Michael Vick is an Eagle

[hammersavage]

Just heard it on ESPN. Vick will be a Philadelphia Eagle this season.


No, I don't have a link yet.

[K.C.]

Just heard it on ESPN. Vick will be a Philadelphia Eagle this season.


No, I don't have a link yet.

Absolutely, positively, no chance in hell.

[epo]

Absolutely, positively, no chance in hell.

If you don't take him, I want him in Green Bay.

[hammersavage]

Thursday night football just said he signed with the Eagles.

Tell it to Mike Tarico

[hammersavage]

2 year deal. Chris Mortensen reports.

[Fallon]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938

I'm watching the game and didn't hear that.

Stupid local coverage.

[Gmann]

Never saw that one coming.

[hammersavage]

Absolutely, positively, no chance in hell.

Michael Vick has signed a two-year deal with the Eagles. His agent, Joel Segal, confirmed to ESPN.com.

would you change that to a slight chance?

[HBox]

http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/468_jaw_dropping.gif

I need a couple weeks to digest this.

[ScottFromGA]

Philly really is the cesspool of humanity.


The, "Proof is in the Pudding", I always say...

[HBox]

OK. My first thought is that Brian Westbrook isn't 100%.

[benjamin]

GO EAGLES!!!!
:clap:

[K.C.]

what....the.....fuck

I would have believed they resigned Owens before I believed this.

[Fallon]

Maybe he can play in the secondary... they seem to need the help.

[ScottFromGA]

I said when he played with the Falcons that he was never a QB....I hated him.


now...say he bulked up from being in the slammer and he got faster from running away from the attempted Bubba rapes, maybe the Eagles have them a great new RB.

[benjamin]

Imagine this:

McNabb and Vick and Westbrook in the backfield...
Jackson and Maclin as the wideouts...

Are you kidding me!

Eagles dynasty has begun!

[The_Showstopper]

Surprised to say the least. I had been hearing Pitt, Baltimore Green Bay. hadn't heard Philly much at all in the Vick discussions. I had honestly been thinking he may go to my packers with the things I had read, But this could be interesting to see how Philly utilizes him. Should be really interesting to see how hes received by the fans, namely if the eagles HYPOTHETICALLY get off to a slow start and/or Donovan is not playing up to par will the fans clamor for Vick to take the reigns if they decide to use him as a backup. Or perhaps they use him as a TE, Or special teams player or something else? Should be interesting TV in Philly to say the least.

[Tallman388]

I said when he played with the Falcons that he was never a QB....I hated him.


now...say he bulked up from being in the slammer and he got faster from running away from the attempted Bubba rapes, maybe the Eagles have them a great new RB.

bitter much?

I'd like to see how they're going to use him before I get too pumped about it, but I like the move. Go Iggles!!

[KingGeno]

And so it begins......

Really great signing right there.

[K.C.]

bitter much?

I'd like to see how they're going to use him before I get too pumped about it, but I like the move. Go Iggles!!

I guarantee Andy will only say that they signed him to compete for the #2 QB job.

I also guarantee that he is working on 5-7 plays with him and Westbrook in the same backfield.

[hammersavage]

Surprised to say the least. I had been hearing Pitt, Baltimore Green Bay. hadn't heard Philly much at all in the Vick discussions. I had honestly been thinking he may go to my packers with the things I had read, But this could be interesting to see how Philly utilizes him. Should be really interesting to see how hes received by the fans, namely if the eagles HYPOTHETICALLY get off to a slow start and/or Donovan is not playing up to par will the fans clamor for Vick to take the reigns if they decide to use him as a backup. Or perhaps they use him as a TE, Or special teams player or something else? Should be interesting TV in Philly to say the least.

You think they will boo McNabb? No way....

[The_Showstopper]

You think they will boo McNabb? No way....

Oh i know they will boo McNabb lol. Im just more curious if they will publicly voice for vick to take over should the situation arise.

[Tallman388]

I guarantee Andy will only say that they signed him to compete for the #2 QB job.

I also guarantee that he is working on 5-7 plays with him and Westbrook in the same backfield.

Oh hell yeah, I bet he's got a bunch drawn up already. The last 2 preseason games should be interesting.

[KingGeno]

Can sign vick for those numbers, but "dawkins is too expensive". The eagles pass d looks like smelly ass tonight.

[Dell]

a boo...went to the same schools as Vick (many years apart)...and now I must pull against him...

at least it wasn't Dallas...

[MisterSmith]

I just read it and I am shocked - I never would have expected Vick would land here in Philly. freaking amazing.

I almost can't wait to hear the local spin on this, and the hardcore guys in the office are gonna have something to gab about tomorrow in the break room. :lol:

[cougarjake13]

Surprised to say the least. I had been hearing Pitt, Baltimore Green Bay. hadn't heard Philly much at all in the Vick discussions. I had honestly been thinking he may go to my packers with the things I had read, But this could be interesting to see how Philly utilizes him. Should be really interesting to see how hes received by the fans, namely if the eagles HYPOTHETICALLY get off to a slow start and/or Donovan is not playing up to par will the fans clamor for Vick to take the reigns if they decide to use him as a backup. Or perhaps they use him as a TE, Or special teams player or something else? Should be interesting TV in Philly to say the least.



i dont think hes big enough to be a tight end

rb or wr yes but unless he gained 50 pounds he isnt a tight end

plus why would you waste his talent at TE ?? hes better utilized at qb/wr/rb

[The_Showstopper]

i dont think hes big enough to be a tight end

rb or wr yes but unless he gained 50 pounds he isnt a tight end

plus why would you waste his talent at TE ?? hes better utilized at qb/wr/rb

I dont personally belive he'd be a TE it was one of the offensive positions i had read that was discussed in the last few weeks.

[Stuft]

This is for real? I never know with you folks.

If it is, it's gonna be an issue filled winter in my house. My b/f is an Eagles fan and im gonna have to bitch everytime i see them on the screen. What a fucking disgrace.

[cougarjake13]

I dont personally belive he'd be a TE it was one of the offensive positions i had read that was discussed in the last few weeks.

yeh but i dont see that working

[brettmojo]

The Philadelphia Convicts? Bwahahahahah!!!

[The_Showstopper]

yeh but i dont see that working

Me Either I see the eagles working mabye 10-12 plays that they could fit him into like a wildcat or something. Something to showcase his speed (if its still there after 2 years off)

[KnoxHarrington]

I can't improve on the perfection that is the Fark headline on this story:

Mike Vick signs with Eagles, will reportedly be used as a positive role model for Andy Reid's sons

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Fallon]

He's already familiar with throwing to them.

http://i30.tinypic.com/9gwxl0.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

And my thoughts on this signing:

http://cdn.maximonline.com/girls/f_da_eagles_heather/f-da-eagles-heather-gm_l7.jpg

[Fallon]

And my thoughts on this signing:

http://cdn.maximonline.com/girls/f_da_eagles_heather/f-da-eagles-heather-gm_l7.jpg

ooh.

[hammersavage]

I can't improve on the perfection that is the Fark headline on this story:



:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I made that joke in real life. I should have put it here. I'm slow

[Jericholic51]

I`m completly lost for words hear i don`t know why the EAGLES need him...But everyone gets a second chance..

[Fez4PrezN2008]

In before the merge

[Fallon]

In before the merge

Barely.

[HBox]

Who would have thought back in that Eagles-Falcons playoff game where Dawkins fucking leveled Vick as he was running in for a touchdown that one day Vick would be an Eagle and Dawkins wouldn't.

[DolaMight]

Ick? Iggle? Hoogie?

[Contra]

Oh thank god, I thought the Jets would be stupid enough to pick him up.

[STC-Dub]

I am shocked at the second year of the deal for 5+ million dollars.

[hammersavage]

this is an 'everything Ron and Fez' topic?

[DolaMight]

I am shocked at the second year of the deal for 5+ million dollars.

after 2 super bowls thats a bargain

[KnoxHarrington]

I am shocked at the second year of the deal for 5+ million dollars.

There is nothing more meaningless than the final year (or even two or three) of an NFL contract.

Those contracts can be ripped up at any moment.

[TripleSkeet]

Signed a 1 year deal tonight with an option for a 2nd year.

Doesnt really bother me.

Thoughts?

[Judge Smails]

I like this thread title better than the other one. The extra "S" is for Scumbag.

[hammersavage]

mods are sleepy

[Drunky McBetidont]

Signed a 1 year deal tonight with an option for a 2nd year.

Doesnt really bother me.

Thoughts?

mmmm, dog tastes like chicken

http://z.about.com/d/greekfood/1/0/i/2/hamburger2_393w.jpg

[Slumbag]

Wait......
First he drowns a dog, THEN he rubs vapor rub on an eagle?

THAT'S AN ENDANGERED SPECIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does he keep getting away with this shit.

I'm outraged.

[realmenhatelife]

If you live in the Philadelphia area like me all of your friends have been posting hilarious things like 'Do you think they'll play Who Let the Dogs Out at the Linc now?' on their facebooks and you've been wondering why you haven't killed yourself with a hammer yet.

[Furtherman]

This is great. I love the false outrage considering there are active NFL players who've killed PEOPLE.

Go Eagles!

[sailor]

This is great. I love the false outrage considering there are active NFL players who've killed PEOPLE.

Go Eagles!

with malice aforethought?

[Furtherman]

There are professional athletes who've hurt and abused and raped too. And the fans cheer on!
If people are true to their outrage, they should stop watching sports altogether.

Yea that will happen.

[Ritalin]

This gets a giganitic Meh from me.

You wouldn't be that excited if you had gotten Vick BEFORE he went to jail, why be excited now? All you need to do is look at what Matt Ryan did in Atlanta last year.

Why would anyone think Vick's gotten any better in 2 years out of football? If Donovan stays healthy, Vick will run around 5 or 6 option plays a game, and so what. Maybe a highlight play or two for the season. But if he ends up starting for you you're sunk. He's a coach killer. Just enough talent to get a coach fired.

[CountryBob]

I'm glad he is getting a second chance - he just killed a few dogs for God's sake - and now has paid the penalty for his actions. The country needs to get over it - fuckin Kobe Bryant settled a rape lawsuit and he did hardly get any heat for it.

[hammersavage]

There are professional athletes who've hurt and abused and raped too.

And a ton of fans too. He's playing in front of most of them.

[sailor]

I'm glad he is getting a second chance - he just killed a few dogs for God's sake - and now has paid the penalty for his actions. The country needs to get over it - fuckin Kobe Bryant settled a rape lawsuit and he did hardly get any heat for it.

most people thought he was innocent. how does that relate to someone convicted of a crime?

[styckx]

There are professional athletes who've hurt and abused and raped too. And the fans cheer on!
If people are true to their outrage, they should stop watching sports altogether.

Yea that will happen.

I used this on my facebook page cause a few of my friends are 'PROTESTING THE EAGLES!!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! HE SHOULD SITLL BE IN JAIL".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sportspeople_convicted_of_cri mes

^ I posted that with "False outrage over Vick. Just stop watching sports all together"

[brettmojo]

http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/michael-vick-is-an-eagle.jpg

[Snoogans]

at this moment, I HATE that I like Michael Vick

[biggestmexi]

at this moment, I HATE that I like Michael Vick

so you have mixed emotions about a guy?

[Snoogans]

so you have mixed emotions about a guy?

about his employer

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Philly would sign Bin Laden if he could Dunk Throw a Touchdown or hit a HR


such a classless city

[Dell]

at this moment, I HATE that I like Michael Vick

that captures my feelings as well...

[CountryBob]

most people thought he was innocent. how does that relate to someone convicted of a crime?

That's true - squash the alligations by settlement versus conviction of a crime. Basically the same thing - Guilty. But, society dosent see it that way or maybe we forget the settlements easier. I just personally didnt see that what he was accused of should be worse that rape or murder of humans. Hell, Stallworth gets hammered and runs over a dude and really gets hardly any jail time but is now suspended for a year from the NFL. Vick bankrolled a dog fighting ring and got more time in jail for it. Even though Stallworth says it was an accident - he still was drunk and murdered someone. I just think that the dog issue hits a nerve in so many other people that probably dont watch much NFL football anyway. Glad he is getting a second chance - paid his price - and good luck.

[Snoogans]

Philly would sign Bin Laden if he could Dunk Throw a Touchdown or hit a HR


such a classless city

http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheCM9NZXIGY2XLBWVUCW==UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgRoger%20Clemens4.jpg http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images/plaxico-burress-on-phone.jpg http://nationalsportsreview.com/sports/us/NateArchambault/files/2009/02/brett_favre_jets_football_400a.jpg

[brettmojo]

http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheCM9NZXIGY2XLBWVUCW==UGVVCGXLLVBLB3BSZQ==/imgRoger%20Clemens4.jpg http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images/plaxico-burress-on-phone.jpg http://nationalsportsreview.com/sports/us/NateArchambault/files/2009/02/brett_favre_jets_football_400a.jpg
How does Favre fit that line up?

[Snoogans]

How does Favre fit that line up?

i dont know but he just really seems like a douche bag. evil douche bag.


Plus he is epo's hero

[Judge Smails]

http://uplode.us/upgal/up/haters.jpg

[styckx]

http://fcdenver.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kobe-bryant.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

about his employer

I love when people are conflicted about liking Philly. Youve been doing this alot lately.

[HBox]

Leonard Little killed a woman driving drunk, served 90 days in jail, continued to play without anyone giving a shit, got caught driving drunk AGAIN, and still continued to play without anyone giving a shit.

But Vick killed some dogs and he shouldn't be allowed to do anything ever again.

[TheMojoPin]

I'll be damned if anyone steals Plax away from his rightful place on the Bears' roster.

[Gvac]

A good friend of mine is a life long, die hard Eagles fan.

He also happens to train dogs for a living. He loves them.

With this signing he has decided to turn his back on the Eagles, much like I did with the Bengals.

I salute his convictions.

Being loyal to your values and beliefs is far more important than loyalty to a professional sports corporation.

[lleeder]

I don't think he has the range for Hotel California

[Johnny Fall Branch]

Well.....at least the fans In Cleveland can breathe a sigh of relief!:drunk:

[underdog]

I don't think he has the range for Hotel California

I wish I knew where you lived. I'd come by just to boo you in person.

[brettmojo]

Leonard Little killed a woman driving drunk, served 90 days in jail, continued to play without anyone giving a shit, got caught driving drunk AGAIN, and still continued to play without anyone giving a shit.

But Vick killed some dogs and he shouldn't be allowed to do anything ever again.
Yeah he purposely killed animals by his own hand drowning, shooting, hanging and electrocuting them, broke federal laws, participated and bankrolled an illegal gambling ring based upon animals fighting each other to the death.

Let him throw a fucking ball up and down a field.

[hanso]

It's said hes there so the team can run the wildcat.
Or will it be called the wild dog in his case?
herumpth.

[K.C.]

http://ec.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/vicklive.jpg

[HBox]

Yeah he purposely killed animals by his own hand drowning, shooting, hanging and electrocuting them, broke federal laws, participated and bankrolled an illegal gambling ring based upon animals fighting each other to the death.

Let him throw a fucking ball up and down a field.

People > dogs. One person > many dogs.

[DiabloSammich]

A good friend of mine is a life long, die hard Eagles fan.

He also happens to train dogs for a living. He loves them.

With this signing he has decided to turn his back on the Eagles, much like I did with the Bengals.

I salute his convictions.

Being loyal to your values and beliefs is far more important than loyalty to a professional sports corporation.



Your friend sounds hot.

[spadanko]

I don't think Jaws is gonna like him wearing #7

[DiabloSammich]

Philly would sign Bin Laden if he could Dunk Throw a Touchdown or hit a HR


such a classless city




How do you dunk throw a touchdown?


Use a comma once in a while, cretin.

[Snoogans]

I love when people are conflicted about liking Philly. Youve been doing this alot lately.

i hate people who cant read.
The conflict comes in that I HATE Philly, I like Michael Vick. Thats the conflict.

The only thing I ever said that I guess wasnt negative with philly was when I hoped Pedro did awesome to shit on the Mets.

[Ritalin]

I'll be damned if anyone steals Plax away from his rightful place on the Bears' roster.


Not even funny.

[TheMojoPin]

Not even funny.

You wouldn't want one of the better WR's out there given how the Bears need to improve in that area to maximize having such a good QB?

I'll be pissed if they don't do everything they can to sign him if he doesn't get tossed in the clink.

[CruelCircus]

Let him throw a fucking ball up and down a field.

Why on earth does anyone have to be a paragon of virtue, or even just a halfway decent person, to simply throw a fucking ball up and down a field?

[brettmojo]

Why on earth does anyone have to be a paragon of virtue, or even just a halfway decent person, to simply throw a fucking ball up and down a field?
Think you missed the point entirely.

[Ritalin]

You wouldn't want one of the better WR's out there given how the Bears need to improve in that area to maximize having such a good QB?

I'll be pissed if they don't do everything they can to sign him if he doesn't get tossed in the clink.

hey, I'm out here in NY, so I saw it up close how he KILLED the Giants last season. He's a cancer, much worse than T.O.

And the whole thing is moot, because he's definitely doing real
time.

[instrument]

why are the eagles so set on having a black qb? cunningham, mc nabb, and soon to be vick it seems?

they really need to focus on an offensive line and a good qb.

[JimBeam]

What I don't get is how people think that Vick will be good as a WR or a RB just because he could run as a QB.

It's one thing to beat a lineman in the backfield on the first move but it's a whole other thing to beat a safety or corner who is as fast if not faster than you.

The NFL is full of great athletes so it's not like Vick goes to the top of the charts as being the best at any position.

I also don't see how you take the ball out of the hands of a good QB, in this case Mcnabb, to run a gimmick play.

The Dolphins doing it with a so so QB like Pennington makes sense but not the Eagles.

[TheMojoPin]

hey, I'm out here in NY, so I saw it up close how he KILLED the Giants last season. He's a cancer, much worse than T.O.

And the whole thing is moot, because he's definitely doing real
time.

If anything killed the Giants it was not having him after he got the boot. He was a critical part of their offense and the success they've had while he was with them and they're definitely going to be (as we've already seen) a lesser team offensively without him.

[zildjian361]

he did 2 years for some dumb serious shit. 2 years nobody on this board probaly spent more than 48 hours in lockup. he deserves another shot.

[Ritalin]

If anything killed the Giants it was not having him after he got the boot. He was a critical part of their offense and the success they've had while he was with them and they're definitely going to be (as we've already seen) a lesser team offensively without him.

He had already been suspended once last season before he pulled
his Cheddar Bob act for missing team meetings. He's talented, when he shows up.

[TheMojoPin]

He had already been suspended once last season before he pulled
his Cheddar Bob act for missing team meetings. He's talented, when he shows up.

Even if he was that flighty he's still way beyond any receiving options the Bears have.

Shit, I wish the timing had been different and they ended up signing T.O. to a one year deal.

I don't give a rat's ass if they're nice guys or not. This is football: they're all just varying degrees of assholes and thugs.

[dan laroe]

i cant wait to chant " who choked the dogs out? "

[cougarjake13]

why are the eagles so set on having a black qb? cunningham, mc nabb, and soon to be vick it seems?

they really need to focus on an offensive line and a good qb.



dont forget rodney peete, jeff blake

[Ritalin]

dont forget rodney peete, jeff blake

I'd like to forget Kordell Stewart.

[Stuft]

Why on earth does anyone have to be a paragon of virtue, or even just a halfway decent person, to simply throw a fucking ball up and down a field?

They don't. But in order to get my support via ticket sales, jersey/merchandise sales, they have to be an organization w/ some kind of standards. Hiring a dog torturer is below my standards. Simple.

[CruelCircus]

Think you missed the point entirely.

No, I disagreed with it, so I countered it.

They don't. But in order to get my support via ticket sales, jersey/merchandise sales, they have to be an organization w/ some kind of standards. Hiring a dog torturer is below my standards. Simple.

That's fine. I don't get it, but it's fine. And if there are enough like you, the Eagles and the NFL will suffer for it; it's unlikely, imo. But why the extra hand-wringing and the protests and the insistance that he not even be allowed to play again? It's silly to get that worked up over a game.

[Stuft]

No, I disagreed with it, so I countered it.



That's fine. I don't get it, but it's fine. And if there are enough like you, the Eagles and the NFL will suffer for it; it's unlikely, imo. But why the extra hand-wringing and the protests and the insistance that he not even be allowed to play again? It's silly to get that worked up over a game.

You don't get why there'd be opposition to his signing?

And, I'm not delusional... I don't think me not buying my b/f tickets(or Eagles merchandise) for a couple games this season (in protest) is gonna make a huge difference to the organization.
It, however, makes a difference to me and my disdain for their decision. THAT'S how i choose to voice my distaste for the actions they've taken. Not trying to change the world or protest anywhere, but will ALWAYS stick to my principles.

Fuck Michael Vick and the Eagles, for signing him. :smile:

[hanso]

There are many up and comers. Just waiting for a chance. That could be there in place of those that choose and stay on the wrong path.

[JimBeam]

he did 2 years for some dumb serious shit. 2 years nobody on this board probaly spent more than 48 hours in lockup. he deserves another shot.

Wait is that the new cool thing ?

We're all supposed to do some time in jail to validate ourselves ?

What about the other 99% of the NFL that has never done " more than 48 hours in lockup " ?

Should they be cut from the rosters ?

The thing is Vick should be given a chance to play again because this is America and we believe in 2nd chances.

But he does not DESERVE anything.

People deserve things when they've done things to earn them.

Guys who spend years on the scout teams and develpomental squads deserve a chance to play in the NFL.

People who commit crimes and then serve the legal time for those have not earned a damn thing.

Earning something is putting the time and effort and then being rewarded after the fact.

When you commit a crime and then pay the price your are paying back for your transgresions not earning some future good will.

[sailor]

for the record, i have no problem with him getting a 2nd chance or actually signing with the eagles. i just think it's silly of people to ridicule those who don't think he should be in the nfl. if you have a problem with leonard little, go and protest him. i think they're unrelated.

[brettmojo]

Why on earth does anyone have to be a paragon of virtue, or even just a halfway decent person, to simply throw a fucking ball up and down a field?

No, I disagreed with it, so I countered it.
Nope. Just missed it.

[K.C.]

Hahaha...they cut out James Brown's flimsy attempt at some poetic rhetorical moment with his "wha bout the dogs....wha bout the dogs" question that they played on the show on Friday.

[JimBeam]

There was a short article on ESPN.com that pretty much said they can uner stand that Vick needed the Eagles but did the Eagles need Vick.

It went on to point out how lots of folks in the Eagles organization where saying things like " We'll be good fro Michael. We can help him get right. "

One quote even had Reid equating the problems he had with his own kids to what Vick is going through.

The author of the article then questioned if that's what Reid's job with the Eagles entailed.

Is it his job to get players reaquainted with society or is it his job to make the team win games.

The author also made some reference that the Eagles should be very proud of the " great society ", or something to that effect, they have assembled but have they really made themselves a better team.

The bottom line is if the Eagles don't win more games this year than they did last year has this signing even worked ?

[Russel P]

he did 2 years for some dumb serious shit. 2 years nobody on this board probaly spent more than 48 hours in lockup. he deserves another shot.

I've done more time than Vick (who got 18 months), and 48 hours in county lockup plenty of times. Don't make assumptions. Just sayin'.

[JimBeam]

I've done more time than Vick (who got 18 months), and 48 hours in county lockup plenty of times. Don't make assumptions. Just sayin'.

See so the Eagles should've signed you.

You deserve a chance to play in th NFL because you did your time.

[Russel P]

I wish there was an emoticon that showed how hard I am laughing! I like you, JB!

Not in a "I've been locked for a long time" kinda way, either.

[hanso]

What I don't get is how people think that Vick will be good as a WR or a RB just because he could run as a QB.

It's one thing to beat a lineman in the backfield on the first move but it's a whole other thing to beat a safety or corner who is as fast if not faster than you.

The NFL is full of great athletes so it's not like Vick goes to the top of the charts as being the best at any position.

I also don't see how you take the ball out of the hands of a good QB, in this case Mcnabb, to run a gimmick play.

The Dolphins doing it with a so so QB like Pennington makes sense but not the Eagles.

The option play or wild dog in Vicks case.
Opens 1 player for the Defense so it has the same effect as when he had run as a Qb.

Also Pennington may have seemed like a so so Qb.
But even with the Jets he was among the top in completion percentage.
It just turned out that the interceptions happened at inopportune times.
And the Jets defense was unable to ever get them back in the game.
Moreover the Dolphins offence line might have gotten better to move Pennington to the top completion percentage if I remember right.

[TooLowBrow]

i would guess that defenders are going to batter his arms during plays and tackles, limiting his throwing use

quarterbacks are protected, but he wont be anymore

[TripleSkeet]

I just wish the protestors would just shut the fuck up now. Hes signed. Thats it. Its over. Not gonna change. All they are doing by bringing their dogs to Novacare is looking ridiculous. The Eagles arent going to fire him and pay him $1.6 million to stay home now. And why the fuck would you want that anyway???? Dont these people have fucking jobs? I wish I had the free time to go protest some miniscule bullshit.

The best part about the Eagles signing Vick in my opinion is now we are finally ridding ourselves of all the bandwagon fans that jumped on in 2001. Those and the annoying women that think they know anything about football when you try to have a sports discussion. Good riddance to both. Dont come the fuck back when the Eagles are in the playoffs.

[JimBeam]

The option play or wild dog in Vicks case.
Opens 1 player for the Defense so it has the same effect as when he had run as a Qb.


It's the same person that would've been the spy on him if he started at QB.

Now you throw a McNabb out as a WR, who's not gonna be as talented as an actual WR, and you open him up to be hit because he also will not be protected as a QB.

[cougarjake13]

I'd like to forget Kordell Stewart.

was never an eagle though

[TripleSkeet]

What I don't get is how people think that Vick will be good as a WR or a RB just because he could run as a QB.

It's one thing to beat a lineman in the backfield on the first move but it's a whole other thing to beat a safety or corner who is as fast if not faster than you.

The NFL is full of great athletes so it's not like Vick goes to the top of the charts as being the best at any position.

I also don't see how you take the ball out of the hands of a good QB, in this case Mcnabb, to run a gimmick play.

The Dolphins doing it with a so so QB like Pennington makes sense but not the Eagles.

Dont be surprised if they use Vick as a split back in the red zone. Spread out the defense with Macklin, Jackson and Curtis, have Westbrook and Vick in the backfield, and McNabb QBing. Theres an old saying in the NFL: "Speed kills." And with that formation it will.

[hanso]

Well when you run the wildcat the "real" qb is an open target everytime. Wherever he ends up on the play.

The Dolphins were doing it with a rb/qb.
It seems that a qb/rb would be a better way of doing it.

Which is what Vick would be. And its what White is now for the Dolphins. (qb/rb). There draft pick who is like a younger version of Vick. And said to have even more potential.

[hammersavage]

Enough about the wildcat. See how well it did the 2nd time a team faced it? It's a gimmick offense that doesn't have long term success.

[underdog]

Enough about the wildcat. See how well it did the 2nd time a team faced it? It's a gimmick offense that doesn't have long term success.

You're a gimmick offense.

[Snoogans]

Enough about the wildcat. See how well it did the 2nd time a team faced it? It's a gimmick offense that doesn't have long term success.

I love that. No long term success, thats why its been in football for a long time. All that shit is cyclical. Basically its going to evolve into the NFL running the option with RB's. And it will stick and its been in college forever and it still works.

[JimBeam]

Snoogans it's run in college because yopu're not paying a guy $6 million a year to run it.

If he gets hurt you go to the next guy.

How succesful was it for any team that's won a Super Bowl ?

Exactly, because none of them ran it.

Tne Run & Shoot was popular and that was fazed out as well.

All things that are gimmicky and don't work all the time time are cyclical.

Things that work are constant.

Theres an old saying in the NFL: "Speed kills." And with that formation it will.

Yeah and as I stated ther NFL is full of guys that are just as fast and faster than Vick who aren't29 years old and spent 2 years doing nothing.

You're also talking about a guy that was already prone to fumble.

[hammersavage]

Snoogans it's run in college because yopu're not paying a guy $6 million a year to run it.

If he gets hurt you go to the next guy.

How succesful was it for any team that's won a Super Bowl ?

Exactly, because none of them ran it.

Tne Run & Shoot was popular and that was fazed out as well.

All things that are gimmicky and don't work all the time time are cyclical.

Things that work are constant.



Yeah and as I stated ther NFL is full of guys that are just as fast and faster than Vick who aren't29 years old and spent 2 years doing nothing.

You're also talking about a guy that was already prone to fumble.

yup

[Snoogans]

yup

yea because you are thinkin of it being run with a QB. You can run it in the NFL with 2 RB's, they take hits like that on every play anyway.

Thats the whole reason it took so long to get to the NFL, cause you cant do it with a QB. You can with RB's, especailly ones who played a little QB in HS or college

[hammersavage]

It took so long to get to the NFL, then it lasted 4 weeks. Then defenses figured out how easy it is to defend. See how well it worked for the Dolphins the 2nd time around against the Ravens.


Its a gimmick. The NFL has had a ton of gimmicks that people think will last and don't. It's not how you win SuperBowls. Maybe a game or two.

[Snoogans]

It took so long to get to the NFL, then it lasted 4 weeks. Then defenses figured out how easy it is to defend. See how well it worked for the Dolphins the 2nd time around against the Ravens.


Its a gimmick. The NFL has had a ton of gimmicks that people think will last and don't. It's not how you win SuperBowls. Maybe a game or two.

its also not an offense. Its a thing you use a few plays a game. No one is going and installing a triple option offense in teh NFL. But it will work if you use it right.

And it was a little more than 4 weeks, considering the dolphins ran 12% of their offensive plays from it last season.

[hammersavage]

And it was a little more than 4 weeks, considering the dolphins ran 12% of their offensive plays from it last season.

you want to know how many times they ran it in the playoffs? TWICE. and got 6 yards. because a retard can defend it after he sees it once.


and what do you think that % will be this year? and how many games will they win?

[Snoogans]

you want to know how many times they ran it in the playoffs? TWICE. and got 6 yards. because a retard can defend it after he sees it once.


and what do you think that % will be this year? and how many games will they win?

sadly i think the % will be the same or more, cause of pat white.

And a retard can stop it after the first time they see it? Its a modified option. That doesnt get stopped after the first time you see it. It started getting stopped cause the dolphins ran like 2 or 3 plays out of it. You could easily come up with a few other things you can do, and make it a package, and adjust. Then the D adjusts, then you adjust other things to counter that.

But the wildcat as a formation is not really a gimmick. its a pretty good package if you have the guys and know how to work it.

[Snoogans]

you want to know how many times they ran it in the playoffs? TWICE. and got 6 yards. because a retard can defend it after he sees it once.


and what do you think that % will be this year? and how many games will they win?

and btw they ran it twice for 6 yards, which isnt much off what you would get with 2 avg running plays. Thats still a hell of alot more than 4 weeks. They ran it almost the whole year pretty successful, and with time to tweak things and add to it, you can keep running it pretty well.

[hammersavage]

Eh, perhaps. I wish I could root for Vick to be successful with the wildcat.

But I just can root for someone who did something so horrible in their past. Like signing with Philadelphia.


And on a side note, I think Gruden has the chance to be the next great booth guy. Jaworski is a genius but I don't know if he is best served in the booth. And Tirico is great. Finally, a booth I like to listen to. It will be short lived cuz Gruden should get a job next offseason.

[Snoogans]

Eh, perhaps. I wish I could root for Vick to be successful with the wildcat.

But I just can root for someone who did something so horrible in their past. Like signing with Philadelphia.


And on a side note, I think Gruden has the chance to be the next great booth guy. Jaworski is a genius but I don't know if he is best served in the booth. And Tirico is great. Finally, a booth I like to listen to. It will be short lived cuz Gruden should get a job next offseason.

I actually said this earlier today to someone on AIM. I think Gruden has done a really good job and he does well when he does like NFL live type shit too.

[hammersavage]

He was a notoriously hard working coach who prepped like no one else. Maybe not the best in game coach toward the end.

But he knows the game so well and he's personable. If Jaws can bring what he does well, which is breaking down film, then the booth will be fantastic

[JimBeam]

Comparing it again to college take a look at Ga Tech last year.

They killed teams w/ their triple option all year and then what happened when they faced LSU ?

They faced a bigger, stronger and faster defense that had time to game plan for that offense and Ga Tech got destroyed.

[Snoogans]

Comparing it again to college take a look at Ga Tech last year.

They killed teams w/ their triple option all year and then what happened when they faced LSU ?

They faced a bigger, stronger and faster defense that had time to game plan for that offense and Ga Tech got destroyed.

again as I said once, NO ONE IS TRYIN TO INSTALL A TRIPLE OPTION IN THE NFL. Thats georgia techs offense. Im sayin the wildcat can work in the NFL when occasionally used as a formation package. Obviously you cant build an offense around that.


The triple option is fun as hell to watch though. I used to hate having to play Navy when Johnson was there

[hammersavage]

again as I said once, NO ONE IS TRYIN TO INSTALL A TRIPLE OPTION IN THE NFL. Thats georgia techs offense. Im sayin the wildcat can work in the NFL when occasionally used as a formation package. Obviously you cant build an offense around that.

See, I think we're on the same page here. I just hate people who say 'the Eagles signed Vick, they can run the wildcat'. Sure, for 2 or 3 plays a game they could run it. It has no impact on their team in the long term. If Vick is a running back or wide receiver, then he has an impact.

And occasionally used as a formation package sounds like a gimmick.

[Snoogans]

See, I think we're on the same page here. I just hate people who say 'the Eagles signed Vick, they can run the wildcat'. Sure, for 2 or 3 plays a game they could run it. It has no impact on their team in the long term. If Vick is a running back or wide receiver, then he has an impact.

And occasionally used as a formation package sounds like a gimmick.

Miami ran it an avg of 8-10 plays a game last year.

You could prob get away with 10, especially if you draw up some passes out of it if you are using someone like Vick or White or something

[Snoogans]

See, I think we're on the same page here. I just hate people who say 'the Eagles signed Vick, they can run the wildcat'. Sure, for 2 or 3 plays a game they could run it. It has no impact on their team in the long term. If Vick is a running back or wide receiver, then he has an impact.

And occasionally used as a formation package sounds like a gimmick.

do you know what a formation package is? EXACTLY WHAT YOU AGREED TO. How many times does a team go to the I formation per game? Not many anymore. You only use each package a few plays a game. Thats why it DOES work

[hanso]

The last time the Dolphins won a super bowl.
It was from something non standard coming from collage play.

Wishbone formation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishbone_formation

The Wishbone was designed to be an Option Based Offense. The purpose of an option is to eliminate one defender without blocking him. Ideally, the defender must make a choice to eliminate one of two offensive players.

[Snoogans]

The last time the Dolphins won a super bowl.
It was from something non standard and which was from collage play.

Wishbone formation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishbone_formation

The Wishbone was designed to be an Option Based Offense. The purpose of an option is to eliminate one defender without blocking him. Ideally, the defender must make a choice to eliminate one of two offensive players.

and the wishbone has since basically become the triple option

[hammersavage]

So you want to bring back the wishbone? Let's have Vick throw jump passes too.

[Snoogans]

So you want to bring back the wishbone? Let's have Vick throw jump passes too.

the wishbone would fuck people up today if you had a fast guy at QB and a FB with some speed

[hammersavage]

the wishbone would fuck people up today if you had a fast guy at QB and a FB with some speed

you don't think people much smarter than us have had that option and haven't done it?

[Snoogans]

you don't think people much smarter than us have had that option and haven't done it?

cause the league evolves. name a Qb in the NFL in the mid 80's who could have even tried. Maybe Cunningham and thats about it. Now that you have all these athletes and speed guys at QB, you could make it work.

[hammersavage]

cause the league evolves. name a Qb in the NFL in the mid 80's who could have even tried. Maybe Cunningham and thats about it. Now that you have all these athletes and speed guys at QB, you could make it work.

maybe not the 80's but you certainly had them since the mid 90's. Akili Smith was a bum but he ran a 4.6 40.

and as athletic as the QB position got, you could say the same for interior defenders. they are faster than ever.

[Snoogans]

maybe not the 80's but you certainly had them since the mid 90's. Akili Smith was a bum but he ran a 4.6 40.

and as athletic as the QB position got, you could say the same for interior defenders. they are faster than ever.

yea but for the wishbone its not just about the QB. You need 2 starting caliber running backs and a Full back with size who is also pretty fast. you have to build for it. Most teams dont have guys on their roster to do it.

And the Bengals sure as shit didnt have the backs to do it with Akili Smith

[hammersavage]

yea but for the wishbone its not just about the QB. You need 2 starting caliber running backs and a Full back with size who is also pretty fast. you have to build for it. Most teams dont have guys on their roster to do it.

you could be right. but I think some offensive mind would have tried to put that package together.

you can have the wildcat in your offense as a gimmick, just like you have a flea flicker and other 'gook' plays.

[Snoogans]

you could be right. but I think some offensive mind would have tried to put that package together.

you can have the wildcat in your offense as a gimmick, just like you have a flea flicker and other 'gook' plays.

im unfamiliar with gook plays

[hammersavage]

im unfamiliar with gook plays

the Bill Parcells school of racial slurs. gook or jap plays

[Snoogans]

the Bill Parcells school of racial slurs. gook or jap plays

he called them jap plays. Surprise plays

[hammersavage]

he called them jap plays. Surprise plays

right. they are also called gook plays

[Snoogans]

right. they are also called gook plays

i thought you just fucked up typing goof

[sailor]

love the wishbone. love the option.

thought he meant goof as well.

[TripleSkeet]

See, I think we're on the same page here. I just hate people who say 'the Eagles signed Vick, they can run the wildcat'. Sure, for 2 or 3 plays a game they could run it. It has no impact on their team in the long term. If Vick is a running back or wide receiver, then he has an impact.

And occasionally used as a formation package sounds like a gimmick.

Thats why I keep telling you to stop buying Andy Reids bullshit. Thats not why they brought him here. They brought him here to use as a weapon in the red zone. Somewhere they had a miserable time trying to score from last year.

Especially considering the offensive line is a train wreck right now with injuries. You put a split back set with Vick and Westbrook, and it keeps the pressure off Mcnabb. Not to mention a decent option at backup QB if something happens to Donovan.

Oh and I forget who said it, but if Vick is running at 75% what he was when he left, hes still one of the fastest guys in the league. Period.

[Snoogans]

Thats why I keep telling you to stop buying Andy Reids bullshit. Thats not why they brought him here. They brought him here to use as a weapon in the red zone. Somewhere they had a miserable time trying to score from last year.

Especially considering the offensive line is a train wreck right now with injuries. You put a split back set with Vick and Westbrook, and it keeps the pressure off Mcnabb. Not to mention a decent option at backup QB if something happens to Donovan.

Oh and I forget who said it, but if Vick is running at 75% what he was when he left, hes still one of the fastest guys in the league. Period.

im not worried about his speed as much as his quickness. The way he used to cut and change directions, thats what I worry he might have lost some of

[hanso]

So you want to bring back the wishbone? Let's have Vick throw jump passes too.

Yes I do. I'd also like to see more sweep runs, even pulling the line.
I like non standard plays. Open up the play book I say.

But I was pointing This out . That a super bowl had been won using this type of stuff.Think it was JimBeam that said otherwise.

And it was 3 bowls made in a row. The forth season key players went over to a new league back then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins#1970s

[JimBeam]

That a super bowl had been won using this type of stuff.Think it was JimBeam that said otherwise.

I did refer to the fact that teams that have won Super Bowls did not do it running gimmick offenses.

With that said I meant in my football watching life which would've been post 1970's Dolphins.

[hanso]

I got the 2nd preseason Dolphins game on.
Saw these stats put up.
They ran the wildcat 10 % of the time
Avg. apx 8 yrds
And got 8 td's out of the deal.

[Snoogans]

I got the 2nd preseason Dolphins game on.
Saw these stats put up.
They ran the wildcat 10 % of the time
Avg. apx 8 yrds
And got 8 td's out of the deal.

now imagine what the can do with it adding passes since they have pat white

[hanso]

The replays on nfl ch. now.
Hes at qb now.

[Snoogans]

The replays on nfl ch. now.
Hes at qb now.

nice. I dont get NFL network because apparently James Dolan thinks asses feel good to fuck

[hanso]

nice. I dont get NFL network because apparently James Dolan thinks asses feel good to fuck

Well he didn't play much anyway. Good luck getting it on your provider this season.

now imagine what the can do with it adding passes since they have pat white
Or Vick with the Eagles for that matter (back on topic).:innocent:

[hanso]

Rutt Row
Vick seen slamin vodies @ airport :devil2:

He will play on thu. If he can stay outa trouble till then.

[brettmojo]

http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/vick_mural_cu.jpg

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Do you think the cheers that Vick got in last Thursday's pre-season game will
A) Throw McNabb off his game by worrying about not having as much fan support or
B) Just serve to want to make sure his performance is better
C) something else

Whadda ya got?

[TripleSkeet]

Do you think the cheers that Vick got in last Thursday's pre-season game will
A) Throw McNabb off his game by worrying about not having as much fan support or
B) Just serve to want to make sure his performance is better
C) something else

Whadda ya got?

I think he got cheerd like he did for a few reasons...

A. Because most Eagles fans are tired of the whining from the crybabies that dont even follow the fucking game. Most of the people that were against Vick playing again? They dont go to Eagles games. The real fans cheered him because hes an Eagle now and they want to let him know if he helps them win, they dont care what he did before. If he plays badly, theyll let him know that too.

B. I dont think it will throw off his game but I definitely think if Vick gets crazy cheers like that during the season itll bother Donovan. You could tell he HATED the way TO was embraced in this city. He dont understand it because of the way he was booed in the beginning. What he dont get though is just because they are cheering the new guy like crazy, doesnt mean the fans dont still love him.

So I guess Id say B.