneyspy]

HA!

I just wonder why people will post for pages and pages about bagels and hangers but when it comes to show discussion everyone is afraid to give their opinion.

Everyone knows Ron and Fez read this board; hell, Fez even posts here.

Don't you think they like getting feedback?

Sometimes I think people fear talking openly and honestly about the show because they're afraid Ron and/or Fez won't like them if they say something negative.

dont ask questions,someone will run to ron with this,we should all just have each others phone numbers and talk

[Patient zer0]

The show is great. But they need a new angle or gimmick. I just don't know how long they can ride a dead horse.

Fez god love him, just needs to either stop with his problems on air. We've heard it for years. Come out of the closet or stop with the gay talks. The shows demographic audience isn't homosexual males and females.

I know its somewhat of a current event. But fuck me, 2 weeks already!

Ron is fucking brilliant. But needs to step up and take the show under his wing and save it from destruction.

[MadMatt]

HA!

I just wonder why people will post for pages and pages about bagels and hangers but when it comes to show discussion everyone is afraid to give their opinion.

Everyone knows Ron and Fez read this board; hell, Fez even posts here.

Don't you think they like getting feedback?

Sometimes I think people fear talking openly and honestly about the show because they're afraid Ron and/or Fez won't like them if they say something negative.

Unfortunately, to some people asking questions and having a different opinion count as "negativity."

[Gvac]

Unfortunately, to some people asking questions and having a different opinion count as "negativity."

True, but we can't worry what others think...right?

[MadMatt]

True, but we can't worry what others think...right?

You're preaching to the choir. I was just offering an explanation as to why more people don't offer their own opinions. :tongue:

[biozombie]

is Fezzie ever going to stop blending in?

[Recyclerz]

The show is great. But they need a new angle or gimmick. I just don't know how long they can ride a dead horse.

Fez god love him, just needs to either stop with his problems on air. We've heard it for years. Come out of the closet or stop with the gay talks. The shows demographic audience isn't homosexual males and females.

I know its somewhat of a current event. But fuck me, 2 weeks already!

Ron is fucking brilliant. But needs to step up and take the show under his wing and save it from destruction.

Ya know that sappy story about the one set of footprints in the sand? The real version is that those footprints are Ron's, having carried the show (and all of us) for these last few years. I think we can rest easy in that whatever Ron decides to do with the show we'll be entertained.

[Gvac]

You're preaching to the choir. I was just offering an explanation as to why more people don't offer their own opinions. :tongue:

Oh I knew exactly what you meant!

[aquamonkey]

its the only topic he starts that isn't interrupted.

This is a really good point. I'd have to agree. I'd prefer to hear where some of the other things Fez tries to bring up might go instead of the broken record that is the gay marriage discussion.

[stormy1065]

Fez is just afraid to say he's gay. He thinks if the world is made to except us queers when you guys call in and ask him what come taste like it won't bother him. It would help the show if he would just come out already. It's not a secret anyway! Just add queer to that long list of phobias he has made for himself and doesn't do anything to try to change any of them. it's really sad.

[Serpico1103]

Enough already.

We get it.

Fez thinks gays should be able to marry.

NEXT!

Put it in the same file as "Gvac doesn't like the way Mikeyboy runs the board."

We get.
NEXT!

I wouldn't mind the discussion, but it never goes anywhere new.
Fez should educate himself or let it go a topic.
A marriage is not a contract between two people, it is a contract between 3 parties, the state, and the two people.
There are some rights that two people can not contract into that a marriage does provide.
I love how people say that gay marriage will ruin the tradition of marriage. Do they mean the tradition that a women lost all her rights and was allowed to be beaten by her husband? Because that was the real tradition, modern marriage is very new, and is far removed from traditional marriage.
Do they mean a traditional marriage that only allowed divorce in very narrow cases? Or the modern marriage that allows Rush and every other anti-gay marriage advocate to divorce multiple times?
I think the state should only give everyone, straight or gay, civil unions. Let the church keep "marriage."

[DolaMight]

I've only had a chance to listen to a half hour here and there for the last couple months and almost every time I listened it was about gay marriage. He was always really into it so at first I assumed fez was playin a heel for the redneck callers but now it seems his interest in the matter is real and the only thing he gets passionate about. Ronnie B needs to reach out to outQ to get some closure so the R&F show can move on. It worked for Steve C, he's out.

I'd love to hear a cross-promotion virus/outQ intervention. No more secrets.

[Death Metal Moe]

Only reason I get tired of Gay marriage talk is because it should be legal already.

It's a failed, broken institution, it's not worth defending. Let the gays in, they just want the legal rights straights have.

[Gvac]

I really hope this thread doesn't get hijacked into yet another "are you for or against gay marriage?" debate.

We have plenty of those.

This is whether or not you're sick of the topic being discussed on the Ron and Fez show.

[jennysmurf]

Put it in the same file as "Gvac doesn't like the way Mikeyboy runs the board."

We get.
NEXT!

I wouldn't mind the discussion, but it never goes anywhere new.
Fez should educate himself or let it go a topic.
A marriage is not a contract between two people, it is a contract between 3 parties, the state, and the two people.
There are some rights that two people can not contract into that a marriage does provide.
I love how people say that gay marriage will ruin the tradition of marriage. Do they mean the tradition that a women lost all her rights and was allowed to be beaten by her husband? Because that was the real tradition, modern marriage is very new, and is far removed from traditional marriage.
Do they mean a traditional marriage that only allowed divorce in very narrow cases? Or the modern marriage that allows Rush and every other anti-gay marriage advocate to divorce multiple times?
I think the state should only give everyone, straight or gay, civil unions. Let the church keep "marriage."

This. This makes sense. Unfortunately, there is no real separation of church and state.

[spainlinx0]

Incredibly sick of it. I don't know why Ron lets it go on. He is obviously bored of it. It's enough already. Come out of the closet and be gay Fez like you USED to be. I still find it bizarre that when he wasn't coming out of the closet to people he was a great gay character. Now he can't even act like gay Fez. He just thinks talking louder is sounding gayer. Just bizarre.

[WampusCrandle]

HA!

I just wonder why people will post for pages and pages about bagels and hangers but when it comes to show discussion everyone is afraid to give their opinion.

Everyone knows Ron and Fez read this board; hell, Fez even posts here.

Don't you think they like getting feedback?

Sometimes I think people fear talking openly and honestly about the show because they're afraid Ron and/or Fez won't like them if they say something negative.

well, maybe posters don't want to be called "the poor man's CWC"? haha. maybe posters don't want to be mentioned on the air for their opinions that aren't popular to the hosts of the show and then beaten down. so, i agree with you, Gvac.

at any rate, it's fucking boring and draining to hear about this gay marriage shit. fuck gay marriage in its gay ass.

[STC-Dub]

Tired of it.

[RhinoInVT]

I'm so bored with Fez lately. More Dave and more Chris Stanley.

[epo]

I don't really care if Fez supports the policy, because I like him as an entertainer. I am however extremely bored with the same argument every day about the issue.

Either sharpen up your argument, get involved and have some personal stories, or stop talking about it everyday.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

I think the state should only give everyone, straight or gay, civil unions. Let the church keep "marriage."

Really? I remember saying that in another thread and you saying something about the history of separate but equal.

[Dude!]

i wish you guys
would stop with all the
stupid marriage talk
and just give me a big
slurpy blow job

[A buck 380]

I like it for the simple fact that it seems to get under the skin of many hayseeds.

[foodcourtdruide]

Enough already.

We get it.

Fez thinks gays should be able to marry.

NEXT!

Look at GVAC, giving Fez sweet chin music through the barber shop window!

[Sue_Bender]

I'm all for gay marriage.


But the perpetual discussion of the topic on my favorite radio program has begun to frustrate me.

[Denise Dean]

I'm all for gay marriage.


But the perpetual discussion of the topic on my favorite radio program has begun to frustrate me.


It would frustrate you.
Hack.

[Sue_Bender]

It would frustrate you.
Hack.

I know, right?

:wub::wub::wub:

[Doogie]

I'm with you GVAC. I love the Ron and Fez show, and I have always been a proponent of gay marriage. BUT the more I hear Fezzie drone on it with no direction, I feel like it is starting to push me towards the right in regards to this argument.

I am with everyone else, and I belive I am accurate including Ron here too, by saying I am sick and tired of hearing the same things over and over and over again on the show. I hate when it is brought up right in the middle when the boys are on a good role talking about something that has me dying laughing. Then this fucking topic is brought up again for the 1000th time and the feeling of the show just hits a brick wall.

Please understand this is NOT an attack against Fez or gay marriage, but I am with GVAC by saying that I am sick of hearing it brought up on the air. Plain and simple.

[toolshed]

If it is a work, it is boring.

If it is a shoot, it is still boring.

But then again, it doesn't affect me. Maybe it is an interesting discussion to some. I can handle 15-20 minutes of stuff that doesn't interest me in the context of a 4 hour show.

[spainlinx0]

If it is a work, it is boring.

If it is a shoot, it is still boring.

But then again, it doesn't affect me. Maybe it is an interesting discussion to some. I can handle 15-20 minutes of stuff that doesn't interest me in the context of a 4 hour show.

The problem is that 15-20 minutes starts to feel like hours.

[toolshed]

The problem is that 15-20 minutes starts to feel like hours.

Agreed. It is the rare occasion that I feel like switching channels, but this is usually one of the times. It is wouldn't be as bad if there was even some comedic angle to the issue, but there generally isn't. It is just generally statements of o-pin-ions, with no facts or resolutions.

[MadMatt]

I'm with you GVAC. I love the Ron and Fez show, and I have always been a proponent of gay marriage. BUT the more I hear Fezzie drone on it with no direction, I feel like it is starting to push me towards the right in regards to this argument.

I am with everyone else, and I belive I am accurate including Ron here too, by saying I am sick and tired of hearing the same things over and over and over again on the show. I hate when it is brought up right in the middle when the boys are on a good role talking about something that has me dying laughing. Then this fucking topic is brought up again for the 1000th time and the feeling of the show just hits a brick wall.

Please understand this is NOT an attack against Fez or gay marriage, but I am with GVAC by saying that I am sick of hearing it brought up on the air. Plain and simple.

Very well said. :thumbup:

[MachoNacho]

Fez is happy to have the issue and struggle. As long as he doesn't have to do anything about it. Fez just wants to complain and let others do the heavy lifting.

[jab]

Fez is happy to have the issue and struggle. As long as he doesn't have to do anything about it. Fez just wants to complain and let others do the heavy lifting.

why is it his job to have to do something about it, he is a radio host who is paid to talk. he is talking. as soon as he starts 'doing something about it' you all will complain that he is doing too much about it and not paying attention to the show enough. eat a sandwich.

[spainlinx0]

why is it his job to have to do something about it, he is a radio host who is paid to talk. he is talking. as soon as he starts 'doing something about it' you all will complain that he is doing too much about it and not paying attention to the show enough. eat a sandwich.

Seriously? There's not much room for Fez to be doing "less" for the show lately. No one is saying it's his job to do something about it, but what is the point of his talking about this?

Is it funny? No.

Does he have insightful arguments? No.

Can he counter even the dumbest hayseed? No.

Is it paying off in some way? Not that I can see.

Is the discussion engaging? No.

Does it help Fez move his issues along or develop personally? Not that I can see.

It just seems to be a new OCD for Fez. Did I turn off the stove? Check. Did I lock my front door? Check. Did I walk around the block? Check. Did I bring up gay marriage and bore the listeners for 20 minutes? Check.

Maybe I'm tired and cranky from lack of sleep, but holy shit, I just heard Monday's discussion today, and it really is enough already. Go to a rally. Come out of the closet. Hand out a fucking flyer, but have SOMETHING different about the topic.

[jab]

there is no pay off on the ron and fez show. thats why it is beautiful. it is like life. it is not structured as we would like.

if anything, gay marriage will end with someone getting a tattoo.

[Gvac]

there is no pay off on the ron and fez show. thats why it is beautiful. it is like life. it is not structured as we would like.

if anything, gay marriage will end with someone getting a tattoo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I'm not sure why, but this post cracked me up. Most likely because it's dead on.

Thanks.

[Serpico1103]

Really? I remember saying that in another thread and you saying something about the history of separate but equal.

Refresh my memory. Because that has been my stance for a long time.
How does separate but equal apply?
Everyone is being treated equally by the state, they get civil unions. If individual churches than want to perform a marriage ceremony with what ever criteria they want that is fine.

But, the state, should give everyone a civil union.

Maybe you have me confused, I honestly don't remember.

Yes, the topic is boring because Ron and Fez same the same things back and forth. Fez, "Everyone should be treated equally." Ron, "Everyone is treated equally, they can marry someone of the opposite sex." Over and Over.

[jab]

Refresh my memory. Because that has been my stance for a long time.
How does separate but equal apply?
Everyone is being treated equally by the state, they get civil unions. If individual churches than want to perform a marriage ceremony with what ever criteria they want that is fine.

But, the state, should give everyone a civil union.

Maybe you have me confused, I honestly don't remember.

Yes, the topic is boring because Ron and Fez same the same things back and forth. Fez, "Everyone should be treated equally." Ron, "Everyone is treated equally, they can marry someone of the opposite sex." Over and Over.


well fine if youre going to say that everyone is treated equally and everyone can marry someone of the opposite sex, that would imply men and women are not equal, so we can finally get back to changing the way they vote and what they get paid.

[Devo37]

i try to support Fez (and I think he gets talked down to and beat up on the show any time he does express his opinion), but trying to defend the 2 guys that lied (and said one of them was female) to scam a marriage license as being a positive thing towards gay marriage was had 'fail' written all over it.

as he's mentioned, Fez usually argues from emotion instead of logic, but i think since this issue is so important to him, he needs to do his homework and have some facts ready when he brings up this topic.

that, or he could start chucking cowbells and tell the rest of the show to go f#ck themselves.

[jab]

fez needs to twist away those gates of steel.

[Serpico1103]

well fine if youre going to say that everyone is treated equally and everyone can marry someone of the opposite sex, that would imply men and women are not equal, so we can finally get back to changing the way they vote and what they get paid.

Huh?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Refresh my memory. Because that has been my stance for a long time.
How does separate but equal apply?
Everyone is being treated equally by the state, they get civil unions. If individual churches than want to perform a marriage ceremony with what ever criteria they want that is fine.

But, the state, should give everyone a civil union.

Maybe you have me confused, I honestly don't remember.

Yes, the topic is boring because Ron and Fez same the same things back and forth. Fez, "Everyone should be treated equally." Ron, "Everyone is treated equally, they can marry someone of the opposite sex." Over and Over.

It's nothing big. I just said in the gay marriage thread that I am against it but I was against straight people being legally wed also. I thought I had received a reactionary response to only the part where I said that I don't think gays should be able to marry. That's all it's no biggie, I just figured I was misunderstood.

[Serpico1103]

It's nothing big. I just said in the gay marriage thread that I am against it but I was against straight people being legally wed also. I thought I had received a reactionary response to only the part where I said that I don't think gays should be able to marry. That's all it's no biggie, I just figured I was misunderstood.

Ok, If you are bored find the post for me.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Ok, If you are bored find the post for me.

Aight. First I was like. . .

http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2233685&postcount=239

Oh yeah, how's that working for you? It's like Fez the other day trying to argue the computer "thinking" like a human for Jeopardy during a segment. JK

You're right it's just that
1) Gays are a part of population with no other defining trait than their sexual preference. This makes it hard for some to see them as a group in terms of civil rights. To me they are more akin to an interest group like the NRA.
2) Also marriage as it stand is a church thing, what people do in a courtroom is civil union but in my opinion this also applies to straight couples.

an den you was all like. . .

http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2234044&postcount=253

Someone explain to CharlieDontSurf about the history of separate but equal.

I find it so sad when people have no concept of their history.

[Serpico1103]

Aight. First I was like. . .

http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2233685&postcount=239



an den you was all like. . .

http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2234044&postcount=253

Coming back a little. But, I don't think that was the post I was referring to.
Separate but equal would apply to allowing straights to marry by the state, and gays only allowed to have civil unions. It would have nothing to do with the church.

I think I was referring to an earlier post in that thread, or I am a confused idiot.
Thanks.

[Recyclerz]

there is no pay off on the ron and fez show. thats why it is beautiful. it is like life. it is not structured as we would like.

if anything, gay marriage will end with someone getting a tattoo.

:thumbup:

Maybe the tattoo should say "The Ron & Fez Show - Bending The Narrative Arc Into A Circle Since 2005"

And, of course, ESD has to get the ink.

[Hottub]

Tune in today for another installment.:thumbup:

[jimmyolsenblues]

I don't mind at all about the talking...i think ronnie is frustrated that fez has no new points..

All ron wants is fez to take an opinion and develop a thesis...he doesn't want fez to repeat the same things over and over and not bring anything new to table.

[spainlinx0]

I don't mind at all about the talking...i think ronnie is frustrated that fez has no new points..

All ron wants is fez to take an opinion and develop a thesis...he doesn't want fez to repeat the same things over and over and not bring anything new to table.

Well, I want to win the lottery. I'm beginning to think my odds are better than Ron's.

[jgess2077]

Today was the first day in years that I missed the show, didn't record it, and didn't care. Gay marriage talk is the precice reason why.

I feel the same way I can't stand listening to Fez, who can't even come out of the closet himself, talk about gay topics all day. It is really making the show hard to listen to, that and saving all the deer :flush:

[WampusCrandle]

Tune in today for another installment.:thumbup:

it's all your fault.