A question for board members with kids about the H1N1 Vaccine

[Judge Smails]

My kid's schools are giving out the vaccine. I've heard arguments pro and con. A lot of the other parents we know are falling on either side of the fence. The kid's doctors are for it. My wife's wishy-washy. I've never had any kind of flu shot in my life and I've been just fine. I think this Swine Flu hysteria is all hype but I don't know if I'm rolling the dice. I know for a fact that their schools are a petri dish for every kind of illness out there.

I'd like to know what you guys are doing because I like to make all life and death decisions on my children's well-being based on the the thoughts of strangers I've never met who post gay jokes on a satellite radio show fan message board.

[disneyspy]

schools arent doing it up here,they're all closed til monday

[boosterp]

People like to point out that the vaccine was rushed through the FDA as a reason not to get it.

Well, they are not well informed.

The H1N1 vaccine uses the same technology and practices that the regular flu vaccine uses to produce the same attenuated virus. This is why the FDA rapidly approved the vaccine.

You can not get the flu from the vaccine, what is being injected is the shell (attenuated) of the virus so your immune system recognizes and can fight it later. It is an immune reaction and if you have a weakened immune system due to stress, a and cold, etc. you may feel sick. Tylenol every 4-6 hours for the first 48 hours and drink plenty of fluids and the reaction is very minimal.

[RhinoinMN]

The vaccine isn't available here yet.

That being said, I suppose I would do it.

There have been many kids that have had H1N1. All of them were sick for 4-6 days and were fine afterward.

Could go either way I guess.

[IMSlacker]

We're taking our kids to get the H1N1 vaccine as soon as our pediatrician has it available. We all get the regular flu shot every year and have never had any issues.

[RhinoinMN]

If my son finds out there is a shot available he will beg me to get it.

I usually let him pick out a toy at Toy R Us if he takes the shot like a man.

(I let him get one if he doesn't too)

[Ritalin]

I got one my wife got one, my 10 year old is going to get one and my 11 month old is getting one.

[Tall_James]

The knowledge of Doctors trained in the stuff > Jenny McCarthy's knowledge

My kids will get it.

[TheGameHHH]

do yourself a favor and look up whats acutally in the vaccine and then decide if you want to put that stuff in your child's body.

[mikeyboy]

The knowledge of Doctors trained in the stuff > Jenny McCarthy's knowledge

My kids will get it.

But she was in Baseketball.

[instrument]

Seeing this flu seems to be more fatal towards children I'd feel compelled to do it.

Though the only kid I know who has gotten it happened to get pneumonia afterwards...

[RhinoinMN]

But she was in Baseketball.


she was terrible at the art of innuendo.

[nate1000]

People like to point out that the vaccine was rushed through the FDA as a reason not to get it.

Well, they are not well informed.

The H1N1 vaccine uses the same technology and practices that the regular flu vaccine uses to produce the same attenuated virus. This is why the FDA rapidly approved the vaccine.

You can not get the flu from the vaccine, what is being injected is the shell (attenuated) of the virus so your immune system recognizes and can fight it later. It is an immune reaction and if you have a weakened immune system due to stress, a and cold, etc. you may feel sick. Tylenol every 4-6 hours for the first 48 hours and drink plenty of fluids and the reaction is very minimal.

This.

If you are comfortable vaccinating your kids against seasonal flu, mmr, etc... there is no reason to suspect this vaccine is any more risky than that. The manufacturing process is exactly the same with the only variant being a different virus.

If you are against vaccines as a rule, then that is a different discussion.

[Freitag]

My only issues with the vaccine are the additives in the vaccine, not the vaccine itself.

My child and wife would get one, as long as there's no thimerosal or squalene in it.

If there's an alternative without additives that is just as potent, why roll the dice?

[Ritalin]

My only issues with the vaccine are the additives in the vaccine, not the vaccine itself.

My child and wife would get one, as long as there's no thimerosal or squalene in it.

If there's an alternative without additives that is just as potent, why roll the dice?

Squalene? Never heard of it. So I googled it.

this:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=851

[sailor]

our 21 month appointment was today. our pediatrician said they were offering the flu vaccine for kids 3+. so, no.

[epo]

Kids and pregnant women are the #1 risk groups for the virus. Listen to your doctor, not stupid people on the interwebz or your idiot neighbors.

[Ritalin]

our 21 month appointment was today. our pediatrician said they were offering the flu vaccine for kids 3+. so, no.

Really? I wonder why that is? He/she said they weren't recommending it for kids under 3, or is it that they didn't have the vaccine for kids under 3, because it's a different shot. My wife and i got ours at the pediatrician, but Miles (11 months) has to go back because she didn't have the shot for him in the office yet.

I caught a story on H1N1 on Sixty Minutes last weekend that summed up the danger of the virus nicely. As I understand it, the vast majority of people who get exposed to the virus will either feel mildly sick or feel the normal flu like symptoms for a couple of days and be over it. The danger - again, as I understood it - is that the virus leaves you more susceptible to bacterial pneumonia, which the elderly and the young have a harder time fighting off.

[underdog]

Kids and pregnant women are the #1 risk groups for the virus. Listen to your doctor, not stupid people on the interwebz or your idiot neighbors.

I listen to Glenn Beck.

[Sarge]

I don't know what we are going to do yet. My wife is against the kids getting the swine flu shot, but we are getting the flu shot for them. I've spoke some of the doctors in my kids office, some recommend it and some don't.

[walking joint]

its a really tough choice. my wife wants them to get it, so they will be. There is quite a list at our doctors office for it. we are set up for Nov 18th, and thats for my 3 year old. they don't have the shot for my soon to be 1 year old yet. hopefully when my 3 year old goes in for his yearly checkup on Monday they will give it to him then.

[sailor]

Really? I wonder why that is? He/she said they weren't recommending it for kids under 3, or is it that they didn't have the vaccine for kids under 3, because it's a different shot. My wife and i got ours at the pediatrician, but Miles (11 months) has to go back because she didn't have the shot for him in the office yet.

they didn't have it and it didn't sound like they were trying to get it. i'm cool with that. i got the flu shot the past two years because my job got us them for free, but i never had one in my life before that.

our kid is also not in day care, and that's why the cdc recommends it, according to the dr steve link.

and like dr steve says, the mist (granted not for kids) is a live virus that can be shed, so if you have that, please think of others and be even more vigilant with washing your hands for (i think) a few days.

[SouthSideJohnny]

I'd like to know what you guys are doing because I like to make all life and death decisions on my children's well-being based on the the thoughts of strangers I've never met who post gay jokes on a satellite radio show fan message board.

Why not take the advice of a doctor who makes gay jokes on a satellite radio show fan message board?

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84520

[~Katja~]

I haven't gotten it and I should because of my allergies and allergic asthma, but I don't have insurance so I will see if it will be available somewhere for a reasonable price. Lukas never gets the flu shots not cause he was not at risk but because the vaccines contain egg and he is allergic to that. SO far he never had the flu, despite being in daycare.
He has been home since June and is barely exposed to other kids, his risk is very decreased and I don't worry too much about him getting the shot.

[underdog]

I listen to Glenn Beck.

THIS was my 10,000th post? What a waste.

[Suspect Chin]

If you do it they'll be fine as, like others have said, this vaccine is really no different from the other flu vaccines.

If you don't do it they'll be fine as well, as most of the swine flu thing is all media hype. Even if they contract it, assuming they are healthy otherwise, they will recover in a few days.

[sailor]

mojo is allowed to have kids?

[Freitag]

I don't understand this. I posted my vaccine w/o additives stance on Facebook and everyone labeled me a monster.

[TheMojoPin]

mojo is allowed to have kids?

I have 4.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't understand this. I posted my vaccine w/o additives stance on Facebook and everyone labeled me a monster.

Your stance was incidental; everyone just labels you a monster anyways.

[boosterp]

My only issues with the vaccine are the additives in the vaccine, not the vaccine itself.

My child and wife would get one, as long as there's no thimerosal or squalene in it.

If there's an alternative without additives that is just as potent, why roll the dice?

The squalene just promotes an immune reaction, I don't remember hearing about ill effects caused by the chemical. Thimerosal is more benign than eating fish caught off the coast of Maine. The mercury content in a half cc injection contains less mercury than the New Jersey air you breath.

mojo is allowed to have kids?

Let's hope not, otherwise we can easily locate where hell is.

[Dirtybird12]

The whole thing just seems a little odd. Out of the blue, this horrible flu pops up. It gets crazy media attention - at times almost sounding like a horror movie, trying to scare people with it... Our society is on the brink of hysteria and they know people will flock to get the shot...becuz theyve spent the last 8 months scaring the shit out of the world...

brilliant marketing guys!

they made the disease and created the cure.

No. My 7 mnth old son wont be getting one until Im a little more educated on the stuff.
Im not even sure he's old enough to get the vaccine..

Government mind control juice.

[epo]

I listen to Glenn Beck.

THIS was my 10,000th post? What a waste.

That's not a post...that's a lifetime mod quote!

[underdog]

That's not a post...that's a lifetime mod quote!

I miss being Annabelle Veal.

[Freitag]

The squalene just promotes an immune reaction, I don't remember hearing about ill effects caused by the chemical. Thimerosal is more benign than eating fish caught off the coast of Maine. The mercury content in a half cc injection contains less mercury than the New Jersey air you breath.



Again, because I don't think I'm making myself clear:

If a vaccine is available with the same potency w/o the additives, why would you take the version with additives?

We get so freaked out about preservatives in our food, but we shouldn't get annoyed with preservatives in our medicine?

[biggestmexi]

Again, because I don't think I'm making myself clear:

If a vaccine is available with the same potency w/o the additives, why would you take the version with additives?

We get so freaked out about preservatives in our food, but we shouldn't get annoyed with preservatives in our medicine?

I've drank gatorade out of a coolant bottle....yeah i rinsed it out buy im sure there was still shit in it.

And look, im still wasting life making poinless posts.

And you should seen the looks i was getting. It was green gatorade too.

Great.

[RhinoinMN]

I've drank gatorade out of a coolant bottle....yeah i rinsed it out buy im sure there was still shit in it.

And look, im still wasting life making poinless posts.

And you should seen the looks i was getting. It was green gatorade too.

Great.

Your eyesight is going to drop to 20/25 now you idiot.

[Suspect Chin]

Again, because I don't think I'm making myself clear:

If a vaccine is available with the same potency w/o the additives, why would you take the version with additives?

We get so freaked out about preservatives in our food, but we shouldn't get annoyed with preservatives in our medicine?

Just shooting from the hip here, but maybe the risk of spoiling from lack of preservatives is greater than the risk presented by the additives? Again, no real scientific knowledge just an idea.

[Freitag]

Just shooting from the hip here, but maybe the risk of spoiling from lack of preservatives is greater than the risk presented by the additives? Again, no real scientific knowledge just an idea.

Not really. The non-additive version is single-shot doses in a pre-filled, airtight syringe. The preservative version is a multi-dose vial. (not meaning you have to get multiple shots for one person, it means single-shots for multiple people)

[boosterp]

Just shooting from the hip here, but maybe the risk of spoiling from lack of preservatives is greater than the risk presented by the additives? Again, no real scientific knowledge just an idea.

Not really. The non-additive version is single-shot doses in a pre-filled, airtight syringe. The preservative version is a multi-dose vial. (not meaning you have to get multiple shots for one person, it means single-shots for multiple people)

Yup, and the single dose are more expensive and expire a lot sooner than a multi-dose vial. But the likelihood of having a multidose vial get contaminated is nill with a single dose application.

[Suspect Chin]

Yup, and the single dose are more expensive and expire a lot sooner than a multi-dose vial. But the likelihood of having a multidose vial get contaminated is nill with a single dose application.

Wouldn't having to draw from the same vial multiple times increase the likelihood of contamination?

[boosterp]

Wouldn't having to draw from the same vial multiple times increase the likelihood of contamination?
Yes, but there are aseptic techniques that make the occurrence of contamination happen very seldom. Usually it is from someone not swabbing the top with an alcohol swab right before draw or keeping the vial past a certain time period (some are 72 hrs once opened, etc.) and then drawing from it.

[TripleSkeet]

My kids are getting the regular flu shot, but not the swine flu one. People are fucking rubes. As of today there have been a total of 141 cases of swine fluy in the entire country. 141! This is just another scam so the doctors and pharmaceutical companies can profit. Of course your doctor is gonna recommend it. They make a few hundred bucks for every shot they give out. Like a car salesman trying to convince you to buy the truecoat.

As far as regular flu shots go, I dont get them. I really feel anyone between the ages of 6 and 60 that is in good health and gets a flu shot is a moron.

[Freitag]

I just saw the Desiree Jennings video. Yikes.

The funny thing is, even though she got the flu shot - she still got the flu.

Again, the flu vaccine apparently only gives you a 20% chance of protection.

[IMSlacker]

My kids are getting the regular flu shot, but not the swine flu one. People are fucking rubes. As of today there have been a total of 141 cases of swine fluy in the entire country. 141! This is just another scam so the doctors and pharmaceutical companies can profit. Of course your doctor is gonna recommend it. They make a few hundred bucks for every shot they give out. Like a car salesman trying to convince you to buy the truecoat.

As far as regular flu shots go, I dont get them. I really feel anyone between the ages of 6 and 60 that is in good health and gets a flu shot is a moron.

According to the CDC, there were more than 4,000 cases diagnosed last week (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/). Where are you getting this 141 number from?

[boosterp]

I just saw the Desiree Jennings video. Yikes.

The funny thing is, even though she got the flu shot - she still got the flu.

Again, the flu vaccine apparently only gives you a 20% chance of protection.

It's actually better than that, more like 50%. there are various strains of the flu and every year scientists take the most common strains and produce a vaccine that protects against those for the next flu season. It is a game of chance whether you get the flu or not, but I'd rather err on the side of having the vaccine than not. Thirteen years in healthcare and I had not gotton the flu, I stand by the vaccine.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I just saw the Desiree Jennings video. Yikes.

The funny thing is, even though she got the flu shot - she still got the flu.

Again, the flu vaccine apparently only gives you a 20% chance of protection.

Kinda like Norton.

[Friday]

first... i haven't read this thread... sorry :)

one of my co-workers had a kid with pneumonia this week.
she was scared to send her daughter back because over 170 kids were out of the school at the same time... many with swine flu.

scary!

i don't have kids so my opinion is kind of worthless, but i can't imagine not vaccinating in a situation like this. no parent should have to be so afraid of sending their kids to a place of learning.... i don't envy you guys.

[KC2OSO]

The whole thing just seems a little odd. Out of the blue, this horrible flu pops up. It gets crazy media attention - at times almost sounding like a horror movie, trying to scare people with it... Our society is on the brink of hysteria and they know people will flock to get the shot...becuz theyve spent the last 8 months scaring the shit out of the world...

brilliant marketing guys!

they made the disease and created the cure.

No. My 7 mnth old son wont be getting one until Im a little more educated on the stuff.
Im not even sure he's old enough to get the vaccine..

Government mind control juice.
Big pharma are not the most honest companies in the world at times but I find it a hard to believe that Baxter would mix a cocktail of virus strains into a cocktail and set it loose on the public. Meantime, like you, I have a little more reading to do. Maybe I'll ask Dr. Steve.

[RhinoinMN]

We would have vaccinated our kids, but they got the flu before it the vaccination was available.

[SatCam]

My kids are getting the regular flu shot, but not the swine flu one. People are fucking rubes. As of today there have been a total of 141 cases of swine fluy in the entire country. 141! This is just another scam so the doctors and pharmaceutical companies can profit. Of course your doctor is gonna recommend it. They make a few hundred bucks for every shot they give out. Like a car salesman trying to convince you to buy the truecoat.

As far as regular flu shots go, I dont get them. I really feel anyone between the ages of 6 and 60 that is in good health and gets a flu shot is a moron.

A lot of people/companies this year are capitalizing on the flu hype. Can you blame them? Walgreens gave out 1.2 million flu shots last season and 6 million so far this season. That's gonna be money in my pocket as a shareholder. All they had to do was put up signs and they came.

Is it a scam because of the lack of cases? No, it's a scam because the flu doesnt kill healthy people. It just makes you sick for a few days

[benjamin]

here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread508007/pg1

[underdog]

here:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread508007/pg1

You should really read the first comment on that post.

[benjamin]

You should really read the first comment on that post.

yeah (no shit) - i already did.
on ats you get both sides usually.

just putting more info out there.

make your own decisions.

[topless_mike]

3 confirmed cases at my kids school. luckily, he's in pre k, which has their own wing / bathrooms. they also eat their snacks in their classroom. we also know that some of the kids in his class have older siblings that are in the affected grade levels.

that being said, we've decided to have him vaccinated. we opted for the nasal spray, as opposed to the actual shot. with a 4 month old at home, we really dont want to take any chances.

i'm against him getting a shot, but i'm more against the little one getting sick.

[nate1000]

nasal spray for both last week

nothing to report

[RhinoinMN]

nasal spray for both last week

nothing to report

I wish either form would have been available for my kids. It was pretty rough watching them go through it, but they made it though and are fine now.

[walking joint]

my son got the nasal spray yesterday. kids are getting sick around my town at a crazy rate. the elementary school had over 100 kids out sick a week ago.

my wife also got it yesterday. my doctor still doesn't have the shot available for my 11 month old.

[furie]

I just saw the Desiree Jennings video. Yikes.

The funny thing is, even though she got the flu shot - she still got the flu.

Again, the flu vaccine apparently only gives you a 20% chance of protection.

I just found this:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Kpe1u4cKbTk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That little faker!

[PapaBear]

Crazy hot chick!!!!:clap:

[Chigworthy]

I just found this:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Kpe1u4cKbTk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That little faker!

I think the bigger hoax is that fucking reporter's fake voice and inhuman smarminess. Why do they act like that? Don't they know how stupid they look? Other countries must look at our news reporters and just become incapacitated by laughter.

[StanUpshaw]

Steve Novella is one of my favorite people ever.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=1