2010 New York Mets Season Discussion

[Kevin]

btw id like to point out pelf is having the best stretch of his career and is still on pace for 21 wins, not really close to 24. Try again though, i got all night

You're not counting the 3 extra wins he will get in relief of 20 inning games.

[Papi_Met_87]

and how is saying GG an elaborate stat if thats what you were actually talking about?

2 ppl that's everybody? 1 off not once had i mentioned wrights gold glove so please don't assume when you assume you make an ass out of u & me...and 2 it doesn't matter if Halladay keeps his ERA below 3 the whole year if philly doesn't win Halladay gets fukked case in point

[Snoogans]

2 ppl that's everybody? 1 off not once had i mentioned wrights gold glove so please don't assume when you assume you make an ass out of u & me...and 2 it doesn't matter if Halladay keeps his ERA below 3 the whole year if philly doesn't win Halladay gets fukked case in point

yea. you made a good point, no pitcher gets cy young votes on teams that dont win. thats why HALLADAY WON THE AWARD IN TORONTO WHEN THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDNT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

And enough with your gay lines. Oh yea, maybe you should also remember you are STILL BEHIND PHILLY IN THE STANDINGS. So how can you not apply all the same logic to your own guy "big pelf"? oh yea, cause you are a dumb homer. Go away now, you have been owned.

You were owned the other day by a few people on the arod jeter thing and you are being owned now. Just give up, im almost feeling bad that im making you look so stupid

[epo]

2 ppl that's everybody? 1 off not once had i mentioned wrights gold glove so please don't assume when you assume you make an ass out of u & me...and 2 it doesn't matter if Halladay keeps his ERA below 3 the whole year if philly doesn't win Halladay gets fukked case in point

David Wright should NEVER EVER NEVER win a Gold Glove while he's in the same league as Ryan Zimmerman.

EVER
NEVER
EVER

[Kevin]

David Wright should NEVER EVER NEVER win a Gold Glove while he's in the same league as Ryan Zimmerman.

EVER
NEVER
EVER

He shouldnt win the Gold Glove in the same league as Don Zimmer.

[Papi_Met_87]

i feel like i'm arguing with my 2 yr old daughter...guys can't count another can't read and you guys really need to wisen up using stats that aren't even close to prove non points it's useless...now a guy that seemed wise is saying zimmerman over wright

[Snoogans]

i feel like i'm arguing with my 2 yr old daughter...guys can't count another can't read and you guys really need to wisen up using stats that aren't even close to prove non points it's useless...now a guy that seemed wise is saying zimmerman over wright

umm era and runs allowed and walks/hits per inning are meaningless w2hen talkin about pitching? How can you really call yourself a fan of baseball?

[Papi_Met_87]

k-feds in here again riding the yankee bandwagon so hard he has splinters coming out of his ass...wright is 1 of the top 5 defensive players in the bigs

[Papi_Met_87]

umm era and runs allowed and walks/hits per inning are meaningless w2hen talkin about pitching? How can you really call yourself a fan of baseball?

this coming from some dee dee dee who says W - L's don't matter c'mon now

[weekapaugjz]

wright is 1 of the top 5 defensive players in the bigs

No he's not.

[epo]

i feel like i'm arguing with my 2 yr old daughter...guys can't count another can't read and you guys really need to wisen up using stats that aren't even close to prove non points it's useless...now a guy that seemed wise is saying zimmerman over wright

Defensively its not even close. Last year Zimmerman lead the league for 3B in assists, total chances, total outs recorded and games started.

Oh, and Frank Robinson compared Zimmerman to Brooks Robinson. BROOKS FUCKING ROBINSON!

On David Wright winning his Glove Glove:

“When I found out (Wright won) I was speechless, for quite some time. Certainly the guys with the least amount of errors and best fielding percentage quite obviously didn’t win it…” -- Chipper Jones

Let's face it, David Wright won a Gold Glove cuz he's in NYC, not because he's a great defender.

[Kevin]

k-feds in here again riding the yankee bandwagon so hard he has splinters coming out of his ass...wright is 1 of the top 5 defensive players in the bigs

I'm not the one with the gay hat on..

And you have a kid?

They really need to set an IQ minimum on reproducing...

[Snoogans]

k-feds in here again riding the yankee bandwagon so hard he has splinters coming out of his ass...wright is 1 of the top 5 defensive players in the bigs

i just looked up for this season

For fielding % straight up, david wright is 12th in the league OUT OF 3rd BASEMEN
For range factor, he is 11th OUT OF THIRD BASEMEN
and for total ERRORS, he is tied for SEVENTEENTH OUT OF THIRD BASEMEN ONLY

[weekapaugjz]

this coming from some dee dee dee who says W - L's don't matter c'mon now

How many times do people have to explain the win/loss in regards to pitching performance so it sinks into your thick head?

[Snoogans]

this coming from some dee dee dee who says W - L's don't matter c'mon now

can you read, i said they didnt matter in that discussion. to teams, wins losses all that matter. in cy young voting, other things matter

[epo]

wright is 1 of the top 5 defensive players in the bigs

He's not among the Top 5 in the league, at his position or even in his division.

[Papi_Met_87]

I'm not the one with the gay hat on..

And you have a kid?

They really need to set an IQ minimum on reproducing...

no your the one who won't post a real pic of urself, and you should be exceptionally happy that there isn't an iq minimum because it means you and your sister can move down south and make lil sheamus babies

[Snoogans]

no your the one who won't post a real pic of urself, and you should be exceptionally happy that there isn't an iq minimum because it means you and your sister can move down south and make lil sheamus babies

there are pictures of him, me and epo in the galleries all over from the events we have gone to

[Snoogans]

papi, please tell me this is a board character. this cant be real. or do you have a brother that raises bulldogs and owns a bakery?

[weekapaugjz]

papi, please tell me this is a board character. this cant be real. or do you have a brother that raises bulldogs and owns a bakery?

:lol:

[Kevin]

no your the one who won't post a real pic of urself, and you should be exceptionally happy that there isn't an iq minimum because it means you and your sister can move down south and make lil sheamus babies

Funny you should say that..

Your wife looks alot like your sister in that pic.

[TheGameHHH]

this is like watching a group of kids beat up a retarded kid. i know its wrong but i cant stop looking

[Papi_Met_87]

He's not among the Top 5 in the league, at his position or even in his division.

u really need to stop hell you all do...you know wright deserved it as did beltran that year...and who would you put in front of wright defensively in the division? Besides zimmerman

[Snoogans]

u really need to stop hell you all do...you know wright deserved it as did beltran that year...and who would you put in front of wright defensively in the division? Besides zimmerman

dude. let me clear something up for you. I HATE THE YANKEES. I say jeter didnt seserve his. Wright didnt deserve his. i showed you the stats. field % 12th, range factor 11th, errors over all he is 17th AT THIRD BASE ALONE. how can you say thats top 5 or gold glove? Thats BAD DEFENSE. he won the award cause NY has the most voters, they saw a few bare handed plays, and they gave him the award.

[Papi_Met_87]

there are pictures of him, me and epo in the galleries all over from the events we have gone to

i'm being ambushed by buttfuck buddies no wonder i'm so outnumbered

[Snoogans]

i'm being ambushed by buttfuck buddies no wonder i'm so outnumbered

nobody is ambushing anything. Weeka lives in buffalo and i think is a mets fan. We are just being honest. Im giving you stats. 17th in errors among 3rd basemen. How can you even argue. maybe you should look at the fact everyone is against you and just realize you are wrong. period. Wrong

[Kevin]

http://www.top-dogs-names.com/images/bulldog2.jpg

[weekapaugjz]

i'm being ambushed by buttfuck buddies no wonder i'm so outnumbered

You're being ambushed because you are spewing garbage about baseball.

[Papi_Met_87]

dude. let me clear something up for you. I HATE THE YANKEES. I say jeter didnt seserve his. Wright didnt deserve his. i showed you the stats. field % 12th, range factor 11th, errors over all he is 17th AT THIRD BASE ALONE. how can you say thats top 5 or gold glove? Thats BAD DEFENSE. he won the award cause NY has the most voters, they saw a few bare handed plays, and they gave him the award.

congratulations on again proving how high you are!!! no-one said you were a yankee fan

[Snoogans]

http://www.top-dogs-names.com/images/bulldog2.jpg

you shoulda psoted the dead one, pussy

You're being ambushed because you are spewing garbage about baseball.

this guy is awesome. He is my new favorite poster. I cant wait til pelfrey is 10-11 in sept

[epo]

u really need to stop hell you all do...you know wright deserved it as did beltran that year...and who would you put in front of wright defensively in the division? Besides zimmerman

Please don't ever use a Gold Glove as a means to claim defensive ability again. Here is the perfect example of how stupid the award is:

1999, Gold Glove Rafael Palmeiro. That season Palmeiro played 28 games at first base, and 130 at DH yet won the Gold Glove Award for first baseman.

The award has ZERO credibility.

[Snoogans]

congratulations on again proving how high you are!!! no-one said you were a yankee fan

you actually did. when you said why are yankee fans so boring in response to me. remember? and if thats all you can say back, and you just ignore my actually baseball points, then you have basically admitted defeat.

this was easier than fighting tenbatz

[Snoogans]

Please don't ever use a Gold Glove as a means to claim defensive ability again. Here is the perfect example of how stupid the award is:

1999, Gold Glove Rafael Palmeiro. That season Palmeiro played 28 games at first base, and 130 at DH yet won the Gold Glove Award for first baseman.

The award has ZERO credibility.

i forgot about that. Awesome. Didnt even play a quarter of the season and got the GG. And prob still deserved it more than Wright

[Kevin]

Papi Mets in all his arguments..


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kq6qg3308U1qzc1hfo1_400.jpg

[weekapaugjz]

this guy is awesome. He is my new favorite poster. I cant wait til pelfrey is 10-11 in sept

I'd love for pelfry to end the year with a "24-6" record, but we all know that's not gonna happen. And I thought baranby jones was your favorite!

[Snoogans]

Papi Mets in all his arguments..


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kq6qg3308U1qzc1hfo1_400.jpg

HEY. DONT YOU DARE MAKE FUN OF UGA. COLLEGE FOOTBALL LIVE MASCOTS ARE SACRED

Except for Rutgers awful anorexic horse

[Snoogans]

I'd love for pelfry to end the year with a "24-6" record, but we all know that's not gonna happen. And I thought baranby jones was your favorite!

until i found out barnaby wasnt real, he was. I think this guy might be real. And spectacular

[Papi_Met_87]

spewing garbage about baseball would be saying that a pitcher with more losses is better than another with less losses more wins and an ERA that's significantly close this year

[Kevin]

spewing garbage about baseball would be saying that a pitcher with more losses is better than another with less losses more wins and an ERA that's significantly close this year

You do realize pitchers get win by throwing 1 pitch, or blowing a lead then his teams get it back the next inning right?

[weekapaugjz]

until i found out barnaby wasnt real, he was. I think this guy might be real. And spectacular

Barnaby isn't real? I'm so disappointed.

[Kevin]

Are you the Coach of the Knicks by any chance?

[Snoogans]

spewing garbage about baseball would be saying that a pitcher with more losses is better than another with less losses more wins and an ERA that's significantly close this year

you said a pitcher with 1 more win is better, ignoring he gives up MORE runs and MORE HITS AND WALKS per inning. Every stat shows halladay is better except the one stat that relies most on OTHER people. THATS WHY WINS ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT. Halladay has less runs allowed and has less wins. thats not his fault, and thats why CY YOUNG VOTING has no love for wins. Just ERA and WHIP and real stats to show how a PITCHER pitched, not how a team hit while he pitched

[weekapaugjz]

spewing garbage about baseball would be saying that a pitcher with more losses is better than another with less losses more wins and an ERA that's significantly close this year

Holy shit. Wins/losses are a measure of a TEAM'S performance, not the pitcher's.

[Snoogans]

You do realize pitchers get win by throwing 1 pitch, or blowing a lead then his teams get it back the next inning right?

thats another good point

if you have a 4 run lead, give up 3 and win by 1, you get a win. It doesnt mean you pitched well

Someone gets a win in a 15-13 game. but the team gave up 13 runs. DOMINATING pitching

[Papi_Met_87]

i'm not basing defense on gold gloves you brought up the gold glove! i'm basing it on bare handed plays bare handed catches dives into the stands wright leaving everything out on the field

[Snoogans]

i'm not basing defense on gold gloves you brought up the gold glove! i'm basing it on bare handed plays bare handed catches dives into the stands wright leaving everything out on the field

wait the things on the field that show david wright has the 17th most errors of 3rd basemen this year in the MLB?

the 12th best fielding %? The things that show he is avg at best?

[weekapaugjz]

i'm not basing defense on gold gloves you brought up the gold glove! i'm basing it on bare handed plays bare handed catches dives into the stands wright leaving everything out on the field

Does he do it with his game face on?

[Snoogans]

Does he do it with his game face on?

he shows up every day and he always gives 110%. he is a guy you love to have in your clubhouse. Real character guy

[weekapaugjz]

he shows up every day and he always gives 110%. he is a guy you love to have in your clubhouse. Real character guy

He just wants it more than anyone else on the field

[Snoogans]

He just wants it more than anyone else on the field

he is one of those gritty guys. like papi mets. gives his all til the final whistle

[epo]

He just wants it more than anyone else on the field

He's one of those good guys who kids can look up to.

[Kevin]

he is one of those gritty guys. like papi mets. gives his all til the final whistle

When Papi Mets looks in the mirror after the game, he can be proud of what he see's, because he gave it 110% .

[weekapaugjz]

A guy the rest of the club can rally around.

[Snoogans]

el perro de presa endurece

[Papi_Met_87]

you guys are all over the place! first you speak of a pitcher being better statistically just bc of ERA though he has more losses which has been my argument from the word go it's like saying a pitcher with the worst team goes 7-13 but has a 1.29 ERA in 230 IP has a .99 WHIP should get the award over a pitcher who goes 18-3 with a 2.98 ERA in 200 IP and a 1.30 WHIP than you say wright was undeserving of his GG and he only got it bc he's in NY wtf guys stop hating...give props

[Snoogans]

you guys are all over the place! first you speak of a pitcher being better statistically just bc of ERA though he has more losses which has been my argument from the word go it's like saying a pitcher with the worst team goes 7-13 but has a 1.29 ERA in 230 IP has a .99 WHIP should get the award over a pitcher who goes 18-3 with a 2.98 ERA in 200 IP and a 1.30 WHIP than you say wright was undeserving of his GG and he only got it bc he's in NY wtf guys stop hating...give props

HE SHOULD. 1.29 and a whip under 1 means he pitched way better. the other guys team just hit way better. that had nothing to do with pitchers performance. You just proved our point. You are dumb as rocks

[Snoogans]

you guys are all over the place! first you speak of a pitcher being better statistically just bc of ERA though he has more losses which has been my argument from the word go it's like saying a pitcher with the worst team goes 7-13 but has a 1.29 ERA in 230 IP has a .99 WHIP should get the award over a pitcher who goes 18-3 with a 2.98 ERA in 200 IP and a 1.30 WHIP than you say wright was undeserving of his GG and he only got it bc he's in NY wtf guys stop hating...give props

i need to ask. Do you think Cy Young means MVP? It doesnt. It means best pitcher. Not guy who won the most games with his team. Not guy whose team finished best. Its purely about how well 1 guy pitched, not team performance. Its not fuckin MVP

[Kevin]

viscoso Bolos

[Snoogans]

hey papi met, tu es maricon gigante

[Papi_Met_87]

hey papi met, tu es maricon gigante

it would be tu eres un gran maricon not tu es maricon gigante....puto pendejo

[epo]

A guy the rest of the club can rally around.

He's a blue collar kind of poster.

[Snoogans]

it would be tu eres un gran maricon not tu es maricon gigante....puto pendejo

fuck you anyway. i ruined you in this debate. hopefully you know alot more about futbol

[Papi_Met_87]

when was the last time a pitcher has won the mvp, it damn sure has been awhile...cy young has became the pitchers mvp award....the pitcher that did the most for his team ex: Lincecum last year every stat said it should have gone to Carpenter but who won?

[Snoogans]

when was the last time a pitcher has won the mvp, it damn sure has been awhile...cy young has became the pitchers mvp award....the pitcher that did the most for his team ex: Lincecum last year every stat said it should have gone to Carpenter but who won?

no. Cy young has not become the pitchers MVP. its for best pitcher. thats why last years winner was FROM THE FUCKIN KANSAS CITY ROYALS. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING??????

[Kevin]

when was the last time a pitcher has won the mvp, it damn sure has been awhile...cy young has became the pitchers mvp award....the pitcher that did the most for his team ex: Lincecum last year every stat said it should have gone to Carpenter but who won?

Yea Geinkie won it having 4 less wins then the top winner..

[Papi_Met_87]

idk futbol, soccer is kinda much for me...stick to football baseball basketball that's it

[Snoogans]

Yea Geinkie won it having 4 less wins then the top winner..

another great point. But in fairness, he was the pitchers MVP. helped huge in that royals WS run

[Kevin]

another great point. But in fairness, he was the pitchers MVP. helped huge in that royals WS run

And Big Time Timmy Jims team was better than Carpenters right?

The WS was Giants Royals right?

[Snoogans]

And Big Time Timmy Jims team was better than Carpenters right?

The WS was Giants Royals right?

stop. this moron will never get that

[Papi_Met_87]

cy young has became the pitchers mvp award like i said....Lincecum last year???? forget greinke with the year he had last year there was no overlooking him ie: ryan howard 2006 phillies didn't make playoffs won mvp

[Snoogans]

cy young has became the pitchers mvp award like i said....Lincecum last year???? forget greinke with the year he had last year there was no overlooking him ie: ryan howard 2006 phillies didn't make playoffs won mvp

but he had 4 less wins than the league leader. so shouldnt the guy with the most wins have won?

And again, the ROYALS. You are retarded beyond retarded. What were you like kid number 7 and you just got ignored?

[Kevin]

cy young has became the pitchers mvp award like i said....Lincecum last year???? forget greinke with the year he had last year there was no overlooking him ie: ryan howard 2006 phillies didn't make playoffs won mvp

Yea, except King Felix had 3 more wins with a 2.49 era, yet Greinke won with 16 wins an a 2.16

[Papi_Met_87]

but he had 4 less wins than the league leader. so shouldnt the guy with the most wins have won?

And again, the ROYALS. You are retarded beyond retarded. What were you like kid number 7 and you just got ignored?

you see what you want to see...my argument hasn't been wins it's been losses which btw greinke had less of

[Snoogans]

you see what you want to see...my argument hasn't been wins it's been losses which btw greinke had less of

umm no, you said its cause pelf had more wins. stop tryin to change it cause you look stupid now

[Papi_Met_87]

i give up you guys are too hard headed...twisting my words around...ambushing me with non points i give say what you like:surrender::wallbash::blink:

[Kevin]

you see what you want to see...my argument hasn't been wins it's been losses which btw greinke had less of

Yea...

King Felix had 5 losses

Greinkie 8


DO YOUR RESEARCH

[Snoogans]

i give up you guys are too hard headed...twisting my words around...ambushing me with non points i give say what you like:surrender::wallbash::blink:

Yea...

King Felix had 5 losses

Greinkie 8


DO YOUR RESEARCH

twisting your words? You said grinke had less, he didnt. you said its cause pelf had more wins. he didnt. you kept bringing up wins until just before when you said it was about losses like you said. only that was the first time you said that

[Snoogans]

you give up cause you lost. You tried to change your points midarguement cause you see you are wrong. problem is, me and epo are pretty smart and kevin is our friend so we clue him in. So we caught on to your bullshit and called you out. so now you "give up". Just like "big Pelf" is gonna give up tons of losses coming the rest of the year. Have a good night, faggot

[Marc with a c]

stop picking on kevin.

[cougarjake13]

this team is just cock teasing us

[Snoogans]

so i told my mother (who is a mets fan) about the arguments we were having in here. The first thing she did was look confused how anyone could anyone think pelf is better than Halladay, and she wants to know if Papi Met is on crack.

Then I told her the Wright defense thing and she looked at me and goes "What? Ryan Zimmerman is a WAY better 3rd basemen"

So awesome, cant even make it up

[Snoogans]

I think Roy and big pelf have the same amount of wins now. Im pretty sure 1 of Pelf's isnt a perfect game though



HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

[Kevin]

I think Roy and big pelf have the same amount of wins now. Im pretty sure 1 of Pelf's isnt a perfect game though



HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

YOU SHUT UP!

Big Pelf will throw a BETTER PERFECT GAME!!!!!

[K.C.]

FAGGOTS!

RECOGNIZE!!!!!

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[Snoogans]

FAGGOTS!

RECOGNIZE!!!!!

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dude read this thread from post #220. trust me, you will LOVE it

[NickyL0885]

YOU SHUT UP!

Big Pelf will throw a BETTER PERFECT GAME!!!!!

To be fair, Pelf does have a better record. No, i'm not saying he is better, just has a better W-L record.

[Snoogans]

To be fair, Pelf does have a better record. No, i'm not saying he is better, just has a better W-L record.

you should prob read from post 220 before you go on. trust me you will see why. please dont do this again

[cougarjake13]

who cares about this halladay vs pelfrey bullshit


we all know the real battle is mr met vs phillie phanatic







and mr met takes the win easily

[Snoogans]

who cares about this halladay vs pelfrey bullshit


we all know the real battle is mr met vs phillie phanatic







and mr met takes the win easily

yea, mr met is just as popular and well know as the phillie phanatic. Are you high?

Mr Met is retarded. its almost as bad as stupid Wally

[cougarjake13]

yea, mr met is just as popular and well know as the phillie phanatic. Are you high?

Mr Met is retarded. its almost as bad as stupid Wally




i was making a joke at how ridiculous the halladay pelfrey argument was

[hammersavage]

I blame Jim Joyce for this.

[Kevin]

I blame Jim Joyce for this.

Yea, he was def out at 1st.. Wait what?

[PD]

It's sad reflection of the team here;
more non-met fan posting than Met fans.

talk about hitting a guy when he's down.

:help:

[hammersavage]

http://www.ushistory.org/us/images/00012268.jpg

[spoon]

Please don't ever use a Gold Glove as a means to claim defensive ability again. Here is the perfect example of how stupid the award is:

1999, Gold Glove Rafael Palmeiro. That season Palmeiro played 28 games at first base, and 130 at DH yet won the Gold Glove Award for first baseman.

The award has ZERO credibility.

Hey come on, Michael Kay said Jeter should pretty much win it every year he plays bc he's the best hitting SS. That's the type of logic our voters for the gg (ooo sorry) GOLD GLOVE should strive for.

Oh and just stop with the pelfrey over halladay. Didn't they actually pitch head to head in a battle that the mets announcers claimed an early season Cy battle as if Pelfrey has even proven himself past 2 months this year in his career. I'm not saying he's bad right now either, but he's a LONG way from Jim and Halladay's level right now. Pelf will be lucky to finish top ten in voting when all is said and done, Halladay has been pretty much top 5 every year out of the fucking AL EAST! But don't ask me, I'm a Halladay homer. Ooops, that's a simpson character...awful.

[spoon]

you said a pitcher with 1 more win is better, ignoring he gives up MORE runs and MORE HITS AND WALKS per inning. Every stat shows halladay is better except the one stat that relies most on OTHER people. THATS WHY WINS ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT. Halladay has less runs allowed and has less wins. thats not his fault, and thats why CY YOUNG VOTING has no love for wins. Just ERA and WHIP and real stats to show how a PITCHER pitched, not how a team hit while he pitched

Lest we forget his insane ability to pitch deeply into games, even completing said starts as well. All the time still keeping his hits, walks and runs low even pitching into the 7th, 8th and 9th over the 100 pitch count while most others barely make it to the 6th. Sorry, no contest at this point...this season and especially career.

Do me a favor Paps, have a great day.

[spoon]

i'm not basing defense on gold gloves you brought up the gold glove! i'm basing it on bare handed plays bare handed catches dives into the stands wright leaving everything out on the field

or leaving it out in the stands according to your point.

sorry man, this is the problem with most sports fans these days...it's all based on shitty espn's nightly top ten and awful lists.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Ill be heading to Camden Yards this weekend.. maybe a (wrongly named) jinx going to see the Mets on the road will reverse their fortunes

[CaptainBlowhole]

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129209109408469922.jpg

[hammersavage]

Reyes will leadoff, followed in order by Angel Pagan in right field, David Wright, Beltran, Ike Davis, Bay, Rod Barajas, and Luis Castillo, with Mike Pelfrey making his first start since the All-Star Break.

I want to see Thole in this lineup. First time since last may that Beltran and Reyes in the lineup together. If the offense takes off like it usually does with Reyes and Bay can wake up, I really like the lineup. Those are big IF's.

[Devo37]

who's this guy calling the game with Gary tonight?!? where's Ron?? :huh:

[Servo]

who's this guy calling the game with Gary tonight?!? where's Ron?? :huh:



It's Ed Coleman. Haven't heard where Keith and Ron are.

[Devo37]

It's Ed Coleman. Haven't heard where Keith and Ron are.

yeah, they just had a crawl at the top of the screen saying who it was. someone at SNY must be monitoring this thread...

[hammersavage]

You don't know Eddie C.? Been on the FAN forever. Filling in for Ronnie tonight cuz he's under the weather and Keith isn't on this trip.

[Devo37]

You don't know Eddie C.? Been on the FAN forever. Filling in for Ronnie tonight cuz he's under the weather and Keith isn't on this trip.

never been an FAN guy, so i didn't recognize the voice.

i assume keith stayed in san fran after the giants series.

[cougarjake13]

i fucking hate this team

[newport king]

turned it in after i saw ollie warming up in the bullpen. what happened? did he walk them loaded and then hit a batter?

this road trip will be the end of our season.

[Jujubees2]

And the season just gets worse:

Fan sues over broken bat (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5449775)

Jesus, he's even going after Castro who lent the bat to Castillo. Who's this guy's lawyer, Saul Goodman (http://www.bettercallsaul.com/)?

[TripleSkeet]

And the season just gets worse:

Fan sues over broken bat (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5449775)

Jesus, he's even going after Castro who lent the bat to Castillo. Who's this guy's lawyer, Saul Goodman (http://www.bettercallsaul.com/)?

Thank God hes one of yours. What a pussy. Id take a tasered fan over this ass any day.

[sailor]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4854157236_21bd66d98c.jpg

citi field ranked 9th biggest design fail (http://www.infrastructurist.com/galleries/album/72157624638228186/photo/4854157236/10-biggest-design-fails-9-mets-citi-field-queens-new-york.html) of the past 25 years.

[Kevin]

Dubai, China and NY make up 60% of the list..

[TheGameHHH]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4854157236_21bd66d98c.jpg

citi field ranked 9th biggest design fail (http://www.infrastructurist.com/galleries/album/72157624638228186/photo/4854157236/10-biggest-design-fails-9-mets-citi-field-queens-new-york.html) of the past 25 years.

How is Xanadu not on there?!

[foodcourtdruide]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4854157236_21bd66d98c.jpg

citi field ranked 9th biggest design fail (http://www.infrastructurist.com/galleries/album/72157624638228186/photo/4854157236/10-biggest-design-fails-9-mets-citi-field-queens-new-york.html) of the past 25 years.

This article is incredibly stupid. It's one of the 10 biggest design fails of hte last 25 years because there was a water leak in the outfield and a sign fell? Are you fucking kidding me? This was a bigger disaster than the hotel in North Korea, which does not operate and is an eye-sore on the entire city?

Also, didn't Miller Park collapse during construction KILLING people? Wouldn't that rank higher? Fuck this list!

[Kevin]

This article is incredibly stupid. It's one of the 10 biggest design fails of hte last 25 years because there was a water leak in the outfield and a sign fell? Are you fucking kidding me? This was a bigger disaster than the hotel in North Korea, which does not operate and is an eye-sore on the entire city?

Also, didn't Miller Park collapse during construction KILLING people? Wouldn't that rank higher? Fuck this list!



Its North Korea and Wisconsin..

You expect the failure from them.

[foodcourtdruide]

Its North Korea and Wisconsin..

You expect the failure from them.

Expect an angry response from epo.

[spoon]

This article is incredibly stupid. It's one of the 10 biggest design fails of hte last 25 years because there was a water leak in the outfield and a sign fell? Are you fucking kidding me? This was a bigger disaster than the hotel in North Korea, which does not operate and is an eye-sore on the entire city?

Also, didn't Miller Park collapse during construction KILLING people? Wouldn't that rank higher? Fuck this list!

agreed

[spoon]

However, Year of the Met continues.....

KO Rod! (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ApZj30Lmv6yyfUgL08Kj.MERvLYF?slug=ap-mets-rodriguezassault)

Santana Smooth (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ajjx33.A.X4wj7QaYmPTR.ARvLYF?slug=ap-santanalawsuit)

[Kevin]

3rd degree assult.

[epo]

Expect an angry response from epo.

3rd degree assault would seem appropriate.

[foodcourtdruide]

KRod responded to reports questions with "Mind your own f-ing business!" While I agree with him, it's pretty amazing to see how little he's learned about the New York media in his time here.

[foodcourtdruide]

I've never been a person that thinks management should immediately be fired when a team starts losing. I still don't necessarily think Minaya should go, but after last nights game it is CLEAR that Manuel needs to go.

First of all, why were Tejada and Davis not in the line-up? He said he wanted to keep them fresh, but they had a day off MONDAY. THEY ARE IN THEIR EARLY 20'S!!! THEY CAN PLAY BACK TO BACK GAMES!

And in one of the WORST managing decisions I've EVER seen... he makes a big deal about how Takahashi is your 8th inning guy, he gets 2 quick outs then lets two runners on and HE TAKES HIM OUT. WHY!@#!@#!@# Oh, I get it. He's going to bring in his closer that's been pitching great lately. I understand, you bring in K-Rod, afterall this is a huge game for the Mets, they could use the momentum of a sweep of the Rockies into the Phillies series and maybe gain some serious ground in the wild ca...... NO, HE RELIEVES HIM WITH THE 6TH GUY IN THE BULLPEN DEPTHCHART MANNY ACOSTA!!!! WHY!!!!????? Terrible terrible move. Jerry needs to be fired TODAY and maybe, MAYBE the Mets could put something together against the bad teams they'll be playing after the Phillies series.

[K.C.]

and maybe, MAYBE the Mets could put something together against the bad teams they'll be playing after the Phillies series.

It's cute that you still think like that...

Never lose that innocence.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I can't believe you haven't won back to back games since June.

[Kevin]

I can't believe you haven't won back to back games since June.



I don't think they have won a road series all year either.

I mean like a combo like going 6-5 in on one road trip.

[hammersavage]

I don't think they have won a road series all year either.

I mean like a combo like going 6-5 in on one road trip.

wrong

[Kevin]

wrong



Did they win this last one?

[hammersavage]

Did they win this last one?

mid june against Bal, Cle and the NYY they went 7-2.

[Kevin]

mid june against Bal, Cle and the NYY they went 7-2.



Odd, I could have sworn i heard they had not won one after the philly series...

[NickyL0885]

Odd, I could have sworn i heard they had not won one after the philly series...

They haven't won a road series against the NL this year. I think that's what you heard.

[Kevin]

They haven't won a road series against the NL this year. I think that's what you heard.



Yea, thats it. Thanks

[spoon]

Yea, thats it. Thanks

you still suck

[Kevin]

Predictable as always..

[Jayw]

Mets suck balls.

[Jayw]

Only reason they beat the cards is because La Russa was a puss and put our positon players in those extended inning games. I actually watched them which is why I am pissed. He quit in the 17th inning sigh.... Would of been easy wins.

[Devo37]

great game by Dickey tonight! :thumbup:

but enough with the whip cream pie!!! leave that hack shit to the yankees!! :thumbdown:

[spoon]

this just in, kevin sucks

[hammersavage]

great game by Dickey tonight! :thumbup:

but enough with the whip cream pie!!! leave that hack shit to the yankees!! :thumbdown:



that made me cringe.


But Dickey has been stellar. This was the best pitched game anyone on the team has had all year. A soft liner by the fucking pitcher! It'll never happen.

He needs a two year extension before midnight.

[Kevin]

this just in, kevin sucks



Go build a bridge

[Devo37]

that made me cringe.


But Dickey has been stellar. This was the best pitched game anyone on the team has had all year. A soft liner by the fucking pitcher! It'll never happen.

He needs a two year extension before midnight.

after that b.s. umpire review, i knew he'd give up a hit the next inning. i guess the mets are destined never to have a no hitter. :down:

[hammersavage]

i personally never heard of a ground rule triple. bad call and it took forever!

[epo]

He needs a two year extension before midnight.

Please do, in fact why stop at 2 years?

Let's not forget that this is R.A. Dickey.

[foodcourtdruide]

Please do, in fact why stop at 2 years?

Let's not forget that this is R.A. Dickey.

He's been unbelievably good. The sample size is starting to get too big for this to be ignored. This is really a cool story.

[spoon]

I guess it's time to throw out that smaller sample size that is 2001-2009 with Texas, Seattle and Minnesota. I say sign him to a 5 year contract for big money. It's befitting the Mets. Hell, why not just go out and line up KRod after a record breaking year....oh wait.

[foodcourtdruide]

I guess it's time to throw out that smaller sample size that is 2001-2009 with Texas, Seattle and Minnesota. I say sign him to a 5 year contract for big money. It's befitting the Mets. Hell, why not just go out and line up KRod after a record breaking year....oh wait.

Thanks Harry Hyperbole.

All I'm saying is he's having a very good year and it's a great story.

[spoon]

Thanks Harry Hyperbole.

All I'm saying is he's having a very good year and it's a great story.

Nah, you also said this..."The sample size is starting to get too big for this to be ignored."

Hoping to catch Halladay out duel your newest ace based on a long standing tradition of excellence, Pat Misch! His body of work in trip A simply can't be ignored!

[hammersavage]

Please do, in fact why stop at 2 years?

Let's not forget that this is R.A. Dickey.

no, 2 years.

He has been amazing this season and deserves to come back.

Are you suggesting they just let him walk?

[epo]

no, 2 years.

He has been amazing this season and deserves to come back.

Are you suggesting they just let him walk?

I'm suggesting as a non-Mets fan that the Mets give R.A. Dickey a contract extension for many, many years.

[dino_electropolis]

I'm suggesting as a non-Mets fan that the Mets give R.A. Dickey a contract extension for many, many years.

Hey, we're still payin bobby bonillia, and i think Mo Vaughn's grandkids will be seeing some checks as well.

But i like this dickey guy....because hes a knuckleballer, he's got a few more solid years in him despite his age.


on a side note- anyone else sing thunder road when Davis comes up to bat?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiJMtgrCVeyFH3qOLIOyVhFTzMyZY_h GHnC59plYPd-FJ-jKA&t=1&usg=__yoSn4KOIc_yp4_7aumyMI7pD5mw=
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTb7oXSDmRI7gzIBHGfnO19aKG7BMrnQ TO3xAF_DMlY4IqcHUw&t=1&usg=__oW1ReSxiOhr9acll34cEokALkIw=

[foodcourtdruide]

Nah, you also said this..."The sample size is starting to get too big for this to be ignored."

Hoping to catch Halladay out duel your newest ace based on a long standing tradition of excellence, Pat Misch! His body of work in trip A simply can't be ignored!

Yes, hence the statement, he is having a very good year. I don't know why you're turning that into me saying we should sign him to a 5 year extension.

I really have no idea what his market value would be though. I mean, based on his history (or lack there of), I'd say somewhere in the $6 million range should land him for next season, but the market for pitchers is always insane.

[epo]

Dickey is having one of those "lightning in a bottle" moments. Fuck, you should enjoy it.

I'm just saying that signing him to anything other than for a mild 1-year old is insanity. Consider that he's a 35-year old pitcher, on his 4th team who had prior to 2010 a 5+ERA and a 1.50+ WHIP.

If Omar signs him to multiple years, you'll know he's gone mad.

[dino_electropolis]

Dickey is having one of those "lightning in a bottle" moments. Fuck, you should enjoy it.

I'm just saying that signing him to anything other than for a mild 1-year old is insanity. Consider that he's a 35-year old pitcher, on his 4th team who had prior to 2010 a 5+ERA and a 1.50+ WHIP.

If Omar signs him to multiple years, you'll know he's gone mad.


I agree that his prior record is less than impressive, but his age is a non-issue because he's a knuckleballer....thats just fact.

Mechanically, there is a fraction of the strain on his shoulder because of his pitching style.

That being said, i'd sign him to 1 year, just to make sure that this year isnt a fluke, and if not, lock him up for 3 years after that.

[foodcourtdruide]

I agree that his prior record is less than impressive, but his age is a non-issue because he's a knuckleballer....thats just fact.

Mechanically, there is a fraction of the strain on his shoulder because of his pitching style.

That being said, i'd sign him to 1 year, just to make sure that this year isnt a fluke, and if not, lock him up for 3 years after that.

Yes, if he repeats the stats from this year next year, he'll surely get a 3-year contract in the 30 mil range.

[cougarjake13]

if he can be anywhere close to wakefields production then they should hold on to him


hell at his worst he's still better than olie perez

[spoon]

Yes, if he repeats the stats from this year next year, he'll surely get a 3-year contract in the 30 mil range.

NOT A FUCKING CHANCE IN HELL...unless it's the mets I guess bc well, someone already mentioned bobby b and big mo. He'll get a couple million a year, but to put him in a category of a guy like the Jay's YOUNG Romero with a TWO year sample is ludicrous.

Oh and I think age has plenty to do with the equation not just overall, but especially tied to a guy who mixes in PLENTY of fastballs and other junk with the knuckleball. Rare is the pitcher who can pitch deep into his 30's, even if knuckleball centric.

[cougarjake13]

manuel and minaya are gone






thank god

[Snoogans]

this fuckin cant be real

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[foodcourtdruide]

NOT A FUCKING CHANCE IN HELL...unless it's the mets I guess bc well, someone already mentioned bobby b and big mo. He'll get a couple million a year, but to put him in a category of a guy like the Jay's YOUNG Romero with a TWO year sample is ludicrous.

Oh and I think age has plenty to do with the equation not just overall, but especially tied to a guy who mixes in PLENTY of fastballs and other junk with the knuckleball. Rare is the pitcher who can pitch deep into his 30's, even if knuckleball centric.

Just saw this response from August. Have you seen the contracts pitchers get? A pitcher who puts together 2 consecutive very good years is making at least $10m per in a multiple year contract, Mets or not. Maybe he won't get 3 years, but he'll get 2/$20m AT LEAST.

His ERA+ was 138 this year, if he does that again next year his next contract will be AT LEAST 2/$20M even if he is 38 y/o.

[Snacks]

is it just me or did the mets hire another awful manager? Terry Collins has had 2 other managing jobs both only lasted 2 or 3 seasons each meaning he didnt do well. Hes 10 games over .500 and hasnt managed since 1999. Oh and hes 61!

Something tells me this isnt going to be the right choice!

[newport king]

who gives a shit. managers are only as good as the players you surround them with. joe torre's record before managing the yankees was 894-1003. jack mckeon was 72 when he won the ws with florida. and finally most managers tenure's only last around 3-5 years.

the front office is in good shape, i'm sure they know more about what theyre doing than we do.

[newport king]

this fuckin cant be real

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im working on my curve. i'm thinking about asking to throw BP. they're gonna need a lefty specialist.

[Snacks]

who gives a shit. managers are only as good as the players you surround them with. joe torre's record before managing the yankees was 894-1003. jack mckeon was 72 when he won the ws with florida. and finally most managers tenure's only last around 3-5 years.

the front office is in good shape, i'm sure they know more about what theyre doing than we do.

you sure about that!

[newport king]

i didn't mean ownership. i meant alderson, ricciardi, and depodesta. they're good baseball people. look where they've been before. is it a coincidence that oakland, toronto, and san diego all have great pitching? we're in much better hands than minaya who just loved handing out retirement packages to every dominican that ever picked up a baseball.

[newport king]

anyway who did u want? backman? sure it might have been fun, but i'm not sure him losing his shit on a daily basis with a room full of millionaires is really going to work. when collins doesnt work out, i'll be more than happy to see wally in there.

[Snacks]

Im not even a mets fan but thought hiring a guy who hasnt manged in 11 seasons and has the personality of a noodle might not work in NY. Especially when they guy doesnt have a huge managing track record. Torre, although a losing record did manage 1800 games before coming to the yanks. This guy has managed 800-900 games and hast managed in 11 years!

But then again if you listen to the fan this morning everyone seems to be loving this guy!

[newport king]

i dont know much about him so i cant really say 1 way or another. i would've preferred a backman or valentine but knew neither of those 2 had a shot.

[cougarjake13]

i dont know much about him so i cant really say 1 way or another. i would've preferred a backman or valentine but knew neither of those 2 had a shot.

i def wanted backman


i dont see collins being any more than the 2010s version of art howe

[Snacks]

i def wanted backman


i dont see collins being any more than the 2010s version of art howe

You might be right and you might get backman sooner then later. i just heard on espn they signed collins to a 2 year deal. what new manager only gets 2 years? you usually get 3-4 years to start with not 2. doesnt seem like they have complete faith in him, after 1 season he will be a lam duck manager. nice job mets!

[cougarjake13]

You might be right and you might get backman sooner then later. i just heard on espn they signed collins to a 2 year deal. what new manager only gets 2 years? you usually get 3-4 years to start with not 2. doesnt seem like they have complete faith in him, after 1 season he will be a lam duck manager. nice job mets!

almost seems like they want him to just keep seat warm til things fall in place .. whatever that may be in their minds and then bring in whoever



i honestly off the top of my head cant think of who they might be waiting on

[NickyL0885]

almost seems like they want him to just keep seat warm til things fall in place .. whatever that may be in their minds and then bring in whoever



i honestly off the top of my head cant think of who they might be waiting on

If Collins flops, Chip Hale is next in line. I wanted Wally as well.

[cougarjake13]

If Collins flops, Chip Hale is next in line. I wanted Wally as well.

yeh it just seems pointless to almost concede to failure before it begins


only giving the 2 yrs

[Snacks]

in all honesty why didnt they bring back bobby v? he was a pretty good manager, he was loved by mets fans and he is a big enough name.

[cougarjake13]

in all honesty why didnt they bring back bobby v? he was a pretty good manager, he was loved by mets fans and he is a big enough name.

wilpons

[brettmojo]

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Whammy.

[Joe Pietaro]

The so-called mainstream sports world has had a problem with this article, which makes it even better:

http://www.musclesportmag.com/2011/03/20/fans-racist-attitude-towards-dismantling-of-los-mets-not-shocking/

[Judge Smails]

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[foodcourtdruide]

Stupid article trying to defend xenophobic idiocy. Shea/Citi field has a ton of multi-cultural nights, not just spanish. Also, if you look at the surrounding area, you can understand why they will occassionally have a spanish performer.

The Mets also hold a number of Latino Fiesta nights at Citi Field where all the announcements are in Spanish. “I made the mistake of going to one of those games and I’ll never do it again,” T.C. added. “Why should I have no idea what is being said when I paid the same money for my ticket as someone who speaks Spanish? Call me a racist if you want, but I have no problem admitting that pisses me off.”

This is the dumbest thing in the article. He didn't enjoy the baseball game because the PA announcer was in spanish? "I HATE OTHER LANGUAGES!!! NO!!!!!! NOW I DON'T LIKE BASEBALL ANYMORE :("

Minaya tried to use the Spanish angle to lure players, so what? Do you think Bobby V didn't try to use his ties to Japan to get Japanese players here? Who cares? Do you think white players weren't welcome into the dugout?

[Judge Smails]

Stupid article trying to defend xenophobic idiocy.

Pssst, the OP is also the article writer. So, in a sense, I guess this is spam too. Seems like all we get around here anymore.

[spoon]

I highly doubt TC is being honest. He hated everyone who signed and didn't work out, but loves guys like Santana and others that worked out. It just seems like super hindsight TC has revisionist history.

I also highly doubt he was so against lining up Beltran at the time signed. He started in 1999 as the AL Rookie of the year, and followed it up by putting up an average of about .285 batting average, 20+ doubles, 30+ stolen based, gold glove worthy D and 20+ HRs a year up to his last non-mets year in 2004 (6 year sample). The only year he didn't put up those stats was an incomplete sample bc of injury. Beltran's playoff performance in 2004 only heightened the bidding war for the man and almost every team wanted him.

[spoon]

Pssst, the OP is also the article writer. So, in a sense, I guess this is spam too. Seems like all we get around here anymore.

I'm sure foody noticed. Joe has been here a while now and has thick skin. He posted here for us to discuss didn't he?

[foodcourtdruide]

Pssst, the OP is also the article writer. So, in a sense, I guess this is spam too. Seems like all we get around here anymore.

Oh, um. hm. Didn't really notice. I don't mind Joe posting his articles here. I think it's pretty cool actually, just really disagree.

[spoon]

I'm sure foody noticed. Joe has been here a while now and has thick skin. He posted here for us to discuss didn't he?

Oh, um. hm. Didn't really notice. I don't mind Joe posting his articles here. I think it's pretty cool actually, just really disagree.

Or not!

:flush:

[Judge Smails]

For what its worth - I was just joking about the spam thing.

[foodcourtdruide]

Or not!

:flush:

lol, sorry. it's 2am and i'm jet-lagged and tired.

[spoon]

For what its worth - I was just joking about the spam thing.

Don't worry, Joe drinks 5 spam and raw egg shakes before every workout for maximum muscle building.

Joe Spamtaro, fuck pie!

[spoon]

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[Joe Pietaro]

Don't worry, Joe drinks 5 spam and raw egg shakes before every workout for maximum muscle building.

Joe Spamtaro, fuck pie!
Only 5?

[Joe Pietaro]

Oh, um. hm. Didn't really notice. I don't mind Joe posting his articles here. I think it's pretty cool actually, just really disagree.
Thanks. So I guess we'll agree to disagree? (Fuckin' hate that stupid expression.)

[Joe Pietaro]

I'm sure foody noticed. Joe has been here a while now and has thick skin. He posted here for us to discuss didn't he?
Absolutely. This caught the ire of some mainstream sports sites and I knew they couldn't take it. Wanted to have some fun with it here.

[Joe Pietaro]

I highly doubt TC is being honest. He hated everyone who signed and didn't work out, but loves guys like Santana and others that worked out. It just seems like super hindsight TC has revisionist history.

I also highly doubt he was so against lining up Beltran at the time signed. He started in 1999 as the AL Rookie of the year, and followed it up by putting up an average of about .285 batting average, 20+ doubles, 30+ stolen based, gold glove worthy D and 20+ HRs a year up to his last non-mets year in 2004 (6 year sample). The only year he didn't put up those stats was an incomplete sample bc of injury. Beltran's playoff performance in 2004 only heightened the bidding war for the man and almost every team wanted him.
TC did say in the article that Beltran tried to spurn the Mets for the Yankees at the 11th hour. As for myself, I have always disliked the Beltran move and feel that they signed him to make a splash and Omar felt more comfortable with him than the incumbent CFer Cameron because he is hispanic. They dumped Cameron a year later after moving him to RF.

Beltran had absolutely no pressure on him in KC, but I do agree that his production throughout his career has been good. The problem that I have with him is that he was brought in here to be a big time player and he has not done that. Regular season numbers are all well and good, but you have to do that when the money is on the table. Beltran has not.

Plus the guy is always hurt and has no threshold for pain. How can you command such a large contract and then not be counted on? He was not a good fit when the Mets signed him (Cameron hit for power, played a great outfield and was well liked in the clubhouse) and they would love to get him on the field to prove his knee (the surgically repaired right one, not the left knee he hurt running the bases the only time this spring) is better and trade him away.

Not many folks are going to shed a tear when he is gone. He'll always be remembered for leaving the bat on his shoulder in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS.

[Joe Pietaro]

Stupid article trying to defend xenophobic idiocy. Shea/Citi field has a ton of multi-cultural nights, not just spanish. Also, if you look at the surrounding area, you can understand why they will occassionally have a spanish performer.

The Mets also hold a number of Latino Fiesta nights at Citi Field where all the announcements are in Spanish. “I made the mistake of going to one of those games and I’ll never do it again,” T.C. added. “Why should I have no idea what is being said when I paid the same money for my ticket as someone who speaks Spanish? Call me a racist if you want, but I have no problem admitting that pisses me off.”

This is the dumbest thing in the article. He didn't enjoy the baseball game because the PA announcer was in spanish? "I HATE OTHER LANGUAGES!!! NO!!!!!! NOW I DON'T LIKE BASEBALL ANYMORE :("

Minaya tried to use the Spanish angle to lure players, so what? Do you think Bobby V didn't try to use his ties to Japan to get Japanese players here? Who cares? Do you think white players weren't welcome into the dugout?
I have to agree with TC on the theme nights. I hate them all and feel that they have no place at a ballpark. And the PA announcements in any other language but English are a fuckin' joke, as well.

When I'm sitting in the press box at Citi Field, the announcements to the reporters are not bilingual. But hearing the at-bat intro music (any song, not just salsa) tends to get annoying and hearing the PA in another language is distracting.

Valentine's first stint in Japan lasted only one year, in 1995. Not saying that he didn't make some contacts there that he used later on with the Mets, but when Minaya publicly admitted that he feels more comfortable negotiating and bringing in Spanish players, that is also saying that he may not be going after the best fit if that guy wasn't hispanic. That I have a huge problem with.

[spoon]

I have to agree with TC on the theme nights. I hate them all and feel that they have no place at a ballpark. And the PA announcements in any other language but English are a fuckin' joke, as well.

When I'm sitting in the press box at Citi Field, the announcements to the reporters are not bilingual. But hearing the at-bat intro music (any song, not just salsa) tends to get annoying and hearing the PA in another language is distracting.

Valentine's first stint in Japan lasted only one year, in 1995. Not saying that he didn't make some contacts there that he used later on with the Mets, but when Minaya publicly admitted that he feels more comfortable negotiating and bringing in Spanish players, that is also saying that he may not be going after the best fit if that guy wasn't hispanic. That I have a huge problem with.

So the real question is, when is RonFez.net Night at Citi! Both mirror each other in falling apart and all things gay! Yah, I'm in!

[Snoogans]

So the real question is, when is RonFez.net Night at Citi! Both mirror each other in falling apart and all things gay! Yah, I'm in!

there is way more people posting on here daily then will be at citi field

[spoon]

there is way more people posting on here daily then will be at citi field

so 6, the number is 6

[foodcourtdruide]

TC did say in the article that Beltran tried to spurn the Mets for the Yankees at the 11th hour. As for myself, I have always disliked the Beltran move and feel that they signed him to make a splash and Omar felt more comfortable with him than the incumbent CFer Cameron because he is hispanic. They dumped Cameron a year later after moving him to RF.

Beltran had absolutely no pressure on him in KC, but I do agree that his production throughout his career has been good. The problem that I have with him is that he was brought in here to be a big time player and he has not done that. Regular season numbers are all well and good, but you have to do that when the money is on the table. Beltran has not.

Plus the guy is always hurt and has no threshold for pain. How can you command such a large contract and then not be counted on? He was not a good fit when the Mets signed him (Cameron hit for power, played a great outfield and was well liked in the clubhouse) and they would love to get him on the field to prove his knee (the surgically repaired right one, not the left knee he hurt running the bases the only time this spring) is better and trade him away.

Not many folks are going to shed a tear when he is gone. He'll always be remembered for leaving the bat on his shoulder in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS.

I agree with everything you said here, except I don't think it has anything to do with him being hispanic. You can probably apply everything you said here to several other non-hispanic players that were signed by other teams.

Also, I will always remember him for game 7 of 2006 nlcs too, I was at that game. Heartbreaking.

[foodcourtdruide]

I have to agree with TC on the theme nights. I hate them all and feel that they have no place at a ballpark. And the PA announcements in any other language but English are a fuckin' joke, as well.

When I'm sitting in the press box at Citi Field, the announcements to the reporters are not bilingual. But hearing the at-bat intro music (any song, not just salsa) tends to get annoying and hearing the PA in another language is distracting.

Valentine's first stint in Japan lasted only one year, in 1995. Not saying that he didn't make some contacts there that he used later on with the Mets, but when Minaya publicly admitted that he feels more comfortable negotiating and bringing in Spanish players, that is also saying that he may not be going after the best fit if that guy wasn't hispanic. That I have a huge problem with.

Why do you have a huge problem with it? Who cares? Let's say he was from Iowa, and he would publically state that he's more comfortable negotiating with playeres from Iowa because he feels a common ground with them. Would you care? Someone in Minaya's position is going to use whatever leverage they have to gain the upper-hand on the competition.

Unless there's some proof that white players were ostricized in the clubhouse (and I have NEVER heard this from ANY former Mets, in fact, Billy Wagner always praises the organization), then there's no story here.

[foodcourtdruide]

I have to agree with TC on the theme nights. I hate them all and feel that they have no place at a ballpark. And the PA announcements in any other language but English are a fuckin' joke, as well.

When I'm sitting in the press box at Citi Field, the announcements to the reporters are not bilingual. But hearing the at-bat intro music (any song, not just salsa) tends to get annoying and hearing the PA in another language is distracting.

Valentine's first stint in Japan lasted only one year, in 1995. Not saying that he didn't make some contacts there that he used later on with the Mets, but when Minaya publicly admitted that he feels more comfortable negotiating and bringing in Spanish players, that is also saying that he may not be going after the best fit if that guy wasn't hispanic. That I have a huge problem with.

Also, regarding the theme nights, etc. I just don't feel this way at all. I don't know how someone can grow up in a place like New York City and be bothered by other cultures and other languages. It's not like the PA Announcements are sharing some vital information.

[KnoxHarrington]

Hey, the price on the Mets is dropping fast. At this rate, we'll be able to pool some money together and buy it ourselves.

The New York Mets are lowering their price expectations, The Post has learned.
"The price [on the team] is dropping," a source close to one of the bidding groups said, after the qualified bidder met with representatives of the team and after he learned how much the minority stake would cost.
The stake valued the entire money-losing team at less than the $1 billion to $1.3 billion value its banker had previously told bidders it felt the team was worth.
The person close to the bidding group would not say exactly how much the team was now saying it is worth.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/mets_market_value_going_into_slump_UC8tAJCx6hQBbba DH21cgO#ixzz1Ho9JLd8d

I have no idea why anyone would want to buy into the Mets as a minority owner. The only way I think anyone would be interested is if they can buy it outright and toss the Wilpons out on their ass. This team is going to be a total mess until they do that.

[Joe Pietaro]

Why do you have a huge problem with it? Who cares? Let's say he was from Iowa, and he would publically state that he's more comfortable negotiating with playeres from Iowa because he feels a common ground with them. Would you care? Someone in Minaya's position is going to use whatever leverage they have to gain the upper-hand on the competition.

Unless there's some proof that white players were ostricized in the clubhouse (and I have NEVER heard this from ANY former Mets, in fact, Billy Wagner always praises the organization), then there's no story here.
The problem that I have with it is that if Minaya went after an hispanic player because of his admitted comfort level with them, perhaps he didn't pursue the best fit for the Mets. There very well could have been a free agent or possible trade acquisition that didn't fit Minaya's hispanic criteria that he didn't make any or a greater effort to sign or deal for because there was an hispanic guy available.

There is no way that scenario (which is true, as per Minaya's past public admissions) should be fluffed off as no big deal. As a journalist and life-long Mets fan, I find that reprehensible.

Even in a hypothetical situation where the Mets GM was a greaseball like myself and said that he likes to bring in fellow wops, I would still have an issue with that. Perhaps he went after Lee Mazzilli when Cesar Cedeno was there for the taking.

[Joe Pietaro]

I agree with everything you said here, except I don't think it has anything to do with him being hispanic. You can probably apply everything you said here to several other non-hispanic players that were signed by other teams.

Also, I will always remember him for game 7 of 2006 nlcs too, I was at that game. Heartbreaking.
I was at Shea that night, too. If I remember correctly, it started pouring rain about 1/2 after the game ended. That was one night where the Mets actually took care of the press and set up a tent in the lot giving us free food and beer. It took some of the sting out, even the sight of the Cards celebrating in their locker room (one that smelled like champagne).

I'm not just saying the hispanic thing played a part in Beltran's signing. I'm using the information at hand to make that judgement. Minaya may not have named specific instances where the hispanic angle played a part in him picking up Player A, but he has gone on record saying that he felt more comfortable negotiating with and trading for Spanish guys.

When the team had a very serviceable incumbent center fielder, one that was signed and had a reasonable contract, it leads me to believe that Beltran's heritage had something to do with him being here. Unless I hear something to change my mind, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[Joe Pietaro]

Also, regarding the theme nights, etc. I just don't feel this way at all. I don't know how someone can grow up in a place like New York City and be bothered by other cultures and other languages. It's not like the PA Announcements are sharing some vital information.
Perhaps growing up and living in NY makes me a bit cynical when it comes to foreign languages being spoken and the people doing the talking. I'm the furthest thing from a liberal and have no problem taking a stance like that.

Even as a kid in Brooklyn, the geeps talking Italian were annoying to me (some even my own family members) and I thought it was time they got their shit together and learned the English language. The biggest difference was that the vast majority of them spoke perfect English and just spoke the old language amongst close friends. A lot of these people today have lived here forever and have no intention of learning English. Why placate to them with bilingual signs on the subway and ballpark announcements in their native tongue?

Fuck them if they miss an important announcement because they refuse to learn the language spoken in this country. And before anyone starts cunting out by saying that English is a strong second language in many foreign countries, that's only because they want to take our money and a tourist may feel more comfortable with a shop owner, for instance, if he/she can communicate well with the American looking to spend their vacation money on a piece of shit trinket.

[Snacks]

Perhaps growing up and living in NY makes me a bit cynical when it comes to foreign languages being spoken and the people doing the talking. I'm the furthest thing from a liberal and have no problem taking a stance like that.

Even as a kid in Brooklyn, the geeps talking Italian were annoying to me (some even my own family members) and I thought it was time they got their shit together and learned the English language. The biggest difference was that the vast majority of them spoke perfect English and just spoke the old language amongst close friends. A lot of these people today have lived here forever and have no intention of learning English. Why placate to them with bilingual signs on the subway and ballpark announcements in their native tongue?

Fuck them if they miss an important announcement because they refuse to learn the language spoken in this country. And before anyone starts cunting out by saying that English is a strong second language in many foreign countries, that's only because they want to take our money and a tourist may feel more comfortable with a shop owner, for instance, if he/she can communicate well with the American looking to spend their vacation money on a piece of shit trinket.

I agree with all this and as an Italian myself I also grew up with family members who were "off the boat" but everyone spoke English. The very first thing my grandfather did was learn English so he could get a job but instead he enlisted in the US military.

As a liberal (mainly on social and personal issues) I too agree that the difference between todays immigrants and those before is that these current immigrants dont want to nor care to learn the language. Everyone thinks white people hate all these Latin immigrants and that they are changing our country. Thats not true I think most Americans know that what makes this country great is the mix of cultures but the current Latino explosion is different. When teams have these nights they never change the signs or announcer to that theme nights language EXCEPT when its some sort of Spanish theme night. Why is that? Its because they are the only immigrants where the majority of them dont care about learning English and we have made it too easy for them to not care. Maybe they should make English our countries language, maybe they should make it a law to learn English to become a citizen/ get a green card/Visa etc? I dont know but people need to understand that is the 1 argument most people have against the Latin American immigrant. And its not only conservative whites who feel that way. Many left leaning people of all colors dont like it either!

[Joe Pietaro]

I agree with all this and as an Italian myself I also grew up with family members who were "off the boat" but everyone spoke English. The very first thing my grandfather did was learn English so he could get a job but instead he enlisted in the US military.

As a liberal (mainly on social and personal issues) I too agree that the difference between todays immigrants and those before is that these current immigrants dont want to nor care to learn the language. Everyone thinks white people hate all these Latin immigrants and that they are changing our country. Thats not true I think most Americans know that what makes this country great is the mix of cultures but the current Latino explosion is different. When teams have these nights they never change the signs or announcer to that theme nights language EXCEPT when its some sort of Spanish theme night. Why is that? Its because they are the only immigrants where the majority of them dont care about learning English and we have made it too easy for them to not care. Maybe they should make English our countries language, maybe they should make it a law to learn English to become a citizen/ get a green card/Visa etc? I dont know but people need to understand that is the 1 argument most people have against the Latin American immigrant. And its not only conservative whites who feel that way. Many left leaning people of all colors dont like it either!
Snacks,

Bravo. Well said.

[cougarjake13]

still have a complete disconnect with this team

[Snoogans]

Perhaps growing up and living in NY makes me a bit cynical when it comes to foreign languages being spoken and the people doing the talking. I'm the furthest thing from a liberal and have no problem taking a stance like that.

Even as a kid in Brooklyn, the geeps talking Italian were annoying to me (some even my own family members) and I thought it was time they got their shit together and learned the English language. The biggest difference was that the vast majority of them spoke perfect English and just spoke the old language amongst close friends. A lot of these people today have lived here forever and have no intention of learning English. Why placate to them with bilingual signs on the subway and ballpark announcements in their native tongue?

Fuck them if they miss an important announcement because they refuse to learn the language spoken in this country. And before anyone starts cunting out by saying that English is a strong second language in many foreign countries, that's only because they want to take our money and a tourist may feel more comfortable with a shop owner, for instance, if he/she can communicate well with the American looking to spend their vacation money on a piece of shit trinket.

because english is not the official language of the United States. We dont have an official language. Most people speak english, but our citizenship test is offered in like 220 languages. There is no law stating english is our official language, therefore they are not required to learn it

[KnoxHarrington]

because english is not the official language of the United States. We dont have an official language. Most people speak english, but our citizenship test is offered in like 220 languages. There is no law stating english is our official language, therefore they are not required to learn it

I love how many "free market libertarians" get all pissed off when a private organization like the Mets chooses to cater to customers for whom English is not their native tongue.

And this "these immigrants won't assimilate!" horseshit has been slung at every single immigrant group that has come to this country. Same shit, different people.

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ENGLISH mother fucker!

:devil2:

[foodcourtdruide]

I love how many "free market libertarians" get all pissed off when a private organization like the Mets chooses to cater to customers for whom English is not their native tongue.

And this "these immigrants won't assimilate!" horseshit has been slung at every single immigrant group that has come to this country. Same shit, different people.

Geraldo Rivera made a great point on O&A once. Have you ever met a 1st generation american that didn't speak fluent English? What the hell is the big deal?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love how many "free market libertarians" get all pissed off when a private organization like the Mets chooses to cater to customers for whom English is not their native tongue.

And this "these immigrants won't assimilate!" horseshit has been slung at every single immigrant group that has come to this country. Same shit, different people.

Many immigrants especially the illegal aliens (they are not immigrants) have no desire to learn English since they have a media empire such as univision and telemundo so they will continue to isolate themselves and stay far behind everyone else.

If I was an immigrant I would want to learn English so that I would be able to understand the laws , have a basic understanding of the constitution and declaration of independence. Its a matter of improving my standard of living instead of being in a sheltered bubble.


Why is it that Immigrants from Asia can learn english when they use a totally alphabet/character structure. Some of their languages read from right to left.

If a business wants to cater to non english speaking people by having multilingual signs its their choice, but forcing them to is flat out wrong

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree with all this and as an Italian myself I also grew up with family members who were "off the boat" but everyone spoke English. The very first thing my grandfather did was learn English so he could get a job but instead he enlisted in the US military.

As a liberal (mainly on social and personal issues) I too agree that the difference between todays immigrants and those before is that these current immigrants dont want to nor care to learn the language. Everyone thinks white people hate all these Latin immigrants and that they are changing our country. Thats not true I think most Americans know that what makes this country great is the mix of cultures but the current Latino explosion is different. When teams have these nights they never change the signs or announcer to that theme nights language EXCEPT when its some sort of Spanish theme night. Why is that? Its because they are the only immigrants where the majority of them dont care about learning English and we have made it too easy for them to not care. Maybe they should make English our countries language, maybe they should make it a law to learn English to become a citizen/ get a green card/Visa etc? I dont know but people need to understand that is the 1 argument most people have against the Latin American immigrant. And its not only conservative whites who feel that way. Many left leaning people of all colors dont like it either!

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ENGLISH mother fucker!

:devil2:

What? This is America. Hablo Espanol!!!!!

[Snoogans]

Many immigrants especially the illegal aliens (they are not immigrants) have no desire to learn English since they have a media empire such as univision and telemundo so they will continue to isolate themselves and stay far behind everyone else.

If I was an immigrant I would want to learn English so that I would be able to understand the laws , have a basic understanding of the constitution and declaration of independence. Its a matter of improving my standard of living instead of being in a sheltered bubble.


Why is it that Immigrants from Asia can learn english when they use a totally alphabet/character structure. Some of their languages read from right to left.

If a business wants to cater to non english speaking people by having multilingual signs its their choice, but forcing them to is flat out wrong

but you can get all those things in spanish. they can read the constitution in spanish.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

but you can get all those things in spanish. they can read the constitution in spanish.

True, but since an immigrant is living here, they should have the desire to speak the language spoken by an overwhelming majority of the population. This prevents Balkanization. Why do they feel that they should be catered to? I dont believe that someone should be required to speak English, but I shouldnt be required to speak their language. I speak 3 languages because I choose to.

Ever see when the illegals march demanding amnesty. They are always flying the flag of their home countries, While that is not against the law, it is still not beneficial to them or Americans.


T.R. a progressive ironically said it best


"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an

American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

"But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."

[Snoogans]

True, but since an immigrant is living here, they should have the desire to speak the language spoken by an overwhelming majority of the population. Why do they feel that they should be catered to? I dont believe that someone should be required to speak English, but I shouldnt be required to speak their language. I speak 3 languages because I choose to.

im not attempting to debate. My opinion is that you should learn the majority language of the country you live in. However, since English is not our official language, i dont agree that its right to force someone to do it or act like they are an asshole because they dont do it. Whether English should be our official language or not is for another debate

[WRESTLINGFAN]

im not attempting to debate. My opinion is that you should learn the majority language of the country you live in. However, since English is not our official language, i dont agree that its right to force someone to do it or act like they are an asshole because they dont do it. Whether English should be our official language or not is for another debate

Just started one in the Pol/Curr events section

[foodcourtdruide]

Many immigrants especially the illegal aliens (they are not immigrants) have no desire to learn English since they have a media empire such as univision and telemundo so they will continue to isolate themselves and stay far behind everyone else.

If I was an immigrant I would want to learn English so that I would be able to understand the laws , have a basic understanding of the constitution and declaration of independence. Its a matter of improving my standard of living instead of being in a sheltered bubble.


Why is it that Immigrants from Asia can learn english when they use a totally alphabet/character structure. Some of their languages read from right to left.

If a business wants to cater to non english speaking people by having multilingual signs its their choice, but forcing them to is flat out wrong

Who has forced business to cater to non-english speaking people? Where has this happened?

The system we have now is fine. Again, this isn't an issue. How many first generation Americans don't speak English? This is a totally pointless argument meant to rile-up the anti-immigrant crowd. Spanish over the PA at a Mets game is not having an impact on any of our lives.

[spoon]

Ever see when the illegals march demanding amnesty. They are always flying the flag of their home countries, While that is not against the law, it is still not beneficial to them or Americans.


T.R. a progressive ironically said it best


"But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."

That quote sums up anything but what this country is and how it was formed. If that's your view for the US, you might want to move bc it couldn't be more off.

[hanso]

Will Carlos Beltran bust out again? He landed on my fantasy MLB team.

[cougarjake13]

Will Carlos Beltran bust out again? He landed on my fantasy MLB team.

no

[spoon]

He has AL DH written all over him by the end of the year if the Mets agree to take on even more salary for players not actually playing on their team any longer. Bonilla, Castillo, Perez and perhaps Beltran.

[foodcourtdruide]

Will Carlos Beltran bust out again? He landed on my fantasy MLB team.

If he plays I think he'll do OK, but I just can't imagine a world where Carlos Beltran isn't on the DL.

[hanso]

I read they will take it slow with him # innings and he will be off this Sunday day/night games.

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[Snoogans]

Who has forced business to cater to non-english speaking people? Where has this happened?

The system we have now is fine. Again, this isn't an issue. How many first generation Americans don't speak English? This is a totally pointless argument meant to rile-up the anti-immigrant crowd. Spanish over the PA at a Mets game is not having an impact on any of our lives.

omar minaya did for awhile

[foodcourtdruide]

omar minaya did for awhile

Omar Minaya IS/WAS the business.