Obama to talk to all children.

[LordJezo]

It's getting bad, people all over my workplace are freaking out about the upcoming Obama propaganda session for all school children on September 8th.

http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2009/09/02/abusing_school_kids_with_pro-obama_propaganda

He's going around parents now and going straight to the kids to tell them that Obama is the way. People are thinking about taking their kids out of school or getting them away from what is going to go down that day. He's picked a perfect time too, the start of the school year when it's harder to miss school.

Sick.

[IMSlacker]

Wow. A first day of school pep talk. Terrifying!

[JWTROUT]

Like a trout, he has no spine.

[tanless1]

.... if it was a conservative, youd be livid. be honest now.

[EliSnow]

.... if it was a conservative, youd be livid. be honest now.

Um, no, because, at least for myself, I have a sense of perspective.

[A.J.]

"What is so dangerous about a character like Barack Obama is he gives good kids bad ideas."

http://dumpmartz.com/content/binary/Ferris_17.jpg

[IMSlacker]

.... if it was a conservative, youd be livid. be honest now.

It would depend on the content of the address, but if this is all it is...

On September 8th (the first day of classes for many school kids) the President will address them live about the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning declares an announcement from Washington.

...I wouldn't care.

[tanless1]

so if bush addresed all the schools, along w/ the to do list thats been forwarded to the teachers. that includes talking about his story, to be interpreted by a cheerleading teacher who's view may be incorrectly skewed..... i dont have that much trust for the players, and im pretty sure you dont either, not really. i believe your response is dishonest , and i can accept it for what it is.

[earthbrown]

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.


That is a documented quote of Adolf Hitler, he understood that indoctrinating the youth would produce loyal robots in the future.



K

[EliSnow]

so if bush addresed all the schools, along w/ the to do list thats been forwarded to the teachers. that includes talking about his story, to be interpreted by a cheerleading teacher who's view may be incorrectly skewed..... i dont have that much trust for the players, and im pretty sure you dont either, not really. i believe your response is dishonest , and i can accept it for what it is.

You don't know me or seen what I would do in the situation you speculate. So how can you say it's "dishonest?"

The issue is one of the importance of education. It's not really that controversial of an issue that should rile anyone up, whether a liberal or conservative is providing it.

[Jujubees2]

Wasn't GWB reading to school kids on 9/11?

[El Mudo]

That is a documented quote of Adolf Hitler, he understood that indoctrinating the youth would produce loyal robots in the future.



K



OK...who had Godwin's Law at 9 in the pool?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Plh0BlUtnTI/SRoovL39DrI/AAAAAAAAAPE/SWNJnALPbE8/s320/GodwinsLaw_CatPoster.jpg

[EliSnow]

Wasn't GWB reading to school kids on 9/11?

Yes, every president, along with their wives, and other politicians do those type of things. It never really gets people riled up.

[Boogie in Va]

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/sleeping-at-school-142882.jpg?1212649827

[Furtherman]

All kids must join the gym!

[lleeder]

Hopefully it works out better then when we were forced to watch the Challenger launch.

[underdog]

so if bush addresed all the schools, along w/ the to do list thats been forwarded to the teachers. that includes talking about his story, to be interpreted by a cheerleading teacher who's view may be incorrectly skewed..... i dont have that much trust for the players, and im pretty sure you dont either, not really. i believe your response is dishonest , and i can accept it for what it is.

Really? You think people would be upset about Bush speaking to the children?

[lleeder]

Really? You think people would be upset about Bush speaking to the children?

Only if it was September 11th...

[Boogie in Va]

Hopefully it works out better then when we were forced to watch the Challenger launch.

It will be no different.

[IMSlacker]

That is a documented quote of Adolf Hitler, he understood that indoctrinating the youth would produce loyal robots in the future.


You mean like the Pledge of Allegiance?

[dino_electropolis]

God forbid the president stress the importance of education to children.


Disgusting!

[Misteriosa]

All kids must join the gym!

since the people at his job were up in arms, i was wondering who was gonna post the first memo...

[EliSnow]

Really? You think people would be upset about Bush speaking to the children?

Maybe he does, maybe not.

What I do know is that often with partisan news, and more often from the right side, you'll see the speculation that liberals would be going apeshit about a situation if it was different.

Like how liberals would be going apeshit if David Letterman treated the Obama children like he "treated" the Palin children.

[dino_electropolis]

That is a documented quote of Adolf Hitler, he understood that indoctrinating the youth would produce loyal robots in the future.



K

Uhm Hitler was setting himself up for a lifetime gig as dictator.

Obamas got 8 year tops.

Unless they start letting 3rd graders vote, ur analogy is groundless.


Nice try at working the Nazi angle tho

[EliSnow]

Uhm Hitler was setting himself up for a lifetime gig as dictator.

Obamas got 8 year tops.

Unless they start letting 3rd graders vote, ur analogy is groundless.


Nice try at working the Nazi angle tho

That, and there is a difference between doing a short speech on one day, and creating a youth organization, like the Hitler Youth, that would receive the "indoctrination" repeatedly as part of the organization.

[Enabler]

Wasn't GWB reading to school kids on 9/11?

i think he was just happily sitting there enjoying the story....before he was so rudely interrupted.

btw, getting angry/nervous over Obama attempting to challenge students is so fucking stupid. half of them wont be paying a damn bit of attention and the other half will be high on something.

[TheMojoPin]

OK, for one, this is a Jezo thread, so anyone who actually agrees with him or thinks he's not just an attention whore is either hopelessly stupid or playing right into his fat, sweaty hands.

It's best just to tease the goon, like this: Jezo, I can only assume that this program also has you furious and up in arms. (http://www.fitness.gov/) It's basically just a detah panel for children! Weed out the weak and find the strong to foster a race of Aryan superchildren!

[A.J.]

It's best just to tease the goon, like this: Jezo, I can only assume that this program also has you furious and up in arms. (http://www.fitness.gov/) It's basically just a detah panel for children! Weed out the weak and find the strong to foster a race of Aryan superchildren!

We had a shot at that when Arnold ran the program back in 1990-92.

http://www.fitness.gov/50thanniversary/photos-firstfiftyyears/SchwarzeneggerandBush.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

We had a shot at that when Arnold ran the program back in 1990-92.

http://www.fitness.gov/50thanniversary/photos-firstfiftyyears/SchwarzeneggerandBush.jpg

Arnold is Austrian! Hitler was from Austria! NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS!!! BEEP BEEP BEEP! AOOOOOOOGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[earthbrown]

You mean like the Pledge of Allegiance?

No the liberal indoctrination already takes place in the schools, via no losers EVERYONE is a winner mentality.

Uhm Hitler was setting himself up for a lifetime gig as dictator.

Obamas got 8 year tops.

Unless they start letting 3rd graders vote, ur analogy is groundless.


Nice try at working the Nazi angle tho


So a president never made a power grab and turned into a dictator? Not in this country but it has happened in history before.

While the above is not likely, and I dont really think a visit from Obama is going to turn the kids into mindless robots, it is a problem in our school and collegiate system that children and young adults are steered towards following the liberal agenda.

The constant pumping of liberal ideals in the schools, predisposes a youth to liberalism and the democrat party.

That, and there is a difference between doing a short speech on one day, and creating a youth organization, like the Hitler Youth, that would receive the "indoctrination" repeatedly as part of the organization.

Indoctrination is ongoing schools are ripe with liberal ideals and policy.

K

[TheMojoPin]

Good Lord, you are ridiculous.

Nobody is "indoctrinating" anyone.

The majority of educators tend to fall to the Left of the political spectrum. That's based on the nature of the job: education is typically not a field that someone who is a true conservative is going to seek out. Conservative educators are not being refused positions or denied the opportunity to teach: they simply are a tiny minority in the field. The bottom line is that most conservatives do not seek out jobs that generally do not pay very well as careers. Education is ultimately a largely altruistic career choice over a material one that would lead to finnancial success or prosperity, which should make it clear to anyone with a functioning brain why the majority of people in that field would fall to the Left with their personal politics.

[underdog]

Indoctrination is ongoing schools are ripe with liberal ideals and policy.

K

Elementary schools are?

[biggirl]

This doesn't really bother me. I'd rather have the president (liberal or conservative) address my kids about education than some sports figure (who might do drugs, etc. on the side). Seriously, my kids aren't going to be old enough to vote in the next election anyhow so it's not like they are going to be thinking that it is a political move for the next election or something.

My son was in Kindergarten last year, and they had a vote on election day. Obama won and Burke came home and told us he voted for Obama, blah, blah, blah, I thought it was funny.

As for older students, I don't see them paying attention anyhow. They are going to be whispering and passing notes about their summer.

[DarkHippie]

To be fair, educating children certainly favors progressive thought.

[instrument]

I always wonder what schools people like earthbrown went to.

I moved prob 20 times before I graduated
high school and amazingly from NJ to NC to CA the schools were basically the same, old conservative teachers and 1 or 2 recent grads who were the only ones who had any passion in what they did.

But routinely it wasn't passion in a political ideology but moreso in getting students to think on their own.

Stop buying into everyting you hear rush and the people on fox news say and possibly share from your actual experience.

[west milly Tom]

Its common for all presidents to address school children and the message is rarely partisan. This is a benine story.

[DarkHippie]

I always wonder what schools people like earthbrown went to.

I moved prob 20 times before I graduated
high school and amazingly from NJ to NC to CA the schools were basically the same, old conservative teachers and 1 or 2 recent grads who were the only ones who had any passion in what they did.

But routinely it wasn't passion in a political ideology but moreso in getting students to think on their own.

Stop buying into everyting you hear rush and the people on fox news say and possibly share from your actual experience.

earthbrown generally gives arguments that he can back up. Jezo, not so much

[foodcourtdruide]

Its common for all presidents to address school children and the message is rarely partisan. This is a benine story.

This is actually a significant story compared to the other thread which jezo and earthbrown are discussing their preparation for when the US economy collapses and we Mad Max this bitch in 2 months.

Hey, some Russian guy said it and it was on a site that had me scroll own literally 18 pages of advertisements to get to the story, it must be true!

[brettmojo]

This is actually a significant story compared to the other thread which jezo and earthbrown are discussing their preparation for when the US economy collapses and we Mad Max this bitch in 2 months.

Hey, some Russian guy said it and it was on a site that had me scroll own literally 18 pages of advertisements to get to the story, it must be true!
Who wouldn't love this shit to go Mad Max... Honestly.

[shittles]

Liberals piss me off so much. If this was Bush trying to recruit our children to serving his administration you would all be going bat shit crazy. Stop the double standard.

[brettmojo]

Liberals piss me off so much. If this was Bush trying to recruit our children to serving his administration you would all be going bat shit crazy. Stop the double standard.
I'll take the kids getting a talking to from Obama over Bush sending kids over to the middle east to get killed for no fucking reason.

[DarkHippie]

Liberals piss me off so much. If this was Bush trying to recruit our children to serving his administration you would all be going bat shit crazy. Stop the double standard.

You're looking for a conspiracy here. He's just talking to kids about how important education is. He's not telling them to get abortions while smoking crack and driving hybrids

[Dude!]

i understand that obama and his
entire cabinet will speak to the children

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[lleeder]

We should all complain to the FCC

[TheMojoPin]

earthbrown generally gives arguments that he can back up.

In what universe did you ever witness this?

[epo]

Wait...so a leader tells kids that education is good and somehow we've got a problem?

This is just stupid.

[shittles]

The Obama speech to kids is just one big step toward completely stripping kid's competitive nature and independent thought. Liberals have already paved the way with decades of self esteem, everyone is OK, peace and love, diversity bullshit

[TripleSkeet]

This thread, like most of Jezos just make me realize that its time to scrap the 2 party system. It just doesnt work anymore. And I dont think it ever will again. If you look at the comments from some of the morons on here you will see why.

Nobody gives a fuck about whats good for the country anymore. They dont care about the economy or education or foreign relations or anything that has to do with the improvement of this country. All they care about is their side winning. The preisdent of the United States wants to give a speech on the first day of school emphasizing to kids the importance of education....and this is the reaction it gets. "Hes organizing youth groups like Hitler" "They are forcing children to follow the liberal way". These comments are fucking ridiculous and stupid.

And its all because youve got a Democrat in office. The fact that these people ALWAYS refer to every Democrat as a liberal and every Republican as an ultra conservative just reinforces the fact that they arent looking at the people, all they care about is the party. When the party has become more important then the country, thats when its time to scrap it.

I dont know what the solution is, maybe limit the amount of money a party can spend on campaigning. Making it low enough that other parties can financially compete and get equal press time to try and gain supporters. I really dont know. But they have to change the way things are done or this country is always gonna be as divided as it is now. With half the country fighting the other half, refusing to go along with ideas that may help the country simply because it may be from "the enemy". People like these are why I fucking hate politics.

[shittles]

The Obama speech to kids is just one big step toward completely stripping kid's competitive nature and independent thought. Liberals have already paved the way with decades of self esteem, everyone is OK, peace and love, diversity bullshit

[Contra]

The Obama speech to kids is just one big step toward completely stripping kid's competitive nature and independent thought. Liberals have already paved the way with decades of self esteem, everyone is OK, peace and love, diversity bullshit

Yeah we saw it the first time, its still ridiculous

[TheMojoPin]

I didn't realize people thought shittles wasn't a board character.

[EliSnow]

I didn't realize people thought shittles wasn't a board character.

I guess some people didn't believe that someone would actually steal Jezo's gimmick.

[shittles]

I guess some people didn't believe that someone would actually steal Jezo's gimmick.



Just because someone is conservative here you think it is a gimmick? Just shows how liberal, Obama loving this board is.

[underdog]

I didn't realize people thought shittles wasn't a board character.

I like when people argue with him. It's funny.

[TheMojoPin]

I like when people argue with him. It's funny.

Maybe it'll turn into a Sue_Bender kind of thing where the character takes over.

[A.J.]

Wait...so a leader tells kids that education is good and somehow we've got a problem?

This is just stupid.

It's a problem when a leader has to tell kids that education is good. Shouldn't that be a given?

[EliSnow]

Just because someone is conservative here you think it is a gimmick?

No. It's because your arguments aren't rational.


And because you have the same IP address as another poster here.

[lleeder]

No. It's because your arguments aren't rational.


And because you have the same IP address as another poster here.

dan laroe?

[Furtherman]

Just because someone is conservative here you think it is a gimmick?

No. It's because your arguments aren't rational.


And because you have the same IP address as another poster here.

FACE!

Isn't that just like a conservative, hiding behind a name, not showing his true, freaky self. Probably posting on our tax dollars.

[DarkHippie]

No. It's because your arguments aren't rational.


And because you have the same IP address as another poster here.

I am Shittles. I only post as him when I am taking a dump though. My shits are painful and bloody

[keithy_19]

I don't have a problem with this, per se. I mean, it can be used as a way to 'indoctrinate' young minds. Just thinking, 'wow the president talked to us. Directly to us!' They may notice it's a Democrat and they might go with a more liberal philosophy.

But most kids are liberal anyway. So whatever.

[Furtherman]

Congrats on joining the gym keithy, that sort of crazytalk is welcome in the mens room.

Drop the soap.

[Dude!]

i bet obama is gonna take up
where Joycelyn Elders left off

and teach the kids
how to masturbate

[TheMojoPin]

I don't have a problem with this, per se. I mean, it can be used as a way to 'indoctrinate' young minds. Just thinking, 'wow the president talked to us. Directly to us!' They may notice it's a Democrat and they might go with a more liberal philosophy.

Or it's just a President speaking to kids. Like they've pretty much all done since, well, ever.

That you'd consider the "indoctrinate" thing, even like this, makes me sad. You continually try to put a logical spin on clearly gonzo, batshit stuff posted here by obvious board characters. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?

[keithy_19]

Congrats on joining the gym keithy, that sort of crazytalk is welcome in the mens room.

Drop the soap.

Yeah, there is absolutely no political motivation for this. C'mon. You're smarter than that.

[keithy_19]

Or it's just a President speaking to kids. Like they've pretty much all done since, well, ever.

That you'd consider the "indoctrinate" thing, even like this, makes me sad. You continually try to put a logical spin on clearly gonzo, batshit stuff posted here by obvious board characters. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!?!?

Indoctrinate was probably the wrong word. I feel there is political motivation for this though. Not a coniving 'we control the youth thing', but a political move that looks good. It's not all about politics, but it does play into it as well.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, there is absolutely no political motivation for this. C'mon. You're smarter than that.

Of course there is. Again, that's why Americans politicians have made themselves appear to be "for the children" FORRRRRRRRRRRREVVVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Congratulations on exposing this brilliant plan that nobody ever has ever tried ever before.

[Furtherman]

Yeah, there is absolutely no political motivation for this. C'mon. You're smarter than that.

Yea, keithy, I am, and I'm shaking my head disappointedly at you. Really? You don't even see the insanity of your last two posts. I'm afraid you're too far gone. This country will do nothing but disappoint you for the rest of your life.

[TheMojoPin]

Indoctrinate was probably the wrong word. I feel there is political motivation for this though. Not a coniving 'we control the youth thing', but a political move that looks good. It's not all about politics, but it does play into it as well.

...

I know I just addressed in my previous post, but come on...really? You think that it has to be explained or discussed that this is a calculated move to "look good?" Are you going to tell us that you think air is necessary to breathe yet? WHY DO YOU MAKE ME SO FURIOUS?!?!?!?!?? RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!

It's so by the numbers and business as usual it wouldn't have even come up except for one of the retards trying to keep their scthick going.

[Furtherman]

Indoctrinate was probably the wrong word. I feel there is political motivation for this though. Not a coniving 'we control the youth thing', but a political move that looks good. It's not all about politics, but it does play into it as well.

Perhaps the President should just sit in a locked room and keep everybody happy then? No motivation = no political motivation!

[SatCam]

This message from the President was brought to you by the letter B

http://mobasoft.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/barack-obama-official-small.jpg

[Suspect Chin]

Good Lord, you are ridiculous.

Nobody is "indoctrinating" anyone.

The majority of educators tend to fall to the Left of the political spectrum. That's based on the nature of the job: education is typically not a field that someone who is a true conservative is going to seek out. Conservative educators are not being refused positions or denied the opportunity to teach: they simply are a tiny minority in the field. The bottom line is that most conservatives do not seek out jobs that generally do not pay very well as careers. Education is ultimately a largely altruistic career choice over a material one that would lead to finnancial success or prosperity, which should make it clear to anyone with a functioning brain why the majority of people in that field would fall to the Left with their personal politics.

So people on the left are more likely to care about others? Why are ambition and altruism necessarily mutually exclusive?

Let's not forget about the hardcore Christians on the right who are driven to altruistic careers.

[TheMojoPin]

So people on the left are more likely to care about others? Why are ambition and altruism necessarily mutually exclusive?

In terms of choosing careers, yes, generally altrustic careers do not tend to foster a lot of what is perceived as career success and as such they draw in more people whose political beliefs are going to tend to be more progressive. And yes, I think it's safe to say that people on the Left are far more likely to "care about others" in terms of civilian careers defined by charity and altruism. These aren't hard and fast rules, but it's generally what you'll come across. I'm not saying this as bluntly as you're trying to make it: I'm not saying that people on the Right are heartless bastards. I'm just explaining when they tend not to be teachers.

If you disagree with this, then why do you think the majority of educators fall to the Left?

Let's not forget about the hardcore Christians on the right who are driven to altruistic careers.

Most of the people who let their Christian faith define their careers along these lines do so through private Christian organizations and schools. "Hardcore Christians" are also not indicative of most people on the Right.

[dino_electropolis]

did anyone actually hear/see the speech?

[IMSlacker]

did anyone actually hear/see the speech?

It's next Tuesday.

[Suspect Chin]

In terms of choosing careers, yes, generally altrustic careers do not tend to foster a lot of what is perceived as career success and as such they draw in more people whose political beliefs are going to tend to be more progressive. And yes, I think it's safe to say that people on the Left are far more likely to "care about others" in terms of charity and altruism. These aren't hard and fast rules, but it's generally what you'll come across.
Most of the people who let their Christian faith define their careers along these lines do so through private Christian organizations and schools. "Hardcore Christians" are also not indicative of most people on the Right.

I think that people's political beliefs are guided by their career choices, not the other way around.

I know several older people who told me they jumped on the liberal bandwagon in college and then came back to the right as they progressed in their career and started making money. I also know many union factory workers who will always be democrats because they will never make much money, need the union support, and like the idea of government handouts. They didn't choose factory work because they were democrats, they chose to be democrats because they are factory workers.

Do you really think liberal causes are rooted in the desire to help others? I believe the liberal leaders like the power that comes from having people depend on them.

[dino_electropolis]

It's next Tuesday.

Shit, really?


I was hoping this non issue would have become a non issue by the end of today.

[TheMojoPin]

I think that people's political beliefs are guided by their career choices, not the other way around.

I wasn't claiming either. I was saying that I believe that educators tend to be on the Left, not that they are educators BECAUSE they're on the Left. I'm talking about correlation and not causation.

I know several older people who told me they jumped on the liberal bandwagon in college and then came back to the right as they progressed in their career and started making money. I also know many union factory workers who will always be democrats because they will never make much money, need the union support, and like the idea of government handouts. They didn't choose factory work because they were democrats, they chose to be democrats because they are factory workers.

Again, I never was arguing that people pick their careers specifically because of their politics. I was talking about how you'll find that most educators are to the Left and why. That speaks more to personality and psychology than specific political affiliations. You're going to tend to see very clear ideological patterns in certain careers and fields.

Do you really think liberal causes are rooted in the desire to help others? I believe the liberal leaders like the power that comes from having people depend on them.

I was never applying what I was talking about to "liberal leaders" or all liberals across the board. I'm talking specifically about why educators tend to be on the Left. You seem to be trying to spin this to make it seem like I'm demonizing or attacking the Right and I'm not doing that at all.

Again, if you disagree with this, why do you think educators are overwhelmingly liberal?

[A.J.]

i bet obama is gonna take up
where Joycelyn Elders left off

and teach the kids
how to masturbate

A hand is a terrible thing to waste.

[epo]

Oh lookie....President George H.W. Bush did the same exact shit on September 12, 1989:

Bush Urges Youngsters to Help Friends on Drugs (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-urges-youngsters-to-help-friends-on-drugs.html)

President Bush pleaded with young people around the nation today to stop using drugs and ''not to look the other way'' when others do.

So Bush Sr. tells kids "Don't do drugs!" and people didn't mind, but Obama wants to tell them "Study hard" and its a problem?

The world truly has gone mad.

[IMSlacker]

What confuses me is that participation is completely voluntary (our school district isn't participating).

Shouldn't indoctrination be mandatory?

What's funny is, I'll bet there are parents in our district who will pull their kids out of class anyway, just in case.

[foodcourtdruide]

Oh lookie....President George H.W. Bush did the same exact shit on September 12, 1989:

Bush Urges Youngsters to Help Friends on Drugs (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-urges-youngsters-to-help-friends-on-drugs.html)



So Bush Sr. tells kids "Don't do drugs!" and people didn't mind, but Obama wants to tell them "Study hard" and its a problem?

The world truly has gone mad.

This is such an absurd non-issue.

[LordJezo]

Oh lookie....President George H.W. Bush did the same exact shit on September 12, 1989:

Bush Urges Youngsters to Help Friends on Drugs (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-urges-youngsters-to-help-friends-on-drugs.html)



So Bush Sr. tells kids "Don't do drugs!" and people didn't mind, but Obama wants to tell them "Study hard" and its a problem?

The world truly has gone mad.

He talked to some people on TV who wanted to listen, he did not force himself into all class rooms with mandatory meetings and presentations with followup lesson plans and other brainwash propaganda. Obama is now directly educating children with his views and bypassing any supervision.

Edit:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/

Seems like the pressure is on and they will be scaling back what they are trying to pull next week.

[IMSlacker]

He talked to some people on TV who wanted to listen, he did not force himself into all class rooms with mandatory meetings and presentations with followup lesson plans and other brainwash propaganda. Obama is now directly educating children with his views and bypassing any supervision.

Nothing is mandatory. (http://www.humble.k12.tx.us/news.htm#sept8)

As you may be aware, President Obama will be addressing the nation's school children over the internet on September 8, 2009. As classes are well-engaged in curriculum at this point in the new year, Humble ISD will not be directing a district-wide viewing of this Presidential address.

Rather, we will treat this address as we have treated Presidential Inaugurations and other national event broadcasts. Principals, in collaboration with teachers, will employ their instructional autonomy and use their professional judgement to determine if the broadcast enhances the planned curriculum and instruction in the classroom to decide whether to view the broadcast or not.

As we have done in the past, if any parent or student requests to be excused from the activity, campuses will honor this request and provide the opportunity to engage in another constructive opportunity on the campus for the duration of the broadcast.

[CurseoftheBambi]

He talked to some people on TV who wanted to listen, he did not force himself into all class rooms with mandatory meetings and presentations with followup lesson plans and other brainwash propaganda. Obama is now directly educating children with his views and bypassing any supervision.

Edit:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/

Seems like the pressure is on and they will be scaling back what they are trying to pull next week.

I'm guessing you were one of those who should have paid more attention to school when you were in it.

[LordJezo]

Nothing is mandatory. (http://www.humble.k12.tx.us/news.htm#sept8)

Of course it's not mandatory, everything is optional but with consequences for those who pick the wrong choice, but those who 'choose' to not participate will most likely be labeled as traitors and watched by the government.

No way an absolute ruling house will allow people to go against them in any way.

The seat belt law is optional for states to adopt, but if you dont then your state loses federal funding. It's blackmail and now it's being done by Obama directly.

[epo]

Of course it's not mandatory, everything is optional but with consequences for those who pick the wrong choice, but those who 'choose' to not participate will most likely be labeled as traitors and watched by the government.

No way an absolute ruling house will allow people to go against them in any way.

The seat belt law is optional for states to adopt, but if you dont then your state loses federal funding. It's blackmail and now it's being done by Obama directly.

You better set your DVR to C-Span that day. OR ELSE BEWARE THE CONSEQUENCES!

[IMSlacker]

You better set your DVR to C-Span that day. OR ELSE BEWARE THE CONSEQUENCES!

We'll DVR it and force our daughter to watch after school, Clockwork Orange style, we want to be in full compliance.

[LordJezo]

Parents are revolting!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ib8qja0qqnnbZFsHF7kP6GV9XVfQD9AG43GO0

They are not standing idly by as the great deceiver feeds lies and filth directly to their school children.

Join the boycott on September 8th

http://www.examiner.com/x-9332-Louisville-Christian-Examiner~y2009m9d3-Parents-boycott-Obama-on-September-8th-video

Let's not let America become another Belarus.

[TjM]

What is it about politics that turns people into complete fucking morons. I know the left was pretty stupid with their conspiracy theories about Bush (Suspending the constitution, Marshall law, etc) Now we have the right losing their minds.

[TjM]

What I am trying to say is I really hate people at this point

[yojimbo7248]

Parents are revolting!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ib8qja0qqnnbZFsHF7kP6GV9XVfQD9AG43GO0

They are not standing idly by as the great deceiver feeds lies and filth directly to their school children.

Join the boycott on September 8th

http://www.examiner.com/x-9332-Louisville-Christian-Examiner~y2009m9d3-Parents-boycott-Obama-on-September-8th-video

Let's not let America become another Belarus.

I thought Obama is trying to turn America into more of an Estonia than a Belarus.

[A.J.]

What I am trying to say is I really hate people at this point

Welcome to the club!

[TjM]

Welcome to the club!

Do I get a discount card or a tote bag?

[Ritalin]

I thought Obama is trying to turn America into more of an Estonia than a Belarus.

I'm looking for a new Freedonia.

[IMSlacker]

Parents are revolting!

Exactly.

[Syd]

well, one of histories greatest monsters did espouse political opinions in the same way but apparently it was ok?

PRESIDENT REAGAN: Well, thank you very much. Please, be seated. You know, this is a real treat for me, having you here, and to have in a little while the chance to answer some of your questions. Let me also offer a special hello to those of you who are watching on C-Span, or the Instructional Television Network. Thank you for inviting us into your home or your school today ...

And that is a vision that goes beyond economics and politics, it's also a moral vision, grounded in the reverence and faith of those who believe that with God's help, they could create a free and democratic nation ...

Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government ...

There was talk about having a gun ban in California. It didn't go through. But I got a letter from a man in San Quentin Prison. And from the prison he wrote me the letter to tell me he was in there for burglary, he was a burglar. And he said, "I just want you to know that if that law goes through, here in San Quentin there will be celebrating throughout the day and night by all the burglars who are in prison."

[angrymissy]

but but but he he didn't have a funny name

[yojimbo7248]

threads like this make me support Gvac's idea of getting rid of political discussions altogether (I think I remember him suggesting this somewhere). Politics in the US has become so polarized that I don't see much room for discussion with you Obama haters. It's just annoying reading your threads. You aren't going to convince me that Obama is a Kenyan-born, secret Muslim, who is trying to turn the US into Belarus. I'm sure as hell not going to convince you that Obama is a good president.

I know, I know - if I don't like these threads, don't read them. I most often don't but sometimes out of curiosity look at a Lord Jezo thread. I guess i am just annoyed with the Glen Beck, town hall, tea bagger crazies and this is the only place where I read their lunacy.

[EliSnow]

They are not standing idly by as the great deceiver feeds lies and filth directly to their school children.



The "great deceiver?"

You sound like an Iranian government official.

[CYYYFYYY]

I am not a big Obama fan but how the heck is he hurting anyone by talking to school children. He is a very good speaker. I think this is a good thing. Sheesh

[booster11373]

I truly love being a 21st century American citizen where the President of the USA talking to kids is considered controversial

[HBox]

I truly love being a 21st century American citizen where the President of the USA talking to kids is considered controversial

This is what happens when you have a large group of very stupid people making a lot of noise while the media just shrugs it shoulders instead of pointing out how obviously ridiculous it is and moving on to important things.

[HBox]

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GIVE THIS MAN A FUCKING MEDAL.

[foodcourtdruide]

I am not a big Obama fan but how the heck is he hurting anyone by talking to school children. He is a very good speaker. I think this is a good thing. Sheesh

Boy who cried wolf. When you cry about every little thing, the major things will be ignored. The people who should be annoyed most about this dumb fake controversy are other republicans.

[TheMojoPin]

This is what happens when you have a large group of very stupid people making a lot of noise while the media just shrugs it shoulders instead of pointing out how obviously ridiculous it is and moving on to important things.

Catch-22 courtesy of the "liberal media bias" myth.

[foodcourtdruide]

The more I think about this the more upset I get. It's been mentioned in this thread (I think) that if this was GW Bush making a speech to students liberals would be up in arms. I completely 100% disagree. If Obama is just going to remind students that they are the future of our country and encourage them to do well in school, who gives a shit? What a non-story and in the end, conservatives are blatantly doing what they accused liberals of implicitely doing for 8 years. They are just trying to undermine the President because he is of the opposing party.

I'm really sad. I'm going to listen to lleeder's prank calls to cheer me up.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

This speech is such a non-event. C'mon when you were in middle or HS, can you honestly even remember any speech or presentation they gave you now as an adult. Zero influence even if you didn't agree with the message. Indoctornation - paaa leeez.

[foodcourtdruide]

This speech is such a non-event. C'mon when you were in middle or HS, can you honestly even remember any speech or presentation they gave you now as an adult. Zero influence even if you didn't agree with the message. Indoctornation - paaa leeez.

I'm pretty sure I had to sit through some Presidential presentations or had some assignments to watch Presidential speeches in JHS/HS. I can honestly tell you I don't remember any of them.

[keithy_19]

I'm pretty sure I had to sit through some Presidential presentations or had some assignments to watch Presidential speeches in JHS/HS. I can honestly tell you I don't remember any of them.

I remember reading that this is the first time a president has directly spoken to the student population as a whole.

[epo]

I remember reading that this is the first time a president has directly spoken to the student population as a whole.

September 12, 1989, George H.W. Bush did it.

[keithy_19]

September 12, 1989, George H.W. Bush did it.

Fair enough. I didn't fact check the story. It was off of yahoo I think. Just talking about the speech and the 'controversy' surrounding it.

[HBox]

Fair enough. I didn't fact check the story. It was off of yahoo I think. Just talking about the speech and the 'controversy' surrounding it.

Reagan did it too and was overtly political, praising the benefits of tax cuts and such.

[foodcourtdruide]

I remember reading that this is the first time a president has directly spoken to the student population as a whole.

I def had assignments to watch states of the union. I don't remember the bush sr speech. I was 9.

[keithy_19]

I def had assignments to watch states of the union. I don't remember the bush sr speech. I was 9.

But those speeches weren't addressed specificaly to the youth. But yeah, it's what it is. I don't really care.

[HBox]

I had the most asinine argument today with some guy who has a problem with his kids watching this even accepting the fact that Obama is just encouraging kids to work hard and stay in school. Why? He wants to be there while his kids watch it. Apparently his kids can't handle it or he just doesn't want anyone talking to his kids without his supervision even if its the fucking President of the United States of America. I can't even fucking tell. I point out how ridiculously over-protective this is and that he sends his kid off to spend 7 hours a day with someone he's never met before. (Teachers) He claims he meets every single one of his children's teachers before the school year and knows them and will do so until they go to college. He has 4 kids. He claims he monitors each teacher daily and sends "corrections" on a weekly basis. And I'm a dumb ass for assuming that no one would be this fucking crazy.

I don't know if this guy was lying or there are actually 4 kids growing up in what I can only imagine is hell. If this guy was really telling the truth he encapsulates every single quality that I find revolting in parents. He seems like the kind of guy who sends out those awful PTC form letters to networks and such. The kind of guy who thinks the world revolves around his children. Whatever it is I just want to know what it is about Obama that makes all these profoundly stupid people come out of the woodwork.

[Dude!]

i have no objection to his speech in theory

they made a huge mistake, though
by suggesting he would ask students
to write letters on ways they could
help the president...
not America; the President

for all his political skill
he is incredibly tone deaf

[A.J.]

So is the American populace as a whole "indoctrinated" every time there's a primetime Presidential address?

I wish to God there was an basic intelligence test people had to pass before they could vote.

[GregoryJoseph]

What little faith these parents must have in themselves to believe that a man speaking on television could influence their children more than they could.

They should be more worried about their children's teachers indoctrinating them. That is who they spend far more time with on an interpersonal level.

[JerseySean]

So is the American populace as a whole "indoctrinated" every time there's a primetime Presidential address?

I wish to God there was an basic intelligence test people had to pass before they could vote.

I know because people who dont want their children asking themselves, how can i help the President today must just be dumb. You Democrats are just so enlightened

[A.J.]

I know because people who dont want their children asking themselves, how can i help the President today must just be dumb. You Democrats are just so enlightened

I should ban you for calling me a Democrat.

[foodcourtdruide]

I know because people who dont want their children asking themselves, how can i help the President today must just be dumb. You Democrats are just so enlightened

You are making way to big of a deal of this.

[A.J.]

What little faith these parents must have in themselves to believe that a man speaking on television could influence their children more than they could.

They should be more worried about their children's teachers indoctrinating them. That is who they spend far more time with on an interpersonal level.

This.

[Syd]

What little faith these parents must have in themselves to believe that a man speaking on television could influence their children more than they could.

They should be more worried about their children's teachers indoctrinating them. That is who they spend far more time with on an interpersonal level.

Their teachers are generally white.

[ImNotGvac]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/hypnosis_spiral.gif

Socialized Medicine is GOOD.

Capitalism is BAD.




.

[foodcourtdruide]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/hypnosis_spiral.gif

Socialized Medicine is GOOD.

Capitalism is BAD.




.

If the democrats were talking about socialized medicine this would make sense.

[Contra]

I know because people who dont want their children asking themselves, how can i help the President today must just be dumb. You Democrats are just so enlightened

Hey its a tough job, he needs the help

[underdog]

I should ban you for calling me a Democrat.

If jerseysean says something, the opposite is usually true.

[DarkHippie]

I had the most asinine argument today with some guy who has a problem with his kids watching this even accepting the fact that Obama is just encouraging kids to work hard and stay in school. Why? He wants to be there while his kids watch it. Apparently his kids can't handle it or he just doesn't want anyone talking to his kids without his supervision even if its the fucking President of the United States of America. I can't even fucking tell. I point out how ridiculously over-protective this is and that he sends his kid off to spend 7 hours a day with someone he's never met before. (Teachers) He claims he meets every single one of his children's teachers before the school year and knows them and will do so until they go to college. He has 4 kids. He claims he monitors each teacher daily and sends "corrections" on a weekly basis. And I'm a dumb ass for assuming that no one would be this fucking crazy.



This is what is really fucking up the school system. i see it all the fucking time. all it really takes is one parent to complain and the teacher is screwed (tenure really means nothing). we are constantly walking on eggshells and have to dumb down our lessons so as not to offend any parents, or else we risk losing our jobs.

I am glad I am in special education, where no one really cares.

[keithy_19]

I am glad I am in special education, where no one really cares.

Oh the irony.

[DarkHippie]

Oh the irony.

seriously

[keithy_19]

seriously

I know. It's really messed up how things are.

[angrymissy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcGlMyAg2g

Seriously? Sobbing over the President talking to your kid about education?

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[GregoryJoseph]

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[epo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcGlMyAg2g

Seriously? Sobbing over the President talking to your kid about education?

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The reactions to some on the far right-wing to this presidency is making me seriously question the "racial harmony" of this nation.

[A.J.]

The reactions to some on the far right-wing to this presidency is making me seriously question the "racial harmony" of this nation.

You didn't notice this when he was a candidate?

[epo]

You didn't notice this when he was a candidate?

I've noticed it all along, but man has it gotten to a level that is just pathetic. White suburban America needs to chill the fuck out.

[GvacNoMore]

White suburban America needs to chill the fuck out.

Are there any black people in Wisconsin?

Aside from those who play for the Packers, Bucks, and Brewers, that is.

[epo]

Are there any black people in Wisconsin?

Aside from those who play for the Packers, Bucks, and Brewers, that is.

Silly rabbit, you are thinking of Iowa.

[epo]

An advanced copy of the speech has been made available online. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/)

Study hard, blah, blah, school is important, blah, blah, education is important.

Seriously, the speech is something from a Bill Cosby lecture. White people need to chill the fuck out.

[badmonkey]

An advanced copy of the speech has been made available online. (http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/)

Study hard, blah, blah, school is important, blah, blah, education is important.

Seriously, the speech is something from a Bill Cosby lecture. White people need to chill the fuck out.

I don't think the speech was the real issue. I think it was the worksheets, the "how can I help the President" letter, and the handout for guiding the teachers on how to discuss the speech, etc. If there was nothing for anybody to object to originally, then why did they change it? White people need to chill out? There are plenty of non-whites that oppose the president. You guys keep saying that opposition to the president doesn't equal racism, but you also keep suggesting that it's only racist white people that have a problem with him. Make up your mind. You wanna talk about racism? How about that Van Jones? He's Rev. Wright Lite.

[Syd]

I don't think the speech was the real issue. I think it was the worksheets, the "how can I help the President" letter, and the handout for guiding the teachers on how to discuss the speech, etc. If there was nothing for anybody to object to originally, then why did they change it?

How are any of those things going to indoctrinate kids? Furthermore, since when can kids vote?

There was nothing for anybody to object to; Fox News and others scrambling to become the figurehead for the Republican Party ramped this up into being an issue. It's the death throes of a party that is sustained entirely by both Southern and racist whites.

[KatPw]

Ronald Reagan made me do those shitting Presidential Fitness tests every year. We had to watch speeches by all the Presidents growing up. I had to sit through Carter, Reagan, and the first Bush. I also had their wives telling me I should say no to drugs and such.
How the fuck is this any different? Oh wait because it's not a white person lecturing our children.

[red_red_red]

Ronald Reagan made me do those shitting Presidential Fitness tests every year. We had to watch speeches by all the Presidents growing up. I had to sit through Carter, Reagan, and the first Bush. I also had their wives telling me I should say no to drugs and such.
How the fuck is this any different? Oh wait because it's not a white person lecturing our children.
I can opt Katlyn out of this speech, all i have to do is send a note. I want a head count from her about how many kids sat out. My bet is 3/4 of all the white kids. Sad.

[west milly Tom]

How are any of those things going to indoctrinate kids? Furthermore, since when can kids vote?

There was nothing for anybody to object to; Fox News and others scrambling to become the figurehead for the Republican Party ramped this up into being an issue. It's the death throes of a party that is sustained entirely by both Southern and racist whites.

Eat a dick budday. I am neither racist or southern and I don't think your analysis is correct. You're easily the farthest left poster here and ever have I personally insulted you. Until now I really respected your opinion been though I disagreed. I'm sorry I gave you any credit at all. On topic now, I said it at the beginning of this thread and ill repeat it here its a non-issue. Presidential speeches to kids are generally benine. Obamas message is no different.

[disneyspy]

I can opt Katlyn out of this speech, all i have to do is send a note. I want a head count from her about how many kids sat out. My bet is 3/4 of all the white kids. Sad.

ya but you live in a state that is red red red

[KatPw]

I can opt Katlyn out of this speech, all i have to do is send a note. I want a head count from her about how many kids sat out. My bet is 3/4 of all the white kids. Sad.

Unbelievable. My stomach is turning for you right now. Seriously, it just did a flip.

[red_red_red]

ya but you live in a state that is red red red
So? I grew up in a blue state and this was never once an issue. i call white tricks on this garbage. There was never an option to not listen to Mr. Reagan crap on about the dangers of drugs.

[disneyspy]

So? I grew up in a blue state and this was never once an issue. i call white tricks on this garbage. There was never an option to not listen to Mr. Reagan crap on about the dangers of drugs.

i figgered you were talkin bout the kids in georgia,we all know they're just racist rednecks

[red_red_red]

Unbelievable. My stomach is turning for you right now. Seriously, it just did a flip.
Yeah, even Katlyn, who could care less about politics knows that this all about race. I'll give the school district props tho, when i got the memo their words were " We fully support our Commander In Chief and will be broadcasting..."etc.
But then the whole opt out option...pussies. they are afraid of pissing whitey off. I wash my hands of this town, that'll be the 3rd time :laugh:

[west milly Tom]

Unbelievable. My stomach is turning for you right now. Seriously, it just did a flip.


It is fucked up. There are much more important issues to focus on. I don't like his policies but opting your child out is simply crazy talk.

[red_red_red]

i figgered you were talkin bout the kids in georgia,we all know they're just racist rednecks
:laugh: so true...ya can tell by the accent who is racist or not

[HBox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgcGlMyAg2g

Seriously? Sobbing over the President talking to your kid about education?

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Reposting because of its relevancy.

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[disneyspy]

:laugh: so true...ya can tell by the accent who is racist or not

hey,guys from NY/NJ all have faggy accents but i'm sure they're not all gay

[west milly Tom]

hey,guys from NY/NJ all have faggy accents but i'm sure they're not all gay



Dontcha know...

[KatPw]

Yeah, even Katlyn, who could care less about politics knows that this all about race. I'll give the school district props tho, when i got the memo their words were " We fully support our Commander In Chief and will be broadcasting..."etc.
But then the whole opt out option...pussies. they are afraid of pissing whitey off. I wash my hands of this town, that'll be the 3rd time :laugh:
You must have very clean hands. :laugh:

It is fucked up. There are much more important issues to focus on. I don't like his policies but opting your child out is simply crazy talk.
Exactly. You don't have to like the guy or his policies, but the kids should listen nonetheless. Basically it is sending a message to the kids that they don't have to listen to something if they don't want to and if it doesn't match their beliefs 100%. It's like an intellectual self-segregation in a way. They are teaching the kids to tune out. How can you form your own opinion if you don't hear both sides? And wasn't "tuning out" a philosophy of Timothy Leary? So the right are supporting hippies like Leary now? It's like bizarro world.
And the fact that Fox is not going to give the speech airtime. WTF is that shit. When we all were growing up every speech by every President was on every channel, except cable. That was it. You didn't want to watch it, then you watched cable (if you had it) or you did something else.

[west milly Tom]

You must have very clean hands. :laugh:


Exactly. You don't have to like the guy or his policies, but the kids should listen nonetheless. Basically it is sending a message to the kids that they don't have to listen to something if they don't want to and if it doesn't match their beliefs 100%. It's like an intellectual self-segregation in a way. They are teaching the kids to tune out. How can you form your own opinion if you don't hear both sides? And wasn't "tuning out" a philosophy of Timothy Leary? So the right are supporting hippies like Leary now? It's like bizarro world.
And the fact that Fox is not going to give the speech airtime. WTF is that shit. When we all were growing up every speech by every President was on every channel, except cable. That was it. You didn't want to watch it, then you watched cable (if you had it) or you did something else.

Very well said.

[KatPw]

Thanks Tom. Mike thinks that all this crap going on goes hand in hand with the end of teaching Critical Thinking skills in school. Apparently we want our kids to follow directions, not think. You want your kids to learn to think then you better have the money for private school or home school them.

[Syd]

Eat a dick budday. I am neither racist or southern and I don't think your analysis is correct. You're easily the farthest left poster here and ever have I personally insulted you. Until now I really respected your opinion been though I disagreed. I'm sorry I gave you any credit at all. On topic now, I said it at the beginning of this thread and ill repeat it here its a non-issue. Presidential speeches to kids are generally benine. Obamas message is no different.

Keep kidding yourself that you're in any way part of the strength behind the Republican party. Any ideological similarities you have with the Republican party at this point is simply a coincidence. It's a party bent on exploiting its own members and scapegoats for just a bit more profit. There's no such thing as small government, just big business. Look at any Republican's actions in the past decade -- ignore their words. It's been a continual ramp up of government expenditure on private contractors. Government, if anything, has exploded under Republican rule. They might not be interfering in your life directly but they're sure as shit creating businesses that will.

So please, keep with the notion that you're in any way a Republican. They've spent good money and used quite a bit of TV time to convince you that you are still one of them.

[badmonkey]

I wouldn't keep my kid out of school and make them miss the speech. I think that's silly. I'm sketchy on the extra assignment stuff, but now that it's "What are my goals and how can I reach them?" and not "How can I help the President?" I'm not all that concerned with it. I can read or watch the speech myself if I want and I can talk about it with my kids and if there was anything I disagreed with, I can explain that to my children as well. I don't see any reason to separate my the kids from a classroom event like that, especially with idiots running around here saying that people that disagree with Obama are racists. I can take handle that better than a middle/high school student. I find the accusations of racism that are being leveled at people that disagree with the Democratic party far more offensive and dangerous and offensive than anything that Obama could possibly say in a public speech to my children at their school.

[A.J.]

It's been a continual ramp up of government expenditure on private contractors.

Yeah, they're the scum of the earth.

[Ritalin]

Yeah, they're the scum of the earth.

Leeches, parasites, the whole lot.

[west milly Tom]

Keep kidding yourself that you're in any way part of the strength behind the Republican party. Any ideological similarities you have with the Republican party at this point is simply a coincidence. It's a party bent on exploiting its own members and scapegoats for just a bit more profit. There's no such thing as small government, just big business. Look at any Republican's actions in the past decade -- ignore their words. It's been a continual ramp up of government expenditure on private contractors. Government, if anything, has exploded under Republican rule. They might not be interfering in your life directly but they're sure as shit creating businesses that will.

So please, keep with the notion that you're in any way a Republican. They've spent good money and used quite a bit of TV time to convince you that you are still one of them.


I'm an independent. I think for myself. I very rarely watch fox news or listen to ABC talk other than the Mark Levin show because he is a constitutional lawyer and a real conservative. It may surprise you to learn that I listen mostly to the programming on NPR as I find the news there more reporting and less ranting. I catch. I catch both the morning and evening news cycles before ever turning on 202.
The republicans erk me just as much as democrats, it is true conservative thought that I believe in. The notion that independent free people are able to take care of themselves just fine and that free enterprise is the greatest path for innovation and successful economy. What you believe in is selling Americans into slavery and bondage to government and tyranny. Stateisim is akin to the death of our nation.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Says it all...no words needed

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/SqOx4wZ76KI/AAAAAAAAcBU/W4i2_j9TUZc/s400/ObamaEducashun

[Jujubees2]

Says it all...no words needed

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/SqOx4wZ76KI/AAAAAAAAcBU/W4i2_j9TUZc/s400/ObamaEducashun


QFT

[Syd]

I'm an independent. I think for myself. I very rarely watch fox news or listen to ABC talk other than the Mark Levin show because he is a constitutional lawyer and a real conservative. It may surprise you to learn that I listen mostly to the programming on NPR as I find the news there more reporting and less ranting. I catch. I catch both the morning and evening news cycles before ever turning on 202.
The republicans erk me just as much as democrats, it is true conservative thought that I believe in. The notion that independent free people are able to take care of themselves just fine and that free enterprise is the greatest path for innovation and successful economy. What you believe in is selling Americans into slavery and bondage to government and tyranny. Stateisim is akin to the death of our nation.

You might check up on the Gilded Age and see exactly how destructive free enterprise is to a nation. Without the ability for society to protect itself, it will be exploited. If you give up your right to rule yourself for the sake of innovation (which won't come without government subsidies) then you're selling yourself into wage slavery.

This is exactly where the money has been spent: convincing the populace that the government is some other entity. Government is you, and you are government. With all the hullabaloo thrown around about OUR SOLDIERS DIED FOR THIS AND THAT the fact of the matter is if there is one thing they died for its the ability for this nation to remain with a government that is democratically elected, freely chosen from the populace. Government represents you, business resents you. That is, of course, unless you buy from them.

Honestly, how can you think that business exists to better your life? It exists to create more profits for the shareholders. Government at least exists under the notion of creating a better life for you. Whether they hold to it or not is certainly another thing but I don't remember seeing corporations running to rebuild Florida or Louisiana or California or anywhere there are natural disasters.

It's all pretty harsh, knowing people are willing to give up class mobility for their and everyone elses children by buying into this. America's greatest years came when class mobility was at its peak. All through the late 40s till the 70s there was a peak of science, art and prosperity.

Nowadays, our wages remain flat. Adjusting for inflation, the average income family makes little more now than they did in 1980. Just keep telling yourself that corporations are the answer. They like it that way, saves them some advertising money. Inch out a bit more profit for that next earnings report.

[TjM]

Says it all...no words needed

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/SqOx4wZ76KI/AAAAAAAAcBU/W4i2_j9TUZc/s400/ObamaEducashun

All he needs is some facial hair and a bottle of bud and it could be Ant

[booster11373]

You might check up on the Gilded Age and see exactly how destructive free enterprise is to a nation. Without the ability for society to protect itself, it will be exploited. If you give up your right to rule yourself for the sake of innovation (which won't come without government subsidies) then you're selling yourself into wage slavery.

This is exactly where the money has been spent: convincing the populace that the government is some other entity. Government is you, and you are government. With all the hullabaloo thrown around about OUR SOLDIERS DIED FOR THIS AND THAT the fact of the matter is if there is one thing they died for its the ability for this nation to remain with a government that is democratically elected, freely chosen from the populace. Government represents you, business resents you. That is, of course, unless you buy from them.

Honestly, how can you think that business exists to better your life? It exists to create more profits for the shareholders. Government at least exists under the notion of creating a better life for you. Whether they hold to it or not is certainly another thing but I don't remember seeing corporations running to rebuild Florida or Louisiana or California or anywhere there are natural disasters.

It's all pretty harsh, knowing people are willing to give up class mobility for their and everyone elses children by buying into this. America's greatest years came when class mobility was at its peak. All through the late 40s till the 70s there was a peak of science, art and prosperity.

Nowadays, our wages remain flat. Adjusting for inflation, the average income family makes little more now than they did in 1980. Just keep telling yourself that corporations are the answer. They like it that way, saves them some advertising money. Inch out a bit more profit for that next earnings report.

:clap:

[LordJezo]

Fox News was on at the gym today so I got to see the sad aftermath of this indoctrination, the children had no idea that they were just mast the first generation of Mao-like US children being forced to watch their glorious leader preach to them and gain their support at an early age. It's a perfect move by those in power. Get elected an MTV superstar, have him brainwash the youth at an early age to view him as the only power figure worth listening to, and then have them vote in whatever way they are needed when the become of age.

Much like the communists had the little red book we have Obama forcing his way on all those too young to understand that they are being used to dismantle America and make it into a dictatorship.

[A.J.]

Fox News was on at the gym today

What else would be?

[epo]

Fox News was on at the gym today so I got to see the sad aftermath of this indoctrination, the children had no idea that they were just mast the first generation of Mao-like US children being forced to watch their glorious leader preach to them and gain their support at an early age. It's a perfect move by those in power. Get elected an MTV superstar, have him brainwash the youth at an early age to view him as the only power figure worth listening to, and then have them vote in whatever way they are needed when the become of age.

Much like the communists had the little red book we have Obama forcing his way on all those too young to understand that they are being used to dismantle America and make it into a dictatorship.

Sort of like the generation of young boys that grew up to vote for Ronald Reagan despite his record being contrary to their interests?

You've figured out our evil plan! Jezo is the one! LOCK HIM UP NOW!

[Crispy123]

What else would be?

Gay porn???

[Zorro]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

[Furtherman]

Jezo's shtick is becoming hack. That wasn't even remotely insane.

[HBox]

All the kids in my neighborhood are walking around like zombies, putting up Obama signs and talking about society's moral imperative to provide health care to the sick and combat global warming. MY GOD THEY WERE RIGHT! I WAS A FOOL!

[LordJezo]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

shh.. Obama is not to be investigated or talked badly about. If you do then you are a racist and against the party.

Talking bad about either Bush is hip and in style and what all the cool people do, as you can see from this message board. Obama's every word and moved is praised as almost holy, then in order to be part of the crowd you blame Bush for everything and MTV will love you.

[angrymissy]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

And it was just as dumb then as it is now.

At least then they waited until after the actual speech to take issue with it.

[KatPw]

Fox News was on at the gym today so I got to see the sad aftermath of this indoctrination, the children had no idea that they were just mast the first generation of Mao-like US children being forced to watch their glorious leader preach to them and gain their support at an early age. It's a perfect move by those in power. Get elected an MTV superstar, have him brainwash the youth at an early age to view him as the only power figure worth listening to, and then have them vote in whatever way they are needed when the become of age.

Much like the communists had the little red book we have Obama forcing his way on all those too young to understand that they are being used to dismantle America and make it into a dictatorship.

So you didn't have to sit through the speeches of Carter, Bush I, or Reagan? Were you growing up before television or were you home schooled?

[red_red_red]

i'll have the head count from Katlyn's class @ 3:30

[KatPw]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

FTFA:
"The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."
So what are your alt names on Fark, because I think I have been calling you a troll over there all morning.

[KatPw]

And it was just as dumb then as it is now.

At least then they waited until after the actual speech to take issue with it.

And the outrage was over the fact that DOE funds were used to pay for the speech, while at the same time DOE funds were being cut for programs. It had nothing to do with the content of Bush's speech, it had to do with where the money came from. It's comparing apples and elephants.

[badmonkey]

How much did the DOE spend for the worksheets for today's speech?
What funds were used to "produce and televise" today's speech?

The issues people had, were not him speaking to the children. It was the accompanying materials that were submitted to the teachers for classroom use following the speech.

[red_red_red]

big letdown...no one in her homeroom opted out. this is progress people!

[KatPw]

How much did the DOE spend for the worksheets for today's speech?
What funds were used to "produce and televise" today's speech?

The issues people had, were not him speaking to the children. It was the accompanying materials that were submitted to the teachers for classroom use following the speech.
So you are saying that the parents were on the news crying about Obama because he used DOE money to pay for his worksheets? That is not what is going on. Bush was investigated for using DOE funds, that is what people were up in arms about back then. The people that were complaining about Obama speaking to the kids were saying he was going to indoctrinate them. No mention was made about worksheets. If he used DOE money they should go after him, but that is not what this is about. Hence apples to elephants.

[badmonkey]

So you are saying that the parents were on the news crying about Obama because he used DOE money to pay for his worksheets? That is not what is going on. Bush was investigated for using DOE funds, that is what people were up in arms about. The people that were complaining about Obama speaking to the kids were saying he was going to indoctrinate them. If he used DOE money they should go after him, but that is not what this is about. Hence apples to elephants.

They were upset about the content of the worksheets, not where the funds came from for printing. Nobody in their right mind has an issue with the President of the United States of America speaking to their children about the value of education. When the person that holds that office tried to have teachers give them a writing assignment of "How can I help the President?", is when the problems started. I would not support a republican asking my kids to write a letter to themselves about how they can help him/her either. I think the speech today was good and I hope the kids that heard it actually listened.

[underdog]

The issues people had, were not him speaking to the children. It was the accompanying materials that were submitted to the teachers for classroom use following the speech.

Most people screaming about it have no idea about the accompanying materials. They're just saying something they heard someone else say.

[underdog]

Nobody in their right mind has an issue with the President of the United States of America speaking to their children about the value of education.

I would agree that people of their right mind have no issue. It's not people of a sane mind that are screaming about it.

[KatPw]

They were upset about the content of the worksheets, not where the funds came from for printing. Nobody in their right mind has an issue with the President of the United States of America speaking to their children about the value of education. When the person that holds that office tried to have teachers give them a writing assignment of "How can I help the President?", is when the problems started. I would not support a republican asking my kids to write a letter to themselves about how they can help him/her either. I think the speech today was good and I hope the kids that heard it actually listened.

So when Bush said Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals., that was all fine and good. Obama says to write about "how can I help the President" and that is bad. Help me out here, I'm not up on my Animal Farm anymore but "two legs bad, four legs good?" Or is it "four legs good, two legs best?"

[badmonkey]

So when Bush said , that was all fine and good. Obama says to write about "how can I help the President" and that is bad. Help me out here, I'm not up on my Animal Farm anymore but "two legs bad, four legs good?" Or is it "four legs good, two legs best?"

Here is the part of the speech where George H. W. Bush laid out the goals:

Progress starts when we ask more of ourselves, our schools and, yes, you, our students. We made a start nationally now by setting six National Education Goals to meet the challenges of the 21st century. By the year 2000, at least 9 in every 10 students should graduate from high school. We should be first in the world in math and science. We need to regularly test student's abilities. Every American child should start school ready to learn; every American adult should be literate; and every American school should be safe and drug-free. Reaching those goals is the aim of a strategy that we call America 2000, a crusade for excellence in American education, school by school, community by community.

Here is the part of the speech where George H. W. Bush said to write him a letter:

Let me leave you with a simple message: Every time you walk through that classroom door, make it your mission to get a good education. Don't do it just because your parents, or even the President, tells you. Do it for yourselves. Do it for your future. And while you're at it, help a little brother or sister to learn, or maybe even Mom or Dad. Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address.

Here is the place where you can read the full transcript of the speech in it's entirety:
http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450

I just read the speech and it's very similar to the speech given today as far as message. He starts the speech by talking about how they're probably used to people talking at them, etc and that he's there to talk to them. He ends the speech by making them feel like he's genuinely interested in hearing about their progress. The part about the letter sounds more like when somebody tells you "my door's always open".

[KatPw]

So how was what Obama was saying today that was any different from that? What did these people object to?

[badmonkey]

So how was what Obama was saying today that was any different from that? What did these people object to?

They objected to the content of the worksheets being distributed by his administration to students and they objected to the written assignment of "How do I help the President?"

The assignment wasn't "how can I achieve these educational goals". It was "How can I help the President".

That was the objection.

[KatPw]

They objected to the content of the worksheets being distributed by his administration to students and they objected to the written assignment of "How do I help the President?"

The assignment wasn't "how can I achieve these educational goals". It was "How can I help the President".

That was the objection.

This is not about worksheets.
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None of those people mentioned worksheets. And again, how is Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address. different from "how can I help the President".

[Zorro]

So you are saying that the parents were on the news crying about Obama because he used DOE money to pay for his worksheets? That is not what is going on. Bush was investigated for using DOE funds, that is what people were up in arms about back then. The people that were complaining about Obama speaking to the kids were saying he was going to indoctrinate them. No mention was made about worksheets. If he used DOE money they should go after him, but that is not what this is about. Hence apples to elephants.

Sorry, I have no alt names. My online life is limited to occasional posts on RF.net.

I think you're splitting hairs on the Bush/Obama thing. Neither one of these things make sense, but that has where our politics has gotten us. Everything today is hyperpolitical and as Robert Gibbs said "Silly Season" has opened.

[MacVittie]

where can I download this speech? i think my 8th period class would greatly benefit from watching it.

[CurseoftheBambi]

All he needs is some facial hair and a bottle of bud and it could be Ant

i say we submit that to one of the photoshop geniuses and see what they can do.

[badmonkey]

This is not about worksheets.
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mgcGlMyAg2g&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mgcGlMyAg2g&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

None of those people mentioned worksheets. And again, how is different from "how can I help the President".

Read the speech, see what the man said, and think for yourself. George H. W. Bush is telling the kids that he's interested in how they are doing with the education goals as laid out in his speech. I quoted them for you in an earlier post. If after you read it, you still think he meant for the children to write him a letter about how they will help him achieve his goals, then you're no different from the few that just didn't want him talking to their children at all regardless of the context. There are some of those on the right wing, I'm sure, but they are not the majority that you are trying to paint them to be.

President George H. W. Bush's Speech Transcript (http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450)
President Barack Obama's Speech (http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/)

You can download the video here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/

Classroom Engagement Resources

* Menu of classroom activities for students in grades preK-6 to stimulate discussion on the importance of education in students’ lives (http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf)
* Menu of classroom activities for students in grades 7-12 to stimulate discussion on the importance of education in students’ lives (http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7-12.pdf)

[TheMojoPin]

They objected to the content of the worksheets being distributed by his administration to students and they objected to the written assignment of "How do I help the President?"

The assignment wasn't "how can I achieve these educational goals". It was "How can I help the President".

That was the objection.

For the life of me I cannot figure out a single rational reason for someone to be opposed to such a thing in regards to any President, regardless of the political affiliation.

How is it detrimental to any child to ask them to write something in regards to how they would help this or any other President?

[TheMojoPin]

Fox News was on at the gym today so I got to see the sad aftermath of this indoctrination, the children had no idea that they were just mast the first generation of Mao-like US children being forced to watch their glorious leader preach to them and gain their support at an early age. It's a perfect move by those in power. Get elected an MTV superstar, have him brainwash the youth at an early age to view him as the only power figure worth listening to, and then have them vote in whatever way they are needed when the become of age.

Much like the communists had the little red book we have Obama forcing his way on all those too young to understand that they are being used to dismantle America and make it into a dictatorship.

Jezo posted this at 1:30 this afternoon. He also makes it clear he was at the gym earlier.

Sounds like another freeloading bum without a job suckling at the teet of our tax dollars.

[hanso]

Fox News was on at the gym today so I got to see the sad aftermath of this indoctrination, the children had no idea that they were just mast the first generation of Mao-like US children being forced to watch their glorious leader preach to them and gain their support at an early age. It's a perfect move by those in power. Get elected an MTV superstar, have him brainwash the youth at an early age to view him as the only power figure worth listening to, and then have them vote in whatever way they are needed when the become of age.

Much like the communists had the little red book we have Obama forcing his way on all those too young to understand that they are being used to dismantle America and make it into a dictatorship.

Even if just some of this was true. (which it is not).
It would still be far greater then the rights scare tactics.
Because this would fall under positive reinforcement.

I read in the op/ed section of my newspaper some old lady saying that she would take a "death pill" from the Dems.
These kind of scare tactics used on elders (who vote Gop anyway).
Will have sickening results on these poor souls who follow this bunk.
Keep hate alive.

[GvacNoMore]

And so it begins...

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/junior-hitler-youth.jpg

[Dan 'Hampton]

big letdown...no one in her homeroom opted out. this is progress people!

NO SHIT. Fuck the government and the two party system. We're all being used against each other. Stupid rubes.

[keithy_19]

Even if just some of this was true. (which it is not).
It would still be far greater then the rights scare tactics.
Because this would fall under positive reinforcement.

I read in the op/ed section of my newspaper some old lady saying that she would take a "death pill" from the Dems.
These kind of scare tactics used on elders (who vote Gop anyway).
Will have sickening results on these poor souls who follow this bunk.
Keep hate alive.

I always thought the elderly voted Democrat.

[TheMojoPin]

I always thought the elderly voted Democrat.

The elderly are generally the most politically active (in terms of voting and donating) with both parties.

Again, that alone should be clue #1 as to why the idea of "death panels" and the government wanting the elderly to die is fucking bonkers. That and common sense and sanity.

[angrymissy]

I always thought the elderly voted Democrat.

53% GOP, 45% Dem in the '08 Presidential Election.
54% GOP, 46% Dem in the '04 Presidential Election

[Fez4PrezN2008]

My son said he was not given the opportunity to even see/hear the speech. I am upset that this was taken away by a bunch of crybaby conspiracy theorist wackos.

Should I call the HS to complain?

[TooLowBrow]

My son said he was not given the opportunity to even see/hear the speech. I am upset that this was taken away by a bunch of crybaby conspiracy theorist wackos.

Should I call the HS to complain?

high school?

wasnt this just for little kids?




little kids need a tv in the classroom

they never use it, until the president has something to say

tvs in every classroom!

a wise investment

[Fez4PrezN2008]

high school?

wasnt this just for little kids
I dunno, maybe so. Guess they really were going for the younger minds to mold.

[HBox]

My son said he was not given the opportunity to even see/hear the speech. I am upset that this was taken away by a bunch of crybaby conspiracy theorist wackos.

Should I call the HS to complain?

The last thing they need is more people complaining about meaningless crap.

[A.J.]

And so it begins...

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/junior-hitler-youth.jpg

"Love your suit."

http://stevemasonsmog.typepad.com/.a/6a00e3982071838833011279738ce528a4-320wi

[TheMojoPin]

I guess the "new" Gvac didn't take.

[hanso]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/junior-hitler-youth.jpg
"I will forward this to Penthouse immediately."

[Furtherman]

What will happen to the zombie kids who watched Obama's speech yesterday and then watch his Health Care speech tonight? My god... They may turn into Gremlins!

[hanso]

Delinquents will be dispensing democratic death pills diligently.
No hospice? no problem. we will come to you!

[booster11373]

What will happen to the zombie kids who watched Obama's speech yesterday and then watch his Health Care speech tonight? My god... They may turn into Gremlins!

Just as long as they dont turn in to Germans

[TooLowBrow]

Just as long as they dont turn in to Germans

too late

i saw some kids on the way home from school and they were spraffin ze german