Impossible To Overrate

[Gvac]

There are some people who have so fully transcended their particular field of endeavor that not matter how much praise is heaped on them it's still impossible for them to ever be considered "overrated."

Wayne Gretzky comes to mind. They nicknamed him "The Great One" and he's universally recognized as one of the best (if the THE best) hockey players of all time. He completely changed the game forever and rewrote the record books by shattering the previous marks, not just surpassing them.

Another guy I think belongs in this category is Eric Clapton. I've been re-listening to a ton of his old stuff recently and his guitar playing still blows me away. It's been 40 years since he was proclaimed "God" and he's gone from blues to rock to psychedelia to country to reggae to pop and back again, always playing impeccably, with absolutely killer tone.

Who else ya got?

Any field...doesn't matter. Sports, music, acting, comedy, etc.

[hammersavage]

The Wire. It is the great American novel, just happened to be a TV show. I have no fear of overhyping when recommending it. Every other show featuring a cop, lawyer, drug dealer, etc. seems fake and poor in comparison.

[thepaulo]

William Shatner

[TheGameHHH]

Tiger Woods and Rodger Federer

[Stankfoot]

Richard Pryor

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[drjoek]

Gvac of RonFez.net

[sailor]

federer.

[Dude!]

freddie mercury
for rock singers

[Uncle Fezster]

Johnny Carson

[OGC]

This is what you get for letting this thread get to 10 posts before mentioning this guy.

http://www.teddwebb.com/showcase/where_are_they_now/ron_bennnington.jpg

[burrben]

i only liked clapton in cream. everything else he did was boring.

[DarkHippie]

its impossible to overrate woody guthrie as a songwriter. The man wrote [I]thousands[I] of songs, captured and preserved many of the iconic traditional songs of america, and acted as the voice of the displaced common folk during the dust bowl and great depression.

[Kevin]

Tiger Woods and Rodger Federer

I agree with Tiger obviously.

But Federer has gotten his ass kicked left and right by Nedal.

Tiger has no peers.

[Kublakhan61]

ENO is God.

[DiabloSammich]

Da Vinci fucking kicked ass.

[Kevin]

Da Vinci fucking kicked ass.

He spoke too much in codes, for my liking.

[Coach]

Jesus..he invented the chair with a back, and he's who everyone thanks after a big win.

[KnoxHarrington]

http://www.waccobb.net/forums/attachments/events-classes/6037d1243470484-lots-more-info-harmony-festival-2009-music_miles_davis_bg.jpg

[silks]

Secretariat.

[TheGameHHH]

I agree with Tiger obviously.

But Federer has gotten his ass kicked left and right by Nedal.

Tiger has no peers.

losing isnt a bad thing here, nobody is perfect.

[denko]

http://storesense1.carrierzone.com/stores/h/HS12284/catalog/Oct92007%20002.jpg

[cougarjake13]

def tiger

[sailor]

I agree with Tiger obviously.

But Federer has gotten his ass kicked left and right by Nedal.

Tiger has no peers.

didn't tiger lose his number 1 ranking to vijay for a while a few years ago? and nadal is leading federer 13-7 overall, but is 9-2 vs him on clay. nadal is getting better but has been a one-surface specialist for the most part. it'd be like tiger losing consistently to some guy who was a mini-golf specialist.

yes, obviously there's hyperbole in there, but you get the point.

[hedges]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt72/LorieBeaaaasty/michael-jordan.jpg

Michael Jordan is still the best.

[hedges]

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Danny Gatton

[keithy_19]

I'm going to throw Gordie Howe into this discussion. The guy is the symbol of longevity. He also was a great, great, great player. You don't get the name Mr. Hockey for nothing.

[DiabloSammich]

He spoke too much in codes, for my liking.



Haterzzzz! Die in a bucket of aids!!!!

[badorties]

The Wire. It is the great American novel, just happened to be a TV show. I have no fear of overhyping when recommending it. Every other show featuring a cop, lawyer, drug dealer, etc. seems fake and poor in comparison.

i just finished the fifth season, and i can stop selling its brilliance to friends and family

Da Vinci fucking kicked ass.

that was my first thought

mariano rivera, george washington, babe ruth, lance armstong, elvis costello and bill russel come to mind

[TheGameHHH]

i just finished the fifth season, and i can stop selling its brilliance to friends and family



that was my first thought

mariano rivera, george washington, babe ruth, lance armstong, elvis costello and bill russel come to mind

i thought about adding Lance and Bonds, but the steroid thing really made me think twice in posting them here. i hate the fact that they both lie about it, their lack of honesty makes me respect them less.

[Evolved]

Tiger Woods and Rodger Federer

I agree with Tiger obviously.

But Federer has gotten his ass kicked left and right by Nedal.

Tiger has no peers.

def tiger

Tiger isn't overrated but he's definitely over hyped.

[Kevin]

Haterzzzz! Die in a bucket of aids!!!!

Would you die very fast of drowning, or like in 5-10 years?

[Snoogans]

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/08/08-15/tiger-woods.jpg

[Snoogans]

i thought about adding Lance and Bonds, but the steroid thing really made me think twice in posting them here. i hate the fact that they both lie about it, their lack of honesty makes me respect them less.

In fairness, there has never been proof against Lance. its obvious, but never proof

[sailor]

In fairness, there has never been proof against Lance. its obvious, but never proof

and it's so rampant in their sport anyways.

[barjockey]

http://static.flickr.com/1189/1404343985_82ea66d8e2.jpg

[MacVittie]

The Beatles

http://www.dancingmood.net/musicaloccupation/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/beatles1.jpg

[hedges]

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John Popper's harmonica playing

[Ritalin]

Frank Gehry.

[keithy_19]

http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/images/album-The-Clash-London-Calling.jpg

The Album and the band.

[keithy_19]

http://www.eadg4.com/images/matt-freeman02k.jpg



Matt Freeman, basist of Rancid. Amazing.

[TooLowBrow]

anyone can be overrated, this thread should be about people you cant underrate

[TooLowBrow]

http://www.eadg4.com/images/matt-freeman02k.jpg



Matt Freeman, basist of Rancid. Amazing.

:thumbup:

[Dougie Brootal]

john petrucci

bill murray

coen brothers

[hedges]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/michaelavard22/StevieRayVaughnPhotorazzi.jpg

[hedges]

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o91/unicahija_yen/Jaco_Pastorius.jpg

Jaco Pastorius

Musically speaking, this could go on for quite awhile.

[TNABuffalo]

http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/images/album-The-Clash-London-Calling.jpg

The Album and the band.

Completely overrated

[underdog]

Frank Gehry.

The residents of some of his leaky buildings may disagree.

Matt Freeman, basist of Rancid. Amazing.

A Rancid musician amazing? Really?

[TooLowBrow]

A Rancid musician amazing? Really?

really

[dino_electropolis]

Maynard James Keenan from Tool

[hedges]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u5/mauriceburns/SteveGadd2.jpg

This could be a long list.

[underdog]

really

If someone said anyone in Rancid were decent musicians, they'd be overrated.

[TNABuffalo]

Most musicians are overrated by their own fans.

[hedges]

Most musicians are overrated by their own fans.

Very true, but some musicians, by way of massive technique, passion, and style are able to transcend just a traditional fanbase.

[TNABuffalo]

Very true, but some musicians, by way of massive technique, passion, and style are able to transcend just a traditional fanbase.

very few, and even fewer can be said to be immune to being overrated,

[MacVittie]

Rancid is a great band, but the operative word here is "impossible."

[TooLowBrow]

"there will never be another actress better than heather graham"
-TooLowBrow




overrated?

[hedges]

very few, and even fewer can be said to be immune to being overrated,

Good point, cause even virtuosos can be accused of being overrated.

[hedges]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u28/gpc_corp/slot-1/ah_alanholdsworth03_photo_genevieve.jpg

Allan Holdsworth

[hedges]

Music being subjective and sports being more objective, numbers based, means that music and musicians can more easily be considered overrated.

[TNABuffalo]

but most are, and most of the ones that are "underrated" are for a reason....there really should be a separate thread for musicians

[hedges]

but most are, and most of the ones that are "underrated" are for a reason....there really should be a separate thread for musicians

I agree.

[Snoogans]

Otis Redding

[Kevin]

Tim Redding

[MC Pee Pants]

Tim Redding

Not funny. And sports isnt totally objective, numbers can be deceiving. You could have the most clutch player ever but still not look totally impressive with stats. Then he would be underrated if your going by that.

[Snoogans]

Not funny. And sports isnt totally objective, numbers can be deceiving. You could have the most clutch player ever but still not look totally impressive with stats. Then he would be underrated if your going by that.

I thought it was pretty funny. Almost as funny as 2 runs on 3 hits gettin a loss

[MC Pee Pants]

I thought it was pretty funny. Almost as funny as 2 runs on 3 hits gettin a loss

mmmm...when David Wright is the only guy in line up you really need to go after its not hard to beat this team. Alex Cora, real threat at the plate. Save it for the other thread.

[Snoogans]

mmmm...when David Wright is the only guy in line up you really need to go after its not hard to beat this team. Alex Cora, real threat at the plate. Save it for the other thread.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees-redsox-blog/broom_big.jpg

[RhinoInVT]

John Candy

http://iceicebabies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/tn2_john_candy_3.jpg

[hedges]

Not funny. And sports isnt totally objective, numbers can be deceiving. You could have the most clutch player ever but still not look totally impressive with stats. Then he would be underrated if your going by that.

It's still objective to see a clutch player perform with not the most impressive stats. With music you either like it or you don't, or you're somewhere in the middle. It's subjective.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Michael Jordan. Albert Einstein. Paul Newman.

[MC Pee Pants]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees-redsox-blog/broom_big.jpg

I brought up clutchness, not the Mets. Your hurting me.

[hedges]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/sitbashenjoy/Brecker_Michaelsmall.jpg

Michael Brecker R.I.P.

[Dirtbag]

Fedor Emelianenko

[A.J.]

Cheese and vegetables.

[dino_electropolis]

Kim Kardashian's ass

[thepaulo]

Cheese and vegetables.

Just Cheese.

[realmenhatelife]

The residents of some of his leaky buildings may disagree.



A Rancid musician amazing? Really?

Matt Freeman is one of those guys who is great at like 10 instruments and I think he comes from a family of really serious musicians. He happens to be in Ranicd. Aside from being a really good bass player he's been hugely influential in what has happened in punk since the late 80s.

Anything the Clash is overrated, which is no small feat, but true, because of much they get brought up.

Alan Moore is impossible to overrate. He works in a bubble so noone is ever doing the work he's doing. You can't really use the same language to talk about his work and everyone elses. None of the artsy fartsy guys can write the low culture stuff he does, and none of the people working on traditional subject matter care so little about money and what other people think. I really feel like he's one of the few people today, working in any medium, that is truly creating his art solely for himself.

[Bob Impact]

Tom Waits motherfuckers.

[Dude!]

Tom Waits motherfuckers.

it's time to lock this thread
people are obviously not
taking it seriously

[Bob Impact]

it's time to lock this thread
people are obviously not
taking it seriously

Are you speaking in terrible haikus?

[Hottub]

Mikeyboy

[Bob Impact]

Mikeyboy

OK I'm with Dude now, NOW people are obviously not taking this seriously.

[foodcourtdruide]

Sidney Lumet.

[dino_electropolis]

Shakespeare.....have had a chance to revisit some of his work and it's always amazing to see what he can do with language.
The Bard, indeed.

[foodcourtdruide]

Shakespeare.....have had a chance to revisit some of his work and it's always amazing to see what he can do with language.
The Bard, indeed.

Othello really changed how I appreciate stories. The idea that Iago never told anyone why he hated Othello so much really blew my mind, and to this day may be the coolest heel moment ever.

[El Mudo]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0808/playoff.appearance.streaks/images/boston-bruins-bobby-orr(triolo).jpg



Not only did Orr completely change the game in terms of the "rushing defenceman", but he also put up insane numbers that will never be duplicated by a defenceman ever again.

Orr had what I consider to be the greatest statistical season a hockey player has ever had, in 1971

37 goals 102 assists 139 points...as a DEFENCEMAN....(and only 5 of those goals came on the PP)

He was also +124 that year.....+124




He also had one of the greatest sports photo moments ever

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/sports/year_in_sports/photos/05.10.jpg

[El Mudo]

And this guy too

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/10/27/1130439217_0429.jpg

[underdog]

And this guy too

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/10/27/1130439217_0429.jpg

The numbers he put up as a pitcher during the Steroid Era are remarkable.

[El Mudo]

The numbers he put up as a pitcher during the Steroid Era are remarkable.


In a hitter's ball park, in a hitter's league...absolutely astounding

[Snoogans]

In a hitter's ball park, in a hitter's league...absolutely astounding

Aside from down the lines, Fenway is not really a hitters ballpark. If you can keep it within 20 feet of the polls you can steal a cheap one, but you lose alot of em goin to right center. ALOT.

[El Mudo]

Aside from down the lines, Fenway is not really a hitters ballpark. If you can keep it within 20 feet of the polls you can steal a cheap one, but you lose alot of em goin to right center. ALOT.



Its generally high in Park Factors every single year. It took a dip in the mid/late 90s mainly because of all the band box parks that got built around that time

[Andomray]

Scott Stevens's ability to knock 'em down and keep 'em down...

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And Django Reinhardt...Three fingers!

http://whatspikelikes.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/django-reinhardt.jpg