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booster11373

09-30-2009, 07:13 PM

You're exactly right. And it works both ways.

1) That's not what I said at all.
2) The only way to Heaven is by believing Jesus died on the cross for your sins and inviting Him to live in your heart.
3) No, we would do it for procreation...you made my point.
4) Excuse me, I meant to say Jesus.

Am I scared? Not even a little bit. I am 100% confident of where I'll go when I die. Can you say that?

THANK YOU! THAT IS RELIGION. Everything I put in [B]bold.[B] And that is NOT what being a Christian is and that is NOT what gets you to heaven. Religion is rituals. Again, I am talking about having a relationship. In your attemp to disprove and mock me, you havn't gotten it yet!

And no, it's not common knowledge. It's more common knowledge the way I said it. And you are also wrong about sex. Do dogs think sex is pleasurable? No, they hump because its instilled in them to do so.

I can prove my assertations using evidence

TheMojoPin

09-30-2009, 07:15 PM

Dolphins fuck for fun.

Quite a few species do.

underdog

09-30-2009, 07:17 PM

Quite a few species do.

Hello.

TheMojoPin

09-30-2009, 07:19 PM

Is it me you're looking for?

Tall_James

09-30-2009, 07:20 PM

I can see it in your eyes
I can see it in your smile

keithy_19

09-30-2009, 07:24 PM

Quite a few species do.

They do. Didn't they just discover that a species has sex for pleasure recently?

Coach_Mac

09-30-2009, 07:26 PM

Wow, so you agree with what I said, yet you still go to church every Sunday and teach Sunday school. I take it back, you are a hypocrite. I think my attempt to disprove and mock you went just fine with your help.
Also I'd have to disagree about the common knowledge, or maybe we just live in different places. I never ever heard in my lifetime that the stories were written during or immediately following the life of Jesus. Not in church, not in Sunday school, never, until this thread.

Ok, I can't have a discussion with you. You don't get it and you don't want to get it. You can think I'm a hypocrite. I have no idea how you conclude that, but go ahead.

I can prove my assertations using evidence

No you can't.

Tall_James

09-30-2009, 07:27 PM

They do. Didn't they just discover that a species has sex for pleasure recently?

Yes. Albanians.

weekapaugjz

09-30-2009, 07:29 PM

Yes. Albanians.

no, albanians have been having gay sex for a long time. just ask kevin.

Tall_James

09-30-2009, 07:30 PM

no, albanians have been having gay sex for a long time. just ask kevin.

Yes but they have only recently discovered that it can be pleasurable and not just a way to assert dominance over a younger sibling.

Serpico1103

09-30-2009, 07:31 PM

1) That's not what I said at all.- I know. What you said was. You believe he exists, therefore he exists.
2) The only way to Heaven is by believing Jesus died on the cross for your sins and inviting Him to live in your heart.Jesus died before I committed any sins, so how did he die for me? I didn't ask him to, so I owe him nothing. He did for selfish reasons; to be rejoined with God/Himself.
3) No, we would do it for procreation...you made my point.What point? Things that help us survive are pleasurable (eating) things that kill us are not (fire.) Not exactly wondrous.
4) Excuse me, I meant to say Jesus.If he, like you, believe in heaven, how is it a sacrifice to die? If you believe in heaven wouldn't dying be the most selfish act?

Am I scared? Not even a little bit. I am 100% confident of where I'll go when I die. Can you say that?I haven't decided yet. Maybe into a jar over my kids mantle. But, I know where I don't go; into the clouds, wearing white robes and singing with the angels. Grow up.

Dogs, and other animals, have the instinct to hump because without that instinct they would die off. As I said, species without a desire to have sex become extinct. Do you think sex is painful for male dogs?
But it is nice to know that your God likes us to have sex. What is his stance on anal sex?

Coach_Mac

09-30-2009, 07:36 PM

4) God didn't die. He "always" existed. So, how is his "death" in any way a gesture that now requires your devotion? It is cute, childlike thinking. Jesus may have allowed himself to be crucified. But, if he went into heaven, how is that a sacrifice? Isn't heaven where you want to be?

I don't mean to bring up an old post but I just noticed this and I have to address it because it's the most important part of Christianity. Jesus died and was raised again on the third day. Without that part of the story, it's all meaningless. (try to come up with a better comeback than "it's all meaningless anyway").

Coach_Mac

09-30-2009, 07:40 PM

Dogs, and other animals, have the instinct to hump because without that instinct they would die off. As I said, species without a desire to have sex become extinct. Do you think sex is painful for male dogs?
But it is nice to know that your God likes us to have sex. What is his stance on anal sex?

First of all, Jesus dying before you were born is part of the whole omnipitant thing I believe in. He knew you before you existed.

And I'm not going answer the anal part but yes, God likes us to have sex....within marriage.

keithy_19

09-30-2009, 07:46 PM

First of all, Jesus dying before you were born is part of the whole omnipitant thing I believe in. He knew you before you existed.

And I'm not going answer the anal part but yes, God likes us to have sex....within marriage.

I'll answer. I don't think God cares how you fuck. I also don't think homosexuals are sinning. I know A LOT of Christians will disagree with me there, but oh well.

I also think that sex before marriage isn't that big of a deal either. Granted, it could just be me trying to have a clean slate when looked at with holy eyes. I don't think that's what I'm doing though.

Contra

09-30-2009, 07:54 PM

Ok, I can't have a discussion with you. You don't get it and you don't want to get it. You can think I'm a hypocrite. I have no idea how you conclude that, but go ahead.

You said you don't like religion, yet you go to church.
So after I put that to you you say church is not religion.
Then when I prove you wrong you agree with me.
In agreeing with me you also agree that Sunday school is religion, yet you teach Sunday school.

I don't see the difficult comprehension that you are a hypocrite with what you've said in this thread.

Coach_Mac

09-30-2009, 08:36 PM

You said you don't like religion, yet you go to church.
So after I put that to you you say church is not religion.
Then when I prove you wrong you agree with me.
In agreeing with me you also agree that Sunday school is religion, yet you teach Sunday school.

I don't see the difficult comprehension that you are a hypocrite with what you've said in this thread.

Wrong again. Lets try to make this simple.

I don't agree in people putting focus on religion.
Church, as I know it (the church I go to) does not practice "religion."
Some churches do (the majority of Catholic churches). They are more interested in religious rituals and going through the "spiritual" motions than they are teaching God's word.
The Sunday School I teach does not teach "religion" We teach God's word.

One of the main reasons we are having trouble getting on the same page is the different ideas of what "Chrisitianity" and "religion" are btween northern and southern states. When I lived in NY I found a HUGE difference in the way they run their church up there. Most (not all) Northern churches are very much into going through the religious motions. There are definately a lot that do it down here but it's not as prevelant.

Serpico1103

10-01-2009, 12:55 PM

Wrong again. Lets try to make this simple.

I don't agree in people putting focus on religion.
Church, as I know it (the church I go to) does not practice "religion."
Some churches do (the majority of Catholic churches). They are more interested in religious rituals and going through the "spiritual" motions than they are teaching God's word.
The Sunday School I teach does not teach "religion" We teach God's word.

One of the main reasons we are having trouble getting on the same page is the different ideas of what "Chrisitianity" and "religion" are btween northern and southern states. When I lived in NY I found a HUGE difference in the way they run their church up there. Most (not all) Northern churches are very much into going through the religious motions. There are definately a lot that do it down here but it's not as prevelant.

I think the problem is you are making a personal distinction between "God's word" and religion. A distinction that Contra and most people do not make.

I understand that some churches are more about pomp and circumstance (catholic church is a major offender) than others. But, teaching God's word is still religion. If you want to argue it is a different type of religion that is fine, but it is still religion.

Another point, if time to God is meaningless, as he always exists and knows all from the "beginning" to the "end", should we still stone women to death for possibly being raped? That is what the Bible, God's word calls for. Deuteronomy 22:24

Contra

10-01-2009, 01:39 PM

I think the problem is you are making a personal distinction between "God's word" and religion. A distinction that Contra and most people do not make.

I understand that some churches are more about pomp and circumstance (catholic church is a major offender) than others. But, teaching God's word is still religion. If you want to argue it is a different type of religion that is fine, but it is still religion.

Another point, if time to God is meaningless, as he always exists and knows all from the "beginning" to the "end", should we still stone women to death for possibly being raped? That is what the Bible, God's word calls for. Deuteronomy 22:24

Yeah that might be the miscommunication.

Mac just answer me this:
Does your preacher/minister give sermons?
During the service, do accept the body and blood of Christ into your body?
Do you have confessionals?
Do you teach the bible in Sunday school?

If the answer is yes to those questions, which I realize it my not be, then the south isn't any different than the north.

Serpico1103

10-01-2009, 01:45 PM

Contra

10-01-2009, 02:21 PM

You left out:
Is it unacceptable to sleep with your sister?
Did you win a civil war?

Moral Conundrum.
Conundrum!

Coach_Mac

10-01-2009, 02:24 PM

Another point, if time to God is meaningless, as he always exists and knows all from the "beginning" to the "end", should we still stone women to death for possibly being raped? That is what the Bible, God's word calls for. Deuteronomy 22:24

Good question. The Old Testement was before God sent His son, Jesus to die for our sins. So, before Jesus came, there was no link between humans and God. The reason there was no link is because of mans sin. When Jesus died on the cross, He died for all mans sin from that point on. God has always said the wages of sin is death but Jesus died so we wouldn't have to. That's why He wants us to accept Him into our lives so much, He died for us.

Coach_Mac

10-01-2009, 02:30 PM

Yeah that might be the miscommunication.

Mac just answer me this:
Does your preacher/minister give sermons?
During the service, do accept the body and blood of Christ into your body?
Do you have confessionals?
Do you teach the bible in Sunday school?

If the answer is yes to those questions, which I realize it my not be, then the south isn't any different than the north.

Yes
No
No
Yes

I'm not speculating that sourth churches are different, I'm telling you they are. I have live in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi in the south and New York, Illinois, and Virginia in the north (Virginia is the north) and the churches are very different, especially in NY. Don't think I'm saying that all southern churches are great and all northern churches are bad because I'm not. I've never cared much for the term "Bible belt" but it is called that for a reason

Coach_Mac

10-01-2009, 02:33 PM

You left out:
Is it unacceptable to sleep with your sister?
Did you win a civil war?

And just for the record, I'm glad we didn't win the civil war, I don't have a rebel flag on my truck, and I'm not interested in the south rising again.

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 02:33 PM

Good question. The Old Testement was before God sent His son, Jesus to die for our sins. So, before Jesus came, there was no link between humans and God. The reason there was no link is because of mans sin. When Jesus died on the cross, He died for all mans sin from that point on. God has always said the wages of sin is death but Jesus died so we wouldn't have to. That's why He wants us to accept Him into our lives so much, He died for us.

This is the argument that the first chirstians give to deal with their guilt of breaking the Covenant with God and betraying him. It does not excuse the fact that they betrayed God. Any rationalization after this fact is just guilt. I love how Christians are damned by their own beliefs and choose to ignore it, then they go and kill Jews to hide their guilt.

Serpico1103

10-01-2009, 02:48 PM

This is the argument that the first chirstians give to deal with their guilt of breaking the Covenant with God and betraying him. It does not excuse the fact that they betrayed God. Any rationalization after this fact is just guilt. I love how Christians are damned by their own beliefs and choose to ignore it, then they go and kill Jews to hide their guilt.

I don't kill jews to hide my guilt.

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 02:52 PM

I don't kill jews to hide my guilt.

not yet . . .

I don't necessarily believe this, but if I believed everything the Bible said, this would be the truth. I bring this up everything Christians get too high on themselves

Coach_Mac

10-01-2009, 02:52 PM

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 03:03 PM

Huh?

Ok, let me break it down:

In Genesis, God made a pact with Abraham and his decendants (the Jews) to uphold God's law on Earth and to be the caretakers of Mankind.

In the New Testament, a guy named Jesus preached the same thing. However, after his death, some followers decided that Jesus must be God

The First and Second Commandments specifcally say that there is only One God, and no other. By worshipping Jesus, Christians voluntarily broke away from God's Covenant.

To be fair, most Christians these days are the children of societies conquered by Christians, but it does not change the fact that the origins of the religion are of people breaking away from God, to worship another God. Calling him the son of God does not make it the same.

Serpico1103

10-01-2009, 03:09 PM

not yet . . .

I don't necessarily believe this, but if I believed everything the Bible said, this would be the truth. I bring this up everything Christians get too high on themselves

Oh, I kill jews, but my motive isn't to hide my guilt....yet.

Coach_Mac

10-01-2009, 03:48 PM

Ok, let me break it down:

In Genesis, God made a pact with Abraham and his decendants (the Jews) to uphold God's law on Earth and to be the caretakers of Mankind.

In the New Testament, a guy named Jesus preached the same thing. However, after his death, some followers decided that Jesus must be God

The First and Second Commandments specifcally say that there is only One God, and no other. By worshipping Jesus, Christians voluntarily broke away from God's Covenant.

To be fair, most Christians these days are the children of societies conquered by Christians, but it does not change the fact that the origins of the religion are of people breaking away from God, to worship another God. Calling him the son of God does not make it the same.

Well, if you believe the Bible (which I understand you don't), it talks about the.Trinity. Christians believe that God and Jesus are one. Along with the Holy Spirit, they the Trinity. Its not something humans can comprehend but it is not breaking a covenent with God.

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 03:56 PM

Well, if you believe the Bible (which I understand you don't), it talks about the.Trinity. Christians believe that God and Jesus are one. Along with the Holy Spirit, they the Trinity. Its not something humans can comprehend but it is not breaking a covenent with God.

But Jews do not, and since the Jews wrote the Bible, and have the covenant with God, then the Trinity idea is moot.

I believe the pagans of the time of the Kingdom used the same argument. Some said that they worshipped god, because Baal is god. They are wrong. Baal is not God. Jesus is not God. Only God is God.

Crispy123

10-01-2009, 04:09 PM

But Jews do not, and since the Jews wrote the Bible, and have the covenant with God, then the Trinity idea is moot.

I believe the pagans of the time of the Kingdom used the same argument. Some said that they worshipped god, because Baal is god. They are wrong. Baal is not God. Jesus is not God. Only God is God.

I like what you have to say.

But seriously what do the Jews know?

They killed Jesus.

Coach_Mac

10-01-2009, 04:16 PM

But Jews do not, and since the Jews wrote the Bible, and have the covenant with God, then the Trinity idea is moot.

I believe the pagans of the time of the Kingdom used the same argument. Some said that they worshipped god, because Baal is god. They are wrong. Baal is not God. Jesus is not God. Only God is God.

Jesus is God.I can't speak for every Jew at that time but the Jews who wrote the Bible believed that. The Jews today don't (some do)

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 04:33 PM

Jesus is God.I can't speak for every Jew at that time but the Jews who wrote the Bible believed that. The Jews today don't (some do)

That's just silly. The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus. The Gospels were written nearly 100 years after the death of Jesus, and were written by second generation converts, i.e. pagans that were converted by Paul and his crew.

keithy_19

10-01-2009, 04:57 PM

Can God create a boulder that even he cannot lift?

http://www.breitlingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/criss-angel-mf-s3-1.jpg

keithy_19

10-01-2009, 04:58 PM

That's just silly. The Old Testament was written hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus. The Gospels were written nearly 100 years after the death of Jesus, and were written by second generation converts, i.e. pagans that were converted by Paul and his crew.

Really not a fan of Paul.

If I had to pick, I would go with Peter.

Mary's dead.

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 05:27 PM

Really not a fan of Paul.

If I had to pick, I would go with Peter.

Mary's dead.

no way man. Peter Yarrow FTW!!!

keithy_19

10-01-2009, 05:35 PM

no way man. Peter Yarrow FTW!!!

I remember watching the Peter, Paul, and Mary specials on PBS with my mom when I was younger. Peter Yarrow was always my favorite.

Contra

10-01-2009, 05:36 PM

Yes
No
No
Yes

I'm not speculating that sourth churches are different, I'm telling you they are. I have live in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi in the south and New York, Illinois, and Virginia in the north (Virginia is the north) and the churches are very different, especially in NY. Don't think I'm saying that all southern churches are great and all northern churches are bad because I'm not. I've never cared much for the term "Bible belt" but it is called that for a reason

Ok now I see the great divide, its north and south!

By what you are saying, the two are very different church wise.

keithy_19

10-01-2009, 05:45 PM

Ok now I see the great divide, its north and south!

By what you are saying, the two are very different church wise.

At the end of the day, if you believe in God, it is about your personal relationship rather than the motions you go through in front of people.

I think too many people rely on the presentation rather than the actual spiritual journey.

DarkHippie

10-01-2009, 05:51 PM

At the end of the day, if you believe in God, it is about your personal relationship rather than the motions you go through in front of people.

I think too many people rely on the presentation rather than the actual spiritual journey.

Well said, Keithy Bo Beefy

keithy_19

10-01-2009, 06:52 PM

Well said, Keithy Bo Beefy

Weird how I stop watching news and start making sense. Or, utter something coherent every once in awhile.

A.J.

10-02-2009, 03:52 AM

no way man. Peter Yarrow FTW!!!

You forgot to add him to your list in the Polanski thread:

In 1970, Yarrow was convicted of, and served three months in prison for, taking "improper liberties" with a 14-year-old fan. He has since apologized for the incident: "In that time, it was common practice, unfortunately –– the whole groupie thing." President Carter later granted him clemency for the incident