do you buy your music?

[Patient zer0]

Just wondering if you buy your music either in the last remaining music shops or online?

Or are you a scum like the most of us and download illegally?

[TripleSkeet]

<<< Scumbag

[TheGameHHH]

I was just listening to O&A and Ant was talking about how much he spends on buying digital music. In 2009 who the he'll actually pays for music?

[fezident]

I spend hundreds (maybe even a couple of thousand) dollars on music each year.

I am very particular about getting the actual version/mix that the artist wants me to hear, in the order that the artist intended for me to hear it.
I hate squashed MP3's at low bit rates.

And, I'm more than happy to support my fellow musicians. Additionally, I'm not into viruses or waiting 19 hours for something to download or whatever the fuck goes on with these file sharing sites.
I proudly purchase it from legit outlets.

[paulisded]

I was just listening to O&A and Ant was talking about how much he spends on buying digital music. In 2009 who the he'll actually pays for music?

I still buy everything, even if I download a pre-release leak.

[TheGameHHH]

I still buy everything, even if I download a pre-release leak.


Why?

[ANC]

I ain't walkin' into this trap...this guy's wearin' a wire.

[NateCantDance]

I don't buy shit.

[TripleSkeet]

Why?

Oof this will not end well.

Although I agree with you, I dont see spending money on something I can get for free. But Im not a music diva either, I just want to hear the song, it doesnt have to be this super perfect pitch level or anything like that. And you dont wait long or get viruses from file sharing site by getting music....you get it from sharing porn.

[TheMojoPin]

I do both, though everything I download I ultimately end up buying or have bought some version of in the past already.

I have no problem paying for essentially ultimately amounts to art that I love. I know how to shop around so I rarely pay over $10 a CD anyways. Most end up in the $6-$8 range.

[instrument]

Some of these replies are weird.

I dl torrents for movies, comics, and music. I even dl ron and fez since my xm broke, but to be honest I dl'd it even when it did work.

I just don't tink a cd is worth 20 bucks, and to be honnest if it weren't for torrents I'd never buy a comic anyway.

Now dvd's I will buy, readily available at 3-5 bucks at most retailers its the only one that I think is appropriately priced.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone paying $20 or almost $20 for a CD is a maroon and deserves to be fleeced. They're easily found for brand new $10-$13 at most major online retailers, most of which offer some kind of free shipping.

[paulisded]

Why?

Many reasons. For one, I want the artists I like to be able to continue to record and release music. Also, even with proper backups laptops and ipods die, and much of my stuff cannot be replaced.

It's a lifestyle thing, I guess. I want a physical product.

[paulisded]

Some of these replies are weird.

I dl torrents for movies, comics, and music. I even dl ron and fez since my xm broke, but to be honest I dl'd it even when it did work.

I just don't tink a cd is worth 20 bucks, and to be honnest if it weren't for torrents I'd never buy a comic anyway.

Now dvd's I will buy, readily available at 3-5 bucks at most retailers its the only one that I think is appropriately priced.

I don't see any "weird" responses. A question was asked, and a variety of opinions commenced. I don't see anybody saying they pay $20 for CD's, though.

[instrument]

I see weird replies about dl'ing individual mp3's and waiting hrs for one to dl.

Is that better for you?

[boosterp]

I am a mix of legal through iTunes, etc and some shady stuff.

[TripleSkeet]

Im more of a movie person myself. So I buy dvd's (although I havent in awhile) and I will go to the movies to see a movie I really want to see and feel it would be better to see there. But for movies Im just interested in but dont have the time or feel like spending the money to see, those I will download.

For instance this summer Ill go to the theaters for Transformers and Harry Potter. But I downloaded Wolverine, The Hangover and Angels and Demons.

As far as music goes, I cant see ever paying for it again while the option is out there to DL it for free. And I have all my music backed up.

Same with comic books. If I decide I want to read a certain comic, I just download it. Cant see spending the money for it when I dont have to. I have more important stuff to spend my money on.

[MacVittie]

occasionally

[TheMojoPin]

As far as music goes, I cant see ever paying for it again while the option is out there to DL it for free. And I have all my music backed up.

Same with comic books. If I decide I want to read a certain comic, I just download it. Cant see spending the money for it when I dont have to. I have more important stuff to spend my money on.

The option is out there for you to pretty much get anything free.

[fezident]

I see weird replies about dl'ing individual mp3's and waiting hrs for one to dl.

Is that better for you?

I've heard people complain that it takes DAYS to download a band's discography. My time is worth something and, more importantly, the ARTIST'S TIME is worth something.


Also... the bit rates. This is a real issue for me. I want perfection. I care about fidelity and sound quality. There are many many many "sharers" out there that don't know jack shit about compression and bit rates. They'll take a file that's already been crunched at 128kbps and "improve" it by re-encoding it at 320kbps so they can have it at "near CD quality". That's fucking retarded on every level, and I don't want any part of that nonsense.

I won't even address the "doesn't cause viruses" issue. It does. It's a reality. Period. End.


I've played on recordings that get downloaded. Do I get royalties? Nope. I didn't write that stuff. But it's my job to create this stuff. I am in that world.


It's also worth mentioning that I have a job and I have noooo problem with spending money on things I want. I do, after all, want them, ya know? Sorry if that sounds soapboxy but, yeah, I have a problem with people who say "WHY?" when they hear that people pay for something that actually COSTS something to produce. That confuses you? Really??

[paulisded]

I see weird replies about dl'ing individual mp3's and waiting hrs for one to dl.

Is that better for you?

Fair enough, and no offense was intended.

[paulisded]

I've heard people complain that it takes DAYS to download a band's discography. My time is worth something and, more importantly, the ARTIST'S TIME is worth something.


Also... the bit rates. This is a real issue for me. I want perfection. I care about fidelity and sound quality. There are many many many "sharers" out there that don't know jack shit about compression and bit rates. They'll take a file that's already been crunched at 128kbps and "improve" it by re-encoding it at 320kbps so they can have it at "near CD quality". That's fucking retarded on every level, and I don't want any part of that nonsense.

I won't even address the "doesn't cause viruses" issue. It does. It's a reality. Period. End.


I've played on recordings that get downloaded. Do I get royalties? Nope. I didn't write that stuff. But it's my job to create this stuff. I am in that world.


It's also worth mentioning that I have a job and I have noooo problem with spending money on things I want. I do, after all, want them, ya know? Sorry if that sounds soapboxy but, yeah, I have a problem with people who say "WHY?" when they hear that people pay for something that actually COSTS something to produce. That confuses you? Really??

Yes, to all of this.

[JerseyRich]

I've heard people complain that it takes DAYS to download a band's discography. My time is worth something and, more importantly, the ARTIST'S TIME is worth something.


Also... the bit rates. This is a real issue for me. I want perfection. I care about fidelity and sound quality. There are many many many "sharers" out there that don't know jack shit about compression and bit rates. They'll take a file that's already been crunched at 128kbps and "improve" it by re-encoding it at 320kbps so they can have it at "near CD quality". That's fucking retarded on every level, and I don't want any part of that nonsense.

I won't even address the "doesn't cause viruses" issue. It does. It's a reality. Period. End.


I've played on recordings that get downloaded. Do I get royalties? Nope. I didn't write that stuff. But it's my job to create this stuff. I am in that world.


It's also worth mentioning that I have a job and I have noooo problem with spending money on things I want. I do, after all, want them, ya know? Sorry if that sounds soapboxy but, yeah, I have a problem with people who say "WHY?" when they hear that people pay for something that actually COSTS something to produce. That confuses you? Really??


Exactly.

and GameHHH, are you really happy with yourself for basically being a thief? There is no way around that fact...You are stealing, and saying that everyone does it doesn't make it a good thing.
If you don't support the artists by buying their music, purchasing a tshirt at their show(rather than from a dude in the parking lot) and maybe a sticker or a keychain here and there, then that artist will eventually stop making money at making music and won't see the point anymore...then we all lose.

Artists deserve to be reimbursed for their efforts. Support them.

[instrument]

i got a $20 itunes gift card 3-4 years ago and its still at $11 bucks...

i use linux and osx, and have never had a virus on either from a torrent file.

if you can afford to buy an artists discography that's great for you, there's a pixies box set coming out you'd love...but the second one of those discs gets skipped you're fucked.

Before mp3's i was buying cd's and copying them to mini discs because i was sick of scratched cd's....then came mp3's and i stuck all my scratched worthless cd's in storage cases and put them out in the garage.

the fact that the recording industry seemingly wants to stop us from copying music we own just pisses me off further. Yet they complain about slumping sales...

i just don't get it.

[Death Metal Moe]

Because of the fact that I've been trying to sell band CDs for years now I support musicians by buying their actual CDs a lot. I use downloads to check out an artist I usually wouldn't consider and then try to buy it. I am an old fashioned guy who does like having a hard copy of the CD on hand, you can't always find torrents of the artists you want.

I won't like and say I buy EVERY CD that I ever downloaded, that would be far from the truth. But I try to.

[paulisded]

i got a $20 itunes gift card 3-4 years ago and its still at $11 bucks...

i use linux and osx, and have never had a virus on either from a torrent file.

if you can afford to buy an artists discography that's great for you, there's a pixies box set coming out you'd love...but the second one of those discs gets skipped you're fucked.

Before mp3's i was buying cd's and copying them to mini discs because i was sick of scratched cd's....then came mp3's and i stuck all my scratched worthless cd's in storage cases and put them out in the garage.

the fact that the recording industry seemingly wants to stop us from copying music we own just pisses me off further. Yet they complain about slumping sales...

i just don't get it.

I've maybe had 3 ruined discs in the 25 years I've been buying them.

[fezident]

if you can afford to buy an artists discography that's great for you, .

If you can't afford to buy it, then, well.... that's too bad. Too bad FOR YOU. It shouldn't be "too bad for the artist". That doesn't make a lick o' sense.

Work harder.

Whatever!

But don't even attempt to make the case that, because I can afford it, well... la de frickin' da.
My pricetag is your pricetag. The only difference is... I actually go to the register.

[spoon]

I spend hundreds (maybe even a couple of thousand) dollars on music each year.

I am very particular about getting the actual version/mix that the artist wants me to hear, in the order that the artist intended for me to hear it.
I hate squashed MP3's at low bit rates.

And, I'm more than happy to support my fellow musicians. Additionally, I'm not into viruses or waiting 19 hours for something to download or whatever the fuck goes on with these file sharing sites.
I proudly purchase it from legit outlets.

I totally agree with this. Call me old fashioned or Blowhardian, but I like the actual hardware (CD and booklet) and often read through them. I can't stand the sound from some of the mp3 versions vs that of the actual cd. Usually the MP3 version is all maxed out to get more ump from shitty comp speakers and or ipods.

[TripleSkeet]

The option is out there for you to pretty much get anything free.

I know. My point was I dont care enough about music to have to buy it. Downloading it and burning it to cd's is good enough for me. Movies on the other hand Id rather have the dvd with the case and the extras, so even if I download a movie originally to save the money Id spend in a theater, I still may buy the dvd later.



and GameHHH, are you really happy with yourself for basically being a thief? There is no way around that fact...You are stealing, and saying that everyone does it doesn't make it a good thing.



I dont know about him but since I fit in that category I say yes. Im perfectly happy with myself. It doesnt bother me at all. I look at it this way, even if its costing the musicians money and they cant live in multi million dollar mansions and drive Ferraris....tough shit. Being paid the same as a middle class American to make music is still better then having to go get a real job.

[Death Metal Moe]

i got a $20 itunes gift card 3-4 years ago and its still at $11 bucks...

i use linux and osx, and have never had a virus on either from a torrent file.

if you can afford to buy an artists discography that's great for you, there's a pixies box set coming out you'd love...but the second one of those discs gets skipped you're fucked.

Before mp3's i was buying cd's and copying them to mini discs because i was sick of scratched cd's....then came mp3's and i stuck all my scratched worthless cd's in storage cases and put them out in the garage.

the fact that the recording industry seemingly wants to stop us from copying music we own just pisses me off further. Yet they complain about slumping sales...

i just don't get it.

So you feel you own nothing to an artist? Even if you don't care about the money the record company needs back you don't want to see the artist make any money for their work?

Your post sucks cocks.

And let's not demonize the record label too much either. They bring artists to us, they are part of this. Yes, the internet changed things but in the end we'll still need record companies. Without them pushing big name artists everyone would just kinda be equal on the internet trying to get traffic to their site. The record industry needs to update but they're not dead by any means.

[fezident]

I am an old fashioned guy who does like having a hard copy of the CD on hand, you can't always find torrents of the artists you want.


DMM, I think perhaps because we actually create music... we're very into the whole liner notes... credits... artwork... track listing... photography thing.

I fear that ALL of that is going the way of the betamax though.

[TheMojoPin]

I know. My point was I dont care enough about music to have to buy it. Downloading it and burning it to cd's is good enough for me. Movies on the other hand Id rather have the dvd with the case and the extras, so even if I download a movie originally to save the money Id spend in a theater, I still may buy the dvd later.

So not "caring enough" about something makes never paying for it OK?

[fezident]

I totally agree with this. Call me old fashioned or Blowhardian, but I like the actual hardware (CD and booklet) and often read through them. I can't stand the sound from some of the mp3 versions vs that of the actual cd. Usually the MP3 version is all maxed out to get more ump from shitty comp speakers and or ipods.

QFT.

[TripleSkeet]

So you feel you own nothing to an artist? Even if you don't care about the money the record company needs back you don't want to see the artist make any money for their work?


Moe, did you feel the same way in the 80's when someone would buy a tape, and would copy it to a blank tape for his friends? Because in my opinion thats exactly what file sharing is. Just because weve got technology now that makes it easier doesnt mean its any different then what we did back then.

[paulisded]

DMM, I think perhaps because we actually create music... we're very into the whole liner notes... credits... artwork... track listing... photography thing.

I fear that ALL of that is going the way of the betamax though.

Wait a second, I completely agree with you and I don't create music!!!

[NickyL0885]

I do both. I'll use iTunes to buy and torrent or have a friend send me stuff since he is connected in the music biz. I know people complain about people stealing but i'm not going to pay $15-$20 for a CD when I only like one song on the album. CDs should be in the $7-$10 range. Also, your not really supporting the Artist by buying CDs in stores. The band gets barely any of that. Support Artist by going to shows, buying merch and buying the CDs at the shows. If I buy, I try to buy stuff for bands that are on Indie labels since they need it more then bands like U2 who are on Major labels and have tons of money already.

[fezident]

Moe, did you feel the same way in the 80's when someone would buy a tape, and would copy it to a blank tape for his friends? Because in my opinion thats exactly what file sharing is. Just because weve got technology now that makes it easier doesnt mean its any different then what we did back then.

This case has been made before, and even I will admit that it has some logic/merit.
But... to me... yeah.... it IS different somehow.

Making ONE tape for ONE friend ON OCCASION is (probably) exactly what the artists hoped would happen. Music is communal. And that person who received the tape might very well go on to become a "revenue generating fan".
But, leaving your hard drive open... gaping to the entire f'ing planet... without pricetag (or even friendship!) attached is the opposite of what the artist intended.

Yes... I know it's a fine line. And yes... it's splitting hairs. But, that difference IS there and it DOES negatively affect the musicians who work so hard to deliver this stuff to you in the first place.

[TripleSkeet]

So not "caring enough" about something makes never paying for it OK?

Doesnt matter if its ok or not. My point was how for some people the quality of the music was the important thing where that didnt matter to me.

Im not trying to justify anything. I understand some people feel its wrong. To me its dumb to spend money on something you can get for free.

[fezident]

Wait a second, I completely agree with you and I don't create music!!!
Duly noted.
You are, without question, on the light side of the force, my friend.

[mikeyboy]

This case has been made before, and even I will admit that it has some logic/merit.
But... to me... yeah.... it IS different somehow.

Making ONE tape for ONE friend ON OCCASION is (probably) exactly what the artists hoped would happen. Music is communal. And that person who received the tape might very well go on to become a "revenue generating fan".
But, leaving your hard drive open... gaping to the entire f'ing planet... without pricetag (or even friendship!) attached is the opposite of what the artist intended.

Yes... I know it's a fine line. And yes... it's splitting hairs. But, that difference IS there and it DOES negatively affect the musicians who create it.

I don't even think it's that fine of a line.

[JerseyRich]

I know. My point was I dont care enough about music to have to buy it. Downloading it and burning it to cd's is good enough for me. Movies on the other hand Id rather have the dvd with the case and the extras, so even if I download a movie originally to save the money Id spend in a theater, I still may buy the dvd later.

I dont know about him but since I fit in that category I say yes. Im perfectly happy with myself. It doesnt bother me at all. I look at it this way, even if its costing the musicians money and they cant live in multi million dollar mansions and drive Ferraris....tough shit. Being paid the same as a middle class American to make music is still better then having to go get a real job.

Moe, did you feel the same way in the 80's when someone would buy a tape, and would copy it to a blank tape for his friends? Because in my opinion thats exactly what file sharing is. Just because weve got technology now that makes it easier doesnt mean its any different then what we did back then.


I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you are fucking insane and I honestly hope that you end up getting fined or in court because of your careless lifestyle.

[Death Metal Moe]

Moe, did you feel the same way in the 80's when someone would buy a tape, and would copy it to a blank tape for his friends? Because in my opinion thats exactly what file sharing is. Just because weve got technology now that makes it easier doesnt mean its any different then what we did back then.

I didn't do that a lot either because the quality sucked and you'd usually have HUGE spaces at the end of tape sides because you were putting a cassette album on a 90 minute tape.

Again, it was something I did sometimes but ultimately even back then before I was a musician I wanted the actual album. Album art and lyrics meant more back then for some reason too.

[Death Metal Moe]

Doesnt matter if its ok or not. My point was how for some people the quality of the music was the important thing where that didnt matter to me.

Im not trying to justify anything. I understand some people feel its wrong. To me its dumb to spend money on something you can get for free.

Well you can get that six pack of beer and chips free too. You're just taking more of a chance. You can get the guy down the street's BMW for free but there's much more risk stealing it and using it.

Just because file sharing is a much easier, harder to track crime doesn't make it less of a crime.

I have done it I'm just not trying to justify everything. I know it was wrong and I admit it. I'll probably do it again but I'm not going to make up some argument as to why it's not stealing.

[fezident]

I don't even think it's that fine of a line.

(neither do I. I was trying to brace myself for all "slippery slope" arguements that I'm sure are soon to raised.)

[DarkHippie]

I have a Rhapsody account, so I am paying for the music, but i only pay 12 a month and get just about every album ever released. I call that a bargain.

[Space Edge]

I still buy music most of the bands I like are punk or hardcore bands that cell a cd for only a couple of bucks most of them wouldn't be available on torrent sites or anything like that. I have no problem throwing some cash towards a small band that is out there working hard trying to do their thing. With technology now sometimes it's more convenient to buy something through iTunes then searching through torrent sites or usenet for a song or album. I like the fact that I can use my iphone and if I'm listening to the radio I hear a song just push a button for a app that figures out what the song is and then automatically buy it from iTunes. I still snag stuff off of torrent sites also and I don't spin the fact that it is illegal like some people do.

Either way I like the digital option over the physical option just for the connivence. It's a pain in the ass to lug around CD's when I can just carry one device. I know there is a quality difference and you can hear it with a .mp3 but with some of the loose less file types such as .ogg , AIFF, AAC and Flac I am satisfied with the quality.

[fezident]

I dont know about him but since I fit in that category I say yes. Im perfectly happy with myself. It doesnt bother me at all. I look at it this way, even if its costing the musicians money and they cant live in multi million dollar mansions and drive Ferraris....tough shit. Being paid the same as a middle class American to make music is still better then having to go get a real job.

Mr. Skeet.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.

[Space Edge]

I know. My point was I dont care enough about music to have to buy it. Downloading it and burning it to cd's is good enough for me. Movies on the other hand Id rather have the dvd with the case and the extras, so even if I download a movie originally to save the money Id spend in a theater, I still may buy the dvd later.




I dont know about him but since I fit in that category I say yes. Im perfectly happy with myself. It doesnt bother me at all. I look at it this way, even if its costing the musicians money and they cant live in multi million dollar mansions and drive Ferraris....tough shit. Being paid the same as a middle class American to make music is still better then having to go get a real job.

You have made some crazy statements in this thread and others about downloading stuff illegally. One day your going to end up getting caught and getting sued for millions of dollars. I'm all for downloading stuff illegally but not all musicians make tons of cash off of album sales most of the money goes to the record company most acts make their money touring.

Illegal downloading can carry a heavy price
(http://www.dailyiowan.com/2009/06/23/Metro/11797.html)

RIAA Collects Another Victory, This Time Over Usenet (http://www.crn.com/retail/218400153;jsessionid=DEOW5GCKBMLJGQSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2 JVN)

No matter how much you think you are protecting your identity when you download stuff illegally the software used to do that is not fool proof they can track you down and they will make an example out of you.

[TripleSkeet]

Mr. Skeet.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.

Billy Madison. See? I told you I was more a movie guy.

Well you can get that six pack of beer and chips free too. You're just taking more of a chance. You can get the guy down the street's BMW for free but there's much more risk stealing it and using it.

Just because file sharing is a much easier, harder to track crime doesn't make it less of a crime.

I have done it I'm just not trying to justify everything. I know it was wrong and I admit it. I'll probably do it again but I'm not going to make up some argument as to why it's not stealing.

I told you I wasnt trying to justify it. I dont care what people think of me.I never said it wasnt a crime Moe. There just some crimes you commit and some you dont. Personally I dont think file sharing should be a crime, so just because the government tells me its wrong, doesnt mean shit to me. I do it anyway.

Just like Im sure alot of guys do the same thing when they commit that awful "crime" of smoking weed.

[TripleSkeet]

You have made some crazy statements in this thread and others about downloading stuff illegally. One day your going to end up getting caught and getting sued for millions of dollars. I'm all for downloading stuff illegally but not all musicians make tons of cash off of album sales most of the money goes to the record company most acts make their money touring.

No I wont. Know why? Because I dont download stuff that often. And I dont "leave my shared files open for everyone to grab" like someone said earlier. If I hear a song I like, I go onto Limewire, I download it, and I move it to a different file and shut Limewire down. Im not one of these guys sharing 40,000 songs. I just grab what Im looking for and Im out.

What cracks me up is millions of people do this everyday and because I feel no shame or need to hide what I do Im considered the fucking nut.

[JerseyRich]

What cracks me up is millions of people do this everyday and because I feel no shame or need to hide what I do Im considered the fucking nut.

My comments are not limited to your actions...they are all fucking nuts too.

[instrument]

I can honestly say if it weren't for napster I wouldn't have ever been into music at all.

Prior to napster and being able to sit down at home and find new music and talk to people about their libraries I wouldn't have ever found the music which I like.

So you can say dl'ing is wrong, but if it weren't for napster I wouldn't have attended a single concert or bought a single cd after 1998.

[Gvac]

If 99 cents is too expensive then you don't deserve to listen.

This is someone's creative property and their livelihood.

I'll NEVER understand people who think "music should be free, maaaaaaaaaaaan!"

[TripleSkeet]

Well you can get that six pack of beer and chips free too. You're just taking more of a chance. You can get the guy down the street's BMW for free but there's much more risk stealing it and using it.

Just because file sharing is a much easier, harder to track crime doesn't make it less of a crime.

I have done it I'm just not trying to justify everything. I know it was wrong and I admit it. I'll probably do it again but I'm not going to make up some argument as to why it's not stealing.

Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt you post in the Pirate Bay thread that you DL movie torrents? I may have misread it, and if I did I apologize.

[Space Edge]

No I wont. Know why? Because I dont download stuff that often. And I dont "leave my shared files open for everyone to grab" like someone said earlier. If I hear a song I like, I go onto Limewire, I download it, and I move it to a different file and shut Limewire down. Im not one of these guys sharing 40,000 songs. I just grab what Im looking for and Im out.

What cracks me up is millions of people do this everyday and because I feel no shame or need to hide what I do Im considered the fucking nut.

and when your grabbing that they can still catch you, like I said it's not fool proof. Just because you shut down a program and move the file to a different directory doesn't mean it's not possible to get caught. Your ISP monitors all of your traffic so even if your on lime wire for only 1 min it still can be detected.

[denko]

there is a certain thing that happens to me when i buy a new album. there is an excitement or anticipation or satisaction i get (that doesn't come with downloadiing) walking in, seeking out what i'm after and even tearing off the plastic that pisses you off, and the sticker that holds it closed, i love it. a lot of the music i'm buying is old(er) and i feel like the packaging is part of the product. the pictures and liner notes and lyrics or whatever they put, its all part of the history and when i download i feel cheated out of those things.

to answer the question i have done/do both but i prefer to buy it.

[Kublakhan61]

I buy music on a weekly basis. I go to the record shop on wednesday afternoon and pick-up some new releases. I don't quite understand buying digital music because I can't reconcile the thought of paying real money for virtual goods but that's just me.

I download just about every release before I buy it to ensure that my money is being invested in a record I want to have in my home for all-time.

Perhaps there is something to be said about those who make music, or are simply passionate about it, and their willingness to buy - but I think it really comes down to looters in a riot. "Everybody steals so I can too" or "they've ripped me off for years - I deserve it" is some real weak shit.

If you want it pay for it.

[TripleSkeet]

"Everybody steals so I can too" or "they've ripped me off for years - I deserve it" is some real weak shit.

If you want it pay for it.


See heres where we differ. If you get some kind of pleasure or moral satisfaction from buying music, I have no problem with that. Even if you dont but just prefer to buy music thats cool with me.

What I dont get is why people have a problem with the people that prefer to just download. See Im real big on live and let live. Im not gonna lecture anyone on why they should take advantage of technology to get something for free. Because it doesnt matter to me what you do.

I guess my question is, why does it bother people if others download music for free?

[Kublakhan61]

I guess my question is, why does it bother people if others download music for free?

Would you work for no pay?

[TripleSkeet]

Would you work for no pay?

Thats not answering my question.

[JerseyRich]

I guess my question is, why does it bother people if others download music for free?

Because of this careless activity, well will all suffer one day.

It's like sayin, "Why do you care if illegal immigrants cross the border?"

[Kublakhan61]

Thats not answering my question.


It bothers me because its shortsighted and selfish.


It isn't up to you to decide who gets paid for their work - it's the rules of the game. This goes beyond the artist, as well. You are deciding that the retailers who order the music to sell to you, aren't worth paying. The manufacturer's of the physical product aren't worth paying. That the people who design the websites and upload the content to be sold aren't worth paying. And so on.
Your labor isn't free, nor is theirs.

[Chunga's Revenge]

Both. Downloaded Van Morrison's Too Late To Stop Now on Limewire years ago.When it was remastered on CD last year, I bought it. Sometimes I hear a song from a band I don't know, and Limewire it.If I really like it, I usually buy it.

[TheGameHHH]

Exactly.

and GameHHH, are you really happy with yourself for basically being a thief? There is no way around that fact...You are stealing, and saying that everyone does it doesn't make it a good thing.
If you don't support the artists by buying their music, purchasing a tshirt at their show(rather than from a dude in the parking lot) and maybe a sticker or a keychain here and there, then that artist will eventually stop making money at making music and won't see the point anymore...then we all lose.

Artists deserve to be reimbursed for their efforts. Support them.

I'm totally happy with it. I don't complain when I shell out a hundred bucks to sit in a seat and watch them
play live so hopefully they're cool with me taking 99 cents back

[Death Metal Moe]

Correct me if Im wrong, but didnt you post in the Pirate Bay thread that you DL movie torrents? I may have misread it, and if I did I apologize.

I did, but I'm not convincing myself it's not stealing.

And I don't download movies that much, I hate movies. Most of them suck and I have about 5 of them on actual DVD. But I have downloaded them.

I wasn't saying you should care what people think, I was saying you should stop convincing yourself you're not doing something wrong. You are. I don't care if you don't think file sharing isn't stealing, it is. That's the sticking point here, you've convinced yourself somehow that you've done nothing wrong when you have.

[furie]

i'll buy a cd or song occasionally.
if it's a band or artist that i like, then i'll support them

[fezident]

It's becoming quite clear to me that many of you don't have even the slightest idea how the music business works. "I pay for concert tickets..." and whatnot. "... living in mansions and driving Ferraris...." and so forth.
Clueless.


Tour support costs MILLIONS of dollars. Where do you think that money comes from? I'll tell you. Radio and retail.

Just having one tour bus on the road can cost, like, 6000 a month. And that's just the bus. Each and every roadie probably makes 1000 week. Backing musicians.... lights... pyro... inspectors.... riggers.... tour coordinators.... plane tix... cartage... local crew... merch... set design... pre production... rehearsals... backline... hotels... ALL THIS SHIT COSTS MONEY.

The success of one artist can sustain the tour support (life support!) of many of the smaller artists on that label.
"I can download U2 songs because.... they have enough money already" is illogical. If U2 doesn't do well... you can say goodbye to a dozen other smaller bands that you too-cool-for-schoolers can pretend to enjoy. (I say pretend because... you don't support them in any way, shape, or form.)

If you download the next Madonna record, there won't be any money for a fucking Volkswagen VAN for bands like Head Automatica, or whatever.

Nothing exists in a vacuum. Is this concept really all that foreign to you guys? The LABEL gets hurt... the roster gets hurt... YOU get hurt.

The rock legends that you guys (pretend to) love, like Led Zepplin and shit. They are who they are because people PAID to hear them. The success of each record enabled the creation of the one after it. Next thing ya know... it's 10 years later and they have a library of material to draw from.

Amazing that people think that stealing music has absolutely no ramifications. It frightens me to think of what other simple concepts you are incapable of grasping.

[TripleSkeet]

I did, but I'm not convincing myself it's not stealing.

And I don't download movies that much, I hate movies. Most of them suck and I have about 5 of them on actual DVD. But I have downloaded them.

I wasn't saying you should care what people think, I was saying you should stop convincing yourself you're not doing something wrong. You are. I don't care if you don't think file sharing isn't stealing, it is. That's the sticking point here, you've convinced yourself somehow that you've done nothing wrong when you have.

This is the second time Ive had to say this. I never said it wasnt stealing. But like I said, in my opinion its not wrong. Its a crime I dont agree with, just like people that smoke weed dont agree with that being a crime. So its one that I ignore. Its not wrong because you say it is, thats just YOUR OPINION. Which even if I dont agree with it I completely respect.

It bothers me because its shortsighted and selfish.


It isn't up to you to decide who gets paid for their work - it's the rules of the game. This goes beyond the artist, as well. You are deciding that the retailers who order the music to sell to you, aren't worth paying. The manufacturer's of the physical product aren't worth paying. That the people who design the websites and upload the content to be sold aren't worth paying. And so on.
Your labor isn't free, nor is theirs.

And thats where youre wrong. Its completely up to me. If it wasnt up to me this conversation wouldnt even be happening. Just like its completely up to you if you want to buy music and from where. See how this whole "each person decides for themselves" gimmick works?

[TripleSkeet]

Your labor isn't free, nor is theirs.

What makes me laugh about this statement is some of the people in this thread criticizing me are some of the same ones in another thread saying how they should only tip if they feel like it even though as a bartender thats where I make my living. $2.83 an hour isnt paid labor so I guess my labor is free to them if they feel like it.

[TheGameHHH]

What makes me laugh about this statement is some of the people in this thread criticizing me are some of the same ones in another thread saying how they should only tip if they feel like it even though as a bartender thats where I make my living. $2.83 an hour isnt paid labor so I guess my labor is free to them if they feel like it.

dont even bother addressing it, most of the opinions stated above are holier than thou. like theyve never taken advantage of anything in their lives and have always made sure people benefit off their actions. its hypocracy and its laughable.

[fezident]

dont even bother addressing it, most of the opinions stated above are holier than thou. like theyve never taken advantage of anything in their lives and have always made sure people benefit off their actions. its hypocracy and its laughable.


I pay for things I want to own. I always have.
Laugh all you want.

[TheMojoPin]

What makes me laugh about this statement is some of the people in this thread criticizing me are some of the same ones in another thread saying how they should only tip if they feel like it even though as a bartender thats where I make my living. $2.83 an hour isnt paid labor so I guess my labor is free to them if they feel like it.

So because some people here or there selfishly didn't tip you here or there (yet most did and you got paid, albeit shitty as it is) it's OK for you to never pay for music or comic books?

[fezident]

The bartender analogy doesn't belong anywhere in this thread.
The customer paid for the drink, right? End of discussion.

Tell the owner of the bar (the label) to give all the drinks (music) away for free for the next ten years. Then.... when the bar goes out of business .... please come back here and gripe about how you unfairly lost your job.

[TheGameHHH]

I pay for things I want to own. I always have.
Laugh all you want.

im certainly not laughing at you, youre free to do what you want. but dont sit here and cast judgement on people that chose not to pay like youre some kind of moral police that always sticks up for the right in the world.

[TripleSkeet]

So because some people here or there selfishly didn't tip you here or there (yet most did and you got paid, albeit shitty as it is) it's OK for you to never pay for music or comic books?

Well the way I look at it is this, especially for the comics, if I didnt download them, I just wouldnt have read them. I wouldnt have gone out and bought it. Same thing for the music really.

I mean its not like I never bought music. I own about 200 cd's. Its just now I have all those downloaded, plus random songs here and there I might like. I told you Im not really into music that much anymore. Most of the shit I download, I probably wouldnt buy if I had to pay for it.

[TripleSkeet]

The bartender analogy doesn't belong anywhere in this thread.
The customer paid for the drink, right? End of discussion.

Tell the owner of the bar (the label) to give all the drinks (music) away for free for the next ten years. Then.... when the bar goes out of business .... please come back here and gripe about how you unfairly lost your job.

No see, you said I get paid for my LABOR. Not for the product. It fits perfectly actually.

[fezident]

No see, you said I get paid for my LABOR. Not for the product. It fits perfectly actually.


But it's THE PRODUCT that's being stolen here. The cost of the product covers the expense of the labor that produced it.

[fezident]

im certainly not laughing at you, youre free to do what you want. but dont sit here and cast judgement on people that chose not to pay like youre some kind of moral police that always sticks up for the right in the world.

You just admitted that I'm "right" and, yet still continue to argue your point?!

I'm punchin' out, Buddays.

[TheGameHHH]

You just admitted that I'm "right" and, yet still continue to argue your point?!

I'm punchin' out, Buddays.

you certainly enjoy reading into things, dont you? when i quoted your post i dont remember saying "you're right" or "im arguing my point, im right".

and awesome, youre punching out. thanks 1998.

[sailor]

for the most part, yes.

[paracetamol flanders]

Absolutely. I buy LPs except when I want something for my iPod, in which case I'll buy a CD. I almost never download. I always listen to records when I am at home. Even those annoyingly short 7"s.

[Kublakhan61]

Absolutely. I buy LPs except when I want something for my iPod, in which case I'll buy a CD. I almost never download. I always listen to records when I am at home. Even those annoyingly short 7"s.

Sadly, some of the best songs are 7" release only. Blasts!!

I strictly buy lps unless its a cd only release. If I want it for the iPod, and I just bought it, I download it. I consider buying a copy of the lp a license to dl. At some point I expect all lps will come with a download voucher.

[MC Pee Pants]

I try as much as possible to buy my music. I like to actually support the artist I listen to so maybe they can afford to make some new music.

[Donnie Iris]

I still buy my music.

[boobieman]

I use to steal now I buy...Amazon.com...only .99 and it is not protected. And now they have tons of shit. Itunes sucks, unless you have a ipod. Use to be able to burn songs bought on itunes to a CDRW..but now it does not work. Fuck them.

SEESSEEEEYAY

[Chunga's Revenge]

The Beatles remastered CD's come out on Sept.9. Guess I'll buy them all again.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

All I own is a record player. I mean I guess I could play CD's on my laptop or DVD player, but I like looking for records at junk stores. I don't own any CD's either.

[K.C.]

I can consider myself the Robin Hood of music consumerism.

I buy indie band albums, and young bands that I like trying to establish themselves.

I thieve mainstream stuff.

[IamFogHat]

I buy all my music from Itunes for two reasons, 1. the convenience, 2. everyone is always giving me gift cards for Itunes for birthdays and christmas and shit, so technically I don't pay I guess. So I guess the answer is I get my music from a legal music distributer for free via gift cards.