official mlb salary cap discussion thread

[sailor]

have at it.

[cougarjake13]

this must be what its like at the owner and gm meetings when this topic gets brought up

[oh_kee_pa]

its been proven, although to a minimal point that it isn't needed...

the success of the twins, marlins, rockies, a's have given salary cap zero chance...

and, i think it makes the game better... but of course, i live in new york

[cougarjake13]

its been proven, although to a minimal point that it isn't needed...

the success of the twins, marlins, rockies, a's have given salary cap zero chance...

and, i think it makes the game better... but of course, i live in new york

and the rays last year also

[OGC]

this should be exciting

[Marc with a c]

its been proven, although to a minimal point that it isn't needed...

the success of the twins, marlins, rockies, a's have given salary cap zero chance...

and, i think it makes the game better... but of course, i live in new york

i'm a mets fan and it scares me what the mets would do when they have to make decisions based on money as well but a cap would make it so much more balanced. not even looking at the yanks red sox and angels that make the playoffs every year, but look how many team that the season is over before it even starts.

[NickyL0885]

A cap would give all teams a chance to sign top free agents. I know people say owners of the Pirates or Royals are cheap. But how could they compete with the likes of Boston, New York, LA etc. Lets say after next season, Roy Halladay hits the markey. A cap would make it so every team had a chance. The Yankees can't offer 150mil+.

[Knowledged_one]

its been proven, although to a minimal point that it isn't needed...

the success of the twins, marlins, rockies, a's have given salary cap zero chance...

and, i think it makes the game better... but of course, i live in new york

Twins - small market division
rockies - small market division outside of LA
Marlins - they hang around not competitive anymore
a's - Really since Artie Moreno opened his checkbook they havent really been relevant.

middle america teams will always fair well and make the playoffs because they all are on an equal payscale relatively, on the east and west coast is where the disparity is

[GregoryJoseph]

More like salary crap...

[Knowledged_one]

and just like a cap there should be a minimum salary that teams should pay their players

I think this year is the first year the yankees really get hit with the luxury tax, i think there was some provision because they were spending their own money to build part of the new stadium a portion of that luxury tax was defrayed to the stadium cost. Of course i could be wrong on that

[KnoxHarrington]

The thing of it, though, is that if you look at the NFL, which has a very tough salary cap, the parity of recent years seems to be disappearing. There are fewer really good teams now, and more just total dogshit teams. In short, it's more like, well, baseball.

I'd be in favor of maybe charging more of a luxury tax on big-payroll teams, but it's unfair to a team like the Yankees to pay to put a good team on the field, and then have to pay out cash to a team like the Royals who just put the money in their pockets rather than use it to get players. So I think I'd require a certain percentage of that luxury tax money go to player salaries.

[monkfish]

Go back to Russia.

[sailor]

So I think I'd require a certain percentage of that luxury tax money go to player salaries.

like all of it.

[TheMojoPin]

A cap would give all teams a chance to sign top free agents. I know people say owners of the Pirates or Royals are cheap. But how could they compete with the likes of Boston, New York, LA etc. Lets say after next season, Roy Halladay hits the markey. A cap would make it so every team had a chance. The Yankees can't offer 150mil+.

The Pirates and Royals don't compete with any of those teams.

[TheGameHHH]

I dont know the NBA too well but can't teams spent over the cap then just pay a luxury tax in addendum just like MLB has now, considering this cap is a soft cap? i think the nhl is the only league without a luxury tax

[epo]

My 5-Step Plan:

1. Higher revenue sharing
2. Institute a salary floor for team to compensate for the revenue sharing
3. Make all international players go into the amateur draft
4. Improve the free agent compensation model.
5. Luxury tax for team salaries above a certain number (say $220M-ish), i.e. soft cap.

Should I just send that to Bud Selig now?

[TripleSkeet]

The thing of it, though, is that if you look at the NFL, which has a very tough salary cap, the parity of recent years seems to be disappearing. There are fewer really good teams now, and more just total dogshit teams. In short, it's more like, well, baseball.


I disagree. 6 years ago the Bucs and Raiders were inthe Super Bowl. Now they are dogshit. 8 Years ago the Rams were in the Super Bowl. They blow now. There is alot more parity in football now. Now maybe the teams that suck may suck at a bigger rate, but through free agents and smart drafting they can rebuild without getting outbid by bigger market teams every year.

Just look at teams like Arizona and Denver. Teams like Detroit and Washington suck not because they cant spend money, but because they are just mismanaged teams. If they hired the right personall they could definitely become contenders again. Its amazing that with the draft picks theyve had that Detroit could fuck up as much as they do.

[Willmore]

I despise authority.

I'm starting an UNofficial mlb salary cap discussion thread. Who's with me?

[TheMojoPin]

I disagree. 6 years ago the Bucs and Raiders were inthe Super Bowl. Now they are dogshit. 8 Years ago the Rams were in the Super Bowl. They blow now. There is alot more parity in football now. Now maybe the teams that suck may suck at a bigger rate, but through free agents and smart drafting they can rebuild without getting outbid by bigger market teams every year.

How did that list of WS participants not show parity in baseball?

[TripleSkeet]

How did that list of WS participants not show parity in baseball?

Show the list of playoff teams. Not just WS participants. And you had 21 out of a possible 38.

[sailor]

Bear in mind 38% of NFL teams make the playoffs every year while only 27% do in MLB.

[TheMojoPin]

Show the list of playoff teams. Not just WS participants. And you had 21 out of a possible 38.

You have some variance over the 20-year-timeframe (Expos becoming the Nats, 4 expansion teams added), but 21 of 30 teams have been to the WS in the last 20 years. That means at least 21 different teams have made the playoffs in that timeframe. Finding the playoff list is just going to increase that number. Is your issue with the number of times different teams have gone to the playoffs? What's the "acceptable" number of times teams have to have gone to the playoffs in the last 20 years? What's too many times?

[Section 8]

Why not just have a rule that every team's MUST spend $125 million on salaries with a +/- of $5 million?

If you don't spend enough, you are put on a list. 5 years on the list, and MLB starts looking for new owners to take over the team, which can be relocated if necessary to cities that want teams, but no city that already has teams in it.

If you spend too much, you are fined 100% of the overage (ex. if you are $10 million over on salary, you pay $10 million in fines). Monies from fines go into MLB funds for retirement, drug/alcohol rehab, etc.

[TheMojoPin]

You've earned your board name.