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AKA
08-24-2009, 03:55 PM
Who? most of you ask...

Longtime WJFK listeners remember him as the wacky caller into THE DON AND MIKE SHOW who may have took things a little too far; but he also had a very important impact on the Ron and Fez world...

Here's the blurb on Carl's death from DCRTV, including his family's spin on how this was all Don Geronimo's fault...

8/24 - DCRTV gets confirmation that Carl Grossman, 60, the Leesburg man who pleaded guilty in Fairfax County Court in May 2007 to a misdemeanor charge of stalking in connection with a January 2007 incident in which former WJFK afternoon host Don Geronimo (aka Michael Sorce) received a letter that allegedly contained threats to himself and his family, has died. Grossman, who had been a frequent caller on the Don and Mike O'Meara show, was given a one-year jail sentence with 10 months suspended, followed by a year of probation and a period of supervised mental health care. Grossman's sister, Sara, tells DCRTV that her brother's death "was very sudden and unexpected. Of course, my family blames Don Geronimo for his death in a weird way." She adds: "Our view is that if Don had accepted Carl's written apology, or allowed Carl to pay a fine and be on probation instead of insisting that no plea could be reached unless a jail sentence was attached, then Carl would not have been fired from his job, would not have been denied unemployment benefits, would not have lost health insurance, could have gone to see doctors and afford medications for his asthma, and would not have died uninsured and with respiratory failure that he could not afford to have treated properly." She says that Carl went to an emergency room last Wednesday. He was released from the hospital on Friday and was found dead of an apparent asthma attack on Saturday morning after placing a 911 call at 5 AM.....

The arrest happened, I believe, after of a long, long standing restraining order, after Carl supposedly did a drive-by of Don's house many years ago - way before 2007 - long before even R&F were on ini DC.

When Ron and Fez were on WJFK, Carl would call into the show from time to time (under another name, that I can't remember now). He also had a relationship with The Hideout when they were here. Once he wanted to come down to the station, but when Ron got the full story of Carl's problems with the station he asked him not to. This didn't stop Carl from crashing what I think was the last R&F Show, just as it was going off the air (if not that show, another of the final ones back in 2005).

Why YOU should know Carl was he was heavily involved in the SU streams and archives out of DC back in the day. I'm not sure of particulars - I'm sure others were involved - but his streaming and archiving these shows (D&M and The Hideout, as well as R&F) was more reliable than just about anyone else, from what I understand. I know others on here no more and know the real story.

dino_electropolis
08-24-2009, 03:58 PM
RIP wacky radio show call in guy.

Space Edge
08-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Was this the guy that did SU called Cheese Face ?

AKA
08-24-2009, 04:09 PM
Was this the guy that did SU called Cheese Face ?

YES - thank you - I forgot - but yeah, that was his name.

Space Edge
08-24-2009, 04:31 PM
YES - thank you - I forgot - but yeah, that was his name.

Yeah from what I remember and what I have been told he used to cap R&F , The Hideout and D&M and used to flood them on usenet each week. Then one day he disapeared and didn't post for a month so someone else stepped in and took over what he was doing. I'm missing a month of Hideout shows b/c of this guy :thumbdown:

He used to make some creepy calls to the Hideout he sounded like a real nut job

AKA
08-24-2009, 04:34 PM
Yeah, a lot of things are coming back - I remember some way off the mic stuff he did with threatening people and stuff. VERY strange. I have vivid memories of his first calls into D&M back in the early 90s when he billed himself as "Carl The Merry Jew Grossman."

Heather 8
08-24-2009, 04:39 PM
"Of course, my family blames Don Geronimo for his death in a weird way." She adds: "Our view is that if Don had accepted Carl's written apology, or allowed Carl to pay a fine and be on probation instead of insisting that no plea could be reached unless a jail sentence was attached, then Carl would not have been fired from his job, would not have been denied unemployment benefits, would not have lost health insurance, could have gone to see doctors and afford medications for his asthma, and would not have died uninsured and with respiratory failure that he could not afford to have treated properly."

Or maybe your brother took a radio show way too fucking seriously and brought a lot of this on himself.

IamFogHat
08-24-2009, 04:49 PM
What a strange web this guy's life was.

PapaBear
08-24-2009, 04:49 PM
RIP CheeseFace. You were always fun to talk to on AIM.:down:

bobrobot
08-24-2009, 05:08 PM
I didn't know him very well or for very long but I could tell instantly that Carl was a sweet, well meaning, yet confused guy who needed help, instead of help, he got the legal system & that never comes to any good in psychiatric cases. I certainly wouldn't blame Don Geronimo for doing what he felt was necessary to protect himself & his family from any potential danger in a post Mark David Chapman world. Carl did something stupid, more than once, that got him in way over his head. DCRTV's report has no sense of humanity for the guy & his sister's blame game really reflects him in the worst possible light. He was a poor sick guy who seriously needed help & now nothing will ever trouble him again... R.I.P. Cheeseface!!!

PapaBear
08-24-2009, 05:18 PM
I didn't know him very well or for very long but I could tell instantly that Carl was a sweet, well meaning, yet confused guy who needed help, instead of help, he got the legal system & that never comes to any good in psychiatric cases. I certainly wouldn't blame Don Geronimo for doing what he felt was necessary to protect himself & his family from any potential danger in a post Mark David Chapman world. Carl did something stupid, more than once, that got him in way over his head. DCRTV's report has no sense of humanity for the guy & his sister's blame game really reflects him in the worst possible light. He was a poor sick guy who seriously needed help & now nothing will ever trouble him again... R.I.P. Cheeseface!!!
Excellent post, Bobo.

SatCam
08-24-2009, 06:49 PM
I cant remember if I ever talked to this guy but I definitely remember his name from my days of listening to R&F on su....crazy...rip

dotsncoms
08-25-2009, 05:30 AM
I was chatting with him back when Fez started crying every day. He said he had stopped listening to the radio a long time ago.

Nameless
08-25-2009, 08:04 AM
Here's a synopsis of Cheezeface for those that never knew:
http://bit.ly/XMnDP

Fezticle98
08-25-2009, 11:00 AM
Maybe the theft from Fez will suddenly stop.

Although this guy sounds more idiot and less savant.

hurlmon
08-25-2009, 06:36 PM
I cant remember if I ever talked to this guy but I definitely remember his name from my days of listening to R&F on su....crazy...rip

same here.

RIP Cheeseface.

Recyclerz
08-25-2009, 06:58 PM
Sorry to hear about Carl's troubled life and premature death. Like others have said, many, myself included, owe him a debt of gratitude for his efforts during the SU days.

Godspeed.

Dirtybird12
08-25-2009, 07:12 PM
RIP Brother Cheese. The guy was super talented on guitar. We hung out and spoke on the phone many times - He was def misunderstood by most - deservingly so. The Carl I knew was a sweet guy who was always in search of a pal or someone to listen.

Dirtybird12
08-25-2009, 07:16 PM
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PapaBear
08-25-2009, 07:21 PM
Nice! I completely forgot about him being on Youtube.

bobrobot
08-25-2009, 09:04 PM
Carl's YouTube Page (click) (http://www.youtube.com/user/CarlGrossman)

Carl hadda really nice "orchestral w/ plectrum" style of playing!!!

AKA
09-01-2009, 04:21 AM
Don's "open letter" to DCRTV where he gives more perspective on his side of things...

http://dongeronimo.posterous.com/dave-hughesdcrttvcom-an-open-letter