Ted Kennedy ...DEAD

[Dirtybird12]

Ted has died... NBC News reports

[Judge Smails]

No, he's not dead yet. He's trapped in an air pocket. If someone acts quickly and notifies the proper authorities we still might be able to . . . . . . oh, nevermind. Too late.

[PapaBear]

Link (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022)

[WampusCrandle]

bye teddy. (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022)

[bobrobot]

He hadda really nice "orchestral w/ plectrum" style of playing...
Oops, wrong guy...
he was a really good swimmer
& his relatives were really good addicts to other stuff
& engaged in OTHER criminal behavior!!!

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m104/rmkeeley/ted_kennedy-hideous.jpg

[Dirtybird12]

[B][COLOR="Navy"]He hadda really nice "orchestral w/ plectrum" style of playing...
Oops, wrong guy...
]

ha ha nice one:smile:

[Ted Kennedy]

peace out, bitches

[bobrobot]

peace out, bitches

Later Ted... MUCH...!!!

http://fatboy.cc/images/Ted%20Kennedy%202.jpg


not after this!!!

[Reephdweller]

Maybe it's for the best, he was kind've falling apart at the end. RIP

http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Ted-Kennedy/ted-kennedy-eater.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

MaryJo's been waiting for this day for 40 years.

[Sue_Bender]

You people are fucking sick.















Fantastic!

[Rockvillejoe]

i gotta washington post text about this 2 minutes ago, and thought i had the jump on this one. but nooooooooooo. i find i'm an hour late and 5 posts into it.
shit.
got outta bed to gleefully scoop everybody. but noooooooooo.
shit.

[PapaBear]

i gotta washington post text about this 2 minutes ago, and thought i had the jump on this one. but nooooooooooo. i find i'm an hour late and 5 posts into it.
shit.
got outta bed to gleefully scoop everybody. but noooooooooo.
shit.
I'm sure the Kennedy family wishes you got the scoop.:wink:

[Justice4all]

I qoute Denis Leary: "Ted Kennedy...good senator but a bad date. He gets home...'what did I forget now? OH!The fucking girl!! What's the matter with me? Jesus Christ! Where's my pants?"
He was the epitomy of a sleazy sex-crazed senator.
Ah the good ole' days.
RIP Ted. Now you can have a family reunion.

[Judge Smails]

Maybe now Marilyn Monroe can finally get to fuck him and complete her Kennedy Brother Trifecta.

[TooLowBrow]

I would like to extend our sympathies to the Kennedy family as we hear word about the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy. He believed in our country and fought passionately for his convictions.

-Sarah Palin and family

[Rockvillejoe]

I'm sure the Kennedy family wishes you got the scoop.:wink:

i don't know how much more i can take. first eunice, now teddy, if you tell me tom is next, i just won't be able to take it. "you don't say" and "password plus" were my favorites, and tom was always my favorite kennedy.
poor rose. no mother should outlive her children. she has to spinning inside. and i feel for bill cullen. now there was a man.

[boosterp]

Enjoy the afterlife Ted, you paid your dues.

[Judge Smails]

Enjoy the afterlife Ted, you paid your dues.

Yep, two months suspended sentence for killing a girl. A real American hero.

[PapaBear]

Yep, two months suspended sentence for killing a girl. A real American hero.
He didn't kill her. He just didn't try to save her. As Ron would say, she knowingly got into the car with a drunk guy.

[keithy_19]

I was never a fan of him, but dying sucks. RIP

[KnoxHarrington]

The notion that Kennedy was never truly punished for Chapaquiddick is bogus You don't think he would have gotten elected President if that hadn't happened?

[sr71blackbird]

He had a square head

[boosterp]

Yep, two months suspended sentence for killing a girl. A real American hero.

The notion that Kennedy was never truly punished for Chapaquiddick is bogus You don't think he would have gotten elected President if that hadn't happened?

I am not a big fan of his but he suffered through the 70s, through the media, and having to bow to Carter during the 1980 primaries. He was a tortured soul who saw a brother die in WWII, and 2 assassinated, burred a nephew, has sons with tumors and one with a substance abuse issue, and a wacky niece.

[hanso]

Fox news could give a rats ass.
No coverage at all.

[boosterp]

Fox news could give a rats ass.
No coverage at all.

Fox news can kiss his mother's shriveled up old ass. I hate those fuckers.

[LordJezo]

I wonder if this will be used as a way to install an even harder left Obama hardliner into his position.

Not like you could get any more left than Ted, but you never know what the libs will cook up to swing everything to pure Obama all the time.

[boosterp]

I wonder if this will be used as a way to install an even harder left Obama hardliner into his position.

Not like you could get any more left than Ted, but you never know what the libs will cook up to swing everything to pure Obama all the time.

It would be hard to top Ted, it will be interesting to see who runs in the special election.

[A.J.]

I guess the dream CAN die.

[El Mudo]

Hmmmmmm (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83144)

[whorehay]

The Dead Kennedys seem to be making a comeback in '09.

[Jujubees2]

It would be hard to top Ted, it will be interesting to see who runs in the special election.

Alex Baldwin?

[OGC]

It would be hard to top Ted, it will be interesting to see who runs in the special election.

The thing is, the powers that be want to change the law here in Mass so that the Governor can appoint a replacement to finish out Ted's term.

This after they changed it from a Gov's appointment to a special election when they were afraid that then Gov Mitt Romney (republican) might get to name a replacement for John Kerry when he was running for president.

I hate Massachusetts politics.

[sr71blackbird]

I guess God needed a swimmer

[topless_mike]

I guess God needed a swimmer

or a designated driver...

[pennington]

John Kerry finally gets to be the senior Senator.

My condolences to his family. The time is well past, though, for those geniuses in Massachusetts to stop inflicting the Kennedys upon the rest of us.

[robot artist]

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/3628ce9b80.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[hammersavage]

End of an era. Seeya Teddy

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/2503/slide_2503_35561_large.jpg

[Dude!]

Fox news could give a rats ass.
No coverage at all.

i've had cnn on for 1 1/2 hours
they have non-stop coverage
they have gone way overboard

there should be a middle ground
between fox and cnn
they both suck

[foodcourtdruide]

I wonder if this will be used as a way to install an even harder left Obama hardliner into his position.

Not like you could get any more left than Ted, but you never know what the libs will cook up to swing everything to pure Obama all the time.

Lord Jezo strikes again. I stared at this post for a few minutes.

At first, I was in denial about the post, no one could truly believe that Ted Kennedy is the most left you could be. Jezo must be a board character.

Then I felt guilt, does Jezo believe this because I haven't tried hard enough to help him conquer these mistruths?

Well, truthfully we've all tried. So I felt anger! Why does Jezo spread this hatred on the board? Why can't he listen to logic?

Then I got depressed. So many people think like Jezo. It's utterly hopeless.

But is it hopeless? I mean, seriously, we've had moments of ignorance in America before. We prevailed then, and we will prevail now!

I feel like we can work through this! With events like town halls, the lies and propaganda are being exposed. America will see them for what they really are!

And now.. acceptance.

[Judge Smails]

I'm no right-wing nut like Jezo but I hope Teddy rots in hell. For people to say that he's suffered in some way for what he did because he didn't get to be president is insane. Hey, I haven't been president either - where's my fucking parade?

He killed a girl in a drunken stupor and then went home to take a nap. He used his family's power and influence to get himself a slap on the wrist. (Actually "slap on the wrist" is too strong a term.) He never exhibited that he learned anything from his mistakes and continued to drink to excess till his dying day. Wreaking all sorts of havok to those around him. He lived to a ripe old age and was a respected and revered power broker in his party. Boo Fucking Hoo for Ted Kennedy.

[topless_mike]

He used his family's power and influence to get himself

most of that family is like that. have to admit, they stuck together strongly.
god rest his soul, let him rest in peace now, but for everything else, meh.

[Zorro]

Lord Jezo strikes again. I stared at this post for a few minutes.

At first, I was in denial about the post, no one could truly believe that Ted Kennedy is the most left you could be. Jezo must be a board character.

Then I felt guilt, does Jezo believe this because I haven't tried hard enough to help him conquer these mistruths?

Well, truthfully we've all tried. So I felt anger! Why does Jezo spread this hatred on the board? Why can't he listen to logic?

Then I got depressed. So many people think like Jezo. It's utterly hopeless.

But is it hopeless? I mean, seriously, we've had moments of ignorance in America before. We prevailed then, and we will prevail now!

I feel like we can work through this! With events like town halls, the lies and propaganda are being exposed. America will see them for what they really are!

And now.. acceptance.

The Kennedy family ?

[TripleSkeet]

I'm no right-wing nut like Jezo but I hope Teddy rots in hell. For people to say that he's suffered in some way for what he did because he didn't get to be president is insane. Hey, I haven't been president either - where's my fucking parade?

He killed a girl in a drunken stupor and then went home to take a nap. He used his family's power and influence to get himself a slap on the wrist. (Actually "slap on the wrist" is too strong a term.) He never exhibited that he learned anything from his mistakes and continued to drink to excess till his dying day. Wreaking all sorts of havok to those around him. He lived to a ripe old age and was a respected and revered power broker in his party. Boo Fucking Hoo for Ted Kennedy.

Just to make Ive got you right, if some friends go out drinking, they are both drunk, and get in a car to go home, and the driver gets in an accident that kills the passenger, do you think the driver should be tried for murder? Im not even talking about the law, Im talking about personal opinion. Im curious.

[foodcourtdruide]

The Kennedy family ?

No, people who are spreading blatant lies in order to disrupt dialogue in this country about real issues that need to be addressed.

[razorboy]

or a designated driver...

Or a defensive end.

[drjoek]

Just to make Ive got you right, if some friends go out drinking, they are both drunk, and get in a car to go home, and the driver gets in an accident that kills the passenger, do you think the driver should be tried for murder? Im not even talking about the law, Im talking about personal opinion. Im curious.

He should have at least faced charges for manslaughter, going home to sober up then denying it is the part that always angered me

[TripleSkeet]

He should have at least faced charges for manslaughter, going home to sober up then denying it is the part that always angered me

Definitely wrong, but not the question. Based on my question, do you feel a person in that situation should get jail time?

[drjoek]

Definitely wrong, but not the question. Based on my question, do you feel a person in that situation should get jail time?

Yeah I think it warrants some jail time. Whatever is standard for drunk driving vehicular homicide. I believe I read somewhere that he had a couple DUIs before so that should go into the mix

[DarkHippie]

Just wanna say, I am watching it on Fox news and they are giving a good amount of coverage.

[TripleSkeet]

Yeah I think it warrants some jail time. Whatever is standard for drunk driving vehicular homicide. I believe I read somewhere that he had a couple DUIs before so that should go into the mix

See I think thats bullshit. Its one thing if you are a drunk driver that gets into an accident or hits someone crossing the street. But as someone that has drank and drove, and someone thats gone out drinking with friends and voluntarily got in thier car to go home, I think its bullshit that they should have to go to jail because of an accident that kills me when I chose to get in the car. Its ridiculous.

[ChrisTheCop]

Just to make Ive got you right, if some friends go out drinking, they are both drunk, and get in a car to go home, and the driver gets in an accident that kills the passenger, do you think the driver should be tried for murder? Im not even talking about the law, Im talking about personal opinion. Im curious.

If you're drunk, you know it. You dont always know if someone else is.

So the driver, knowing he's drunk, should not get behind the wheel and endanger other lives, including that of his passenger.

The passenger, although he knows he's drunk, perhaps thinking he's in good hands, can not be found at fault for sitting down.

A driver would be charged if he hit and killed a drunken pedestrian, so yes, he should be tried if he kills his passenger.

[Dude!]

i don't think someone who kills
someone while drunk
should be tried for murder
murder is intentional
manslaughter, yes
murder, no

however, someone who leaves
a live woman in a submerged car
and then goes to the Inn for breakfast
and makes all kinds of calls to save his ass
while the girl is there
glug glug glug drowning alone

that person should go to jail

[Judge Smails]

Just to make Ive got you right, if some friends go out drinking, they are both drunk, and get in a car to go home, and the driver gets in an accident that kills the passenger, do you think the driver should be tried for murder? Im not even talking about the law, Im talking about personal opinion. Im curious.

Read my posts again and then read up a little on the case. All the clues point to the fact that she was alive for some period of time in an air bubble in the car. I suppose its questionble whether he could have gotten her help in time. But the fact of the matter is that he did not even try. Instead he went home for night and didn't call the authorities till the morning after he had called his family advisors.

[A.J.]

If you're drunk, you know it. You dont always know if someone else is.

So the driver, knowing he's drunk, should not get behind the wheel and endanger other lives, including that of his passenger.

The passenger, although he knows he's drunk, perhaps thinking he's in good hands, can not be found at fault for sitting down.

A driver would be charged if he hit and killed a drunken pedestrian, so yes, he should be tried if he kills his passenger.

What if he had been on his cell instead?

[Zorro]

No, people who are spreading blatant lies in order to disrupt dialogue in this country about real issues that need to be addressed.

I know what you mean. Somebody told me in order for the government option to be paid for either taxes would go up or the deficit would balloon. Can you believe that crap?

[Ted Kennedy]

I'm no right-wing nut like Jezo but I hope Teddy rots in hell.

I hope the same for you.

[Judge Smails]

I hope the same for you.

And after I went through all that trouble to make you a sig pic. :glurps:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/alden97/mary_jo_kopechne_31.jpg?t=1251267187

[MJ Kopechne]

glug glug glug

[Zorro]

What if he had been on his cell instead?

They work underwater?

[SP1!]

Good, hopefully the ass kissing wont last too long but you can bet they will completely ignore all the shit bills he sponsored when he didnt really care.

[boosterp]

And after I went through all that trouble to make you a sig pic. :glurps:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/alden97/mary_jo_kopechne_31.jpg?t=1251267187

:laugh:

[Crispy123]

Even though I hate Jane Fonda and the Braves. I think Ted Kennedy accomplished alot including putting seinfeld on at all hours of the day in syndication. He was a great man.

[pennington]

Even though I hate Jane Fonda and the Braves. I think Ted Kennedy accomplished alot including putting seinfeld on at all hours of the day in syndication. He was a great man.

I believe you're thinking of Tina Turner (after Ike Got through with her).

[A.J.]

Watching all of the network tributes, I was reminded of the days I used to work as a Congressional Liaison. I was always up on the Hill and often went to Senator Kennedy's office in Russell Building because he was on the Senate Armed Services Committee. Being a history nerd, I always looked forward to stopping there on my rounds. His office was like a museum. The memorabilia there was just amazing to look at.

[Zorro]

Even though I hate Jane Fonda and the Braves. I think Ted Kennedy accomplished alot including putting seinfeld on at all hours of the day in syndication. He was a great man.

My favorite moment was the drunken interview after winning the America's Cup

[TripleSkeet]

If you're drunk, you know it. You dont always know if someone else is.

So the driver, knowing he's drunk, should not get behind the wheel and endanger other lives, including that of his passenger.

The passenger, although he knows he's drunk, perhaps thinking he's in good hands, can not be found at fault for sitting down.

A driver would be charged if he hit and killed a drunken pedestrian, so yes, he should be tried if he kills his passenger.

Thats such fucking bullshit. Anyone thats ever gone out for drinks with a few friends knows it too.

[hanso]

End of error

" ahhh error"

[sr71blackbird]

They are making this guy out to be the best politician that ever lived and a saint. He was neither. I am sorry he died and had brain cancer, but he was no where near as nice as his sister.

[foodcourtdruide]

They are making this guy out to be the best politician that ever lived and a saint. He was neither. I am sorry he died and had brain cancer, but he was no where near as nice as his sister.

Anytime an iconic politician dies the media does this. If death weren't so permanent it would be the best "october surprise" ever.

[keithy_19]

Thats such fucking bullshit. Anyone thats ever gone out for drinks with a few friends knows it too.

I've been out drinking with fiends and have decided to walk home because I felt the driver was intoxicated. I've also given my keys to someone who isn't drunk to drive.

Ted Kennedy left the girl to die. It's quite amazing when you think about it. He had enough sense to go make some calls to people but not to help the girl.

[epo]

How did I know this thread would become about that fateful night?

Let's face it, the Kennedy family is such a bizarre story that only could've happened in America when it did. The dichotomy of their public works and their private fuck-ups is something that would be considered beyond fiction.

While the presidency wasn't in the cards for him for a multitude of reasons, he became one of the finest legislators Washington D.C. has ever seen. Whether we liked him or not, his death is a loss for the political process.

[KC2OSO]

Lord Jezo strikes again. I stared at this post for a few minutes.

At first, I was in denial about the post, no one could truly believe that Ted Kennedy is the most left you could be. Jezo must be a board character.

Then I felt guilt, does Jezo believe this because I haven't tried hard enough to help him conquer these mistruths?

Well, truthfully we've all tried. So I felt anger! Why does Jezo spread this hatred on the board? Why can't he listen to logic?

Then I got depressed. So many people think like Jezo. It's utterly hopeless.

But is it hopeless? I mean, seriously, we've had moments of ignorance in America before. We prevailed then, and we will prevail now!

I feel like we can work through this! With events like town halls, the lies and propaganda are being exposed. America will see them for what they really are!

And now.. acceptance.

That is a cute personal attack. Stupid...but cute.

[badmonkey]

Straight Talk Espresso
Where's Mary Jo Kopechne's Eulogy?
by Henry Rollins
August 27, 2009 (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/08/wheres-mary-jo-kopechnes-eulogy.html)

Thank you Henry fucking Rollins!

[angrymissy]

I didn't know Henry Rollins was writing political pieces now, interesting

[SonOfSmeagol]

He’s getting quite a sendoff, and well deserved. He made some mistakes, but he did his thing and he did it well.

[monkfish]

Christ almighty will Boston TV give it a rest - they've been following the carcass all day long and now I'm missing Flightplan. :thumbdown:

[ToiletCrusher]

he sure is.

[JimBeam]

I've gotta admit I don't know a lot of the details on what happened when the girl died in the car but as best I can tell he scurried away like a coward and was never held to task for it.

How could anybody have any respect for the guy let alone worship him like he killed Hitler, captured bin Laden and cured cancer all in a day's work ?

I just hope that he's getting some kind of religious/karmic justice right now.

[IamFogHat]

We were kind of watching the coverage all day. Part of me thought it was morbid, but another part of me was just urging me to accept that we live in instant world now and we have to all get used to it.

[foodcourtdruide]

That is a cute personal attack. Stupid...but cute.

It really wasn't a personal attack, I was going through the 7 stages of grief, because of the absolutely absurd comment that Ted Kennedy was as left as you can go.

[A.J.]

I just hope that he's getting some kind of religious/karmic justice right now.

In Dantean hell, HE'D be the one stuck in the car over and over and over again.

[Furtherman]

http://www.fmft.net/uss-ted-kennedy%20Chappaquiddick.jpg

[SP1!]

He’s getting quite a sendoff, and well deserved. He made some mistakes, but he did his thing and he did it well.

Why is it well deserved? What the fuck has he really accomplished in the past 20 years besides taking up space that someone who really cares about the people could have occupied?

Fuck him and his mushy head.

[JimBeam]

What exactly did he do that made him so great ?

What one piece of legislature should make us forget all the other things ?

[TheMojoPin]

Ted Kennedy was a deeply flawed man. Nobody should forget the mistakes he made, nor should they allow those mistakes to overshadow a truly remarkable legislative career. Neither side of his life should cancel out the other. Both should be considered when judging the man as a whole.

His career as a senator was by no means a slam dunk from the getgo: he was largely a symbolic and unremarkable representative of his brothers for almost 20 years until 1980. Once he seemingly dumped the expectations of him running for president after the '80 campaign he went on to just shy of three decades of incredible legislative service.

I'm not saying people need to agree with him politically, but to dismiss his time in the senate is ignorance, plain and simple. I'm baffled whenever some people here toss out his name as the example of why "congressional term limits are needed." Kennedy was the exact opposite of that. He basically personified how the benefit of tenure and experience can best be realized.

To say that Edward Kennedy only "took up space" and "didn't care about the people" is uninformed, spiteful garbage. As I said, this was a deeply flawed man who made a number of mistakes in his personal life, but that in no way erases what he accomplished as a senator (or vice versa).

[TheMojoPin]

What exactly did he do that made him so great ?

What one piece of legislature should make us forget all the other things ?

Who is saying that anyone should "forget all the other things?"

[epo]

What exactly did he do that made him so great ?

What one piece of legislature should make us forget all the other things ?

You may not like have liked the late Senator, but his legislative record is quite remarkable. I'm not going to do the research for you, but type "Ted Kennedy legislative accomplishments" into Google.

You'll be impressed with the depth of his record.

[JimBeam]

I understand that he probably passed something at some point in his 40 years but anything that had a national impact ?

Those crazy coots from South Carolina and North Carolina that were in office forever probably passed as much if not more.

Are they held in such high regard ?

[HBox]

I understand that he probably passed something at some point in his 40 years but anything that had a national impact ?

Those crazy coots from South Carolina and North Carolina that were in office forever probably passed as much if not more.

Are they held in such high regard ?

Title IX, Americans with Disabilities Act, State Children's Health Insurance Program, HIPPA, Family Leave Act, played a big role in getting the voting age down to 18, No Child Left Behind. Just off the top of my head.

[TheMojoPin]

I understand that he probably passed something at some point in his 40 years but anything that had a national impact ?

Those crazy coots from South Carolina and North Carolina that were in office forever probably passed as much if not more.

Are they held in such high regard ?

Typically not, no, because it's not simply an issue of longevity.

Basically any signifcant legisliation passed in the last 40 years regarding education, labor, health, education and civil rights he was either a part of or the driving force behind it.

[Gvac]

Term limits.

Term limits.

Term limits.

Enough of senile old coots serving until they drop dead.

[A.J.]

Term limits.

Term limits.

Term limits.

Enough of senile old coots serving until they drop dead.

He'll outlive us all.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01156f9bd128970c-500wi

[TheMojoPin]

Term limits.

Term limits.

Term limits.

Enough of senile old coots serving until they drop dead.

Using Kennedy as your main argument for this just might be the dumbest thing you've posted on here, and you basically post nothing but dumb things, so this is REALLY dumb.

[zildjian361]

JC let him rip

[epo]

Using Kennedy as your main argument for this just might be the dumbest thing you've posted on here, and you basically post nothing but dumb things, so this is REALLY dumb.

I swear to God he could start a political party for the slightly retarded.

[Gvac]

Using Kennedy as your main argument for this just might be the dumbest thing you've posted on here, and you basically post nothing but dumb things, so this is REALLY dumb.

I swear to God he could start a political party for the slightly retarded.

I've reported you both for making personal attacks.

I was going to report that bloated, senile elitist but thankfully he had enough sense to finally die.

[TheMojoPin]

I was going to report that bloated, senile elitist but thankfully he had enough sense to finally die.

You leave Mikeyboy out of this.

[Gvac]

You leave Mikeyboy out of this.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

God damn it, I love you.

You miserable bastard.

Welcome back.

How was your vacation?

[TheMojoPin]

My upper half looks like a bronzed Adonis.

But my legs look like a couple of boiled lobsters.

[Ted Kennedy]

I've reported you both for making personal attacks.

I was going to report that bloated, senile elitist but thankfully he had enough sense to finally die.

Now who's making personal attacks?

[HBox]

No matter your political leanings this should make you wish Teddy was still alive. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4440905)

[keithy_19]

No matter your political leanings this should make you wish Teddy was still alive. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4440905)

:glurps:
I miss Ted...

[SonOfSmeagol]

The legislature in MA changed the laws to call for a special election instead of letting the Governor appoint a possible replacement for Kerry, because the Governor was Republican Romney. Curiously, the previous law had been in effect for a long long time and had in fact allowed Kennedy himself to be appointed in the 60s! Now, with Kennedy gone they want to possibly change it back to allow an interim Senate appointment for the Fall, by the Governor, until the special election. The Governor is now a Democrat. How convenient is that?

Why not just pass a law that if the Governor of MA is a Democrat then he/she can appoint, and if he/she is a Republican then only have a special election? So much simpler, right to the point, and would clearly meet the desire of this MA legislature so full of lofty ideals. If you live in MA and allow this law to change, at this time and in these circumstances, then you really are a sucker – no matter what side you are on.

[A.J.]

No matter your political leanings this should make you wish Teddy was still alive. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4440905)

Only if Teddy could lead the Sox to a World Series Championship.

[JimBeam]

Title IX, Americans with Disabilities Act, State Children's Health Insurance Program, HIPPA, Family Leave Act, played a big role in getting the voting age down to 18, No Child Left Behind. Just off the top of my head.

But how much did he do to get these things passed ?

Did he get Republicans or Southern Democrats to vote for things by compromising ?

Or was his name one of a few that proposed the bill that was eventually passed due to a Democratic majority ?

I will confess ignorance to the specifics on any and all of the ones you mentioned but was he the driving force and reason that these laws/programs were instituted ?

And are any, even the sum total of them, important enough for non-partisan people to put aside the idea that he may very well have allowed a woman to die ?

Surely he was also apart of some bills/programs that had negative consequences no ?

So in the end does it all balance out that this guy was as great as people are making him out to be ?

That's a question to people who know his career better than I and actually have an informed opinion.

[HBox]

But how much did he do to get these things passed ?

Did he get Republicans or Southern Democrats to vote for things by compromising ?

Or was his name one of a few that proposed the bill that was eventually passed due to a Democratic majority ?

I will confess ignorance to the specifics on any and all of the ones you mentioned but was he the driving force and reason that these laws/programs were instituted ?

And are any, even the sum total of them, important enough for non-partisan people to put aside the idea that he may very well have allowed a woman to die ?

Surely he was also apart of some bills/programs that had negative consequences no ?

So in the end does it all balance out that this guy was as great as people are making him out to be ?

That's a question to people who know his career better than I and actually have an informed opinion.

Besides the voting age thing he was the primary driving force behind all of those issues. Whether or not that makes up for the accident is up to each person to decide. But looking at only his legislative career there are not many people in the history of this country who measure up.

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But how much did he do to get these things passed ?

Did he get Republicans or Southern Democrats to vote for things by compromising ?

Or was his name one of a few that proposed the bill that was eventually passed due to a Democratic majority ?

I will confess ignorance to the specifics on any and all of the ones you mentioned but was he the driving force and reason that these laws/programs were instituted ?

And are any, even the sum total of them, important enough for non-partisan people to put aside the idea that he may very well have allowed a woman to die ?

Surely he was also apart of some bills/programs that had negative consequences no ?

So in the end does it all balance out that this guy was as great as people are making him out to be ?

That's a question to people who know his career better than I and actually have an informed opinion.

Not to be a dick, but it's incredibly easy to read up on the history and analysis of Kennedy's legislative history. It would be one thing if you were asking some very specific or difficult questions but you're asking for really basic stuff that's easily found. If you're genuinely curious I reccomend doing the very quick and simple searches to look into this and judge for yourself. Nobody is saying he was perfect as a legislator or that what he accomplished somehow cancels out his mistakes and faults; just that it's incredibly hard to ignore what he accomplished and backed and pushed through the Senate that was important and significant.