"Fez Doesn't Talk" Myth

[ShowerBench]

Time to put this bullshit meme to rest.

I made a point to listen to this particular aspect of the show the last couple of days and Fez talked as much as he did in his best days.

Maybe that's why Dave keeps escalating this feud. He had it pretty good when Fez was on the verge of cracking up, and wasn't contributing some days. That's not happening now. Fez had a 30 second emotional glitch today and went right back to being Fez.

Stop saying Fez doesn't talk and the show "needs" Dave on the mic. That chapter is over.

[mikeyboy]

Remember when people complained that we didn't talk about the show enough? I almost miss that.

[sailor]

Remember when people complained that we didn't talk about the show enough? I almost miss that.

yay, the cesspool of negativity is back!!

[IMSlacker]

Hillary is totally going to destroy Obama in the primaries.

[mikeyboy]

Seriously, it's insane how many threads this beef between Dave and Fez has generated.

[vamessenger]

Seriously, it's insane how many threads this beef between Dave and Fez has generated.

Just create one giant thread...it's so much fun.

[sailor]

Seriously, it's insane how many threads this beef between Dave and Fez has generated.

Just create one giant thread...it's so much fun.

yeah, make an antepenultimate fez-dave war thread.

[paulisded]

I've never understood why so many people think they have to have their own thread on the same subject.

[Dell]

yeah, make an antepenultimate fez-dave war thread.

antepenultimate...you may be my favorite poster...

[Evolved]

Time to put this bullshit meme to rest.

I made a point to listen to this particular aspect of the show the last couple of days and Fez talked as much as he did in his best days.

Maybe that's why Dave keeps escalating this feud. He had it pretty good when Fez was on the verge of cracking up, and wasn't contributing some days. That's not happening now. Fez had a 30 second emotional glitch today and went right back to being Fez.

Stop saying Fez doesn't talk and the show "needs" Dave on the mic. That chapter is over.

Your pro Fez bit is getting tiresome. You're making the same post/thread over an over and over again. I'm starting to think you're as delusional as Fez.

[ShowerBench]

Your pro Fez bit is getting tiresome.

Too fuckin bad. This is RonFEZ.net

[EddieMoscone]

Too fuckin bad. This is RonFEZ.net

To be fair, RonDave.net is already registered.

[MisterSmith]

Too fuckin bad. This is RonFEZ.net

Yeah, but the show is RON & Fez. If Fez had some useful insight outside of his personal problems or his newfound fondness for "gay issues" I would be happy. But that hasn't been the case for many, many months.

Whatever Fez is doing now, it is annoying and it leaves Ron almost nothing to work with other than hostility.

[mikeyboy]

To be fair, RonDave.net is already registered.

:laugh: We noticed that yesterday. I don't think it's owned by MLC because he doesn't usually register them privately.

[MisterSmith]

To be fair, RonDave.net is already registered.

...to MLC. :laugh:

[dino_electropolis]

Too fuckin bad. This is RonFEZ.net

Yeah, well it used to Ron and Ron, no?



Fez was once an ESD, dont forget.

[ShowerBench]

Yeah, but the show is RON & Fez. If Fez had some useful insight outside of his personal problems or his newfound fondness for "gay issues" I would be happy. But that hasn't been the case for many, many months..

What are you talking about, I thought the idea of aliens choosing to go somewhere else besides the US was worth pondering. He contributed on a variety of other topics.

Notice the 8 minutes he didn't participate yesterday gets played up but the rest of the show, when he did, doesn't. As for his personal problems and "gay issues," I've got no problem with those coming up from time to time.

[hurlmon]

Yeah, well it used to Ron and Ron, no?



Fez was once an ESD, dont forget.


:clap:

That's why I say Fez is so paranoid. He knows it can happen.

[mikeyboy]

:clap:

That's why I say Fez is so paranoid. He knows it can happen.

FYI - Ron Diaz was not forced out. He quit.

[dino_electropolis]

FYI - Ron Diaz was not forced out. He quit.

Yeah, well no one would force Fez out, obviously.

The only way he leaves the show is on his own terms.


Sad and lonely, but his own terms nonetheless.

[ShowerBench]

Fez was once an ESD, dont forget.

You give ESD way too much credit. He's not even close to what Fez is or was, now or then.

[hurlmon]

FYI - Ron Diaz was not forced out. He quit.

Never said he was forced out.

Just pointing out that a producer on one of Ron's shows has moved up to a permanent mic spot. Fez knows this and it could something that adds to his issues with Dave

[ShowerBench]

Never said he was forced out.

Just pointing out that a producer on one of Ron's shows has moved up to a permanent mic spot. Fez knows this and it could something that adds to his issues with Dave

Not really. Ron and Ron ended and other co-host Rons were hired. Then the whole thing shut down for a while.

After a long period of time, Ron and Fez teamed up.

[sailor]

Not really. Ron and Ron ended and other co-host Rons were hired. Then the whole thing shut down for a while.

After a long period of time, Ron and Fez teamed up.

face!

[ShowerBench]

Fez was a huge part of the Ron and Ron show but never disrespected either Ron, including jokes or bits. Ever. That's what interns and other staffers were for. Not hosts.

[PD]

Remember when people complained that we didn't talk about the show enough? I almost miss that.

:lol:

[MisterSmith]

What are you talking about, I thought the idea of aliens choosing to go somewhere else besides the US was worth pondering. He contributed on a variety of other topics.

Notice the 8 minutes he didn't participate yesterday gets played up but the rest of the show, when he did, doesn't. As for his personal problems and "gay issues," I've got no problem with those coming up from time to time.

It has become tiresome. The topics he brings up are weird, throwaway ideas. They might work if Ron could riff with somebody, but there isn't any support from the co-host.

For example - the topic you brought up about aliens landing; I agree, not a bad topic. However, it was immediately bent into anger, paranoia, and what Fez was/is feeling rather than trying to turn it into a comedic discussion. What was his main point? "If aliens landed somewhere else how do we know what that government is telling them? They are probably taking the alien technology for themselves and turning the aliens against us." [paraphrased]

Instead of comedy, every subject somehow turns into a window on Fez. If it isn't through direct discussion, then it is from his lack of participation and the inevitable "What's the matter buddy - what's wrong?" from Ron.

[hurlmon]

Not really. Ron and Ron ended and other co-host Rons were hired. Then the whole thing shut down for a while.

After a long period of time, Ron and Fez teamed up.

And before they teamed up he was a producer of Ron's. When they teamed up he became on air talent . Never said Fez forced anyone out.

What's your point?

[ShowerBench]

What's your point?

Point is comparisons of ESD to Fez make me laugh

[hurlmon]

Point is comparisons of ESD to Fez make me laugh

ESD is a young producer with a passion for the business, Fez was once a young producer with a passion for it too.

Young passionate producers can sometime become on air talent.

Fez knows this from experience so it may frighten him. I think Dave has more passion for radio than any producer they've had in a while.

Yeah I can see where that would be funny :huh:

[ShowerBench]

ESD is a young producer with a passion for the business, Fez was once a young producer with a passion for it too.

Young passionate producers can sometime become on air talent.

Fez knows this from experience so it may frighten him. I think Dave has more passion for radio than any producer they've had in a while.

Yeah I can see where that would be funny :huh:

Fez had no problem with Dave's passion or his aspirations until Dave took a golden opportunity provided by Ron and Fez and turned it against Fez.

Fez probably never anticipated that because he never did it himself when he was in that position, and neither has any other staffer in his on-air history.

I doubt he's frightened though. Pissed, why not.

[hurlmon]

Fez had no problem with Dave's passion or his aspirations until Dave took a golden opportunity provided by Ron and Fez and turned it against Fez.

Fez probably never anticipated that because he never did it himself when he was in that position, and neither has any other staffer in his on-air history.

I doubt he's frightened though. Pissed, why not.

Dave earned the opportunity by going to school and getting radios jobs to get the experience needed to get the job he has now.

Fez may not have anticipated it because maybe he never though Dave would click with Ron as well as he does. Also most past producers didn't get the amount of mic time that Dave has had to develop his relationship with Ron. Mic time that was donated by Fez when he was at his worst.

Frightened may be a bad choice of words, but i do think he sees Dave as a threat. He knows he wasn't at the top of his game for a bit, Ron has pointed it out to him over and over.

He may now be trying to reestablish his seat on top, I just feel he is going about it the wrong way.

But then again we are all discussing it over and over so maybe it is the right way for business.

[HBox]

Hillary is totally going to destroy Obama in the primaries.

And if Obama wins he's totally going to destroy this country and those abortion-loving, tax raising, America-hating Democratic faggots will get exactly what they deserve.

But I'm a Democrat. Really.

[ShowerBench]

Fez may not have anticipated it because maybe he never though Dave would click with Ron as well as he does. Also most past producers didn't get the amount of mic time that Dave has had to develop his relationship with Ron. Mic time that was donated by Fez when he was at his worst.

Fez clicked with the show hosts when he was in that role and had tons of mic time. Never heard him bust a host's balls though.

Frightened may be a bad choice of words, but i do think he sees Dave as a treat. He knows he wasn't at the top of his game for a bit, Ron has pointed it out to him over and over.

He doesn't see Dave as a threat to his job, but why wouldn't he see him as a threat to his job satisfaction when he is, on a daily basis?

Dave keeps the feud going so that listeners will see a Fez vs Dave dynamic - and see Dave as a legitimate choice as a result of Dave working so long at undermining Fez's status. No threat to Fez's job there - but why wouldn't Fez be PISSED?

Fez himself admitted several times today he wasn't at the top of his game when Dave was brought in to assist on the mic. He said Dave used that opportunity against him. Let's say Dave was too dense to recognize it at the time, the excuse he falls back on sometimes. What about now? Fez has spelled it out and it continues.

He may now be trying to reestablish his seat on top, I just feel he is going about it the wrong way.

Callers, Ron, and people here have noticed Fez is getting back on his game. Interestingly, Dave has been working like a maniac to produce bits mocking Fez. And he was pissed today when Fez articulated his concerns better than he has been - Dave couldn't make him sound as crazy because Fez described the fundamental problem instead of pointing to specific examples and describing them inelegantly.

There have been callers lately coming around to Fez's point of view and articulating it in a way that sounds pretty sane to me.

As for Dave's passion, when is the last time we saw it here?

When GVac abandoned Team Dave for Team Fez.

Fez wouldn't need to be paranoid to think that Dave's top concern is keeping people on "his side" as opposed to ending the feud that benefits him.

Otherwise, one would think he'd spare some of that passion to post in defense of Fez, a host of the Ron and Fez show.

[paulisded]

Point is comparisons of ESD to Fez make me laugh

Ugh.

[hurlmon]

Fez clicked with the show hosts when he was in that role and had tons of mic time. Never heard him bust a host's balls though.



He doesn't see Dave as a threat to his job, but why wouldn't he see him as a threat to his job satisfaction when he is, on a daily basis?

Dave keeps the feud going so that listeners will see a Fez vs Dave dynamic - and see Dave as a legitimate choice as a result of Dave working so long at undermining Fez's status. No threat to Fez's job there - but why wouldn't Fez be PISSED?

Fez himself admitted several times today he wasn't at the top of his game when Dave was brought in to assist on the mic. He said Dave used that opportunity against him. Let's say Dave was too dense to recognize it at the time, the excuse he falls back on sometimes. What about now? Fez has spelled it out and it continues.



Callers, Ron, and people here have noticed Fez is getting back on his game. Interestingly, Dave has been working like a maniac to produce bits mocking Fez. And he was pissed today when Fez articulated his concerns better than he has been - Dave couldn't make him sound as crazy because Fez described the fundamental problem instead of pointing to specific examples and describing them inelegantly.

There have been callers lately coming around to Fez's point of view and articulating it in a way that sounds pretty sane to me.

As for Dave's passion, when is the last time we saw it here?

When GVac abandoned Team Dave for Team Fez.

Fez wouldn't need to be paranoid to think that Dave's top concern is keeping people on "his side" as opposed to ending the feud that benefits him.

Otherwise, one would think he'd spare some of that passion to post in defense of Fez, a host of the Ron and Fez show.

(to lazy to use mutiple quote thingie)

Who cares if dave has passion for a message board??

"Dave has been working like a maniac to produce bits" and Fez used to.

"Fez clicked with the show hosts when he was in that role and had tons of mic time. Never heard him bust a host's balls though." Thought we couldn't compare dave and Fez? it just made you laugh.

"but why wouldn't he see him as a threat to his job satisfaction when he is, on a daily basis?" Fez's life is a threat to his job satisfaction not just Dave.



I never denied Fez is coming back or that he can't be pissed, just don't like they way he is handling it.

"Interestingly, Dave has been working like a maniac to produce bits mocking Fez" and who let them on air?

Just remember, Ron runs the show. All he needs to do is tell Dave to get out of the studio and he doesn't. Wonder why......

[Korda]

Callers, Ron, and people here have noticed Fez is getting back on his game. Interestingly, Dave has been working like a maniac to produce bits mocking Fez. And he was pissed today when Fez articulated his concerns better than he has been - Dave couldn't make him sound as crazy because Fez described the fundamental problem instead of pointing to specific examples and describing them inelegantly.
.

Do you really think Ron would play them if he didn't want to? You think Dave is sitting there playing them by himself?

[ShowerBench]

Just remember, Ron runs the show. All he needs to do is tell Dave to get out of the studio and he doesn't. Wonder why......

Can't speak for him but he said himself on the air today that Fez as a host can deal with Dave himself. So not stepping in likely involves respect for Fez as much as anything.

[kratos]

Why would anyone think Dave is a risk to anyone but himself? Is he heir to the Karmazin fortune? It's Fez's decision to quit, get fired, or go insane. It's also Fez's decision to be happy, whether at work, at home, or amongst his friends.

Just like Michael Vick, when Fez starts putting up some good numbers, nobody will give a fuck what happened in the past.

[ShowerBench]

Just like Michael Vick, when Fez starts putting up some good numbers, nobody will give a fuck what happened in the past.

Fez touched on this. He's trying but being undermined on a daily basis. He can't get back on top until he gets rid of the thorn in his side that no host of a radio show is obligated to tolerate.

[hurlmon]

Can't speak for him but he said himself on the air today that Fez as a host can deal with Dave himself. So not stepping in likely involves respect for Fez as much as anything.

you've got to be kidding right?

yeah the man that has poked fun at and protected Fez for years (remember when ron fipped after the pd at 'jfk called asking if fez was there) suddenly deveoped this (what you call) respect and decided to no longer defend his cohost when he supposedly would need it most?

or could the puppet master finally be fed up with babying a full grown man?

goodnight homer

[daminik]

lol thats hilarious u guys think fez is talking lol. the only time he talks is when they go to a brake and ron asks fez "dont you have something on ur mind fez?" thats it. i think you guys are listening to a different show. listen to the show for once, dave talks cause he has interesting things to say, actually funny things. he comes up wit bits that are actually good. what does fez do besides complains about everyone being in on "it" he just knows he's being out shined. he is useless im sorry to say. just cause he had 2 heart attacks everyone has to side with him even though he's useless. The secret is SO OLD, we know he's gay and we except him so he just needs to spit it out. that actually mite make him not useless for once.

[kratos]

Fez touched on this. He's trying but being undermined on a daily basis. He can't get back on top until he gets rid of the thorn in his side that no host of a radio show is obligated to tolerate.

He can revoke Dave's mic time. Or keep Dave busy producing bits for the show. Or keep the show flowing so Dave doesn't have an opportunity. Or keep control of the timing and pacing of a bit from the start. One can be dominant without being angry.

For all Dave may or may not do, you have to admit he doesn't bluntly shut Fez down like Ron has on occasion.

[ShowerBench]

He can revoke Dave's mic time. Or keep Dave busy producing bits for the show. Or keep the show flowing so Dave doesn't have an opportunity. Or keep control of the timing and pacing of a bit from the start. One can be dominant without being angry. For all Dave may or may not do, you have to admit he doesn't bluntly shut Fez down like Ron has on occasion.

Fez responds to the comments that piss him off but doesn't revoking mic time or exile Dave to production because Fez is the host of the show and has assigned Dave mic time. Mic time isn't the problem - Dave's use of it is.

[hurlmon]

Fez is the host of the show and has assigned Dave mic time. Mic time isn't the problem - Dave's use of it is.


do you see how insane that statement is???

if his use of a mic is the problem you don't let him use it.

problem solved.

now back to my bus nap

[Gvac]

Seriously, it's insane how many threads this beef between Dave and Fez has generated.

Isn't it great?

[Contra]

Seriously, it's insane how many threads this beef between Dave and Fez has generated.

Yes, if only there were people in place to deal with this, like moderators, or administrators. That would be nice.

[HBox]

Yes, if only there were people in place to deal with this, like moderators, or administrators. That would be nice.

OH SNAP.

[ShowerBench]

do you see how insane that statement is??? if his use of a mic is the problem you don't let him use it.

problem solved.

now back to my bus nap

I meant his use of the mic when he takes shots at Fez, not the rest of the time. Part of his job is to be on the mic. Fez shouldn't have to ban him from it if he wants him on it.

Are you saying Dave can't possibly be on mic without taking shots at Fez? If so, seems like that could end up a big problem.

[hurlmon]

dave was hired as a producer not on air talent (going by his job tite) he does not need to be on the air at all.

but if al he does is annoy fez when on mic put him back behind the scenes. easy.


done and done.

[daminik]

you are right, if fez doesnt want dave on the mic he could take it away from him. Guess y...he knows east side has talent and he knows he has it easy cause if he doesnt know what to say which is 95% of the time, dave can keep the show going by goin back and forth with ron. Let fez say dave can't talk on the mic, the show will slowly take a dive. Fez lovers are lucky dave hasnt really said much. today he actually stood up to fez a little. if dave isnt on mic, there would be alot of dead air cause there wont be a conversation, there would be ron talking on the mic hoping for a response and he will get "you know, yeah(live read live read)" from fez. BOOOOYAAAAAHHHHH!

[hydee]

ESD is a young producer with a passion for the business, Fez was once a young producer with a passion for it too.

Young passionate producers can sometime become on air talent.

Fez knows this from experience so it may frighten him. I think Dave has more passion for radio than any producer they've had in a while.

Yeah I can see where that would be funny :huh:

If Dave had real passion for radio "Special Delivery" would be better, well thought out and engaging. It's an hour of two guy shooting the shit with out a plan talking over each other.

Worst of the week with Sam and Erock kicks the shit out of Special delivery, and they are only introducing bits.

Dave has a passion for mic time, there is a huge difference between that and having a passion for the business.

[hurlmon]

If Dave had real passion for radio "Special Delivery" would be better, well thought out and engaging. It's an hour of two guy shooting the shit with out a plan talking over each other.

Worst of the week with Sam and Erock kicks the shit out of Special delivery, and they are only introducing bits.

Dave has a passion for mic time, there is a huge difference between that and having a passion for the business.

Having passion for something doesn't make you good at it. There's plenty of people who have passion for sports but suck at playing them.

Dave is good when with Ron because Ron is so good with interacting with people. He carries dave and basically steers the conversations where he wants them to go and uses dave for feedback. Sam can't do that.

Dave is a side kick at best and sidekicks (imo) are usually only as good as the main character.

[ShowerBench]

yLet fez say dave can't talk on the mic, the show will slowly take a dive.

Let's say another of the dozens if not hundreds of hungry, funny, and talented aspiring young radio personalities jump at the chance to work on the Ron and Fez show, ESPECIALLY the chance to get a lot of mic time - and all they have to do is understand they shouldn't abuse the privilege by attacking the hosts.

Then the show wouldn't take a dive.

[daminik]

If Dave had real passion for radio "Special Delivery" would be better, well thought out and engaging. It's an hour of two guy shooting the shit with out a plan talking over each other.

Worst of the week with Sam and Erock kicks the shit out of Special delivery, and they are only introducing bits.

Dave has a passion for mic time, there is a huge difference between that and having a passion for the business.

He does have passion for on air and off. Have you ever heard the OandA show? they shoot the shit and plan some stuff but a lot is off the cuff and there show is awesome. Dave has good bits and is hes called to the mic or in front of 1 he performs very well. Any of the stuff talked about in special delivery is better than anything fez can come up with

[ShowerBench]

dave was hired as a producer not on air talent (going by his job tite) he does not need to be on the air at all.

but if al he does is annoy fez when on mic put him back behind the scenes. easy.


done and done.

It's not all he does, it's one of the things he does, but if he annoys the host every day and has no control over it, you're right he doesn't "need" to be on the air at all. That would be too bad, because some of his contributions are funny. They don't make or break the show the way the hosts' do, but they are worthwhile.

[ShowerBench]

Any of the stuff talked about in special delivery is better than anything fez can come up with

That show sucks

[daminik]

That show sucks

your just a fan of boring people thats y u think fez is #1. i wonder what u actually laugh at cause if u dont laugh at wat dave contributes to the show and his show than wow i feel bad for u. dave is funny fez isnt. dave has good bits fez doesnt. dave contributes to the show fez doesnt. dave has a life and fez sits down and does the same thing everyday, he sure as hell doesnt.

[ShowerBench]

your just a fan of boring people thats y u think fez is #1. i wonder what u actually laugh at cause if u dont laugh at wat dave contributes to the show and his show than wow i feel bad for u. dave is funny fez isnt. dave has good bits fez doesnt. dave contributes to the show fez doesnt. dave has a life and fez sits down and does the same thing everyday, he sure as hell doesnt.

I probably posted ten minutes ago that Dave is funny sometimes. But as someone pointed out, mostly as a stuntman or clown. A lot of people hate him on the air but I don't. Dave has never been as funny or skilled as Fez is, including over the last couple of months and before he had two heart attacks.

As for who has more of a "life," I think nearly 100% of anybody would rather step into Fez's shoes, but what difference does that make anyway.

[Hithead]

Dave talks out his wife's ass.

[Contra]

I probably posted ten minutes ago that Dave is funny sometimes. But as someone pointed out, mostly as a stuntman or clown. A lot of people hate him on the air but I don't. Dave has never been as funny or skilled as Fez is, including over the last couple of months and before he had two heart attacks.

As for who has more of a "life," I think nearly 100% of anybody would rather step into Fez's shoes, but what difference does that make anyway.

Stent packed shut in, or broke, married father of three. The choices are so appealing.

[ShowerBench]

Stent packed shut in, or broke, married father of three. The choices are so appealing.

Gun to the head

[Korda]

I probably posted ten minutes ago that Dave is funny sometimes. But as someone pointed out, mostly as a stuntman or clown. A lot of people hate him on the air but I don't. Dave has never been as funny or skilled as Fez is, including over the last couple of months and before he had two heart attacks.

As for who has more of a "life," I think nearly 100% of anybody would rather step into Fez's shoes, but what difference does that make anyway.

I love Fez, but you're nuts. I don't think Fez would choose his life over Dave's.

[sailor]

people like you are why democracy will never succeed.

[mikeyboy]

People take other people's lives so personally.

[daminik]

I probably posted ten minutes ago that Dave is funny sometimes. But as someone pointed out, mostly as a stuntman or clown. A lot of people hate him on the air but I don't. Dave has never been as funny or skilled as Fez is, including over the last couple of months and before he had two heart attacks.

As for who has more of a "life," I think nearly 100% of anybody would rather step into Fez's shoes, but what difference does that make anyway.

i admit, fez was funnier before his heart attacks than now. Dave is deffinetly funnier than fez is, he doesn't do anymore stunts and he's still funny. If he wasnt skilled or funny he wouldnt be on air.
Also 100% of people would rather be dave than fez. Fez has alot of money but doesnt do shit with it. Look at his life, do u listen to wat he does after the show? you rather have that than daves wife, kids, and his life. Even though he doesnt have alot of money he has fun with every cent he has.

[TjM]

Remember when people loved Fez and Dave. WTF do 202 fans seem to need someone to relentlessly shit on. Fuck off the lot of ya

I now have everyone but Rhino and ANC on ignore

[n0thng2bdone]

showerbench is doing a bit

[brettmojo]

Time to put this bullshit meme to rest.

I made a point to listen to this particular aspect of the show the last couple of days and Fez talked as much as he did in his best days.
Ron made it a point the other day that he has to constantly pull Fez into conversations because he's not contributing to them.

[Death Metal Moe]

your just a fan of boring people thats y u think fez is #1. i wonder what u actually laugh at cause if u dont laugh at wat dave contributes to the show and his show than wow i feel bad for u. dave is funny fez isnt. dave has good bits fez doesnt. dave contributes to the show fez doesnt. dave has a life and fez sits down and does the same thing everyday, he sure as hell doesnt.

I might take your retarded, wrong post more seriously if you didn't deliver it in misspelled words and phone text abbreviations.

Fez is the co-host, understand that. He's 1/2 the reason everyone listens. I don't have Dave but the show will go on fine without him if he were to leave. It's gone on when every other persion has left, it will go on without Dave too.

Dave needs to learn where his place is again it seems.

[Death Metal Moe]

i admit, fez was funnier before his heart attacks than now. Dave is deffinetly funnier than fez is, he doesn't do anymore stunts and he's still funny. If he wasnt skilled or funny he wouldnt be on air.
Also 100% of people would rather be dave than fez. Fez has alot of money but doesnt do shit with it. Look at his life, do u listen to wat he does after the show? you rather have that than daves wife, kids, and his life. Even though he doesnt have alot of money he has fun with every cent he has.

Well I know you can amend that to at least 99.9% because Fez is way funnier than Dave, even when he hardly talked.

And what Fez does in his personal life doesn't matter to the show at all. Why do your radio hosts have to do a certain thing when they're not on air? I want Fez to be happy but in the end the only thing that matters, since I don't know him personally, is what is done on air. And on air Fez entertains us. So that's all that matters.

Looks like another trolling asshole is looking for a show mention. Keep trying.

[Small..Balls]

And what Fez does in his personal life doesn't matter to the show at all.

What??? Are we listening to the same show? Fez talks way more about his personal life than any other subject. Ron's constantly calling him out on how he turns any topic back around to himself.

I like Fez, but don't act like he doesn't bring his personal life to the show. That's just about all he brings.

[ShowerBench]

Ron made it a point the other day that he has to constantly pull Fez into conversations because he's not contributing to them.

Ron has also pointed out that Fez is having great shows lately. I have to think everyone else notices that too.

So what I don't get is the resistance to that idea among Dave fans, who seem to really REALLY hate Fez. Camp Dave keeps bringing up stale "he doesn't talk" attacks, holding up the same Jay Mohr 8 minutes over and over as proof that Dave is outperforming Fez. Writing off Fez as an insane, hopeless case. Complaining before that he won't get off the mat, then complaining he's not doing it the right way when he does. Complaining he doesn't talk - then complaining that you don't like his deer relocation program. Adopting arbitrary rules about people being off-limits, but throwing out other rules regarding whether producers can treat hosts like they're Earl.

Operating on the first principle that the Ron and Fez show isn't going to become and shouldn't become the Ron and Dave show, one would think most fans would see by now that Dave crapping on Fez every day is interfering with Fez getting back on top of his game. Not preventing it, but slowing it down.

Doesn't make much sense that someone who ostensibly "loves" the Ron and Fez show and wants the hosts and show to be at their best keeps taking shots. Perrynoid's insight yesterday made more sense.

Remember we all used to root for a Fez comeback? Something changed. Some call it The Plan.

[brettmojo]

Ron has also pointed out that Fez is having great shows lately. I have to think everyone else notices that too.

So what I don't get is the resistance to that idea among Dave fans, who seem to really REALLY hate Fez.
Hate breeds hate. Chicken and the egg.

[TjM]

Ron has also pointed out that Fez is having great shows lately. I have to think everyone else notices that too.

So what I don't get is the resistance to that idea among Dave fans, who seem to really REALLY hate Fez. Camp Dave keeps bringing up stale "he doesn't talk" attacks, holding up the same Jay Mohr 8 minutes over and over as proof that Dave is outperforming Fez. Writing off Fez as an insane, hopeless case. Complaining before that he won't get off the mat, then complaining he's not doing it the right way when he does. Complaining he doesn't talk - then complaining that you don't like his deer relocation program. Adopting arbitrary rules about people being off-limits, but throwing out other rules regarding whether producers can treat hosts like they're Earl.

Operating on the first principle that the Ron and Fez show isn't going to become and shouldn't become the Ron and Dave show, one would think most fans would see by now that Dave crapping on Fez every day is interfering with Fez getting back on top of his game. Not preventing it, but slowing it down.

Doesn't make much sense that someone who ostensibly "loves" the Ron and Fez show and wants the hosts and show to be at their best keeps taking shots. Perrynoid's insight yesterday made more sense.

Remember we all used to root for a Fez comeback? Something changed. Some call it The Plan.:clap:

[ShowerBench]

Thanks I felt like I had to finally weigh in

[IMSlacker]

Thanks I felt like I had to finally weigh in

Finally?

[Death Metal Moe]

What??? Are we listening to the same show? Fez talks way more about his personal life than any other subject. Ron's constantly calling him out on how he turns any topic back around to himself.

I like Fez, but don't act like he doesn't bring his personal life to the show. That's just about all he brings.

Learn to read.

I didn't say "Fez never bring up his personal life on the show."

I said this:
And what Fez does in his personal life doesn't matter to the show at all. Why do your radio hosts have to do a certain thing when they're not on air? I want Fez to be happy but in the end the only thing that matters, since I don't know him personally, is what is done on air. And on air Fez entertains us. So that's all that matters.\

The cocksucker I was talking to was bringing up some tired bullshit about Fez not leaving his apartment as a reason why Fez isn't as good on the show as Dave is. I don't really care what any of these people do in their personal lives, they deliver an entertaining show. That's all the matters. If they happen to share with us, that's cool but it's not necessary.

[Small..Balls]

ah.

[Evolved]

Learn to read.

I didn't say "Fez never bring up his personal life on the show."

I said this:
\

The cocksucker I was talking to was bringing up some tired bullshit about Fez not leaving his apartment as a reason why Fez isn't as good on the show as Dave is. I don't really care what any of these people do in their personal lives, they deliver an entertaining show. That's all the matters. If they happen to share with us, that's cool but it's not necessary.

But if you live your life like a shut in you're not going to have any experiences and therefore not to much to say. Ron is always talking about things he's done.

As far as delivering an entertaining show, well that's your opinion.

[Death Metal Moe]

But if you live your life like a shut in you're not going to have any experiences and therefore not to much to say. Ron is always talking about things he's done.

As far as delivering an entertaining show, well that's your opinion.

And the opinion of the vast majority of people who just listen to the show and enjoy it or Sirius/XM would boot them. It's a good show, why are you here if it isn't?

Fez has experiences he pulls from. He is also a comedy writer and an on air personality that can riff. If it were true that only people with extremely involved lives could produce a radio show we'd have no radio personalities. They'd be out living these extremely involved lives.

The majority of what Ron and Fez talk about on a daily basis is stuff in the news, pop culture, their own fan communites and the like. I don't see why Fez has to be a fucking mountain climber to be qualified as an entertaining host in your world.

[PD]

And the opinion of the vast majority of people who just listen to the show and enjoy it or Sirius/XM would boot them. It's a good show, why are you here if it isn't?

Fez has experiences he pulls from. He is also a comedy writer and an on air personality that can riff. If it were true that only people with extremely involved lives could produce a radio show we'd have no radio personalities. They'd be out living these extremely involved lives.

The majority of what Ron and Fez talk about on a daily basis is stuff in the news, pop culture, their own fan communites and the like. I don't see why Fez has to be a fucking mountain climber to be qualified as an entertaining host in your world.

I don't always agree with Moe, but I totally agree here.

Do most people know what other radio hosts do? I want Fez to be funny. I don't care how he does it.

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't always agree with Moe, but I totally agree here.

Do most people know what other radio hosts do? I want Fez to be funny. I don't care how he does it.

Thank you.

And when I say "I don't care what Fez does in his personal life" I don't mean I don't want him to talk about it. I just mean, as PD put it, I want my radio hosts to be funny, I don't care how they do it.

Fez does it, with Ron, every show I listen to. Dave is part of that, Chris Stanley is part of that.

In the end I'd love to hear the the guys that make me laugh everyday are having fulfilling lives, but since I'll probably never see them except to shake their hands and thank them for all the years of comedy if I see them at a live event, their personal lives ultimately don't matter to me and are none of my business.

[Crispy123]

I don't always agree with Moe, but I totally agree here.

Well speak for yourself.

I personally love to find internet message boards for radio shows that I dont find entertaining and post how much that the shows suck. What do you have to say now Mr Moe?

[NewYorkDragons80]

You give ESD way too much credit. He's not even close to what Fez is or was, now or then.

I can't even imagine Dave as any kind of leader or source of balance on the show. Even in Fez's lowest valleys in recent memory, he's at least been a counterpoint/foil for Ron's views. Any time Ron introduces even the slightest logic to a discussion of music, movies, etc, Dave immediately concedes at least part of his point while hysterically screaming/laughing. That isn't the behavior of a host.

[Death Metal Moe]

Well speak for yourself.

I personally love to find internet message boards for radio shows that I dont find entertaining and post how much that the shows suck. What do you have to say now Mr Moe?

I say "Kudos" to you sir, and may sarcasm reign for another 1000 years. :tongue:

[Death Metal Moe]

I can't even imagine Dave as any kind of leader or source of balance on the show. Even in Fez's lowest valleys in recent memory, he's at least been a counterpoint/foil for Ron's views. Any time Ron introduces even the slightest logic to a discussion of music, movies, etc, Dave immediately concedes at least part of his point while hysterically screaming/laughing. That isn't the behavior of a host.

Is is on the SHOCK AND JOCK show!

[lleeder]

Well speak for yourself.

I personally love to find internet message boards for radio shows that I dont find entertaining and post how much that the shows suck. What do you have to say now Mr Moe?

Then I've got the site for you!!!!!! (http://www.theradiochick.com/)

[Death Metal Moe]

Then I've got the site for you!!!!!! (http://www.theradiochick.com/)

I didn't even go in the site after the "Bouncing Cleavage" intro. We get it, you have tits. I never would have guessed you had them seeing you're a woman.

Now that all of that is out of the way, is your show worth listening to?

[lleeder]

I didn't even go in the site after the "Bouncing Cleavage" intro. We get it, you have tits. I never would have guessed you had them seeing you're a woman.

Now that all of that is out of the way, is your show worth listening to?

The chick on chicks was veryZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ:i nnocent:

[IMSlacker]

I can't even imagine Dave as any kind of leader or source of balance on the show. Even in Fez's lowest valleys in recent memory, he's at least been a counterpoint/foil for Ron's views. Any time Ron introduces even the slightest logic to a discussion of music, movies, etc, Dave immediately concedes at least part of his point while hysterically screaming/laughing. That isn't the behavior of a host.

What are you talking about? Dave still believes that Jesus invented the chair.

[Death Metal Moe]

The chick on chicks was veryZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ:i nnocent:

Lol, maybe that's why she feels the need to remind a mostly male demographic she has tit.

[lleeder]

Lol, maybe that's why she feels the need to remind a mostly male demographic she has tit.

Oh man now I feel bad. How'd she lose it?

[Death Metal Moe]

Oh man now I feel bad. How'd she lose it?

Strangely enough, my typo willed one of them to fall off. Ya gotta be so careful with breasts.

[Evolved]

And the opinion of the vast majority of people who just listen to the show and enjoy it or Sirius/XM would boot them. It's a good show, why are you here if it isn't?

Fez has experiences he pulls from. He is also a comedy writer and an on air personality that can riff. If it were true that only people with extremely involved lives could produce a radio show we'd have no radio personalities. They'd be out living these extremely involved lives.

The majority of what Ron and Fez talk about on a daily basis is stuff in the news, pop culture, their own fan communites and the like. I don't see why Fez has to be a fucking mountain climber to be qualified as an entertaining host in your world.

You're a Fez apologist, can't say I expected anything different.

And it was a good show before the "insane Fez" character started. Saying Fez can "riff" is laughable, even Ron doesn't believe that as he's pointed it out on air multiple times.

Also your "mountain climber" comment was stupid. Way to completely not get the point and take it to the extreme.

Sure they talk about things in the news and pop culture but if you can't relate to the discussion than you're not going to be able to contribute to the conversation. That's why we get "silent Fez". He has no real life experiences to draw on where as Ron has plenty and that why so many people can relate to him.

[brettmojo]

Sure they talk about things in the news and pop culture but if you can't relate to the discussion than you're not going to be able to contribute to the conversation. That's why we get "silent Fez". He has no real life experiences to draw on where as Ron has plenty and that why so many people can relate to him.
Quite the point there.

[daminik]

every point fez has about anything is stupid. His view points are the view points of someone that doesnt leave the house and doesnt experience life. He doesnt get anything at all. He is the opposite of ron because he doesnt understand what funny is or what makes life life. anyone that defends fez just feels bad for him. boohoooo he had 2 heart attacks, is that y u defend him......I think so

[Crispy123]

Then I've got the site for you!!!!!!

I logged into the forum to tell her that I loved her in Sex and the City and get a new cohost the gay sidekick is so played out.

[Death Metal Moe]

You're a Fez apologist, can't say I expected anything different.

And it was a good show before the "insane Fez" character started. Saying Fez can "riff" is laughable, even Ron doesn't believe that as he's pointed it out on air multiple times.

Also your "mountain climber" comment was stupid. Way to completely not get the point and take it to the extreme.

Sure they talk about things in the news and pop culture but if you can't relate to the discussion than you're not going to be able to contribute to the conversation. That's why we get "silent Fez". He has no real life experiences to draw on where as Ron has plenty and that why so many people can relate to him.

Well you're not very good at expressing yourself so I responded to what I thought was your point. I'd love to hear what brilliant point you actually meant to make.

I don't apologize for Fez, he entertains me, period. That's all that matters. If you're not entertained, don't listen. They don't owe you any certain kind of show. There's no shame in walking away from a show you're not entertained by, I did it with Stern years ago.

Lastly, don't you ever try to even guess what Ron "believes" about Fez. It's insulting.

[Death Metal Moe]

every point fez has about anything is stupid. His view points are the view points of someone that doesnt leave the house and doesnt experience life. He doesnt get anything at all. He is the opposite of ron because he doesnt understand what funny is or what makes life life. anyone that defends fez just feels bad for him. boohoooo he had 2 heart attacks, is that y u defend him......I think so

You are a fucking troll. Plain and simple. You didn't even respond to anything people said to you in this thread you just came in with another uneventful attack on Fez.

Fuck off cocksucker.

[PapaBear]

You are a fucking troll. Plain and simple. You didn't even respond to anything people said to you in this thread you just came in with another uneventful attack on Fez.

Fuck off cocksucker.
Yeah, but he made RonFez.net LOTD.

[daminik]

if fez said something interesting than dave wouldnt say anything but he doesnt. fez only talks about shit wen ron asks him if he has something on his mind and its always stupid. also when the word fag is tossed around then he gets offended and speaks out about that. ron tells fez that he's having a good day because he wants to pump him up so he can try to have a good day. do u realize that when fez tries to say something funny he always gets cut off by ron or dave, thats because its stupid and not funny. they dont want to bust his balls so they just go on with the topic.

[Evolved]

Well you're not very good at expressing yourself so I responded to what I thought was your point. I'd love to hear what brilliant point you actually meant to make.

I don't apologize for Fez, he entertains me, period. That's all that matters. If you're not entertained, don't listen. They don't owe you any certain kind of show. There's no shame in walking away from a show you're not entertained by, I did it with Stern years ago.

Lastly, don't you ever try to even guess what Ron "believes" about Fez. It's insulting.

You know someone doesn't have a valid point when they have to rely on insults and telling people to stop listening. Such hack replies.

And Ron has made that point on air multiple times, I not "guessing" at anything.

That last sentence is so unbelievably laughable that I'm embarrassed for you.

[daminik]

You are a fucking troll. Plain and simple. You didn't even respond to anything people said to you in this thread you just came in with another uneventful attack on Fez.

Fuck off cocksucker.

are you gonna cry cause i offended him. using foul language, naughty naughty. I did reply to anyone that tries to attack me and my thoughts, and you just did so here. lol i just read "fuck off cocksucker" your very funny. no one has actually defended fez with good points so im right and their wrong especially you fucker. your just tryin to defend him but im goin right through you. you faggot ass fuck dont try to come at me with bullshit cause your gonna get trampled. kisssssessss

[ShowerBench]

The majority of what Ron and Fez talk about on a daily basis is stuff in the news, pop culture, their own fan communites and the like. I don't see why Fez has to be a fucking mountain climber to be qualified as an entertaining host in your world.

Because Fez's contributions on football, wrestling,light news, celebrities, catty moments, etc. are no longer sufficient now that a staffer who was given more mic time took the opportunity to smash a host's face in pizza and go on from there to disrespect him on a daily basis, thereby changing the entire dynamic of the show.

Now that it isn't the Ron + Fez + the audience vs interns and producers, but instead Dave + a vocal contingent vs Fez, Fez has to do more - like cry, not cry, fight back, not fight back, talk more, not talk more, come up with counterpoints to arguments, not come up with counterpoints to arguments.

Dave took some shots at Fez the other day and when he was called out, angrily whined that "You are the one who instigates this stuff." Fez didn't even bother with the crazy premise that he is the instigator - he said he'll instigate anything he wants because "IT'S MY FUCKIN SHOW." Had to go blue because some people don't get that.

[Death Metal Moe]

You know someone doesn't have a valid point when they have to rely on insults and telling people to stop listening. Such hack replies.

And Ron has made that point on air multiple times, I not "guessing" at anything.

That last sentence is so unbelievably laughable that I'm embarrassed for you.

Well nice way to dodge yet again. Why do you listen to a show you complain about? You're a paradox wrapped in a douchebag.

[Death Metal Moe]

are you gonna cry cause i offended him. using foul language, naughty naughty. I did reply to anyone that tries to attack me and my thoughts, and you just did so here. lol i just read "fuck off cocksucker" your very funny. no one has actually defended fez with good points so im right and their wrong especially you fucker. your just tryin to defend him but im goin right through you. you faggot ass fuck dont try to come at me with bullshit cause your gonna get trampled. kisssssessss

Not a good point to be had, try again...but after English 101. Please, do us a favor...tough guy.

[Crispy123]

are you gonna cry cause i offended him. using foul language, naughty naughty. I did reply to anyone that tries to attack me and my thoughts, and you just did so here. lol i just read "fuck off cocksucker" your very funny. no one has actually defended fez with good points so im right and their wrong especially you fucker. your just tryin to defend him but im goin right through you. you faggot ass fuck dont try to come at me with bullshit cause your gonna get trampled. kisssssessss

Did you actually LOL? This may b the gayest thing ever posted on RF.NET

[daminik]

Not a good point to be had, try again...but after English 101. Please, do us a favor...tough guy.

i knew you were gonna say something about my spelling, r u an english teacher now. again u fuck face u cant say anything to defend him cause u got nothin. all u mother fuckers are the same, u defend fez with nothing to back it up. u r very funny, like i said come at me and ill trample u.
Please come at me wit somethin better than "not a good point to be had,try again." ohh that proves wat??????

[Death Metal Moe]

i knew you were gonna say something about my spelling, r u an english teacher now. again u fuck face u cant say anything to defend him cause u got nothin. all u mother fuckers are the same, u defend fez with nothing to back it up. u r very funny, like i said come at me and ill trample u.
Please come at me wit somethin better than "not a good point to be had,try again." ohh that proves wat??????

Well if you KNEW I was gonna come back at you with a jab about your spelling and grammar why did you continue to post like you had a massive stroke?

[dan laroe]

i knew you were gonna say something about my spelling, r u an english teacher now. again u fuck face u cant say anything to defend him cause u got nothin. all u mother fuckers are the same, u defend fez with nothing to back it up. u r very funny, like i said come at me and ill trample u.
Please come at me wit somethin better than "not a good point to be had,try again." ohh that proves wat??????

ill come at you big man..you like to box? lets see some pics of how bad ass you are. i too like to box. i hit things all the time. come here to attack and ill flatten you. you think youre bad ass show us what you got. other than fuck fuck fuck on a message board you aint shit. ill defend fez cause its his show. plain and simple. only reason i need..

[Death Metal Moe]

ill come at you big man..you like to box? lets see some pics of how bad ass you are. i too like to box. i hit things all the time. come here to attack and ill flatten you. you think youre bad ass show us what you got. other than fuck fuck fuck on a message board you aint shit. ill defend fez cause its his show. plain and simple. only reason i need..

Nice. I'm glad you're in Fez's corner bro but don't let little internet scumbags like that even get you pissed man. I see you're relatively new to the board, not sure if you're new to message boards in general but this jerkoff is a classic Troll.

He popped up ONLY to shit on Fez. Now he'll post the same tired, false points over and over again and then disappear from the board until the next time to shit on Fez.

He's a fool who can't even write a coherent sentence. He has no real points except the same tired crap everyone brings up and it was old before he even wrote it.

Fez is great on the show. That's why we listen.

[I Like Fez]

My proposal:

Keep Dave off the mic for a full week. That'll force Fez to talk and he, hopefully, will feel less threatened by Dave's presence in the studio. Listen to the replays over the past week. You'll see Dave agree with almost everything Ron says and Dave immediately steps over Fez to agree with Ron. With my plan, Fez will be able to relax and feel unburdened to contribute to the show.

It's hilarious to see all these Dave supporters. He's not funny. He's just a wacky stunt guy who has no business having mic time on this show. He has Special Delivery. Let him get mic time and on-air experience there.

So - Dave off the mic for a week. He's a producer...so, let him produce.

[mikeyboy]

My proposal:

Keep Dave off the mic for a full week. That'll force Fez to talk and he, hopefully, will feel less threatened by Dave's presence in the studio. Listen to the replays over the past week. You'll see Dave agree with almost everything Ron says and Dave immediately steps over Fez to agree with Ron. With my plan, Fez will be able to relax and feel unburdened to contribute to the show.

It's hilarious to see all these Dave supporters. He's not funny. He's just a wacky stunt guy who has no business having mic time on this show. He has Special Delivery. Let him get mic time and on-air experience there.

So - Dave off the mic for a week. He's a producer...so, let him produce.

Stop cross-posting your proposal.

[TripleSkeet]

I saw what Fez can do when Ron took 8 minutes of silence for Jay Mohr. Dead air, stuttering, and constantly repeating the same thing.

I like Fez, but hes a minor contributor at this point. I listen for Ron and Dave. Thats my opinion. If you dont like it, thats cool. Suck a dick.

[daminik]

Well if you KNEW I was gonna come back at you with a jab about your spelling and grammar why did you continue to post like you had a massive stroke?

i shouldnt even keep on going wit u cause u dont give me any proof of fez bein better than dave. i said it in the first place to give me something and u dont. ur tryin to get off the original subject. Oh well, i guess this is over with.

[daminik]

ill come at you big man..you like to box? lets see some pics of how bad ass you are. i too like to box. i hit things all the time. come here to attack and ill flatten you. you think youre bad ass show us what you got. other than fuck fuck fuck on a message board you aint shit. ill defend fez cause its his show. plain and simple. only reason i need..

now your holdin hands wit that queer, thats ok. i love to box actually, i do it a lot thanks for asking. im glad people defend fez cause he needs it but dont be tryin to shit on dave and not tell me y fez is sooo much better. if listen to the show u can tell dave gives more than fez. i did like fez back in the day but now people are tryin to defend the old fez when the old fez isnt on air.

[ShowerBench]

I saw what Fez can do when Ron took 8 minutes of silence for Jay Mohr. Dead air, stuttering, and constantly repeating the same thing

Stop begging the question of whether the measure of Fez as a host is determined by how well he can host by himself for any extended period of time.

Fez has never been known to be someone who could do the show alone. But whatever he did wrong in those 8 minutes, 8 minutes of Dave alone would be 8 minutes of sheer pain.

Dave was alright during the Jay call. Like I said - that call is the only time in the history of Ron and Fez that Dave has outperformed Fez and Camp Dave keeps bringing it up over and over and over.

[daminik]

Nice. I'm glad you're in Fez's corner bro but don't let little internet scumbags like that even get you pissed man. I see you're relatively new to the board, not sure if you're new to message boards in general but this jerkoff is a classic Troll.

He popped up ONLY to shit on Fez. Now he'll post the same tired, false points over and over again and then disappear from the board until the next time to shit on Fez.

He's a fool who can't even write a coherent sentence. He has no real points except the same tired crap everyone brings up and it was old before he even wrote it.

Fez is great on the show. That's why we listen.

i came on the message board just to c what all the talk was on the show and i seen people talk shit about dave. now if i c that than i just wanna give my opinion about dave and fez. i didnt expect anyone to actually try to argue wit me. since u did i just wanted u to give me ur point of view, give me a good point about y u think that way but u didnt.

[I Like Fez]

i came on the message board just to c what all the talk was on the show and i seen people talk shit about dave. now if i c that than i just wanna give my opinion about dave and fez. i didnt expect anyone to actually try to argue wit me. since u did i just wanted u to give me ur point of view, give me a good point about y u think that way but u didnt.

Above, you'll find out what a text message from an 18 year old girl looks like...

[underdog]

Above, you'll find out what a text message from an 18 year old girl looks like...

It's too many letters for a text message.

[Death Metal Moe]

i came on the message board just to c what all the talk was on the show and i seen people talk shit about dave. now if i c that than i just wanna give my opinion about dave and fez. i didnt expect anyone to actually try to argue wit me. since u did i just wanted u to give me ur point of view, give me a good point about y u think that way but u didnt.

You decided to give your opinion on a message board and now you're suddenly surprised when people disagree with you? If you just want to give your point of view without rebuttal, get a fucking Blog.

This place if for discussion.

I also appreciate you dropped the Txt talk. See? I knew you could do it.

[stormy1065]

All this fighting over a bit.

[led37zep]

All this fighting over a bit.

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[disneyspy]

All this fighting over a bit.

guess it worked

[I Like Fez]

It's too many letters for a text message.

iPhone...:clap:

[daminik]

You decided to give your opinion on a message board and now you're suddenly surprised when people disagree with you? If you just want to give your point of view without rebuttal, get a fucking Blog.

This place if for discussion.

I also appreciate you dropped the Txt talk. See? I knew you could do it.

im not suddenly surprised, i just didnt think someone would disagree with me without anything to fight back with. i love defending my point thats y i am on this message board but so far i dont really have to defend my points.

[daminik]

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lol i love that video.....very funny. the bits gonna keep goin, i know. i have to defend my boy dave though. vids awsome

[Evolved]

Well nice way to dodge yet again. Why do you listen to a show you complain about? You're a paradox wrapped in a douchebag.

Yet again with the insults.

I only complain about this worthless bit and I turn the channel every time it comes up. Maybe you haven't noticed but this ridiculous storyline is annoying as shit to a decent number of people.

Now explain how Fez is so great at "riffing" as you put it. I could use a good laugh.

[Death Metal Moe]

Yet again with the insults.

I only complain about this worthless bit and I turn the channel every time it comes up. Maybe you haven't noticed but this ridiculous storyline is annoying as shit to a decent number of people.

Now explain how Fez is so great at "riffing" as you put it. I could use a good laugh.

Hey, call in and let Ronnie know you turn the channel. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken.

[brettmojo]

Hey, call in and let Ronnie know you turn the channel. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken.
Yeah. That mentality is great. It's the same mentality that got O&A back off of terrestrial radio yet a second time.

[Brad in Bama]

Yeah, but the show is RON & Fez. If Fez had some useful insight outside of his personal problems or his newfound fondness for "gay issues" I would be happy. But that hasn't been the case for many, many months.

Whatever Fez is doing now, it is annoying and it leaves Ron almost nothing to work with other than hostility.

brutal, but dead on.

[bluepete]

I've only been listenig to the show for a few years, so I've never heard Fez in his "glory" days. The simple truth is, (and it was said on a show last week) that Ron wouldn't allow Dave on the mic if he wasn't contributing. True Fez is the co-host, but how long does Ron have to wait for him to get his "shit" back. The only thing Fez contributes to these days is showing Ron's brilliance, he at the very least is as smart as Fez's shrinks. To me it all boils down to money, love or hate Dave he did step up when Fez was/is down, he contributes on and off air (when was the last time we heard a catty/nature boy/fezatorial). Assuming it isn't a "bit", Dave finacially struggles, he deserves some "bones" for his efforts. It's crazy for me to think Ron has to split his check with Fez.:wallbash:

[ShowerBench]

I've only been listenig to the show for a few years, so I've never heard Fez in his "glory" days. The simple truth is, (and it was said on a show last week) that Ron wouldn't allow Dave on the mic if he wasn't contributing. True Fez is the co-host, but how long does Ron have to wait for him to get his "shit" back. The only thing Fez contributes to these days is showing Ron's brilliance, he at the very least is as smart as Fez's shrinks. To me it all boils down to money, love or hate Dave he did step up when Fez was/is down, he contributes on and off air (when was the last time we heard a catty/nature boy/fezatorial). Assuming it isn't a "bit", Dave finacially struggles, he deserves some "bones" for his efforts. It's crazy for me to think Ron has to split his check with Fez.:wallbash:

Dave didn't "step up," he used an opportunity that Fez's misfortunes provided to fuck Fez.

You don't have to wait for Fez to get his shit together. Let's see, I can think of several hilarious Fez contributions on Friday alone. Michael Vick point-counterpoint? We've had enough of you John Edwards? That's "Ron and Fez."

You say you're late to the party. If you stay long enough you'll see why "Ron and Fez" is the best show in the history of radio, both here on earth and outer space. And that it has nothing to do with Dave's cultural insights an analyses on topics such as his favorite actor (David Caruso), favorite director (Ron Howard), favorite comedian (carrot top), favorite chef (Bobby Flay), favorite child star (Danny Bonaduce).

Dave wanted the opportunity to be in radio and he got it. He deserves what any other producer deserves for his production and participation - minus whatever the going penalty is for screwing over the host.

[ShowerBench]

Yeah. That mentality is great. It's the same mentality that got O&A back off of terrestrial radio yet a second time.

He's not the one trashing the Ron and Fez show.

[underdog]

Dave didn't "step up," he used an opportunity that Fez's misfortunes provided to fuck Fez.

You don't have to wait for Fez to get his shit together. Let's see, I can think of several hilarious Fez contributions on Friday alone. Michael Vick point-counterpoint? We've had enough of you John Edwards? That's "Ron and Fez."

You say you're late to the party. If you stay long enough you'll see why "Ron and Fez" is the best show in the history of radio, both here on earth and outer space. And that it has nothing to do with Dave's cultural insights an analyses on topics such as his favorite actor (David Caruso), favorite director (Ron Howard), favorite comedian (carrot top), favorite chef (Bobby Flay), favorite child star (Danny Bonaduce).

Dave wanted the opportunity to be in radio and he got it. He deserves what any other producer deserves for his production and participation - minus whatever the going penalty is for screwing over the host.

I like how you just skipped over the poster's first point.

[bluepete]

I'm not saying get rid of Fez, just reward Dave for his efforts. Dave and Ron seem to click (movies, sports, music, pop culture). There is certainly room for Dave on air, much like lil Jimmy's role on O and A. Fez absolutely struggles (imo) in conversations with Ron. I believe Dave has come a long way in the last year, the show would suffer w/o him.

[ShowerBench]

I'm not saying get rid of Fez, just reward Dave for his efforts. Dave and Ron seem to click (movies, sports, music, pop culture). There is certainly room for Dave on air, much like lil Jimmy's role on O and A. Fez absolutely struggles (imo) in conversations with Ron. I believe Dave has come a long way in the last year, the show would suffer w/o him.

Ron and Fez have given him a job he says is his "dream job" and which led to his own (pretty crappy at this early stage anyway) 202 show, tons of mic time, an engagement ring and a wedding, and that's only what we know of. Agree there is plenty of room for Dave on air. Don't think anyone has said otherwise. It's undermining Fez while Fez is getting back on his game that is the issue. Fez hasn't struggled lately, and agree, Dave has come a long way, was an asset to the show before and could be one again.

[daminik]

Dave didn't "step up," he used an opportunity that Fez's misfortunes provided to fuck Fez.

You don't have to wait for Fez to get his shit together. Let's see, I can think of several hilarious Fez contributions on Friday alone. Michael Vick point-counterpoint? We've had enough of you John Edwards? That's "Ron and Fez."

You say you're late to the party. If you stay long enough you'll see why "Ron and Fez" is the best show in the history of radio, both here on earth and outer space. And that it has nothing to do with Dave's cultural insights an analyses on topics such as his favorite actor (David Caruso), favorite director (Ron Howard), favorite comedian (carrot top), favorite chef (Bobby Flay), favorite child star (Danny Bonaduce).

Dave wanted the opportunity to be in radio and he got it. He deserves what any other producer deserves for his production and participation - minus whatever the going penalty is for screwing over the host.

i wasnt gonna start on u again but i have to 1 more time. 1st, Dave did step up when fez had his heart attack and he's still stepping up because fez isnt the same fez as he once was and everyone knows it. when he sees something funny that he can do it he does. i and many people do that to there friends, guess u dont have any:sad: 2nd, what was so funny on friday that fez said. Nothing about mike vick was funny and if u think that was hilarious than i guess u laugh when ur grandpa steals ur nose" got ur nose.:ohmy:" 3rd, ron and dave have so much more chemistry that ron and fez. ron and dave are talkin about sports,movies and much more and fez contributes with oh the bucs and superheroes/villains.

[ShowerBench]

i wasnt gonna start on u again but i have to 1 more time. 1st, Dave did step up when fez had his heart attack and he's still stepping up because fez isnt the same fez as he once was and everyone knows it. when he sees something funny that he can do it he does. i and many people do that to there friends, guess u dont have any:sad: 2nd, what was so funny on friday that fez said. Nothing about mike vick was funny and if u think that was hilarious than i guess u laugh when ur grandpa steals ur nose" got ur nose.:ohmy:" 3rd, ron and dave have so much more chemistry that ron and fez. ron and dave are talkin about sports,movies and much more and fez contributes with oh the bucs and superheroes/villains.

I guess you haven't heard this then, posted courtesy of DanG:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/6422073579ad0f05/

I almost hesitate to provide that link due to how awful it makes Dave look, but it proves every point I've made about Fez, and about Ron and Fez.

So go listen to it, and then come back and tell me Fez isn't Fez anymore, or that Ron and Dave have better chemistry (that one just makes me :lol:).

For that matter, after you listen not only to Ron and Fez but the College Radio hosts of the show, tell me Dave is host material - much less host opposite Ronnie B material.

If you come back here and continue with your current nonsensical analysis, you will lose so much credibility it's unlikely you will ever recover.

[mikeyboy]

Ugh. Are we still arguing about this? I like Fez. I like Dave. Can we we just appreciate the fact that the show has been pretty solid for the last couple of days on the parts of all involved and free of show bickering?

[underdog]

Ugh. Are we still arguing about this? I like Fez. I like Dave. Can we we just appreciate the fact that the show has been pretty solid for the last couple of days on the parts of all involved and free of show bickering?

I'm not arguing. Why yell at me?

[ShowerBench]

Ugh. Are we still arguing about this? I like Fez. I like Dave. Can we we just appreciate the fact that the show has been pretty solid for the last couple of days on the parts of all involved and free of show bickering?

Yes we can

:clap::clap::clap:

[daminik]

I guess you haven't heard this then, posted courtesy of DanG:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/6422073579ad0f05/

I almost hesitate to provide that link due to how awful it makes Dave look, but it proves every point I've made about Fez, and about Ron and Fez.

So go listen to it, and then come back and tell me Fez isn't Fez anymore, or that Ron and Dave have better chemistry (that one just makes me :lol:).

For that matter, after you listen not only to Ron and Fez but the College Radio hosts of the show, tell me Dave is host material - much less host opposite Ronnie B material.

If you come back here and continue with your current nonsensical analysis, you will lose so much credibility it's unlikely you will ever recover.

i have listened non stop to opie and anthony and ron and fez everyday. u cant try to tell me how funny fez is when he's not. ur tryin to make a point but nahhh didnt make any point. do u listen to the show, do u hear when ron brushes off fez when he tries to say something funny? i guess ur not listening to that part. fez doesnt bring any good subjects up to talk about. ron always has to ask him whats on his mind cause he wants fez to be a part of the show. he has to support fez and say he's having a good day. do u understand how fez is and how he's not in a good mental state? he just isnt in the game and hasnt been for awhile. i get it though, u dont know what funny is. i bet u laughed hard at paul blark. is that ur favorite comedy?

[mikeyboy]

I'm not arguing. Why yell at me?

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!!

[ShowerBench]

i get it though, u dont know what funny is. i bet u laughed hard at paul blark. is that ur favorite comedy?

My favorite comedy is Ron and Fez, now followed by Mark Zito's College Radio (the future of radio).

[underdog]

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!!

I NEED AN ADULT!

[ShowerBench]

Gonna go a little more ambitious here. Can we all appreciate the fact that the show has been solid for the past couple of days with no bickering, was solid for weeks before with the possible and I say possible exception of the bickering, Ron and Fez KILLED on Mark Zito's show, and the Ron and Fez show, even on its worst days, is the BEST THING GOING TODAY!?

CAN WE?

TRUTH BOMB

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f-RdhI8Dpcw/Sb_-UMCbRNI/AAAAAAAABMU/vdoI2LiirNU/s400/nuclear_explosion.jpg

[daminik]

the ron and fez show has been better since there has been no fighting. im not a fan of fez right now but i dont enjoy the ron and fez show with dave. i am a fan of dave of course. people have to realize that dave is essential to the show, he's at a good place right now and he does deserve the mic.

[mikeyboy]

you two ought to agree to disagree

[JerseyRich]

My favorite comedy is Ron and Fez, now followed by Mark Zito's College Radio (the future of radio).

Bwahahahahahaha.

Are you aligning these two shows now?

That College Radio show is terrible. Give me Dr. Steve any day over that lump of shit.

[Evolved]

Hey, call in and let Ronnie know you turn the channel. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken.

What a dumb comment.

[ShowerBench]

Bwahahahahahaha.

Are you aligning these two shows now?

That College Radio show is terrible. Give me Dr. Steve any day over that lump of shit.

Nice red herring - I didn't say College Radio is better than Dr. Steve, I said College Radio is better than Special Ed Delivery.

[PD]

Nice red herring - I didn't say College Radio is better than Dr. Steve, I said College Radio is better than Special Ed Delivery.

good thing you didn't diss my bud......

:smoke:

[JerseyRich]

Nice red herring - I didn't say College Radio is better than Dr. Steve, I said College Radio is better than Special Ed Delivery.

Oh ok.

Better? Maybe just as bad. Can we agree on that?

[ShowerBench]

Oh ok.

Better? Maybe just as bad. Can we agree on that?

SD is almost as good as Lenay D Saturdays, final offer

[ShowerBench]

good thing you didn't diss my bud......

:smoke:

I'd never dis Dr S

[JerseyRich]

SD is almost as good as Lenay D Saturdays, final offer

Accepted...

And I'll trade you a Big Kev's Geek Talk for a Master Po's Karate Hour.

[ShowerBench]

Accepted...

And I'll trade you a Big Kev's Geek Talk for a Master Po's Karate Hour.

hmm

[lleeder]

Accepted...

And I'll trade you a Big Kev's Geek Talk for a Master Po's Karate Hour.

only if you throw in a fh rileys parking lot rape

[JerseyRich]

only if you throw in a fh rileys parking lot rape

Perhaps a late night, underage molestation in the hottub after a Live from the Compound?

[lleeder]

Perhaps a late night, underage molestation in the hottub after a Live from the Compound?

well...we're moving in the right direction

[JerseyRich]

I just want to say that I have never actually listened to an entire episode of Same and Dave's Special Delivery...

So any comments that I make about their show are completely unfounded and silly.

Who wants to trade a Mikey D's Musical Rollecoaster for a Phishy's Whatevers?

[Gvac]

I just want to say that I have never actually listened to an entire episode of Same and Dave's Special Delivery...

So any comments that I make about their show are completely unfounded and silly.

Who wants to trade a Mikey D's Musical Rollecoaster for a Phishy's Whatevers?

Hahahaha!

You mean SAME as The Ron and Fez show, right? :laugh:

[Death Metal Moe]

What a dumb comment.

It was more than you're worth, trust me bro.

Point is, call Ronnie and see if your concerns are his. You know they're not and you know he doesn't want to hear your whiny bitching about his partner that he keeps because he's the best thing going in radio, today.

[ShowerBench]

the best thing going in radio, today.

wooooo

[Evolved]

It was more than you're worth, trust me bro.

Point is, call Ronnie and see if your concerns are his. You know they're not and you know he doesn't want to hear your whiny bitching about his partner that he keeps because he's the best thing going in radio, today.

I'm not a board character looking for attention. Why would I call the show with a complaint? Like I said, I just change the channel and wait for it to pass. Seems rational enough to me.

But hey, don't let that stop you from continuing to hurl insults my way.

[ShowerBench]

I'm not a board character looking for attention. Why would I call the show with a complaint? Like I said, I just change the channel and wait for it to pass. Seems rational enough to me.

But hey, don't let that stop you from continuing to hurl insults my way.

Why wouldn't you call with a complaint? That's a rhetorical question - so the real question is why post complaints on a message board that the hosts read? I realize it's anyone's right to do so but why doesn't the same thing stop you from doing it here that stops you from doing it on the air?

The second question is, why does it annoy you enough to change the channel and have a complaint? It also has a funny, sometimes hilarious dimension so why not enjoy that

[Evolved]

Why wouldn't you call with a complaint? That's a rhetorical question - so the real question is why post complaints on a message board that the hosts read? I realize it's anyone's right to do so but why doesn't the same thing stop you from doing it here that stops you from doing it on the air?

The second question is, why does it annoy you enough to change the channel and have a complaint? It also has a funny, sometimes hilarious dimension so why not enjoy that

I'm not going to have a discussion with a board character. Good day, sir.

[kensuch]

Bwahahahahahaha.

Are you aligning these two shows now?

That College Radio show is terrible. Give me Dr. Steve any day over that lump of shit.


I thought the show was good...what's your problem with it?

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm not a board character looking for attention. Why would I call the show with a complaint? Like I said, I just change the channel and wait for it to pass. Seems rational enough to me.

But hey, don't let that stop you from continuing to hurl insults my way.

Nothing will stop me, don't worry.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm not going to have a discussion with a board character. Good day, sir.

Aren't we all characters on here? I mean really, who has their whole, legal name as their screen name here?

Way to cop out. If you're not ready to participate in adult discussions stay off the board.

[SSSSteve]

Bwahahahahahaha.

Are you aligning these two shows now?

That College Radio show is terrible. Give me Dr. Steve any day over that lump of shit.

Ouch. I'm going to suggest we re-work the entire show.

PS Dr Steve gets a replay.. so you can listen to both! :bye:

[TripleSkeet]

Aren't we all characters on here? I mean really, who has their whole, legal name as their screen name here?

Way to cop out. If you're not ready to participate in adult discussions stay off the board.

He is a board character. Its got nothing to do with his name.

[ShowerBench]

I'm not going to have a discussion with a board character. Good day, sir.

uh. "oh snap"?

[Death Metal Moe]

He is a board character. Its got nothing to do with his name.

That's fine, I understand that he's a board character. Right now he's not acting like one, he's actively discussing the topic.

So that guy's reply was a total cop out.

[PapaBear]

Is he really a board character? What is his other board name?

[TripleSkeet]

Is he really a board character? What is his other board name?

I dont know. I just call him that because no matter how ridiculously demented Fez's rants get, he tries to justify them as rational. In the other thread today he was explaining how it was perfectly reasonable why Fez would think Opie would be part of this plan to get him.

[ShowerBench]

I dont know. I just call him that because no matter how ridiculously demented Fez's rants get, he tries to justify them as rational. In the other thread today he was explaining how it was perfectly reasonable why Fez would think Opie would be part of this plan to get him.

I said it's completely reasonable that Fez would expect some solidarity on the part of people who know how deep this thing runs with him right now, including Opie. And that he doesn't necessarily think sophisticated plotting and planning goes on, but that Opie's indifference to where Fez is at right now is disrespectful and makes him a "part of the plan."

No need to overstate the thing to make it sound crazy. Not arguing in honest terms is just jerking off.

[led37zep]

I said it's completely reasonable that Fez would expect some solidarity on the part of people who know how deep this thing runs with him right now, including Opie. And that he doesn't necessarily think sophisticated plotting and planning goes on, but that Opie's indifference to where Fez is at right now is disrespectful and makes him a "part of the plan."

No need to overstate the thing to make it sound crazy. Not arguing in honest terms is just jerking off.

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[paulisded]

And that he doesn't necessarily think sophisticated plotting and planning goes on, but that Opie's indifference to where Fez is at right now is disrespectful and makes him a "part of the plan."



That's fucking ridiculous.

[daminik]

I said it's completely reasonable that Fez would expect some solidarity on the part of people who know how deep this thing runs with him right now, including Opie. And that he doesn't necessarily think sophisticated plotting and planning goes on, but that Opie's indifference to where Fez is at right now is disrespectful and makes him a "part of the plan."

No need to overstate the thing to make it sound crazy. Not arguing in honest terms is just jerking off.

does that mean that everyone had to tip toe around him just because he's alittle insane right now? this is really retarted that people like you are supporting his ridiculous behavior. do u really think that he's right for trying to put opie or anyone for that matter in the so called plan? if he thinks so many people are going after him that because he's just fucked up emotionally right now and no one needs to support his behavior because he's just gonna think he's right when he's not. all this shit is gonna really fuck him up in the head. he's headed for the padded rooms if this keeps up

[ShowerBench]

That's fucking ridiculous.

Why, because it's Fez instead of, say, O or A?

If O had this kind of respect-oriented battle going on with Sam that Fez has going with "The McDonald Clan," do you think Fez would go on Special Ed Delivery? Or would everyone just say, "It's only ridiculous weak clown Opie, no need to respect his position," which is what Fez is saying is the subtext of Opie's appearance.

[Rob I]

If you're not ready to participate in adult discussions stay off the board.


hahahahahaha we reading the same board?

[vamessenger]

Why, because it's Fez instead of, say, O or A?

If O had this kind of respect-oriented battle going on with Sam that Fez has going with "The McDonald Clan," do you think Fez would go on Special Ed Delivery? Or would everyone just say, "It's only ridiculous weak clown Opie, no need to respect his position," which is what Fez is saying is the subtext of Opie's appearance.

WTF does going on someone elses show have to do with disrespecting a delusional paranoid old man?

[mikeyboy]

Why, because it's Fez instead of, say, O or A?

If O had this kind of respect-oriented battle going on with Sam that Fez has going with "The McDonald Clan," do you think Fez would go on Special Ed Delivery? Or would everyone just say, "It's only ridiculous weak clown Opie, no need to respect his position," which is what Fez is saying is the subtext of Opie's appearance.

So Ron is in on the plan because he called Special Delivery on Saturday?

[paulisded]

Why, because it's Fez instead of, say, O or A?

If O had this kind of respect-oriented battle going on with Sam that Fez has going with "The McDonald Clan," do you think Fez would go on Special Ed Delivery? Or would everyone just say, "It's only ridiculous weak clown Opie, no need to respect his position," which is what Fez is saying is the subtext of Opie's appearance.

So with your ridiculous MLC-ish "respect" bullshit, is Ant being disrespectful to Opie by having Danny on his podcast?

[ShowerBench]

does that mean that everyone had to tip toe around him just because he's alittle insane right now? this is really retarted that people like you are supporting his ridiculous behavior. do u really think that he's right for trying to put opie or anyone for that matter in the so called plan? if he thinks so many people are going after him that because he's just fucked up emotionally right now and no one needs to support his behavior because he's just gonna think he's right when he's not. all this shit is gonna really fuck him up in the head. he's headed for the padded rooms if this keeps up

Not tiptoe but not tear him down constantly when he's actually coming on strong lately. Have some consideration for the fact that he had two heart attacks and a mental breakdown that kicked his guts in as far as confidence goes. If the premise is that we love Fezzie and want Fun Fez back, why kick his ass every day especially when he's proven it's not a lost cause? That's the thing - the Dave fanboys like to paint Fez as "over," way to eager to put him in his radio grave.

He already told you the other day he was fucked up emotionally sometimes. As for whether he's "right," it's his prerogative to view Opie's appearance as disrespectful under the current circumstances. That's a matter of opinion and I don't think a lack of intent on Opie's part exonerates him.

So should people stop and consider whether Fez would consider something normally benign to be a "slap"? Right now, sure. This thing won't last forever. Fez wants to know he's seen as the same Big Man he used to be seen as and he is attuned to "respect" in a way that nobody who listens with one ear, which is most of us, and who isn't sitting in his position, is going to immediately comprehend.

He's not as fragile as some people are implying. Laughs at himself and his emotional issues every day.

[Rob I]

seriously everyone there is absolutely no reason to "discuss" Fez topics with Showerbench and Moe. We all know what side they will take no matter how ridiculous it is. Then if you disagree with them you are negative, shouldn't listen nor post here because only positive statements will be accepted. Fans are only supposed to love everything and never think things aren't entertaining......oh wait its only not entertaining when its someone on the show other then ron and fez. then its ok to say bad things about what happens on the show. just make sure the hosts remain untouched:wallbash:

[paulisded]

seriously everyone there is absolutely no reason to "discuss" Fez topics with Showerbench and Moe. We all know what side they will take no matter how ridiculous it is. Then if you disagree with them you are negative, shouldn't listen nor post here because only positive statements will be accepted. Fans are only supposed to love everything and never think things aren't entertaining......oh wait its only not entertaining when its someone on the show other then ron and fez. then its ok to say bad things about what happens on the show. just make sure the hosts remain untouched:wallbash:

You've made the most sense in this thread (and the 35 related threads) so far.

[MichiganJim]

From an occasional listener, 3 or 4 times a week,

I agree with Fez that appears some people, The Mc Donald Clan comes to mind, are indeed undermining him here and other places, so that another person will be able to step in to the "Ron and ????? show at a moments notice.

I think Fez SHOULD call in or show up to a live edition of "The Special Ed Show" and show those two idiots what comedy on the radio is all about.

[Rob I]

You've made the most sense in this thread (and the 35 related threads) so far.

yeah and i'll probably be labeled a troll because I just started posting.......even though I have enjoyed this site since wnew

[ShowerBench]

So Ron is in on the plan because he called Special Delivery on Saturday?

He took a quick shot and hung up. Dissed them.

Second, Fez already has enough of a history and trust with Ron that there would be no reason to think he's more in "Dave's Camp." Ron knows Fez sees this as a war, Fez knows Ron knows, Fez takes for granted that Ron is in his camp because they are nearly family. Fez probably doesn't even think twice about Ron's loyalty so a shot at Fez on Dave's behalf is not going to occupy his brain. If Ron went on Special Delivery Fez's feelings would be hurt but it wouldn't make a dent in the trust and loyalty. I'm guessing.

I just think he expects people to know that he's trying to relegate Dave to his appropriate rank and that if they aren't going to actively join him in doing it, at least they could remain neutral which he doesn't think includes going on Dave's show.

Is it that so off the wall that it's not even worth considering? Maybe to casual observers with nothing at stake, but from Fezzie's vantage point more than a reasonable and defensible take on things.

[ShowerBench]

From an occasional listener, 3 or 4 times a week,

I agree with Fez that appears some people, The Mc Donald Clan comes to mind, are indeed undermining him here and other places, so that another person will be able to step in to the "Ron and ????? show at a moments notice.

I think Fez SHOULD call in or show up to a live edition of "The Special Ed Show" and show those two idiots what comedy on the radio is all about.

That would be funny but there are divorce-level hostilities between these two some days. Not only on Fez's part. What's with ESD bringing up the BBQ yesterday? hostile

[underdog]

yeah and i'll probably be labeled a troll because I just started posting.......even though I have enjoyed this site since wnew

I like you.

[mikeyboy]

He took a quick shot and hung up. Dissed them.

Second, Fez already has enough of a history and trust with Ron that there would be no reason to think he's more in "Dave's Camp." Ron knows Fez sees this as a war, Fez knows Ron knows, Fez takes for granted that Ron is in his camp because they are nearly family. Fez probably doesn't even think twice about Ron's loyalty so a shot at Fez on Dave's behalf is not going to occupy his brain. If Ron went on Special Delivery Fez's feelings would be hurt but it wouldn't make a dent in the trust and loyalty. I'm guessing.

I just think he expects people to know that he's trying to relegate Dave to his appropriate rank and that if they aren't going to actively join him in doing it, at least they could remain neutral which he doesn't think includes going on Dave's show.

Is it that so off the wall that it's not even worth considering? Maybe to casual observers with nothing at stake, but from Fezzie's vantage point more than a reasonable and defensible take on things.


I've held my tongue on this, but based on everything else you've said, I'm certain you feel that I'm at fault as well. I consider Fez a friend. I also consider Dave a friend. I've never felt that I've been put in a position where I need to decide between the two. I have remained neutral in this conflict between the two of them. Saturday I asked Dave if I could hang out for Special Delivery (something I have done many times with the Ron & Fez Show). I also offered to screen calls (something I also offered to do for the Ron & Fez Show back in the days of WJFK). I didn't think I was doing anything wrong and it certainly was not intended as a slight at Fez. Does that still make me implicitly a member of the plan in your eyes? I guess I know the answer to that already. I guess the better question is "why?"

[strawberrypop]

pssst...You know I was joking about you being the catalyst for Fez's animosity, right? If anyone really thinks that, or if Fez is really mad because of that, it's completely retarded. Grown ups shouldn't need to be treated with kid gloves.

[Rob I]

mikey, I am sure that 99.99% of the people on this board know you have done absolutely nothing wrong. please don't give the other .01% a moment of thought.

[daminik]

seriously everyone there is absolutely no reason to "discuss" Fez topics with Showerbench and Moe. We all know what side they will take no matter how ridiculous it is. Then if you disagree with them you are negative, shouldn't listen nor post here because only positive statements will be accepted. Fans are only supposed to love everything and never think things aren't entertaining......oh wait its only not entertaining when its someone on the show other then ron and fez. then its ok to say bad things about what happens on the show. just make sure the hosts remain untouched:wallbash:

you are correct sir. i like your attitude

...........TRUTH BOMB!!!!

[vamessenger]

seriously everyone there is absolutely no reason to "discuss" Fez topics with Showerbench and Moe. We all know what side they will take no matter how ridiculous it is. Then if you disagree with them you are negative, shouldn't listen nor post here because only positive statements will be accepted. Fans are only supposed to love everything and never think things aren't entertaining......oh wait its only not entertaining when its someone on the show other then ron and fez. then its ok to say bad things about what happens on the show. just make sure the hosts remain untouched:wallbash:

:clap::clap::clap::clap:BRAVO!!!!!!!!! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

[vamessenger]

That would be funny but there are divorce-level hostilities between these two some days. Not only on Fez's part. What's with ESD bringing up the BBQ yesterday? hostile

UGH...enough about the BBQ. Fez took that as an attack when NO ONE ELSE DID!!!! Dave didn't call me for the BBQ...and if they did I would have laffed (mainly because I am 5 hrs from their house). That's just what Dave does.

I've held my tongue on this, but based on everything else you've said, I'm certain you feel that I'm at fault as well. I consider Fez a friend. I also consider Dave a friend. I've never felt that I've been put in a position where I need to decide between the two. I have remained neutral in this conflict between the two of them. Saturday I asked Dave if I could hang out for Special Delivery (something I have done many times with the Ron & Fez Show). I also offered to screen calls (something I also offered to do for the Ron & Fez Show back in the days of WJFK). I didn't think I was doing anything wrong and it certainly was not intended as a slight at Fez. Does that still make me implicitly a member of the plan in your eyes? I guess I know the answer to that already. I guess the better question is "why?"

You didn't, but I'm sure in "some ppls" mind it was.

[ShowerBench]

I've held my tongue on this, but based on everything else you've said, I'm certain you feel that I'm at fault as well. I consider Fez a friend. I also consider Dave a friend. I've never felt that I've been put in a position where I need to decide between the two. I have remained neutral in this conflict between the two of them. Saturday I asked Dave if I could hang out for Special Delivery (something I have done many times with the Ron & Fez Show). I also offered to screen calls (something I also offered to do for the Ron & Fez Show back in the days of WJFK). I didn't think I was doing anything wrong and it certainly was not intended as a slight at Fez. Does that still make me implicitly a member of the plan in your eyes? I guess I know the answer to that already. I guess the better question is "why?"

Mikeyboy, I think you're aces and you've run this place forever for Ron and Fez's benefit.

I have no doubt there was ZERO intent on your part to annoy Fez by going on Dave's show. Sounded like an impromptu chain of events. And if a similar thing had happened recently that clarified Fez's take on something like that the way he's clarified it since, I don't think you would have done the show.

And you've been neutral here. You asked people for feedback about what you're supposed to do about Fez-bashers because there aren't many good options - micromanagement of opinions would be a big unwieldy mess.

So I'd have trouble criticizing you in any way for going on Dave's show, because there was no malice, you've put in years here, and Ronnie B. says you're the world's greatest.

But whether ShowerBench thinks you're part of "the plan" couldn't matter less because I'm not the one who defined what The Plan encompasses, Fez is. I'm only defending Fez's thought process here as something other than "paranoid" or "delusional."

Do I think Fez thinks you are? He's wavering on that - hesitated the other day and said no, then said yes after Special Delivery. You heard him put Opie in the "some people are being used without even knowing it" category.

Another aspect of The Plan as I understand Fez's description of it is that, while some people are unwitting participants, "The McDonald Clan" gets a charge out of certain events like a prized Mikeyboy appearance on Special D because of the added benefit of burning Fez. Do they? Who knows about each incident, but I think there's evidence that Dave enjoys one-upping Fez in petty ways.

It's like being good friends with a newly divorced couple. Fez sees you going on Dave's show the same way one of them would see you going out for a night on the town with the other one.

There's the ronfez.net association too. By virtue of the fact that you run this place, where Fez visits and sees listeners bitching about EVERYTHING he says and does these days, writing him off as a crazy loser, there might be some expectation that you would "do something." He sees this place as facilitating the Fez vs Dave dynamic because "The McDonald Clan" was here making personal connections with active listeners and callers, and they backed Dave up when he busted Fez's balls on the air.

I never saw any overt "get Fez" posts from The Clan but even an "I don't know what I did" has the effect of bringing all the personal pals to publicly defend them against Evil Fez. This further intensifies the Dave vs Fez dynamic that Fez was subjected to on the air.

What if ESD defended Fez against the haters here, even when they were hating Fez on his behalf? Well of course they would hate Dave too then, and part of Fez's point is that not only does "The Clan" want to defend itself, it also loves when its side is taken against Fez. It's natural once this kind of bitter feud is underway.

I wouldn't begin to try to think about what you might "do" or whether it would be within reason for him to expect that. Thankless and unenviable is what your job here is right now.

You said you never felt you were put in a position where you had to take sides here, but wars get to a point where everyone has to. Is this at that point? Should you be put in that position? None of my business, those determinations and decisions are yours.

All along I've figured this thing would pass because listeners in both "camps" would decide that, even if it produces laughs from time to time, this is ultimately going to end up in a place most of us listeners don't want it to end up. Both players said they are losing sleep over it. Yet ESD throws out a BBQ shot yesterday.

I can say that even though I hated ESD in the beginning, he grew on me and eventually I thought of him as hilarious at time. Since this thing has escalated and is causing somewhat serious rifts in my favorite show, ESD is starting to grate again, whether he's hogging the mic or waiting for Ron's opinion so he can immediately agree with it. Earl.

[ShowerBench]

UGH...enough about the BBQ. Fez took that as an attack when NO ONE ELSE DID!!!! Dave didn't call me for the BBQ...and if they did I would have laffed (mainly because I am 5 hrs from their house). That's just what Dave does.



You didn't, but I'm sure in "some ppls" mind it was.

I never said Fez was right about each and every suspicion and only half listened to the BBQ accusation, but the point is - why take a shot about a sore subject

[ShowerBench]

mikey, I am sure that 99.99% of the people on this board know you have done absolutely nothing wrong. please don't give the other .01% a moment of thought.

I don't know, Mikeyboy strikes me as the type who would rather consider things for himself rather than rely on a projected lleeder poll result

[Meataball23]

seriously everyone there is absolutely no reason to "discuss" Fez topics with Showerbench and Moe. We all know what side they will take no matter how ridiculous it is. Then if you disagree with them you are negative, shouldn't listen nor post here because only positive statements will be accepted. Fans are only supposed to love everything and never think things aren't entertaining......oh wait its only not entertaining when its someone on the show other then ron and fez. then its ok to say bad things about what happens on the show. just make sure the hosts remain untouched:wallbash:


Well said and I totally agree.

[vamessenger]

I wouldn't begin to try to think about what you might "do" or whether it would be within reason for him to expect that. Thankless and unenviable is what your job here is right now.

Yet you say this at the beginning of your post.

I have no doubt there was ZERO intent on your part to annoy Fez by going on Dave's show. Sounded like an impromptu chain of events. And if a similar thing had happened recently that clarified Fez's take on something like that the way he's clarified it since, I don't think you would have done the show.

Another aspect of The Plan as I understand Fez's description of it is that, while some people are unwitting participants, "The McDonald Clan" gets a charge out of certain events like a prized Mikeyboy appearance on Special D because of the added benefit of burning Fez. Do they? Who knows about each incident, but I think there's evidence that Dave enjoys one-upping Fez in petty ways.

So, are you saying Mikey is too stupid to to realize if someone is trying to manipulate him? And no...I don't think that anyone is trying to manipulate anyone or has some plan.

[paulisded]

After that lengthy piece of bullshit, I'm convinced Shower Bench isn't real.

[ShowerBench]

Yet you say this at the beginning of your post.





So, are you saying Mikey is too stupid to to realize if someone is trying to manipulate him? And no...I don't think that anyone is trying to manipulate anyone or has some plan.

Nope, didn't even say there was manipulation - only that Fez believes a charge was enjoyed by the McDonald Clan and I don't think he can be declared insane for thinking so.

If there were forethought on The Clan's part about what kind of a charge they could get through an appearance by Mikeyboy, it wouldn't be a matter of stupidity if Mikeboy didn't spend time evaluating their motives and instead gave them the benefit of the doubt that they weren't assholes.

[vamessenger]

Nope, didn't even say there was manipulation - only that Fez believes a charge was enjoyed by the McDonald Clan and I don't think he can be declared insane for thinking so.

If there were forethought on The Clan's part about what kind of a charge they could get through an appearance by Mikeyboy, it wouldn't be a matter of stupidity if Mikeboy didn't spend time evaluating their motives and instead gave them the benefit of the doubt that they weren't assholes.

What motives? Are you that brainwashed?

[ShowerBench]

What motives? Are you that brainwashed?

You'll notice I said "if there were" forethought.

But to be even more precise for you - motives or lack thereof. Good?

[vamessenger]

You'll notice I said "if there were" forethought.

But to be even more precise for you - motives or lack thereof. Good?

Well, obviously you think there is forethought, as does the crazy radio host. Like with Jay Mohr...remember that?

[Dell]

Well, obviously you think there is forethought, as does the crazy radio host. Like with Jay Mohr...remember that?

I thought that was Ricky24...

[ShowerBench]

Well, obviously you think there is forethought, as does the crazy radio host. Like with Jay Mohr...remember that?

What I think doesn't matter. I have no idea of whether there was forethought about whether a Mikeyboy appearance would have the added benefit of burning Fez, or whether there was afterthought. If I had to guess, I'd say no forethought but it wouldn't surprise me if there were anything from slight to great satisfaction after the fact if Fez's feelings on it were pondered.

You're a douche for calling Fez "the crazy radio host" by the way.

[Meataball23]

What I think doesn't matter. I have no idea of whether there was forethought about whether a Mikeyboy appearance would have the added benefit of burning Fez, or whether there was afterthought. If I had to guess, I'd say no forethought but it wouldn't surprise me if there were anything from slight to great satisfaction after the fact if Fez's feelings on it were pondered.

You're a douche for calling Fez "the crazy radio host" by the way.

Fez is the crazy radio host!! Hes admitted hes gone insane on air!!

[kratos]

If I said I was sad because my ex-girlfriend was happy, what would I be called? I think the point has always been to to enjoy things on your own terms and don't tie yourself to someone else's ship too tightly.

[TripleSkeet]

After that lengthy piece of bullshit, I'm convinced Shower Bench isn't real.

It took you that long????

Apparently, when someone has a psychotic breakdown, you have to humor that breakdown by treating everything he says as gospel truth, otherwise you may be an unwitting part to take down that same person. So because Fez in his delusion may take an Opie appearance on Special Delivery as a slight to him, Opie therefore has to not go on in order to appease his insanity. Fucking bullshit.

Heres a question, what is the difference between "Fez bashing" and just calling out his lunatic accusations for the psychotic rants that they are? Because I dont hate Fez, but that doesnt mean I cant say hes 100% in the wrong when I feel he is.

Being the host of a Radio Show doesnt mean you are always right and that I have to agree with you to be a fan. I think for myself, no matter how much Im a fan of someone, I refuse to be their sheep. Does that make me a "basher"??? And its not just Fez, there are things that Ron and Dave say that I disagree with too. Its called having an opinion.

[ShowerBench]

Fez is the crazy radio host!! Hes admitted hes gone insane on air!!

He also admitted he has a secret (admitted he has a secret...) but should anyone call him a "crazy" "fag"?

It's different if he says it himself.

[ShowerBench]

It took you that long????

Apparently, when someone has a psychotic breakdown, you have to humor that breakdown by treating everything he says as gospel truth, otherwise you may be an unwitting part to take down that same person. So because Fez in his delusion may take an Opie appearance on Special Delivery as a slight to him, Opie therefore has to not go on in order to appease his insanity. Fucking bullshit.

Heres a question, what is the difference between "Fez bashing" and just calling out his lunatic accusations for the psychotic rants that they are? Because I dont hate Fez, but that doesnt mean I cant say hes 100% in the wrong when I feel he is.

Being the host of a Radio Show doesnt mean you are always right and that I have to agree with you to be a fan. I think for myself, no matter how much Im a fan of someone, I refuse to be their sheep. Does that make me a "basher"??? And its not just Fez, there are things that Ron and Dave say that I disagree with too. Its called having an opinion.

Your premise that Fez's taking offense or having his feelings hurt by Opie's appearance represents "insanity" is faulty.

[vamessenger]

You're a douche for calling Fez "the crazy radio host" by the way.

I call it like I see it. And yes...Fez is gay, and crazy. So I guess he is a crazy fag.

BTW, I really just wish Fez would do what is best for him and admit he is gay and go get some real mental help instead of these awful therapists. SOMEONE NEEDS TO PUT A STOP TO THESE DELUSIONAL PARANOID RANTS AND GIVE ME BACK MY FUNNY RADIO SHOW!!!!

It took you that long????

Apparently, when someone has a psychotic breakdown, you have to humor that breakdown by treating everything he says as gospel truth, otherwise you may be an unwitting part to take down that same person. So because Fez in his delusion may take an Opie appearance on Special Delivery as a slight to him, Opie therefore has to not go on in order to appease his insanity. Fucking bullshit.

Heres a question, what is the difference between "Fez bashing" and just calling out his lunatic accusations for the psychotic rants that they are? Because I dont hate Fez, but that doesnt mean I cant say hes 100% in the wrong when I feel he is.

Being the host of a Radio Show doesnt mean you are always right and that I have to agree with you to be a fan. I think for myself, no matter how much Im a fan of someone, I refuse to be their sheep. Does that make me a "basher"??? And its not just Fez, there are things that Ron and Dave say that I disagree with too. Its called having an opinion.

h8r

[TripleSkeet]

Your premise that Fez's taking offense or having his feelings hurt by Opie's appearance represents "insanity" is faulty.

Actually its not. When you get offended or accuse someone of disrespecting you and taking sides against you for something they do in their personal life that has NOTHING to do with you....thats insane.

[shittles]

After that lengthy piece of bullshit, I'm convinced Shower Bench isn't real.

showerbench is another Gvac board character.

[Death Metal Moe]

If Showerbench is a board character than ban all the "real" posters because I'm with Showerbench.

[ShowerBench]

I'm with DMM, danlaroe, Tom Ridge and ET

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/anim_beer.gif
IT'S A FEZSPIRACY

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm with DMM, danlaroe, Tom Ridge and ET

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/anim_beer.gif
IT'S A FEZSPIRACY

This has been my Fezspiracy...

THAAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOU!!!!

[Serpico1103]

This has been my Fezspiracy...

THAAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOU!!!!

At least someone is doing Fez bits. :blink:

[TripleSkeet]

I'm with DMM, danlaroe, Tom Ridge and ET

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/anim_beer.gif
IT'S A FEZSPIRACY

This has been my Fezspiracy...

THAAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOU!!!!

At least someone is doing Fez bits. :blink:

FACE!!!

[mikeyboy]

God, this thread sucks. Both sides are just saying the same shit over and over again.

[Freakshow]

God, this thread sucks. Both sides are just saying the same shit over and over again.

post counts are going through the roof!

[TripleSkeet]

God, this thread sucks. Both sides are just saying the same shit over and over again.

Wait.....this isnt the Most Posts Wins thread??? FUCK! There goes my t-shirt!

[vamessenger]

God, this thread sucks. Both sides are just saying the same shit over and over again.

Should I start posting animated GIFs?

[Small..Balls]

I was thinking this the other day when Fez was ranting about the Jay Leno/Conan O'Brien. Do you think Fez is so ferociously fixated on this situation because he sees it as a reflection of him and Dave? The lovable, pudgy, grey-haired host being muscled out in favor of the younger goofy redhead?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/857/obrienleno.jpg

[West.Coast.Skippy]

I was thinking this the other day when Fez was ranting about the Jay Leno/Conan O'Brien. Do you think Fez is so ferociously fixated on this situation because he sees it as a reflection of him and Dave? The lovable, pudgy, grey-haired host being muscled out in favor of the younger goofy redhead?

hadn't put that together before. seems obvious, now that you mention it. fez's objection to conan "how dare nbc be so arrogant to think they can replace leno" is, of course, completely ludicrous, but i think you've brought some insight here.

thanks!

[MichiganJim]

As much as I would like to defend Fez, as he IS my favorite part of the show, the Conan / Leno picture and Fez' saying Conan would not be succesful IS revealing.

Hadn't thought of that angle either, and IT is obvious when you see them together

[ShowerBench]

I was thinking this the other day when Fez was ranting about the Jay Leno/Conan O'Brien. Do you think Fez is so ferociously fixated on this situation because he sees it as a reflection of him and Dave? The lovable, pudgy, grey-haired host being muscled out in favor of the younger goofy redhead?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/857/obrienleno.jpg

A) No chance Fez is being muscled out and if he thought so he could pull Dave's plug any time

B) Lendo ain't loveable

C) This has already come up and it was decided the only similarity is that when you take the redhead out of his narrow niche, he sucks. Conan's show blows. Dave isn't host material

[sparkilingwiggles]

A) No chance Fez is being muscled out and if he thought so he could pull Dave's plug any time

B) Lendo ain't loveable

C) This has already come up and it was decided the only similarity is that when you take the redhead out of his narrow niche, he sucks. Conan's show blows. Dave isn't host material

i dont think Fez has the ability to pull the plug on ESD. ROnnie would never allow that!! and what would Dave's narrow niche be...

[ShowerBench]

i dont think Fez has the ability to pull the plug on ESD. ROnnie would never allow that!! and what would Dave's narrow niche be...

Ron has repeatedly said Fez has the authority to pull the plug. Dave's narrow niche is clowning characters and occasional stories involving jelly jars or huskies.