1 reason why you wont support a politician [Archive]

WRESTLINGFAN

11-09-2009, 09:50 AM

Hottub

11-09-2009, 09:52 AM

epo

foodcourtdruide

11-09-2009, 09:59 AM

There is no perfect politician out there or one that we agree with every single issue out there. Is there 1 reason that will prevent you from voting for a person?

For me anyone regardless of party affiliation who supports open borders and amnesty or pandering to illegal immigration they wont get my vote

I guess I'm your polar opposite. For me, it's anyone that insinuates that all problems can be traced back to illegal immigrants.

SatCam

11-09-2009, 09:59 AM

if theyre a woman

KingModem

11-09-2009, 10:01 AM

Because they are a politician.

topless_mike

11-09-2009, 10:27 AM

epo

dam you.

i wont support a politician that blindly goes along with his party like a sheep.
use your fuckin head, man.

i also wont support any politician sporting a fu-manchu.

boosterp

11-09-2009, 10:35 AM

Big business.

KnoxHarrington

11-09-2009, 11:01 AM

I won't support any politician who suggests in any way that morality can and should be legislated.

Ritalin

11-09-2009, 12:27 PM

Evolution.

beachbum

11-09-2009, 02:15 PM

If Wrestlingfan supports them.

Dude!

11-09-2009, 02:18 PM

if someone has a jewish
or moslem name
i'd vote against them

except for Lieberman
he's my hero

GregoryJoseph

11-09-2009, 02:18 PM

If they actively sought the office.

high fly

11-09-2009, 02:22 PM

TheMojoPin

11-09-2009, 09:15 PM

If they actively sought the office.

Can you for once please have a political post here that is grounded in even just a shred of reality?

GregoryJoseph

11-10-2009, 02:40 AM

Whose reality?

LordJezo

11-10-2009, 07:43 AM

Anyone who's a Democrat.

WampusCrandle

11-10-2009, 07:45 AM

specifically, this asshole:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ourtown/011809mrsmith.jpg

TheMojoPin

11-10-2009, 07:49 AM

Whose reality?

This one.

It's a stupid, stupid idea and you have a stupid, stupid gimmick.

Donnie Iris

11-10-2009, 08:21 AM

If Wrestlingfan supports them.

beat me to it

WRESTLINGFAN

11-10-2009, 08:26 AM

If their last name is Kennedy and are from Massachusetts

hydee

11-10-2009, 08:27 AM

There is no perfect politician out there or one that we agree with every single issue out there. Is there 1 reason that will prevent you from voting for a person?

For me anyone regardless of party affiliation who supports open borders and amnesty or pandering to illegal immigration they wont get my vote

I have two hot button issues. First if the candidate is pro life he/she can suck it. Keep your hands and gov't away from my body and my choice.

If they are anti-legalization of marijuana they can suck it for the same reason.

Dougie Brootal

11-10-2009, 09:13 AM

if they are overly religious, or oppose abortion and/or stem cell research.

Dude!

11-10-2009, 10:33 AM

underdog

11-10-2009, 10:48 AM

a fetus is someone else's body
sorry

Technically, it's still part of the mother's body.

Dude!

11-10-2009, 10:54 AM

Technically, it's still part of the mother's body.

no it's a separate thing
it depends on the mother's body
for support, but it is not the mother's body

if you have a tick attached
to your arm and sucking out
the blood, it depends on you for life
but it is not you

underdog

11-10-2009, 10:58 AM

no it's a separate thing
it depends on the mother's body
for support, but it is not the mother's body

if you have a tick attached
to your arm and sucking out
the blood, it depends on you for life
but it is not you

But a tick can survive without you. A first trimester baby isn't surviving without it's mother.

topless_mike

11-10-2009, 11:11 AM

DO NOT TURN THIS INTO AN ABORTION DEBATE.
Not the thread for it.

underdog

11-10-2009, 11:26 AM

DO NOT TURN THIS INTO AN ABORTION DEBATE.
Not the thread for it.

Every thread is.

Marc with a c

11-10-2009, 11:29 AM

Every thread is.

not every thread. only ones that make it at least three pages.

hydee

11-10-2009, 11:31 AM

a fetus is someone else's body
sorry

Dude, go to a protest, you aren't going to change my mind about this.

Dude!

11-10-2009, 12:42 PM

But a tick can survive without you. A first trimester baby isn't surviving without it's mother.

no it can't
when it is pulled off
its awful mouth is destroyed
and it can no longer eat and dies

Dude!

11-10-2009, 12:46 PM

Dude, go to a protest, you aren't going to change my mind about this.

i know that
our bodies, our selves
i am woman
and all that clap-trap

(hey..that's a good nickname
for a woman...
clap-trap!)

mikeyboy

11-10-2009, 12:47 PM

no it can't
when it is pulled off
its awful mouth is destroyed
and it can no longer eat and dies

Worst dissection of an analogy ever.

Dude!

11-10-2009, 12:48 PM

Worst dissection of an analogy ever.

it's over your head

mikeyboy

11-10-2009, 12:49 PM

it's over your head

No, it's not.

Marc with a c

11-10-2009, 12:56 PM

No, it's not.

yes it is.

mikeyboy

11-10-2009, 01:51 PM

yes it is.

Stop empowering your stalker.

JohnCharles

11-10-2009, 01:58 PM

The car they drive.

GregoryJoseph

11-10-2009, 01:59 PM

This one.

It's a stupid, stupid idea and you have a stupid, stupid gimmick.

I have no "gimmick," merely a lot more wisdom and life experience than you.

Perhaps one day you'll understand and be embarrassed (and perhaps even ashamed) at the views you now hold.

Bob Impact

11-10-2009, 02:11 PM

It's not one particular thing with me, but any talk whatsoever about "redistribution of wealth" immediately and irrevocably turns me away. Obama lost me with Joe the plumber.

Ocho Cinco

11-10-2009, 02:37 PM

I have two hot button issues. First if the candidate is pro life he/she can suck it. Keep your hands and gov't away from my body and my choice.

If they are anti-legalization of marijuana they can suck it for the same reason.

Wow, i swear i was gonna say the exact same thing but you beat me too it, including the suck it. and you have a calvin and hobbes pic with a fight club quote... possible best post ever.

oh, and i find as long as Dude! disagrees with what i believe in i feel good about my decision. once he starts agreeing w/ me then i know i'm in trouble. please tell me dude hates LOST and Beck as well, i just want to confirm that both those things are still awesome

Dude!

11-10-2009, 02:45 PM

Wow, i swear i was gonna say the exact same thing but you beat me too it, including the suck it. and you have a calvin and hobbes pic with a fight club quote... possible best post ever.

oh, and i find as long as Dude! disagrees with what i believe in i feel good about my decision. once he starts agreeing w/ me then i know i'm in trouble. please tell me dude hates LOST and Beck as well, i just want to confirm that both those things are still awesome

I agree with you 100%
we just need to change
hydee's post a tad:

Originally Posted by hydee
I have two hot button issues. First if the candidate is pro life he/she can suck the baby right out of my womb.

that would be the best post ever

boosterp

11-10-2009, 02:48 PM

It's not one particular thing with me, but any talk whatsoever about "redistribution of wealth" immediately and irrevocably turns me away. Obama lost me with Joe the plumber.

That too.

sailor

11-10-2009, 02:58 PM

underdog

11-10-2009, 03:01 PM

It's not one particular thing with me, but any talk whatsoever about "redistribution of wealth" immediately and irrevocably turns me away. Obama lost me with Joe the plumber.

Wasn't Joe the Plumber with McCain?

sailor

11-10-2009, 03:04 PM

Wasn't Joe the Plumber with McCain?

he posed a question to obama at some political stop. later mccain used him due to the heat he'd received.

Bob Impact

11-10-2009, 03:04 PM

Wasn't Joe the Plumber with McCain?

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epo

11-10-2009, 03:14 PM

not every thread. only ones that make it at least three pages.

Keep it up fatty.

epo

11-10-2009, 03:15 PM

JohnCharles

11-10-2009, 03:15 PM

If epo backed them.

Man, I hope he can't read this.

I am planning on a campaign in 4 years.

razorboy

11-10-2009, 03:18 PM

Apathy.

high fly

11-10-2009, 03:22 PM

Tyhere are a lot of politicians I think are worth voting for simply because they are slick enough to get people to debate and vote contrary to their own interests. Like when they get the middle class to support tax cuts for the rich, even though the middle class will have to make up the difference.....

TheMojoPin

11-10-2009, 07:55 PM

I have no "gimmick," merely a lot more wisdom and life experience than you.

Perhaps one day you'll understand and be embarrassed (and perhaps even ashamed) at the views you now hold.

The only way I get to a point where I think a democratic republic can exist without people seeking elected office is if I start drinking a bottle of Drano a day instead of slowly poisoning Dude with it.

I'd love to see you explain your ludicrous politicals ideas for once when called out on them...but you won't because you're saying ridiculous things to get attention.

Serpico1103

11-10-2009, 08:17 PM

boosterp

11-11-2009, 03:12 PM

I never watched the whole video, just read about it and accepted that Joe was an ass.
Having watched it, I am confused at how this was a big deal.

Joe claimed(lied) that he was going to buy a business with revenue of 250, 270 or 280.
Obama told him that his marginal tax rate for over 250 would go up 3%. So, Joe's taxes would go up an astonishing 0, 600, or 900 dollars respectively. WOW!
And then Obama explained that the plan actually helps the American dream, by allowing people to save more money; so they can buy their small business sooner.

I don't see how this spiraled into such a story.

Simple, the guy was a republican and had been. Once the McCain party saw that they latched on to ol Joe. It was not a set up, just well timed.

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 03:16 PM

Simple, the guy was a republican and had been. Once the McCain party saw that they latched on to ol Joe. It was not a set up, just well timed.

I mean it seemed like a non-issue. Obama told him that for every $10K over $250K he would have to pay an additional $300 in taxes. Not exactly a game changer.
Also, Obama explained to him that if Obama's plan had been in place earlier it would have helped Joe achieve his "american dream" sooner.
Sorry, I just see the interaction as a win for Obama. But, I guess the liberal media spin turned it into something it was not.

boosterp

11-11-2009, 03:19 PM

I mean it seemed like a non-issue. Obama told him that for every $10K over $250K he would have to pay an additional $300 in taxes. Not exactly a game changer.
Also, Obama explained to him that if Obama's plan had been in place earlier it would have helped Joe achieve his "american dream" sooner.
Sorry, I just see the interaction as a win for Obama. But, I guess the liberal media spin turned it into something it was not.

es, but the issue was that that is in addition to the taxes paid up to or aat $250k which were capped but I forgot the figure.

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 03:28 PM

es, but the issue was that that is in addition to the taxes paid up to or aat $250k which were capped but I forgot the figure.

Yes, he was changing the tax rate for over $250K from 36% to 39%. An increase of 3%, or $30 for every $1000. Not a giant increase, especially when you consider it is only for money over $250K.
For a large part of our history we have had 70-90% income tax brackets. So, while Republicans like to say that high tax rates smother economic growth, it is a LIE!
The data in fact supports that a high tax rate creates growth, not the other way around.
I am not claiming that it does, merely that the correlation between a high tax rate and stunting economic growth is a LIE too many people buy.

boosterp

11-11-2009, 04:05 PM

Yes, he was changing the tax rate for over $250K from 36% to 39%. An increase of 3%, or $30 for every $1000. Not a giant increase, especially when you consider it is only for money over $250K.
For a large part of our history we have had 70-90% income tax brackets. So, while Republicans like to say that high tax rates smother economic growth, it is a LIE!
The data in fact supports that a high tax rate creates growth, not the other way around.
I am not claiming that it does, merely that the correlation between a high tax rate and stunting economic growth is a LIE too many people buy.

Well, you are also thinking individual taxed and what Joe was talking about is business tax. That does make a difference in the bottom line. Also, I agree the Repubs over inflate the tax woes.

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Well, you are also thinking individual taxed and what Joe was talking about is business tax. That does make a difference in the bottom line. Also, I agree the Repubs over inflate the tax woes.

I think he was talking about his personal income tax as a small business owner. Depending on how you structure your small business you may pay personal taxes instead of the business paying taxes on your income.
Either way, it was a perfect example of a lower to middle class person thinking that the tax rate would effect him. When it would not. Unfortunately, too many people like to think they are wealthy because they can lease, rent, finance or mortgage things. That is not wealth.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 07:09 PM

I think he was talking about his personal income tax as a small business owner. Depending on how you structure your small business you may pay personal taxes instead of the business paying taxes on your income.
Either way, it was a perfect example of a lower to middle class person thinking that the tax rate would effect him. When it would not. Unfortunately, too many people like to think they are wealthy because they can lease, rent, finance or mortgage things. That is not wealth.

If the tax rate goes up to 39.5% That means the rich will find more ways to shelter their money. Its the middle class thats going to pay

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 07:18 PM

If the tax rate goes up to 39.5% That means the rich will find more ways to shelter their money. Its the middle class thats going to pay

So, a rich person isn't already using every available tax shelter? They are waiting until the marginal tax rate goes up 3%. Yeah, those are smart rich people.
I know that is the Fox news quick answer, but it is idiotic.
Raise the tax rate to 90%. Let the rich "hide" their money. Then the IRS can seize all their assets and redistribute them. Now that is a plan.

Wealthy people already get away with a low capital gains rate. Increase the capital gain rate back to equal with the income rate.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 07:19 PM

So, a rich person isn't already using every available tax shelter? They are waiting until the marginal tax rate goes up 3%. Yeah, those are smart rich people.
I know that is the Fox news quick answer, but it is idiotic.
Raise the tax rate to 90%. Let the rich "hide" their money. Then the IRS can seize all their assets and redistribute them. Now that is a plan.

Wealthy people already get away with a low capital gains rate. Increase the capital gain rate back to equal with the income rate.

Are you a disgruntled ex employee of Newscorp? Rich people want to hide and hold onto as much as their money as they can whether the rate goes up 3 percentage points or 40 pts

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 07:26 PM

Are you a disgruntled ex employee of Newscorp? Rich people want to hide and hold onto as much as their money as they can whether the rate goes up 3 percentage points or 40 pts

I know. So, your post makes no sense.
You said that if the tax rate goes up rich people will hide their money. But, they are already hiding their money, so how does raising the tax rate change that?

Everyone should be sheltering their income in every way possible to avoid being unnecessary taxes. The tax code is built that way to incentivize certain behavior; buying a house, long term investment, IRAs, 401Ks, etc.

And, if your statement was true, shouldn't rich people be pushing for more taxes. So, that only the poor wage earners would be caught paying it.

It is a 3% marginal tax rate increase. Not a 3% increase, a big difference.

CofyCrakCocaine

11-11-2009, 07:28 PM

I suppose if a politician raped and/or fucked my bride and Iron Mike'd and/or ate my childrens, I would not vote for the guy, by Golly.

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 07:32 PM

I suppose if a politician raped and/or fucked my bride and Iron Mike'd and/or ate my childrens, I would not vote for the guy, by Golly.

So, if he had sex with your bride or ate your children, you would be ok with that?