R&F Sirius/XM Listening Thread for 06-23-09

[drhart]

Trailer Park Boys neighborhood!

Nova Scotia and NB neighbours?

[EliSnow]

i would like to be the official cherry pit spitter of ronfez.net at the nat'l cherry festifal this year.

disneyspy's a spitter!

Rhino, you owe me $10.

[A.J.]

Ha! I remember them playing this at the roller rink!

[RhinoinMN]

disneyspy's a spitter!

Rhino, you owe me $10.

FUCK!

[A.J.]

I wonder if Leftover Salmon is going to play?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/308287912_cb24fdbcf4.jpg?v=0

The Grand Marshal:

http://www.checkoutmycards.com/CardImages/Cards/009/411/04F.jpg

[ToiletCrusher]

I know what you are trying to do, but in all seriousness I catch trout that size.

Brown trout. That's what I catch. At least at about that size.

[disneyspy]

FUCK!

dont worry,i plan on bein the best spitter in the country this year

[ToiletCrusher]

5th person in Canada to get XM, eh?

[Misteriosa]

does the looney tunes "thats all folks" count as a final song?

[ToiletCrusher]

Who calls in with Closing Time ????


Edit: Oh Snap!!!

[west milly Tom]

And Fezzie picks Cher, lol.

[EliSnow]

A Cher song is the last song heard at a Chelsea party maybe.

[Meataball23]

I couldnt be more done w/ sweet caroline

[A.J.]

"Moonlight Mile" - -one of my favorite Stones songs.

And I fucking HATE "Sweet Caroline".

[EliSnow]

"Don't Go Away Mad" Motley Crue

[Meataball23]

And Fezzie picks Cher, lol.


I thought he was going to go with its raining men

[drjoek]

You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

[barjockey]

A Mission In Life - Stan Ridgeway
http://www.stanridgway.com/images/mosquitos_mini.jpg

[Edwin]

http://www.rose-kim.com/blogpics/death.jpg

[Friday]

my old band used to play 'hey jude' to close a lot of parties... drunk people in fancy clothes always seemed to like it.

[west milly Tom]

Happy Gilmore too.

[Edwin]

Closing Time, Tuesdays Gone, Sweet Caroline...I am now at a bad frat party.

:drunk:

[A.J.]

"Tuesday's Gone" -- nice.

[disneyspy]

when i was in high school STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN was always the last song at a dance

[Meataball23]

They play the Sinatra version at the stadium regardless of win or loss now


I cant stand how they changed it

[Chip196]

Satellite of Love

[west milly Tom]

"Tuesday's Gone" -- nice.

Used to play it on the jukebox every time I closed the bar.

[RhinoinMN]

Wow. Lines are really tied up. Can't get through.

[drjoek]

Great Fucking song!!!!!

[RhinoinMN]

I always liked And it Stoned Me - Van Morrison

or

Sunday Morning Coming Down - Kris Kristofferson.

[epo]

I must see Tom Waits live before I pass.

[west milly Tom]

I never listened to a whole tom waits album, which one should I download today?

[RhinoinMN]

SEEE!

Ronnie agrees with me.

[drjoek]

I must see Tom Waits live before I pass.



Yes you must
Top 5 greatest shows. I ever saw

[west milly Tom]

Van the Man - Into the Mystic

[EliSnow]

"This is Charlie."

[A.J.]

Used to play it on the jukebox every time I closed the bar.

One bar I used to go to always closed with "Tiny Dancer".

[disneyspy]

MAHABONE by THE DEAD GERMAN TOURISTS

[A.J.]

I once saw an Italian pasta commercial featuring VU's "Sunday Morning". Weird.

[drjoek]

I never listened to a whole tom waits album, which one should I download today?



Rain dogs
Nighthawks at the diner
Franks wild years

Fuck it down load ALL of them

NOW

[EliSnow]

Worse than Journey is "Come Sail Away" by Styx

[A.J.]

Oh no....

[Meataball23]

Everybody hurts!

Miss drunk Fez

[PD]

Oh no....

no fez tears?

[RhinoinMN]

Fez doesn't have to be drinking to cry to this.

[ToiletCrusher]

Escape is at Hand for the Traveling Man - Tragically Hip (because I'm from Buffalo)

Brand New Day - Van Morrison

[west milly Tom]

If any Phish Sony it has to be "Sleep"

I'd go Belladonna Love lasts Forever, too.

[TjM]

Worse than Journey is "Come Sail Away" by Styx

Dennis DeYoung: Yeah. Yeah, it's me. It's Dennis.
KISS Forum Host: Dennis, you jealous douche, how about I crank a little Detroit Rock City and play Come Sail Away and we can see how they stack up side by side? Huh? You want that, you high-voiced bastard?

[A.J.]

no fez tears?

Shocking.

[KatPw]

Worse than Journey is "Come Sail Away" by Styx

Worse than Journey? Cartman would like to have a word with you

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[drjoek]

I've had the time of my life
Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes

[JimmieHats]

dancing in the moonlight, bitches! :happy:

[west milly Tom]

Is this Dennis DeYoung? Dennis, you high voiced bastahd, how about I put on 'Detroit Rock City' and 'Come Sail Away' and see how they measure up!



Welcome to Battlestar Gallactica forum.

[epo]

I never listened to a whole tom waits album, which one should I download today?

Start with Nighthawks at the Diner or the Heart of Saturday Night. They are the easiest way to enter the catalog.

[RhinoinMN]

And it Stoned Me - Van Morrison



Van the Man - Into the Mystic


Brand New Day - Van Morrison

So which is it?

[disneyspy]

Welcome to Battlestar Gallactica forum.

FRACKIN EH!

[barjockey]

I hate that promo. Who bags groceries outside? Is he at a street fair?

[RhinoinMN]

I've had the time of my life
Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes

Nobody puts Baby in the corner.

[Furtherman]

I never listened to a whole tom waits album, which one should I download today?

Closing Time, his debut album. 1973 I believe.

http://northoftheriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/tom_waits-closing_time.jpg

He sounds great before the smokes and whiskey roughed up his voice.

[KatPw]

Welcome to Battlestar Gallactica forum.

FRACKIN EH!

I'm up to season 3 and itching to finish up. R&F may need to be turned off so I can feed my addiction.

[A.J.]

I've had the time of my life
Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes

An awful song, good for ending awful proms.

[drjoek]

Nobody puts Baby in the corner.



I have Never turned off that movie!
The thing is the song is actually a GREAT fucking song even if the movie is a goof. I loved Jerry Orbach too.

[west milly Tom]

Thanks for all the tom Waits suggestions.

[OGC]

I hate that promo. Who bags groceries outside? Is he at a street fair?


Kenneth does, silly.



I grow weary of that commercial too.

[drjoek]

An awful song, good for ending awful proms.



I disagree, it is actually a great song. Do not say anything bad about one of the Righteous Brothers.

[A.J.]

I disagree, it is actually a great song. Do not say anything bad about one of the Righteous Brothers.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't -- but look how far he sank to put out crap like that!

[TjM]

Thanks for all the tom Waits suggestions.

Used Songs is an excellent compilation album

[Meataball23]

KENNY!!:clap::clap:

[JimmieHats]

So which is it?

yes.

[barjockey]

I must see Tom Waits live before I pass.

saw him a bunch of times when I lived in SF. He doesnt tour much tho'.

[RhinoinMN]

I have Never turned off that movie!
The thing is the song is actually a GREAT fucking song even if the movie is a goof. I loved Jerry Orbach too.

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[disneyspy]

rose whomis this kenny?

[drjoek]

Ordinarily, I wouldn't -- but look how far he sank to put out crap like that!



Overplayed when it was a hit but listen to it again it actually is a quality song. At least to me.

[barjockey]

Steely Dan tixx at the Beacon theater $172.00. Thats a second tier price too. I cant drop that much cash.

[paracetamol flanders]

My signature club closer in the 80's

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[ToiletCrusher]

Herschel Walker? I would have guessed being stupid as his hobby.

[Meataball23]

Fez is throwing out a lot of wussy's

[drjoek]

Amazing how different ESD opinions are when he has to answer BEFORE Ron.

[KatPw]

Amazing how different ESD opinions are when he has to answer BEFORE Ron.

Indeed.

[Meataball23]

Doesnt fez collect dolls?

[EliSnow]

Masturbation isn't a hobby anymore than breathing is a hobby.

[PD]

HR puffenstuff was wacked stuff.

[KatPw]

Knitting was originally a male only thing. Back then knitting was needed in order to make hosiery and such, and was controlled by a Guild. Guilds were men only. Women didn't take up knitting until they had leisure time and men were no longer needed to produce garments.

[Furtherman]

Knitting was originally a male only thing. Back then knitting was needed in order to make hosiery and such, and was controlled by a Guild. Guilds were men only. Women didn't take up knitting until they had leisure time and men were no longer needed to produce garments.

Sailors were also master knitters, as they always had to make clothes, sweaters and such on long trips. They were good with a needle always having to repair the sails.

[Meataball23]

Knitting was originally a male only thing. Back then knitting was needed in order to make hosiery and such, and was controlled by a Guild. Guilds were men only. Women didn't take up knitting until they had leisure time and men were no longer needed to produce garments.


What about the loom? Wasnt the loom something women traditionally did?

[KatPw]

Sailors were also master knitters, as they always had to make clothes, sweaters and such on long trips. They were good with a needle always having to repair the sails.

Yup, gotta be able to do for yourself when your in the middle of an ocean for months on end. And those fishing nets didn't make themselves back then.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Sailors were also master knitters, as they always had to make clothes, sweaters and such on long trips. They were good with a needle always having to repair the sails.

Yeah but nobody is going to tell you that sailors are straight either.

[KatPw]

What about the loom? Wasnt the loom something women traditionally did?

That I know nothing about. Weaving is not my thing.

[EliSnow]

My wife has never made me wear an apron, nor would I.

[EliSnow]

The guys aren't wearing the Baby Bjorns to emulate women. They wear it because they feel like it's easier to carry the baby that way.

http://www.sweden.se/upload/Sweden_se/english/articles/RK/images/Baby_bjorn_helspalt.jpg

[KatPw]

So Ron has no common sense skills? Because I like to think my ability/knowledge of how to wipes a kid's face if they have something all over it has nothing to do with my ovaries.

[PD]

What about the loom? Wasnt the loom something women traditionally did?

all this loom talk just reminds me of
http://omgwtflost.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/5x16_jacobs_tapestry.jpg

[PD]

The guys aren't wearing the Baby Bjorns to emulate women. They wear it because they feel like it's easier to carry the baby that way.



agreed.

[Meataball23]

all this loom talk just reminds me of
http://omgwtflost.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/5x16_jacobs_tapestry.jpg


Haha good to see Jacob make it to a listening thread

[PD]

I could not work a second job that would pay as much as my wife makes.

[Edwin]

Work the grill? Oh come on, that's not work.

[A.J.]

Work the grill? Oh come on, that's not work.

That's the only time my Dad ever cooked.

[RhinoinMN]

My wife stays at home. Its exactly how we wanted it. And people do become condescending with the "oh, so you don't work talk", but they only say it out of jealousy.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't understand this conversation. Why is it anyone's business who works in a family? Not everyone can survive on one income for many many reasons.

[MadMatt]

What do you mean you couldn't stay home with a 1 year old and 1 month old? They are your kids!?!?

Learning and developing patience is part of being a father.

[EliSnow]

What's wrong wit the life we got? Hamburger Helper eat pretty good, don't it?

[MadMatt]

Are you kidding? I am paying $700 a month for ONE kid. And we are paying less now than when she was younger.

[foodcourtdruide]

My wife stays at home. Its exactly how we wanted it. And people do become condescending with the "oh, so you don't work talk", but they only say it out of jealousy.

I'm the same way with my wife, but she takes care of her Mother too. We get the "you don't work talk" sometimes too.

[RhinoinMN]

What's wrong wit the life we got? Hamburger Helper eat pretty good, don't it?

Spahgetttyoooooooos.

Mac N Cheeeeeese.

[~Katja~]

Are you kidding? I am paying $700 a month for ONE kid. And we are paying less now than when she was younger.

over 600 for my son... and thats PA... in NJ where I worked the daycare wanted 250 a week

[Friday]

my friends pay $750/mo for their 1 yr old... and the daycare is at the company they work for.

the cost for decent daycare is insane.

[RhinoinMN]

I'm the same way with my wife, but she takes care of her Mother too. We get the "you don't work talk" sometimes too.

And like you said before. Its nobody's business, but ours.

[drhart]

406 biweekly for 1 child in Toronto Ontario. It's a killer.

[foodcourtdruide]

This "flat screen tv" talk is so stupid. What if parents want to start saving for the kids future? Making sure they have enough "Rainy day" money? It sounds like ignorant people who complain about welfare.

[ToiletCrusher]

I have never been to daycare.

[RhinoinMN]

My wife does a some daycare and she is scaling back now.

Her rates.

25 dollars a day per kid

Hours between 7:30 am- 5 pm

[RhinoinMN]

I have never been to daycare.

Me neither.

[EliSnow]

One of the reasons I live where I live is because the public school system is one of the best in CT. If I tried to get that level of schooling in NYC, I'd have to go private.

[~Katja~]

how is it a privilege? If you have multiple kids it just is more reasonable to stay home with them

[ToiletCrusher]

Me neither.

We get closer and closer each day.

[RhinoinMN]

I've never heard a woman that stays at home bitch about it. They are typically overjoyed that they can.

I don't know what that caller was talking about.

[drjoek]

My kids never spent a day in public school
And Ron is completely wrong. There is a huge difference in acceptance rates.

[~Katja~]

My wife does a some daycare and she is scaling back now.

Her rates.

25 dollars a day per kid

Hours between 7:30 am- 5 pm

and that seems low even when you think of the hourly on that on the upside she gets to stay and keep her own kids home too.

Staying home is not really easy either, you need to teach and entertain the kids as well.

[Friday]

I have never been to daycare.

same here

mom worked nights and dad worked days so there would always be a parent around.

[EliSnow]

My kids never spent a day in public school
And Ron is completely wrong. There is a huge difference in acceptance rates.

True. But as a public school alumni (from a public school in Bumfuck, MN), it can be done.

[foodcourtdruide]

Here we go. The "people with no kids aren't allowed to have any opinions!" argument. Do you have to be in the military to have an opinion about the war?

[RhinoinMN]

I'm glad my kids don't go to daycare. Biggirl fucking goes nuts on some of the daycare kids, but ours are protected.

:lol:









(just kidding of course)



(

[IamFogHat]

Anyone notice everyone's getting along today on the show?

[EliSnow]

I have a friend who pays $30k+ a year for preschool.

And he's very, very, very well off.

[Meataball23]

Abraham Joshua Hershel daycare

Is that a Greek school?

[RhinoinMN]

and that seems low even when you think of the hourly on that on the upside she gets to stay and keep her own kids home too.

Staying home is not really easy either, you need to teach and entertain the kids as well.

It depends. Some kids are there that full time when others are there for 3 hours. She used to have a half rate, but people abused it.

[ToiletCrusher]

It seems to me that the daycare should pay a parent to rent the kids.

[Friday]

if you are more than 15 mins late picking your child up from daycare in Vegas, they call child services. my sister almost had a heart attack sometimes rushing to get there from work. ha.

[RhinoinMN]

I have a friend who pays $30k+ a year for preschool.

And he's very, very, very well off.

I can't even imagine the benefit of that.

[MadMatt]

At our daycare you are charged $5 a MINUTE after 6:30pm. Being late to pick up your kid is NOT a viable option.

[foodcourtdruide]

if you are more than 15 mins late picking your child up from daycare in Vegas, they call child services. my sister almost had a heart attack sometimes rushing to get there from work. ha.

My friend's daycare had a $1/minute late policy.

[drjoek]

ESD went to Christian Brothers Academy which cost probably 25000 a year.

[RhinoinMN]

if you are more than 15 mins late picking your child up from daycare in Vegas, they call child services. my sister almost had a heart attack sometimes rushing to get there from work. ha.

My wife had problems with people abusing the pick up time. She updated her policy to charge 5 dollars a minute for every minute over the pick up time. Problem was solved quickly.

[ToiletCrusher]

I can't even imagine the benefit of that.

None. Research proves it.

[~Katja~]

my son's daycare is very nice about being late, of course if it becomes a habit they would charge, but I have been late maybe 3 times in 4 years and it was traffic related... with road closures, and I was not the only parent late.

[RhinoinMN]

ESD went to Christian Brothers Academy which cost probably 25000 a year.

Not surprising.

http://www.christianbrothersbrandy.com/images/vs.jpg

[Misteriosa]

if you are more than 15 mins late picking your child up from daycare in Vegas, they call child services. my sister almost had a heart attack sometimes rushing to get there from work. ha.
when i worked in an after school center, the limit was 30 mins (if we didnt get a phone call) then off to the precinct you go.
At our daycare you are charged $5 a MINUTE after 6:30pm. Being late to pick up your kid is NOT a viable option.

the afterschool place where my sister works charges $2/min after the 15 min grace period. then after the next 15, it went to $10/min (again, this was if there isnt a phone call)

[Hottub]

We have a decent school system. I think better than fucking St. John's. (Or Transiguration Acadamy or whatever the F it is now)
Sean and Kev will do quite well.

[RhinoinMN]

None. Research proves it.

At that young of an age how much more can you really do for them in terms of dollars.

[EliSnow]

I can't even imagine the benefit of that.

With that preschool, his kids get into elite elementary and high schools where a large percentage of kids go to Ivy League schools.

[drjoek]

Says Ron who eats @ London and Craftsteak and lives on the UES.
I love limosine liberals

[disneyspy]

when i worked in an after school center, the limit was 30 mins (if we didnt get a phone call) then off to the precinct you go.


you used to take kids to jail?

[RhinoinMN]

With that preschool, his kids get into elite elementary and high schools where a large percentage of kids go to Ivy League schools.

I see, so it is more or less a prerequisite to enter an elite school.

[ToiletCrusher]

With that preschool, his kids get into elite elementary and high schools where a large percentage of kids go to Ivy League schools.

Name recognition and pedigree. No evidence that these type of schools actually provide a better education.

[Misteriosa]

With that preschool, his kids get into elite elementary and high schools where a large percentage of kids go to Ivy League schools.

that gives the average joe a big disadvantage :down:

[EliSnow]

I see, so it is more or less a prerequisite to enter an elite school.

You can get into an elite school without having done so, but it is much much harder.

[Hottub]

Sean doesn't need Ivy League for CGI or programming (Which he wants to persue as of now)
Maybe Berkely.

[Misteriosa]

you used to take kids to jail?

not to jail, but to the neighborhood precinct. i never had a kid in my group that was sent there by me. the parent has to go the the precinct to pick the kid up and explain why he/she was so late and didnt call ahead to let us know.

[drjoek]

Name recognition and pedigree. No evidence that these type of schools actually provide a better education.



Define a "better education"? You get smarter? No you get the opportunity to get into a better school.

[Misteriosa]

You can get into an elite school without having done so, but it is much much harder.

average joe scratches and claws his way into the ivy league, the priviliged get that willy wonka golden ticket :down:

i know its the way of the world, but it still stinks

[EliSnow]

Name recognition and pedigree. No evidence that these type of schools actually provide a better education.

As an Ivy League alum, I'd disagree with that.

But putting that aside, the average income for an Ivy League alum is higher than the averages. And I can tell you that having Yale, Havard, etc on your resume opens doors that other schools don't.

[RhinoinMN]

You can get into an elite school without having done so, but it is much much harder.

I don't really care for that then. I'm sure the kid that went to the expensive school isn't THAT much more refined or educated than the kid who went to a regular pre school.

[Meataball23]

With that preschool, his kids get into elite elementary and high schools where a large percentage of kids go to Ivy League schools.

My chick is one of these kids. We went to one of her friends bbq's this weekend and literally everyone there had this kind of backstory. Some Chilton-esque private waspy high school then either ivy or small ivy (bowdin, colby, middlebury) university.

I contend that that their actual college experience cant touch a big state school, but the stuff they were exposed to (international travel, crazy internships, actual relationships with professors) must have been pretty sweet.


Either way fuck those kids

[ToiletCrusher]

Define a "better education"? You get smarter? No you get the opportunity to get into a better school.

I don't have the energy and/or patience to argue this. But the short is, Yes.

Expensive private schools do not out preform the run of the mill public school in terms of all academic testing at anything close to a significant level to suggest that better opportunities exist in private schools.

It comes down to what is taught and how it is implemented in the classroom.

Many private schools across the nation use outdated curriculum that lack in evidence based practices.

[EliSnow]

that gives the average joe a big disadvantage :down:

Yes, but as someone who came from a blue collar family with no college education, it can be done.

But to be honest ,that's life. If you are wealthy, you are more likely to provide a comfortable lifestyle for your family than someone who isn't.

It's a capitalist system, and that's how it is. It's why people want to do as well as they can.

[RhinoinMN]

I don't have the energy and/or patience to argue this. But the short is, Yes.

Expensive private schools do not out preform the run of the mill public school in terms of all academic testing at anything close to a significant level to suggest that better opportunities exist in private schools.

It comes down to what is taught and how it is implemented in the classroom.

Many private schools across the nation use outdated curriculum that lack in evidence based practices.

You went to public school didn't you?

[KatPw]

As an Ivy League alum, I'd disagree with that.

But putting that aside, the average income for an Ivy League alum is higher than the averages. And I can tell you that having Yale, Havard, etc on your resume opens doors that other schools don't.

I guess it also has to do with what profession you went into. I would think that an Ivy League schooled Dentist would make more money. But I make the same money with my SUNY diploma as a Hygienist that came out of NYU (yes, I know NYU is not Ivy League, but it is an expensive school and I'm too lazy to look up what other Universities offer my degree program).

[ToiletCrusher]

As an Ivy League alum, I'd disagree with that.

But putting that aside, the average income for an Ivy League alum is higher than the averages. And I can tell you that having Yale, Havard, etc on your resume opens doors that other schools don't.

Again, what you just said makes my point.

Having a name on your resume like those you mentioned does open doors. But, that is because there is a common misconception among companies and agencies that those schools produce more capable workers, in any field.

[Hottub]

As an Ivy League alum, I'd disagree with that.

But putting that aside, the average income for an Ivy League alum is higher than the averages. And I can tell you that having Yale, Havard, etc on your resume opens doors that other schools don't.

Perhaps for your career path, but as I said, programming, fine arts, music, etc a specialized school is more of a help.

[drjoek]

You went to public school didn't you?



Now you're being mean. :tongue:

[disneyspy]

fuckin cosell,dandy don and frank gifford were the best

[RhinoinMN]

My chick is one of these kids. We went to one of her friends bbq's this weekend and literally everyone there had this kind of backstory. Some Chilton-esque private waspy high school then either ivy or small ivy (bowdin, colby, middlebury) university.

I contend that that their actual college experience cant touch a big state school, but the stuff they were exposed to (international travel, crazy internships, actual relationships with professors) must have been pretty sweet.


Either way fuck those kids

They looked at you funny when you rolled the keg in, didn't they?

[EliSnow]

I don't really care for that then. I'm sure the kid that went to the expensive school isn't THAT much more refined or educated than the kid who went to a regular pre school.

But having a more refined or educated kid is not the goal. It's putting your child in the best possible avenue to have the best opportunities to do well.

That's why NY "yuppie" parents are desparate to do this.

[ToiletCrusher]

You went to public school didn't you?

I spent some time in a private school as well as a public school.

I do however do research in curriculum development and implementation and work in the field with educators.

[RhinoinMN]

Now you're being mean. :tongue:

TC knows I love him.

[disneyspy]

they had some great guests in the florida days

[ToiletCrusher]

TC knows I love him.

smooches!! :wub:

[aceofspades7]

was the joe buck show really bleeped? I only saw it on the internet.

[RhinoinMN]

But having a more refined or educated kid is not the goal. It's putting your child in the best possible avenue to have the best opportunities to do well.

That's why NY "yuppie" parents are desparate to do this.

Are you referring to mikeyboy?

[Meataball23]

They looked at you funny when you rolled the keg in, didn't they?

Haha fact

Rutgers offers 3 different courses in tapping/maintaining kegs.

[EliSnow]

Again, what you just said makes my point.

Having a name on your resume like those you mentioned does open doors. But, that is because there is a common misconception among companies and agencies that those schools produce more capable workers, in any field.

Where there is a misconception or not really doesn't matter. The fact is that having an Ivy League diploma does open a lot of doors.

That's what the parents are gunning for.

[PD]

Name recognition and pedigree. No evidence that these type of schools actually provide a better education.

As an Ivy League alum, I'd disagree with that.

But putting that aside, the average income for an Ivy League alum is higher than the averages. And I can tell you that having Yale, Havard, etc on your resume opens doors that other schools don't.

I too have an Ivy League diploma, but I don't work in an industry where that often matters.
Having said that, you do get treated differently. It's very evident in recruiting, and it's evident (on occasion) in the way people treat you.

It may not be logical, but it is the way it is.

[EliSnow]

Are you referring to mikeyboy?

No. I was talking about my friend and other friends and acquaintances I know in NYC that are doing similar things.

[epo]

I grew up listening to Bob Uecker.

I win.

[A.J.]

As an Ivy League alum, I'd disagree with that.

But putting that aside, the average income for an Ivy League alum is higher than the averages. And I can tell you that having Yale, Havard, etc on your resume opens doors that other schools don't.

As a Catholic University of America alum, that is so true.

[RhinoinMN]

But having a more refined or educated kid is not the goal. It's putting your child in the best possible avenue to have the best opportunities to do well.

That's why NY "yuppie" parents are desparate to do this.

Being serious, I know what point you are trying to put across. I just think that $30,000 is ludicrous. Major overkill.

As a parent I would always try to put my kids in the best position possible. If I had Oprah money I still wouldn't do it on pure principle. $30,000 for fingerpainting and milk breaks!!!!!

[Farthammer]

The Sabres Announcer Rick Jeanerrett is the Greatest of the great.

[disneyspy]

I grew up listening to Bob Uecker.

I win.

cant argue with epo on that

had ernie harwell

[ToiletCrusher]

Where there is a misconception or not really doesn't matter. The fact is that having an Ivy League diploma does open a lot of doors.

That's what the parents are gunning for.

Right, but not every parent. At least admit to that.

You just mentioned that you have a friend paying 30k a year for preschool.

In my opinion - That is fucking retarded. But, it fits in with what you are saying.

Money = doors opened.

At that point, it doesn't come down to an individual's ability to perform, instead it comes down to the piece of paper that says where you went to school.

That is something that the vast majority of people in this country and world will never know.

So again, they pay money for name recognition.

[EliSnow]

I too have an Ivy League diploma, but I don't work in an industry where that often matters.
Having said that, you do get treated differently. It's very evident in recruiting, and it's evident (on occasion) in the way people treat you.

It may not be logical, but it is the way it is.

Where I got my degrees means less and less every year that I move farther away from college and law school. Now my career accomplishments mean more.

But I can tell you that when I tell people what my original law firm was, I get a lot of raised eyebrows. And I wouldn't have gone to that firm without the pedigree of my degrees.

[PD]

even though i went to an Ivy League University I sent my eldest daughter to NY State school (SUNY Binghamton). I couldn't justify the cost differential.

[Hottub]

Haha fact

Rutgers offers 3 different courses in tapping/maintaining kegs.

Beat me to it!
With Rutgers on your resume, the interviewer hands you a bong, and asks you to do a keg stand.

[RhinoinMN]

Where there is a misconception or not really doesn't matter. The fact is that having an Ivy League diploma does open a lot of doors.

That's what the parents are gunning for.

I agree with you, but again the initial $30,000 just blows me away to get their "tiny feet in the door"

[drjoek]

Costas sucks
McCarver is the worst

[PD]

Where I got my degrees means less and less every year that I move farther away from college and law school. Now my career accomplishments mean more.

But I can tell you that when I tell people what my original law firm was, I get a lot of raised eyebrows. And I wouldn't have gone to that firm without the pedigree of my degrees.

I only break out my college ring when I have meetings with certain people - and even though it was a number of years since I graduated, it is amazing how that ring is noticed by certain people.

[Misteriosa]

I agree with you, but again the initial $30,000 just blows me away to get their "tiny feet in the door"

while we are on the topic...

http://www.bravotv.com/nyc-prep

:wallbash:

[Meataball23]

Beat me to it!
With Rutgers on your resume, the interviewer hands you a bong, and asks you to do a keg stand.


Haha love it

Best half decade of my life

[A.J.]

Costas sucks
McCarver is the worst

Costas used to be great doing NCAA hoops with Billy Packer and Al Maguire on NBC way back in the day.

[EliSnow]

Right, but not every parent. At least admit to that.

You just mentioned that you have a friend paying 30k a year for preschool.

In my opinion - That is fucking retarded. But, it fits in with what you are saying.

Money = doors opened.

At that point, it doesn't come down to an individual's ability to perform, instead it comes down to the piece of paper that says where you went to school.

That is something that the vast majority of people in this country and world will never know.

So again, they pay money for name recognition.

That's what my point has been from the beginning. Although I disagree that it doesn't come down to an individual's ability to perform, but the piece of paper.

The piece of paper opens doors. I've seen plenty of doors close on people with such paper but don't have the ability to perform after they have gotten in the door.

[epo]

Ron Santo is radio AIDS.

[KatPw]

while we are on the topic...

http://www.bravotv.com/nyc-prep

:wallbash:

I want to watch this tonight. I'm gonna have to distract Mike with something shiny on the computer.

[RhinoinMN]

while we are on the topic...

http://www.bravotv.com/nyc-prep

:wallbash:

I watched part of one episode and couldn't stomach it.

[EliSnow]

I only break out my college ring when I have meetings with certain people - and even though it was a number of years since I graduated, it is amazing how that ring is noticed by certain people.

I stopped breaking out the ring awhile back. And I actually hope I still have it.

[A.J.]

Ron Santo is radio AIDS.

More like diabetes.

[IMSlacker]

Ron Santo is radio AIDS.

Ron is terrible. Lovable, but terrible.

[disneyspy]

remember that WCW announcer that went nuts at the end of every show? THIS IS THE GREATEST MOST UNBELIEVABLE...

[A.J.]

I only break out my college ring when I have meetings with certain people - and even though it was a number of years since I graduated, it is amazing how that ring is noticed by certain people.

Naval Academy grads wear those things until the day they die.

[RhinoinMN]

That's what my point has been from the beginning. Although I disagree that it doesn't come down to an individual's ability to perform, but the piece of paper.

The piece of paper opens doors. I've seen plenty of doors close on people with such paper but don't have the ability to perform after they have gotten in the door.

Will you agree that $30,000 helps jump start you along that path when it is just pre-school is just plain stupid?

[ToiletCrusher]

That's what my point has been from the beginning. Although I disagree that it doesn't come down to an individual's ability to perform, but the piece of paper.

The piece of paper opens doors. I've seen plenty of doors close on people with such paper but don't have the ability to perform after they have gotten in the door.

So a person who is more able to perform will likely get passed over should someone with an Ivy League degree waltz in.

Lovely to know that people only seem to get a chance if they had money backing that piece of paper.

[Meataball23]

John Sterling is the worst. He tries to make every game feel historic.

[EliSnow]

I agree with you, but again the initial $30,000 just blows me away to get their "tiny feet in the door"

Oh, I agree.

But when I said my friend is well off, I meant he's well off. $30k to him doesn't mean the same to most of America.

[RhinoinMN]

UW Madison would P3WN Rutgers in drinking.

epo will back me up.

[EliSnow]

$30,000 for fingerpainting and milk breaks!!!!!

No. It's $30k for second languages, and other courses you wouldn't think a preschooler would be learning.

[IMSlacker]

Ron has Joe Morgan nailed.

[RhinoinMN]

Oh, I agree.

But when I said my friend is well off, I meant he's well off. $30k to him doesn't mean the same to most of America.

I understood that. Maybe if I had billions I would do the same, but I really doubt it.

[disneyspy]

UW Madison would P3WN Rutgers in drinking.

epo will back me up.

WISCONSIN IS IN A LEAGUE ALL ITS OWN IN DRINKIN

[epo]

UW Madison would P3WN Rutgers in drinking.

epo will back me up.

UW-Madison wins. End of story.

[RhinoinMN]

No. It's $30k for second languages, and other courses you wouldn't think a preschooler would be learning.

I prefer Dora and Diego.:happy:

[RhinoinMN]

UW-Madison wins. End of story.

I would put that college up against any. Crazy motherfuckers!

[disneyspy]

I would put that college up against any. Crazy motherfuckers!

appleton have a college?

[Meataball23]

WISCONSIN IS IN A LEAGUE ALL ITS OWN IN DRINKIN

Id enjoy my chance to show what the rut can do. Inhaling brats and drinking like its our job...or at least my job.

[red_red_red]

appleton have a college?
Lawrence University...fuckin awesome parties there

[Hottub]

Quite frankly, I wasn't bright enough to get into The Ivy League. Sucks for me, I guess.

[EliSnow]

So a person who is more able to perform will likely get passed over should someone with an Ivy League degree waltz in.

Not necessarily. When I say open the door, I mean getting an interview, getting a shot. I've seen people with non-Ivy League diplomas get jobs over Ivy Leaguers because they demonstrated their ability before and after.

Lovely to know that people only seem to get a chance if they had money backing that piece of paper.

I had no money and got the chance based upon my ability and performance in high school.

You don't need that piece of paper to get the chance. All I'm saying is that it helps and makes your chances better.

[epo]

WISCONSIN IS IN A LEAGUE ALL ITS OWN IN DRINKIN

I would put that college up against any. Crazy motherfuckers!

Its not even close, although I'm not sure if that's a good thing. :blink:

[disneyspy]

Lawrence University...fuckin awesome parties there

been to appleton a ton,THAT is a drinkin town

[A.J.]

Quite frankly, I wasn't bright enough to get into The Ivy League. Sucks for me, I guess.

I was. My SATs were shit though.

[Meataball23]

Funtimes chatting with you all during my sick day



CYA!!!:bye:

[EliSnow]

Will you agree that $30,000 helps jump start you along that path when it is just pre-school is just plain stupid?

It depends upon what you make. For me, yes, it would be.

But if you earn $30k or more every week, then no, it may be a good investment for your kids if it makes their chances of making money in the future better.

[ToiletCrusher]

Not necessarily. When I say open the door, I mean getting an interview, getting a shot. I've seen people with non-Ivy League diplomas get jobs over Ivy Leaguers because they demonstrated their ability before and after.



I had no money and got the chance based upon my ability and performance in high school.

You don't need that piece of paper to get the chance. All I'm saying is that it helps and makes your chances better.


WHAT'S THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?!?!?!?

GETTING AN INTERVIEW BASED SOLELY OFF THE NAME ON YOUR COLLEGE DIPLOMA IS JUST AS RIDICULOUS.

OF COURSE, YOU DON'T NEED THAT PIECE OF PAPER TO GET THE CHANCE.

FUCK, BY THAT SAME IDEA, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE TO TAKE OVER YOUR FAMILY BUSINESS EITHER OR TO GET A JOB WITH YOUR FATHER'S FRIEND'S BUSINESS.

NAME RECOGNITION.

[red_red_red]

been to appleton a ton,THAT is a drinkin town
born and bred :) i tell everyone green bay tho, cuz no one knows about appleton, and green bay is only 30 min up the road

[RhinoinMN]

Its not even close, although I'm not sure if that's a good thing. :blink:

No its not really a good thing. I don't know the exact stats, but too many kids die because of it.

[EliSnow]

BTW, we had drinking in college too.

All four years, I was on a speed drinking team call "Tang" similar to the Das Boot beer drinking contest in BeerFest. Two teams of ten, head to head. Each person has two 8 oz glasses of beer. First person drinks, then next, up until the 10th person who drinks two in a row, and then it goes back down to the first drinker.

[PD]

I understood that. Maybe if I had billions I would do the same, but I really doubt it.

If you made billions, maybe not.

but your kids would do it.

[RhinoinMN]

It depends upon what you make. For me, yes, it would be.

But if you earn $30k or more every week, then no, it may be a good investment for your kids if it makes their chances of making money in the future better.

Being where I am at and if could ever attain that kind of money, I still wouldn't do it. I would understand the value of dollar.

If I was someone who was handed that kind of money then I probably would because I would not value the dollar as much.

[Hottub]

I was. My SATs were shit though.

Just another part of the dog & pony show. Some people test well, yet lack true intelligence. For some the opposite happens. You need to be hitting on all 8 cylinders.

[mendyweiss]

http://neurologicalcorrelates.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/unabomber1.jpg

Can someone open a door for me ?

[PD]

as for drinking, here is my old age story.

Since the drinking age was 18 when I entered Cornell,
we used to go to fraternity parties where they would pull up the beer trucks with taps on the side.

300 keg party or 500 keg party?

:drunk:

[RhinoinMN]

If you made billions, maybe not.

but your kids would do it.

That's what I tried to say in my post above. I agree.

[PD]

Being where I am at and if could ever attain that kind of money, I still wouldn't do it. I would understand the value of dollar.

If I was someone who was handed that kind of money then I probably would because I would not value the dollar as much.
If you made billions, maybe not.

but your kids would do it.
see what I wrote.
it's usually 2nd generation money, although to be honest, if you have the money, that is what it is for - not hoarding.

[Misteriosa]

i got into the ivy leagues, but since my mom made "too much money" (45k/year supporting 3 kids and making payments on a house, etc is nothing :wallbash:) i didnt qualify for the fin-aid packages and i wasnt about to borrow 200k for undergrad.

[RhinoinMN]

see what I wrote.
it's usually 2nd generation money, although to be honest, if you have the money, that is what it is for - not hoarding.

I would rather donate to curing diabetes or something.

[PD]

i got into the ivy leagues, but since my mom made "too much money" (45k/year supporting 3 kids and making payments on a house, etc is nothing :wallbash:) i didnt qualify for the fin-aid packages and i wasnt about to borrow 200k for undergrad.

if you saw what I posted, I made similar decision for my daughter.

I was "lucky" enough to be poor and come from The Bronx.

edit

and it wasn't 45k a year then.

you can all thank Ronnie Regan for that !

[EliSnow]

WHAT'S THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?!?!?!?

GETTING AN INTERVIEW BASED SOLELY OFF THE NAME ON YOUR COLLEGE DIPLOMA IS JUST AS RIDICULOUS.

OF COURSE, YOU DON'T NEED THAT PIECE OF PAPER TO GET THE CHANCE.

FUCK, BY THAT SAME IDEA, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE TO TAKE OVER YOUR FAMILY BUSINESS EITHER OR TO GET A JOB WITH YOUR FATHER'S FRIEND'S BUSINESS.

NAME RECOGNITION.

Why are you so mad?

I'm not judging the situation. I'm explaining what it is, to explain why parents pay a lot of money for pre-schools or private schools. Yes, name recognition is important, which again was my point from the beginning.

However, I also stated that abilty is still important. The paper gets you an interview, but others are interviewing too. The chance does not mean that you'll get the job.

[disneyspy]

born and bred :) i tell everyone green bay tho, cuz no one knows about appleton, and green bay is only 30 min up the road

when i was 18 we used to go there alot partyin town at 6 am,made green bay look stupid,course when i hit 19 sault ont was only a 10 min drive away

[RhinoinMN]

Why are you so mad?




He lost his sombrero a la Gvac.

[Misteriosa]

if you saw what I posted, I made similar decision for my daughter.

I was "lucky" enough to be poor and come from The Bronx.

edit

and it wasn't 45k a year then.

you can all thank Ronnie Regan for that !

i wasnt aiming my post towards anyone so i dont know if that was a comment of solidarity (being born and raised in one of the worst neighborhoods in the bronx) or something else :unsure:

[EliSnow]

see what I wrote.
it's usually 2nd generation money, although to be honest, if you have the money, that is what it is for - not hoarding.

My friend doesn't make billions, and his father did pretty well for himself, but his son does far better.

And he knows the value of a dollar -- he's jewish.

[disneyspy]

He lost his sombrero a la Gvac.

i think he was raped by an ivy leauger named kennedy

[PD]

Why are you so mad?

I'm not judging the situation. I'm explaining what it is, to explain why parents pay a lot of money for pre-schools or private schools. Yes, name recognition is important, which again was my point from the beginning.

However, I also stated that abilty is still important. The paper gets you an interview, but others are interviewing too. The chance does not mean that you'll get the job.


exactly.

I didn't go to a prep school, but I went to a very well known specialized HS.
I would mention the name in passing and people would perk up.

The reputation of certain places are often used (like it or not) as pre-screening.

Eagle Scouts have an easier time getting admitted to many colleges; similar thing.

[PD]

i wasnt aiming my post towards anyone so i dont know if that was a comment of solidarity (being born and raised in one of the worst neighborhoods in the bronx) or something else :unsure:

not hostility, just saying i understand.

[red_red_red]

when i was 18 we used to go there alot partyin town at 6 am,made green bay look stupid,course when i hit 19 sault ont was only a 10 min drive away
a bar on every corner, sometimes i miss it. plus my kids would probably be drunks :laugh: i know i was

[EliSnow]

I should add that my friend was not "handed" this money. He earned it himself. He wasn't a trust fund kid.

His father was a doctor and did well enough to pay for his college. But after that, my friend made all his own money.

[RhinoinMN]

One more time.



http://dl2.glitter-graphics.net/pub/10/10592jtstrnnu1n.gif

Rutgers Basketball player.

[epo]

BTW, we had drinking in college too.

All four years, I was on a speed drinking team call "Tang" similar to the Das Boot beer drinking contest in BeerFest. Two teams of ten, head to head. Each person has two 8 oz glasses of beer. First person drinks, then next, up until the 10th person who drinks two in a row, and then it goes back down to the first drinker.

Am I supposed to laugh at you or cry for you?

[EliSnow]

as for drinking, here is my old age story.

Since the drinking age was 18 when I entered Cornell,
we used to go to fraternity parties where they would pull up the beer trucks with taps on the side.

300 keg party or 500 keg party?

:drunk:

I don't think we ever had anything approaching 300 kegs, but 50-100 keg parties occurred.

[epo]

a bar on every corner, sometimes i miss it. plus my kids would probably be drunks :laugh: i know i was

Appleton is bad, Oshkosh is actually worse. There is literally a home on each block that has been converted into a bar.

[EliSnow]

Am I supposed to laugh at you or cry for you?

I've had people do both.


Often.

[ToiletCrusher]

I should add that my friend was not "handed" this money. He earned it himself. He wasn't a trust fund kid.

His father was a doctor and did well enough to pay for his college. But after that, my friend made all his own money.


So, what about your kids?

Will they know a life where doors open to them because of the paper they hold in their hand?

If so, is that because you experienced this yourself?

Or, let me ask you this, if you never attended an Ivy League school, would you feel the same way?

[RhinoinMN]

Appleton is bad, Oshkosh is actually worse. There is literally a home on each block that has been converted into a bar.

I was gonna bring up Oshkosh.