Local/State Elections

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is an off year for elections, Mid term congressional elections wont happen until next year, However there are a few interesting elections on a local and state level. I live in Fairlield County, CT, But I get all the NYC channels and it looks like Bloomberg will win another term even though most people in NYC opposed the reversal of the term limits. Bloomberg seems to still be popular

For NJ It looks like the race is tightening up btwn Corzine and Christie. Christie has been on the tail end of fat jokes but I wouldnt be surprised if he wins. He's more of a Christine Todd-Whitman/Tom Keane republican. The other race for governor is in Virginia. I remember reading a few months back that the GOP Contender is some type of religious right Republican but that race is a close one as well

Finally theres Westchester county NY. I used to live in Yonkers and many people I know have had it with County Exec Andrew Spano. Hes been at the helm for about 12 years.

For any of you who live in those respective areas, any predictions insight on these races?

[A.J.]

For VA Governor, it looks like GOP candidate Bob McConnell has a pretty good lead over Democrat Creigh Deeds. From what I've read/heard, it seems like Deeds is real good at saying why you shouldn't vote for McConnell, yet real bad at explaining why instead you should vote for Deeds.

I truly hope you plan to vote for Linda McMahon instead of Chris Dodd. I hate Dodd and nothing would make me happier than to see his career come to an end like this (though he's most likely going to win as usual).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For VA Governor, it looks like GOP candidate Bob McConnell has a pretty good lead over Democrat Creigh Deeds. From what I've read/heard, it seems like Deeds is real good at saying why you shouldn't vote for McConnell, yet read bad at explaining why instead you should vote for Deeds.

I truly hope you plan to vote for Linda McMahon instead of Chris Dodd. I hate Dodd and nothing would make me happier than to see his career come to an end like this (though he's most likely going to win as usual).

Didnt McConnell have his "Macaca" moment when it was revealed that he wrote a thesis saying women shouldnt be in the workplace about 20 years ago? How will it affect his campaign?

Ive only been in CT since January but If Im correct Dodd inherited his seat from his father. Right now Peter Schiff is my choice for Senate hes more of a libertarian even though hes running on the GOP Ticket. However if its Linda then shes a better choice than Dodd. He is dead weight, Im starting to see a lot of signs here that say "DUMP DODD"

[HBox]

The favorite in the Republican primary and perhaps overall in the CT Senate race is Rob Simmons. I have no idea what Linda McMahon is thinking. She's going to waste a ton of money and not get out of the primary, and probably not even make the primary close.

As for NJ, Christie is still the favorite but cost himself by trying to run on his unearned reputation of being some corruption fighter. He's just the same as everyone else. Remember when Bush was President and that US Attorney scandal where they were firing US attorneys they felt were disloyal? Christie was on that list, and then all of a sudden got taken off. Not coincidentally right around when a report was leaked that Robert Menendez was supposedly under a federal investigation right before the NJ Senate election in 2006. Nothing ever came of that in the years since. No charges, no indictment, nothing. So when all these other stories came out of him abusing his power I was not surprised in the least.

I don't know who will win the NJ Governor race but I do know that the independent candidate Chris Daggett will take a large percentage of the vote. I wouldn't be surprised if the winner has less than 40% of the vote.

[A.J.]

Didnt McConnell have his "Macaca" moment when it was revealed that he wrote a thesis saying women shouldnt be in the workplace about 20 years ago? How will it affect his campaign?

I don't think it has mattered.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres a funny commercial for the NJ Gov election

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7kwVD97mE

[A.J.]

Yeah, I'm smart: it's McDonnell not McConnell.

All these Mick names sound the same.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even though its a special election for a congressional seat for Upstate NY, its been getting a lot of national coverage. Newt is supporting the McCain type Republican




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28730.html

[LordJezo]

Corzine is pretty much a lock in at this point. He has been advertising heavily in poor minority areas and Obama was here in Newark and Camden to get the black vote increased to support him. Christie has been saying things like "Taxes in NJ are the highest in the country" and "Unemployment is the highest in the area" while Corzine has been saying things like "Christie is fat". Corzine has the right method, the poor don't care about stuff like high taxes and property tax rebates as they are all on welfare and don't care about things like that. Corzine is promising handouts and that if Christie is elected mammograms might be taken away by insurance companies.

Corzine's second term will be sure to ruin this state even more.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Corzine is pretty much a lock in at this point. He has been advertising heavily in poor minority areas and Obama was here in Newark and Camden to get the black vote increased to support him. Christie has been saying things like "Taxes in NJ are the highest in the country" and "Unemployment is the highest in the area" while Corzine has been saying things like "Christie is fat". Corzine has the right method, the poor don't care about stuff like high taxes and property tax rebates as they are all on welfare and don't care about things like that. Corzine is promising handouts and that if Christie is elected mammograms might be taken away by insurance companies.

Corzine's second term will be sure to ruin this state even more.

zero liability voters dont care, they hear democrat and like lemmings they will vote for Corzine

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Theres a saying that goes "When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Pauls vote"

[LordJezo]

Happy Corzine Day everybody!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Happy Corzine Day everybody!

If Corzine loses will it be a referendum on Obama? I know hes been back and forth in NJ campaigning for him

[Ponyboy]

Bloomberg all the way....he bought me...er... I mean...he sold me!!

[LordJezo]

If Corzine loses will it be a referendum on Obama? I know hes been back and forth in NJ campaigning for him

Some nonsense like that is the way the news is spinning it, but he wont lose, they are just trying to scare the voters.

[Freitag]

Corzine is pretty much a lock in at this point. He has been advertising heavily in poor minority areas and Obama was here in Newark and Camden to get the black vote increased to support him. Christie has been saying things like "Taxes in NJ are the highest in the country" and "Unemployment is the highest in the area" while Corzine has been saying things like "Christie is fat". Corzine has the right method, the poor don't care about stuff like high taxes and property tax rebates as they are all on welfare and don't care about things like that. Corzine is promising handouts and that if Christie is elected mammograms might be taken away by insurance companies.

Corzine's second term will be sure to ruin this state even more.

Congratulations. Your posts usually suck and are full of exagerration and malarkey, but you pretty much nailed this one on the head.

Christie completely blew this election. He had Corzine dead to rights on a ton of stuff - including how the majority of the people busted in that corruption scandal were democrats - but he didn't take advanatage on anything.

He completely, totally, missed an easy slam dunk.

However - I would not be surprised if Daggett wins. I would be more surprised if Christie won.

[topless_mike]

However - I would not be surprised if Daggett wins. I would be more surprised if Christie won.

as long as its not corzine. i already went out and did my part to prevent that.

[Jujubees2]

And I did my part to get rid of Bloomberg

http://files.voterevbilly.org/images/believe_hp_block.jpg

[Jujubees2]

However - I would not be surprised if Daggett wins. I would be more surprised if Christie won.

Guess Rudy doesn't agree with you

Giuliani to Daggett: You Have No Chance (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33561804)

[LordJezo]

ACORN steals NJ election for Dems.

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/01/will-corzine-allies-steal-the-election-in-new-jersey-acorn-dirty-tricks-and-absentee-ballot-fraud/

What a surprise.

[ope]

ACORN steals NJ election for Dems.

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/01/will-corzine-allies-steal-the-election-in-new-jersey-acorn-dirty-tricks-and-absentee-ballot-fraud/

What a surprise.

What isn't a surprise is having a right-wing lunatic blame ACORN for "stealing" an election without any proof.

[Syd]

For VA Governor, it looks like GOP candidate Bob McConnell has a pretty good lead over Democrat Creigh Deeds. From what I've read/heard, it seems like Deeds is real good at saying why you shouldn't vote for McConnell, yet real bad at explaining why instead you should vote for Deeds.

I truly hope you plan to vote for Linda McMahon instead of Chris Dodd. I hate Dodd and nothing would make me happier than to see his career come to an end like this (though he's most likely going to win as usual).

Deeds is just another piece of shit Republican who is "pro choice" but knows they can't actually win as a Republican. McConnell is going to be a horrible choice for the state but Deeds will be a lot worse.

As far as McMahon goes, the GOP fought tooth and nail to keep her from entering the race. Her entering virtually guarantees Dodd re-election, especially if healthcare reform passes.

[Syd]

Even though its a special election for a congressional seat for Upstate NY, its been getting a lot of national coverage. Newt is supporting the McCain type Republican




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28730.html

It's a weird situation there -- the PBA basically put their candidate forth because the other Republican wasn't playing ball with them. The Democrat is a shitheel bluedog so most liberals don't want him to win, in addition to the fact that most feel that the GOP could begin splintering a bit from people deeming the GOP "too liberal". Most Democrats are really hoping for a Conservative win up there since it might put Club for Growth and their ilk back on track to target their own party.

[keithy_19]

I really don't like Corzine. I don't really like Christie. Out of the two, I'm voting for Christie. Not really sure what Corzine has done that has made this state better.

[badmonkey]

I really don't like Corzine. I don't really like Christie. Out of the two, I'm voting for Christie. Not really sure what Corzine has done that has made this state better.

He reminded everybody why they should wear their seat belts!

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_04_corzinepost.jpg

[LordJezo]

What isn't a surprise is having a right-wing lunatic blame ACORN for "stealing" an election without any proof.

Did you even read the link? Reports are being made of ACORN going crazy and getting tons of Corzine votes for people who aren't even voting.

The state is deep in the democrat's pockets. There is no stopping them.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did you even read the link? Reports are being made of ACORN going crazy and getting tons of Corzine votes for people who aren't even voting.

The state is deep in the democrat's pockets. There is no stopping them.

Christie's up 100k votes.

[badmonkey]

Christie's up 100k votes.

Probably due to some more "rogue" ACORN employees. :tongue:

[HBox]

Christie's up 100k votes.

Are you telling me Jezo's being overly paranoid?

Despite the recent polls and Christie being horrible I still had a hard time believing Corzine could win. People in this state hate him. I am surprised Daggett is doing so poorly. I thought he'd crack 10% but he'd need a lot more votes to do that. I guess Christie's late attacks on Daggett helped.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Christie's up 64k with 57 percent reporting. This is a doozy

[weekapaugjz]

Christie's up 64k with 57 percent reporting. This is a doozy

any idea of the # of votes in governor races in the past? whatever it is, 64k is a very small margin.

[badmonkey]

any idea of the # of votes in governor races in the past? whatever it is, 64k is a very small margin.

http://www.politico.com/election/2009/maps/#/NJ

That shows the last 2 elections.

[weekapaugjz]

http://www.politico.com/election/2009/maps/#/NJ

That shows the last 2 elections.

thank you.

[LordJezo]

http://elections.nytimes.com/2009/results/new-jersey.html

NYT, I know, so it can't be trusted, but it seems to be showing correct results.

Also:

http://elections.nj.com/dynamic/files/elections/2009/by_state/NJ_Page_1103.html?SITE=NJNEWELN&SECTION=POLITICS

and

http://www.politico.com/election/2009/maps/#/NJ

[HBox]

As always it all depends on where the outstanding votes are from. If there are a lot of urban areas late Corzine could pull it out but I doubt it.

I'm disappointed that Daggett did so poorly. Everyone hates Christie and Corzine yet everyone is out voting for them. Him not being able to afford to run ads in the NY market is probably the main reason.

[HBox]

AP is calling it for Christie.

[Sarge]

The AP just called New Jersey for Christie.

Guess you were quicker HBox.

[Dude!]

the fun one is that
Bloomberg is in a squeaker!

[ope]

Any word on NY 23?

[HBox]

the fun one is that
Bloomberg is in a squeaker!

They called it an hour ago and then all of a sudden he's only up by 1%. I'm sure he still will win but it would be hilarious if he lost. Thompson probably wouldn't know what the fuck to do.

[Tenbatsuzen]

AP is calling it for Christie.

It must be true!

[HBox]

Any word on NY 23?

Only 21% in at the moment. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/03/election-results-new-york-23rd-district/)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Any word on NY 23?

Currently the Dodgers' hitting coach.

[Dude!]

Fox calls it for Christie!

[HBox]

Fox calls it for Christie!

Yeah, they called it for him a month ago.

[Dude!]

Yeah, they called it for him a month ago.

so they're right again

[HBox]

so they're right again

In more ways the than one. OH with the pun!

[LordJezo]

I am calling everyone I know about the NJ election results.

Everyone is pumped.

[ope]

I am calling everyone I know about the NJ election results.

Everyone is pumped.

Imagine the excitement in the gym tomorrow morning!

[weekapaugjz]

I am calling everyone I know about the NJ election results.

Everyone is pumped.

is the gym locker room on speed dial?

[Lady Resin]

Chris Christie wins N.J. governor race, defeats Jon Corzine

Former U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie has defeated Gov. Jon Corzine in his bid for re-election.

Christie, 47, who rose to political prominence as a corruption-buster, becomes the first Republican in 12 years to win a statewide contest in heavily Democratic New Jersey. With 90 percent of precincts reporting, Christie had 49 percent of the vote, compared with 45 percent for Corzine.

With the loss, the 62-year-old Corzine becomes just the third New Jersey governor in 60 years to go down after a single term.

[Dude!]

nice enough concession
from Corzine

[foodcourtdruide]

They called it an hour ago and then all of a sudden he's only up by 1%. I'm sure he still will win but it would be hilarious if he lost. Thompson probably wouldn't know what the fuck to do.

I would totally enjoy the complete clusterfuck that would be for a few minutes until I remembered I lived and worked in NYC.

[Zorro]

Christie giving victory speech. Now I know why I'd never seen Mrs. Christie before.

[Dude!]

Christie giving victory speech.

he's the biggest thing on television

[Zipgun]

So long, Governor Douchebag.

Hello, Governor Soprano.

[keithy_19]

I'm kind of surprised that Christie won. I was sure that the late visits from President Obama would help turn the tide in Corzines favor. I guess I was wrong.

[Syd]

I'm kind of surprised that Christie won. I was sure that the late visits from President Obama would help turn the tide in Corzines favor. I guess I was wrong.

He made some progress for Corzine but is kind of a piece of shit/horrible campaigner. It was close though, so that was enough of an effort to get Democrats on Obama's side.

[HBox]

I'm kind of surprised that Christie won. I was sure that the late visits from President Obama would help turn the tide in Corzines favor. I guess I was wrong.

Corzine was so hated I never felt like he could win unless Daggett did great. He ended up shitting the bed.

Did anyone else but me vote for Daggett?

[Syd]

Also looks like NY-23 goes to Owens :wallbash:

[keithy_19]

Corzine was so hated I never felt like he could win unless Daggett did great. He ended up shitting the bed.

Did anyone else but me vote for Daggett?

I thought about it, but decided a vote for Daggett was a vote for Corzine.

I find it interesting how Corzine had calls made to voters urging them to vote for Daggett.

[HBox]

Fox News just called the NY 23rd district for Bill Owens. So the Sarah Palin Death Panel teabag brigade's first major accomplishment is handing the Democrats a Congressional seat they haven't held since the Civil War. I might also add that of all the elections tonight this is the only one that can even slightly be connected to the health care debate and Obama (although that's a huge stretch) and the Democrats won it. But I'm sure the "liberal" media will talk about how there is an Obama backlash because Democrats lost two state races.

[NickyL0885]

Maybe I missed something but how does the NJ Gov race affect Obama? Last I checked, they have no vote over bills, right? So what did he care if Corzine won or not?

[GregoryJoseph]

Maybe I missed something but how does the NJ Gov race affect Obama? Last I checked, they have no vote over bills, right? So what did he care if Corzine won or not?

Obama campaigned heavily for Corzine.

I assume he feels this is New Jersey's way of saying they're not pleased with him.

[Fallon]

5th term for mumble mouth Menino.

20 fucking years of this guy after this new term.

:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[HBox]

Obama campaigned heavily for Corzine.

I assume he feels this is New Jersey's way of saying they're not pleased with him.

That's not the case at all. Obama had a 57% approval rating among New Jerseyans who voted today. (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8984551)

The governor races turned on local issues, as they always do. The only thing it proved is that Obama isn't so overwhelmingly popular that he can get a state to vote for a guy so incredibly hated.

[ope]

Hoffman Throws In Towel (http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091103/NEWS09/911039947)

[ope]

Obama campaigned heavily for Corzine.

I assume he feels this is New Jersey's way of saying they're not pleased with him.

You need to stop reading bumper stickers.

[keithy_19]

That's not the case at all. Obama had a 57% approval rating among New Jerseyans who voted today. (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8984551)

The governor races turned on local issues, as they always do. The only thing it proved is that Obama isn't so overwhelmingly popular that he can get a state to vote for a guy so incredibly hated.

Take that you wannabe Messiah!

[keithy_19]

That's not the case at all. Obama had a 57% approval rating among New Jerseyans who voted today. (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8984551)

The governor races turned on local issues, as they always do. The only thing it proved is that Obama isn't so overwhelmingly popular that he can get a state to vote for a guy so incredibly hated.

I didn't vote for Corzine because Corzine has done nothing to help New Jersey. Do I feel that Obama and Corzine share some characteristics? Yes. Did it impact my vote? No.

[HBox]

On the gay marriage front Maine overturned a gay marriage bill and Washington approved a bill that would make domestic partnerships legal equivalent to marriage. So they are at a 50% success rate this year, which is better than they usually do.

[Dude!]

On the gay marriage front Maine overturned a gay marriage bill and Washington approved a bill that would make domestic partnerships legal equivalent to marriage. So they are at a 50% success rate this year, which is better than they usually do.

if they would just go for making
"domestic partnerships legal
equivalent to marriage"
that would be 100%

[keithy_19]

if they would just go for making
"domestic partnerships legal
equivalent to marriage"
that would be 100%

Or if they just called marriage domestic partnerships...

The whole thing is stupid. Let gay people get married, legalize drugs, stop fighting wars that serve no purpose and are out of greed, end the fed and get this country on the right path again. And also, free healthcare for everyone but Epo and Hbox. Serpico can get anger management treatment, but nothing else.

[GregoryJoseph]

BIG day for Republicans.

I'm glad.

I like a balance.

There will be many Republicans winning House and Senate seats soon, too, next time around. The American people are not happy with the current state of their country.

[A.J.]

Did Dodd win?

A rousing GOP sweep here in the Commonwealth.

[foodcourtdruide]

Maybe I missed something but how does the NJ Gov race affect Obama? Last I checked, they have no vote over bills, right? So what did he care if Corzine won or not?

Because the media needs a story. The storyline of Obama losing to the republicans is much more conflict-driven and appealing than Corzine just sucking as governor and running an ineffective campaign. It's a dog and pony show. In 3-8 years republicans will likely have control as the democrats do, and you know how the media will handle it? The same exact way, only this time the winner will have a d in front of his name instead of an r. MSNBC will go back to their hyperbolic blame on the republican administration and FoxNews will return to their hyperbolic reasoning that everything wrong with our country comes from liberal opposition.

[LordJezo]

What a night!

We got VA.

We got NJ.

We got Maine.

The air of victory this morning is amazing, people had been celebrating late into the night and it will continue today. Finally there is a strong push back to the left wing Obama communist liberal agenda. America is finally waking up and fighting back. Lets hope this keeps up and the criminals are driven from our shores.

Lost NY23 but it was good overall.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fox News just called the NY 23rd district for Bill Owens. So the Sarah Palin Death Panel teabag brigade's first major accomplishment is handing the Democrats a Congressional seat they haven't held since the Civil War. I might also add that of all the elections tonight this is the only one that can even slightly be connected to the health care debate and Obama (although that's a huge stretch) and the Democrats won it. But I'm sure the "liberal" media will talk about how there is an Obama backlash because Democrats lost two state races.

Well the rockstar demagogue political lightweight Obama went to NJ 5 times to campaign and still the voters told him and Corzine to shove it. Im sure the spokesidiot Gibbs will spin it today and say that Barry didnt pay attention to NJ and he was watching the Basketball game last night.

[ope]

What a night!

We got VA.

We got NJ.

We got Maine.

The air of victory this morning is amazing, people had been celebrating late into the night and it will continue today. Finally there is a strong push back to the left wing Obama communist liberal agenda. America is finally waking up and fighting back. Lets hope this keeps up and the criminals are driven from our shores.

Lost NY23 but it was good overall.

You also lost in Washington. Wait until the gays are emboldened enough to invade your gym!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where I used to live in Westchester County, NY. King Andy Spano lost. Finally they woke up and got fed up with his outrageous tax increases and his $1100 a day security detail

[foodcourtdruide]

Well the rockstar demagogue political lightweight Obama went to NJ 5 times to campaign and still the voters told him and Corzine to shove it. Im sure the spokesidiot Gibbs will spin it today and say that Barry didnt pay attention to NJ and he was watching the Basketball game last night.

Calling the President of the US a political lightweight is one of the more bizarre things I've seen on this board.

[A.J.]

Did Dodd win?

Nevermind -- it's next year. I thought he was up this year.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Calling the President of the US a political lightweight is one of the more bizarre things I've seen on this board.

When his strings are being pulled by Pelosi, Axelrod, Rahm Goldman Sachs and Reid what do you expect?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nevermind -- it's next year. I thought he was up this year.

Next year cant come soon enough, The man is sleaze

[A.J.]

Next year cant come soon enough, The man is sleaze

He's going to get re-elected. All will be forgiven (more likely forgotten) by then.

[Syd]

Because the media needs a story. The storyline of Obama losing to the republicans is much more conflict-driven and appealing than Corzine just sucking as governor and running an ineffective campaign.

Yeah, in the end the media gets to slam Palin or Obama depending on who their viewership dislikes. However, Palin did appear to have enough publicity to push votes towards her dog in the race and Obama kept his dog very close in the race. Their value towards elections remains unchanged, if not improved.

[foodcourtdruide]

When his strings are being pulled by Pelosi, Axelrod, Rahm Goldman Sachs and Reid what do you expect?

You forgot Hillary and Bill Clinton, Biden, Muslims, the gay teletubby with a purse, the gays and everyother thing right-wing talk radio has paranoid delusions about.

Oh, and the war on Christmas.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yeah, in the end the media gets to slam Palin or Obama depending on who their viewership dislikes. However, Palin did appear to have enough publicity to push votes towards her dog in the race and Obama kept his dog very close in the race. Their value towards elections remains unchanged, if not improved.

I agree with this 100%. Palin's influence and Bloomberg not winning by 40 points are the two things that surprised me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You forgot Hillary and Bill Clinton, Biden, Muslims, the gay teletubby with a purse, the gays and everyother thing right-wing talk radio has paranoid delusions about.

Oh, and the war on Christmas.

Did I strike a nerve that your almighty President is not the man who was supposed to walk on water or part the potomac river?

Say what you want about Jersey and Corzine losing but all his influence and a dollar still didnt put Corzine over the top

[foodcourtdruide]

Did I strike a nerve that your almighty President is not the man who was supposed to walk on water or part the potomac river?

Say what you want about Jersey and Corzine losing but all his influence and a dollar still didnt put Corzine over the top

You're the one that's acting like he's almighty. You're acting like its such a shock that his influence didn't get Corzine re-elected and I'm not surprised at all. I just think its bizarre to call someone who won the Presidency a political light-weight.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're the one that's acting like he's almighty. You're acting like its such a shock that his influence didn't get Corzine re-elected and I'm not surprised at all. I just think its bizarre to call someone who won the Presidency a political light-weight.

Hes not almighty at all just another lawyer from Chicago. I dont get tingly feelings up my leg when he talks, I just see my taxes eventually going up more. And where was your "shock" and disbelief during the prior 8 years when Bush was called much worse?

Im sure those things werent "BIZARRE" to you

[foodcourtdruide]

Hes not almighty at all just another lawyer from Chicago. I dont get tingly feelings up my leg when he talks, I just see my taxes eventually going up more. And where was your "shock" and disbelief during the prior 8 years when Bush was called much worse?

Im sure those things werent "BIZARRE" to you

We didn't know eachother 8 years ago! There were a lot of idiotic things said by liberals towards Bush, but why use that as a reason to look at things idiotically in the other direction?

Someone said to me yesterday that they like to get political information by hearing two extreme viewpoints and then making a judgement. How on Earth are they getting ANY accurate information in like that?

You're a smart guy, but how are your opinions valid if they're a reaction to how liberals treated Bush?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We didn't know eachother 8 years ago! There were a lot of idiotic things said by liberals towards Bush, but why use that as a reason to look at things idiotically in the other direction?

Someone said to me yesterday that they like to get political information by hearing two extreme viewpoints and then making a judgement. How on Earth are they getting ANY accurate information in like that?

You're a smart guy, but how are your opinions valid if they're a reaction to how liberals treated Bush?

I have a very strong disapproval of Obama and his policies but I would never wish harm on him like the people who outrighted hate Bush with a passion

That being said, with the whole Messiah thing about Obama it was people like Chris Matthews, many in Hollywood ,people thinking that he would pay their mortgage, put gas in their cars etc. I found that to be disturbing and laughable at the same moment. Ive never seen any politician deified like that in my life

[foodcourtdruide]

I have a very strong disapproval of Obama and his policies but I would never wish harm on him like the people who outrighted hate Bush with a passion

That being said, with the whole Messiah thing about Obama it was people like Chris Matthews, many in Hollywood ,people thinking that he would pay their mortgage, put gas in their cars etc. I found that to be disturbing and laughable at the same moment. Ive never seen any politician deified like that in my life

Regarding the Messiah thing: I'm pretty sure none of us here are from Hollywood, Chris Matthews or thought Obama would pay our mortgage. So why do WE get told we think Obama is our Messiah?

Also, Clinton and Obama have not had walks in the park. It doesn't matter if you're -d or -r, the media, and America loves to build things up just to destroy them.

[topless_mike]

woke up this morning to a beautiful sunny day, and very warming news:

christie wins

not that it indirectly affects the President in any way, but any little "fuck you" that we can give to President Obama is surely welcomed by me.

was was the result in maine? i know that was up for grabs as well. really, its 2009. let gays have the same rights as straights. we are all human in the end.

[EliSnow]

Hes not almighty at all just another lawyer from Chicago. I dont get tingly feelings up my leg when he talks, I just see my taxes eventually going up more. And where was your "shock" and disbelief during the prior 8 years when Bush was called much worse?

Im sure those things werent "BIZARRE" to you

Do you understand the foodcourt wasn't arguing that Obama's always right and is the Messiah etc., and was just challenging the ridiculous statement that Obama is a political lightweight or "another lawyer from Chicago?"

There is a difference between acknowledging that someone is a skillful politician and worshipping the ground that person walks on. Shit, people regularly acknowledge the strengths of other persons whose views they oppose.

[Dude!]

I agree with this 100%. Palin's influence and Bloomberg not winning by 40 points are the two things that surprised me.

me too
that is the best indicator
of the throw-the-bum-out
mood

that plus resentment
on changing term limits
to suit himself

and dumping $100 million whatever
of his own money into the race

that's just not fair

[EliSnow]

me too
that is the best indicator
of the throw-the-bum-out
mood

Wouldn't losing the race be the best indicator of that mood?

[Dude!]

Wouldn't losing the race be the best indicator of that mood?

it would be the best indicator
but the actual result
was a good indicator

[Freitag]

Funny story.

(disclosure - I'm for everyone getting married)

Person I know, who I've used as the example of everythign that's wrong with current economy (she's a grad student, consistently whining how she's poor and doesn't have a job, then turns around and crows that she bought world series tix) was very upset that Corzine lost.

I asked her why, and she brought up equal marriage rights, because there's "no hope" if Christie was elected.

"It's just signing a piece of paper!" she exclaims.

I bring up domestic partnerships... "IT'S NOT THE SAME!" she bellows.

"Corzine promised a lot of things in 2005 that didn't happen."

She still wouldn't listen to reason.

I finally said, "If it was just as simple as signing a piece of paper - why didn't Corzine do it in his first four years?"

She didn't have a response for that.

[foodcourtdruide]

me too
that is the best indicator
of the throw-the-bum-out
mood

that plus resentment
on changing term limits
to suit himself

and dumping $100 million whatever
of his own money into the race

that's just not fair

If I had to guess I think it mostly had to do with the term limit change, and possible resentment towards the super-wealthy while the economy is struggling.

[topless_mike]

and dumping $100 million whatever
of his own money into the race

that's just not fair

its his money. he can do with it what he chooses.

[topless_mike]

I finally said, "If it was just as simple as signing a piece of paper - why didn't Corzine do it in his first four years?"

She didn't have a response for that.

checkmate

[foodcourtdruide]

its his money. he can do with it what he chooses.

And we can choose to believe it hurts the democratic process to have such a disparity in spending by political candidates.

[Dude!]

its his money. he can do with it what he chooses.

yes, legally he can
but it does not make
for a fair election

same in NJ
where Corzine spent 3X
what Christie did
again, his own money

[foodcourtdruide]

yes, legally he can
but it does not make
for a fair election

same in NJ
where Corzine spent 3X
what Christie did
again, his own money

Don't you find it amazing Corzine won to begin with? It seems like he's ALWAYS been disliked.

[foodcourtdruide]

Incidentally, am I the only one that thinks these two guys look alike?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2860193354_d467cbf03a.jpg

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/9dce02639c_vikings09082009.jpg

[ope]

Incidentally, am I the only one that thinks these two guys look alike?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2860193354_d467cbf03a.jpg

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/9dce02639c_vikings09082009.jpg

Idiots, both of them.

[topless_mike]

And we can choose to believe it hurts the democratic process to have such a disparity in spending by political candidates.

yes, legally he can
but it does not make
for a fair election

same in NJ
where Corzine spent 3X
what Christie did
again, his own money

and the winner was?

[foodcourtdruide]

Idiots, both of them.

Can't argue with 7-1!

[topless_mike]

Incidentally, am I the only one that thinks these two guys look alike?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2860193354_d467cbf03a.jpg

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/9dce02639c_vikings09082009.jpg


grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Idiots, both of them.

dubba grrrrrrrrrrrr

[A.J.]

Incidentally, am I the only one that thinks these two guys look alike?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2860193354_d467cbf03a.jpg

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/9dce02639c_vikings09082009.jpg

On PTI's Halloween show, Tony Kornheiser's costume was Brad Childress. It wasn't that complicated to pull off.

[HBox]

Well the rockstar demagogue political lightweight Obama went to NJ 5 times to campaign and still the voters told him and Corzine to shove it. Im sure the spokesidiot Gibbs will spin it today and say that Barry didnt pay attention to NJ and he was watching the Basketball game last night.

When his strings are being pulled by Pelosi, Axelrod, Rahm Goldman Sachs and Reid what do you expect?

Next year cant come soon enough, The man is sleaze

Did I strike a nerve that your almighty President is not the man who was supposed to walk on water or part the potomac river?

Say what you want about Jersey and Corzine losing but all his influence and a dollar still didnt put Corzine over the top

Hes not almighty at all just another lawyer from Chicago. I dont get tingly feelings up my leg when he talks, I just see my taxes eventually going up more. And where was your "shock" and disbelief during the prior 8 years when Bush was called much worse?

Im sure those things werent "BIZARRE" to you

I have a very strong disapproval of Obama and his policies but I would never wish harm on him like the people who outrighted hate Bush with a passion

That being said, with the whole Messiah thing about Obama it was people like Chris Matthews, many in Hollywood ,people thinking that he would pay their mortgage, put gas in their cars etc. I found that to be disturbing and laughable at the same moment. Ive never seen any politician deified like that in my life

The lengths you keep on trying to go to take shots at the President is getting really pathetic. By this logic any time any Democrat isn't elected for anything is an embarrassment to Obama. Of course Obama is going to support Democrats running for office. That doesn't mean that every election for anything is a referendum on Obama. The exit polls were clear that voters in VA and NJ voted on local issues and that voters in both states are generally satisfied with Obama.

And as for this messiah bullshit: just fucking stop. NO ONE THINKS THAT WAY.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The lengths you keep on trying to go to take shots at the President is getting really pathetic. By this logic any time any Democrat isn't elected for anything is an embarrassment to Obama. Of course Obama is going to support Democrats running for office. That doesn't mean that every election for anything is a referendum on Obama. The exit polls were clear that voters in VA and NJ voted on local issues and that voters in both states are generally satisfied with Obama.

And as for this messiah bullshit: just fucking stop. NO ONE THINKS THAT WAY.

Why are you taking it personally that I disagree with the President? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion? Look at it this way, It was Christmas, New Years Eve and the god damend Superbowl exactly a year to the date and look at him now, someone with job approvals sinking, his stimulus causing long term damage, his indecisions on Afghanistan, the failure to get a healthcare bill passed with a majority in Congress

The man got over his head. Candidate Obama stellar and never off message, President Obama is a different story so please spare the dramatics that I was skeptical of the hope and change

While no one on this board thinks Barry isnt a god there were many ignorant lemmings who actually did

As far as mentioning who sleaze was I was referring to Dodd

[TheMojoPin]

While no one on this board thinks Barry isnt a god there were many ignorant lemmings who actually did

You're very, very odd. There were not "many people" who thought or think Obama is a "god." Calm down.

[TheMojoPin]

someone with job approvals sinking

Yes, coming down from the initial post-inauguration high to typical high approval ratings for a President.

his stimulus causing long term damage

You're from the future?

his indecisions on Afghanistan

Can't really disagree here. Any policy besides getting out of there is going to fail.

the failure to get a healthcare bill passed with a majority in Congress

The President can set the agenda. The President cannot dictate legislative policy and force them to do what he wants.

The man got over his head. Candidate Obama stellar and never off message, President Obama is a different story so please spare the dramatics that I was skeptical of the hope and change

Welp, guess you're right...10 months into his first term seals the deal about the rest of his time in office.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, coming down from the initial post-inauguration high to typical high approval ratings for a President.



You're from the future?



Can't really disagree here. Any policy besides getting out of there is going to fail.



The President can set the agenda. The President cannot dictate legislative policy and force them to do what he wants.



Welp, guess you're right...10 months into his first term seals the deal about the rest of his time in office.

While his personal approval is somewhat high his job approval isnt that Stellar

As far as Afghanistan I agree he should have a plan for withdrawal they do not want us there and do not want a democracy, You cant force people stuck in their ways to have Walmarts and strip malls

On the economy heres whats happening and however rosy of a picture Larry Kudlow is showing this debt/spending is unsustainable but what does this guy know? As long as the spin doctors like Reich ,Bernanke and Geithner say everything will be Ok we should take their word?

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wieg_cor/roger_oct302009.html


Obama was elected with a ton of political capital last november I know Congress makes laws but that should have been relevant enough to set the tables ram this healthcare bill thru. But then again the Stimulus was passed and rushed but now Congressional Democrats are wary of this and want to be re elected next year



Obama wanted nothing more than for Corzine to get another 4 years, but I dont have that much faith in Christie because after all its corrupt NJ

[EliSnow]

While no one on this board thinks Barry isnt a god there were many ignorant lemmings who actually did


Your use of the double negative means that you believe that everyone on this board thinks that Barry is a god, and that ignorent lemmings disagree.

But since that's a mistake, if you believe that noone on this board thinks Obama is a god, then why did you accuse foodcourt of doing so?

If you're going to debate the people, debate the people here and not other people you wish you were debating.

[Earlshog]

not that it indirectly affects the President in any way, but any little "fuck you" that we can give to President Obama is surely welcomed by me.

One has nothing to do with the other. Obama is still very popular in NJ actually more popular then when was elected. People woke up to who Corzine is and decided they had enough. I voted for him four years ago and yesterday voted for Cristie

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your use of the double negative means that you believe that everyone on this board thinks that Barry is a god, and that ignorent lemmings disagree.

But since that's a mistake, if you believe that noone on this board thinks Obama is a god, then why did you accuse foodcourt of doing so?

If you're going to debate the people, debate the people here and not other people you wish you were debating.

Fair enough then , I will keep my debating inside this forum

[foodcourtdruide]

Fair enough then , I will keep my debating inside this forum

Is this the first time in internet history people on a political forum came to a resolution?

[EliSnow]

Is this the first time in internet history people on a political forum came to a resolution?

I think one time everyone came to a consensus with Jezo that free weights were better than weight machines.

[HBox]

Why are you taking it personally that I disagree with the President? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion? Look at it this way, It was Christmas, New Years Eve and the god damend Superbowl exactly a year to the date and look at him now, someone with job approvals sinking, his stimulus causing long term damage, his indecisions on Afghanistan, the failure to get a healthcare bill passed with a majority in Congress

The man got over his head. Candidate Obama stellar and never off message, President Obama is a different story so please spare the dramatics that I was skeptical of the hope and change

While no one on this board thinks Barry isnt a god there were many ignorant lemmings who actually did

As far as mentioning who sleaze was I was referring to Dodd

In NJ Obama's approval rating with people who voted yesterday was 57%. That was higher than the share of the vote Christie got. And it's probably higher in the state overall since off-year voters tend to be more conservative. Obama's approval ratings are right around where his share of the vote was last year and has been hovering around that area since late summer. He's doing fine.

And I wasn't taking anything personally. You were the one who went off on Obama when I was talking about the Hoffman/Owens election.

[TheMojoPin]

On the economy heres whats happening and however rosy of a picture Larry Kudlow is showing this debt/spending is unsustainable but what does this guy know? As long as the spin doctors like Reich ,Bernanke and Geithner say everything will be Ok we should take their word?

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wieg_cor/roger_oct302009.html

No, just like Kudlow's predictions shouldn't be taken as gospel. There's a myriad of projections as to how this will play out so to say definitively that the administration's economic policies are without doubt "causing long term damage" is foolish.

Obama was elected with a ton of political capital last november I know Congress makes laws but that should have been relevant enough to set the tables ram this healthcare bill thru. But then again the Stimulus was passed and rushed but now Congressional Democrats are wary of this and want to be re elected next year

The stimulus was "rushed" because it was something that had to be enacted ASAP. The health care reform doesn't need to be "rammed" through, nor should it be.

[Syd]

No, just like Kudlow's predictions shouldn't be taken as gospel. There's a myriad of projections as to how this will play out so to say definitively that the administration's economic policies are without doubt "causing long term damage" is foolish..

America's debt to GDP ratio is still quite favorable: we hover around .6 to .8:1. Japan I think eclipsed 2:1 if I remember correctly. Germany, France and other first world producers are .6-.8:1 as well. Most of the complaints you hear about debt are from people who don't understand the necessity for debt in fiat money world. Considerable debt has to be created so that money can be made off of it which in turn is used to create more goods to be purchased. Considering Japan's astounding GPD:debt ratio, I'm quite confident America will be just fine.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, just like Kudlow's predictions shouldn't be taken as gospel. There's a myriad of projections as to how this will play out so to say definitively that the administration's economic policies are without doubt "causing long term damage" is foolish.



The stimulus was "rushed" because it was something that had to be enacted ASAP. The health care reform doesn't need to be "rammed" through, nor should it be.

I dont feel optimistic about the long term, If I am wrong in a couple of years then I will admit that, we will have to wait and see. Of course Bernenke and Geithner will be optimistic

The stimulus was a waste of almost 800 billion dollars, when it costs about 175K to create a job that pays 50k it just doesnt make sense. Cash for clunkers was another waste as this 3.5% GDP is a shell game

Look at the runup of commodities, the dollar is getting weaker and the govt thinks printing money is going to solve everything

As far as the rich paying for everything, It seems like these days anyone earning a salary and paying taxes is rich according to them if anyone thinks their taxes wont be going up to pay for this garbage is living in a fantasy land

[keithy_19]

and dumping $100 million whatever
of his own money into the race

that's just not fair

Really? It's his money. Let him do what he wants with it.

[Syd]

The stimulus was a waste of almost 800 billion dollars, when it costs about 175K to create a job that pays 50k it just doesnt make sense. Cash for clunkers was another waste as this 3.5% GDP is a shell game

American economy requires people to be able to purchase goods; the stimulus allowed people to keep their jobs and continuing to spend.

Look at the runup of commodities, the dollar is getting weaker and the govt thinks printing money is going to solve everything

The runup on commodities is a sign of a recovering economy. They were depressed for quite some time. Furthermore, the value of the dollar is less a reflection on inflation and more a reflection of the relative strength of the US economy or more accurately the future strength of the US economy.

As far as the rich paying for everything, It seems like these days anyone earning a salary and paying taxes is rich according to them if anyone thinks their taxes wont be going up to pay for this garbage is living in a fantasy land

Rich is usually conservatively defined as the top 5% -- about or before that time, you begin paying more into the system than you receive. Top 5% for the US is $150k or more in the household. The more accurate definition of rich is the top 1% which owns 40% of all the wealth in America. If everyone in the bottom 90% of income earners (0k-100k) pooled their money together, they still wouldn't have as much wealth as that top 1%.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

American economy requires people to be able to purchase goods; the stimulus allowed people to keep their jobs and continuing to spend.



The runup on commodities is a sign of a recovering economy. They were depressed for quite some time. Furthermore, the value of the dollar is less a reflection on inflation and more a reflection of the relative strength of the US economy or more accurately the future strength of the US economy.



Rich is usually conservatively defined as the top 5% -- about or before that time, you begin paying more into the system than you receive. Top 5% for the US is $150k or more in the household. The more accurate definition of rich is the top 1% which owns 40% of all the wealth in America. If everyone in the bottom 90% of income earners (0k-100k) pooled their money together, they still wouldn't have as much wealth as that top 1%.



We are monetizing trillions of dollars of debt. We can only go so far before China and India will say no more. India purchased Gold from the IMF as they are nervous about the weakening dollar

As far as spending Bush told everyone to go shopping and spend money back in 2001. We can not continue to rely on an economy thats about 70% spending. Sure China can sell us their cheap garbage but how long can it last

As far as taxes, if it really went to a true war effort and to the military and it took some sacrificing from us im all for that, but to take from taxpayers and redistribute it to every government pet project is a fallacy

[high fly]

If India and China say no more, then won't that send the dollar plunging, so we can pay them back at a much lower rate and thus ripping those bastards off, and with a lot of the debt retired, wouldn't the dollar soar again, further pissing them off as we rode into the sunset enjoying greater prosperity?

It seems to me they are fucked either way...

[Syd]

If India and China say no more, then won't that send the dollar plunging, so we can pay them back at a much lower rate and thus ripping those bastards off, and with a lot of the debt retired, wouldn't the dollar soar again, further pissing them off as we rode into the sunset enjoying greater prosperity?

It seems to me they are fucked either way...

So, China is going to tell its #1 customer no more? India is a small potato as far as US debt goes, pretty sure they hold less than some of our friends across the Atlantic. Besides, Japan is still the #1 debt holder afaik.