Obama lifts travel ban on HIV - I disagree

[FMJeff]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/30/obama.hiv.aids/index.html


I don't know if I agree with this or not. One one hand, if you have HIV and from a fairly well off country, you're probably taking the medication and have been educated on the disease enough to keep others safe. On the other hand, if you're not educated about the disease, you could be a walking disease center.

What do you think?

[topless_mike]

same as you bro.
if the person is educated /informed/ a decent person, they will perhaps go out of their way to keep others out of risk. unfortunately, most of society may not be or think that same way.

so, do we leave it up to personal responisbility with much higher risk, or cut that risk out completely ?


quick question. since when is it the airlines bidness to know what you may or may not have?

follow up: unless you are spitting on, bleeding on, or fucking a passenger, i thought hiv was not an issue.

[underdog]

follow up: unless you are spitting on, bleeding on, or fucking a passenger, i thought hiv was not an issue.

Spitting?

[Furtherman]

The ronfez.net Xmas party just got a lot more crowded.

[boobieman]

Don't know...just because someone has HIV does that mean they should be put on a island and not allow to go anywhere. At least maybe with this ban lifted people might be more honest about it. I wonder how many people came into this country with HIV and told no one, because of the ban.

Maybe people are coming here for help with the disease. Maybe they have HIV and their count is low. They are only carriers. I just think banning someone because they have HIV is a little too much. What next can't let anyone from another country in because they smoke...they might have cancer..and we have to pay for it...or they might smoke in front of someone and give them cancer..or smoke in front of a child and that child will fall into the trap and start smoking.

No women because they have sweet vags and might get pregnant and we would have to pay for it.

Just does not feel right..now excuse me I see a kid standing next to a sweet vag...I'm off to smoke.

SSSSEYYAAAA

[boobieman]

The ronfez.net Xmas party just got a lot more crowded.

Fuckin Funny...:lol::lol:

SEYAYAYA

[Dude!]

obama was probably instructed to do this
by his masters in Beijing and Riyadh

one more way to weaken
and then destroy
America

[epo]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/30/obama.hiv.aids/index.html


I don't know if I agree with this or not. One one hand, if you have HIV and from a fairly well off country, you're probably taking the medication and have been educated on the disease enough to keep others safe. On the other hand, if you're not educated about the disease, you could be a walking disease center.

What do you think?

Its past time that this ban be lifted. 22 years ago we knew nothing about this disease and people actually thought sweat, handshakes and spit could spread the virus. Now science tells us something very different and the ban was nothing less than punitive upon those who are "immoral".

Good for the administration.

[~Katja~]

same as you bro.
if the person is educated /informed/ a decent person, they will perhaps go out of their way to keep others out of risk. unfortunately, most of society may not be or think that same way.

so, do we leave it up to personal responisbility with much higher risk, or cut that risk out completely ?


quick question. since when is it the airlines bidness to know what you may or may not have?

follow up: unless you are spitting on, bleeding on, or fucking a passenger, i thought hiv was not an issue.
the airline doesn't know, but immigration does ask these questions.
Note that only a dozen countries continue to have this ban, meaning American citizen with HIV can travel about almost anywhere in the world.

[SonOfSmeagol]

It doesn’t say whether they are Americans that are being allowed to travel back into the US. If so, good. If not, not so sure.

Not to take away from all that feel good humanitarian shit, but unless they bring the $$$ for treatment it’ll be just that many more to latch onto the huge pending health care teat.

Man, that’s cold, I know! But with limited resources I just can't help but lean towards taking care of our own first.

[SatCam]

If you didn't know you had the disease, you could still get into the country before today. That's more dangerous than people who are aware they are infected.

[HBox]

It doesn’t say whether they are Americans that are being allowed to travel back into the US. If so, good. If not, not so sure.

Not to take away from all that feel good humanitarian shit, but unless they bring the $$$ for treatment it’ll be just that many more to latch onto the huge pending health care teat.

Man, that’s cold, I know! But with limited resources I just can't help but lean towards taking care of our own first.

The most anyone would get under health care plans under consideration is a subsidy to buy insurance if they can'y afford, which would mean they are working and contributing something to the system. Otherwise it would function the same where they just show up to an ER if something serious happens. And since HIV/AIDS maintenance is most reliant on prescription drugs if they relied on to treat their condition they wouldn't live very long.

This ban lift was started and passed through Congress during the final days of the Bush Administration and has fairly thorough bi-partisan support. Aren't we past the point where we need to be this terrified of AIDS?

[IMSlacker]

It doesn’t say whether they are Americans that are being allowed to travel back into the US. If so, good. If not, not so sure.

Not to take away from all that feel good humanitarian shit, but unless they bring the $$$ for treatment it’ll be just that many more to latch onto the huge pending health care teat.

Man, that’s cold, I know! But with limited resources I just can't help but lean towards taking care of our own first.

I wouldn't worry about that too much. There will still be several countries with much nicer teats.

[Dude!]

I wouldn't worry about that too much. There will still be several countries with much nicer teats.

like Jezo's!

[SonOfSmeagol]

The most anyone would get under health care plans under consideration is a subsidy to buy insurance if they can'y afford, which would mean they are working and contributing something to the system. Otherwise it would function the same where they just show up to an ER if something serious happens. And since HIV/AIDS maintenance is most reliant on prescription drugs if they relied on to treat their condition they wouldn't live very long.

This ban lift was started and passed through Congress during the final days of the Bush Administration and has fairly thorough bi-partisan support. Aren't we past the point where we need to be this terrified of AIDS?

So...you’d work em into the ground and then have em die in some sterile ER hallway? You Bastard!
:innocent:

[angrymissy]

FYI, The Bush Admin is actually the ones who put this in motion.

It's not going to cause any more or less HIV positive people to come in, they're not testing them when they visit the country, they're simply asking them if they are HIV positive.

No other civilized country has this ban. It was started back in the OMG YOURE GONNA GET AIDZ FROM THE TOILET days.

These are the other countries that ban HIV positive travel:

Iraq, China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Sudan, Qatar, Brunei, Oman, Moldova, Russia, Armenia, and South Korea.

[HBox]

So...you’d work em into the ground and then have em die in some sterile ER hallway? You Bastard!
:innocent:

I'm not the one complaining about how much health reform costs. If anyone has a better idea to save money than by letting foreign people with AIDS wither away and die in our ER hallways than I'd like to hear it.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I’m really really not trying to pick a fight, and not trying to be extra cold, but can’t foreign people with any deadly condition (U.S. relatives and other special circumstances aside) just stay in their own country and die there? Are we the world’s hospice or what? Don’t U.S. citizens deserve all the support first? It’s not like we’re made of money here. And we’re a long way from the United fucking Federation of Planets, let alone a one-world gov’t.

[~Katja~]

I’m really really not trying to pick a fight, and not trying to be extra cold, but can’t foreign people with any deadly condition (U. S. relatives and other special circumstances aside) just stay in their own country and die there? Are we the world’s hospice or what? Don’t US citizens deserve all the support first? It’s not like we’re made of money here. And we’re a long way from the United fucking Federation of Planets, let alone a one-world gov’t.
if you think they will travel here for treatment you are way off

[SonOfSmeagol]

if you think they will travel here for treatment you are way off

I know every HIV-positive person is not imminently dying - so what is it - student, tourist visa, or, what? Why would they travel here?

[IMSlacker]

I know every HIV-positive person is not imminently dying - so what is it - student, tourist visa, or, what? Why would they travel here?

Or business travel. Same reasons anyone else would travel here.

[underdog]

I know every HIV-positive person is not imminently dying - so what is it - student, tourist visa, or, what? Why would they travel here?

To be a tourist?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Or business travel. Same reasons anyone else would travel here.

Ya, I could see that. Just as long as they eventually go home or apply for citizenship. Just like any other foreigner with temporary status. Or however the legal immigration process works - it should be followed for anyone entering here.

[Recyclerz]

Andrew Sullivan from the Atlantic on what ending the ban means (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/10/free-at-last.html)

Sullivan is one of a handful of conservative* bloggers that I read regularly because I think he makes sense (most of the time).

*(Albeit not exactly your typical Conservative, more like a gay, HIV+, married, Catholic, anti-Palin, pro-pot Conservative. His blog makes for interesting reading.)

His post will show why this act makes sense on a human level. And Missy is right - W does deserve some credit on this as well.

[A.J.]

obama was probably instructed to do this
by his masters in Beijing and Riyadh

one more way to weaken
and then destroy
America

Nah, not Riyadh. That's because AIDS is a homosexual disease and homosexuality is un-Islamic.

[sailor]

i'm shocked this was even a law (or rule or whatever).

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/30/obama.hiv.aids/index.html


I don't know if I agree with this or not. One one hand, if you have HIV and from a fairly well off country, you're probably taking the medication and have been educated on the disease enough to keep others safe. On the other hand, if you're not educated about the disease, you could be a walking disease center.

What do you think?

If one is "uneducated" about the disease they probably are unaware that they have it. It was a largely ineffective and redundant restriction birthed out of panic and lack of knowledge about HIV and AIDS.

[A.J.]

It was started back in the OMG YOURE GONNA GET AIDZ FROM THE TOILET days.

Yeah, they later realized that it was a different can where you catch the AIDS.