2011 Philadelphia Phillies Thread

[cougarjake13]

looks like the phils are starting their own braves like division run



i dont see the mets challenging any time soon with their ineptitude, nats and marlins pose no real threat but ya never know with the marlins


so its pretty much gonna be the phils and braves for the next few years at least




congrats

[spoon]

looks like the phils are starting their own braves like division run



i dont see the mets challenging any time soon with their ineptitude, nats and marlins pose no real threat but ya never know with the marlins


so its pretty much gonna be the phils and braves for the next few years at least




congrats

That's not fair to the Phils, they actually win playoff series and already have one WS title with one coming this year too. Fuck the Braves.

Oh and don't sleep on the Nats. A move or two for some good vets to work with all that young talent and it could be a tough team.

[Earlshog]

PHILADELPHIA -- Placido Polanco is out of the Phillies lineup for today's playoff opener with the Reds.

Manager Charlie Manuel said Polanco has a back problem, and that Wilson Valdez will start at third base instead. Manuel described the problem as stiffness in the middle back, and said Polanco came to him and told him he wasn't able to play.

The Phillies have dealt with injuries all year. All four of their infielders spent time on the disabled list, and Valdez played 59 games at shortstop in place of Jimmy Rollins. Valdez also played seven games at third base this year, but he has played only 17 games at third in his major-league career (and only four games in his 11-year minor-league career).

The Phillies signed Polanco as a free agent last winter, and he had a very good season. In addition to being one of the best second-spot hitters in baseball, he played better than anticipated defensively at third base.

[spoon]

Man it's cool to finally see Halladay do damage in the playoffs. He's simply fucking awesome and if mlb wasn't dirt we would have seen other great players like him from time to time in the playoffs if they fix the awful system. They wonder why 5 teams get attendance everywhere and others can't draw shit. It's called profile and hope. 80% of the teams out there have zero with the way things are right now. Hell, this is the first time Halladay has been in this spot and it's about time we get a look at Votto as well.

Go Phils.

[Barnaby Jones]

They wonder why 5 teams get attendance everywhere and others can't draw shit.

What a fantastically incorrect statement! Wow!

[hammersavage]

wow

[Snacks]

a no hitter, wow just wow.

[spoon]

What a fantastically incorrect statement! Wow!

Yes, Cleveland, Oakland, Florida, Pitt, Toronto, KC, Balt, Washinton, TB, Arizona, Seattle all around or below .50% filled on the year say WOW you're so right. Then when you look at attendance when the all-star teams like the yankees come to town it usually jumps up by .25% more you are totally correct.

Halladay was buried for years on some pretty good fucking teams in Toronto, but of course I had to hear he wasn't shit yet bc he hadn't "won in the playoffs" by yank fans. This sets in motion how awards are influenced by playoff inclusion (which it shouldn't) and overall image tied to the same thing. The lead is so based on a few teams, just look at the ESPN coverage day to day during the years. It used to be that other teams got some exposure and love, now it's Boston, NYY, St. Louis, Cubs (fuck if I know y?...popularity/lovable losers?) and a few other flavors of the day every fucking damn game.

Go Phils.

[Marc with a c]

i hope roy halladay burns in hell.

[TheGameHHH]

Yes, Cleveland, Oakland, Florida, Pitt, Toronto, KC, Balt, Washinton, TB, Arizona, Seattle all around or below .50% filled on the year say WOW you're so right. Then when you look at attendance when the all-star teams like the yankees come to town it usually jumps up by .25% more you are totally correct.

Halladay was buried for years on some pretty good fucking teams in Toronto, but of course I had to hear he wasn't shit yet bc he hadn't "won in the playoffs" by yank fans. This sets in motion how awards are influenced by playoff inclusion (which it shouldn't) and overall image tied to the same thing. The lead is so based on a few teams, just look at the ESPN coverage day to day during the years. It used to be that other teams got some exposure and love, now it's Boston, NYY, St. Louis, Cubs (fuck if I know y?...popularity/lovable losers?) and a few other flavors of the day every fucking damn game.

Go Phils.

ok, who the fuck said that? and don't use some stupid cop-out like 'i hear it on the radio all over NY'

[spoon]

ok, who the fuck said that? and don't use some stupid cop-out like 'i hear it on the radio all over NY'

I'm talking with local fans in my neighborhood and people I work with and some friends. It's no cop-out you fuck, it's a fact. A fact I just made a few calls based on to serve a little crow to some assholes. Too bad I can't do it for a few accounts in the same way bc I like making money.

Still, it has been said by stupid yank fans on the radio plenty as well. When they were talking the other night a few idiots called in and said even now there is no pitcher they'd rather have on the mound other than Andy Petite. Yah, ok. He was close to not even pitching due to injury and isn't even healthy overall just yet, but sure, Petite over Lee, Halladay, CC among soooo many others. Not to mention when he was on the block and said fans claimed they had enough EXPERIENCED playoff guys now in NY like CC and AJ (HA!) and they don't need an experiment/unknown like Halladay. Yah, sorry H that I have a thing called a memory.

Fuck the spanks, go Phils!

[spoon]

i hope roy halladay burns in hell.

Hope floats.

[spoon]

ok, who the fuck said that? and don't use some stupid cop-out like 'i hear it on the radio all over NY'

We all know yank fans are never known to say dumb shit or be MYOPIC in their approach to the game. Sure thing H. I even used your buzz word so go Pee Wee's Playhouse Nuts!

[disneyspy]

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[K.C.]

framing my ticket stub.

[spoon]

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[sailor]

Go Phils.

why wouldn't you hate the phils for the exact same reason you hate the yankees?

[K.C.]

why wouldn't you hate the phils for the exact same reason you hate the yankees?

Because the Phillies have a budget.

It's called the luxury tax, and it's why they'll be losing Jayson Werth this offseason.

Only ONE team spends above the luxury tax.

Also, what's the last huge free agent buy the Phillies made? Thome seven years ago? They acquire through trades fueled by their awesome farm system.

[Earlshog]

Docs da man 2010!

[spoon]

why wouldn't you hate the phils for the exact same reason you hate the yankees?

KC made the bulk of my argument, but let's not leave out that the league is as it is right now due to George and his control of Selig and their actions that led up to this huge top to bottom salary system currently. Boston, Philly and others try to at least spend NEAR the yanks and are often spending that money to keep their people, not taking them from others. Also, it's like KC said, they move good farm products for the people they acquire versus fleece dumb teams with salary dumps like NYY does.

Can I fault NY for other teams making dumb moves and believing the hype of every fucking player in NY, not really. However, sometimes the yanks are the only teams willing or able to make those moves so other teams have little choice. Toronto waited, rightfully so, and then got the guys they wanted. Many said it was a bad move when he wasn't moved at the deadline last year. I disagreed wholeheartedly, as having him one more year was no boobie prize and he was clearly willing to negotiate a good contract if moved to a new team. He took less for years to play in Toronto, he surely would do the same on a contender unlike Lee. There is so much more but I think that's enough for now.

[Earlshog]

framing my ticket stub.

:drunk:

[spoon]

Because the Phillies have a budget.

It's called the luxury tax, and it's why they'll be losing Jayson Werth this offseason.

Only ONE team spends above the luxury tax.

Also, what's the last huge free agent buy the Phillies made? Thome seven years ago? They acquire through trades fueled by their awesome farm system.

Will he be a yank or met?

[K.C.]

Will he be a yank or met?

Crawford to the Yanks, Werth to the Sox, Mets get left in the cold again (they'll end up trading for Papelbon or something and he'll blow out an arm).

[spoon]

On the selfish side of things, the Phils also aren't in Toronto's division like NY. They not only take up a playoff spot every year in the AL East, they pretty much drive up the spending for the Sox as well making it a small window for success for teams like TB and Toronto. TB is there now purely based on years of being GOD AWFUL and reaping the rewards of top picks over and over while Toronto was usually around .500 or better in the toughest division by far (even tougher for OTHER teams in the East than being NYY or Boston). TB will be losing many of their guys soon now too bc they'll leave for big money, some in NY for sure.

[spoon]

Crawford to the Yanks, Werth to the Sox, Mets get left in the cold again (they'll end up trading for Papelbon or something and he'll blow out an arm).

Could be on that! I wouldn't doubt the Met part in the least. :lol:

We'll see though bc they'll at least have a new GM/coach soon. It can't get worse can it!?

[K.C.]

Could be on that! I wouldn't doubt the Met part in the least. :lol:

We'll see though bc they'll at least have a new GM/coach soon. It can't get worse can it!?

The word on the Mets is no one established wants either job because the Wilpons are such meddling dicks in the day to day operations.

So they're going to end up with some young assistant GM and a new or desperate manager (i.e. Wally Backman).

Omar was pretty brutal, so it probably can't get worse. But it's a long way from better.

They're going to be just as bad in 2011. After that, they have a lot of payroll flexibility to make some moves.

If they have a smart GM, they should be able to put together a good team for 2012. It could be an Omar redux, though.

One bad thing about them is they owe Santana a TON of money, and the nature of his injury could be severely career altering.

They owe him like 25 mil per season for the next four years or so. Just a brutal contract.

[spoon]

Add the Beltran contract NOBODY will touch and the KRod mess and you have yourself one hell of a clusterfuck.

I think there are so many manger jobs out there right now too that it'll be interesting to see where they all come from. I assume (on top of Mattingly in LA) we're going to see a bunch of first time managers soon.

[Barnaby Jones]

Yes, Cleveland, Oakland, Florida, Pitt, Toronto, KC, Balt, Washinton, TB, Arizona, Seattle all around or below .50% filled on the year say WOW you're so right. Then when you look at attendance when the all-star teams like the yankees come to town it usually jumps up by .25% more you are totally correct.

You made it sound like that only a tiny number of teams are drawing big numbers and ending up well in the black, which simply isn't true! Subtract the team you listed above and you still have most of the teams throughout the sport drawing in good to great numbers! It's also skewed by including teams playing in spots that never should have gotten a team in the first place (TB, Arizona, Toronto) and teams that are obviously fucked over by terrible/crazy/selfish owners (Florida, Pittsburgh and Baltimore)! So few of those teams could legitimately support the argument that baseball is "broken!"

[Barnaby Jones]

Amazing game by Halladay! That one was special!

[spoon]

it is broken, just not for the big markets

Yes, Toronto, a team once supported by countless sellouts from the 80's on should never have had a team. Right. Their attendance issues have nothing, NOTHING to do with their loss of huge players day in and day out, the division they toil in or the strike and resulting league from it. It's just a bad sports/MLB market, got it.

[spoon]

You made it sound like that only a tiny number of teams are drawing big numbers and ending up well in the black, which simply isn't true! Subtract the team you listed above and you still have most of the teams throughout the sport drawing in good to great numbers! It's also skewed by including teams playing in spots that never should have gotten a team in the first place (TB, Arizona, Toronto) and teams that are obviously fucked over by terrible/crazy/selfish owners (Florida, Pittsburgh and Baltimore)! So few of those teams could legitimately support the argument that baseball is "broken!"

Also, here's ur top end, only 5 teams have attendance at or above 90% (SF at 90.3% as a playoff team), 4 teams in the 80s percentile and 5 more in the 70s. That leaves 16 under 70% and 10 53.9% total or less. Yes, great shape.

[Barnaby Jones]

Keep baseball out of Canada!

[spoon]

Keep baseball out of Canada!

Epo is gonna be PISSSSSED!

[Barnaby Jones]

Also, here's ur top end, only 5 teams have attendance at or above 90% (SF at 90.3% as a playoff team), 4 teams in the 80s percentile and 5 more in the 70s. That leaves 16 under 70% and 10 53.9% total or less. Yes, great shape.

So what's your cut off point for what's acceptable attendance, chief? You talk like being between 70% and 55% is crippling financially when it's obviously not! And there are 30 teams, so having only less than 10 consistently under 50% is pretty fucking good!

Get your socialist crap out of here, ya pinko!

[spoon]

So what's your cut off point for what's acceptable attendance, chief? You talk like being between 70% and 55% is crippling financially when it's obviously not! And there are 30 teams, so having only less than 10 consistently under 50% is pretty fucking good!

Get your socialist crap out of here, ya pinko!

Ok scout, let's do some comparison to a sport people like to shit on, the NHL.

The NHL have 11 teams at or above 100%, 6 more between 97.3-99.3, and it goes 29 of 30 teams deep at ~75% and up. The only team lower is by your excuse excluded from judgment bc the team is in ownership/location flux being Phoenix at 68.5%. More than half of MLB teams are below that average and it only continues to get worse.

[spoon]

NFL has only one team below 80% with 9 above 100% and 27 above 90%.

[spoon]

NBA has only 1 team under 70% at 69.1% and they can't count as well by your rules bc it's the Nets who are slated to move soon. 17 teams are above 90%, 7 more (24 deep) are above 80% and only 5 more are in the 70 percentile.

[cougarjake13]

The word on the Mets is no one established wants either job because the Wilpons are such meddling dicks in the day to day operations.

So they're going to end up with some young assistant GM and a new or desperate manager (i.e. Wally Backman).

Omar was pretty brutal, so it probably can't get worse. But it's a long way from better.

They're going to be just as bad in 2011. After that, they have a lot of payroll flexibility to make some moves.

If they have a smart GM, they should be able to put together a good team for 2012. It could be an Omar redux, though.

One bad thing about them is they owe Santana a TON of money, and the nature of his injury could be severely career altering.

They owe him like 25 mil per season for the next four years or so. Just a brutal contract.

what sucks is it was almost worth it minaya and all


2006 we had a good shot at winning it all ... hell we took the cards to game 7 and that was without pedro or el duque who were huge that year, plug them in and we prob at least make it to world series against tigers

[spoon]

what sucks is it was almost worth it minaya and all


2006 we had a good shot at winning it all ... hell we took the cards to game 7 and that was without pedro or el duque who were huge that year, plug them in and we prob at least make it to world series against tigers

I chalk that up with the likeness of Turner in SD, he's winning bc of the players making adjustments out there like Rivers and his D coord. If they ever win, it's in spite of Turner, not bc of him. He's really the broken cog keeping them from doing more to be honest.

[Barnaby Jones]

Hey, spoon! What's the average seat capacity of a typical basketball/hockey arena vs. a typical baseball stadium?

LULZ!

[Barnaby Jones]

Only 3 MLB stadiums have the capacity to seat less than 40,000 people and none have the capacity to seat below 35,000!

The average hockey/basketball arena seats around 18,000-21,000! Hmmmmm, that suddenly throws those percentages in a different light! SHEEPY HORN FOR SPOON! OLOLOLOL!

[TripleSkeet]

Im too fucking hammered to read through this thread. All I can say is thankg God I didnt miss out on this game tonight. That staidum was ROCKIN!

[Snacks]

Only 3 MLB stadiums have the capacity to seat less than 40,000 people and none have the capacity to seat below 35,000!

The average hockey/basketball arena seats around 18,000-21,000! Hmmmmm, that suddenly throws those percentages in a different light! SHEEPY HORN FOR SPOON! OLOLOLOL!

NHL Average Ticket Prices $48.72
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/115606

MLB Average Ticket Prices $26.74
http://blog.pennlive.com/fanbox/2010/04/mlb_ticket_prices_average_out.html

I dont know what the argument is but Im guessing its that even the teams that have less fan support/ticket sales should still be able to spend money? NHL attendance is almost full through out the league. Baseball is not. I understand they have larger stadiums and double the home games. But the NHL sell more tickets at a higher price per ticket avg.

[spoon]

NHL Average Ticket Prices $48.72
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/115606

MLB Average Ticket Prices $26.74
http://blog.pennlive.com/fanbox/2010/04/mlb_ticket_prices_average_out.html

I dont know what the argument is but Im guessing its that even the teams that have less fan support/ticket sales should still be able to spend money? NHL attendance is almost full through out the league. Baseball is not. I understand they have larger stadiums and double the home games. But the NHL sell more tickets at a higher price per ticket avg.

Thank you, bc that's where I was about to go.

The NBA and NFL aren't cheap either. Bottom line is MLB isn't selling like it used to and is being hit WAY more than any other sport in this economy bc a ton of towns/people don't care outside of a few teams every year and it's growing. MLB's approach is based on a few major market teams and expanding their exposure and more people are coming on board the bandwagons as desired, but much less than how many are leaving the sport overall and their hometown albatrosses.

[spoon]

Only 3 MLB stadiums have the capacity to seat less than 40,000 people and none have the capacity to seat below 35,000!

The average hockey/basketball arena seats around 18,000-21,000! Hmmmmm, that suddenly throws those percentages in a different light! SHEEPY HORN FOR SPOON! OLOLOLOL!

So the answer is like MLS, smaller stadiums bc the market for MLB is shrinking!? Oh wait, that was my argument! RIGHT!

[Justice4all]

We all know yank fans are never known to say dumb shit or be MYOPIC in their approach to the game. Sure thing H. I even used your buzz word so go Pee Wee's Playhouse Nuts!

Any Yankees fan worth his weight in salt wouldn't talk crap about Halliday. He has always been a dominant pitcher where he went. Just like Randy Johnson (before he complained about his back)
We just always wish he was on OUR team. But would have done way better then Johnson did.


Go Phils!

Die!

[spoon]

Any Yankees fan worth his weight in salt wouldn't talk crap about Halliday.

Who are you talking about, some mystical cross between Roy HALLADAY and Matt HOLLIDAY? Does he ride a unicorn?

[A.J.]

That was fucking awesome. One stupid BB and he gets a perfecto. Only 104 pitches too.

[Furtherman]

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[A.J.]

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Thank you.

[Justice4all]

Who are you talking about, some mystical cross between Roy HALLADAY and Matt HOLLIDAY? Does he ride a unicorn?

So I mis-spelled Roy's name...sue me.

[Earlshog]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_lemire/10/14/nlcs.five.keys/index.html?eref=sihp

NLCS Five Keys: Giants-Phillies

[realmenhatelife]

Not excited about Pat the Bat's capability to jack clutch homers.

[TripleSkeet]

Not excited about Pat the Bat's capability to jack clutch homers.

Burrell knows the deal.

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[Furtherman]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Earlshog]

Not excited about Pat the Bat's capability to jack clutch homers.



Every time he does something annoying ass Joe Buck is going to be pointing out how the Phils gave up on him...


Let's hope in this storyline Ibanez comes out with the strap!

[Marc with a c]

What's the deal with this game potentially being blackouted?

[hammersavage]

What's the deal with this game potentially being blackouted?

Cablevision and Fox are in contract disputes so Fox was dropped. It happened with ABC in the spring.

I hope it'll be fixed before tomorrows football games.

[IamFogHat]

I hope god doesn't know about this thread.

[Furtherman]

Cablevision and Fox are in contract disputes so Fox was dropped. It happened with ABC in the spring.

I hope it'll be fixed before tomorrows football games.

It wasn't.

Rat bastards made me go out to find a bar with direct TV so I could watch the game.

But the Phills won! So I'm over it.

[Earlshog]

Big game later this afternoon... Check this out another ex Phil may be in the line up...

Giants manager Bruce Bochy said he was considering starting Aaron Rowand over the struggling Andres Torres in center field for Game 3 of the National League Championship Series against Philadelphia. Bochy planned to talk to both players after their workouts on Tuesday. "Andres, he's battling it right now," Bochy said. "It may be time for a change here." Rowand has not yet appeared in the NLCS, and he had only one plate appearance in the division series against the Braves.

Due to Torres' stellar play, Rowand lost his starting job in June and he slumped his way to a .230 batting average this season. He no longer has the power nor the defensive range that he had shown in the past, so even if he is given another opportunity to play regularly, Rowand could struggle to keep the gig. He still has two more years on his $60 million contract with the Giants, so he will likely stick around in some capacity, but he will not be worth considering in Fantasy other than in NL-only leagues next season.

[Furtherman]

OK, I'll admit it. I feared the beard.

I mean, that thing looked like a beard full of bees. Angry, fire breathing bees from hell.

[Sinestro]

Well at least the Yankees and Phillies can compete for the Bronze medal.

[TjM]

That is one epic beard

[TripleSkeet]

OK, I'll admit it. I feared the beard.

I mean, that thing looked like a beard full of bees. Angry, fire breathing bees from hell.

Fuck that Al Quaeda looking motherfucker. This series is not even close to being over.

[IamFogHat]

I know this thread needs to exist for discussion purposes but why are we using the name of the team? God might hear us.

[IamFogHat]

Is his arm broken, what the fuck is going on?

[Earlshog]

Down 3 - 1 facing "the freak", Sanchez, and Cain. Not exactly an ideal position.

You have to win that game last night. I like Charlie Manuel as much as the next guy but again, as with last year's world series, he has made some puzzling decisions.

On the positive the bats did wake up a bit last night. Hopefully they keep moving in that direction. As we know watching this team over the past few years when those bats go cold, they go real cold.


Lets go Phils!!! One at a time!!!!

[TripleSkeet]

Well this isnt gonna be easy. Gotta take it one game at a time.

[sailor]

I know this thread needs to exist for discussion purposes but why are we using the name of the team? God might hear us.


God hates best-of's?

[A.J.]

I think I know tomorrow's opening song. Sorry Phils fans:

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[Justice4all]

No idea how painful it was to write NL Champs...I'll post an analysis in a few days after the wound scabs up a little.

Is it less painful for you now??

[realmenhatelife]

People dont know how to act. Congratulations, you're the 5th person to post "No Joy In Mudville" as their facebook status, clever.

First thing at work this morning: Yeah, but the Steelers won!

Raul Ibanez lives around and is frequently seen around the town I work in. A friend who still works at Starbucks "Just talked to Raul Ibanez and his wife, they're both so nice."
reply: "Oh what did he say about the game, is he totally heartbroken?"

Are you fucking crazy? So a few cars got flipped and set on fire in 08, this is far more irresponsible.

[Earlshog]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/11/01/phillies.lopes.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc


Lopes tells Phils he won't return as coach

[realmenhatelife]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/11/01/phillies.lopes.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc


Lopes tells Phils he won't return as coach

It sucks although their running game wasn't nearly as aggressive this year. It's speculated that the Phils might like to get Juan Samuel back in town. Lopes had the best deep blaxploitation voice, and a look on his face that he could still run on half the pitchers in the league.

[Furtherman]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/11/01/phillies.lopes.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc


Lopes tells Phils he won't return as coach

Damn I liked that guy. He was awesome in Stargate SG-1.

http://www.rdanderson.com/stargate/lexicon/entries/images/bratac.jpg

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/04/19/54isrHNW.jpg

[realmenhatelife]

Like any Phillies fan I'm very happy about Cliff Lee, and if he wanted to kill a hooker he could do it tomorrow in Philly and get away with it.

I dont hate the Johnny come lately fans who dont really get the ebbs and flows of the game, and overreact at everything, but lets not pretend we're the small town team and the big hearted star who turned down the enticements of the evil empire and struck a blow for virtue. Yes, Cliff Lee made a personal decision not entirely based on money to play here, thats fantastic and he will be legendary in Philly for it, but we still have a gigantic payroll and are very Yankeeish for the NL. You cant say money isn't everything when the guy is still getting 120 mil, we made money a non issue by giving him more money than he could ever spend and he had the common sense to recognize that when its more money than you could ever spend it is essentially all the same amount despite being 10 million one way or the other.

[Snacks]

Like any Phillies fan I'm very happy about Cliff Lee, and if he wanted to kill a hooker he could do it tomorrow in Philly and get away with it.

I dont hate the Johnny come lately fans who dont really get the ebbs and flows of the game, and overreact at everything, but lets not pretend we're the small town team and the big hearted star who turned down the enticements of the evil empire and struck a blow for virtue. Yes, Cliff Lee made a personal decision not entirely based on money to play here, thats fantastic and he will be legendary in Philly for it, but we still have a gigantic payroll and are very Yankeeish for the NL. You cant say money isn't everything when the guy is still getting 120 mil, we made money a non issue by giving him more money than he could ever spend and he had the common sense to recognize that when its more money than you could ever spend it is essentially all the same amount despite being 10 million one way or the other.

Thats what I just said earlier about how its a huge slap in the yankees face. All along they thought if he went anywhere else besides NY it would be a smaller market or the south. The fact that he chose less money, less years, from a N East team with a rowdy fanbase (everyone thought his wife was afraid of NY) and from a team who he was pissed at in the 1st place for trading him last year? Wow all that and he still chose philly over the yanks is just going to kill them all!

Now what do the yanks do? They have 2 starters (CC is a stud)? Petite is retiring, AJ is garbage, and the best free agent available pitcher is Pavano and we know they aint signing him! Their offensive line up is still great but Jeter is getting old, Arod is getting old, Posada is old, No offense from the catcher now, Swisher is the only run producing bat in the OF and Boston just got better!

I would bet the yanks make a move and soon! They wont sit back!

[Furtherman]

Cliff Lee. Good man.

[realmenhatelife]

Thats what I just said earlier about how its a huge slap in the yankees face. All along they thought if he went anywhere else besides NY it would be a smaller market or the south. The fact that he chose less money, less years, from a N East team with a rowdy fanbase (everyone thought his wife was afraid of NY) and from a team who he was pissed at in the 1st place for trading him last year? Wow all that and he still chose philly over the yanks is just going to kill them all!

Now what do the yanks do? They have 2 starters (CC is a stud)? Petite is retiring, AJ is garbage, and the best free agent available pitcher is Pavano and we know they aint signing him! Their offensive line up is still great but Jeter is getting old, Arod is getting old, Posada is old, No offense from the catcher now, Swisher is the only run producing bat in the OF and Boston just got better!

I would bet the yanks make a move and soon! They wont sit back!


I think there's a difference between being 'afraid of' and getting spit on. If someone spit on my fictional wife I wouldn't play for them either, dude has fuck you money, what good is it if you cant say fuck you.

[Earlshog]

Like any Phillies fan I'm very happy about Cliff Lee, and if he wanted to kill a hooker he could do it tomorrow in Philly and get away with it.

I dont hate the Johnny come lately fans who dont really get the ebbs and flows of the game, and overreact at everything, but lets not pretend we're the small town team and the big hearted star who turned down the enticements of the evil empire and struck a blow for virtue. Yes, Cliff Lee made a personal decision not entirely based on money to play here, thats fantastic and he will be legendary in Philly for it, but we still have a gigantic payroll and are very Yankeeish for the NL. You cant say money isn't everything when the guy is still getting 120 mil, we made money a non issue by giving him more money than he could ever spend and he had the common sense to recognize that when its more money than you could ever spend it is essentially all the same amount despite being 10 million one way or the other.

I have heard this a few times today. The Phillies are most certainly not the Yankees of the N.L. Unlike the Yankees, players take less money to play in Phily. The yanks have to pony up much more then the next closest player. The Yanks don't care if they make a mistake signing players. The Phils are selective. They let Burrell go, the let Rowand go, Werth, etc. If any comparison is to be made with the Yanks it would be the way they were run in the 1994 - 2000 era.


Lee turned down $50 mil to play for the Phils not 10.

[Snacks]

I have heard this a few times today. The Phillies are most certainly not the Yankees of the N.L. Unlike the Yankees, players take less money to play in Phily. The yanks have to pony up much more then the next closest player. The Yanks don't care if they make a mistake signing players. The Phils are selective. They let Burrell go, the let Rowand go, Werth, etc. If any comparison is to be made with the Yanks it would be the way they were run in the 1994 - 2000 era.


Lee turned down $50 mil to play for the Phils not 10.

I dont know where this $50 million is coming from?

WFAN just reported that the Phills deal is 5 years $120 with the option making it 6 years $135
The Yanks offer was 6 years $138 million with the option year bringing it up to 7 years $154 million. At best its $19 million but also 1 more year of playing. So its actually about the same per year deal. He didnt take much less but he did take a little less to play somewhere he wanted to be rather then be somewhere he doesnt.

I think when your 32 you take the extra year for the extra money but when you are talking that much money its not huge especially if he doesnt want to play more then 6 years anyway!

[Earlshog]

I dont know where this $50 million is coming from?

WFAN just reported that the Phills deal is 5 years $120 with the option making it 6 years $135
The Yanks offer was 6 years $138 million with the option year bringing it up to 7 years $154 million. At best its $19 million but also 1 more year of playing. So its actually about the same per year deal. He didnt take much less but he did take a little less to play somewhere he wanted to be rather then be somewhere he doesnt.

I think when your 32 you take the extra year for the extra money but when you are talking that much money its not huge especially if he doesnt want to play more then 6 years anyway!

I read the Daily News on the way into work, and it had the $50M figure in the article. Guess we will have to see when the real numbers are released.

[realmenhatelife]

I have heard this a few times today. The Phillies are most certainly not the Yankees of the N.L. Unlike the Yankees, players take less money to play in Phily. The yanks have to pony up much more then the next closest player. The Yanks don't care if they make a mistake signing players. The Phils are selective. They let Burrell go, the let Rowand go, Werth, etc. If any comparison is to be made with the Yanks it would be the way they were run in the 1994 - 2000 era.


Lee turned down $50 mil to play for the Phils not 10.

It's not straight up Yankees stuff, I'm saying its silly for people (new fans who dont know much) to act like Cliff Lee took a noncompetitive offer to play here. We have a huge payroll and will continue to have a huge payroll, we are going to be thought of as possible destinations for top available free agents, and should be perennial contenders.

It is a great story, even with the contract, we dont need to make it a better story through exaggeration.

[Earlshog]

It's not straight up Yankees stuff, I'm saying its silly for people (new fans who dont know much) to act like Cliff Lee took a noncompetitive offer to play here. We have a huge payroll and will continue to have a huge payroll, we are going to be thought of as possible destinations for top available free agents, and should be perennial contenders.

It is a great story, even with the contract, we dont need to make it a better story through exaggeration.

Yeah that I agree with. The Phils are more like Boston in that sense.

[Snacks]

John Hayman and the fan just reported "Blanton will be traded to Boston. Yanks showed interest but it looks like Boston will get the deal done first."

That was fast!

[El Mudo]

John Hayman and the fan just reported "Blanton will be traded to Boston. Yanks showed interest but it looks like Boston will get the deal done first."

That was fast!

They're trying to dump salary from everything I've seen/read.

[realmenhatelife]

Joe's main selling point was that he ate up a lot of innings, with Halladay and Lee stress on the bullpen becomes much less of a concern, and Hamels was averaging way deeper into games last year.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont know where this $50 million is coming from?

WFAN just reported that the Phills deal is 5 years $120 with the option making it 6 years $135
The Yanks offer was 6 years $138 million with the option year bringing it up to 7 years $154 million. At best its $19 million but also 1 more year of playing. So its actually about the same per year deal. He didnt take much less but he did take a little less to play somewhere he wanted to be rather then be somewhere he doesnt.

I think when your 32 you take the extra year for the extra money but when you are talking that much money its not huge especially if he doesnt want to play more then 6 years anyway!

The offer being reported from the Yankees was 7 years for $160 million. His Phillies deal is $40 million less, thats where its coming from.

And yea, its common sense to realize that at that point it really makes no difference as either way youre set for life, except for one thing...it VERY RARELY HAPPENS. The player almost always jumps at whos offering the most money. Look at Jayson Werth. He was offered $48 million for 3 years. He would never have to worry about money again and had a chance to play for a top contender in a city that loved him. Instead he took even more money that he dont need to play for a garbage team in a city that doesnt give 2 fucks about baseball.

Fuck that, what Cliff Lee did was commendable. He took less money to be play where he wanted to play. And thats just even more of a reason he is gonna be beloved in this town.

[Snacks]

The offer being reported from the Yankees was 7 years for $160 million. His Phillies deal is $40 million less, thats where its coming from.

And yea, its common sense to realize that at that point it really makes no difference as either way youre set for life, except for one thing...it VERY RARELY HAPPENS. The player almost always jumps at whos offering the most money. Look at Jayson Werth. He was offered $48 million for 3 years. He would never have to worry about money again and had a chance to play for a top contender in a city that loved him. Instead he took even more money that he dont need to play for a garbage team in a city that doesnt give 2 fucks about baseball.

Fuck that, what Cliff Lee did was commendable. He took less money to be play where he wanted to play. And thats just even more of a reason he is gonna be beloved in this town.

just read on rotoworld that the deal from philly was 5 years $120 with the 6th year option is for $27.5 million (double what was originally reported) and a buyout for $12.5 million. So basically he signed a 5 year $132.5 or 6 year $147.5. so he actually got more then what the yanks offered. Per year is higher and less years for the money!

The final offer from the yanks was 7 years $150 million. All reported by Rotoworld.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3565

[spoon]

Commendable my ass. He's been on four teams in the last two years bc he WOULDN'T sign at any of those places, including Philly, bc he wanted to get as much as he could. He never had true intentions with NY in my mind. He just used them to drive the market and got a ton of money from a team that he wouldn't sign with less then a year ago. I have no problem with him but this line of reasoning is pure garbage. Along with your take on Werth. Not only did he get a life changing contract, but it gives him a LONG TERM contract while his value is at it's highest. How, HOW can you fault a guy in that? He was nothing but a constant hard worker in Philly and just bc he left you call put HIM down for ONE MOVE. Not to mention DC is virtually a new MLB market doing quite well based on the time there, local competition already doing worse and of course their future. Come on TS, you can't always look at things in such a myopic fashion can you?

[Snacks]

Commendable my ass. He's been on four teams in the last two years bc he WOULDN'T sign at any of those places, including Philly, bc he wanted to get as much as he could. He never had true intentions on NY in my mind. He just used them to drive the market and got a ton of money from a team that he wouldn't sign with less then a year ago. I have no problem with him but this line of reasoning is pure garbage. Along with your take on Werth. Not only did he get a life changing contract, but it gives him a LONG TERM contract while his value is at it's highest. How, HOW can you fault a guy in that? He was nothing but a constant hard worker in Philly and just bc he left you call put HIM down for ONE MOVE. Not to mention DC is virtually a new MLB market doing quite well based on the time there, local competition already doing worse and of course their future. Come on TS, you can't always look at things in such a myopic fashion can you?

you cant fault a guy for taking 2 1/2 times the money he was offered when he already has a title. No one not even philly fans should find fault with Werth. If a team offered you that much money you take it. I think fans care more then players. Players want money first and then a chance to win second. If they have their title then its only about money!

[realmenhatelife]

I think the years were more important to Werth. Look at his pre philly career where he was shifted from team to team just long enough to get hurt. He strikes me as a guy who doesn't want to deal with any of that.

[spoon]

you cant fault a guy for taking 2 1/2 times the money he was offered when he already has a title. No one not even philly fans should find fault with Werth. If a team offered you that much money you take it. I think fans care more then players. Players want money first and then a chance to win second. If they have their title then its only about money!

And you can't have it both ways like most fans do these days as well. I love hearing Knick/Yankee fans such as some radio hosts in the area and locals who claimed LeBron was a coward for not forging his way on what was a perennial shitty NBA team, but in the same breath claim Lee is a pussy bc he didn't come to NY. WHAT?!

Werth not only has a title, he was at many times an afterthought in Philly. In DC he now has a shot to start a new team's identity as it continues to grow and be the leader on the field, possibly play center again (not sure of DC's intentions/overall OF rundown) and be a big clubhouse leader. Basically, be the man and at the same time not move too far, get a HUGE pay increase and you fault that? I guess he couldn't take the Philly pressure right? There is no way fans in DC could love him more bc it's DC?

[spoon]

I think the years were more important to Werth. Look at his pre philly career where he was shifted from team to team just long enough to get hurt. He strikes me as a guy who doesn't want to deal with any of that.

Not to mention this was pretty much his best year and capitalizing on it is smart. The Phils went pitching bc they are close every year. The Nats had more money (obviously) to spend on position players of need, not to mention holes to fill with leadership and vets with the influx of prospects coming soon.

[TripleSkeet]

Commendable my ass. He's been on four teams in the last two years bc he WOULDN'T sign at any of those places, including Philly, bc he wanted to get as much as he could. He never had true intentions with NY in my mind. He just used them to drive the market and got a ton of money from a team that he wouldn't sign with less then a year ago. I have no problem with him but this line of reasoning is pure garbage. Along with your take on Werth. Not only did he get a life changing contract, but it gives him a LONG TERM contract while his value is at it's highest. How, HOW can you fault a guy in that? He was nothing but a constant hard worker in Philly and just bc he left you call put HIM down for ONE MOVE. Not to mention DC is virtually a new MLB market doing quite well based on the time there, local competition already doing worse and of course their future. Come on TS, you can't always look at things in such a myopic fashion can you?

First of all, where was I faulting Jayson Werth? Im not faulting the guy. He got WAY more money then he was worth. I have no problem with him taking the contract. I like Werth. He was just an example that most players go where they are going to get paid the most. Thats why the Yankees usually get the biggest free agents year after year. Because they offer them the most money.

What I was saying is there are guys that will take less money to go to a team and place they like, thats all. And I commend him because thats rare. He was offered $50 million for 3 years to play in Philly. If that was me, Id have taken that deal over the $120 million to go to Washington. Why? Because $50 mill is enough for me, my kids, my grandkids, and most likely my great grandkids to live comfortably for the rest of their life. So at that point I would want to go to the place with the better team that sells out almost every night rather then a shit team that plays half their games to half empty stadiums.

I dont know, to me theres a point with money that you hit that it doesnt matter if you get more or not. If somebody tells you "drink a gallon of water and Ill give you a billion dollars or drink a gallon of piss and Ill give you 2 billion", wouldnt you just drink the water and say who gives a fuck Ive already got more money then Ill ever need?

[TripleSkeet]

Commendable my ass. He's been on four teams in the last two years bc he WOULDN'T sign at any of those places, including Philly, bc he wanted to get as much as he could. He never had true intentions with NY in my mind. He just used them to drive the market and got a ton of money from a team that he wouldn't sign with less then a year ago. I have no problem with him but this line of reasoning is pure garbage. Along with your take on Werth. Not only did he get a life changing contract, but it gives him a LONG TERM contract while his value is at it's highest. How, HOW can you fault a guy in that? He was nothing but a constant hard worker in Philly and just bc he left you call put HIM down for ONE MOVE. Not to mention DC is virtually a new MLB market doing quite well based on the time there, local competition already doing worse and of course their future. Come on TS, you can't always look at things in such a myopic fashion can you?

Also, Cliff Lee wanted to stay in Philly, I think his agent just didnt handle the negotiation process the way he expected. The Phillies offered him a deal, Lees agent came back with a counter offer, and instead of trying to work something out in between the Phils just decided to trade him instead and get Halladay. Lee wasnt expecting that. When ESPN told him he was traded the guy was in complete shock. He even said he planned on finishing his career here. He just didnt realize the Phils werent planning on a back and forth negotiation.

Im glad they didnt because it works out even better this way.

[Barnaby Jones]

http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/filestorage/cliff-lee-new-york-spit-wife-sports-ecards-someecards.png

:clap::clap::clap:

[TripleSkeet]

So far Ive seen the Nativity picture, a 4 headed monster one, Mount Rushmore and others, but this is by far my favorite...and my next sig pic...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4084/pic22044.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/pic22044.jpg/)

[Furtherman]

I'm sorry, but that is GAY.

[spoon]

I'm sorry, but that is GAY.

JUSTTTTT the way ts like it.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm sorry, but that is GAY.

Blasphemy!!!!

[realmenhatelife]

So we owe the Cliff Lee deal in part to Steven Starr. Barclay Prime is Mrs. Lees favorite restaurant, and its being said that her list of Pros and Cons for each city was one of the factors that helped him decide where to sign.


Also, you have to imagine, Jaime Moyer. She said the atmosphere in the family room at the park was really great. Aside from having 90 kids I've seen footage of Jaime Moyer, in his uniform, crawling around on all fours in the family room playing with other peoples kids. Awesome guy.

Also, Cliff likes his at bats.

[Earlshog]

So we owe the Cliff Lee deal in part to Steven Starr. Barclay Prime is Mrs. Lees favorite restaurant, and its being said that her list of Pros and Cons for each city was one of the factors that helped him decide where to sign.


Also, you have to imagine, Jaime Moyer. She said the atmosphere in the family room at the park was really great. Aside from having 90 kids I've seen footage of Jaime Moyer, in his uniform, crawling around on all fours in the family room playing with other peoples kids. Awesome guy.

Also, Cliff likes his at bats.

I Work with a guy that is friends with Jamie Moyer who said the whole wife getting spit at by Yankee fans in the playoffs was the killer.

[cougarjake13]

at the end of the day they got lee and halladay for whatever prospects they gave up in the deal to get halladay

[spoon]

at the end of the day they got lee and halladay for whatever prospects they gave up in the deal to get halladay

Well...

[spoon]

at the end of the day they got lee and halladay for whatever prospects they gave up in the deal to get halladay

...a whole lot of money too.

Oh and don't forget the prospects originally sent the other way when they first acquired Lee, minus the shitty prospects they got from Seattle when shipped out.

[TripleSkeet]

This made me laugh...
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[spoon]

Yes exactly, Cliff Lee is the good guy simply bc he came to Philly. Just a regular volunteer/philanthropist with that small contract. If you think Werth should have and would have signed for 3/45 versus what he got, especially since he never really got paid yet and has a WS, YOU ARE MAD.

[TripleSkeet]

Yes exactly, Cliff Lee is the good guy simply bc he came to Philly. Just a regular volunteer/philanthropist with that small contract. If you think Werth should have and would have signed for 3/45 versus what he got, especially since he never really got paid yet and has a WS, YOU ARE MAD.

For the 10th time, I have no fault with Jayson Werth did. None. That video made me laugh because when Werth found out the Phillies signed Cliff Lee he was noticeably pissed off. I can understand why. Because he felt the Phillies had the money to spend and didnt offer him that kind of money but then gave it to Lee. But the bottom line is the Phils gave Lee that money because they hold a legitimate ace in higher regard then a right handed power hitting outfielder. And I cant fault the Phillies because I feel Werth is getting way more money then hes worth in Washington.

I said me as a person would take $70 million less to stay with a better team, guys I know and like, and in a city where I get treated by a king. Yes I asbolutely would. Because if Ive got $50 million dollars, offering me $120 million is like offering me $100 billion. It doesnt matter because its more money then Ill ever need. But thats just me.

As a bartender I used to have other guys I worked with tell me I was crazy for taking off on Spring Break to take trips to Florida and Cancun, or take off on New Years Eve to go to parties, or take off Labor Day weekend to go down the shore with my friends. They would remind me how much money I was giving up, but I didnt care. All the money in the world means dick if you arent enjoying your life.

[Snacks]

For the 10th time, I have no fault with Jayson Werth did. None. That video made me laugh because when Werth found out the Phillies signed Cliff Lee he was noticeably pissed off. I can understand why. Because he felt the Phillies had the money to spend and didnt offer him that kind of money but then gave it to Lee. But the bottom line is the Phils gave Lee that money because they hold a legitimate ace in higher regard then a right handed power hitting outfielder. And I cant fault the Phillies because I feel Werth is getting way more money then hes worth in Washington.

I said me as a person would take $70 million less to stay with a better team, guys I know and like, and in a city where I get treated by a king. Yes I asbolutely would. Because if Ive got $50 million dollars, offering me $120 million is like offering me $100 billion. It doesnt matter because its more money then Ill ever need. But thats just me.

As a bartender I used to have other guys I worked with tell me I was crazy for taking off on Spring Break to take trips to Florida and Cancun, or take off on New Years Eve to go to parties, or take off Labor Day weekend to go down the shore with my friends. They would remind me how much money I was giving up, but I didnt care. All the money in the world means dick if you arent enjoying your life.

It always makes me laugh when people say stuff like that. "I would take $70 million less" yeah bullshit, your saying that as a fan. If you were and anyone else who says that was in that situation you would take the money that was 2 1/2 times what you say you were offered. The problem is to you $50 million is a lot because your not used to or around others making that kind of money. Its a game to them and they all are trying to make more then the next guy. Everyone wants to make more. Most people if not all would leave any job they are at for the chance to make triple the money. Money makes life easier and struggling makes it harder. You can be as happy as you want. But when your 65 and still working like a dog because you went on an extra vacation then great. I would rather make as much as I could and retire at 50 and enjoy my old years. Lets be honest most people enjoy themselves and I for one took off for Holiday weekends to party down the shore and vegas. But when I was in HS. Once I was working in the clubs I wouldnt take off a holiday weekend EVER. For one I was the manager and had to be there, 2) working in a club is getting paid to have fun. 3) If I went to cancun or wherever, I would be at the beach/pool during the day and at the club at night so why not get paid to do the same shit and be in a place where you are in control rather then being some everyday slob regular customer?

Maybe you look at going out different then me. But when I was in the club business I would during the week from time to time go to other clubs with my staff on nights we were closed to have a good time. But after living that lifestyle you get bored with going to them and even if you do its very hard to go from working in a club to now be an everyday joe schmo just hanging out at one! Very tough to change your mindset that your there to relax rather then work and have fun!

[TripleSkeet]

It always makes me laugh when people say stuff like that. "I would take $70 million less" yeah bullshit, your saying that as a fan. If you were and anyone else who says that was in that situation you would take the money that was 2 1/2 times what you say you were offered. The problem is to you $50 million is a lot because your not used to or around others making that kind of money. Its a game to them and they all are trying to make more then the next guy. Everyone wants to make more. Most people if not all would leave any job they are at for the chance to make triple the money. Money makes life easier and struggling makes it harder. You can be as happy as you want. But when your 65 and still working like a dog because you went on an extra vacation then great. I would rather make as much as I could and retire at 50 and enjoy my old years. Lets be honest most people enjoy themselves and I for one took off for Holiday weekends to party down the shore and vegas. But when I was in HS. Once I was working in the clubs I wouldnt take off a holiday weekend EVER. For one I was the manager and had to be there, 2) working in a club is getting paid to have fun. 3) If I went to cancun or wherever, I would be at the beach/pool during the day and at the club at night so why not get paid to do the same shit and be in a place where you are in control rather then being some everyday slob regular customer?

Maybe you look at going out different then me. But when I was in the club business I would during the week from time to time go to other clubs with my staff on nights we were closed to have a good time. But after living that lifestyle you get bored with going to them and even if you do its very hard to go from working in a club to now be an everyday joe schmo just hanging out at one! Very tough to change your mindset that your there to relax rather then work and have fun!

I agree with you that most guys would take the biggest money deal. I actually said that in an earlier post. But not every guy. And thats the way I am. Maybe because I dont need ridiculously extravagant things or because I never had much growing up, but if I couldnt live happily and comfortably for the rest of my life on $50 million, then I dont deserve that money. I absolutely would turn down the bigger money if it meant I could stay somewhere I like. Hell Ive already done that in regular work. I mean it was millions of dollars but Ive been offered more money to change day jobs, but I love my job and I dont want to leave.

As far as work goes, you sound just like my cousin. He had the whole retire at 50 mindset. I had a different point of view. Growing up we all used to hang out at corner hangouts where we would shoot pool and the old men would play cards. Id talk to those guys sometimes and they would all say the same thing. "Enjoy life while your young. Dont get tied down. Go out and do all the things you want to while youre young enough to enjoy it, because you never know how long your gonna be here." I took that to heart.

Now I always worked, and yes working in some clubs can be fun but where I worked it wasnt nearly as fun as going out. I just felt Id rather work less and party and travel more as a young guy and work til Im 70 then work my balls off now and retire when Im 50. What if you have a heart attack and die at 51? Wouldnt you kick yourself in the ass?

[epo]

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[TripleSkeet]

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[cougarjake13]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

im a mets fan


and that was hilarious

[TripleSkeet]

Well that was a helluva way to start opening day. Im still recovering.

Can I get a thread name change from a mod when they have a chance please?

[A.J.]

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I love The Onion -- but that could be a true story.

[TripleSkeet]

17 K's and 0 walks for Halladay and Lee combined this weekend. Not bad.

[TripleSkeet]

Guess Im the only one left on the board. Thats ok. 5-1 looks really nice from here.

[Earlshog]

I'm with ya! Hotlanta this weekend. Would be nice to set the tone for the season.

[PigShitIrish]

I'm still here too..........lurking.

[cougarjake13]

I'm still here too..........lurking.

u dirty lurker

[Earlshog]

No Chase Utley and no Jayson Werth or Domonic Brown? No problem. The Phillies aren't just winning games with an improvised lineup, they're still crushing the baseball. Philadelphia, which sports baseball's oldest lineup (average age is 32.2), is the only team batting better than .300, and they're hitting .318. Six of their eight everyday players are batting above .325. This year's edition of the Phillies have hit only nine homers and are more apt to string together a rally off a series of singles -- check their ninth-inning rally Opening Day -- than go yard back-to-back but with that pitching staff it's been enough for now.

[realmenhatelife]

No Chase Utley and no Jayson Werth or Domonic Brown? No problem. The Phillies aren't just winning games with an improvised lineup, they're still crushing the baseball. Philadelphia, which sports baseball's oldest lineup (average age is 32.2), is the only team batting better than .300, and they're hitting .318. Six of their eight everyday players are batting above .325. This year's edition of the Phillies have hit only nine homers and are more apt to string together a rally off a series of singles -- check their ninth-inning rally Opening Day -- than go yard back-to-back but with that pitching staff it's been enough for now.

I like that they've been able to hit for average, I like that they've been able to get guys over with less than two outs, and I'm as optomistic as anyone about where the season is going, but dont forget how streaky their hitting is, they still dont swing the bat for cole, they're still relatively healthy, and its real real early.

[Earlshog]

Tonight on MLB network


Milwaukee Brewers at Philadelphia Phillies or New York Yankees at Toronto Blue Jays (subject to blackout in local areas)

[Earlshog]

Phillies INF Wilson Valdez entered Wednesday's game against the Reds with three hits in last four games, but he was able to notch three in the win. But that wasn't the story. In the 19th inning of the six-plus hour game, Valdez entered with the ball in his hands on defense. He pitched a scoreless frame and got out the heart of the order in the process. The first batter he faced was Joey Votto. "If he hits a home run, they're not going to say anything to me," said Valdez, laughing. The second baseman got him to fly out. Valdez earned the win on the night's work.

[Furtherman]

A friend of mine was listening to the game on the way to work last night and sent me some of the banter between Kransky and Anderson:

-Kransky in the 15th inning "Harry would have loved this"
-L.A. "Well if this doesn't end soon we'll be watching it with him"

In the 16th inning Baez comes up to bat for the something like the 3rd time in 10 years

-Kransky - "Look, he put the wrong helmet on. The ear flap is on the wrong side"
-L.A. - "Not that it matters"

Later in the at bat, Baez breaks his bat

-Kransky - "I think just broke his bat"
-L.A. - "He broke A bat, he hasn't owned a bat since Little League"

That led into a story about L.A. hitting a grand slam in Little League….

-L.A. "When I hit that grand slam in Little League I knew then and there I wanted to be a fireman when Igrew up. Look at me now!"

18th inning, home plate umpire calls time because he got something in his eye

- Kransky - "Randazzo calls time, looks like he's got something in his eye"
-L.A. - "Well it's not the strike zone. Actually he's probably had that debris in there since the 1st inning. Either that or it's Chooch's mask. If he gets any closer to Chooch they'll have to exchange nuptuals.

Top 19th

-Kransky "We gotta a lot of fans hanging on here. Must be about 8 or 9 thousand left."
L.A. - "Yeah, looks like a Marlins playoff game. Give or take a few."

[realmenhatelife]

Thats really funny. Baez threw something like 75 pitches, dudes gonna go on the DL, I feel like he got into 10 games last year and they just brought him in to keep Contreras company.

[cougarjake13]

A friend of mine was listening to the game on the way to work last night and sent me some of the banter between Kransky and Anderson:

fucking awesome

[Earlshog]

Cliff Lee back to back shutouts! Best record in baseball!

[cougarjake13]

Cliff Lee back to back shutouts! Best record in baseball!

gonna be hard pressed to find anyone in nat'l league to prevent the phils from makin it back to world series ... unless injuries get em

[Earlshog]

a hundo!

Id like to avoid St Louis they are hot as balls!

[cougarjake13]

wow betw u and triple skeet it shouldnt have been 3 months between posts in here