Calvin Klein billboard in SoHo

[MacVittie]

What are your thoughts, folks? Does this billboard go too far or is it acceptable?

http://thegenderblenderblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dscn0892.jpg

[Furtherman]

Too far?

Not too far enough, I say!

[ToiletCrusher]

Needs more nipple.


man nipple.

[razorboy]

Needs more nipple.


man nipple.

Is man nipple your answer to everything?

[KatPw]

It's no worse that what is shown on MTV or on shows geared toward young adults. If people don't like it they can avert their eyes.

[RhinoinMN]

I'm still trying to figure out if I want to go down E Houston St. or not.

[Sue_Bender]

Acceptable.

[KatPw]

I'm still trying to figure out if I want to go down E Houston St. or not.

I've seen the same ad in my Rolling Stone. Want me to see if I still have that issue? I can send it to you for your "research" purposes.

[RhinoinMN]

I've seen the same ad in my Rolling Stone. Want me to see if I still have that issue? I can send it to you for your "research" purposes.

Sure, cuz I am really confused at this point. Like "half mast" confused.

[KingModem]

I think it is unacceptable how that poor woman didn't get any attention from her father.

[RhinoinMN]

I think it is unacceptable how that poor woman didn't get any attention from her father.

:lol:

[burrben]

those dudes are gonna fuck...hawt

[Doogie]

I actually think the bilboard is a little gay...I mean what dude lays his head on the lap of another guy? I dont give a fuck that there is a chick between them, you just don't go resting your head on another dudes lap.

[ToiletCrusher]

Is man nipple your answer to everything?

More or less.

[Jujubees2]

Acceptable but what the hell is the guy on the floor doing?

[burrben]

you just don't go resting your head on another dudes lap.

hey, i dont need your advice

[Misteriosa]

Acceptable but what the hell is the guy on the floor doing?

sleeping.. he was the first one serviced :laugh:

[MacVittie]

sleeping.. he was the first one serviced :laugh:

and now she's snowballing the guy on the couch.

[paulisded]

Here's Deb's CNN appearance:

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[beachbum]

I wouldn't care if she was getting triple penetrated with those Calvin Klein shorts hanging off of one ankle.



No.Not too far.People need to learn that they don't have to "approve" of everything.

[GreatAmericanZero]

walking around NYC you see all these dvd shops with porn in the windows. its no big deal

but i do hope HTG wins the Beanie Cup today!

[Nick Starr]

What are your thoughts, folks? Does this billboard go too far or is it acceptable?

The only part not acceptable is that there is a woman in the picture.

[TripleSkeet]

The only reason people are complaining is because there is a kind of homo erotic angle to this billboard. If it were 3 girls hanging on the guy these people wouldnt even complain.

Nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

[ChrisTheCop]

Klein says theyre "targeting their demographic": gay guys and the women who fuck them.

Deb came on strong after the break; nice job!

[MachoNacho]

I've only ever double teamed some broad. Never triple teamed.

[MikeB]

ummm I thought the PAC shut down once O&A got their jobs "back."

Why is HLN still calling someone to be on there that is head of nothing? I think that is the bigger story of this. If they are bringing someone on with a background like this what else are they doing in these faux debates.

[SinA]

i'm offended by all of your sigpics.
but not my sigpic.

[Marc with a c]

that guys jorts are offensive.

[drjoek]

What a non story
HTG seems like a nice enough woman but 24 hour news is really reaching. Plus what does the meeting go like
"Who can we get to comment on this topic? That chick with the pearl necklace who took a stand about Imus and started a PAC"
"Does the PAC exist any more?
"No"
"Book her anyway we got a 4 minute story block"

[KEITHJAY]

Deb was great nuff said :clap:

[TripleSkeet]

Jesus Christ Mike Galanos is a fucking old lady. People really still bring up the "How do I explain that to my kids?" argument? Really? There are plenty of parents on this board, do any of you think you wouldnt be able to explain something like this to your kid if they asked?


As a parent it sickens me how people are so fucking afraid of their kids asking a question in which theyd have to have a real conversation with them. Youre supposed to be preparing these kids to live in the real world. What the fuck?

[drjoek]

Jesus Christ Mike Galanos is a fucking old lady. People really still bring up the "How do I explain that to my kids?" argument? Really? There are plenty of parents on this board, do any of you think you wouldnt be able to explain something like this to your kid if they asked?


As a parent it sickens me how people are so fucking afraid of their kids asking a question in which theyd have to have a real conversation with them. Youre supposed to be preparing these kids to live in the real world. What the fuck?


You are likely not a parent. And no I'm not trying to get in a flame war with you.
I ask you what would be you're explanation to a young kid who asked you to discuss this specific billboard? I am in no way naïve or puritanical but the image is meant to be provocative.

"Well darling some young people enjoy......

I for one am not raising my kids to experience that "real world" sorry that's just me.

[TripleSkeet]

ummm I thought the PAC shut down once O&A got their jobs "back."

Why is HLN still calling someone to be on there that is head of nothing? I think that is the bigger story of this. If they are bringing someone on with a background like this what else are they doing in these faux debates.

Shes a lawyer and a professional with experience defending this side in the matter. Who should they have asked? You?

[TripleSkeet]

As a parent it sickens me how people are so fucking afraid of their kids asking a question in which theyd have to have a real conversation with them. Youre supposed to be preparing these kids to live in the real world. What the fuck?

You are likely not a parent. And no I'm not trying to get in a flame war with you.
I ask you what would be you're explanation to a young kid who asked you to discuss this specific billboard? I am in no way naïve or puritanical but the image is meant to be provocative.

"Well darling some young people enjoy......

I for one am not raising my kids to experience that "real world" sorry that's just me.

You gotta start paying closer attention doc. Not to mention I post pics of my son and daughter in the Our Kids thread all the time.

My explanation about that billboard would differ depending on the age of my kid.

Any real young kid would settle for even the flimsiest explanation and not give it a second thought. If a 5 year old asked me about it Id say something like "Its nothing just a bunch of kids play wrestling".

Now if my kid was 13 Id say something like "Its a picture of girl doing something she shouldnt be." Id also go on to have an adult conversation about how people make advertisements to try to get people mad and talking about them.

Make no mistake, explaining an advertisement is not the same as encouraging your kid to do it. We grew up with the Marlboro Man ads. If I asked my dad about them he'd say hes just a guy dressed up like a cowboy having a cigarette, I wouldnt take that as him telling me I should smoke.

[drjoek]

You gotta start paying closer attention doc. Not to mention I post pics of my son and daughter in the Our Kids thread all the time.

My explanation about that billboard would differ depending on the age of my kid.

Any real young kid would settle for even the flimsiest explanation and not give it a second thought. If a 5 year old asked me about it Id say something like "Its nothing just a bunch of kids play wrestling".

Now if my kid was 13 Id say something like "Its a picture of girl doing something she shouldnt be." Id also go on to have an adult conversation about how people make advertisements to try to get people mad and talking about them.

Make no mistake, explaining an advertisement is not the same as encouraging your kid to do it. We grew up with the Marlboro Man ads. If I asked my dad about them he'd say hes just a guy dressed up like a cowboy having a cigarette, I wouldnt take that as him telling me I should smoke.



Sorry I'm trying to screen the 38 applicants that called today for this job I'm offering. You did a nice job of presenting your case.
. I agree with your original post about the guy going overboard with the self righteous indignation. But Teenagers ARE influenced by this stuff. Its not easy to keep them making smart choices in their lives.

You've got some cute kids. I rechecked.

[biggirl]

If Calvin Klein jeans and shorts made me look like that and get that much attention from the guys, well, hell, I'd buy them. Oh wait...I used to wear them in high school and did get that attention. What the hell happened?

I really wouldn't want my young kids to see it, but I am positive that I could give them a good explanation of what was going on and why it is wrong.

I don't think kids are going to turn out bad from seeing ads. You have to be a good parent and your kids will turn out okay. You have to instill your morals.

[MikeB]

Shes a lawyer and a professional with experience defending this side in the matter. Who should they have asked? You?
No silly...you are missing the point.

Just because you are/were a lawyer means you should be brought on to HLN for everyone of these "debates?" Why is she credited as being the head/founder of a sham of an organization that asked for donations and then disappeared.

How is she a professional in this matter? Because she opened up a website when "O&A ARE FIRRRRREEEDDD!!!!!!!" got people to donate money towards it and then forgot about the site once O&A were not in trouble anymore. If you truly believe in the free speech 'movement' then someone doing that is hurting the cause.

I find her entertaining on the radio and she certainly seems like a nice person. However if this were someone outside of the Ron and Fez community I have a feeling most people would feel different.

[Badinia]

All I need is a good defense

'Cos I'm feeling like a criminal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlvvdfAbijE

It's not pornography, and it's gonna sell Calvin Klein a shit-ton of jeans, licensed underpants and fragrances.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

At least there's a female in this one. I've seen huge billabong billboards with guys doing damn near the same thing in Times Square no less.

[RhinoInVT]

At least there's a female in this one. I've seen huge billabong billboards with guys doing damn near the same thing in Times Square no less.

would that be considered a billaboard?

[RhinoinMN]

would that be considered a billaboard?

Why does my board character knock off have to be a fat, gay kid?

[SatCam]

I would like to see the parents of the kids in those billboards


The kids would be the ones doing the explaining!

[Gvac]

Holy shit.

That is the gayest thing I've ever seen.

Seriously.

No wonder they put it in SoHo. Notice how the guy isn't even kissing the chick? He's disgusted.

I'm neither offended nor titillated. It's almost campy in its pure homosexuality.

[brettmojo]

The only way that billboard could be any gayer is if the chick was Chaz Bono.

[boosterp]

I'd have to agree with Deb and Skeet here. Now a days many parents do not talk to their kids enough and look elsewhere to blame. In my day it was cigarette and booze ads, I remember my parents and I always talked about stuff and I turned out alright.











Time to pop a Bud Light and smoke another Camel.

[Serpico1103]

It is nonsense. There is more sexuality on TV all day long. Kids can watch TV all day unsupervised. How will an unsupervised kid see the CK ad?

But, attacking CK is easy. Let CNN try to attack one of the other networks, or cable TV. Oh that's right, CNN is just part of a media conglomerate that regularly puts more "offensive" things on TV, in movies and other outlets.

If HLN is really upset about sexuality let them protest Time Warner and HBO.

[Death Metal Moe]

How many homeless guys got busted jacking off in front of it already?

[TripleSkeet]

No silly...you are missing the point.

Just because you are/were a lawyer means you should be brought on to HLN for everyone of these "debates?" Why is she credited as being the head/founder of a sham of an organization that asked for donations and then disappeared.

How is she a professional in this matter? Because she opened up a website when "O&A ARE FIRRRRREEEDDD!!!!!!!" got people to donate money towards it and then forgot about the site once O&A were not in trouble anymore. If you truly believe in the free speech 'movement' then someone doing that is hurting the cause.

I find her entertaining on the radio and she certainly seems like a nice person. However if this were someone outside of the Ron and Fez community I have a feeling most people would feel different.

Youre the one missing the point. I said she was a professional. Not a professional IN THIS MATTER. That means shes been on the show before to defend this side of the censorship argument and presented her arguments professionally and articulately. Thats why they brought her back.

In case you havent noticed, there arent many people out there with the balls to tell parents to take responsibility for their fucking kids lives instead of always trying to find something to blame for their kids turning out fucked up.

Thats why they call her. Because the rest of the people that agree with her always have to preface their speech with "well it is tasteless" or "well its not for kids". Thats not the issue. The issue is there are rules concerning billboards. This one doesnt break any of them. So you cant and shouldnt take it down because some parents find it offensive.

Nobody fights for freedom of expression anymore. Deb has to come on these shows because everyone else they get sounds like the Helen Lovejoys who called the fucking show crying "Think about the children!!!"

[Serpico1103]

For the parents, because I hate the "what do I tell my kids when they ask about the billboard?"

Why are you waiting for your children to ask?
I never asked my parents anything. I hoped they didn't notice I saw something I should have, or hoped they felt just as awkward as I did to open a discussion about it.

As a parent I would think you would look for these opportunities to open a discussion with your children. Instead, of hoping they will enter adulthood without having any conversations about what happens in the real world.
If you want to isolate your child, isolate your child. Don't try to sterilize the world.

I don't have children, because I feel I am not prepared for the work that raising a child takes. Providing food, shelter, and clothing is the easy part. Parenting is the hard part.

[silera]

I'm going to have to agree with Mike on this. Love Deb, but it's really misleading to have Deb interviewed as head of an organization regarding free speech when nothing else happens with it other than give interviews to CNN.

Skeet, I get your point but the reality is that they didn't preface her as a consitution lawyer with a practice focusing on the first amendment. It was PAC spokesperson.

I don't even know why the money or OnA have to be brough up though. It was an idea born with lots of gumption and then lost it. I'll add another irrelevant note, Deb really looks hot in it!

[MikeB]

Deb really looks hot in it!

Agree.

[silera]

CNN really is shitty, they didn't even bother to add up the people in the billboard. It's a foursome not a threesome.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

What are your thoughts, folks? Does this billboard go too far or is it acceptable?

http://thegenderblenderblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dscn0892.jpg

i feel yes to both. i don't like what's in the image, but yes it is "acceptable" that it's there.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm going to have to agree with Mike on this. Love Deb, but it's really misleading to have Deb interviewed as head of an organization regarding free speech when nothing else happens with it other than give interviews to CNN.

Skeet, I get your point but the reality is that they didn't preface her as a consitution lawyer with a practice focusing on the first amendment. It was PAC spokesperson.

I don't even know why the money or OnA have to be brough up though. It was an idea born with lots of gumption and then lost it. I'll add another irrelevant note, Deb really looks hot in it!

I agree that it was dumb to associate her with an orginization that no longer exists, but I honestly believe thats more the show not doing their due diligence then anyone misrepresenting themself. And in all honesty, they announced her as the founder of PAC, not the president. Which is still technically true.

Im betting any information they have about her is from her last appearance and they just didnt bother to find out if there was an update. Or they did and didnt care.

But its still true that besides Deb, I dont see any "spokeperson" ever showing up on one of these shows and just calling it out for the bullshit it is. That other douchebag didnt seem to have any problem with the ad except she felt it was outdated apparently. Yet she didnt defend the right of the billboard to be up at all.

[FatassTitePants]

I agree that it was dumb to associate her with an orginization that no longer exists, but I honestly believe thats more the show not doing their due diligence then anyone misrepresenting themself. And in all honesty, they announced her as the founder of PAC, not the president. Which is still technically true.

Im betting any information they have about her is from her last appearance and they just didnt bother to find out if there was an update. Or they did and didnt care.



This is almost exactly how I feel about Reverand Al.

[MikeB]

This is almost exactly how I feel about Reverand Al.

Exactly

[CruelCircus]

My explanation about that billboard would differ depending on the age of my kid.

Any real young kid would settle for even the flimsiest explanation and not give it a second thought. If a 5 year old asked me about it Id say something like "Its nothing just a bunch of kids play wrestling".

Now if my kid was 13 Id say something like "Its a picture of girl doing something she shouldnt be." Id also go on to have an adult conversation about how people make advertisements to try to get people mad and talking about them.

Make no mistake, explaining an advertisement is not the same as encouraging your kid to do it. We grew up with the Marlboro Man ads. If I asked my dad about them he'd say hes just a guy dressed up like a cowboy having a cigarette, I wouldnt take that as him telling me I should smoke.

How about, "You see how all those kids are wearing jeans? The company who made that billboard is trying to sell jeans."

Simple, truthful, and without "icky" details.

[TripleSkeet]

This is almost exactly how I feel about Reverand Al.

Exactly

Um...I dont get it.


So you hate Rev. Al because you dont feel hes "qualified" to give his opinions on matters?

Because thats all these are...opinions. It doesnt matter who these shows have on, there is no "This person has the qualifications necesarry to give their opinion".

I dont hate Rev. Al because hes not qualified. I hate him because I completely disagree with him.

Again I ask, who should this dope have had on there instead of her. Please give me an example.

[Slumbag]

]

Again I ask, who should this dope have had on there instead of her. Please give me an example.

Why not Kevin Smith, who has had to deal with censorship in his art.
Bernard McGuirk, Marilyn Manson.

A person who has actually had to deal with being censored.

[MikeB]

Um...I dont get it.


So you hate Rev. Al because you dont feel hes "qualified" to give his opinions on matters?

Because thats all these are...opinions. It doesnt matter who these shows have on, there is no "This person has the qualifications necesarry to give their opinion".

I dont hate Rev. Al because hes not qualified. I hate him because I completely disagree with him.

Again I ask, who should this dope have had on there instead of her. Please give me an example.
The reason Rev Al is on all these shows is because, as you would say, he has experience in doing them. All that is focused on is his ability to do the fake debate. Not that all his organizations are shams. It is the news on some twist level...do not turn it into more wrestling than it already is.


If you are going to have a debate have someone on there that actually runs or is affiliated with an credible organization that has relevance to the issue.

[PapaBear]

Totally inappropriate!!!

http://blogs.tampabay.com/80s/images/2008/10/24/new_a_fisch_called_wanda_a_fish_cal.jpg

[brettmojo]

CNN really is shitty, they didn't even bother to add up the people in the billboard. It's a foursome not a threesome.
Well in fairness the 4th guy is just passed out on the floor.

[A.J.]

That billboard pic is gay.

This pic is still gayer.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2009/03/A-Rod%20Details.jpg

[fezfez]

The people in the billboard just look lazy to me.

[IMSlacker]

I don't get the "HTG's not qualified" arguement. She has a point of view and she's good at arguing her point of view. What other qualification does she need?

[led37zep]

CNN really is shitty, they didn't even bother to add up the people in the billboard. It's a foursome not a threesome.

Wait, so if I sleep on the floor while my two gay friends "experiment" with a hot chick that makes me a willing participant?

[sailor]

Wait, so if I sleep on the floor while my two gay friends "experiment" with a hot chick that makes me a willing participant?

if you're on the floor pretending to sleep, but actually opening your fly to masturbate, yes that makes you a willing participant.

[Jujubees2]

I'd have to agree with Deb and Skeet here. Now a days many parents do not talk to their kids enough and look elsewhere to blame. In my day it was cigarette and booze ads, I remember my parents and I always talked about stuff and I turned out alright.

Time to pop a Bud Light and smoke another Camel.

Same here. My father smoked like a chimney but myself and my other three siblings never smoked because our parents told us it was bad for you.

If my sons saw the billboard (they're 11 and 13), I don't think they would ask but if they did I would reply that Calvin Klein is doing it because sex sells and it's a great marketing campaign as for the price of one billboard they are getting national exposure.

[jlehane3]

I'm glad HTG did such a great job in limited time against the lame callers,host,and the opposing woman.Thanks for liberalism if it opposes curbs on free speech.Religious cranks who use the "KIDS" argument/excuse for their private agendas bug me to no end.That ad "FRIGHTENS" a caller....oh man,you sheltered baby.What else frightens you? Spoiled milk ? A run in your granny-hose? Spotting from both ends? "Depends" ads? http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/j3lehane/ShatnerMad.jpg

[angrymissy]

Who the fuck ever asked their parents about that kind of shit anyway?????? Like someone else said, I'd avert my eyes and my parents would do the same, avoiding the awkward conversation. I'm cringing even thinking about discussing something like that with my Dad.

Plus it's in NYC. There's tons of shit a lot worse than that that you'll walk by on a regular basis.

[EliSnow]

Plus it's in NYC. There's tons of shit a lot worse than that that you'll walk by on a regular basis.

Yeah, you'll often see porn mags visible at magazine/newspaper stands.

[Freitag]

I don't get the "HTG's not qualified" arguement. She has a point of view and she's good at arguing her point of view. What other qualification does she need?

Exactly. As we've all learned, if there is a mic in front of you = automatic expert.

[joethebartender]

Calvin Klein has reached a new low.

What's next?...
a national television ad campaign featuring 15 year old girls spread-legged, reading innuendo laden dialog???:unsure:


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[TheMojoPin]

The reason Rev Al is on all these shows is because, as you would say, he has experience in doing them. All that is focused on is his ability to do the fake debate. Not that all his organizations are shams. It is the news on some twist level...do not turn it into more wrestling than it already is.


If you are going to have a debate have someone on there that actually runs or is affiliated with an credible organization that has relevance to the issue.

I'm with TS, I still don't how this makes Sharpton comparable to HTG. Sharpton is affiliated with a legitimate organization. Granted, he's often called on because he'll get people to watch, but it's typically over matters that he has some experience or involvement in.

[Juliejulez]

I don't want to see this shit on my way to work. Its too gay. Another girl was needed for this billboard.

P.S. I'm tired of Calvin Klein trying to sell his expensive jeans. "He's a has been". How about a new style of jeans, oh, and maybe a new kind of t-shirt already!

[MikeB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzLjTnZoakc
Ugh. Can't blame this one on HLN not checking to see if PAC exists.

[IMSlacker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzLjTnZoakc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzLjTnZoakc[)
Ugh. Can't blame this one on HLN not checking to see if PAC exists.

I blame your bad link.

[Juliejulez]

HTP is very comfortable at speaking in public, especially when it's about censorship when we have the first amendment, but its a waste and backlash to stick up for people like Ant who can't go a day without saying unnecessary shit.

[fezfez]

Who the fuck ever asked their parents about that kind of shit anyway?????? Like someone else said, I'd avert my eyes and my parents would do the same, avoiding the awkward conversation. I'm cringing even thinking about discussing something like that with my Dad.

Plus it's in NYC. There's tons of shit a lot worse than that that you'll walk by on a regular basis.

I agree Missy. Maybe it's not healthy, but the "new sexy billboard" topic never would have come up at the Whatley dinner table.

[Serpico1103]

I agree Missy. Maybe it's not healthy, but the "new sexy billboard" topic never would have come up at the Whatley dinner table.

But imagine how beneficial it would have been if it did. Your parents could have explained that people are different and choose to lead different lives; sexually or otherwise. As long as, the people are responsible and happy than it is healthy.

[Gvac]

But imagine how beneficial it would have been if it did. Your parents could have explained that people are different and choose to lead different lives; sexually or otherwise. As long as, the people are responsible and happy than it is healthy.

Even homos?

[UpperEastSideDave]

I agree, Deb does have an amazing ass.

Wait, what was the question?

[TripleSkeet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzLjTnZoakc
Ugh. Can't blame this one on HLN not checking to see if PAC exists.

Sigh.

Explain what she did wrong here? Again, she never mentioned PAC. So whats the problem?

Dude, Debbie is a good looking, well spoken woman who is very good at making her point. Why shouldnt she be interviewed like this? Would you have no problem if it were just some other random brunette woman? I dont get the fucking problem.

Is it that PAC is mentioned in the title of a video not posted by her? Even if it is why does that matter? Even if its not still around it was a great idea and the only attempt I have yet to see to organize people to fight back against these fucking assholes. Why does that bother you so?


And Slumbag, I agree Kevin Smith would be a great person to argue this, but honestly, does he need an invitation? If he wanted to go on a show like that wouldnt his publicist just have to make a phone call? Im sure that douchebag wouldve been thrilled to have Smith on his show.

[MikeB]

Is it that PAC is mentioned in the title of a video not posted by her? Even if it is why does that matter? Even if its not still around it was a great idea and the only attempt I have yet to see to organize people to fight back against these fucking assholes. Why does that bother you so?

Yes. She is going around telling outlets she is from an organization that was started up because O&A got in trouble, asked for donations, and then disappeared once O&A were back.

So because it was a "great attempt" she should go around pretending to be something she is not. If someone were to do that on the other side of the argument (some fake Parents Against Something organization) we would be pissed off.

I know you like HTG. So do I. However I do not let it cloud my judgement when it comes to this issue.

[TripleSkeet]

Yes. She is going around telling outlets she is from an organization that was started up because O&A got in trouble, asked for donations, and then disappeared once O&A were back.

So because it was a "great attempt" she should go around pretending to be something she is not. If someone were to do that on the other side of the argument (some fake Parents Against Something organization) we would be pissed off.

I know you like HTG. So do I. However I do not let it cloud my judgement when it comes to this issue.

Really? Can you do me a favor and show me one bit of proof that she goes around telling people this? Seriously. The Air America video it looked to me like she was watching the festivities and they may have recognized her and decided to interview her, but I guess the video cut off before I could see her clutching the guys leg begging him to interview her some more as he tried to drag himself away.

Ron himself said she had been on these shows when she WAS a member of PAC and they basically had her in their rolodex to call when issues like this arise.

Considering they STILL call Curtis Sliwa from the Guardian Angels for questions about vigilantism 20 years later Im inclined to agree, but hey you know the real deal, Im just clouded.

Honestly, to me you sound like someone that made a donation to PAC and then got all pissed off when it folded. If I send you your $10 back would that make you feel better?

[lleeder]

Honestly, to me you sound like someone that made a donation to PAC and then got all pissed off when it folded. If I send you your $10 back would that make you feel better?

I donated $5,000 in unmarked bills. Can you send that back to me too?

[TripleSkeet]

I donated $5,000 in unmarked bills. Can you send that back to me too?

Sure. You got change of a million?

[MikeB]

Really? Can you do me a favor and show me one bit of proof that she goes around telling people this? Seriously. The Air America video it looked to me like she was watching the festivities and they may have recognized her and decided to interview her, but I guess the video cut off before I could see her clutching the guys leg begging him to interview her some more as he tried to drag himself away.

Youre being insane now. Suddenly some clearly clueless guy from Air America is going to go "That is the girl that was talking about an ad in SoHo on a third rate news network that one time!" She of course told them she was from PAC. They may of came up to her for a quick interview as they would with anyone on the street watching but she told them she was with an organization that does not exist.

Ron himself said she had been on these shows when she WAS a member of PAC and they basically had her in their rolodex to call when issues like this arise.

Considering they STILL call Curtis Sliwa from the Guardian Angels for questions about vigilantism 20 years later Im inclined to agree, but hey you know the real deal, Im just clouded.

Honestly, to me you sound like someone that made a donation to PAC and then got all pissed off when it folded. If I send you your $10 back would that make you feel better?
You're being illogical about all matters now. You are bringing up a rolodex argument that is only the truth when it comes to HLN...not Air America's website.

Guardian Angels and PAC...are you really making that analogy.

[TheMojoPin]

Guardian Angels and PAC...are you really making that analogy.

Yeah, I agree that that comparison doesn't really work since the GA still exists bigger than ever before.

[TripleSkeet]

You know what dude, youre right. This makes so much more sense.

She is going around telling outlets she is from an organization that was started up because O&A got in trouble, asked for donations, and then disappeared once O&A were back.



Thanks for clearing up my clouded mind.

[MikeB]

You know what dude, youre right. This makes so much more sense.



Thanks for clearing up my clouded mind.

Grasp at straws
Become aggressive
And now passive aggressive



The point of this entire free speech debate is people are not being honest. They are lying about what they find offensive and their own outrage. If someone is to defend free speech shouldn't they be honest about such an important matter in television...their qualification.
As Silera put it
"it's really misleading to have Deb interviewed as head of an organization regarding free speech when nothing else happens with it other than give interviews to CNN. "

[paulisded]

Yes. She is going around telling outlets she is from an organization that was started up because O&A got in trouble, asked for donations, and then disappeared once O&A were back.

So because it was a "great attempt" she should go around pretending to be something she is not. If someone were to do that on the other side of the argument (some fake Parents Against Something organization) we would be pissed off.

I know you like HTG. So do I. However I do not let it cloud my judgement when it comes to this issue.

I know for a fact that CNN called her about 4 hours before the show aired. This wasn't her topic. Should she have turned them down? I know I'd jump at any opportunity to be on national TV...and she did a great job.

[TripleSkeet]

Grasp at straws
Become aggressive
And now passive aggressive



The point of this entire free speech debate is people are not being honest. They are lying about what they find offensive and their own outrage. If someone is to defend free speech shouldn't they be honest about such an important matter in television...their qualification.
As Silera put it
"it's really misleading to have Deb interviewed as head of an organization regarding free speech when nothing else happens with it other than give interviews to CNN. "

True. But whos doing the misleading? Deb or the news program?

Honestly? I think youre the one not being honest. To me it seems like you have a problem even seeing her on tv. I have yet to hear her mention PAC in an interview, and to be honest again, your claiming something you have no proof of whatsoever. You keep bringing up donations which is what brought me to my last conclusion. All Im asking is to validate your claims man. Show me some proof that she keeps "begging" to be interviewed.

You sound like the same people over at Wackbag that slam her for being an attention whore and going on the Ron and Fez Show when Ron himself invites her the fuck on the show. Who are you to tell her to turn something like that down????

[MikeB]

You sound like the same people over at Wackbag that slam her for being an attention whore and going on the Ron and Fez Show when Ron himself invites her the fuck on the show. Who are you to tell her to turn something like that down????
Jesus, Now you are going to give me an opinion that is first not true and second has NOTHING to do with this except to help your argument? I have fucking said I like HTG and like her on air. I have zero problem with her being invited to be on the show.

Well you sir sound like Hitler. Hitler killed a lot of jews. Who are you to kill jews?



As for the actual topic at the actual opinion I have...
If it is, as you put it, dumb for her to be associated her with an organization that no longer exists then why does she continue to allow herself to be credited with that. All she has to say is that organization is not around anymore. Instead she deliberately misleads.

[TripleSkeet]

Ok, just a quick hypothetical scenario. A guy from CNN calls Deb and invites her to the show to debate this argument. He asks if shes still with PAC and she says PAC is no longer around. The guy says well we have to mention it in order to explain why you are there, we will just say you founded the organization PAC since that technically is true, and that will be it.

Now if that happened to be true (and I have no idea, but it doesnt seem really far fetched) would that be a major problem for you?

Basically they want her to debate the issue because of how she speaks and her opinions are on the side they are looking for, but they dont want her to seem like some random girl off the street. So they mention the organization that got her her original appearance on the show in the first place. Theres no lies being said, and everyone got what they wanted. Is there a problem?

[boosterp]

I thought she was introduced as the founder of PAC not in any way implying that PAC still exists. Or do I need to rewatch the video?

If indeed she was introduced as the founder than why the current issue of misrepresentation. I thought she did good, she knows her shit, and she is an authority on the issue both educationally and practically.

[TripleSkeet]

I thought she was introduced as the founder of PAC not in any way implying that PAC still exists. Or do I need to rewatch the video?.

No you got it right the first time.

[boosterp]

No you got it right the first time.

Thanks budday. Plus, who does not like to see HTG, I think she is lovely. :wub:

[CruelCircus]

Plus it's in NYC. There's tons of shit a lot worse than that that you'll walk by on a regular basis.

Agreed. There have been, and probably still are, MUCH racier billboards going into and out of the Midtown Tunnel for years now.

[TooLowBrow]

do they still put up booze billboards?

[silera]

Just to clarify, I think the misleading comes from CNN not from Deb. She's more than capable of debating the topic and if someone calls her up why shouldn't she?

If CNN just has a stack of names they pull out of a hat for their news, it just makes me think they're the equivalent of a high school paper.

[TripleSkeet]

Just to clarify, I think the misleading comes from CNN not from Deb. She's more than capable of debating the topic and if someone calls her up why shouldn't she?

If CNN just has a stack of names they pull out of a hat for their news, it just makes me think they're the equivalent of a high school paper.

I miss you guys. :glurps:

Cant wait til I start to have Fridays and can start listening to the What Show again.

[AF Mike]

True. But whos doing the misleading? Deb or the news program?

Honestly? I think youre the one not being honest. To me it seems like you have a problem even seeing her on tv. I have yet to hear her mention PAC in an interview, and to be honest again, your claiming something you have no proof of whatsoever. You keep bringing up donations which is what brought me to my last conclusion. All Im asking is to validate your claims man. Show me some proof that she keeps "begging" to be interviewed.

You sound like the same people over at Wackbag that slam her for being an attention whore and going on the Ron and Fez Show when Ron himself invites her the fuck on the show. Who are you to tell her to turn something like that down????

Ok, just a quick hypothetical scenario. A guy from CNN calls Deb and invites her to the show to debate this argument. He asks if shes still with PAC and she says PAC is no longer around. The guy says well we have to mention it in order to explain why you are there, we will just say you founded the organization PAC since that technically is true, and that will be it.

Now if that happened to be true (and I have no idea, but it doesnt seem really far fetched) would that be a major problem for you?

Basically they want her to debate the issue because of how she speaks and her opinions are on the side they are looking for, but they dont want her to seem like some random girl off the street. So they mention the organization that got her her original appearance on the show in the first place. Theres no lies being said, and everyone got what they wanted. Is there a problem?



Most of us have some understanding of the history of PAC.
We understand how important it (thought it) was in responding to the O&A suspension.

Stepping outside of the message board world you have to at least wonder about the negative implications associated with a
Founder of People against Censorship banner running underneath you.

A google search of PAC brings up a MySpace Page that hasn’t been updated in almost 2 years and a couple of equally outdated press releases.
We can argue the semantics of founder forever but the fact remains that the casual viewer is going to question the credibility of anyone
who can’t be supported by the internet.



Truth bomb – I’ve never posted on this board sober.

[boosterp]

Most of us have some understanding of the history of PAC.
We understand how important it (thought it) was in responding to the O&A suspension.

Stepping outside of the message board world you have to at least wonder about the negative implications associated with a
Founder of People against Censorship banner running underneath you.

A google search of PAC brings up a MySpace Page that hasn’t been updated in almost 2 years and a couple of equally outdated press releases.
We can argue the semantics of founder forever but the fact remains that the casual viewer is going to question the credibility of anyone
who can’t be supported by the internet.



Truth bomb – I’ve never posted on this board sober.

Very good point, initially I did not think of this.

[IMSlacker]

We can argue the semantics of founder forever but the fact remains that the casual viewer is going to question the credibility of anyone
who can’t be supported by the internet.

I disagree. A casual observer wouldn't bother to search the internet for the credentials of someone who did a ten minute debate segment on HLN. They would just watch the segment, either agree or disagree with her and then watch the next segment.

I can't imagine thinking: "she made some good points, but I can't be sure if I agree with her or not until I look into this people against censorship group some more first". It seems crazy to me.

[AF Mike]

I disagree. A casual observer wouldn't bother to search the internet for the credentials of someone who did a ten minute debate segment on HLN. They would just watch the segment, either agree or disagree with her and then watch the next segment.

I can't imagine thinking: "she made some good points, but I can't be sure if I agree with her or not until I look into this people against censorship group some more first". It seems crazy to me.


I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.

I contend that no one just watches TV anymore.
The "zealots" that have nothing better to do with their day but, god forbid,
write advertisers are certainly internet savvy.

They are probably googling David Letterman just to find an advertiser address/email
to direct their slings and arrows.

Having a false internet presence gives idiots an in to completely derail an intelligent and logical argument.



What what !!!

[IMSlacker]

I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.

I contend that no one just watches TV anymore.
The "zealots" that have nothing better to do with their day but, god forbid,
write advertisers are certainly internet savvy.

They are probably googling David Letterman just to find an advertiser address/email
to direct their slings and arrows.

Having a false internet presence gives idiots an in to completely derail an intelligent and logical argument.



What what !!!

So it's casual zealot viewers we're talking about?

[AF Mike]

So it's casual zealot viewers we're talking about?

In this case I'm not sure there's a difference.

Casual may not have been the right adjective to use in the original post.
Unbiased, neither for or against? Un-board affiliated, pest-free?

I'm suggesting that if the newsbit moved you ( a viewer ) either
for or against you might follow up on PAC. It was on the screen for
awhile. Finding nothing current might just dissuade someone on the
side of free speech, or fuel someone supporting Davids censorship.



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[fezfez]

But imagine how beneficial it would have been if it did. Your parents could have explained that people are different and choose to lead different lives; sexually or otherwise. As long as, the people are responsible and happy than it is healthy.

That's a nice thought. But it would have been more like "just pass the potatoes". You should have been there when I asked where my little brother came from.

[spankyfrank]

That's a nice thought. But it would have been more like "just pass the potatoes". You should have been there when I asked where my little brother came from.

You know what else is a nice thought......puggles....teehee.....

[angrymissy]

My parents just ducked in my room, threw the brochure for sex ed they sent home at me, then ran off "THEYLLBETALKINGABOUTTHISATSCHOOLKTHXBYE".

[MacVittie]

I asked my mom about where babies came from when I was 4 years old. She told me EVERYTHING, in very explicit detail. To this day, I'm grateful that my parents didn't feel the need to lie to me about something that really isn't a big deal.

[paulisded]

My parents just ducked in my room, threw the brochure for sex ed they sent home at me, then ran off "THEYLLBETALKINGABOUTTHISATSCHOOLKTHXBYE".

My parents never gave me the sex ed talk...it was left to my father's collection of Playboy and Penthouse (and the occasional Hustler). Yes, that explains a lot about me.

The question that nobody has raised about this billboard, though, is do people even look at them? Yeah, you can't help but see them at times but they have absolutely no effect on me. Thirty seconds later I've forgotten them. These precious little angels who these people believe may be harmed for life probably glanced at it and moved on to marvel at the giant buildings all around them.

[KatPw]

My parents had a family medical textbook. It was very educational. The only thing my mother had to add to the subject was that sex "hurts and is your wifely duty". Looking back I find her comment quite sad. I had to explain to my mother what cunnilingus was when we were watching SNL once. I think she was 68 at the time. That was an interesting conversation.

[MacVittie]

My parents had a family medical textbook. It was very educational. The only thing my mother had to add to the subject was that sex "hurts and is your wifely duty". Looking back I find her comment quite sad. I had to explain to my mother what cunnilingus was when we were watching SNL once. I think she was 68 at the time. That was an interesting conversation.

do you think your mom has a secret?

[KatPw]

do you think your mom has a secret?

Probably. Most likely that my dad was a shitty sex partner. They are both dead so I can only guess.

[disneyspy]

do you think your mom has a secret?

no but i bet her dad has a biggin

[KatPw]

no but i bet her dad has a biggin

:lol:

[Serpico1103]

That's a nice thought. But it would have been more like "just pass the potatoes". You should have been there when I asked where my little brother came from.

I don't think the single incident would have changed anything. But, if we weren't so afraid of sexuality as a country there could be more open discussions.

Somehow we love and embrace violence, but sex is so frightening.

If your parents were aware of the people that they knew and respected who were gay, it would be easier for them to accept.
Unfortunately, all too often, the only gay people that come out are the obvious and flamboyant ones, who make all gays look insane.
If gays had to come out, they would have rights. If blacks could hide their skin color, they probably still wouldn't have rights.

[RhinoInVT]

There are no billboards in Vermont. They're illegal.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

the billboard has been replaced.

news article (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/06/23/2009-06-23_calvin_klein_tones_it_down_sort_of_in_soho.html )

[Gvac]

the billboard has been replaced.

news article (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/06/23/2009-06-23_calvin_klein_tones_it_down_sort_of_in_soho.html )

Thank God.

Those boys looked like faggots.

YUCK!

[jlehane3]

It sits at the LaGrange point a million miles from earth aimed at the SUN to check out solar activity as first wave in a warning system.(1987) Idea inspired by reading Isaac Asimov,Jewish writer who synthesized and simplified science for the masses.Also I liked a song by Al Stewart called "Soho needless to say"(I'm alone on your streets on a Friday" (London).I had dinner with Al Stewart in Philly once after his gig. I'm not a star chaser,but the opportunity smacked me in the face. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a65/j3lehane/al_stewart.jpg Year of the Cat/Time Passages were his biggest hits 1970's.

[brettmojo]

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/0mx0232680.png

Yes. That's Eva Mendez. (http://www.wwtdd.com/2009/11/eva-mendes-is-too-sexy/)

A new billboard in SoHo for Calvin <nobr style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%; color: darkgreen;" id="itxt_nobr_0_0">Kleinhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</nobr> (http://www.wwtdd.com/2009/11/eva-mendes-is-too-sexy/#) is getting some people all worked up because they claim it’s, “borderline pornography”. The ad, which features Eva Mendes, is also on Sunset Blvd. in West Hollywood, but no one there seems to be complaining. Maybe because much of the real pornography is filmed 2 minutes away in mansions in the Hollywood Hills. You’re going to have a hard time upsetting someone who just spent the morning with ‘Down The Hatch 19’ filming next door.

[disneyspy]

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/0mx0232680.png

Yes. That's Eva Mendez. (http://www.wwtdd.com/2009/11/eva-mendes-is-too-sexy/)

man i wish we had billboards like that in my small midwestern town,now i have to go write a letter to penthouse

[JerseyRich]

Hummna Hummna!

[Furtherman]

I support all billboards featuring Eva Mendez.

She's puuurrty.

[opie's twisted balls]

shy of the billboard spewing jizum or blood on the street its fine

[GregoryJoseph]

Boy that Eva Mendez has skinny legs and veiny hands...

[underdog]

Boy that Eva Mendez has skinny legs and veiny hands...

You and topless mike should just blow each other and get it over with.

[topless_mike]

You and topless mike should just blow each other and get it over with.

?

[Dude!]

?

looks like underdog
has your number

[disneyspy]

looks like underdog
has your number

well he better give it to gvac so they can hook up then