It hurts so much having a black president

[Syd]

http://www.newsmax.com/john_perry/obama_military_coup/2009/09/29/266012.html

NewsMax posted:

Obama Risks a Domestic Military ‘Intervention’

Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:35 AM

By: John L. Perry

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

* Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”

* Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.

* They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.

* They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.

* They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.

* They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag.

* They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.
* They can see the nation’s safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.


So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?

Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran’s nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?

What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, “I’m not interested in victory”) that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?


Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool’s fog.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for Newsmax.com.

Another lovely example of the struggle for xenophobes and racists to come to grips with having a black president. :clap:

[topless_mike]

who cares what color he is?
either he does a good job, or fucks it up.

ugh. people who take color seriously really need a reality check.

[oh_kee_pa]

in the age of the internet, if people didnt copy and paste, or link an article then 99% of the people would never know it...

in this case you are feeding into the "racists" you're so quick to mock and fake applaud...

congrats to you friend

[KatPw]

And he's half white, raised by a white mother and her white parents. You would think they would hate him half as much as they do.

[Aggie]

It hurts so much having a black president

cuz you've experienced his big, black cock? it's great isn't it?

[boosterp]

cuz you've experienced his big, black cock? it's great isn't it?

That's mostly a myth.

[TripleSkeet]

cuz you've experienced his big, black cock? it's great isn't it?

Thats what all the fat white girls tell me. ;)

[Dude!]

people who obsess about race
are racist
like Syd

[KatPw]

That's mostly a myth.Had a lot of black cock Rich? :unsure:

[hammersavage]

That's mostly a myth.


Not for her it isn't. She gets a reminder every so often.

[Aggie]

That's mostly a myth.

That's just what the white guys say to make themselves feel better.

[Crispy123]

And he's half white, raised by a white mother and her white parents. You would think they would hate him half as much as they do.

This is what I dont get, how do people call him black?

He is just as black as he is white, baffling.

[Aggie]

This is what I dont get, how do people call him black?

He is just as black as he is white, baffling.

it just takes one drop.

[Contra]

[“We can always worry about that later.”In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass]

Really? I thought that was 8 years of Bush.

[Crispy123]

it just takes one drop.

:lol::lol::lol:

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

:lol::lol::lol:

Why you laughin at the sister? Leave mine alone.

[dino_electropolis]

I blame the blacks.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

I blame the blacks.

I blame the whites.

[Syd]

people who obsess about race
are racist
like Syd

most definitely

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I blame the whites.

i just blame earl!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Since when is he "black". It seems to me his midwest white has far outpowered his African black. He's rather nerdy.

[Contra]

Since when is he "black". It seems to me his midwest white has far outpowered his African black. He's rather nerdy.

You aren't thinking from a racists point of view.

They think Nicole Ritchie is black just because she was adopted by a black guy.

[Dan 'Hampton]

You aren't thinking from a racists point of view.

They think Nicole Ritchie is black just because she was adopted by a black guy.

Who are "they"? It seems to me that you're generalizing a lot of people. Plus this whole police state thing, weren't all you worried about this when that Facist Bush was in there? Why not now with this Nazi Obama?

[DarkHippie]

That's just what the white guys say to make themselves feel better.

Yeah, but white guys eat pussy. We win.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Yeah, but white guys eat pussy. We win.

Yeah but then there's pussy all over your face. http://smileys.smilchat.net/smileys/bad/vomi.gif

[CountryBob]

I love having pussy all over my face - thank you.

[Crispy123]

I love having pussy all over my face - thank you.

Your mod quote indicates thats not the only thing you like all over your face.

[JohnCharles]

I think Obama stole my wallet.

[Misteriosa]

im glad you copied the article here, syd. its been taken off the website.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Maybe I'm mistaken but Syd is not racist, he is just pointing out that they really can't stand to have a black-looking president. Maybe I'm wrong.

[~Katja~]

Maybe I'm mistaken but Syd is not racist, he is just pointing out that they really can't stand to have a black-looking president. Maybe I'm wrong.
no, you are not mistaken but I am just a foreigner and uneducated feud failure, so what do I know.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

no, you are not mistaken but I am just a foreigner and uneducated feud failure, so what do I know.

At least you don't go wildly shouting Nobel Peace Prize. Stanley Cup FTW.

[Crispy123]

no, you are not mistaken but I am just a foreigner and uneducated feud failure, so what do I know.

Dont beat yourself up about it. There are plenty of American Fued Failures too.:wink:

[epo]

im glad you copied the article here, syd. its been taken off the website.

Of course it has. And now we'll watch all of the Sarah Palin fans talk about how America is being ruined by Obama.

Its really getting old.

[Bob Impact]

I see all kinds of crazy in that article but not one thing about Obama's race.

[Ogre]

Maybe I'm mistaken but Syd is not racist, he is just pointing out that they really can't stand to have a black-looking president. Maybe I'm wrong.

who is "they"?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

who is "they"?

You know. . THEM.



The racists of course.

[Contra]

Who are "they"? It seems to me that you're generalizing a lot of people. Plus this whole police state thing, weren't all you worried about this when that Facist Bush was in there? Why not now with this Nazi Obama?

Racists. I thought that was pretty clear.

Plus I'm not woried about a police state under obama because everyone knows black guys don't like the police.

[KnoxHarrington]

If there are people on the right dreaming of a military coup, they really don't know shit about the military these days.

[DarkHippie]

I love having pussy all over my face - thank you.

Obama might be the ultimate man -- black enough to have a big cock, but white enough to eat pussy

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Obama might be the ultimate man -- black enough to have a big cock, but white enough to eat pussy

Like some kind of half human half white hybrid? :tongue:

[beachbum]

Who are "they"? It seems to me that you're generalizing a lot of people. Plus this whole police state thing, weren't all you worried about this when that Facist Bush was in there? Why not now with this Nazi Obama?

Just a little tutorial for you.Nazi's were facists.You really need to decide whether he's a communist or a facist.They are opposites.Waffling back and forth emphasizes the fact that you don't grasp political concepts and that you are simply parroting the last thing you heard on talk radio.

[SatCam]

I see all kinds of crazy in that article but not one thing about Obama's race.

youre either with us or against us

[SonOfSmeagol]

That article makes absolutely no reference to race. To claim otherwise is nothing short of inflammatory bullshit.

[DarkHippie]

Just a little tutorial for you.Nazi's were facists.You really need to decide whether he's a communist or a facist.They are opposites.Waffling back and forth emphasizes the fact that you don't grasp political concepts and that you are simply parroting the last thing you heard on talk radio.

Muck raking quick reference: Obama = Socialist, Bush = Fascist ;)

[Contra]

That article makes absolutely no reference to race. To claim otherwise is nothing short of inflammatory bullshit.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/57000/READ-BETWEEN-THE-LINES--57228.jpg

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/57000/READ-BETWEEN-THE-LINES--57228.jpg

Got any specifics? Once again: references to race.

[Contra]

Got any specifics? Once again: references to race.

Um, The Obama problem?
Called for a Frigging military coup instead of just impeachment?
You really don't get the concept of "read between the lines" do you?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Um, The Obama problem?
Called for a Frigging military coup instead of just impeachment?
You really don't get the concept of "read between the lines" do you?

You can “read between the lines” all you want but those are in no way supportable as racist statements within that article. That’s where the inflammatory bullshit comes in, and frankly, it’s tiring.

[IamFogHat]

Yeah but then there's pussy all over your face. http://smileys.smilchat.net/smileys/bad/vomi.gif

What are you a faggot?

Let me say this, I approached this thread going to say hey let's all get united and whatever, but this post made me really stop.
Any man that doesn't (and normally, I hate any words that come after that statement, but this is the fucking case I make the exception) eat pussy, and btw love, and i mean fucking love doing it, is a faggot.
And for lots of reasons I never throw that shit around, but any man who doesn't love the taste, smell, texture, tactile feel, and overall sensation of eating out a woman is a gay man.
It's fucking awesome. If you've avoided it cause you watched a Sopranos episode when you were too young to realize they were making a satirical statement just stop it and give it a fucking try. Jesus christ on roller skates in a cum dumpster.
That is all. You weirdos.

[Contra]

You can “read between the lines” all you want but those are in no way supportable as racist statements within that article. That’s where the inflammatory bullshit comes in, and frankly, it’s tiring.

I know what you mean, constant denial is very tiring.

[TheMojoPin]

You can “read between the lines” all you want but those are in no way supportable as racist statements within that article. That’s where the inflammatory bullshit comes in, and frankly, it’s tiring.

So that's all that jumps out at you in this thread as "inflammatory?"

[A.J.]

Well THIS black President is hurting the people of Zimbabwe.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01154/robert_mugabe_1154591c.jpg

[topless_mike]

where is Jezo when you need him?

::sending out the GYM signal::

[Syd]

im glad you copied the article here, syd. its been taken off the website.

Had to, that article was most definitely going to get removed. The author is bordering on treason.

[EliSnow]

Had to, that article was most definitely going to get removed. The author is bordering on treason.

It's logic was also faulty. Essentially, it says that a military person could his/her oath to defend the Constitution to strip an officially and legitimately elected President of his powers.

But the President's and military's powers, as well as how a President is stripped of his powers, are set by the Constitution. Any action as described by author would be in violation of the Constitution itself.

[Coach_Mac]

That article makes absolutely no reference to race. To claim otherwise is nothing short of inflammatory bullshit.

I'm also not sure where race comes into this. Yes, it's possible racism is the motive behind this but it's just as possible that it's not. The more logical assumption is that the guy doesn't care for his policies.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm also not sure where race comes into this. Yes, it's possible racism is the motive behind this but it's just as possible that it's not. The more logical assumption is that the guy doesn't care for his policies.

I think it's pretty safe to say that someone pushing for the idea of a millitary coup in a national publication is rather far past "not caring for someone's policies."

[Serpico1103]

I think it is insanity. Maybe Perry is xenophobic, but I wouldn't scream racist. Probably just another Culter or Mancow, changing his beliefs to whatever will make him money. There is alot of money in "extreme conservative" (oxymoron?) talk.

[GregoryJoseph]

I think the right wing has said exactly the same things about Carter and Clinton, as well as every other Democrat that's run for office.

[Contra]

I think the right wing has said exactly the same things about Carter and Clinton, as well as every other Democrat that's run for office.

Well yeah, maybe impeachment, but not military coups.

[Bob Impact]

I think it's pretty safe to say that someone pushing for the idea of a millitary coup in a national publication is rather far past "not caring for someone's policies."

Probably, but I guess my point is if that's your rationale and you're obviously that insane why not just say it?

[SouthSideJohnny]

And now we'll watch all of the Sarah Palin fans talk about how America is being ruined by Obama.

Its really getting old.

I agree. I miss the old when days when the half of the voters never said anything like that about Bush.

[SouthSideJohnny]

Obama might be the ultimate man -- black enough to have a big cock, but white enough to eat pussy

Or he might have the opposite of each stereotype. That would explain why Michelle sometimes looks angry.

[Contra]

Or he might have the opposite of each stereotype. That would explain why Michelle sometimes looks angry.

Black features+white dick=tough break.

[hanso]

http://www.newsmax.com/john_perry/obama_military_coup/2009/09/29/266012.html



Another lovely example of the struggle for xenophobes and racists to come to grips with having a black president. :clap:

Those fine folks at Newsmax are so light hearted and fun loving.
Just like Fox News.

[SonOfSmeagol]

So that's all that jumps out at you in this thread as "inflammatory?"

Nope. But, the idea of a U. S. military coup is kinda wacky. Who takes that seriously? However, labeling vehement disagreement as racism is somewhat common. And as demonstrated by the OP and some responding posts, a sadly accepted absurdity. As has been pointed out, the thread label clearly screams racism yet the article content simply does not support that.

[Syd]

There's zero difference in policy so far between Obama and Bush. It's not "THAT NIGGER IS RUINING THE WHITE HOUSE" its deep seeded mistrust of someone DIFFERENT. Racism isn't about throwing around the n bomb, its being a xenophobe. It's being ignorant. It's about viewing someone as being less than equal to others.

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

What problem is there with Obama?

* Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.

Less than $100bn worth of industry has been "nationalized", and there's approximately $4tn worth of privately held business. Drop in the bucket. Furthermore, the armed forces themselves are nationalized militias. So there's that bit of ignorance there.

* They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.

What will be different? More xenophobic diatribe, shaking up fears of black men with white women.

* They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.

Deficits are part of a service based economy. America long ago gave up wealth creation and focused on service industries for wealth redistribution.

Taxes?
According to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), about two-thirds of foreign-controlled domestic corporations and U.S.-controlled corporations reported no federal tax liability from 1998 through 2005. About a quarter to half of corporations with over $250 million in assets or $50 million in gross receipts reported no liability.

More ignorance. Fear of the black man coming to take your money.

* They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.

Oh no, we can't continue with our orgy of violence by torturing people. More racism, but directed at Arabs.

* They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag.

No one except Russia has missiles targeted at us, and by treaty going back several decades now any form of missile defense in America against Russian missiles is severely limited. Furthermore, the missile defenses in eastern Europe were incapable of defending against Iranian or North Korean missiles. Largely in part because neither Iran nor North Korea had missiles capable of striking into Europe proper and also in part because the missile defense program was extremely inaccurate and unreliable.

* They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.

What theaters? More fear-mongering.

Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

Every empire fails in Afghanistan so I can't disagree that we will avoid our fate there. However, Pakistans arsenal is necessary for Pakistan to project power against India so I don't imagine they're going to give them up at any point.


Almost everything that I have seen or read in opposition to Obama in the past few months have been based entirely on racism. It's like looking into a mirror and seeing how ugly you really are -- how little has changed in the past century. It is just ridiculous opposition to everything Obama does, oppose anything and everything he does.

[TheMojoPin]

Almost everything that I have seen or read in opposition to Obama in the past few months have been based entirely on racism.

That's overstating a bit much.

[TooLowBrow]

That's overstating a bit much.

he said almost

..but he also said everything.

and you said it was overstating,

but only a bit much

:dry:

[keithy_19]

There's zero difference in policy so far between Obama and Bush.



Quick question. You seem to be very supportive of Obama. That's fine. I don't mind.

But, were you also very supportive of Bush? Since there has been zero difference in policy so far?

[Recyclerz]

Well THIS black President is hurting the people of Zimbabwe.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01154/robert_mugabe_1154591c.jpg

What are you talking about? He's made everybody in that country a Trillionaire!

Well, everybody except the whites.


As to the Obama hate, I think it is only partly fueled by race. With the right-wing crazies, everybody who isn't Limbaugh-approved is an "other", worthy of some "1984" style mob hate.

[Syd]

Quick question. You seem to be very supportive of Obama. That's fine. I don't mind.

But, were you also very supportive of Bush? Since there has been zero difference in policy so far?

I'm not even remotely supportive of Obama. He's just another pro-corporate bourgeoisie showing no other interest than selling off our nation and its ability to create wealth. Just the same as Bush, Clinton HW Bush and the guy that started it all -- Reagan.

I'm supportive of critical thinking and logic -- that's why I come in and slam racism. Criticize Obama properly, not just for being a brown. He's pro-corporate scum that supported the bailouts, does not show any interest in creating favorable healthcare and increases the defense budget/increases the presence of American military abroad.

[CurseoftheBambi]

does not show any interest in creating favorable healthcare

uh...what?:wallbash:

[topless_mike]

faggots. all of you.

[Syd]

uh...what?:wallbash:

favorable universal

[west milly Tom]

people who obsess about race
are racist
like Syd


This.

[Syd]

most definitely

[hanso]

http://www.fhqhosting.com/ui/funny---f2e6115f4078.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

This.

Is really stupid.

[Dude!]

Is really stupid.

to a retard

[TheMojoPin]

Like Dude!.

[keithy_19]

Is really stupid.

I agree. Not everyone who focuses on race is a racist.

Those who focus on race and do things that are racist are racists. Shit that sounds dumb, but that's what it is.

[Dude!]

Like Dude!.

..is not, but MP is!

[TheMojoPin]

You leave MonkeyPenis alone.

[Ogre]

but any man who doesn't love the taste, smell, texture, tactile feel, and overall sensation of eating out a woman is a gay man.


QFT

[A.J.]

http://www.fhqhosting.com/ui/funny---f2e6115f4078.jpg

I loved that Eddie Murphy skit on SNL.

[IamFogHat]

QFT

I'm just glad I could contribute to the political discussion:lol:

[hanso]

http://www.fhqhosting.com/ui/funny---f2e6115f4078.jpg
It's that Indian senator.
Who talks out off his butt sometimes.
I doubt this pic has been touched up

[9mileskid]

as someone who married into the black community i can only say...........racist white mother fuckers

[SonOfSmeagol]

It's not "THAT NIGGER IS RUINING THE WHITE HOUSE" its deep seeded mistrust of someone DIFFERENT. Racism isn't about throwing around the n bomb, its being a xenophobe. It's being ignorant. It's about viewing someone as being less than equal to others.

What will be different? More xenophobic diatribe, shaking up fears of black men with white women.

More ignorance. Fear of the black man coming to take your money.

Oh no, we can't continue with our orgy of violence by torturing people. More racism, but directed at Arabs.

What theaters? More fear-mongering.

Almost everything that I have seen or read in opposition to Obama in the past few months have been based entirely on racism.

I'm not even remotely supportive of Obama. He's just another pro-corporate bourgeoisie showing no other interest than selling off our nation and its ability to create wealth. Just the same as Bush, Clinton HW Bush and the guy that started it all -- Reagan.

I'm supportive of critical thinking and logic -- that's why I come in and slam racism. Criticize Obama properly, not just for being a brown.

Not saying this to be difficult, but I don’t think anything you’ve added supports the content of that article as being racist or xenophobic.

[badmonkey]

The guy wrote an insane article. Is he a racist? Who knows? I said back during the election that we were going to be branded as racists for not voting for Obama or criticizing him at all. You guys said it wouldn't happen, but it seems like every week somebody is calling somebody racist because they don't like some policy Obama wants.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Obama's policies. His race is irrelevant.

[TheMojoPin]

The guy wrote an insane article. Is he a racist? Who knows? I said back during the election that we were going to be branded as racists for not voting for Obama or criticizing him at all. You guys said it wouldn't happen, but it seems like every week somebody is calling somebody racist because they don't like some policy Obama wants.

I don't think is really along the lines of people being called out for simply not voting for him or just criticizing him. This is well beyond simply "not liking his policies."

Personally, I don't know if there's anything expressly racial or racist about this article. I think very easily could be given the extreme actions suggested, but there easaily could not be and the guy just might be a "regular" lunatic.

[JohnCharles]

Wait.

Obama is black?

Can I re-vote?

[keithy_19]

Wait.

Obama is black?

Can I re-vote?

Nope. Your vote is safe.

http://www.funny-potato.com/images/usa/barack-obama/barack-obama-white.jpg

[JohnCharles]

I don't feel safe.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I don't think is really along the lines of people being called out for simply not voting for him or just criticizing him. This is well beyond simply "not liking his policies."

Personally, I don't know if there's anything expressly racial or racist about this article. I think very easily could be given the extreme actions suggested, but there easaily could not be and the guy just might be a "regular" lunatic.

I’m not so sure just how many actual extreme actions were really suggested, or just why he should be labeled a lunatic, "regular" or otherwise. Or, just how far beyond "not liking his policies" the opinions were.

I'm not going to get into a point by point defense of what what was written, mind you (I agree with some things, others, not so much), but I think the article was kind of “packaged” and set up intentionally to be provocative and “extreme” in order to catch attention -- such as with the title “Obama Risks a Domestic Military ‘Intervention’”, and terms such as the “Obama problem” and statements such as “Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state”. But, the author does temper it right up front by stating that “describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it”, and later that the need is to “work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility”. And nowhere does he call for violence of any kind.

A lot of the statements otherwise are pretty much run of the mill criticisms heard all the time. The “shell” and packaging kind of portray it otherwise.

In another thread, a couple of days ago WrestlingFan called out another article:

US under Obama could slide into military dictatorship, says Gore Vidal (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6854498.ece)

It’s kind of interesting that he (Vidal) says some of the same things but without the “extreme” packaging that seems to ignite so much reaction. And, he also predicted something else REALLY extreme may happen that I will not mention here - read it for yourself. But no one labeled him a racist, or criticized him or what he said, at all. Interesting.

[TheMojoPin]

Gore Vidal didn't essentially advocate the overthrow of the US government with a military coup. I find it ridiculous that you think that Vidal's comments and the ideas explicitly spelled out in the editorial are comparable.

I think it's pretty safe to say that what was suggested in the Newsmax piece was nuts. As I said, I don't know if there was partially a racial motivation behind it, but it wouldn't surprised me if that was one of the things that helped fuel a viewpoint SO vitriolic and extreme.

I also like your attempts to spin someone not being called a racist for criticizing Obama as somehow reflecting poorly on the people you claim say every criticism of Obama is racist. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too.

[badmonkey]

Gore Vidal didn't essentially advocate the overthrow of the US government with a military coup. I find it ridiculous that you think that Vidal's comments and the ideas explicitly spelled out in the editorial are comparable.

I think it's pretty safe to say that what was suggested in the Newsmax piece was nuts. As I said, I don't know if there was partially a racial motivation behind it, but it wouldn't surprised me if that was one of the things that helped fuel a viewpoint SO vitriolic and extreme.

I also like your attempts to spin someone not being called a racist for criticizing Obama as somehow reflecting poorly on the people you claim say every criticism of Obama is racist. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too.

I think it was the other way around. More like "if it's not racist to make x statement last week, then why is it racist to make a similar statement this week?"

[Crispy123]

The rascism extends to both sides.

Its completely rascist to call him black. He's 50/50 fucktards.

He is the first Whack President.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Well, yeah, but I was merely pointing out the obvious naked hypocrisy of it all. And I only allow myself one piece of cake a month. Since Gore Vidal’s birthday was yesterday I’m all done with having and/or eating cake until November.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, yeah, but I was merely pointing out the obvious naked hypocrisy of it all. And I only allow myself one piece of cake a month. Since Gore Vidal’s birthday was yesterday I’m all done with having and/or eating cake until November.

How is it "naked hypocrisy?" The comments are completely different. Vidal simply criticized a President he disagrees with. The Newsmax piece talked about overthrowing the President in a military coup.

[TheMojoPin]

I think it was the other way around. More like "if it's not racist to make x statement last week, then why is it racist to make a similar statement this week?"

Again, how are the comments similar? Nobody is actually arguing the point here that any criticism of Obama is racist.

[badmonkey]

Again, how are the comments similar? Nobody is actually arguing the point here that any criticism of Obama is racist.

There's nobody saying "Any criticism of Obama is racist!", but there are plenty of people here that label most criticisms and most groups that criticize Obama as racist. What's the difference?

[TheMojoPin]

There's nobody saying "Any criticism of Obama is racist!", but there are plenty of people here that label most criticisms and most groups that criticize Obama as racist. What's the difference?

What "plenty of people here?" Who besides arguably Syd has championed such a point?

[badmonkey]

What "plenty of people here?" Who besides arguably Syd has championed such a point?

I'm not singling anybody out by name. You're the moderator here. If you haven't seen anybody call out racism on this forum when President Obama has been criticized, then you might need an assistant to help you with your mod duties. There's no way you could be even just a casual reader of the threads here and have no idea what I'm talking about.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not singling anybody out by name. You're the moderator here. If you haven't seen anybody call out racism on this forum when President Obama has been criticized, then you might need an assistant to help you with your mod duties. There's no way you could be even just a casual reader of the threads here and have no idea what I'm talking about.

People have criticized the more extreme rhetoric as possibly or even likely fueled in part or worse by racism, but to say that "most of the posters here" have agreed with the idea that most criticism of Obama is based out of racism is bullshit. If you're going to charge that then back it up.

[badmonkey]

People have criticized the more extreme rhetoric as possibly or even likely fueled in part or worse by racism, but to say that "most of the posters here" have agreed with the idea that most criticism of Obama is based out of racism is bullshit. If you're going to charge that then back it up.

That's not what I said. I said "there are plenty of people here that label most criticisms and most groups that criticize Obama as racist". Intentionally misquoting me in order to set up a straw man for you to knock down is pretty weak.

[TheMojoPin]

That's not what I said. I said "there are plenty of people here that label most criticisms and most groups that criticize Obama as racist". Intentionally misquoting me in order to set up a straw man for you to knock down is pretty weak.

I'll still call you out over "plenty;" I did it already. It's a bullshit claim you can't back up. There's plenty of examples of people pointing out extremist rhetoric as likely or possibly being racist but "plenty of people here" are not arguing that most criticism of Obama is racist. I don't have to set anything up because either way you're talking out of your ass and you can't back it up.

[hanso]

http://www.fhqhosting.com/ui/200px-Bobby_Jindal%2C_official_109th_Congressional_photo .jpg
Found it.
Its (R) Governor Bobby Jindal | State of Louisiana
When he had his flub.
The coverage on tv he looks like Obama to me.
Same frown lines and stuff.

[Dude!]

http://www.fhqhosting.com/ui/200px-Bobby_Jindal%2C_official_109th_Congressional_photo .jpg
Found it.
Its (R) Governor Bobby Jindal | State of Louisiana
When he had his flub.
The coverage on tv he looks like Obama to me.
Same frown lines and stuff.


wow...second guy i've seen today
who parts his hair in the middle
Sen. Evan Bayh was on a talk show
this morning, and he does too

very gay...in an 1870's kind of way

[badmonkey]

I'll still call you out over "plenty;" I did it already. It's a bullshit claim you can't back up. There's plenty of examples of people pointing out extremist rhetoric as likely or possibly being racist but "plenty of people here" are not arguing that most criticism of Obama is racist. I don't have to set anything up because either way you're talking out of your ass and you can't back it up.

I did not say that ANYBODY here is arguing specifically that "most criticism of Obama is racist". I said that most criticisms seem to end up being categorized by some people on this message board as racist because they are criticisms of Obama.

[TheMojoPin]

Whatever, this is venturing into West Milly Tom territory in terms of how you're seemingly just going to carry this perception that a significant number (or whatever you want to put it as) of people here automatically assume most criticisms of Obama stem from racism. It's simply not the case but there's clearly nothing that's going to change your mind so why bother? The majority of people here who make attempts to reguarly counter criticisms of Obama typically do so without playing the race card because it's lazy and counterproductive. It's come up at times when discusisng criticism that has ventured clearly into the fringe or extremist territory (the subject of this thread, some of the rhetoric and signs at the tea parties, etc.), but it's not been a fallback point. I'm frankly a little surprised that you think this given the number of debates and discussions you've been involved in over criticisms of Obama that have had zero to do with race.

[KC2OSO]

Why you laughin at the sister? Leave mine alone.
boring

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

boring

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/rude/1/fist.gif

[SonOfSmeagol]

How is it "naked hypocrisy?" The comments are completely different. Vidal simply criticized a President he disagrees with. The Newsmax piece talked about overthrowing the President in a military coup.

Naked Hypocrisy. Yes, quite so. So you would agree that Vidal is just as much, if not more, of a “lunatic” and holds “viewpoints SO vitriolic and extreme” than the OP article? I can only assume you took the time to read the full text of Vidal’s interview that was linked and grouped these wonderful statements into his “simply criticizing a President he disagrees with”, and then simply forgot to express your equivalent dismay:

” Vidal raises his fingers to signify a gun and mutters: “Bang bang.” He is referring to the possibility of Obama being (LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF). “Just a mysterious lone gunman lurking in the shadows of the capital,” he says in a wry, dreamy way.

“Obama believes the Republican Party is a party when in fact it’s a mindset, like Hitler Youth, based on hatred — religious hatred, racial hatred. When you foreigners hear the word ‘conservative’ you think of kindly old men hunting foxes. They’re not, they’re fascists.”

“We never got the real story of how McCain crashed his plane and was held captive.”

America has “no intellectual class” and is “rotting away at a funereal pace. We’ll have a military dictatorship fairly soon, on the basis that nobody else can hold everything together. Obama would have been better off focusing on educating the American people. His problem is being over-educated.”

And a real gem:

Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people. The huge loss of life, indeed McVeigh’s act of mass murder, goes unmentioned by Vidal. “He was a true patriot, a Constitution man”

[TheMojoPin]

Vidal's comments on McVeigh are nothing new: he's been spouting that garbage for years and it's the main reason I largely ignore him.

To be honest, I hadn't read all of Vidal's comments and didn't see the ones you listed in the only summary I had seen. If that's what he said, meh, fuck him, he's looney toons, too. I've got no love for the man to begin with. I was wrong and happily lump him in with the Newsmax lunacy.