Great move, Fezzy.

[Hepcat22]

You are a good man.

[hammersavage]

Class from the Big Cat. I hope it is 100% genuine and we can move into the next phase of the show and the board being positive and fun.

[spoon]

I was mad at you too fez, can you buy me an lcd tv?

[boosterp]

Fez is the bestest.

[mikeyboy]

Very generous olive branch, Fezzie!

[drjoek]

X 11



(for disneyspy)

[disneyspy]

X 11



(for disneyspy)

there havent even been 10 posts!!!

[disneyspy]

oh and fez,you can come visit me on your vacation now,way to go biggin

[lleeder]

I was mad at you too fez, can you buy me an lcd tv?

childcare would be a television a month.

Very generous offer Fez. I recently started working nights to avoid paying for childcare 330 a week was crippling to me.

[underdog]

Way to go Fezzie!

[spoon]

childcare would be a television a month.

Very generous offer Fez. I recently started working nights to avoid paying for childcare 330 a week was crippling to me.

i want a good one

sony 52" xbr 240 hz

[TripleSkeet]

Ive been very supportive of Dave in all this since it started and I have to say this was one of the most generous gestures Ive ever seen.

Bravo Fez. Youre a stand up guy.

[lleeder]

i want a good one

sony 52" xbr 240 hz

ok then thats a sony every month and a half.

[moochcassidy]

I was touched by the gift... A two-year-old kid receives what at today's prices is a $50 piece of veal?.

It was a really thoughtful gesture by Fez. I hope they can put all this behind them.

[WampusCrandle]

ok, whats happened?

[spoon]

ok then thats a sony every month and a half.

I'm fine with that...and a softball field you prick.

[vamessenger]

The gesture is nice. The only problem I have with it is that he said he is doing it so Dave can get less stressed. I took it as Fez implying that the whole recent situation was caused by Dave. I still don't get what paying for daycare is going to do for Fez thinking that ppl are out to get him and making the work environment a better place. Dave had a great suggestion that got blown off. Sit and talk (I would hope off the air) about what they have said to each other and work it out...like adults. Throwing money at a situation isn't going to solve anything.

[Rob I]

So happy this is over. Fez you are the classiest man I know :clap::thumbup:

[disneyspy]

ok, whats happened?

fez said he'd take care of the mac's daycare til their back on their feet,the stupid fight is over,thank god

[hammersavage]

ok, whats happened?

Whatley showed graciousness today. Whooooo

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=104&pictureid=1149

[hammersavage]

Fez said he's gonna show up at that daycare and make it rain. Dollar dollar bills y'all

http://www.somerik.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kenny_powers01.png

[WampusCrandle]

Whatley showed graciousness today. Whooooo

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=104&pictureid=1149

fez whatley?

[mikeyboy]

The gesture is nice. The only problem I have with it is that he said he is doing it so Dave can get less stressed. I took it as Fez implying that the whole recent situation was caused by Dave. I still don't get what paying for daycare is going to do for Fez thinking that ppl are out to get him and making the work environment a better place. Dave had a great suggestion that got blown off. Sit and talk (I would hope off the air) about what they have said to each other and work it out...like adults. Throwing money at a situation isn't going to solve anything.

I'm not so cynical. I think Fez recognizes that stress weighs heavily on Dave's life, and I took the offer as an olive branch to take some of that stress away. I hope it all goes positively from here.

[suzymilf47]

Fez is always the first person on the show to try to make people happy, but I think in this case Dave will end up hurting Fez and saying nasty things about him anyways.:huh::huh::unsure:

[CanadianDave]

I for one will no longer be bashing fez-- this gesture proves he does not want Dave off the show and that's what I was pissed about--- long live r&f

[vamessenger]

I'm not so cynical. I think Fez recognizes that stress weighs heavily on Dave's life, and I took the offer as an olive branch to take some of that stress away. I hope it all goes positively from here.

Oh...I hope it goes well. I just don't see where it solves the original problem.

[MustyHatchetwound]

I do want to say that I called in and Dave thought I was 'shitting' on him over this...I wasn't I was trying to make these points!

1. Casey is a new mother and young.....she has no family around for support just yours and you! This would be huge to relieve some burden of her being stuck at home looking at the same 4 walls while you travel the town (even if it is just to work).

2. Think about what Ron said, you could move back into the city closer to work, 'If' Casey got a job making a minimum $300 a week you are going to get 85%+ of it as EXTRA income...which equals less to fight over = happier Dave and Casey.

3. To make all of this work as a positive Dave you must grow up, look at your kids and wife and understand that it is all about them now....not dvd's, not action hero's, not booze (well ok maybe a little booze) and mostly not you! Get counseling for your finanacial issues or ask two of the best friends you have...Ronnie or Fez how to get your financial life in line.


Not shitting on you, advice is free, everything else will cost you!

[ShowerBench]

The only thing we know is that this was a gesture of kindness and good will on Fez's part.

If, when, and how it is or isn't ultimately implemented isn't important. That's up to Dave and Casey. Nobody obligated them in any way, or attached any strings.

Dave accepted the offer as it was intended, and was appreciative.

I have no doubt the offer alone will improve the relationship and dynamic between Fez and Dave, two good guys almost every one of us hope to see enjoying themselves on the radio as much as we enjoy listening.

[vamessenger]

I do want to say that I called in and Dave thought I was 'shitting' on him over this...I wasn't I was trying to make these points!

1. Casey is a new mother and young.....she has no family around for support just yours and you! This would be huge to relieve some burden of her being stuck at home looking at the same 4 walls while you travel the town (even if it is just to work).

2. Think about what Ron said, you could move back into the city closer to work, 'If' Casey got a job making a minimum $300 a week you are going to get 85%+ of it as EXTRA income...which equals less to fight over = happier Dave and Casey.

3. To make all of this work as a positive Dave you must grow up, look at your kids and wife and understand that it is all about them now....not dvd's, not action hero's, not booze (well ok maybe a little booze) and mostly not you! Get counseling for your finanacial issues or ask two of the best friends you have...Ronnie or Fez how to get your financial life in line.


Not shitting on you, advice is free, everything else will cost you!

Did Dave ask for your advice?

[MustyHatchetwound]

Did Dave ask for your advice?

Nope, never offered it...Just my opinion

Dave's a big boy he will do what is right, I have faith

[EliSnow]

Did Dave ask for your advice?

He's speaking his opinion just like everyone else here.

[ShowerBench]

Oh...I hope it goes well. I just don't see where it solves the original problem.

Aw, looks like someone isn't happy to be faced with the prospect of the continued success of the Ron and FEZ show.

[vamessenger]

Aw, looks like someone isn't happy to be faced with the prospect of the continued success of the Ron and FEZ show.

What are you talking about? I've never wanted the show to fail. I don't see where giving money (in the form or daycare) solves the mental issues Fez has and the strife between him and Dave.

[paulisded]

Aw, looks like someone isn't happy to be faced with the prospect of the continued success of the Ron and FEZ show.

Give Fez his money back so he can pay for Dave's daycare.

[ShowerBench]

I don't see where giving money (in the form or daycare) solves the mental issues Fez has and the strife between him and Dave.

Nah, course you don't.

[ShowerBench]

Give Fez his money back so he can pay for Dave's daycare.

You're peculiar and make little sense.

[red_red_red]

Give Fez his money back so he can pay for Dave's daycare.
:laugh: #1 fan did not comprehend...priceless!

[vamessenger]

Nah, course you don't.

Ok, fanboy, tell me how giving daycare fixes Fez's mental problems. I would think that going to 4 Winds (like Ron suggested today) would help that problem more. Once Fez gets his mind straight then the work environment will get better.

[ShowerBench]

:laugh: #1 fan did not comprehend...priceless!

I have trouble believing anyone can sink below a certain level of unfunny or unclever, so sometimes the meaning of comments doesn't register. Dense that way I guess. All apologies.

[ShowerBench]

Ok, fanboy, tell me how giving daycare fixes Fez's mental problems. I would think that going to 4 Winds (like Ron suggested today) would help that problem more. Once Fez gets his mind straight then the work environment will get better.

Fez's emotional issues aren't a fundamental cause of the problems.

Consider what is behind the gesture and acceptance of it (accepting that it was offered - it's not important to what extent the offer of help is ultimately is accepted) what it does in terms of mitigating the underlying resentments on the part of both parties.

It represents culpability, appreciation, good will, intentions to do better by each other in the future. It doesn't matter if one penny ever changes hands so it's not about the money or daycare.

[mikeyboy]

Oh...I hope it goes well. I just don't see where it solves the original problem.

I don't think it does. I think Dave and Fez still have some things they both need to work through, but the offer by Fez and appreciation for the offer from Dave signal a willingness on both of their parts to do just that. This whole conflict has been a tremendous stress on Fez, Dave, the show, and (to a lesser extent) the listeners. I'm glad for any kind of signal that we are moving past it.

[mikeyboy]

Fez's emotional issues aren't a fundamental cause of the problems.

Consider what is behind the gesture and acceptance of it (accepting that it was offered - it's not important to what extent the offer of help is ultimately is accepted) what it does in terms of mitigating the underlying resentments on the part of both parties.

It represents culpability, appreciation, good will, intentions to do better by each other in the future. It doesn't matter if one penny ever changes hands so it's not about the money or daycare.

This isn't directed just at you, but maybe, just maybe can we move past the finger pointing as to who is at fault? Fez and Dave are willing to put this behind them. Can't we?

[silera]

The fact that Fez parted with his money means one of two things-

- he's ready to be friends again with Dave

or

- he's gone batshit insane

Fingers crossed!




(This is truly one of the sweetest gestures I've ever seen. Very thoughtful.)

[Sudsy Mug Saloon]

Fez, great move! Love when you said I'll pay daycare so Casey gets a job. Give her less time to start crap!

[Yosammity]

God bless Fez Marie Whatley, a true gentleman.

[vamessenger]

Fez's emotional issues aren't a fundamental cause of the problems.

Consider what is behind the gesture and acceptance of it (accepting that it was offered - it's not important to what extent the offer of help is ultimately is accepted) what it does in terms of mitigating the underlying resentments on the part of both parties.

It represents culpability, appreciation, good will, intentions to do better by each other in the future. It doesn't matter if one penny ever changes hands so it's not about the money or daycare.

This is the part I don't see. Fez said he is doing this because Dave is stressed with his family issues. He never once said that he has been a lunatic and has been causing a lot of this stress for Dave, as well as himself.

[realmenhatelife]

I was impressed with Fez's gesture. At first I didn't really think it was relevant to the fight, and then when Fez laid out his logic not only did I agree with him, but realized it was very thoughtful in the truest sense of the word. Good for you, Fez.

[silera]

Just want to add, having been in need, it takes a big guy with a lot of humility to accept the offer. Dave is being very mature.

As for Casey getting a job etc., that's really up to her. That's a really personal decision. I know Pat worked nights and I did days just so we wouldn't have to put collin in daycare. It's not just the money. I'd hate to see anyone take this opportunity to once again poke their nose into someone's off limit decisions to judge or make unneccesarily negative assumptions.

It's a new day ppl. Casey's reign of power is over!

[mikeyboy]

Just want to add, having been in need, it takes a big guy with a lot of humility to accept the offer. Dave is being very mature.

As for Casey getting a job etc., that's really up to her. That's a really personal decision. I know Pat worked nights and I did days just so we wouldn't have to put collin in daycare. It's not just the money. I'd hate to see anyone take this opportunity to once again poke their nose into someone's off limit decisions to judge or make unneccesarily negative assumptions.

It's a new day ppl. Casey's reign of power is over!

MafiaLife Chris called you dumb.

[vamessenger]

MafiaLife Chris called you dumb.

lolz

[dino_electropolis]

As the Iron Shiek said on the OnA replay today:

"Money talks, Bullshit talks."

[PD]

Oh...I hope it goes well..

Fez did what Fez thought would help. I hope it all goes well.





and we never again hear about it.

[vamessenger]

and we never again hear about it.

QFT

[ShowerBench]

This isn't directed just at you, but maybe, just maybe can we move past the finger pointing as to who is at fault? Fez and Dave are willing to put this behind them. Can't we?

I'll do my part.

You're tops and what you did for both these guys is no small thing either.

As bad as this thing got, none of the relationships involved ever seemed irreversible or irretrievable including Fez/Dave, Fez/Casey or ronfez.net as official unofficial website of Ron and Fez.

[Landblast]

For Fez to see that far beyond the handshake and a sincere apology is a testament to who he really must be. I also hope in time Dave and Casey are able to move back near the city.

[ShowerBench]

The fact that Fez parted with his money means one of two things-

- he's ready to be friends again with Dave

or

- he's gone batshit insane

Fingers crossed!




(This is truly one of the sweetest gestures I've ever seen. Very thoughtful.)

:lol:

Didn't even consider how much Fez's relationship with money adds to the magnanimity of this gesture

[ShowerBench]

As for Casey getting a job etc., that's really up to her. That's a really personal decision. I know Pat worked nights and I did days just so we wouldn't have to put collin in daycare. It's not just the money. I'd hate to see anyone take this opportunity to once again poke their nose into someone's off limit decisions to judge or make unneccesarily negative assumptions.

:thumbup:

[Landblast]

:lol:

Didn't even consider how much Fez's relationship with money adds to the magnanimity of this gesture

it was funny today Ron said Fez's money probably isn't even the same size as todays money.

[ShowerBench]

it was funny today Ron said Fez's money probably isn't even the same size as todays money.

This is such a fragile peace, what if it's confederate money? :ohmy:

[underdog]

This isn't directed just at you, but maybe, just maybe can we move past the finger pointing as to who is at fault? Fez and Dave are willing to put this behind them. Can't we?

But he'd have nothing else.

[Contra]

Great ending

[ShowerBench]

But he'd have nothing else.

This is a day of celebration. Why aren't you happy?

[underdog]

This is a day of celebration. Why aren't you happy?

I'm happy. This is my happy face.

[ShowerBench]

I'm happy. This is my happy face.

:thumbup:

[spoon]

MafiaLife Chris called you dumb.

yes, yes he did

[mikeyboy]

But he'd have nothing else.

Come on now....

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/990000/990031_4a2f_625x1000.jpg

[underdog]

Come on now....

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/990000/990031_4a2f_625x1000.jpg

Put an axe in an ant hill? What kind of metaphor is that?

[~Katja~]

Fez, great move! Love when you said I'll pay daycare so Casey gets a job. Give her less time to start crap!
cause taking care of 2 infants gives ya soooooooo much time to start shit

Come on now....

http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/990000/990031_4a2f_625x1000.jpg

stick a hatched in a pile of dirt?







who is the dirt and who is the hatched?

[silera]

Katja is so foreign at times it's adoreable.

Bury the hatchet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_the_hatchet

[underdog]

Katja is so foreign at times it's adoreable.

Bury the hatchet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_the_hatchet

Thanks for clarifying, Katja.

[~Katja~]

Katja is so foreign at times it's adoreable.

Bury the hatchet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_the_hatchet
oh I misspelled hatchet... damn me

[PD]

oh I misspelled hatchet... damn me
Millie?

[~Katja~]

Thanks for clarifying, Katja.
:laugh:

[~Katja~]

Katja is so foreign at times it's adoreable.

Bury the hatchet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_the_hatchet

also did you know Chris called you dumb?










:)

[ShowerBench]

Put an axe in an ant hill? What kind of metaphor is that?

It's obviously a reference to the old and apropos adage "stick a hatchet in a pile of dirt shaped like a face with grass hair, and the hatchet becomes the nose"

[Gvac]

I was floored when I heard Fezzie make that offer to Dave today. It was one of the most magnanimous gestures I'd ever heard in my entire life.

I don't blame Dave for being flabbergasted; it is literally a life changing offer, not only for him, but for his wife and children as well.

I hope it works out for the best for all parties involved.

[lleeder]

I bet you dropped a bumper on a hasidic jew you were so shocked.

[TooLowBrow]

I was floored when I heard Fezzie make that offer to Dave today. It was one of the most magnanimous gestures I'd ever heard in my entire life.

I don't blame Dave for being flabbergasted; it is literally a life changing offer, not only for him, but for his wife and children as well.

I hope it works out for the best for all parties involved.

2 more kids raised by the system instead of by mom:down:

[mikeyboy]

2 more kids raised by the system instead of by mom:down:

I don't think daycare is "the system".

Plus, don't judge. As a parent, you do whatever it takes to make sure your kids are provided for.

[Furtherman]

2 more kids raised by the system instead of by mom:down:

Let's keep this thread going on the generous offer that was bestowed by Fez today.

When is the last time you heard of such a gift?

[lleeder]

I don't think daycare is "the system".

Plus, don't judge. As a parent, you do whatever it takes to make sure your kids are provided for.

plus they could just pocket the cash and she still stays home. thats how i'd handle it.
:devil2:

[silera]

Can we just make Mafia Life Chris Called me dumb an admin quote and get it over with so you nerds can laugh at me forever?

[lleeder]

Let's keep this thread going on the generous offer that was bestowed by Fez today.

When is the last time you heard of such a gift?

its been awhile

http://www.witiger.com/ecommerce/trojanhorse.jpg

[silera]

They obviously don't use trojans lleeder.

WHO'S DUMB NOW????????

[lleeder]

They obviously don't use trojans lleeder.

WHO'S DUMB NOW????????

I wish Chris was here to tell you.

[~Katja~]

2 more kids raised by the system instead of by mom:down:
honestly, being home with my kid for the past almost 3 months I can tell ya that he was better taken care of in daycare, more activities stimulation, friendship, learning, discipline... it's not secret that most kids will behave and learn well around teachers and caregivers while trying to get away with things at home.
We try to keep it structured and learn and all, but especially if you have two with different needs it already gets even harder.

[~Katja~]

Can we just make Mafia Life Chris Called me dumb an admin quote and get it over with so you nerds can laugh at me forever?


that would require an admin to be signed on

[lleeder]

honestly, being home with my kid for the past almost 3 months I can tell ya that he was better taken care of in daycare, more activities stimulation, friendship, learning, discipline... it's not secret that most kids will behave and learn well around teachers and caregivers while trying to get away with things at home.
We try to keep it structured and learn and all, but especially if you have two with different needs it already gets even harder.

i disagree...hold on let me take this bottle out of my daughters mouth so i can finish posting

[ShowerBench]

its been awhile

http://www.witiger.com/ecommerce/trojanhorse.jpg

oh crap :lol:

[Brad_Rush]

Very classy Fez

[underdog]

honestly, being home with my kid for the past almost 3 months I can tell ya that he was better taken care of in daycare, more activities stimulation, friendship, learning, discipline...

Less alcoholism, too.

[EliSnow]

its been awhile

http://www.witiger.com/ecommerce/trojanhorse.jpg

That was a great joke when I told it in the listening thread.

[Rockvillejoe]

my sincere, objective take. (no hidden agendas here):

1) why did dave hesitate? this was an enormously generous overture. if for no other reason, you would have thought dave would have been immediately appreciative instead of coy. his excuse that he was overwhelmed by such an offer just does not ring true.

2)did dave have to wait to get a text from the "boss" before he accepted these terms?
or was dave really moved and realized that this was way too much of an offer for him to accept?

3) what did fez do over the past 3 months that he would put himself out 24 k a year.?thats $48,000 earnings before taxes? i was not listening. it must have been pretty bad. dave should refuse the money and only agree to bury the hatchet if fez is willing to sit down and talk it out. then dave is being a stand up guy. to take the money is wrong. we all have bills and kids. if RB and FW lobby the sirius suits that dave deserves more money, that is one thing, but to hold up fez is unconscounable.

3) only vamessenger has rightly stated that throwing money at a problem does not solve anything. this is true. they need to sit down and deal with this issue by issue. this overture although noble has a low success probablity. this is not pessimism.

4) do dave and his wife risk moving into more expensive digs only to possibly lose the $ if and when fez and dave re-open their fued? that is worrisome.

5) mikeyboy does make a point that it is a great attempt for conciliation, but with dave, i believe he will regard fez's sincere offer simply as appeasement. the real question to me is whether the 2,000 a month is enough leverage for dave to sit on his hands.

6) you may think i'm anti-dave. not true. but i call them the way i see them. dave's reaction was troubling, his attitude has been consistently unyeilding to burying the hatchet, but like Mikeyboy, I hope it works. i just don't trust dave. never have. he is funny, does bring a lot to the table, but he is shrewd, ambitious, and puts his interests first. he will make himself look good at the xpense of anyone and everyone short of ronnie b. i worked with guys like that. i avoided them like cancer. but fez ain't got no where else to go.

7) fez has a rep for being cheap. for him to dig that deep into his wallet illustrates how much he wants peace and acceptance from dave. fez can sleep well and know that he tried his best. but fez, you and dave need to talk.

8) or....., this was alll another chapter of the "dave vs. fez" fictional arc, and we are in for more drama and hijinx when they return from their respective vacations.

before the dave supporters get all jiggy with this, bring facts not knives to the forum. disabuse me of my take. but do it intelliegently. do dave right by your repsonse.

[Old Gravy Leg]

honestly, being home with my kid for the past almost 3 months I can tell ya that he was better taken care of in daycare, more activities stimulation, friendship, learning, discipline... it's not secret that most kids will behave and learn well around teachers and caregivers while trying to get away with things at home.
We try to keep it structured and learn and all, but especially if you have two with different needs it already gets even harder.

if the Kids are older than his I would agree with this statement...

[britneypablo]

Katja is so foreign at times it's adoreable.
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<font color="deeppink"> im so glad i didnt miss that....reason number 5029375347 that in madly in love with katja

[EliSnow]

my sincere, objective take. (no hidden agendas here):

1) why did dave hesitate? this was an enormously generous overture. if for no other reason, you would have thought dave would have been immediately appreciative instead of coy. his excuse that he was overwhelmed by such an offer just does not ring true.

2)did dave have to wait to get a text from the "boss" before he accepted these terms?
or was dave really moved and realized that this was way too much of an offer for him to accept?

3) what did fez do over the past 3 months that he would put himself out 24 k a year.?thats $48,000 earnings before taxes? i was not listening. it must have been pretty bad. dave should refuse the money and only agree to bury the hatchet if fez is willing to sit down and talk it out. then dave is being a stand up guy. to take the money is wrong. we all have bills and kids. if RB and FW lobby the sirius suits that dave deserves more money, that is one thing, but to hold up fez is unconscounable.

3) only vamessenger has rightly stated that throwing money at a problem does not solve anything. this is true. they need to sit down and deal with this issue by issue. this overture although noble has a low success probablity. this is not pessimism.

4) do dave and his wife risk moving into more expensive digs only to possibly lose the $ if and when fez and dave re-open their fued? that is worrisome.

5) mikeyboy does make a point that it is a great attempt for conciliation, but with dave, i believe he will regard fez's sincere offer simply as appeasement. the real question to me is whether the 2,000 a month is enough leverage for dave to sit on his hands.

6) you may think i'm anti-dave. not true. but i call them the way i see them. dave's reaction was troubling, his attitude has been consistently unyeilding to burying the hatchet, but like Mikeyboy, I hope it works. i just don't trust dave. never have. he is funny, does bring a lot to the table, but he is shrewd, ambitious, and puts his interests first. he will make himself look good at the xpense of anyone and everyone short of ronnie b. i worked with guys like that. i avoided them like cancer. but fez ain't got no where else to go.

7) fez has a rep for being cheap. for him to dig that deep into his wallet illustrates how much he wants peace and acceptance from dave. fez can sleep well and know that he tried his best. but fez, you and dave need to talk.

8) or....., this was alll another chapter of the "dave vs. fez" fictional arc, and we are in for more drama and hijinx when they return from their respective vacations.

before the dave supporters get all jiggy with this, bring facts not knives to the forum. disabuse me of my take. but do it intelliegently. do dave right by your repsonse.


If the offer had been made to me, I wouldn't have said yes until I discussed it with my wife. She has equal say in how our kids are raised.

[Old Gravy Leg]

If Dave declined on air Fez would not have taken it well. Dave was in a no win situation.

[~Katja~]

if the Kids are older than his I would agree with this statement...
I wasn't talking for their case, just in general. It was incredibly hard to put my kid in daycare and took me a longer time to adjust than it took him.

[Rockvillejoe]

If Dave declined on air Fez would not have taken it well. Dave was in a no win situation.

I think elisnow said it best:

"If the offer had been made to me, I wouldn't have said yes until I discussed it with my wife. She has equal say in how our kids are raised."

that is the appropriate response, but ultimately, you just don't take the money. you accept the gesture as just that. it illustrates fez's sincere overture of moving on and becoming a team again.

it's blood money. it will actually excaserbate the problems, not eliminate them.

just listening to dave over the years, it is obvious to me he was raised in a moral, middle upper class home. i truly believe after serious thought, he will come to this conclusion. the wild card is his wife who i have no idea who she is or what she is like. she seems to have significant influence on him, as most wives do. so she is the wild card.

[EliSnow]

Bow, the whole Fez is cheap thing is not completely accurate. We have heard repeatedly that he helps financially with his family.

[~Katja~]

I think it would have been a much greater offer if Dave and Casey had been talking about putting the kids in daycare and just couldn't afford it. To offer it the way it was done is almost trying to dictate how they should live their live and go about raising their kids.
Not just the suggestions to put them in daycare, for Casey to get a job but also to move back to Brooklyn.

For people without kids it may seem like a perfect gift and they don't understand the hesitation on Dave's side... but having a family means so much more, you don't just make such life changing decisions at gunpoint.

[TooLowBrow]

I think it would have been a much greater offer if Dave and Casey had been talking about putting the kids in daycare and just couldn't afford it. To offer it the way it was done is almost trying to dictate how they should live their live and go about raising their kids.
Not just the suggestions to put them in daycare, for Casey to get a job but also to move back to Brooklyn.

For people without kids it may seem like a perfect gift and they don't understand the hesitation on Dave's side... but having a family means so much more, you don't just make such life changing decisions at gunpoint.

I wasn't talking for their case, just in general. It was incredibly hard to put my kid in daycare and took me a longer time to adjust than it took him.

smart
:smile:

[Lady Resin]

My sister, at the age of 46, her and her husband wanted a baby. I think the idea of the kids going to day care is a good idea. My sister had to put Christopher in to day care when he was 3 months old. She HAD to go back to work. When my BiL was laid off. She kept him home. He didn't want to be home. He wanted to be with his lil' buddays. He's almost 2 1/2 yrs old and he loves day care. I just hope if Casey wants to return to work, she be able to find something. It's tough out there right now. That really was a nice gesture from Fez.

[silera]

It's a tough call. You don't want to insult the generous offer. Plus, honestly you also have to recognize that Fez isn't really familiar with the struggle as to whether or not to go back to work. He doesn't have kids. From every interaction I have had with Fez, I can only come to the conclusion that this was from the heart. Ron and Fez have been nothing but supportive of Pat and Me personally for years now. I know that's inside and not everyone gets to see Fez not be "radio Fez". Either way, many parents and married people are easily able to filter it through how they'd have to react- you do what's best for you and your family. I guess my main point is that regardless of how it plays out, I can't shit on Fez for trying and I wouldn't shit on Dave and Casey for any decision they made.

On another note, when Casey and Dave raised all that money for our kids to have Christmas the first year Pat was sick, it hurt my pride to take it, but it also touched my heart that people cared enough. When Ant paid for a month's worth of a prescription that our insurance wouldn't approve, it killed me to take it but it held us over until the situation was resolved and I how can I possibly ever truly thank Ant for it? Both those situations led to really hurtful things said about Pat and myself. Luckily, I'm not on the radio everyday, nor have we ever had any negative "real life" repercussions beyond the self induced stress of justifying ourselves to anyone.

I can see Dave balking at it not just because of pride but because there are so many just waiting to throw accusations out and escalate a nice thing into a taunt or an insult.

[EliSnow]

I think it would have been a much greater offer if Dave and Casey had been talking about putting the kids in daycare and just couldn't afford it. To offer it the way it was done is almost trying to dictate how they should live their live and go about raising their kids.
Not just the suggestions to put them in daycare, for Casey to get a job but also to move back to Brooklyn.

I had similar thoughts, but then I remembered how much ESD talked about liking the move to Brooklyn with Casey and how he does not like the 2 hour commute now.

While I didn't hear the conversation today, Fez could have been thinking the same thing and suggested that ESD makes the move, because he thought that's what ESD and Casey want.

[Furtherman]

This is a situation that only people with children can relate with and understand.

[Lady Resin]

I had similar thoughts, but then I remembered how much ESD talked about liking the move to Brooklyn with Casey and how he does not like the 2 hour commute.

While I didn't hear the conversation today, Fez could have been thinking the same thing and suggested that ESD makes the move, because he thought that's what ESD and Casey want.

I live in Essex Cty. My husband use to take the bus into NYC. It was, at the most, a 40 minute commute. But, if they moved around this area or Bergen or Husdon cty, the rent will be more expensive.

[just_another_moe]

it was a great gesture. I just love this guy

[~Katja~]

It's a tough call. You don't want to insult the generous offer. Plus, honestly you also have to recognize that Fez isn't really familiar with the struggle as to whether or not to go back to work. He doesn't have kids. From every interaction I have had with Fez, I can only come to the conclusion that this was from the heart. Ron and Fez have been nothing but supportive of Pat and Me personally for years now. I know that's inside and not everyone gets to see Fez not be "radio Fez". Either way, many parents and married people are easily able to filter it through how they'd have to react- you do what's best for you and your family. I guess my main point is that regardless of how it plays out, I can't shit on Fez for trying and I wouldn't shit on Dave and Casey for any decision they made.

On another note, when Casey and Dave raised all that money for our kids to have Christmas the first year Pat was sick, it hurt my pride to take it, but it also touched my heart that people cared enough. When Ant paid for a month's worth of a prescription that our insurance wouldn't approve, it killed me to take it but it held us over until the situation was resolved and I how can I possibly ever truly thank Ant for it? Both those situations led to really hurtful things said about Pat and myself. Luckily, I'm not on the radio everyday, nor have we ever had any negative "real life" repercussions beyond the self induced stress of justifying ourselves to anyone.

I can see Dave balking at it not just because of pride but because there are so many just waiting to throw accusations out and escalate a nice thing into a taunt or an insult.

I agree and I hope the decision will not be discussed on air. Casey has done a lot lately to take herself and the kids off the internet and show and I would hate for this to be more exploited on the show, it causes unwanted hate and bashing from listeners that think they know them (that includes Fez) and what's best for them and think they have a right to invade and judge either party.

[Old Gravy Leg]

I agree and I hope the decision will not be discussed on air. Casey has done a lot lately to take herself and the kids off the internet and show and I would hate for this to be more exploited on the show, it causes unwanted hate and bashing from listeners that think they know them (that includes Fez) and what's best for them and think they have a right to invade and judge either party.

I agree keep it off the air. But whether or not listeners "know them" it is a call in show that solicits opinions from it's listeners, so it's the show and those on it that are perpetuating the problem by continuing the talk about it.

[STC-Dub]

Nice offer FezFez.

[teamfez]

love tha fez i got ur back buddy :clap:

[spadanko]

I can totally see why Dave hesitated at first. this is a big decision and something that needs to be discussed with his family. Also, as a man, Dave feels he should be the one to provide for his family. You can tell Dave truly appreciated the gesture, but him not jumping up and down at the offer is understandable. plus who knows if they want to put the kids in day care? My guess is that dave has discussed that with fez at one point. Maybe that is where fez got the idea. but again, pure speculation.

all in all, very generous and thoughtful of fez

[Farmer Dave]

The gesture is nice. The only problem I have with it is that he said he is doing it so Dave can get less stressed. I took it as Fez implying that the whole recent situation was caused by Dave. I still don't get what paying for daycare is going to do for Fez thinking that ppl are out to get him and making the work environment a better place. Dave had a great suggestion that got blown off. Sit and talk (I would hope off the air) about what they have said to each other and work it out...like adults. Throwing money at a situation isn't going to solve anything.

Fez, great move! Love when you said I'll pay daycare so Casey gets a job. Give her less time to start crap!
Assumes she has.


2 more kids raised by the system instead of by mom:down:
qft
I think it would have been a much greater offer if Dave and Casey had been talking about putting the kids in daycare and just couldn't afford it. To offer it the way it was done is almost trying to dictate how they should live their live and go about raising their kids.
Not just the suggestions to put them in daycare, for Casey to get a job but also to move back to Brooklyn.

For people without kids it may seem like a perfect gift and they don't understand the hesitation on Dave's side... but having a family means so much more, you don't just make such life changing decisions at gunpoint.

This is a situation that only people with children can relate with and understand.

So Fez has decided Casey can't raise their kids and Jullianna and Stan need to be in daycare and she needs a job. She has one, she's a MOM. Don't project your mother problems on her. Sorry, as a parent that's how i see it.

[Sudsy Mug Saloon]

Dave just go to the 7-11 or the convience store across the street to play mega millions...333 million...Then stop and get a shot of whiskey at the BAR next door

[west milly Tom]

Dave just go to the 7-11 or the convience store across the street to play mega millions...333 million...Then stop and get a shot of whiskey at the BAR next door



I already bought the winning ticket

[~Katja~]

So Fez has decided Casey can't raise their kids and Jullianna and Stan need to be in daycare and she needs a job. She has one, she's a MOM. Don't project your mother problems on her. Sorry, as a parent that's how i see it.


that's an assumption as well. I do believe that he thinks that Casey working would take a lot of financial stress of their backs and help the relationship between them. At the same time I don't think that that is the source of animosity between Dave and Fez at all.

[DolaMight]

I missed the show today, is Fez buying everyone color televisions like oprah buys cars? Very generous.

[TooLowBrow]

that's an assumption as well. I do believe that he thinks that Casey working would take a lot of financial stress of their backs and help the relationship between them. At the same time I don't think that that is the source of animosity between Dave and Fez at all.

:clap::clap::clap:

[knockknock]

It's a very generous offer. Yes, it oversteps some boundaries. It could also be a life changer. In Dave's reaction I heard an understandable desire to simply hear an apology for all the awful things Fez accused Casey of. But Ron said Fez can't understand human emotions and to take the gesture as such an apology.

Fez's popularity didn't take a nosedive because of Dave or Casey, it took a nosedive because a lovable man started saying hateful things. It caused cognitive dissonance in the fans, and hence the message boards went negative on him. There never was a Plan against him.

[codenhead]

Very sweet of Fez. But completely stupid and not well thought out at all. I don't know Casey's education background...but with this economy who can say if she can land a job pay much more than Fez would be shelling out in the first place?

[Recyclerz]

Not only do I think this was an incredibly cool and classy move by Fez but I think it might mark a watershed moment in his fight to overcome his issues as well. I'm not a shrink or anything but a cousin of mine had a similar situation as Fez seems to have - an inability to keep certain past disappointments and current problems in perspective which led him to dwell on them to the exclusion of everything else which just lead to a downward spiral. Up until today I thought Fez was following a similar path downward. What helped my cousin more than anything else was pretty much being forced to do volunteer work for others, which helped restore his self-esteem which in turn got him back to being a functioning human being. Fez's gesture - an empathetic gesture if there ever was one - shows that he's ready to start interacting with the world not as a paranoid "victim" but as a mensch.

Viva La Fez!!!! :clap: :thumbup: :clap:

[Rockvillejoe]

I agree keep it off the air. But whether or not listeners "know them" it is a call in show that solicits opinions from it's listeners, so it's the show and those on it that are perpetuating the problem by continuing the talk about it.

well said. it's their radio personas that are being commented upon. for all i know dave is totally different than his on air persona, as well as fez. i don't see it as a problem perpetuation though. we are just ruminating.

it's an interesting exercise and a thankful diversion from my own personal crock of shit to comment on people i listen to on the radio like i know them.

there are several posters on this thread that apparently have real knowledge of these folks by spending personal time with them. that would freak me out. to me, it would be like actors walking off the movie screen and sitting next to you in the movie theater.

no thanks. keep that imaginary 4th wall up. so it's fun. and if these folks are like their on air personas, then great. if not, great too.

[suzymilf47]

Only a real man would offer what he has and can see past what has been done to him by Dave and Casey. Anyone who makes fun of Fez does not know or care about all the people he has helped. Fez is doing more then most parents would be willing to do for there child!

Well done Fez, well done!:clap:

[~Katja~]

Only a real man would offer what he has and can see past what has been done to him by Dave and Casey. Anyone who makes fun of Fez does not know or care about all the people he has helped. Fez is doing more then most parents would be willing to do for there child!

Well done Fez, well done!:clap:

is it safe to assume that you have no kids?!

[suzymilf47]

I have had kids, never needed much help with them and my husband provided well for us, so whats your point?:furious:

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

that's an assumption as well. I do believe that he thinks that Casey working would take a lot of financial stress of their backs and help the relationship between them. At the same time I don't think that that is the source of animosity between Dave and Fez at all.

Agreed. It doesn't seem to address any of the problems between the two. Besides I would have said no without hesitation simply because I couldn't let my boss have such control over my personal life.

[TooLowBrow]

is it safe to assume that you have no kids?!

everything youve been posting tonight has been exactly what ive been thinking
:wub:

[~Katja~]

I have had kids, never needed much help with them and my husband provided well for us, so whats your point?:furious:
why so angry, if you have kids you KNOW that only you and your husband know what s best for them.

[ToiletCrusher]

What about all those dinners he welched on?

[TooLowBrow]

why so angry, if you have kids you KNOW that only you and your husband know what s best for them.

everyone thinks they KNOW whats best for everyone elses (and their own) kids

usually tho, the decision of how the kids are raised is reserved for only the parents.

thats the only thing that seems odd about the fez thing.

the money is nice, but hes also telling them how he wants the kids raised

and rich or poor, thats only between esd and casey

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

everyone thinks they KNOW whats best for everyone elses (and their own) kids

usually tho, the decision of how the kids are raised is reserved for only the parents.

thats the only thing that seems odd about the fez thing.

the money is nice, but hes also telling them how he wants the kids raised

and rich or poor, thats only between esd and casey

Thank you! That's what I was trying to explain in the Listening Thread. He's deciding what they should do with their children, and at the same time telling Casey what to do. That's where I have the problem with this concept. If he was saying a $1500 a month raise for Dave (from fez's pocket) then that would totally be different. This however does nothing to address the animosity between Dave & Fez.

[TooLowBrow]

Thank you! That's what I was trying to explain in the Listening Thread. He's deciding what they should do with their children, and at the same time telling Casey what to do. That's where I have the problem with this concept. If he was saying a $1500 a month raise for Dave (from fez's pocket) then that would totally be different. This however does nothing to address the animosity between Dave & Fez.

yeah but its still nice and a huge gesture

it can help esd and casey more than anything else right now

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

yeah but its still nice and a huge gesture

it can help esd and casey more than anything else right now

Oh it's nice I won't deny that but it has potential for more bad than good.

[TooLowBrow]

Oh it's nice I won't deny that but it has potential for more bad than good.

no way

fez is buying esd and casey off so his troubles will end

now no one will steal from his checking account or post anything negative

fez looked at the problem and solved it with cash

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

no way

fez is buying esd and casey off so his troubles will end

now no one will steal from his checking account or post anything negative

fez looked at the problem and solved it with cash

Now either you're being sarcastic, or you're assuming that Dave & Casey are actually the cause of those problems for Fezzie.


Of course, never mind. I apologize. I was going to delete the above then not post but I read your post again and felt like an ass. The world should see this. :glurps:

[PD]

Thank you! That's what I was trying to explain in the Listening Thread. He's deciding what they should do with their children, and at the same time telling Casey what to do. That's where I have the problem with this concept. If he was saying a $1500 a month raise for Dave (from fez's pocket) then that would totally be different. This however does nothing to address the animosity between Dave & Fez.
I got it when you said it then; however that's fez being fez.
he doesn't understand why casey may not want for fez to decide that they should put their 3month old kid in daycare.

I think fez means well, but with this- he has no clue.

[TooLowBrow]

Now either you're being sarcastic, or you're assuming that Dave & Casey are actually the cause of those problems for Fezzie.


Of course, never mind. I apologize. I was going to delete the above then not post but I read your post again and felt like an ass. The world should see this. :glurps:

the thing is, fez decided to do something

it will or will not effect the macdonald family

it might be good or bad either way

i hope it all works out for the best for all 5 people involved in this situation

no one elses opinion matters




but what the hell... we like to type

[~Katja~]

yeah but its still nice and a huge gesture

it can help esd and casey more than anything else right now

maybe down the road, just not now. Stan did just get out of surgery, you think he is safe in a daycare? my kid went through multiple ear infections and cox sackie... crazy shit... these days he is immune, but he never had the struggles little Stan had in the first three months of his life

[TooLowBrow]

maybe down the road, just not now. Stan did just get out of surgery, you think he is safe in a daycare? my kid went through multiple ear infections and cox sackie... crazy shit... these days he is immune, but he never had the struggles little Stan had in the first three months of his life

i work at a daycare, i think we start at 6 mos.
even that seems young to me, but i dont have kids myself
but i dont think when fez made the offer he thought of any of the negatives of his plan
i think he just saw it as a way that he could help

its like if someone gave you an ugly sweater
you might look at it and wonder why they would give you something that isnt perfect for you

but, really, that person just wanted to be nice

[kalethan]

The haterade really needs to stop now. Both have agreed to an olive branch that allows each to save face. If, in the future, Fez feels he is getting disrespected, then he needs to take Ron's advice and address it Off-air.
As for Dave, he should be able to back off on the ball-busting a little.

When Fez makes a mistake and Dave cracks a joke, i hope Fez sees it as comic relief for the show.
I personally like it when Dave and Ron interrupt the live-reads. It makes them more enjoyable. Hopefully the sponsors and Fez realize that.

[PD]

i work at a daycare, i think we start at 6 mos.
even that seems young to me, but i dont have kids myself
but i dont think when fez made the offer he thought of any of the negatives of his plan
i think he just saw it as a way that he could help

its like if someone gave you an ugly sweater
you might look at it and wonder why they would give you something that isnt perfect for you

but, really, that person just wanted to be nice
agreed.

[underdog]

I got it when you said it then; however that's fez being fez.
he doesn't understand why casey may not want for fez to decide that they should put their 3month old kid in daycare.

I think fez means well, but with this- he has no clue.

I agree with this 100%.

Fez probably means well with absolutely no harm, but he also probably doesn't realize how this could be viewed as a bad or weird thing. I think this was completely a genuine offer from Fez.

[~Katja~]

i work at a daycare, i think we start at 6 mos.
even that seems young to me, but i dont have kids myself
but i dont think when fez made the offer he thought of any of the negatives of his plan
i think he just saw it as a way that he could help

its like if someone gave you an ugly sweater
you might look at it and wonder why they would give you something that isnt perfect for you

but, really, that person just wanted to be nice
never questioned the intent! it was nice indeed!

[TooLowBrow]

never questioned the intent! it was nice indeed!

i know you didnt. it was.


:smile:

[CanadianDave]

You guys still rattling on about this.. Does not really matter what the gesture was it could have been a bucket of fucking kool aid. The main thing is Fez wants Dave to stay on the show. So who cares what it was. It could end up costing Fez 100grand or so which i think is one hell of an offer, but really as long as the boys stick together who really cares.

[TjM]

You guys still rattling on about this.. Does not really matter what the gesture was it could have been a bucket of fucking kool aid. The main thing is Fez wants Dave to stay on the show. So who cares what it was. It could end up costing Fez 100grand or so which i think is one hell of an offer, but really as long as the boys stick together who really cares.

I agree with the man from the north

[TripleSkeet]

So Fez has decided Casey can't raise their kids and Jullianna and Stan need to be in daycare and she needs a job. She has one, she's a MOM. Don't project your mother problems on her. Sorry, as a parent that's how i see it.

The whole "MOM is a job" thing doesnt fucking fly anymore. Not in todays economy. That was a great line in the 70's when most people could survive in a one income family and a second income was just for more cash and more extravagant luxuries. But today most people need 2 incomes to survive. Especially if they want to own a home. And as much as a "job" as being a mom is, the bottom line is the pay sucks.

I know this is a tough decision for Dave and Casey, and I support whatever they decide. But being someone in a similar situation with children almost the exact same age as Dave and Casey I could tell you that if someone offered to pay for daycare for us it would help out immensely not just for us but for our family members that help with the kids. Because not only does my wife work, but I have to work my day job and juggle 3 night jobs just to make ends meet.

Every parent doesnt have the luxury you may have to let your wife stay home and live off of your job. So lets not fucking judge. K?

[ShowerBench]

The only thing we know is what Dave has talked about on the air - he is struggling financially to the point that he can't get to work some days or is in jeopardy of missing work if a neighbor doesn't happen to be available to help. Then there is the two-hour commute. Financial hell.

Dave has a daytime job and frequent nighttime activities sometimes associated with it, which possibly preclude a second job. One thing that seems clear though is that, without additional income coming from either of them - they are all suffering, with the main breadwinner losing sleep and on the brink of leaving the job he loves.

Given those realities, it's likely Casey would like to get a good job with decent benefits and that would alleviate some of the stress on Dave including enabling them to move closer to the studios, but they can't afford the "start-up" costs there.

Fez recognized this possibility and came up with his generous offer to help them out of those straits. It's entirely appropriate given their employer/friend relationship. The answer to 99% of questions is "money," and that number likely not only includes Dave's agonizing day to day financial struggle but the Dave/Fez problem as well.

[ShowerBench]

You guys still rattling on about this.. Does not really matter what the gesture was it could have been a bucket of fucking kool aid. The main thing is Fez wants Dave to stay on the show. So who cares what it was. It could end up costing Fez 100grand or so which i think is one hell of an offer, but really as long as the boys stick together who really cares.

Agree. This is THE solution to the personal issues, and it closes the book on the retarded idea that Fez feels threatened by Dave and wants him to leave (he said this requires Dave to stay) as well as the the equally retarded idea that Fez remains indebted for needing on-air assistance during recovery from a breakdown and two heart attacks.

Fez is a magnificent human being. But for our purposes as listeners - this gesture offers the best hope we will get what we want, which is both Fez and Dave on our favorite show.

[Mafialife Chris]

MafiaLife Chris called you dumb.

Snitches get stitches, rat, lol

It was a generalized statement that indrectly pointed to her. I love silera!!

On topic, I agree Fez made a real humble and loving move towards friendship with Davey Mac. I hope things work out.

[PatFromMoonachie]

In this shitty economy, Fez made a wonderful, constructive gesture that gives Dave & Casey an option they didn't have 2 days ago. Whether they use it or not, it shows where Fezzie's heart is at! :thumbup:

..I think they also need to communicate better off-air ..you know, bounderies and stuff!

[Small..Balls]

In this shitty economy, Fez made a wonderful, constructive gesture that gives Dave & Casey an option they didn't have 2 days ago. Whether they use it or not, it shows where Fezzie's heart is at! :thumbup:

..I think they also need to communicate better off-air ..you know, bounderies and stuff!


Pat 4 Prez

[helterskeletor]

2 more kids raised by the system instead of by mom:down:

Day care is great for pre-school kids. They meet other kids, learn rudimentary stuff before school officially starts, get stronger immune systems, and don't get as bored. I raised my son for two years at home and then two in daycare and the difference was enormous. He has so many more activities at daycare than we would do at home, and he's meeting other cool little kiddos.

He's not going off to a gulag every day run by a bunch of obama hitlers trying to give poor people health care.

[TooLowBrow]

Day care is great for pre-school kids. They meet other kids, learn rudimentary stuff before school officially starts, get stronger immune systems, and don't get as bored. I raised my son for two years at home and then two in daycare and the difference was enormous. He has so many more activities at daycare than we would do at home, and he's meeting other cool little kiddos.

He's not going off to a gulag every day run by a bunch of obama hitlers trying to give poor people health care.

do you know how old the kids are?

also, did you read this thread, everything youve said has already been said

[RaysFever]

This was a great move by Fez, and out of left field! It was an amazing transformation from his attitude in previous days.

I'm just glad it all worked out before vacation, whether Dave takes the offer or not, hopefully they can try to reconcile the working relationship - and the friendship.

Way to go MikeyBoy, calling in and busting balls about Notre Dame - if that had been on the board, it would have been a locked thread!

[helterskeletor]

do you know how old the kids are?

also, did you read this thread, everything youve said has already been said

not true.

I was hesitant to put my son in daycare at first. But then I actually visited the joint and it was unlike any day care when I grew up. He loved it. And now I'm glad that I'm not some shut-in "i'm special cuz i have kids" coward about my kid getting out there and experiencing the world. It's not an easy decision, but once you have a kid, nothing is.

And yes I know how old Dave's kiddos are, more or less.

Makes me wonder how humanity ever survived living out in the jungles.

You did good Fezzie. Dave's entire family will benefit from this.

[TooLowBrow]

not true.

I was hesitant to put my son in daycare at first. But then I actually visited the joint and it was unlike any day care when I grew up. He loved it. And now I'm glad that I'm not some shut-in "i'm special cuz i have kids" coward about my kid getting out there and experiencing the world. It's not an easy decision, but once you have a kid, nothing is.

And yes I know how old Dave's kiddos are, more or less.

Makes me wonder how humanity ever survived living out in the jungles.

You did good Fezzie. Dave's entire family will benefit from this.

i dont think caseys kidsd have it worse if they had more eyes on them, in a professional setting

but they are still babies, one is only like 4 months old!

[TooLowBrow]

after 2 years of pregnancy

4 months after giving birth

would you want to give your babies to someone else?

get a job selling coffee for 9 hours on your feet for 7.22 an hour?

or would you want to bond with them, love them, and raise them?

are these kids even weaned yet!?!

[Stuft]

after 2 years of pregnancy

4 months after giving birth

would you want to give your babies to someone else?

get a job selling coffee for 9 hours on your feet for 7.22 an hour?

or would you want to bond with them, love them, and raise them?

are these kids even weaned yet!?!

Reality check....

of course you wanna stay home and bond and love and raise them yourself...but if your husband's salary isn't meeting the requirements, you make adjustments - FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR FAMILY.

This post has nothing to do w/ my opinion on Dave and Casey cuz, really, fuck what everyone thinks - they need to do what's best for their family...just wondering when everyone decided they had power to be judge and juror. :help:

[TooLowBrow]

Reality check....

of course you wanna stay home and bond and love and raise them yourself...but if your husband's salary isn't meeting the requirements, you make adjustments - FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR FAMILY.

This post has nothing to do w/ my opinion on Dave and Casey cuz, really, fuck what everyone thinks - they need to do what's best for their family...just wondering when everyone decided they had power to be judge and juror. :help:

im not telling them what to do, im just pointing out that its not a perfect situation, either way

and fez giving them money is not a 'making adjustments', its like winning money in the lottery, its nice, but you cant change your life on it, you have to live on whats real

[Stuft]

im not telling them what to do, im just pointing out that its not a perfect situation, either way

and fez giving them money is not a 'making adjustments', its like winning money in the lottery, its nice, but you cant change your life on it, you have to live on whats real

I'm confused...you can't change your life on an extra 2 grand a week???

[TooLowBrow]

I'm confused...you can't change your life on an extra 2 grand a week???

not if your behind 3k a month

not if it sets you in a life that depends on it, if it might not always be there

[Stuft]

not if it sets you in a life that depends on it, if it might not always be there

It was already said that it wasn't an infinite thing. More like a helping hand, for the time being.

[TooLowBrow]

It was already said that it wasn't an infinite thing. More like a helping hand, for the time being.

there aint no such thing as a free lunch

[glacierfanclub]

I don't post very often, but I just wanted to say how moved I was by Fez's gesture.

Fez, you are the best :) I love hearing you on the show, and I hope you have a relaxing vacation. I mailed you the Tampa Bay Bucs Superbowl Stadium Shot after your heart surgery a few years ago. Hope you enjoyed it. :)

[PapaBear]

there aint no such thing as a free lunch
I was going to buy you lunch, but I changed my mind.

It's a wonderful thing Fez is doing. It won't fix all of the problems in Dave and Casey's life, but it will give them the opportunity to make LOTS of wonderful changes. It opens up a huge number of possibilities for them, no matter how temporary it is. Now it's up to them to take advantage of the possibilities.

Also, though it's a shame the concept of the single bread winner family is almost dead, it's just reality. The single breadwinner family is something that is now reserved for a very lucky few. I would have LOVED to be able to have my kids go to professional day care when they were the age of Dave and Casey's kids. There is absolutely nothing bad about this whole thing, and much good can come from it.

[TooLowBrow]

I was going to buy you lunch, but I changed my mind.

It's a wonderful thing Fez is doing. It won't fix all of the problems in Dave and Casey's life, but it will give them the opportunity to make LOTS of wonderful changes. It opens up a huge number of possibilities for them, no matter how temporary it is. Now it's up to them to take advantage of the possibilities.

Also, though it's a shame the concept of the single bread winner family is almost dead, it's just reality. The single breadwinner family is something that is now reserved for a very lucky few. I would have LOVED to be able to have my kids go to professional day care when they were the age of Dave and Casey's kids. There is absolutely nothing bad about this whole thing, and much good can come from it.

tanstaafl screws me again!





the thing bad that can come of it is if they choose not to accept it.

(which im trying to point out isnt the worst thing ever)

this board would rip itself to pieces, moreso than it has, because of it

theres reasons for them to take it, there are reasons for them to say no

but its up to them

and they havent even made a decision yet and people are taking sides

:sad:





this thread should be locked i guess

[Pedro471]

I do want to say that I called in and Dave thought I was 'shitting' on him over this...I wasn't I was trying to make these points!

1. Casey is a new mother and young.....she has no family around for support just yours and you! This would be huge to relieve some burden of her being stuck at home looking at the same 4 walls while you travel the town (even if it is just to work).

2. Think about what Ron said, you could move back into the city closer to work, 'If' Casey got a job making a minimum $300 a week you are going to get 85%+ of it as EXTRA income...which equals less to fight over = happier Dave and Casey.

3. To make all of this work as a positive Dave you must grow up, look at your kids and wife and understand that it is all about them now....not dvd's, not action hero's, not booze (well ok maybe a little booze) and mostly not you! Get counseling for your finanacial issues or ask two of the best friends you have...Ronnie or Fez how to get your financial life in line.


Not shitting on you, advice is free, everything else will cost you!

Does anyone have the stats on Casey? How old and such? Just wondering.....

[TjM]

Also, though it's a shame the concept of the single bread winner family is almost dead, it's just reality. The single breadwinner family is something that is now reserved for a very lucky few. I would have LOVED to be able to have my kids go to professional day care when they were the age of Dave and Casey's kids. There is absolutely nothing bad about this whole thing, and much good can come from it.

Word. When I have a kid I know my wife would love to stay home but we need her salary. It just sucks that this is the current state of the economy

[bentcorner]

It just doesn't make any economic sense for Casey to go out and get a job. I doubt that she would be able to find anything that pays substantially more then what it would cost to put two very young children into daycare. I realize that Fez is offering to pay the cost of the daycare until Dave and Casey can get on their feet. Whatever that means. The thing is, Fez being Fez, they have to be financially ready at any given moment to pay for the daycare themselves.

A couple of months from now his phone might ring with the wrong number and he will decide that Casey is to blame and immediately rescind the offer.

[cousinchris]

Is Fez a Freemason/ Shriner?

[disneyspy]

Is Fez a Freemason/ Shriner?

mahabone coocooroacha

[Bob'sBitchTits]

Is Fez a Freemason/ Shriner?

Duh!

That's "the secret" they are always referring to.

Pretty obvious if you listen to the show.

[bluepete]

It seems a nice gesture, one could also conclude that Fez's intention was to get Casey away from the computer. Several months ago I remember Ron commenting he thought it was good for the mother to stay home with the kids. In the whole Dave/Fred/Fez pissing match, Dave finally screamed (Fez) "you're a millionaire!!" Dave deserves an "on-air" wage since he's on the air as much as he is. Say what you will about him stepping on Fez, Ron calls on him to speak, and they have a good exchange most of the time. If Dave was truly a problem to the show, Ron (imo) wouldn't let him in the studio. If Casey is truly the "problem" some say she is, then I see this as a less than clever (although generous) way of keeping her off of message boards.

[cousinchris]

THis is fantastic that Fez is going to help out Dave. Now it's Caseys turn to step the fuck up and put down the smokes and turn off the internet and GET A JOB.

[EliSnow]

THis is fantastic that Fez is going to help out Dave. Now it's Caseys turn to step the fuck up and put down the smokes and turn off the internet and GET A JOB.

Knock the shit off. This whole thing is about ending the divisive drama that has been on the show and the boards. Apparently, you're missing that point.

[ShowerBench]

Dave deserves an "on-air" wage since he's on the air as much as he is. Say what you will about him stepping on Fez, Ron calls on him to speak

I don't think it's done on a "per word" basis. If so, but they deduct for stepping on (BOTH) hosts when you're not called on, or inane blabber less entertaining than a Luminance read, Dave would be in worse shape.

There's a critical Dave mass that he usually exceeds by no fault of either host. If they were going to pay someone an "on air" wage whatever that is, seems that wouldn't be good for Dave since it would require a different skill set from his.

[disneyspy]

I don't think it's done on a "per word" basis. If so, but they deduct for stepping on (BOTH) hosts when you're not called on, or inane blabber less entertaining than a Luminance read, Dave would be in worse shape.

There's a critical Dave mass that he usually exceeds by no fault of either host. If they were going to pay someone an "on air" wage whatever that is, seems that wouldn't be good for Dave since it would require a different skill set from his.

PLEASE LOOK AT ELI'S POST ABOVE YOU

[ShowerBench]

PLEASE LOOK AT ELI'S POST ABOVE YOU

I was just responding to a narrow point that could be seen as just as "divisive" if discussing a producer's role qualifies.

I'm not sure the idea that it should qualify isn't at the root of the divisiveness (i.e., the argument that Dave isn't fairly compensated because his family is larger now vs Ron and Fez have already provided him a dream job and opportunity).

But if the mods place criticism of a staffer on equal par with criticism of Ron or Fez, what can I say, I completely respect that it's their board.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

just had a chance to listen on audible. what a shame this move was on fez's part. dave didn't want this, he wanted an apology, and fez couldn't give that. remember when fez was talking just a couple weeks ago about how he would assume he'd pay for a date because that was polite, and ron tried to explain that always paying will make the other person feel like a prick eventually? and the suggestions that casey wasn't doing anything at home, and that obviously she'd want to be working in a mailroom or a grocery store or something instead of raising her tiny kids... well i found it off putting. i thought dave handled himself extremely well in this super bizarre show.

i completely, wholly agree with the previous posts that this ostentatious gesture basically placed the blame for the tension on dave, for having 'home stress'. maybe fez can talk this over with his psychiatrist (but remember, don't dare suggest fez is crazy) and understand how awkward he made friday.

good luck dave.

[ShowerBench]

just had a chance to listen on audible. what a shame this move was on fez's part. dave didn't want this, he wanted an apology, and fez couldn't give that. remember when fez was talking just a couple weeks ago about how he would assume he'd pay for a date because that was polite, and ron tried to explain that always paying will make the other person feel like a prick eventually? and the suggestions that casey wasn't doing anything at home, and that obviously she'd want to be working in a mailroom or a grocery store or something instead of raising her tiny kids... well i found it off putting. i thought dave handled himself extremely well in this super bizarre show.

i completely, wholly agree with the previous posts that this ostentatious gesture basically placed the blame for the tension on dave, for having 'home stress'. maybe fez can talk this over with his psychiatrist (but remember, don't dare suggest fez is crazy) and understand how awkward he made friday.

good luck dave.

I didn't hear any of the suggestions you say were made in the gesture (Casey wasn't doing anything at home). Fez didn't assume anyone would "rather" be working but he addressed the facts of this situation: 1) Dave says he is on the brink and is drowning financially 2) It's no longer a matter of what anyone "wants" to do, according to Dave it is a matter of necessity that extra income exist. Dave has all but said he is faced with giving up a job he loves to sell chair lifts in order to support his family, or he and/or his family making other changes that add another source of income.

Fez obviously gave a lot of thought to the problem and came up with the most intelligent, and most SANE solution - the most bang for the buck if you will. A job with benefits would provide the most return on an investment of $2 grand a month for daycare and enable them to alleviate some of the stress from an inadequate income and a two hour commute.

An employer/boss offers his employee a new benefit - full child care. No lines were crossed, at least if one regards Fez as Dave's boss, which he is. From a logical standpoint, the main breadwinner in a family would be extremely grateful for this added benefit coming from his boss. Offense would never enter the picture if the offer were evaluated in any sane manner.

If a problem were perceived and/or voiced regarding how the employee would be expected to behave on the job - well, that would bring a serious issue to light.

Fez did say the gesture was intended in part to demonstrate appreciation for (note that isn't the same as represent compensation for) Dave's help during Fez's illnesses but he didn't apologize. If he doesn't think he has anything to apologize for, or believes that he is owed an apology, I would agree with him on both counts.

[EliSnow]

I was just responding to a narrow point that could be seen as just as "divisive" if discussing a producer's role qualifies.

I'm not sure the idea that it should qualify isn't at the root of the divisiveness (i.e., the argument that Dave isn't fairly compensated because his family is larger now vs Ron and Fez have already provided him a dream job and opportunity).

But if the mods place criticism of a staffer on equal par with criticism of Ron or Fez, what can I say, I completely respect that it's their board.

If the "staffer" in question is ESD, and the drama has been between ESD and Fez, then yes, for now, I think that the same applies to all three for now.

[drjoek]

For all those saying Fez is overstepping his place or is trying to dictate what ESD and Casey do.
We haven't been privy to their conversation. Dave may have suggested these things ie Casey getting a job, moving closer if he could afford them if they could get the kids in care.
Fez could have offered exactly what ESD desires NOT dictating lifestyle to them

[bluepete]

I don't think it's done on a "per word" basis. If so, but they deduct for stepping on (BOTH) hosts when you're not called on, or inane blabber less entertaining than a Luminance read, Dave would be in worse shape.

There's a critical Dave mass that he usually exceeds by no fault of either host. If they were going to pay someone an "on air" wage whatever that is, seems that wouldn't be good for Dave since it would require a different skill set from his.


dammit! you've turned me around, fuck Dave! Bring on 4 hours a day of "what is your favorite cereal to eat out of the box.":wallbash:

[~Katja~]

For all those saying Fez is overstepping his place or is trying to dictate what ESD and Casey do.
We haven't been privy to their conversation. Dave may have suggested these things ie Casey getting a job, moving closer if he could afford them if they could get the kids in care.
Fez could have offered exactly what ESD desires NOT dictating lifestyle to them
heard the show last week? Even in meetings they communicated through tanley or whoever was there, they don't talk.
And regardless of that, it is still a combined very personal decision between Dave & Casey, should not be on air material, Dave's reaction on air was pretty clearly surprise, he did not know it was coming either.

[ShowerBench]

If the "staffer" in question is ESD, and the drama has been between ESD and Fez, then yes, for now, I think that the same applies to all three for now.

OK. Gonna miss busting the producer's balls. It was always fun to talk about Earl's home life, his fainting and living at the studio, his finances, his alleged girlfriends, his family, his dead grandmother's sexual encounters with notorious figures of history. Especially when Ron or Fez were fed up with him and fighting with him every day. And doing the same to every producer before him going back to Billy the Phone Freak.

[drjoek]

heard the show last week? Even in meetings they communicated through tanley or whoever was there, they don't talk.
And regardless of that, it is still a combined very personal decision between Dave & Casey, should not be on air material, Dave's reaction on air was pretty clearly surprise, he did not know it was coming either.



My point was we're not privey to all that went into the offer. It really in response to all the know it alls saying Fez was overstepping his place. The offer came from a good place and so many here are trying to taint it.

[~Katja~]

My point was we're not privey to all that went into the offer. It really in response to all the know it alls saying Fez was overstepping his place. The offer came from a good place and so many here are trying to taint it.
Maybe I haven't read the thread all the way (or at least not the repetitive posts by the same people) but my overall impression was that nobody questioned the good intent in this generous offer.

[bluepete]

"i completely, wholly agree with the previous posts that this ostentatious gesture basically placed the blame for the tension on dave, for having 'home stress'. maybe fez can talk this over with his psychiatrist (but remember, don't dare suggest fez is crazy) and understand how awkward he made friday."

it does seem hypocritical that Fez gets pissed out about someone suggesting he's crazy when a few weeks ago he told Death Metal Moe on air that he'd gone completely mad.

[EliSnow]

OK. Gonna miss busting the producer's balls. It was always fun to talk about Earl's home life, his fainting and living at the studio, his finances, his alleged girlfriends, his family, his dead grandmother's sexual encounters with notorious figures of history. Especially when Ron or Fez were fed up with him and fighting with him every day. And doing the same to every producer before him going back to Billy the Phone Freak.

We're not saying that you can't "bust balls." But a lot of people, inculding yourself have been doing a lot more than busting ESD's balls. It's one thing to make fun of ESD when he says a stupid thing on the show or comment on something that aired. It's quite another to post statements about his employment, his marriage and fatherhood skills that have absolutely no humor in them.

A lot of the shit on the show and on this board have gone beyond busting ESD or Fez's balls and doing outright, repeated, malicious statements.

And I think that's been pretty obvious to almost everyone.

[EliSnow]

"i completely, wholly agree with the previous posts that this ostentatious gesture basically placed the blame for the tension on dave, for having 'home stress'. maybe fez can talk this over with his psychiatrist (but remember, don't dare suggest fez is crazy) and understand how awkward he made friday."

it does seem hypocritical that Fez gets pissed out about someone suggesting he's crazy when a few weeks ago he told Death Metal Moe on air that he'd gone completely mad.

Sure, he couldn't have been exaggerating, could he?

[drjoek]

Maybe I haven't read the thread all the way (or at least not the repetitive posts by the same people) but my overall impression was that nobody questioned the good intent in this generous offer.

Including me!
I was blown away by his generosity

I agree with your original point. None of this should have made the air.
The whole thing should be kept private.

[EliSnow]

Including me!
I was blown away by his generosity

I agree with your original point. None of this should have made the air.
The whole thing should be kept

Uh oh. drjoek didn't finish his statement. Here's hoping he didn't pass out and his nose hit reply.

[RADIO-SHARK]

Including me!
I was blown away by his generosity

I agree with your original point. None of this should have made the air.
The whole thing should be kept


its also a Tax write off...:smile:

[drjoek]

Uh oh. drjoek didn't finish his statement. Here's hoping he didn't pass out and his nose hit reply.


That's the first sign that I

[Furtherman]

That gas is for your patients!

[bluepete]

if nothing else, things that have been said about Fez on air or online have been said by Ron also, yt he never gets in his ass. There could be some validity to the text sent to Ron about Fez's lashing to Dave is really to Ron as well. I'll say it again, I'm not anti-Fez, but he has a sense of entitlement because he Fez of "Ron and Fez" rather than his performance on the show. Ron glazes over Fez's contributions as much as Dave "steps on him. I too hope this development squashes the fighting on the show, but I'm surprised Ron finds this "daycare" idea positive, if someone tried to do that for him I think he'd find it insulting.

[drjoek]

That gas is for your patients!



BUT ITS SUNDAY!

[disneyspy]

We're not saying that you can't "bust balls." But a lot of people, inculding yourself have been doing a lot more than busting ESD's balls. It's one thing to make fun of ESD when he says a stupid thing on the show or comment on something that aired. It's quite another to post statements about his employment, his marriage and fatherhood skills that have absolutely no humor in them.

A lot of the shit on the show and on this board have gone beyond busting ESD or Fez's balls and doing outright, repeated, malicious statements.

And I think that's been pretty obvious to almost everyone.

obviously its not obvious to some of these oblivious posters

[ShowerBench]

if nothing else, things that have been said about Fez on air or online have been said by Ron also, yt he never gets in his ass. There could be some validity to the text sent to Ron about Fez's lashing to Dave is really to Ron as well. I'll say it again, I'm not anti-Fez, but he has a sense of entitlement because he Fez of "Ron and Fez" rather than his performance on the show. Ron glazes over Fez's contributions as much as Dave "steps on him. I too hope this development squashes the fighting on the show, but I'm surprised Ron finds this "daycare" idea positive, if someone tried to do that for him I think he'd find it insulting.

The idea that Fez wouldn't or shouldn't have a sense of entitlement because he is one of the two hosts of "Ron and Fez" is preposterous. As for his performance on the show, I've got zero problem with it. Makes me laugh every day.

I never hear any hostility on Fez's part toward Ron because he evidently believes Ron as a co-host is entitled to bust his balls, as both are entitled to bust Dave's.

[JustJon]

We're not saying that you can't "bust balls." But a lot of people, inculding yourself have been doing a lot more than busting ESD's balls. It's one thing to make fun of ESD when he says a stupid thing on the show or comment on something that aired. It's quite another to post statements about his employment, his marriage and fatherhood skills that have absolutely no humor in them.

A lot of the shit on the show and on this board have gone beyond busting ESD or Fez's balls and doing outright, repeated, malicious statements.

And I think that's been pretty obvious to almost everyone.

I want to point out that Dave and Fez are both friends of the board (regardless of recent on air statements), and a lot of us on the board are friends with Dave, Casey and Fez. Let's keep this to the level of talking about friends or friends of friends and not attacks.

[bluepete]

The idea that Fez wouldn't or shouldn't have a sense of entitlement because he is one of the two hosts of "Ron and Fez" is preposterous. As for his performance on the show, I've got zero problem with it. Makes me laugh every day.

I never hear any hostility on Fez's part toward Ron because he evidently believes Ron as a co-host is entitled to bust his balls, as both are entitled to bust Dave's.


He makes me laugh also, I'm just saying I'm tired of him accusing Dave of underminding him. He keeps saying "I'm Fez" this is true, but, nevertheless when Ron wants to talk movies, sports, reality tv, etc, he specifically calls on Dave for an interaction, because Dave has similiar interests. I honestly don't know where the Ron Fez chemistry people mention went, I'm not sure I've ever heard it. Yet he's been around a long time so I'm sure it's there, just all depends on your tase I suppose. I still believe Ron finds value in Dave being in studio or he wouldn't be there.

[ShowerBench]

We're not saying that you can't "bust balls." But a lot of people, inculding yourself have been doing a lot more than busting ESD's balls. It's one thing to make fun of ESD when he says a stupid thing on the show or comment on something that aired. It's quite another to post statements about his employment, his marriage and fatherhood skills that have absolutely no humor in them.

A lot of the shit on the show and on this board have gone beyond busting ESD or Fez's balls and doing outright, repeated, malicious statements.

And I think that's been pretty obvious to almost everyone.

You have to admit it's next to impossible to identify where that line is especially if Dave brings up his finances and home life difficulties, condom use or lack thereof on the air eagerly and on a regular basis. He said the other day he's not sleeping, can't pay his bills, and is thinking about leaving. Those are all things that have "aired."

People had been on this board for months talking about Fez being "over," a lost cause, etc. - very often in the name of promoting Dave - and it was more than tolerated. Fez started fighting back against it, his backers here got tired of it and started taking up his part, and suddenly no one is allowed to discuss those uglier underlying resentments between those two or their fundamental causes because it's too "divisive."

I guess my overarching theory is a rejection of the the idea that "division" between a producer/subordinate/employee and a host/boss/employer is even be possible - because the host is presumed to be entitled to any statement or opinion on the air regarding a staffer, while the same is not true in reverse. It's unworkable, as we are witnessing.

[Furtherman]

It is possible not to judge another persons business.

Especially a person we count on 5 days a week to entertain us as only the Ron & Fez Show can.

[ShowerBench]

He makes me laugh also, I'm just saying I'm tired of him accusing Dave of underminding him. He keeps saying "I'm Fez" this is true, but, nevertheless when Ron wants to talk movies, sports, reality tv, etc, he specifically calls on Dave for an interaction, because Dave has similiar interests. I honestly don't know where the Ron Fez chemistry people mention went, I'm not sure I've ever heard it. Yet he's been around a long time so I'm sure it's there, just all depends on your tase I suppose. I still believe Ron finds value in Dave being in studio or he wouldn't be there.

A lot of people (including me) find some value in Dave being in studio. Ron does more "calling on" since Dave and Fez decided not to talk to each other, and the show has been even better since, namely because Fez, who rarely interrupts anyone, has so much more mic time.

I see the Ron and Fez chemistry more now than in a long time because this "calling on" thing has facilitated it again. At the same time, Dave's contribution seems somewhat more circumspect, an improvement. But Ron doesn't seem to want to do the "calling on" forever.

[disneyspy]

It is possible not to judge another persons business.

Especially a person we count on 5 days a week to entertain us as only the Ron & Fez Show can.

thanks man,i'll try to start postin on wednesdays and fridays

[Furtherman]

Everybody is working for Hump Days and the weekend!

[paulisded]

My birthday is in 11 days; can somebody ban one-note Shower Bench until then as a birthday present?

[ShowerBench]

I suppose the "friendship" angle of the site precludes talking about the show in the traditional way as, well, a show, and regarding ronfez.net as a site dedicated to commenting on a show and the topics that arise on it - as opposed to a gathering place for mutual friends.

It's hard to have to self-censor when talking about producers, especially when they discuss things on the air that we can't discuss in turn here. A lot of the stuff about Earl's life - his loneliness, rare dates and girlfriends, hysterical fainting, was funny. Felt bad for him now and then as some of it was malicious and hurt his feelings.

As a dispassionate listener I also find much of the current conflict funny. But I'll try not to say so.

[dmwright71]

the gesture that fez made to dave is what made me join .net.that has to show everyone the fragile state of the show.ron pulls them in and has a chat and that gets fez moving.daves reluctance to accept really surpirsed everyone.ron pushe d dave to see the gesture for what it was.a close friend feeling sad for another and wanting to help that friend out.been listening for a long time. the abuse that is given is part of the show.whatever made it carry over to after the show should be over. bless you fez.dave know that there are some people that do things for the right reasons.

[WampusCrandle]

My birthday is in 11 days; can somebody ban one-note Shower Bench until then as a birthday present?

if you say your wishes out loud, they don't come true - everyone knows that.

[paulisded]

if you say your wishes out loud, they don't come true - everyone knows that.

Dammit!

[Old Gravy Leg]

I will miss them but I am glad R&F will be taking some days off. It seems that they get a little cranky before a vacation. Then add this situation and it's even worse.
Here's hoping the time off is productive and they remember whats important, their friendship.


and of course the show.

[Dell]

My birthday is in 11 days; can somebody ban one-note Shower Bench until then as a birthday present?

late to the thread...but I had to give props to this...:laugh:

[angrymissy]

I want to point out that Dave and Fez are both friends of the board (regardless of recent on air statements), and a lot of us on the board are friends with Dave, Casey and Fez. Let's keep this to the level of talking about friends or friends of friends and not attacks.

You're supposed to say "knock it off"

[~Katja~]

My birthday is in 11 days; can somebody ban one-note Shower Bench until then as a birthday present?
mine is in 15... I say let's make this a present to ALL September B-days :)

[PapaBear]

You're supposed to say "knock it off"
He's no Mikeyboy.

[mikeyboy]

mine is in 15... I say let's make this a present to ALL September B-days :)

My birthday isn't until May. Nobody asked, but I think I'd like an XBOX360.

[WampusCrandle]

My birthday isn't until May. Nobody asked, but I think I'd like an XBOX360.

me too! we must be creeps together.

[~Katja~]

I want to point out that Dave and Fez are both friends of the board (regardless of recent on air statements), and a lot of us on the board are friends with Dave, Casey and Fez. Let's keep this to the level of talking about friends or friends of friends and not attacks.
that's adorable... like a kid that believes in Santa even after he has been told he does not exist







:wink:

[brettmojo]

My birthday isn't until May. Nobody asked, but I think I'd like an XBOX360.
PS3 slim $299...

Just sayin'.

PSN: brettmojo

[~Katja~]

My birthday isn't until May. Nobody asked, but I think I'd like an XBOX360.
I'll start saving now... I think this is the year to tell Lukas that Santa isn't real and mommy is broke... but St. mikeyboy deserves the gift more than him... cause he's always been good to me and never peed on my carpet.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

mine is in 15... I say let's make this a present to ALL September B-days :)

Cool mine is in 17 days.

[mikeyboy]

I'll start saving now... I think this is the year to tell Lukas that Santa isn't real and mommy is broke... but St. mikeyboy deserves the gift more than him... cause he's always been good to me and never peed on my carpet.

Damn straight. I haven't peed on a Pennsylvania carpet in like 15 years.

[biggestmexi]

Cool mine is in 17 days.

25 days for me

[~Katja~]

Damn straight. I haven't peed on a Pennsylvania carpet in like 15 years.
ok deal, I will tell him at the day in the park, so you can console him and make him realize why you are so much better and deserving then him :)

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

25 days for me

Not being a teen anymore is going to suck a whole heap of monkey dick.

[Gvac]

My birthday isn't until May. Nobody asked, but I think I'd like an XBOX360.

Aren't you in your 40's?

[Brad in Bama]

Truth be told, I think that Fez really did put a lot of thought into this, and considering his track record of only seeing things from his point of view I think this speaks volumes.

I had to agree with Dave when he said that it's a comedy show and that they're supposed to be doing comedy.

I really hope this squashes the animosity and lets the guys get back to freindly jabs, and more radio bits, because I really didn't want to see the wheels fall off the show.

[PD]

Aren't you in your 40's?
is that a bad thing?

[fezident]

Bravo Fez. You are a class act, good sir.

Said it before... sayin' it again: We love you, big fella.

http://mls.central-cass.k12.nd.us/squash.jpg

[ShowerBench]

Bravo Fez. You are a class act, good sir.

Said it before... sayin' it again: We love you, big fella.

http://mls.central-cass.k12.nd.us/squash.jpg

:thumbup:

[ShowerBench]

Why would anyone rather sell Handy Lifts than refuse pressure to criticize a generous and thoughtful gesture as an insult, even if they don't ultimately accept.

That's insane.

[underdog]

Why would anyone rather sell Handy Lifts than refuse pressure to criticize a generous and thoughtful gesture as an insult, even if they don't ultimately accept.

That's insane.

Why bring your negativity to this thread?

This thread is about what a great gesture it was by Fezzy. Get your weak shit out of here.

[ShowerBench]

Why bring your negativity to this thread?

This thread is about what a great gesture it was by Fezzy. Get your weak shit out of here.

"Great move, Fezzie, too bad it was shit on" is well within the bounds of the thread topic.