Bill to give White House control of the internet

[keithy_19]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

Oh boy.

[angrymissy]

You left out a few key words there Keithy.

[keithy_19]

You left out a few key words there Keithy.

emergency. for emergency use.


Still doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.

[SatCam]

You also changed the word "would" to "to", LJ

[IMSlacker]

it's about time.

[Jujubees2]

As long as they don't take down RonFez.net I'm fine with it.

[HBox]

emergency. for emergency use.


Still doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.

You aren't supposed to taste the internet. How the hell did you pull that off in the first place?

BTW, when I first read the thread title I thought it was about some guy named Bill.

[Kevin]

You aren't supposed to taste the internet. How the hell did you pull that off in the first place?

BTW, when I first read the thread title I thought it was about some guy named Bill.

I thought Bill Clinton was up to his old tricks again.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm absolutely shocked this thread wasn't started by jezo.

[Furtherman]

Hittin the gym keithy?

[keithy_19]

It just seems to me that more of you who were not fans of the Patriot Act would be upset by this.

[Furtherman]

And how would you determine who wasn't a fan of the patriot act?

[Crispy123]

And how would you determine who wasn't a fan of the patriot act?

http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/TomBrady%20010708.jpg

[keithy_19]

And how would you determine who wasn't a fan of the patriot act?

On this board I've read about people's disdain for Bush. One of the reasons was him pushing through the Patriot Act.

[SatCam]

I thought Bill Clinton was up to his old tricks again.

Bill had control of the internet through it's inventor, his right-hand man

http://www.solarnavigator.net/media/media_images/Al_Gore_Vice_President_of_the_United_States_offici al_portrait_1994.jpg

[angrymissy]

Keithy explain to me how having the power to shut off the internet during a cyber attack is akin to the patriot act. Most of the things people didn't like about the patriot act involved goverment and your privacy. Giving govt the power to shut down the internet in the event of a massive attack is basically the same thing as giving them the power to ground planes on 9/11.

Why does it worry you? Do you think obama is just going to shut down the internet for no reason?

[underdog]

And how would you determine who wasn't a fan of the patriot act?

By gaining control of the internet and then reading their emails.

[keithy_19]

Keithy explain to me how having the power to shut off the internet during a cyber attack is akin to the patriot act. Most of the things people didn't like about the patriot act involved goverment and your privacy. Giving govt the power to shut down the internet in the event of a massive attack is basically the same thing as giving them the power to ground planes on 9/11.

Why does it worry you? Do you think obama is just going to shut down the internet for no reason?

I just don't like the idea of the White House having the ability to shut down a line of communication. I don't think Obama is just going to shut down the internet, but I don't like him having the ability too.

[STC-Dub]

As long as they don't take down RonFez.net I'm fine with it.

They will ban the site!

[SatCam]

I just don't like the idea of the White House having the ability to shut down a line of communication. I don't think Obama is just going to shut down the internet, but I don't like him having the ability too.

He's going to shut off everything but BET.com and make everyone subscribe to SouljaBoy on youtube

[angrymissy]

Then what is obama supposed to do in the event of a major cyber attack? Attack via planes, ground planes. Cyber attack, ground internet

[west milly Tom]

Then what is obama supposed to do in the event of a major cyber attack? Attack via planes, ground planes. Cyber attack, ground internet



Typical.

[keithy_19]

Then what is obama supposed to do in the event of a major cyber attack? Attack via planes, ground planes. Cyber attack, ground internet

Can you honestly tell me that you'd be fine with this if it was Bush and not Obama?

[DolaMight]

Let me be the first to say I don't know how those pictures got there. Why don't you go ask Obama?

[angrymissy]

Yes, I would be fine with it if it was bush. Were not talking about snooping into peoples emails, were talking about taking action to stop a cyber attack. Besides "I just don't he should be able to do it", or "typical" ,what's the argument against it?

[west milly Tom]

Yes, I would be fine with it if it was bush. Were not talking about snooping into peoples emails, were talking about taking action to stop a cyber attack.



Again, typical.

[angrymissy]

Typical contributes nothing to the discussion. Again, what about it is a concern?

[keithy_19]

Having the ability to shut down a line of communication bothers me. The vagueness of the bill in question bothers me.

[angrymissy]

Have you read the actual bill or just the article?

[keithy_19]

Have you read the actual bill or just the article?

Both.

[Kevin]

Have you read the actual bill or just the article?

Reading Bills is for faggots.

You just listen to news networks and read articles, and form an opinion that way.

[badmonkey]

Then what is obama supposed to do in the event of a major cyber attack? Attack via planes, ground planes. Cyber attack, ground internet

We've had several major "cyber attacks" already. Shutting off the internet wasn't necessary for any of them. There is no reason to shutdown the entire internet all over the country. Yes, that was a period. There is no reason at all to shutdown the entire internet. If you can think of a reason, it's because you don't work on any major internet networks. Ronfez.net is not a major internet network.

Thank you for your concern. We have it under control. Please leave it to those of us that do this for a living.

Thanks again for your concern....

Badmonkey

[angrymissy]

The bill doesn't give authority to shut down the entire internet, btw

[Kevin]

The bill doesn't give authority to shut down the entire internet, btw

But will give the authority to kill grandma.

[boosterp]

Then what is obama supposed to do in the event of a major cyber attack? Attack via planes, ground planes. Cyber attack, ground internet

The Electronic Frontier Foundation which I closely follows has a problem with this because if you read section 120 (if memory is correct) it would allow the government to monitor, shut down, and/or control private networks. It also has a government mandate for cyber security when the White House can't even fill the positions.

We've had several major "cyber attacks" already. Shutting off the internet wasn't necessary for any of them. There is no reason to shutdown the entire internet all over the country. Yes, that was a period. There is no reason at all to shutdown the entire internet. If you can think of a reason, it's because you don't work on any major internet networks. Ronfez.net is not a major internet network.


Great point.

[TooLowBrow]

can we unlock the dear casey thread and see if obama gets involved?

[Furtherman]

The internet will be shut down just like prohibition stopped people from drinking.

[badmonkey]

Have you read the actual bill or just the article?

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[benjamin]

not good people...
not fucking good at all.
:furious:

[SonOfSmeagol]

Well, I hope the first thing they freaking shut down is this freaking board, for Christ’s sake.

[TooLowBrow]

Well, I hope the first thing they freaking shut down is this freaking board, for Christ’s sake.


such language!

[SonOfSmeagol]

such language!
Jeepers, man, don't get me started! Dagnabbit!

[DarkHippie]

I don't like this. It gives a lot of power over communication to the government. Not to compare us to Iran, but with all the shit that went down there, we really saw how important the net is in a crisis. To give anyone the power to shut it off is dangerous

[boosterp]

I don't like this. It gives a lot of power over communication to the government. Not to compare us to Iran, but with all the shit that went down there, we really saw how important the net is in a crisis. To give anyone the power to shut it off is dangerous

While true, part of the EFF's (and others) problem also comes from the failure of a net neutrality act. This takes the internet and puts it into the hands of Washington. Also remember that ICANN is based on US soil, if the internet was shut down or limited it would affect everyone globally. Places like China ad the EU have tried to minimize dependence on the infrastructure but would still be fucked if the US went down.

[underdog]

How exactly would the internet be "shut down"?

[Gvac]

http://doombots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/censor.jpg

[DiabloSammich]

I for one welcome our new beureaucratic overlords.




And I did not use spell check for beureaucratic. Choke on it, suckers.

[Gvac]

I did not use spell check for beureaucratic.

Obviously. :wallbash:

[DiabloSammich]

Obviously. :wallbash:





Haha! Is it wrong? Fuck!



edit: Wow, am I an asshole. I will not go back and edit my post to prove that point.

[A.J.]

As long as they don't take down RonFez.net I'm fine with it.

We're doing a good enough job of that ourselves.

[angrymissy]

How exactly would the internet be "shut down"?

Like I said earlier, it doesn't give Obama the power the shut down the entire Internet (is that possible?) as implied in the articles linked.

Here's the actual bill if anyone cares to actually read that rather than the headline and article that Drudge tells you to read (I know, TYPICAL, right??? :tongue:):

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-773

And here is the exact part that shows what powers it gives the President:


The President--

(1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--

(A) a long-term vision of the Nation’s cybersecurity future; and

(B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers;

(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network;

(3) shall designate an agency to be responsible for coordinating the response and restoration of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network affected by a cybersecurity emergency declaration under paragraph (2);

(4) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, review equipment that would be needed after a cybersecurity attack and develop a strategy for the acquisition, storage, and periodic replacement of such equipment;

(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process;

(6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks in the interest of national security;

(7) shall, through the Office of Science and Technology Policy, direct an annual review of all Federal cyber technology research and development investments;

(8) may delegate original classification authority to the appropriate Federal official for the purposes of improving the Nation’s cybersecurity posture;

(9) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, promulgate rules for Federal professional responsibilities regarding cybersecurity, and shall provide to the Congress an annual report on Federal agency compliance with those rules;

(10) shall withhold additional compensation, direct corrective action for Federal personnel, or terminate a Federal contract in violation of Federal rules, and shall report any such action to the Congress in an unclassified format within 48 hours after taking any such action; and

(11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person.

[badmonkey]

Like I said earlier, it doesn't give Obama the power the shut down the entire Internet (is that possible?) as implied in the articles linked.

Here's the actual bill if anyone cares to actually read that rather than the headline and article that Drudge tells you to read (I know, TYPICAL, right??? :tongue:):

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-773

And here is the exact part that shows what powers it gives the President:

The President--

(1) within 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, shall develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy, which shall include--

(A) a long-term vision of the Nation’s cybersecurity future; and

(B) a plan that encompasses all aspects of national security, including the participation of the private sector, including critical infrastructure operators and managers; (this includes the internet backbone and root nameservers for .com, .net, .org)

(2) may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network; (this includes the internet backbone and root nameservers for .com, .net, .org)

(3) shall designate an agency to be responsible for coordinating the response and restoration of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network affected by a cybersecurity emergency declaration under paragraph (2); (this includes the internet backbone and root nameservers for .com, .net, .org)

(4) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, review equipment that would be needed after a cybersecurity attack and develop a strategy for the acquisition, storage, and periodic replacement of such equipment;

(5) shall direct the periodic mapping of Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks, and shall develop metrics to measure the effectiveness of the mapping process; (this includes the internet backbone and root nameservers for .com, .net, .org)

(6) may order the disconnection of any Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information systems or networks in the interest of national security; (this includes the internet backbone and root nameservers for .com, .net, .org)

(7) shall, through the Office of Science and Technology Policy, direct an annual review of all Federal cyber technology research and development investments;

(8) may delegate original classification authority to the appropriate Federal official for the purposes of improving the Nation’s cybersecurity posture;

(9) shall, through the appropriate department or agency, promulgate rules for Federal professional responsibilities regarding cybersecurity, and shall provide to the Congress an annual report on Federal agency compliance with those rules;

(10) shall withhold additional compensation, direct corrective action for Federal personnel, or terminate a Federal contract in violation of Federal rules, and shall report any such action to the Congress in an unclassified format within 48 hours after taking any such action; and

(11) shall notify the Congress within 48 hours after providing a cyber-related certification of legality to a United States person.

You missed a couple things that should also be bolded. Again... we've been doing this just fine without him since the birth of the internet. He already has the authority to unplug Federal networks anytime he wants. What's in place already works just fine. We don't need or want him or any other government official taking over any aspect of the internet.

[boosterp]

You missed a couple things that should also be bolded. Again... we've been doing this just fine without him since the birth of the internet. He already has the authority to unplug Federal networks anytime he wants. What's in place already works just fine. We don't need or want him or any other government official taking over any aspect of the internet.

Thank you for taking the time to do that, I was going to post more from EFF but you hit the nail on the head.

[foodcourtdruide]

Like I said earlier, it doesn't give Obama the power the shut down the entire Internet (is that possible?)

Yes, just close the IE window.

[K.C.]

As soon as this is passed, the President will appoint a task-force to study the issue and make recommendations to him, they'll come back six months later, and recommend the establishment of a separate internet security federal agency.

And from there, you'll get the gradual chipping away of freedoms on the net.

People are missing the point focusing on the Obama/power aspect of this. That's clear cut. He's not going to have a giant bitchslap app (I'm dating myself with that reference) that knocks people off as the White House sees fit.

And I get the need to secure vital information. Didn't some retard in England hack into one of the Federal websites looking for info on UFOs and now he's standing trial as a terrorist or something? (I half-heard it on the BBC months ago). That's problematic.

But I also understand how government works. And if you don't think this EVENTUALLY will lay the ground work for a cyber-homeland security type agency, you just don't see the big picture.

And this is not a liberal/conservative thing. It's a government thing. Everyone in power wants this.

[Furtherman]

That British hacker is Gary McKinnon, who has a mild form of Aspergers I believe.

Look up his interviews and what he said he found. Some really crazy and far out stuff, if you know what I mean.

No wonder they want him silenced. If even half the stuff was true the world would be looking up saying WTF?

[K.C.]

That British hacker is Gary McKinnon, who has a mild form of Aspergers I believe.

Look up his interviews and what he said he found. Some really crazy and far out stuff, if you know what I mean.

No wonder they want him silenced. If even half the stuff was true the world would be looking up saying WTF?

Thank god we still have jlehane to reveal the true secrets of the universe to us.

[Furtherman]

Oh, he's on the list.

[JerseySean]

As soon as this is passed, the President will appoint a task-force to study the issue and make recommendations to him, they'll come back six months later, and recommend the establishment of a separate internet security federal agency.


No doubt headed by a czar who doesnt need congressional oversight or confirmation. this is a creepy bill. I dont want Obama, Bush or anyone else having the power to do this.

[The Jays]

Yes, and then we will all be thrown into gulags.

[TjM]

We've got bigger problems


Gay Ice Cream (http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20090901ice_cream_company_fetes_gay_marriage/srvc=home&position=3)

[A.J.]

We've got bigger problems


Gay Ice Cream (http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20090901ice_cream_company_fetes_gay_marriage/srvc=home&position=3)

Does the lesbian flavor taste like fish?

[IMSlacker]

Does the lesbian flavor taste like fish?


They've got it covered.
http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/Images/ExternalImages/ProductsDetailed/21/000121.jpg

[TjM]

Does the lesbian flavor taste like fish?

HAHAHA YES SIR

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7349/edmcmahon19.jpg

[topless_mike]

By gaining control of the internet and then reading their emails.

ask china how thats working out for them.

[HBox]

Change we can believe in...... finally. (http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/09/net-neutrality-announcement/)

FCC chairman Julius Genachowski delivered Monday on President Obama’s promise to back “net neutrality.” But he went much further than merely seeking to expand rules that prohibit ISPs from filtering or blocking net traffic — he proposed that they cover all broadband connections, including data connections for smartphones.

Genachowski, Obama’s law school classmate, announced in a speech Monday at the Brookings Institution his intent to codify and expand the four current broadband principles (.pdf) known as the Four Freedoms and extend them to all broadband connections. He said that an open internet is necessary for economic growth and democratic participation. The rules were originally applied only to wireline broadband services, and the FCC kept postponing any ruling on whether they also applied to wireless services.

“The Internet’s creators didn’t want the network architecture — or any single entity — to pick winners and losers,” Genachowski said, embracing what is known as the end-to-end principle. “The principles that will protect the open Internet are an essential step to maximize investment and innovation in the network and on the edge of it — by establishing rules of the road that incentivize competition, empower entrepreneurs, and grow the economic pie to the benefit of all.”

[Bob Impact]

Genachowski proposes adding two more principles:

1. broadband providers cannot discriminate against services or applications by slowing them down
2. broadband providers must tell customers how its engineers manage the network when it gets congested


About time.

[strawberrypop]

Secret Service Probing Facebook Pole on Obama (http://www.newsday.com/news/secret-service-probing-facebook-poll-on-obama-1.1482680)

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Secret Service is investigating an online survey that asked whether people thought President Barack Obama should be assassinated, officials said Monday.

The poll, posted Saturday on Facebook, was taken off the popular social networking site quickly after company officials were alerted to its existence. But, like any threat against the president, Secret Service agents are taking no chances.

"We are aware of it and we will take the appropriate investigative steps," said Darrin Blackford, a Secret Service spokesman. "We take of these things seriously."

The poll asked respondents "Should Obama be killed?" The choices: No, Maybe, Yes, and Yes if he cuts my health care.

The question was not created by Facebook, but by an independent person using an add-on application that has been suspended from the site.

"The third-party application that enabled an individual user to create the offensive poll was brought to our attention this morning," said Barry Schnitt, Facebook's spokesman for policy.

Because the application was disabled, the responses to the nonscientific polls are not available.

"We're working with the U.S. Secret Service, but they'll need to provide any details of their investigation," Schnitt said.

[Crispy123]

Secret Service Probing Facebook Pole on Obama (http://www.newsday.com/news/secret-service-probing-facebook-poll-on-obama-1.1482680)

WASHINGTON (AP) —
Because the application was disabled, the responses to the nonscientific polls are not available.



I voted no, he should live forever.

[hanso]

If you go to a site called White House its a porn site.
Maybe they just want to fix that.

[sailor]

Discuss. I'm torn on this proposed law. If someone could post a link that'd be swell.

[badmonkey]

Discuss. I'm torn on this proposed law. If someone could post a link that'd be swell.

It's yet another dumbass idea from a bunch of people that have no idea how things actually work.

[Dude!]

Discuss. I'm torn on this proposed law. If someone could post a link that'd be swell.

swell?

maybe Wally Cleaver
will post the link

[S0S]

Linky:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the-internet.html


no worries...

:ohmy:

[SatCam]

It's yet another dumbass idea from a bunch of people that have no idea how things actually work.

Senators?

[Furtherman]

This is an overblown expression. There isn't a kill switch. There won't be. Sen. Lieberman is proposing some new online security measures, and the press has made it something it's not.

[torker]

Linky:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the-internet.html


no worries...

:ohmy:

Lieberman Backs Away from 'Internet Kill Switch' (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365393,00.asp)

[badmonkey]

Senators?
Yes. I fail to believe that Joe Lieberman or the other senators involved know how to check their own email, let alone know better how to secure the internet than we do.

This is an overblown expression. There isn't a kill switch. There won't be. Sen. Lieberman is proposing some new online security measures, and the press has made it something it's not.

It's crap. I guarantee you that we will know about an attack on the internet well before he does and we will have already taken measures to reduce or eliminate that threat to our networks. That's how it has worked for years without the govt being involved in any way. We handle it because it's in our best interests to handle it quickly so we minimize the level of disruption of service to our customers. If there's an attack on a specific govt network, they will handle it the same way we do. He can already disconnect the govt networks from the private internet anytime he wants. I'm not really sure how a "kill switch" would be implemented even if the bill really did specifically demand one.

If they want to improve computer and information security, they can start with a bill that completely bans the storing of private personal information like social security numbers on government laptops for any reason. They could pass a law that bans use of social security numbers for anything other than paying into or claiming social security funds. Those would at least do something towards preventing identity theft.

I'll read the bill, which is more than congress will do, and see what it actually says when I get a few minutes to digest it.

[dino_electropolis]

Lieberman Backs Away from 'Internet Kill Switch' (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365393,00.asp)


Wow, this clown actually cites china's power to shut down the Internet as a model we should follow.

China.

A fkn communist country with slave labor...as his model.

When our gvt stripped our rights with the patriot act, we bent over and let it happen.

Perhaps the idea that the gvt can take our online porn away will be enough to get these complacent assholes to say " enough".

[Furtherman]

I'm just waiting for the Kill Flanders switch.

[torker]

kill switch engaged
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/cd/NGM1911A1-4.jpg/600px-NGM1911A1-4.jpg

[KC2OSO]

meh, so we take a few steps back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio)

[Bob Impact]

It's yet another dumbass idea from a bunch of people that have no idea how things actually work.

Don't they just have to put a plug in the main tube?


Yeah, that old chestnut.

[STC-Dub]

Slippery slope.

[torker]

Slippery slope.
Chink in the armor

[epo]

Another Lieberman idea. How am I not surprised?

[dino_electropolis]

kill switch engage

one of the most underated bands out there!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cs_NsgZpEk&feature=youtube_gdata

(sorry can't embed from iPhone)