No congressman should yell "you lie" to the prez at a joint session

[Dude!]

i don't care what side everyone is on
i myself am not a huge fan of obama
however no one should yell "you lie"
to the prez in the halls of congress

that is stuff that happened in the 1850's
like when Rep. Preston Brooks beat
Sen. Sumner senseless with a
guttapercha cane

shame on you Joe Wilson

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_heckling

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Obama looked pissed for a second too. That was really bad form. Apparently he issued an apology immediately after the speech, but still, not cool.

[TooLowBrow]

what kind of moron doesnt just put his thoughts into order

and if he disagrees with something, presents facts in an intelligent manner?



and what kind of morons vote for this moron?

[9mileskid]

but he was lying until tonite when 17 million of the countries uninsured disapeared.
funny how the numbers change when the president has to quote them

[CuntagiousChris]

Fucking republicans are gettin out of hand...he still the president whether you like it or not goddamnit

[King Imp]

I personally love that even the Republicans have turned on this guy after that.

He probably thought he was all witty and would have the backing of his party, but they left him out to dry. I love it! :thumbup:

[MacVittie]

I thought that Pelosi's reaction was the best... her mind was completely blown.

[epo]

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[O&A Sycophant #155]

I have to give a lot of credit (or "props" as the schwoogies say) to Joe Wilson. Someone needed to tell it like it is. Osama went and called out the GOP for being liars, so why not fire back when he stands up there spewing lies for nearly an hour? Needless to say, I'm going to be contributing to Rep. Wilson's campaign.

[epo]

Rep. Joe Wilson's challenger in 2010 has raised over 50K in 3 hours on the internet via Act Blue alone.

Its amazing how the internet can mobilize nationwide support for a candidate.

[jennysmurf]

Fucking republicans are gettin out of hand...he still the president whether you like it or not goddamnit

Exactly. Whether or not you agree, he is the president. The title alone commands your respect. That was way out of order.:thumbdown:

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Let Joe know what you think - Linky (http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm)

[Dudeman]

As per Newsweek, "And for the record, Wilson was wrong: HR 3200, the health care bill under debate in the House, explicitly prohibits coverage for illegal immigrants.":nono::lol::bye:

[The Jays]

I have to give a lot of credit (or "props" as the schwoogies say) to Joe Wilson. Someone needed to tell it like it is. Osama went and called out the GOP for being liars, so why not fire back when he stands up there spewing lies for nearly an hour? Needless to say, I'm going to be contributing to Rep. Wilson's campaign.

You are an example of why your party is a laughing stock of rubes, morons, and lunatics who are bat shit crazy when they don't have power, and simply dangerous when they do.

And you think Democrats are ruining the country? Ha! With people like Joe Wilson representing people, your party has successfully removed all decorum, civility, and respect for high office. Congratulations, you've just helped to devolve our democracy.

[underdog]

You are an example of why your party is a laughing stock of rubes, morons, and lunatics who are bat shit crazy when they don't have power, and simply dangerous when they do.

And you think Democrats are ruining the country? Ha! With people like Joe Wilson representing people, your party has successfully removed all decorum, civility, and respect for high office. Congratulations, you've just helped to devolve our democracy.

Psst... you're arguing with a pretty obvious board character.

[foodcourtdruide]

Psst... you're arguing with a pretty obvious board character.

O&A Sychophant #153 is a board character, 155 is the real deal.

[EliSnow]

During the last few years of his term, George W. Bush was disliked by the majority of the public, the democrats and a lot of his own party, which were distancing themselves from him, and you never heard someone yell "you lie."

Yes, health care is volatile as seen by the town hall meetings, but our leaders should be able to conduct themselves more professionally.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/melouisephb/wilsonlie.jpg

[Furtherman]

Oh Wilson, punch you in the eye!

[angrymissy]

Heard on the radio this AM that the candidate running against him has received over $100k in donations overnight.

[A.J.]

A real Speaker wouldn't have let that stand.

"Or-DAH!"

http://images.parliament.uk/indexplus/db_assets/9/199/v0_master.jpg

[west milly Tom]

He did lie. He lied about the number if uninsured. He lied about how much it would cost. He lied about not taxing the middle class to pay for it. He lied about a number of other things too. Cue liberal circle jerk*

[EliSnow]

He did lie. He lied about the number if uninsured. He lied about how much it would cost. He lied about not taxing the middle class to pay for it. He lied about a number of other things too. Cue liberal circle jerk*

That's not the issue of the thread. Dude! probably agrees with you on this point, but as he said, you don't yell at him in this situation.

[west milly Tom]

Maybe they'll work it out over a beer.

[EliSnow]

Maybe they'll work it out over a beer.

No need. The guy has been lambasted by people on both parties, and so far no one supports him.

Obama doesn't have to do shit. This guy has apologized and probably will be groveling on the floor of the House today.

[foodcourtdruide]

He did lie. He lied about the number if uninsured. He lied about how much it would cost. He lied about not taxing the middle class to pay for it. He lied about a number of other things too. Cue liberal circle jerk*

The cost and effect on the middle class are still yet to be seen, but he said there were 30 million uninsured. How many do you think there are?

[DarkHippie]

During the last few years of his term, George W. Bush was disliked by the majority of the public, the democrats and a lot of his own party, which were distancing themselves from him, and you never heard someone yell "you lie."


But you did hear the VP tell a senator to "go fuck himself"

[TheMojoPin]

Maybe they'll work it out over a beer.

Wait, what does that have to do with any of this?

[DarkHippie]

The cost and effect on the middle class are still yet to be seen, but he said there were 30 million uninsured. How many do you think there are?

I think that 30 million is an underestimate. I have heard numbers being as high as 50 million.

[CountryBob]

R-E-S-P-E-C-T - find out what it means to me.

[foodcourtdruide]

I think that 30 million is an underestimate. I have heard numbers being as high as 50 million.

He wasn't including illegal immigrants.

[EliSnow]

But you did hear the VP tell a senator to "go fuck himself"

Was it during a speech by the Senator on the Senate floor?

[Dude!]

That's not the issue of the thread. Dude! probably agrees with you on this point, but as he said, you don't yell at him in this situation.

exactly

[HBox]

He took out the number of illegal aliens in the estimated amount of people without insurance. That's why he said 30 million American citizens. The people complaining about this are either pissed that they missed out on a chance to scream "OH YOU ARE GOING TO COVER ILLEGAL ALIENS!" or they are the stupid death panel people who know nothing about this issue and just repeat what they hear from someone else.

[A.J.]

But you did hear the VP tell a senator to "go fuck himself"

Unfortunately, it was not on national TV.

[epo]

He did lie. He lied about the number if uninsured. He lied about how much it would cost. He lied about not taxing the middle class to pay for it. He lied about a number of other things too. Cue liberal circle jerk*

The questioned moment was not about your run-on sentence, but rather about the illegal immigrant issue. On that issue, Wilson was dead wrong...hence making him a bigger idiot in this case.

Stop trying to justify his doucheyness.

[west milly Tom]

The number of uninsured drops by 15 million whe you factor in households making more than 75K. It drops another 10 when you factor in illegals and another 10 when factoring in people on medicaid and other government provided care. These numbers come from the last census and the Heritage Foundation estimates the number of actual uninsured at 12M. Also according to the GAO Obama's cost projection was 2 TRILLION off.

[foodcourtdruide]

The number of uninsured drops by 15 million whe you factor in households making more than 75K. It drops another 10 when you factor in illegals and another 10 when factoring in people on medicaid and other government provided care. These numbers come from the last census and the Heritage Foundation estimates the number of actual uninsured at 12M. Also according to the GAO Obama's cost projection was 2 TRILLION off.

Why wouldn't you factor in people making over 75k?

[epo]

The number of uninsured drops by 15 million whe you factor in households making more than 75K. It drops another 10 when you factor in illegals and another 10 when factoring in people on medicaid and other government provided care. These numbers come from the last census and the Heritage Foundation estimates the number of actual uninsured at 12M. Also according to the GAO Obama's cost projection was 2 TRILLION off.

What does this have to do with Representative Wilson disgracing his office?

Oh wait, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[west milly Tom]

Why wouldn't you factor in people making over 75k?


Because they're choosing to be uninsured, not unable to get coverage.

[angrymissy]

The number of uninsured drops by 15 million whe you factor in households making more than 75K. It drops another 10 when you factor in illegals and another 10 when factoring in people on medicaid and other government provided care. These numbers come from the last census and the Heritage Foundation estimates the number of actual uninsured at 12M. Also according to the GAO Obama's cost projection was 2 TRILLION off.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured/

Lots of dissecting of all of the available data at that link, with sources

45 Million, with 6 million non-citizens = 39 million.

[HBox]

Why wouldn't you factor in people making over 75k?

Why the fuck would you take numbers from the last census which was taken in 2000. It's all fucking nonsense.

[angrymissy]

Because they're choosing to be uninsured, not unable to get coverage.

You realize with a pre-existing condition, a family of, say 4 could be looking at a $3,000 monthly premium? IF they can even get coverage. How on Earth do you pay for that on a $75k salary?

[west milly Tom]

What does this have to do with Representative Wilson disgracing his office?

Oh wait, it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The issue was a congressman yelling you lie. He did lie its relevant. People are pissed off including some of his constituents.

[EliSnow]

Because they're choosing to be uninsured, not unable to get coverage.

Just like you have chosen to not state an opinion about whether Wilson was wrong to say what he said, when he said it.

Which is telling.

[foodcourtdruide]

Because they're choosing to be uninsured, not unable to get coverage.

So, you think people making 75k can easily afford to give their family health insurance? That seems like a stretch to me.

[angrymissy]

So, you think people making 75k can easily afford to give their family health insurance? That seems like a stretch to me.

I just ran the numbers online, treating it as if I had 2 kids age 8 and 10. No tobacco usage, No pre-existing conditions. For a regular HMO type of health plan:

$3,430.23/month

$40k a year.

Or you can get "crap i got hit by a bus" insurance that only covers that kind of stuff for $1k/mo

[EliSnow]

The issue was a congressman yelling you lie. He did lie its relevant. People are pissed off including some of his constituents.

No, it isn't relevant. You don't yell you lie to the president during the speech. Even his own party has said it.

And you never heard a democrat doing it to Bush.

[9mileskid]

since this debate started every democratic gov't official and liberal talking head has said there were 47 million uninsured americans until last night. obama suddenly says there are 30 million uninsured.47 minus 30 equals 17 million illegal immigrants.
math stinks

[The Jays]

When you say that a household that make 75k a year is choosing to not buy insurance, you are making it seem like 75k is a shitload of money and that they should be easily buying coverage. 75k for a household = 37.5k is the income for each person of the couple, not the mention how many children would need to be insured. Do you really think they can afford $1000 a month to buy health insurance on their own?

[foodcourtdruide]

I just ran the numbers online, treating it as if I had 2 kids age 8 and 10. No tobacco usage, No pre-existing conditions. For a regular HMO type of health plan:

$3,430.23/month

$40k a year.

Are you using really old data Tom? Are you underestimitating the cost of insurance? Health Insurance *IS* insanely expensive.

[west milly Tom]

You realize with a pre-existing condition, a family of, say 4 could be looking at a $3,000 monthly premium? IF they can even get coverage. How on Earth do you pay for that on a $75k salary?



How often is that the case? Is it not ridiculous to change what is currently the medical system with the highest citizen approval rate amongst industrialized nations to accomadate the needs of a few sad stories?

[epo]

The issue was a congressman yelling you lie. He did lie its relevant. People are pissed off including some of his constituents.

You are completely avoiding the very point of this thread.

[EliSnow]

If you want to talk about the merit of the health care plans, do it in the thread for it. This thread is about whether a politician does what Wilson does during a Presidential speech.

[angrymissy]

How often is that the case? Is it not ridiculous to change what is currently the medical system with the highest citizen approval rate amongst industrialized nations to accomadate the needs of a few sad stories?

It's the case all the time.

Silera and Pat are at that Household income and HAVE insurance and can't afford the 20% coinsurance and fees.

Anyway, go run the numbers to see what insurance REALLY costs for a family of 4 in NYS.

http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/family1?allid=Goo25151

[foodcourtdruide]

How often is that the case? Is it not ridiculous to change what is currently the medical system with the highest citizen approval rate amongst industrialized nations to accomadate the needs of a few sad stories?

You make a lot of claims without sources. Where are you getting that we have the highest citizen approval rate amongst industrialized nations? I'm not saying you're incorrect or lying, but that's a pretty definitive statement you're presenting as a fact and I'd love to know where it came from.

Even if your number 12 million is correct, that is more than a few sad stories.

[Misteriosa]

people, its simple.

the point of this thread is:

YOU RESPECT THE PRESIDENT DURING THE JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS.

YOU RESPECT THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT.

its not stats. its not illegal immgrant issue. its not health care caps. its not the spin. all that belongs in the national health care thread.

Rep Wilson was out of line. Period. At no point in that debacle that was the Bush Administration did ANYONE come out at the president like that at an offical function. why? because there was still basic respect for the Office. whether or not you agree or disagree with what the president said, there is a thing called decorum. didnt your mom ever say "there's a time and a place for everything?" well, that was one lesson that was forgotten last night by Rep Wilson

[foodcourtdruide]

If you want to talk about the merit of the health care plans, do it in the thread for it. This thread is about whether a politician does what Wilson does during a Presidential speech.

NEVER!!!!

JK, sorry. Will stop talking about health care in this thread.

[The Jays]

How often is that the case? Is it not ridiculous to change what is currently the medical system with the highest citizen approval rate amongst industrialized nations to accomadate the needs of a few sad stories?

Are you kidding me? A few sad stories? Health care would not be an issue if these "few sad stories" were not the commonplace situation of most families.

I know too many people, too much of a percentage of my own friends and family, some of those friends members of this very community, who had to go through deep financial trouble because they could not get health coverage.

Missy's case is the case VERY OFTEN. You wanna stick your head in the sand and not believe it, then I pray for you.

[underdog]

exactly

Hey! That's my bit!

[HBox]

Hey! That's my bit!

exactly

[underdog]

exactly

sailor.

[Syd]

The number of uninsured drops by 15 million whe you factor in households making more than 75K. It drops another 10 when you factor in illegals and another 10 when factoring in people on medicaid and other government provided care. These numbers come from the last census and the Heritage Foundation estimates the number of actual uninsured at 12M. Also according to the GAO Obama's cost projection was 2 TRILLION off.


Funny, I just read something that contradicts that:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/091009dntexuninsured.167ba5db8.html

AUSTIN — Once again, Texas has the nation's highest rate of people without health insurance.
Also Online

More than one of every four Texans – 25.1 percent – were uninsured in a two-year average ending last year, a Census Bureau report showed today. That's up from 24.1 percent for 2005 and 2006.

California still has the highest number – not percentage – of uninsured residents. It had 6.7 million uninsured people, compared with 5.9 million Texans in a three-year average ending last year. The Texas number is up from 5.7 million reported last year for 2005 to 2007.

New Mexico and Florida had the next-highest rates, with 23.1 percent and 20.1 percent of their populations, respectively, uninsured in 2006 and 2007.

Massachusetts and Hawaii came in at the bottom, with respective rates of 5.4 percent and 7.7 percent.

[JimBeam]

Syd I'd bet that the 4 states mentioned in that article are in the top 10, if not top 5, states w/ the most illegal immigrants.

Hawaii probably has the least.

[SouthSideJohnny]

You are an example of why your party is a laughing stock of rubes, morons, and lunatics who are bat shit crazy when they don't have power, and simply dangerous when they do.

I can't stop laughing at the irony of this quote and the fact that Jays apparently doesn't see that it applies equally to the Democrats.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but Wilson was out of line. Even if he thought the President was lying, a Presidential speech to Congress is not the time and place to scream that out. Several posters mentioned how much money his opponent raised, but I will be curious to see how much extra Wilson will get for making the comment.

[angrymissy]

His opponent is up to $350k+ from 5,000 donors

[Kublakhan61]

How often is that the case? Is it not ridiculous to change what is currently the medical system with the highest citizen approval rate amongst industrialized nations to accomadate the needs of a few sad stories?

Health Insurance to Rise 94% by 2020 (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/Data-Briefs/2009/Aug/Paying-the-Price-How-Health-Insurance-Premiums-Are-Eating-Up-Middle-Class-Incomes.aspx)

Here's the overview of a long scholarly article. I'm assuming you haven't been doing much bi-partisan research of your own. I could be wrong.

The rapid rise in health insurance premiums has severely strained U.S. families and employers in recent years. This analysis of federal data finds that if premiums for employer-sponsored insurance grow in each state at the projected national rate of increase, then the average premium for family coverage would rise from $12,298 (the 2008 average) to $23,842 by 2020—a 94 percent increase. However, if health system reforms were able to slow premium growth by 1 percentage point in all states, by 2020 employers and families together would save $2,571 per premium for family coverage, compared with projected trends. If growth could be slowed by 1.5 percentage points—a target recently agreed to by a major industry coalition—yearly savings would equal $3,759. The analysis presents state-by-state data on premium costs for 2003 and 2008, as well as projections, using various assumptions, for costs in 2015 and 2020.

[Kublakhan61]

Here's another one (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2008/Nov/In-Chronic-Condition--Experiences-of-Patients-with-Complex-Health-Care-Needs--in-Eight-Countries--20.aspx)

This one pertains to your claim that we have the highest rated (and, again I'm assuming, therefore best) Health care Systems in the world.

You need to do some homework. We're be sluaghtered by other countries in regards to healthcare. We're also spending the most money and losing the most patients.

[DarkHippie]

Wilson is going to have a bright future as a commentator on Fox News.

[underdog]

Here's another one (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2008/Nov/In-Chronic-Condition--Experiences-of-Patients-with-Complex-Health-Care-Needs--in-Eight-Countries--20.aspx)

This one pertains to your claim that we have the highest rated (and, again I'm assuming, therefore best) Health care Systems in the world.

You need to do some homework. We're be sluaghtered by other countries in regards to healthcare. We're also spending the most money and losing the most patients.

A 2008 survey of chronically ill adults in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States found major differences in health care access, safety, and efficiency, with U.S. patients at particularly high risk of forgoing care because of costs and experiencing errors or inefficient, poorly organized care.

Of course it's different. None of those countries are major countries like the United States!

[LordJezo]

Hopefully more will speak up against this illegal dictatorship that is ruling this country. The revolution is starting and people won't sit down and let America be turned over to the multinationals.

I would agree that the office of the president should be respected but now that the office has been turned into a place to destroy all that America stands for no one should sit quietly by as Obama spews vile filth meant to undermine all those that oppose him.

This guy will most likely be killed by the secret police now that he has spoken out against the state, which is to be expected now that the USA is being run like North Korea or communist USSSR, but at least he had the guts to do it. Maybe he will become a martyr and more will follow.

New laws will now be made to silence anyone who dares speak out against Obama, but the war has started.

[EliSnow]

Hopefully more will speak up against this illegal dictatorship that is ruling this country. The revolution is starting and people won't sit down and let America be turned over to the multinationals.

I would agree that the office of the president should be respected but now that the office has been turned into a place to destroy all that America stands for no one should sit quietly by as Obama spews vile filth meant to undermine all those that oppose him.

This guy will most likely be killed by the secret police now that he has spoken out against the state, which is to be expected now that the USA is being run like North Korea or communist USSSR, but at least he had the guts to do it. Maybe he will become a martyr and more will follow.

New laws will now be made to silence anyone who dares speak out against Obama, but the war has started.

This is pitiful even as a board character. You've been saying since November that people who speak out against Obama would be silenced, but none of that has happened or will happen.

[underdog]

This is pitiful even as a board character. You've been saying since November that people who speak out against Obama would be silenced, but none of that has happened or will happen.

Why even waste your time arguing with him? I feel if we ignore his dumb character, it will finally go away, like the sheepy creepy one.

[underdog]

USA is being run like North Korea or communist USSSR, but at least he had the guts to do it. Maybe he will become a martyr and more will follow.

Is the extra S for "Savings"?

[SP1!]

Fucking republicans are gettin out of hand...he still the president whether you like it or not goddamnit

On one hand I agree that he shouldnt yell out like this, on the other hand I also agree that the health care bill shouldnt be rushed through and everything needs to be looked at.

[EliSnow]

Why even waste your time arguing with him? I feel if we ignore his dumb character, it will finally go away, like the sheepy creepy one.

I guess my asshole tolerance capacity ran out.

[mikeyboy]

I guess my asshole tolerance capacity ran out.

Fun, huh?

http://www.heathersanimations.com/dance1/47r5.gif

[EliSnow]

Fun, huh?

http://www.heathersanimations.com/dance1/47r5.gif

Van Halen will be playing until the tolerance builds back up.

[LordJezo]

When Bush lied no one died, when Obama lied we were forced down a path of death panels and premature baby killings due to health care union strikes and low government standards for who gets treated.

But of course this is Obama we are talking about, savior of the MTV generation, and his words are gospel.

[TooLowBrow]

When Bush lied no one died,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_adXvtM_GcPg/Rq96A83keqI/AAAAAAAAAco/NRaEXF_FcWQ/s400/tillman.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

On one hand I agree that he shouldnt yell out like this, on the other hand I also agree that the health care bill shouldnt be rushed through and everything needs to be looked at.

The President should hold a joint address to congress to disclose exactly what he's proposing.

[Kevin]

Is the extra S for "Savings"?

Socialism

[Kevin]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_adXvtM_GcPg/Rq96A83keqI/AAAAAAAAAco/NRaEXF_FcWQ/s400/tillman.jpg

Seriously, that may be the dumbest comment in the history of dumb comments..

[Crispy123]

When Bush lied no one died, when Obama lied we were forced down a path of death panels and premature baby killings due to health care union strikes and low government standards for who gets treated.

But of course this is Obama we are talking about, savior of the MTV generation, and his words are gospel.


FIVE YEARS AND COUNTING: U.S. & COALITION CASUALTIES IN IRAQ IS 4,631


I get that your a board character (more like bored character) so Im not going to let your disrespect for this countries Marines, Soldiers, Airmen, and Sailors boil my blood.

[LordJezo]

Pat Tillman had the option to serve in the Army and he picked that option. It was terrible what happened but he was not forced into it like we will be forced into Obamacare and how we will be forced to live under his rules of what can and cannot be treated by socialist healthcare. Bringing up a hero like Pat in a thread about the most anti-American renegade president in history is sickening.

People are yelling at Obama and speaking up in congress like never before because they know this is the most dangerous man to ever serve as president of the United States. They have sat quietly as others have come and gone before him but Obama has brought this country to it's knees to serve and worship him as a messiah. Unless more people stand up against this tyrant America will cease to exist.

[Crispy123]

blah blah blah, Moulin Rouge, blah blah, gay porn, blah blah, lets go to the gym and then hit the showers dude, blah blah blah.

[EliSnow]

Pat Tillman had the option to serve in the Army and he picked that option. It was terrible what happened but he was not forced into it like we will be forced into Obamacare and how we will be forced to live under his rules of what can and cannot be treated by socialist healthcare. Bringing up a hero like Pat in a thread about the most anti-American renegade president in history is sickening.

People are yelling at Obama and speaking up in congress like never before because they know this is the most dangerous man to ever serve as president of the United States. They have sat quietly as others have come and gone before him but Obama has brought this country to it's knees to serve and worship him as a messiah. Unless more people stand up against this tyrant America will cease to exist.

No, your ridiculous statements are sickening. If Bush lied, our armed forces died because of it. Stating anything different is complete idiocy, even more so than your other bullshit.

You can argue that Bush didn't lie, but if you are assuming he did, it's undeniable that people died because of it.

All the rest of your bullshit is unsupported and retarded.

[Misteriosa]

When Bush lied no one died.

so... who is gonna start the "Lord Jezo is Mentally Unstable" thread, or is there already one? :dry:

[LordJezo]

Say what you will but it's Obama's war now.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-02-17-afghanistan-forces_N.htm

Yet there is no massive protests and riots against it, now that Bush is not in charge it's okay to send troops overseas.

It's like he brainwashed all of you. His word is law and no one should question him.

Thankfully those, like the person this thread is about, have dared to stand against him and fight back.

[Furtherman]

so... who is gonna start the "Lord Jezo is Mentally Unstable" thread, or is there already one? :dry:

Every thread he starts is one.

[IMSlacker]

Thankfully those, like the person this thread is about, have dared to stand against him and fight back.

And then immediately apologize.

[HBox]

And then immediately apologize.

He knows he was out of line and uppity with his black massa.

[Furtherman]

Yet there is no massive protests and riots against it, now that Bush is not in charge it's okay to send troops overseas.

Why would there be massive protests and riots against about going after our enemies?

When Bush was in charge he sent most of them to the wrong country. That wasn't OK.



But never mind... you can't answer that anyway.

[LordJezo]

But never mind... you can't answer that anyway.

At least he got the general direction of where to go correct. More than can be said about Obama and his steering of the USA so far left that we'll be begging for Kim Jong to give us some freedoms before his first (of a lifetime of) term is over.

[Furtherman]

At least he got the general direction of where to go correct.

No maps in the gym, huh?

The rest of your statement is sooooo zany! Wakka Wakka!

The Jezo Show will be right back!

*4am infomercial*

[Kevin]

No maps in the gym, huh?

The rest of your statement is sooooo zany! Wakka Wakka!

The Jezo Show will be right back!

*4am infomercial*

ARE YOU CRAZY??

Some hard working people wake up at 4am to go to work. Do you really want those poor people to stumble on to that and have thier ears bleed?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!

[DarkHippie]

You know, Jezo, threatening to overthrow the legally elected governement is treason. Maybe you should just leave america and save it for the people who actually care about the country.

Go find a nice island in the pacific and build all the gym showers you want there.

[Kevin]

You know, Jezo, threatening to overthrow the legally elected governement is treason. Maybe you should just leave america and save it for the people who actually care about the country.

Go find a nice island in the pacific and build all the gym showers you want there.

Gay showers? And photos of Sheepy?

[keithy_19]

It was pretty dumb and disrespectful of the guy to yell out during the speech. Personally, I think it would have been better if he just coughed loudly during all of the parts he disagreed with.

Not really. But, it would be more comical.

[furie]

http://13.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpqhjj7a3O1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

[HBox]

http://13.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpqhjj7a3O1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

I hate to go there because I think she gets more hate than she deserves but if Pelosi looked at me like that my dick would fly inside me, shoot out through my ass and fly through the walls of the Capital and land on the streets outside.

[9mileskid]

there isn't enough hate on the planet for that fucking cunt

[CofyCrakCocaine]

there isn't enough hate on the planet for that fucking cunt

highly evolved debate. no wonder this place is considered the anus or asshole of wormy dogs nowadays, intellect-wisssssse.

[HBox]

I don't understand what it is she's done to anyone to justify the hate she receives.

[booster11373]

I don't understand what it is she's done to anyone to justify the hate she receives.

Me neither, but its always angry white suburban guys when I hear it

[epo]

I don't understand what it is she's done to anyone to justify the hate she receives.

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[spoon]

I have to give a lot of credit (or "props" as the schwoogies say) to Joe Wilson. Someone needed to tell it like it is. Osama went and called out the GOP for being liars, so why not fire back when he stands up there spewing lies for nearly an hour? Needless to say, I'm going to be contributing to Rep. Wilson's campaign.

As per Newsweek, "And for the record, Wilson was wrong: HR 3200, the health care bill under debate in the House, explicitly prohibits coverage for illegal immigrants.":nono::lol::bye:

You might think about reading up on policy. Also, just TRY not to be a 5th grader in your views in the future. Shocking someone who calls the president "Osama" agrees with Wilson who has now appologized and hurt his own relection campaign. Good work both of you.

[spoon]

Psst... you're arguing with a pretty obvious board character.

Dammit! First I get hoodwinked by MCL and now this! :wacko:

[spoon]

Yes, health care is volatile as seen by the town hall meetings, but our leaders should be able to conduct themselves more professionally.

And that volatility is being led by the repubs and some idiot right wingers on the radio and tv.

[spoon]

He did lie. He lied about the number if uninsured. He lied about how much it would cost. He lied about not taxing the middle class to pay for it. He lied about a number of other things too. Cue liberal circle jerk*

Even though it's not the pt of this thread, it's commonplace to miscalculate or be political in how you word or fund these things. I distinctly remember Bush Sr. dropping his famous line, did you scream then too? And really, stats are easily manipulated. Are they lies or just stat twisting that EVERY company report and political party does?

[WampusCrandle]

And that volatility is being led by the repubs and some idiot right wingers on the radio and tv.

shut up queer face. :happy:

[spoon]

But you did hear the VP tell a senator to "go fuck himself"

Classic Dick.

[spoon]

The number of uninsured drops by 15 million whe you factor in households making more than 75K. It drops another 10 when you factor in illegals and another 10 when factoring in people on medicaid and other government provided care. These numbers come from the last census and the Heritage Foundation estimates the number of actual uninsured at 12M. Also according to the GAO Obama's cost projection was 2 TRILLION off.

If it's truly that low, it shouldn't cost that much to cover us all. Make it happen bc WMT made a GREAT point.

[Dudeman]

You might think about reading up on policy. Also, just TRY not to be a 5th grader in your views in the future. Shocking someone who calls the president "Osama" agrees with Wilson who has now appologized and hurt his own relection campaign. Good work both of you.

I'm sorry, are you referring to my Ivy league doctoral degree as 5th grade?

[spoon]

Because they're choosing to be uninsured, not unable to get coverage.

Bc the premiums are INSANE unless you work for a mid to large company with buying power and they choose to take their chances. I'm not saying this is everyone, but it surely is a lot of people out there w/o coverage who choose to do it. Basically, you can't just assume the reasons why.

[RhinoinMN]

Dudeman is way cooler that Dude!

[spoon]

I'm sorry, are you referring to my Ivy league doctoral degree as 5th grade?

No, ur point was the one to counter his 5th grade insults like Osama. Way to brag DUDE!! :dry:

[WampusCrandle]

No, ur point was the one to counter his 5th grade insults like Osama. Way to brag DUDE!! :dry:

boy, you're a boring boner.

[angrymissy]

I hate to go there because I think she gets more hate than she deserves but if Pelosi looked at me like that my dick would fly inside me, shoot out through my ass and fly through the walls of the Capital and land on the streets outside.

Pelosi looks exactly like my Grandmother with dyed hair and that woman can cause me to sob and hide with just a look like that.

[spoon]

Hopefully more will speak up against this illegal dictatorship that is ruling this country. The revolution is starting and people won't sit down and let America be turned over to the multinationals.

I would agree that the office of the president should be respected but now that the office has been turned into a place to destroy all that America stands for no one should sit quietly by as Obama spews vile filth meant to undermine all those that oppose him.

This guy will most likely be killed by the secret police now that he has spoken out against the state, which is to be expected now that the USA is being run like North Korea or communist USSSR, but at least he had the guts to do it. Maybe he will become a martyr and more will follow.

New laws will now be made to silence anyone who dares speak out against Obama, but the war has started.

This is pitiful even as a board character. You've been saying since November that people who speak out against Obama would be silenced, but none of that has happened or will happen.

Just plain sad.

[WampusCrandle]

Just plain sad.

says spoon, the angry queer.


RASK.

[spoon]

says spoon, the angry queer.


RASK.

Rask indeed.

[WampusCrandle]

Rask indeed.

you are a filthy rasker, and everybody knows about it. even the heathers know.

[SinA]

Rs like Wilson complain that Obama is trying to impose a British system of healthcare on us, but then turn around and get rowdy like in the House of Commons.

It's ridiculous. I'm not cheerleading for the public option, but I'm certain that some significant reform is needed. Still, it seems like some of these haters are really trying to split the nation apart.
Slavery seems like something that would be worth fighting over, but medicine?

[A.J.]

I don't understand what it is she's done to anyone to justify the hate she receives.

Ask Steny Hoyer.

[TjM]

I know it's his gimmick but the Jezo shit is beyond tiresome

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/countdown-special-comment-about-shout-you

[LordJezo]

You know, Jezo, threatening to overthrow the legally elected governement is treason. Maybe you should just leave america and save it for the people who actually care about the country.

Legally elected by use of force by the black panthers scaring people away from voting booths and plagued with voter fraud by the left wing terrorist organization of ACORN (which is now being used to sway the census results to give the democrats more territory to control, but thats a different matter).

[TheMojoPin]

Wait, everyone in the country was voting at one polling station in Philadelphia?

I love Jezo's posts. They're like an insane Mad Lib.

[Dude!]

I love Jezo's posts. They're like an insane Mad Lib.

that would be TheJays

[DarkHippie]

Legally elected by use of force by the black panthers scaring people away from voting booths and plagued with voter fraud by the left wing terrorist organization of ACORN (which is now being used to sway the census results to give the democrats more territory to control, but thats a different matter).

Really? The Black Panthers? Even at their peak, they didn't have enough people to influnce anyone, and that was 40 years ago.

Calling Acorn a terrorist group is just silly. They organize members of a community to vote. That's like calling a church a terrorist group when they do the same thing.

[CurseoftheBambi]

is it wrong that i joined Joe Wilson's facebook page to call him out and when i check to see if i was friended, and saw this message today:

Joe Wilson Remembering all the fallen heroes of 9/11. We will never forget the sacrifice of all of our Law Enforcement and Emergency Responders! THANK YOU!

and my first comment was ...you guessed it

YOU LIE!

[TheMojoPin]

Really? The Black Panthers? Even at their peak, they didn't have enough people to influnce anyone, and that was 40 years ago.

They could have back in the day, but the Black Panther Party doesn't exist anymore. The guys in Philly were part of the self-proclaimed "New Black Panther Party," who have nothing to do with the original group.

[Furtherman]

I'm sorry I ruined your Black Panther party.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm sorry I ruined your Black Panther party.

Say what you will about that movie, but line is fucking hilarious.

[Hamey]

As much as I dislike Obama I admit you shouldn't really yell that at the president.

[JimBeam]

There was some video going around yesterday about some people, I'd guess Democrats, booing George Bush during some speech in 2005.

Was there this must outrage about that at the time ?

And I do believe that yelling at the President, actually anybody, is uncalled for and completely unprofessional regardless of who they are.

[angrymissy]

The outrage wasn't about the booing, it was about yelling at the President during a speech.

[TheMojoPin]

The outrage wasn't about the booing, it was about yelling at the President during a speech.

Right. Booing or refusing to applaud during the breaks are nothing new, but actually interrupting the speech with heckling by a member of the Congress is what's never done.

[JimBeam]

The Bush incident, if I read it correctly ( and I admit I only got a few sentences into the article ), was a State Of The Union or somewhat important speech.

Why would booing during that be considered protocol ?

[A.J.]

Why would booing during that be considered protocol ?

It's a response, not an interruption. It may not be polite but it isn't heckling either.

[Furtherman]

The Bush incident, if I read it correctly ( and I admit I only got a few sentences into the article ), was a State Of The Union or somewhat important speech.

Why would booing during that be considered protocol ?

Who said it was considered protocol? It's always been accepted. There is no rule that you MUST boo if you disagree.

It's interrupting the President, especially with such a proclaim of "You lie!", which turns out was wrong anyway, that is disrespectful.

He could have booed.

And let's be honest, Bush had A LOT to be booed about. For years he gave the same BS speech about terror.

[foodcourtdruide]

The Bush incident, if I read it correctly ( and I admit I only got a few sentences into the article ), was a State Of The Union or somewhat important speech.

Why would booing during that be considered protocol ?

It's probably rude, but you don't consider screaming "You Lie!" and booing as two different things?

[Doogie]

I 100% agree that this guy was a complete and utter jackass to do this. I may not be Obama's biggest fan, but if I was out at a convention or something and I came face to face with him I would render him a salute. He is the commander in chief and even though I am no longer in the military it is the proper way to receive the CIC.

Yelling out like some of these jack asses at the town hall meetings is not the way to do it on a congressional floor. Although I cant wait to see the ads run against this guy on TV. "Joe Wilson is a maniac!!! He yells at pregnant women. He yells at puppies. He even yells...bum bum bum...at the President!!!"

[TheMojoPin]

The Bush incident, if I read it correctly ( and I admit I only got a few sentences into the article ), was a State Of The Union or somewhat important speech.

Why would booing during that be considered protocol ?

They have the breaks during that, too.

[west milly Tom]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

[epo]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

Weak sauce my friend, weak sauce.

[west milly Tom]

Weak sauce my friend, weak sauce.



So you heard the rant then?

[foodcourtdruide]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

If a democrat screamed out, "You lie!" at Bush circa 2002 during a presidential address to congress, what do you think would have happened to them?

Even if it happened in 2008, it would have been looked down on by the mainstream media. There are certain rules politicians must follow in the publics eye, and this is I think this is one of them.

Why can't you just agree that he was wrong in doing so, and not frame it like a democrat/republican issue?

[Furtherman]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

No, you wouldn't. And please, Reid said the protesters at the meetings were "evil-mongers", who are using lies, innuendo and rumor to drown out rational debate.

Which they were.

What he should have said, was "stupid, evil mongers", which would be more accurate.

He said nothing derogatory about conservatives who attend town hall meetings, unless you are saying they're the same thing?

[angrymissy]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

Hey, you never came back to the Health Care thread to tell us about that Constitutional Amendment, we've all been waiting.

[Doogie]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

I dont care how you want to spin this, nor your favor/disfavor with the president. You don't go shouting him down as he is addressing congress on an issue like he is at a Jimmy Norton show and doesn't like what he is hearing. It is boorish loutish behavior and it has no place in Congress, regardless of party.

Imagine if as Kennedy was delivering his moon plan to Congress in 1961 and someone shouted down at his "5 Billion Dollar plan", of which his estimates were way off, and someone shouted out "You liar." There is no place for that sort of behavior. Want to go on CNN or FOXNews after wards and speak how you felt about his speech. Fine. Don't do it on the congressional floor.

[foodcourtdruide]

Hey, you never came back to the Health Care thread to tell us about that Constitutional Amendment, we've all been waiting.

Stop with your liberal double speak.

[epo]

So you heard the rant then?

This thread has NOTHING to do with Pelosi or Reid. It has everything to do with Rep Joe Wilson and his complete disrespect for the rules of the Republican Party and the office of the Presidency.

Your hypotheticals of "what ifs..." have zero to do with the topic.

[west milly Tom]

This thread has NOTHING to do with Pelosi or Reid. It has everything to do with Rep Joe Wilson and his complete disrespect for the rules of the Republican Party and the office of the Presidency.

Your hypotheticals of "what ifs..." have zero to do with the topic.

Again it is totally relevant in discussing the climate in which Wilson is being persecuted by the media but a congressional leader calling ordinary citizens evil mongers gets a pass. Its typical and sad that the bar for liberal speak is set so low.

[Doogie]

This thread has NOTHING to do with Pelosi or Reid. It has everything to do with Rep Joe Wilson and his complete disrespect for the rules of the Republican Party and the office of the Presidency.

Your hypotheticals of "what ifs..." have zero to do with the topic.

I 100% concur...he is trying to pick fights or pass on his own agenda when the topic is simply "was Joe Wilson an ass or not." Plain and simple. And we wonder why we can't get any topics decided on in this country with fucking assholes like this getting off topic.

STAY THE FUCK ON TOPIC FUCKTARD!!!!

[west milly Tom]

Hey, you never came back to the Health Care thread to tell us about that Constitutional Amendment, we've all been waiting.



On the way.

[SP1!]

I hate that he yelled at him but I want us to be like parliament, I love how they scream at each other and stop using that political double speak and let emotion take over.

[A.J.]

I dont care how you want to spin this, nor your favor/disfavor with the president. You don't go shouting him down as he is addressing congress on an issue like he is at a Jimmy Norton show and doesn't like what he is hearing. It is boorish loutish behavior and it has no place in Congress, regardless of party.

Imagine if as Kennedy was delivering his moon plan to Congress in 1961 and someone shouted down at his "5 Billion Dollar plan", of which his estimates were way off, and someone shouted out "You liar." There is no place for that sort of behavior. Want to go on CNN or FOXNews after wards and speak how you felt about his speech. Fine. Don't do it on the congressional floor.

Exactly.

And what nobody else seems to be mentioning is whether or not Wilson could face repercussions from the Rules and/or Ethics committees. I'm not saying he'll get kicked out of Congress, but I wonder if there's some sort of formal admonishment that he may be subject to.

[Snoogans]

Because they're choosing to be uninsured, not unable to get coverage.

this might be the dumbest statement I have ever read in my life. My household makes over 75K total, and I cant afford insurance. You are a fuckin assclown. Just stop

[west milly Tom]

I 100% concur...he is trying to pick fights or pass on his own agenda when the topic is simply "was Joe Wilson an ass or not." Plain and simple. And we wonder why we can't get any topics decided on in this country with fucking assholes like this getting off topic.

STAY THE FUCK ON TOPIC FUCKTARD!!!!

See above :)

[A.J.]

STAY THE FUCK ON TOPIC FUCKTARD!!!!

Doog: :nono:

[foodcourtdruide]

this might be the dumbest statement I have ever read in my life. My household makes over 75K total, and I cant afford insurance. You are a fuckin assclown. Just stop

obviously if you cancelled cable you'd be able to afford health insurance.

[Snoogans]

obviously if you cancelled cable you'd be able to afford health insurance.

yea cause most cable plans cost 500 bucks a month

[west milly Tom]

this might be the dumbest statement I have ever read in my life. My household makes over 75K total, and I cant afford insurance. You are a fuckin assclown. Just stop



I was wrong about that yesterday. Its individuals who earn. But better in other thread.

[Furtherman]

Again it is totally relevant in discussing the climate in which Wilson is being persecuted by the media but a congressional leader calling ordinary citizens evil mongers gets a pass. Its typical and sad that the bar for liberal speak is set so low.

Reposting, in case you missed it...

No, you wouldn't. And please, Reid said the protesters at the meetings were "evil-mongers", who are using lies, innuendo and rumor to drown out rational debate.

Which they were.

What he should have said, was "stupid, evil mongers", which would be more accurate.

He said nothing derogatory about conservatives who attend town hall meetings, unless you are saying they're the same thing?

[SP1!]

Again it is totally relevant in discussing the climate in which Wilson is being persecuted by the media but a congressional leader calling ordinary citizens evil mongers gets a pass. Its typical and sad that the bar for liberal speak is set so low.

It was wrong for him to say that about the people who knew nothing about the people protesting but its a little worse that this guy interrupted a speech being given, if some of these people would have spoke up while bush was there we wouldnt be in Iraq still.

Still I agree that reid should have gotten a little more shit for his statements that eventually made a lot of dems ignore the protesters in their town halls, which ended up making them look stupid since quite a few of them were their supporters and not part of some conspiracy to take the bill down.

And furtherman, not all of them were evil mongers, there were doctors down here that were questioning one of the congresswomen and she basically told him to shut up about it and get back to the right. Turns out the guy voted for her and obama, not everyone is sold on that bill and the nutjobs are making some look worse.

[angrymissy]

I hate that he yelled at him but I want us to be like parliament, I love how they scream at each other and stop using that political double speak and let emotion take over.

parliament does look pretty awesome

[Snoogans]

I was wrong about that yesterday. Its individuals who earn. But better in other thread.

Fair enough

[epo]

Again it is totally relevant in discussing the climate in which Wilson is being persecuted by the media but a congressional leader calling ordinary citizens evil mongers gets a pass. Its typical and sad that the bar for liberal speak is set so low.

No its not. This topic is about Wilson and the venue in which he did that. Your Reid/Pelosi ramblings and theoreticals have absolutely NOTHING to do with this.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[foodcourtdruide]

yea cause most cable plans cost 500 bucks a month

exactly.

[WampusCrandle]

Fair enough

it's not fair, so stay on fucking topic, budday.

[Furtherman]

And furtherman, not all of them were evil mongers, there were doctors down here that were questioning one of the congresswomen and she basically told him to shut up about it and get back to the right. Turns out the guy voted for her and obama, not everyone is sold on that bill and the nutjobs are making some look worse.

He was talking about the protestors... the ones spewing the Nazi nonsense.

[Snoogans]

it's not fair, so stay on fucking topic, budday.

isnt the Topic Art Bell?

[WampusCrandle]

isnt the Topic Art Bell?

no it will never be that topic. jesus people, if we can't stay on topic, then it must be completely derailed!

[Snoogans]

no it will never be that topic. jesus people, if we can't stay on topic, then it must be completely derailed!

how bout nut railed:

http://www.sunvideos.net/video/skater_busts_nuts_on_rail.jpg

[SP1!]

He was talking about the protestors... the ones spewing the Nazi nonsense.

Well they were in the minority yet he focused on who would get him the most positive press.

[Furtherman]

Well they were in the minority yet he focused on who would get him the most positive press.

Oh.

Yea, that makes sense.

[EliSnow]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

That statement is idiotic. Seriously. You're presenting a hypo that has never happened and say liberals are doing double speak. That can't be engaged in a double standard or "double speak" unless actually faced with a similar incident.

We have not seen a democratic senator/congressperson yell something at a republican president during a joint session.

Unless you can point to that, you have nothing comparable. And your attempts to manufacture something make you look stupid.

[SP1!]

Oh.

Yea, that makes sense.

Well I mean come on, who doesnt hate nazis?

I dont think either one of them really believe the shit they speak, most politicians are out for themselves and to pad their pockets.

[DarkHippie]

Well I mean come on, who doesnt hate nazis?



If it werent for nazis, geroge lucas would have no villians in his movies

[Furtherman]

Well they were in the minority yet he focused on who would get him the most positive press.

Well I mean come on, who doesnt hate nazis?

I dont think either one of them really believe the shit they speak, most politicians are out for themselves and to pad their pockets.

No, I meant your statement made no sense.

But I think I see what you're saying - that Reid called them evil-mongers ONLY because the press would pick up that he was talking about uneducated dolts.

Yea, I'm sure the money just flowed into his pockets like water because of that statement.

Stop it.

[Furtherman]

If it werent for nazis, geroge lucas would have no villians in his movies

And we might have had a Pulp Fiction 2: Pulpier Fiction.

[SP1!]

No, I meant your statement made no sense.

But I think I see what you're saying - that Reid called them evil-mongers ONLY because the press would pick up that he was talking about uneducated dolts.

Yea, I'm sure the money just flowed into his pockets like water because of that statement.

Stop it.
Oh those two statements werent related, all politicians go for the money, its easy to pick on the lowest common denominator in the crowd.

It would have been more ballsy of him if he went after the doctors that were there initially protesting all the town hall meetings, but then it wouldnt have gotten him the best press and he would have had to defend himself against knowledgeable people. If you are going to pick on someone at a rally, you can usually bet that those comparing his plans to the nazis are the low hanging fruit.

[Furtherman]

Doctors have legitimate questions, no need to call them anything but concerned citizens.

The "evil-mongers" need to be pointed out, so that other concerned citizens might avoid and ignore them.

[SP1!]

Doctors have legitimate questions, no need to call them anything but concerned citizens.

The "evil-mongers" need to be pointed out, so that other concerned citizens might avoid and ignore them.

Yes I agree, the problem is the media and most dems lumped all of them in that same category which is what happened when that doctor was trying to question his representative and it pissed him off.

Picking on low hanging fruit is not a challenge but the issues being brought up need to be addressed, I think there are quite a few things that need to be fixed but it wont happen quickly. I wish I could find the article where the writer pointed out that it took longer for obama to pick out a dog than he wanted to debate on this massive bill.

[Furtherman]

Yes I agree, the problem is the media and most dems lumped all of them in that same category which is what happened when that doctor was trying to question his representative and it pissed him off.

I'd have to see that footage to make that distinction. It's fairly obvious that anyone labeled as a protester at these meetings are dim witted rubes.

[Syd]

Anyone hear the Pelosi "I love interrupters" rant? Its another perfect example of liberal double speak. Replace Reid with Wilson and Obama with Mc Cain and we'd all be hearing about what a brave hero Reid is for standing up to evil, a word Reid used this to describe conservatives who attend town hall meetings. *cue liberal circle jerk

There's a certain amount of respect afforded the person currently speaking in parliamentary procedure and also a certain amount of respect above and beyond that for the President of the United States. While I agree those in attendance can make sounds, it's generally limited to guffaws, cheers and other sorts of non-verbal communication. Had Wilson simply jeered the President, as many people have done to many different people who had the floor, no one would have cared. Outright addressing the person who has the floor who is also the President is a travesty of democracy.

Whether Obama was really lying or not isn't the issue, its the fact that Wilson decided to play to the demagoguery and uncivilized by hollering out like a kid who decided to interject himself from the kids table during Thanksgiving. Had someone outright addressed Bush in the same manner I'd be equally as disgusted at the pathetic behavior. An act like that isn't part of civilized society, its part of hooligans and scum.

[LordJezo]

That statement is idiotic. Seriously. You're presenting a hypo that has never happened and say liberals are doing double speak. That can't be engaged in a double standard or "double speak" unless actually faced with a similar incident.

We have not seen a democratic senator/congressperson yell something at a republican president during a joint session.

Unless you can point to that, you have nothing comparable. And your attempts to manufacture something make you look stupid.

Democrats were praised when they heckled Bush.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/10/flashback_democrats_boo_bush_at_2005_state_of_the_ union.html

But like we have been saying, that's perfectly OK.

[TheMojoPin]

Democrats were praised when they heckled Bush.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/10/flashback_democrats_boo_bush_at_2005_state_of_the_ union.html

But like we have been saying, that's perfectly OK.

Keep up, 'tardo.

Nobody is saying people can't boo or jeer or choose to not applaud the President. The decorum is to do it during the breaks or a pause, not during the speech and certinaly not screaming things out during the speech.

[Furtherman]

Democrats were praised when they heckled Bush.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/10/flashback_democrats_boo_bush_at_2005_state_of_the_ union.html

But like we have been saying, that's perfectly OK.

Nothing in that link shows that democrats were being "praised".

You're running out of crazy-steam aren't ya?

*whips towel at Jezo's butt*

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Imagine if Wilson threw his shoe at Obama, As wrong as that would be, it would have made some great TV. The house chamber would have erupted in some South Korea parliamentary type fighting

[Sarge]

Keep up, 'tardo.

Nobody is saying people can't boo or jeer or choose to not applaud the President. The decorum is to do it during the breaks or a pause, not during the speech and certinaly not screaming things out during the speech.

I agree, you don't do it during a speech no matter what you think of it. I didn't vote for President Obama and have not agreed with some of the things he has done, but he is the President and in my opinion should be shown the respect the position deserves. There is a time to speak your mind, and it is not during a Presidential speech.

[angrymissy]

Imagine if Wilson threw his shoe at Obama, As wrong as that would be, it would have made some great TV. The house chamber would have erupted in some South Korea parliamentary type fighting

Maybe fight to the death is the way to solve this

I got money on Pelosi

[EliSnow]

Keep up, 'tardo.

Nobody is saying people can't boo or jeer or choose to not applaud the President. The decorum is to do it during the breaks or a pause, not during the speech and certinaly not screaming things out during the speech.

Republicans boo too. That is acceptable.

[DiabloSammich]

Maybe fight to the death is the way to solve this

I got money on Pelosi



Then Palin runs in, knocks Wilson out with a chair shot, rips off her coat to show a Democratic Party shirt, and announces all the wacky shit she's been doing was just to torpedo the Republicans in the election.

Then spray paints a donkey on Wilson's back.


OH MAH GAWD!!!!

OH MAH GAWD!!!

[TheMojoPin]

My money would be on Biden.

You know that scumbag fights dirty.

[SP1!]

I'd have to see that footage to make that distinction. It's fairly obvious that anyone labeled as a protester at these meetings are dim witted rubes.

I will dig it up and post it when I get home

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My money would be on Biden.

You know that scumbag fights dirty.


"NOBODY MESSES WITH JOE"

I got my money on Rahm Emmanuel hes the last man standing

[epo]

My money would be on Biden.

You know that scumbag fights dirty.

And yet look at that million-dollar smile.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Shirtless-Biden-R.jpg

[CurseoftheBambi]

My money would be on Biden.

You know that scumbag fights dirty.

Well he is from Scranton :)

and Yes I agree Rahm will kick everyone's ass ! But oh how i wish Obama would unleash him...

and he would make an Excellent Herald of Galactus

[SP1!]

I'd have to see that footage to make that distinction. It's fairly obvious that anyone labeled as a protester at these meetings are dim witted rubes.
Here is an article (http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/aug/08/georgia-democrat-rages-against-local-doctor-over-h/) I am looking for the actual video though, its clear that the congressman is disinterested and thinks hes a plant, the problem is that a few are plants all riled up through bullshit, but quite a few are concerned over how this is going to affect them long term.

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[Furtherman]

Here is an article (http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/aug/08/georgia-democrat-rages-against-local-doctor-over-h/) I am looking for the actual video though, its clear that the congressman is disinterested and thinks hes a plant, the problem is that a few are plants all riled up through bullshit, but quite a few are concerned over how this is going to affect them long term.

Tensions are running so high at town hall meetings that Rep. David Scott, a Georgia Democrat, yelled at a local doctor concerned about health care after mistaking him for an "astroturf" political operative looking for a fight.

It was a mistake. So that means "the media and most dems lumped all of them in that same category" ?

No, it doesn't.

[SP1!]

It was a mistake. So that means "the media and most dems lumped all of them in that same category" ?

No, it doesn't.

They have been told to confront people if they are at the meetings, this congressman's district is predominately black so he thought he was in the clear which is why hes been pretty quiet on the matter and still wont talk about the incident. And yes the dems, just like you lump all the protesters into the same "must be a dumb-witted rubes" well he was protesting and I seriously doubt he is in that category, my uncle wouldnt fall into that category as well and he went to a rally to speak to his representatives in florida, who has been a doctor and surgeon for the past 20 years down there.

There are a few people that act like idiots but a vast majority of them are concerned citizens worried about how this is going to affect them long term, lets not act like this health plan can be thrown together and fix everything in 10 months though.

Does health care need to be addressed? Yes. Does this plan fix the issues? Most likely not according to doctors.

Im all for fixing health care issues but at what cost? Should we tax the upper class to the middle class to pay for it? ;

[Furtherman]

They have been told to confront people if they are at the meetings, this congressman's district is predominately black so he thought he was in the clear which is why hes been pretty quiet on the matter and still wont talk about the incident. And yes the dems, just like you lump all the protesters into the same "must be a dumb-witted rubes" well he was protesting and I seriously doubt he is in that category, my uncle wouldnt fall into that category as well and he went to a rally to speak to his representatives in florida, who has been a doctor and surgeon for the past 20 years down there.

There are a few people that act like idiots but a vast majority of them are concerned citizens worried about how this is going to affect them long term, lets not act like this health plan can be thrown together and fix everything in 10 months though.


Yea, that's who I'm talking about. The protestors who compare Obama to Hitler. They are dumb-witted rubes, they should be called out. None of them are concerned. They're idiots.

[IMSlacker]

Wilson was wrong, he apologized, the Democratic leaders should let it go. But they won't. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gqPgZr9fnMP1-0DTplQLY4zofswAD9ALARLO0)

Democratic leaders are planning a House vote early next week on whether to admonish Republican Rep. Joe Wilson if he does not apologize on the House floor for yelling "You lie!" during President Barack Obama's health care address.

Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Friday that party leaders decided they will likely move forward with a resolution of disapproval against Wilson if he doesn't apologize to Congress.

Wilson told Obama he was sorry shortly after the incident on Wednesday, but has refused requests to apologize on the House floor. Wilson's office says the congressman considers his initial apology sufficient. He has also been telling supporters he will continue to speak loudly about the issue and "not be muzzled."

Obama said Thursday he accepted Wilson's apology, telling reporters that "we all make mistakes." The White House said it considered the incident over, and Pelosi, D-Calif., initially agreed, saying she wanted to focus on moving health care legislation forward.

Ugh. You're not helping things.

[foodcourtdruide]

Wilson was wrong, he apologized, the Democratic leaders should let it go. But they won't. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gqPgZr9fnMP1-0DTplQLY4zofswAD9ALARLO0)



Ugh. You're not helping things.

I agree. Just let it go.

[A.J.]

And what nobody else seems to be mentioning is whether or not Wilson could face repercussions from the Rules and/or Ethics committees. I'm not saying he'll get kicked out of Congress, but I wonder if there's some sort of formal admonishment that he may be subject to.

Wilson was wrong, he apologized, the Democratic leaders should let it go. But they won't. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gqPgZr9fnMP1-0DTplQLY4zofswAD9ALARLO0)



Ugh. You're not helping things.

Man, I'm tired of being right.

[DarkHippie]

Wilson was wrong, he apologized, the Democratic leaders should let it go. But they won't. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gqPgZr9fnMP1-0DTplQLY4zofswAD9ALARLO0)



Ugh. You're not helping things.

they're gonna make him a conservative martyr

[tele7]

Wilson was later quoted as saying...

"The devil made me do it"

[hanso]

But Rush said it was ok.

[hanso]

Hopefully more will speak up against this illegal dictatorship that is ruling this country. The revolution is starting and people won't sit down and let America be turned over to the multinationals.

I would agree that the office of the president should be respected but now that the office has been turned into a place to destroy all that America stands for no one should sit quietly by as Obama spews vile filth meant to undermine all those that oppose him.

This guy will most likely be killed by the secret police now that he has spoken out against the state, which is to be expected now that the USA is being run like North Korea or communist USSSR, but at least he had the guts to do it. Maybe he will become a martyr and more will follow.

New laws will now be made to silence anyone who dares speak out against Obama, but the war has started.

This looks like it could have been copied and pasted from Rush's website

[furie]

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[SonOfSmeagol]

Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that Wilson's outburst was…rooted in fears of a black president. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling_carter)

Hearing this, the WH immediately fired Carter as “Czar”/”Advisor” of the “How To Be A One-Term President” Department.

[A.J.]

Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that Wilson's outburst was…rooted in fears of a black president. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling_carter)

Hearing this, the WH immediately fired Carter as “Czar”/”Advisor” of the “How To Be A One-Term President” Department.

No, I think it was more of a Fear Of A Black Planet.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like the dems have their own Michelle Bachmann


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15/congressman-people-don-white-hoods-wilson-rebuked/