Should Ron & Fez Have Been Invited...

[Gvac]

...to the after-wedding dinner 2 years ago when East Side Dave and Casey tied the knot?

Fez is still harboring resentment over the snub, feeling that because he organized the wedding he should have been with the bride, groom, and their families afterward.

Ron was elated that he wasn't forced into another stuffy, uncomfortable, formal social event.

[Dude!]

have you considered
a part-time job
to occupy some of your
excess free time?

[JPMNICK]

It could have gone either way, I guess extending the invite for the people who picked up the tab would have been ok. At the same time, having the wedding gave the shows HOURS and HOURS of material, so maybe they finally wanted it to not be so public and just act like normal people.

[STC-Dub]

Yes. hey were responsible for putting the wedding together and it is not like just because Ron and Fez where there it would suddenly become a public event.

[lleeder]

I don't think so. They spent the entire day with Dave and Casey. Then an after dinner? Whats next they come over and help put away the gifts and write thank you cards?

[ToiletCrusher]

Work relationships are the hardest when it comes to events like this.

My question is, would it have been about Dave and Casey at the after-wedding-dinner if Ron and Fez were there to possibly take attention away?

[Furtherman]

To be fair, that was a crazy, non-traditional wedding, so I don't think it would go as smooth as you'd think it should.

[DukeFett]

They paid for everything (and even the engagement ring right?), and even if you think someone is going to not show or doesn't want to come, it's only proper to just extend the invite as a sign of respect.

[SinA]

yes. but it's not dave's fault, it's whoever hosted the party's fault.
dave could have stepped up and demanded, but he was under no obligation to do so.

[Caseyelan]

FOR THE RECORD.....

I am offering an apology to fez for not doing it myself and instead having beanie CC everyone on it.
I am sure he didn't see the email from beanies email address. I didn't think to double check.
I am very sorry and if I would have thought for even one second that either of you would WANT to be around our families (esp when they were meeting for the first time ever) I would have insisted and dragged you straight from the hard rock.

Again, I appreciate all you have done for us and I am sorry there was ever a mix up.

[Juliejulez]

if Ronny B and Fez were invited, lets be real. Fez would not have showed up. Fez doesn't leave Retard Island, remember???

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Would you have felt compelled to drag everyone from work to every party related to your wedding?


















That's goddamned right.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

FOR THE RECORD.....

I am offering an apology to fez for not doing it myself and instead having beanie CC everyone on it.
I am sure he didn't see the email from beanies email address. I didn't think to double check.
I am very sorry and if I would have thought for even one second that either of you would WANT to be around our families (esp when they were meeting for the first time ever) I would have insisted and dragged you straight from the hard rock.

Again, I appreciate all you have done for us and I am sorry there was ever a mix up.

Don't apologize. Fez is just being passive aggressive+selfish and trying to make your special day about himself by holding this dynastic grudge for such an epic amount of time.

I have good friends who recently got married and they didn't all invite me either, and I suppose if I didn't keep in constant touch with them I would feel offended too... but Fez doesn't have that out, and neither do I. Don't apologize.

[instrument]

Fez holds a grudge over anything, for someone who hates how judgemental his mom is he's filling her enormous shoes quite nicely

[Tallman388]

FOR THE RECORD.....

I am offering an apology to fez for not doing it myself and instead having beanie CC everyone on it.
I am sure he didn't see the email from beanies email address. I didn't think to double check.
I am very sorry and if I would have thought for even one second that either of you would WANT to be around our families (esp when they were meeting for the first time ever) I would have insisted and dragged you straight from the hard rock.

Again, I appreciate all you have done for us and I am sorry there was ever a mix up.

Wedding planners don't usually get invited to something like that dinner, so I don't think Fez or Ron should have been invited, but it's nice of you to apologize anyway.

[Heather 8]

Fez holds a grudge over anything, for someone who hates how judgemental his mom is he's filling her enormous shoes quite nicely

And her big girl pants as well.

[led37zep]

FOR THE RECORD.....

I am offering an apology to fez for not doing it myself and instead having beanie CC everyone on it.
I am sure he didn't see the email from beanies email address. I didn't think to double check.
I am very sorry and if I would have thought for even one second that either of you would WANT to be around our families (esp when they were meeting for the first time ever) I would have insisted and dragged you straight from the hard rock.

Again, I appreciate all you have done for us and I am sorry there was ever a mix up.

AHHHH...you're blurring the line between real life and the show. I don't know whats real anymore?!?!?!


:tongue:

[Annie Waits]

this is kinda like giving a wedding gift after two years have gone by....let it go fez it's been wayyyyyyy to long to even bring it up!!

[Death Metal Moe]

I was VERY surprised at ESD's attitude towards Fez at the end of today's show. I basically turned it on the last 20 minutes and caught most of this discussion.

Ron and Fez gave him his entire career and ultimately put him in a position that got him his wife, I found Dave's "ball busting" attitude very out of line. He should know how Fez can get with things of this nature, he's been his friend long enough.

And I don't want to hear about planners or E-mails, you pull those 2 guys to the side and make SURE they know they are welcomed but not obligated to come. They're the ones who got you the wedding, they're the guys responsible for your career.

If most of that wasn't "bit" I'm shocked Dave was fucking around with Fez and laughing at the end of the show like that. It's just a lack of respect.

[AKA]

Getting snubbed hurts.:down:

[Caseyelan]

It all happened really fast. If this was an issue, I wish I would have known about it earlier.

[IMSlacker]

Don't apologize. Fez is just being passive aggressive+selfish and trying to make your special day about himself by holding this dynastic grudge for such an epic amount of time.

I have good friends who recently got married and they didn't all invite me either, and I suppose if I didn't keep in constant touch with them I would feel offended too... but Fez doesn't have that out, and neither do I. Don't apologize.

It's too late. She already apologized. No backsies!

[sailor]

this is the first i've heard about it and i'm shocked they weren't invited.

edit: just saw casey's post and they were invited. shock averted.

[Serpico1103]

I was VERY surprised at ESD's attitude towards Fez at the end of today's show. I basically turned it on the last 20 minutes and caught most of this discussion.

Ron and Fez gave him his entire career and ultimately put him in a position that got him his wife, I found Dave's "ball busting" attitude very out of line. He should know how Fez can get with things of this nature, he's been his friend long enough.

And I don't want to hear about planners or E-mails, you pull those 2 guys to the side and make SURE they know they are welcomed but not obligated to come. They're the ones who got you the wedding, they're the guys responsible for your career.

If most of that wasn't "bit" I'm shocked Dave was fucking around with Fez and laughing at the end of the show like that. It's just a lack of respect.

ESD didn't say, "tough shit, I didn't want you there."
He apologized, about an event 2 years ago, and Fez refused to move beyond it.
What do you do then?
If Fez refuses to respect ESD's apology that is on him.
Fez should know about ESD's ball busting attitude. It is a radio show, if Fez really wants a discussion about it, have it off air.
I am sure ESD didn't, but seeing what Fez wore, I would have disinvited him. He talks about the niceties and polite manners, yet he dresses like an ass at a friend's wedding?
Yeah, sure, ESD was wrong, pander to fragile Fez. :dry:

[Death Metal Moe]

ESD didn't say, "tough shit, I didn't want you there."
He apologized, about an event 2 years ago, and Fez refused to move beyond it.
What do you do then?
If Fez refuses to respect ESD's apology that is on him.
Fez should know about ESD's ball busting attitude. It is a radio show, if Fez really wants a discussion about it, have it off air.
I am sure ESD didn't, but seeing what Fez wore, I would have disinvited him. He talks about the niceties and polite manners, yet he dresses like an ass at a friend's wedding?
Yeah, sure, ESD was wrong, pander to fragile Fez. :dry:

OK, let's be realistic, or as realistic as we can only knowing what we heard.

I've never planned a wedding, I understand lots of other people are responsible for planning things. But NO ONE looked around and saw Ron and Fez weren't at the dinner party? It went THIS long? If it was me, I'd make sure those guys were at the main family table and when I didn't see them I'd raise holy hell. At the very least if it was a horrific over site I'd have been on the phone that night apologizing up and down, swearing I'd find out who left 2 of the most important guests off the dinner list.

We can discuss if we think Fez's reaction and grudge holding is appropriate, but the main fact that no one gave a shit the 2 hosts of the show the wedding was on weren't invited to the dinner is just a horrible fact that's hard to get past.

Yea, ESD apologized when it was pointed out to him he did something wrong. Now the ball is in Fez's court. He's hurt and it's another thing on top of ESD's and Fez's bad relationship as of late.

If Dave feels Fez is being ridiculous, he has the option of not being friends with him anymore I guess, they can still work together.

I just really don't feel this is "Fez being Fez" here. I feel he has the right to be upset.

[JDE]

OK, let's be realistic, or as realistic as we can only knowing what we heard.

I've never planned a wedding, I understand lots of other people are responsible for planning things. But NO ONE looked around and saw Ron and Fez weren't at the dinner party? It went THIS long? If it was me, I'd make sure those guys were at the main family table and when I didn't see them I'd raise holy hell. At the very least if it was a horrific over site I'd have been on the phone that night apologizing up and down, swearing I'd find out who left 2 of the most important guests off the dinner list.

We can discuss if we think Fez's reaction and grudge holding is appropriate, but the main fact that no one gave a shit the 2 hosts of the show the wedding was on weren't invited to the dinner is just a horrible fact that's hard to get past.

Yea, ESD apologized when it was pointed out to him he did something wrong. Now the ball is in Fez's court. He's hurt and it's another thing on top of ESD's and Fez's bad relationship as of late.

If Dave feels Fez is being ridiculous, he has the option of not being friends with him anymore I guess, they can still work together.

I just really don't feel this is "Fez being Fez" here. I feel he has the right to be upset.

Casey already said they were invited, so if they were invited, but did not get the invites, who's fault is it?

Casey has said she was sorry for not taking over, she is being way too nice, she should not have to. It was her wedding, whether it was on a radio show or not, she had way more important things to do, then take care of every little detail regarding a dinner, that was a last minute thing.

You expect her or Dave on the night of their wedding, when they don't see them at the dinner, to do what exactly?

Fez is being a drama queen if he is seriously offended. I can't believe he holds something like this in for two years, and never says anything to Dave.


I think Fez and Ron should have been invited, but once the dinner happened, and obviously a mishap occurred, it should have been over with. At some point after the wedding, Fez, if he was upset, should have asked Dave hey how come me and Ron were not invited to the after wedding dinner? He then would have been told, they were, and realized the misunderstanding, and it would have been over with.


Jason

[East Side Dave]

you pull those 2 guys to the side and make SURE they know they are welcomed but not obligated to come. They're the ones who got you the wedding, they're the guys responsible for your career.



Honestly, I thought I had done that. But it's true- I thank Ron & Fez for being so unbelievably GENEROUS, COOL, and, GREAT to me. Total shoot. I apologize if Fez wasn't invited but I was extremely scattered-brained (as was my wife) in the previous month or so before the wedding. We were nuts. If it slipped through, I am sorry. And every chance I get, Mo, I thank Ron & Fez for my career. Just listen to most holiday shows. Viva La Ron & Fez! I owe them everything and I know it.

[Death Metal Moe]

Honestly, I thought I had done that. But it's true- I thank Ron & Fez for being so unbelievably GENEROUS, COOL, and, GREAT to me. Total shoot. I apologize if Fez wasn't invited but I was extremely scattered-brained (as was my wife) in the previous month or so before the wedding. We were nuts. If it slipped through, I am sorry. And every chance I get, Mo, I thank Ron & Fez for my career. Just listen to most holiday shows. Viva La Ron & Fez! I owe them everything and I know it.

OK man, you know I'm on your side as far as being a Dave supporter and I know you appreciate what Ron and Fez have done for you. That's why this seems out of character. I just feel you were acting really weird on the show during that segment. But you did apologize to him, so if he holds a grudge that's his choice. I hope you guys work through whatever is going on.

[ShowerBench]

FezFez probably has a right to be offended.

But, while most people would be initially offended, the grudge would probably last about 4 seconds for most. That's how long it would take to realize that, if you were invited, you would be expected to show up. Chances are good that you would be sick of all things wedding-related by that point - and wish you were not invited.

Also, it's possible that there was some uncertainty about the appropriateness of extending an invitation to one's bosses for this particular event - even if they are also friends, and even if they did sponsor the wedding. There is a lot to be said for drawing/maintaining a certain line in that relationship, and both sides have to pay attention to not breaching it.

If the hosts struggled with that line in this situation and that's why they made the decision they did, then not extending the invitation is not really something that can be taken personally. If they didn't, then it can, and it is completely up to FezFez to determine how serious an offense it was.

[Snoogans]

the wedding and, if I recall right, the honeymoon were paid for by XM. That only happened cause Rand F hired Dave. Id say thats enough to get an invite, yea

[blakenWYO]

You dont need to invite your boss to your "family" dinner... fez is like a little girl.. or an insecure girlfriend.. both are really sweet!!!!

[Fuzz Whatley]

i feel ron and fez were key in there meeting and getting married:drunk:

[TheCableNazi]

Everytime Fez opens his mouth, all I hear is "me me me cry cry me me me cry me..."

It's getting old.

[stormy1065]

Wasn't the reason fez dressed the way he did cause he was jumpin on a plane for Florida right after the show to start his vacation?

[oldpoet]

If after two years Fez still holds a grudge and can't let ESD enjoy an anniversary without bringing up how it affected him (Fez), then Fez is the one with the problem. I think it was respectful of ESD to NOT tell Fez to grow up, or to NOT tell Fez to fuck off. Which he had every right to do during Fez's tirade yesterday. But like always, Fez wasn't going to acquiese and allow a guy to happily remember his wedding. No, it had to be a big personal issue for Fez.

Your wedding day is a hectic, emotionally intense time. ESD and Casey probably didn't know which way was up. And you know what? They shouldn't be held to task for anything that went down that day. Simply put: it's THEIR special day, it's not supposed to be about anyone else.

But selfish people don't understand that, and think they should be part of something that's not about them. Fez made it clear that his grudge was more important than someone else's special moment. Shame on him.



Unless this is all a radio "bit", and in that case, well-played!

[West.Coast.Skippy]

i think it's pretty normal to have an immediate family exclusive dinner as part of the wedding process.

xm paid for the wedding? well that's great for dave and casey, but xm was paying for on air material as well.

i think this is about, as usual, the people around fez having to behave unusually because fez can't/won't break free from his internal torture.

[happytypinggirl]

OK, let's be realistic, or as realistic as we can only knowing what we heard.

I've never planned a wedding, I understand lots of other people are responsible for planning things. But NO ONE looked around and saw Ron and Fez weren't at the dinner party? It went THIS long? If it was me, I'd make sure those guys were at the main family table and when I didn't see them I'd raise holy hell. At the very least if it was a horrific over site I'd have been on the phone that night apologizing up and down, swearing I'd find out who left 2 of the most important guests off the dinner list.

We can discuss if we think Fez's reaction and grudge holding is appropriate, but the main fact that no one gave a shit the 2 hosts of the show the wedding was on weren't invited to the dinner is just a horrible fact that's hard to get past.

Yea, ESD apologized when it was pointed out to him he did something wrong. Now the ball is in Fez's court. He's hurt and it's another thing on top of ESD's and Fez's bad relationship as of late.

If Dave feels Fez is being ridiculous, he has the option of not being friends with him anymore I guess, they can still work together.

I just really don't feel this is "Fez being Fez" here. I feel he has the right to be upset.


I dont think it was out of line at all for Dave or Casey to assume, when they didnt see them at the dinner, that R&F chose not to attend a dinner with just parents, grandparents and siblings meeting each other. I would never have imagined that R or F would want to go to that kind of dinner.

[ToiletCrusher]

why did you edit?

[mikeyboy]

why did you edit?

She felt bad about including "toiletcrusher is a douche nozzle".

[ToiletCrusher]

She felt bad about including "toiletcrusher is a douche nozzle".

I think you should make that your new modqoute.

[Serpico1103]

Your wedding day is a hectic, emotionally intense time. ESD and Casey probably didn't know which way was up. And you know what? They shouldn't be held to task for anything that went down that day. Simply put: it's THEIR special day, it's not supposed to be about anyone else.
!

Hopefully, one day Fez will marry the one he loves, realize what stress you are under and call ESD to apologize for making ESD's day about himself.

Who had that outburst about a trying time in their life, but someone wouldn't respect the pressure they were under and had an outburst on the air. Went something like," You never cut me any slack!!"

[MacVittie]

If Fez was so upset about it, its really passive aggressive for him to keep it in for two years and wait until Dave's anniversary to tell him. I think Fez really enjoys being in the victim position, and the longer he went without Dave realizing the mistake the longer Fez could be mad at Dave and feel righteous about it. This should have come out months after the wedding, not years.

[dickydean]

Wasn't the reason fez dressed the way he did cause he was jumpin on a plane for Florida right after the show to start his vacation?

My thoughts exactly! That's why I think it's a work.

[Evolved]

Wasn't the reason fez dressed the way he did cause he was jumpin on a plane for Florida right after the show to start his vacation?

My thoughts exactly! That's why I think it's a work.

He said on air that the flight was the next day. Even if it was the same day, couldn't he have changed before leaving for the airport or after he landed?

This is just another example of Fez making everything about him.

[Serpico1103]

Wasn't the reason fez dressed the way he did cause he was jumpin on a plane for Florida right after the show to start his vacation?

So, he didn't have time for an appropriate set of clothes, but he wanted to go to a dinner and then he was out at the bar after the dinner. Makes no sense.

He dressed like an ass, tried to make an excuse, "sometime in the near future I will be on plane." Instead, of owning his mistake.

[Sue_Bender]

Wasn't the reason fez dressed the way he did cause he was jumpin on a plane for Florida right after the show to start his vacation?


It was a bit.

Ron had told Fez on a few occasions before the event...that the wedding was a casual affair.

See?

It was a joke. :wink:

Fez looked ridiculous!

[happytypinggirl]

It was a bit.

Ron had told Fez on a few occasions before the event...that the wedding was a casual affair.

See?

It was a joke. :wink:

Fez looked ridiculous!

and it was hilarious! fez in crocs...too funny.

[stormy1065]

I know it was a bit but I thought his flight was after the wedding.

[instrument]

Wow, so dave is really married?

[Sue_Bender]

and it was hilarious! fez in crocs...too funny.

I thoroughly enjoyed Ron busting his balls about it throughout the wedding. :lol:

[Serpico1103]

I know it was a bit but I thought his flight was after the wedding.

What time would the flight have been? After the wedding, after the dinner, after the bar where Fez saw ESD after the dinner?

[stormy1065]

Hell I didn't book his fLight. This is just how I remember it. That I remember but being molested as a child has totally left me.

[Serpico1103]

Hell I didn't book his fLight. This is just how I remember it. That I remember but being molested as a child has totally left me.

And I hoped you remembered me. :glurps: