WRESTLINGFAN Thinks Nazism Is a Left Wing Ideology

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Shut up.

After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

[hanso]

So left wing that it tried to rule the world.

[underdog]

After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

Exactly.

[TheMojoPin]

what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

Fascism is the extreme far Right ideology.

[epo]

however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

Nazism is left wing ideology?

Congrats sir, you've just qualified for dumbest post of the year!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nazism is left wing ideology?

Congrats sir, you've just qualified for dumbest post of the year!

Nazism=National Socialism

Gun Control, Environmentalism, Censorship of opposing views, profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises, desire for a peoples army, elimination of non work income,

Heres more

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

[epo]

Nazism=National Socialism

Gun Control, Environmentalism, Censorship of opposing views, profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises, desire for a peoples army, elimination of non work income,

Heres more

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

Holy crap are you historically retarded about the political spectrum.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Holy crap are you historically retarded about the political spectrum.

Im not even going to waste my time with that asinine comment, you just don't get it

[epo]

Im not even going to waste my time with that asinine comment, you just don't get it

Your revisionist history on the Nazi Party isn't gonna play with me.

They were one of the most right-wing organizations our planet has ever seen.

[TheMojoPin]

Im not even going to waste my time with that asinine comment, you just don't get it

WF, seriously, arguing that the Nazis weren't obviously fascists is absolutely ridiculous.

You're really kicking the legs out from under your credibility with this one if you stand by it.

Cherrypicking Hitler's rhetoric to back up your point is a terrible route to take here. What matters is not selective quotes, but what as actually put into practice. Almost any historian and political scientist worth their salt will unequivocally conclude that the Nazis and their regime was fascist, not socialist. Actual socialists, on the Left end of the spectrum, were considered to be Bolsheviks/communists/Soviets and were treated as the enemies of the Reich. Hitler's claim of being a socialist, and the name "National Socialists," does not match up with the accepted definition of actual socialists. He was basically trying to "take it back" and lump in actual socialism in with communism.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF, seriously, arguing that the Nazis weren't obviously fascists is absolutely ridiculous.

You're really kicking the legs out from under your credibility with this one if you stand by it.

Cherrypicking Hitler's rhetoric to back up your point is a terrible route to take here. What matters is not selective quotes, but what as actually put into practice. Almost any historian and political scientist worth their salt will unequivocally conclude that the Nazis and their regime was fascist, not socialist. Actual socialists, on the Left end of the spectrum, were considered to be Bolsheviks/communists/Soviets and were treated as the enemies of the Reich.

No one ever said that the 3rd Reichs symbol was the hammer and sickle

Im not disagreeing that in WW2 Moscow and Berlin were bitter enemies, but to say that Hitler did not have any left wing philosophies is naive and trying to hide facts

[TheMojoPin]

Im not disagreeing that in WW2 Moscow and Berlin were bitter enemies, but to say that Hitler did not have any left wing philosophies is naive and trying to hide facts

I did not say that. You'd be hard pressed to find any regime that is only to the Right or the Left. That said, the vast majority of the Nazis political ideologies and philosophies fell to the extreme Right, hence fascism, which is the ultimate outcome on the Right end of the political spectrum, just as communism is the ultimate outcome on the Left end of the Spectrum.

[angrymissy]

After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

Many people fail to realize that because it is incorrect. I learned the difference between Socialism and Fascism in the 9th Grade, but it seems no one else remembers.

[angrymissy]

Im not even going to waste my time with that asinine comment, you just don't get it

Holy crap. Please do some basic reading on WW2. Like I said before, you are 100% wrong. I really hope you're not just repeating what you heard a cable news guy say.

Nazis are Fascists, not Socialists.

[epo]

Holy crap. Please do some basic reading on WW2. Like I said before, you are 100% wrong. I really hope you're not just repeating what you heard a cable news guy say.

Nazis were Fascists.

He probably read the shitty article that Jonah Goldberg wrote this summer making his exact points.

Historical illiterates.

[EliSnow]

He probably read the shitty article that Jonah Goldberg wrote this summer making his exact points.

Historical illiterates.

I thought you were going to stay out of this thread?

[Serpico1103]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler



Nazis are Fascists, not Socialists.

So, Hitler was a liar? How dare you!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He probably read the shitty article that Jonah Goldberg wrote this summer making his exact points.

Historical illiterates.

Read what I posted!!!!! I never said that Hitler was a communist. Nice try of trying to twist things though

[high fly]

Nazism=National Socialism

Gun Control, Environmentalism, Censorship of opposing views, profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises, desire for a peoples army, elimination of non work income,

Heres more

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler


Unbelievable.
This is what happens when someone gets one book by one biased author and thinks they know the subject cold.


1) The name of the party. Political labels do not automatically indicate ideology - sometime check out the kind of government the German Democratic Republic was.

2) If you had read any history at all instead of reading from that right-wing book, you would discover the Nazis started out fighting the Socialists in the streets, not finding common ground with them.

3) The Nazis were seen as being on the right of the political spectrum by other conservatives of the day in other countries, including America, and were seen as a threat, not an ally, of socialists and far leftists of the day. They were seen as a "bulwark against communism," not as ideological cousins.

4) The Nazis were pro-death penalty.

5) The Nazis were anti contraception.

6) The Nazis were anti-union.

7) The Nazis were for "famly values" - their motto was Kinder, Kirche, Kuche – children, church and kitchen for women.

8) The Nazis were against abortion.

9) The Nazis persecuted gays.

10) The Nazis were against women's rights and feminist groups.

11) The Nazis were suspicious of and persecuted immigrants and minorities.

12) The Nazis loved their military parades, martial music, appeals to patriotism, and traditional respect for authority at the expense of individualism with everything swaddled in flags everywhere you looked.

13) After the war in the late 40s when Nazis were put on trial, it was conservative Germans, not liberals, who argued against imposing the death penalty on Nazis.

14) In the Spanish Civil War, the Nazis supported hose on the right side of the politcal spetrum and opposed the socialists on the left.

15) After Germany defeate france, the Nazis rounded up the leftist politicians and put those on the right side of the political spectrum in power.

16) Once Hitler got power in the Reichstag, he got rid of the Socialists, famously announcing, "And now I have no further need of you"

17) Authors of the time who were there and whom we regard today as authoritative, such as Winston Churchill and William L. Shirier placed the Nazis on the right of the political spectrum

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres how Mussolini another FASCIST had left wing tendencies. But yet everyone wants to discredit facts.

Against abortion really?

http://www.ktk.ru/~cm/nazisex.htm


http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id8.html

[high fly]

Read what I posted!!!!! I never said that Hitler was a communist. Nice try of trying to twist things though



“One soon became aware, to be sure, that in the background there lurked the terror of the Gestapo and the fear of the concentration camp for those who got too far out of line or who had been Communists or Socialists or too liberal or pacifist or who were Jews.” - 20TH CENTURY JOURNEY A Memoir of a Life and the Times: Volume II The Nightmare Years 1930-1940, by William L. Shirer (Bantam, 1985), p. 147


“Next to Hitler, Goring was the most popular Nazi leader in the country and the most powerful. As prime minister and minister of the interior of Prussia, he had a great deal of power in the most important and largest part of Germany. He had control of the Prussian [190] police and of most of the rest of the government apparatus. He set up the Gestapo, the secret police to terrorize any lurking opposition and founded the concentration camps in which to incarcerate any who defied the Nazi authority or who were Communists, Socialists, liberals, pacifists, and/or Jews.” 20th CENTURY JOURNEY, p. 189-190


In the early 1900s before WWI, “…. – beside the bourgeois Radicals and moderate Republicans who dominated the government – were the conservatives and the remnants of the once powerful monarchist Right. As the new century opened they began still another comeback, at least in spirit if not in political force. They embraced a new, raucous authoritarian and chauvinistic nationalism that, ironically enough, helped to strengthen France in the First World War but, losing sight of the true national interests in the weird confusion of the 1930s, would help to sap her strength until there was not enough left to assure the Republic’s survival at a moment of adversity. Like the labor movement, this new nationalism was antidemocratic and anti-parlementaire and looked toward the eventual overthrow of the bourgeois regime. It was also anti-intellectual, glorifying naked force, disdaining reason, contemptuous of the critical spirit of free inquiry which the eighteenth-century philosophers had made one of the glories of France. And it was violently anti-Semitic.
The seeds of Fascism, in truth, were sown at this time – earlier than is generally recognized and in this unexpected place. In France at the turn of the century, as in Italy and Germany a quarter century later, the soil was not exactly unfertile for their germination.” - p. 91
THE COLLAPSE OF THE THIRD REPUBLIC An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940, by William L. Shirer (Simon & Schuster 1969)

In late 1931, “Could he [Chancellor Bruening] then induce the aged Marshal Hindenburg, if and when reelected, to act for his last term of office as regent for a restored monarchy to come into effect upon his death? This policy, if achieved, would have filled the void at the summit of the German nation towards which Hitler was now evidently making his way. In all the circumstances this was the right course. But how could Bruening lead Germany to it? The conservative element, which was drifting to Hitler, might have been recalled to the restoration of Kaiser Wilhelm; but neither the Social Democrats nor the trade-union forces would tolerate the restoration of the old Kaiser or the Crown Prince.”
- Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, p. 63

In early 1933 “But there were still many forces in Germany reluctant, obstinate, or actively hostile to Hitlerism. The Communists, and many who in their perplexity and distress voted with them, obtained 81 seats; the Socialists 118; and the Nationalists of Papen and Hugenberg 52. Against these Hitler secured a Nazi vote of 17,300,000 votes with 288 seats. Thus, and thus only, did Hitler obtain by hook and by crook a majority vote from the German people. He had 288 against the other parties numbering 251; a majority of 37 only…
On March 24 [1933] the majority of the Reichstag, overbearing or overaweing all opponents, confirmed by 441 votes to 94 complete emergency powers to Chancellor Hitler for four years. As the result was announced, Hitler turned to the benches of the Socialists and cried, “And now I have no further need of you.” ”
- Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, p. 70

[SonOfSmeagol]

Hey - good stuff! In the battle of the sick titans, got anything on all them left-wing communists and their vast contributions to the world, say, during the 20th century?

[epo]

Read what I posted!!!!! I never said that Hitler was a communist. Nice try of trying to twist things though

You said "Nazism was left wing ideology", which sir makes you the dumbest person on this board.

[Dude!]

You said "Nazism was left wing ideology", which sir makes you the dumbest person on this board.

he's heavy on common sense

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You said "Nazism was left wing ideology", which sir makes you the dumbest person on this board.

I pointed out all the left wing idealogies about Nazism. I never said anything about hitler being a communist. I presented facts of Nazism that are in line with Left wing policies. And your petty comments, they are pointless

You can spin it and twist it all you want. If you want to make comments like that to stroke your ego then go ahead

If you want to debate fine but I have better things to do than get into arguements with people like you

[epo]

After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

I pointed out all the left wing idealogies about Nazism. I never said anything about hitler being a communist. I presented facts of Nazism that are in line with Left wing policies. And your petty comments, they are pointless

You can spin it and twist it all you want. If you want to make comments like that to stroke your ego then go ahead

If you want to debate fine but I have better things to do than get into arguements with people like you

That's your post and not mine. You tried to justify it, not me.

That makes you the historical illiterate, not me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's your post and not mine. You tried to justify it, not me.

That makes you the historical illiterate, not me.

Swing and a miss, just give up already I can show you facts but you still dont want to grasp them

ONE LAST TIME!!!!! HITLER WASNT A COMMUNIST!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Swing and a miss, just give up already I can show you facts but you still dont want to grasp them

ONE LAST TIME!!!!! HITLER WASNT A COMMUNIST!!!!!

Stop dancing around what you said:

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

You weren't simply pointing out aspects of Nazi Germany that arguably fell to the Left: you flat out said that Nazisim as a political entity is a Left-based ideology.

Any argument that the Nazis weren't fascists and that Nazi Germany was not a fascist regime is doomed before it begins. It's an absurd viewpoint to argue.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stop dancing around what you said:



You weren't simply pointing out aspects of Nazi Germany that arguably fell to the Left: you flat out said that Nazisim as a political entity is a Left-based ideology.

Any argument that the Nazis weren't fascists and that Nazi Germany was not a fascist regime is doomed before it begins. It's an absurd viewpoint to argue.

Hows that dancing around? If I said that Hitler was a communist then you would have an arguement? Also where did I say that The 3rd Reich was not fascist? I was simply pointing out the left wing philosophies of the reich

In regards to Maj Hassan, we were told that we should have not prejudged him when in fact that there is overwhelming evidence that hes a jihadist, but once again charges of Islamaphobia were said


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/09/AR2009110902061_pf.html

[Willmore]

Hows that dancing around? If I said that Hitler was a communist then you would have an arguement? Also where did I say that The 3rd Reich was not fascist? I was simply pointing out the left wing philosophies of the reich

In regards to Maj Hassan, we were told that we should have not prejudged him when in fact that there is overwhelming evidence that hes a jihadist, but once again charges of Islamaphobia were said


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/09/AR2009110902061_pf.html

I think you're misunderstanding the definition of left-wing and right-wing.

[TheMojoPin]

Hows that dancing around? If I said that Hitler was a communist then you would have an arguement? Also where did I say that The 3rd Reich was not fascist? I was simply pointing out the left wing philosophies of the reich

Again, this is how you kicked it off:

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

...which would mean that it couldn't be fascism since fascism is an extreme far Right ideology. You didn't start cherrypicking and generalizing "philosophies" until you got called on the ridiculousness of your original statement.

[IMSlacker]

I'm afraid WRESTLINGFAN my have crossed over into Jezotown.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again, this is how you kicked it off:



...which would mean that it couldn't be fascism since fascism is an extreme far Right ideology. You didn't start cherrypicking and generalizing "philosophies" until you got called on the ridiculousness of your original statement.

It wasnt ridiculous, you and everyone else who debated me on this thought that I believed The 3rd Reich and Moscow were the same when in fact I will say it again FASCISM and COMMUNISM are different so Im calling you an everyone else who believed that out on that one

[EliSnow]

It wasnt ridiculous, you and everyone else who debated me on this thought that I believed The 3rd Reich and Moscow were the same when in fact I will say it again FASCISM and COMMUNISM are different so Im calling you an everyone else who believed that out on that one

Who are you calling out?

I just did a quick search of this thread about communism. Not one person asserted that you said that Hitler was a communist. No freaking one.

The response everyone was challenging was:

After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

You subsquently asserted that Nazi's were socialist, which is still a left wing ideology.

That was what everyone was challenging. Stop trying to change what the debate was about.

So again, who specifically are you calling out? Show one post where someone asserted that you were making the point that Hitler was a communist.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who are you calling out?

I just did a quick search of this thread about communism. Not one person asserted that you said that Hitler was a communist. No freaking one.

The response everyone was challenging was:



You subsquently asserted that Nazi's were socialist, which is still a left wing ideology.

That was what everyone was challenging. Stop trying to change what the debate was about.

So again, who specifically are you calling out? Show one post where someone asserted that you were making the point that Hitler was a communist.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

Many people fail to realize that because it is incorrect. I learned the difference between Socialism and Fascism in the 9th Grade, but it seems no one else remembers.

[EliSnow]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

Many people fail to realize that because it is incorrect. I learned the difference between Socialism and Fascism in the 9th Grade, but it seems no one else remembers.

Thank you for making my point.

As I stated, the issue was your assertion about socialism and the Nazi party.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thank you for making my point.

As I stated, the issue was your assertion about socialism and the Nazi party.

And where do you find faults with that when I presented facts to underscore my original comment

[EliSnow]

And where do you find faults with that when I presented facts to underscore my original comment

I find fault in your more recent attempts to "call out" people for asserting that you were presenting Hitler as a communist.

As I and others have pointed out, no one did that.

They challenged your assertion that Nazisim was a left wing ideology and that it was socialism.

That does is not the same thing as saying Nazism is communism.

[angrymissy]

You quote my post, where I said nothing about communism...

Nazis were facists, not socialists, was my point.

[Dude!]

i think EliSnow is a
nazi communist facist terrorist

[high fly]

Heres how Mussolini another FASCIST had left wing tendencies. But yet everyone wants to discredit facts.

Against abortion really?

http://www.ktk.ru/~cm/nazisex.htm


http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id8.html


Yes, really.
For their own people, but not for the citizens of other countries whom they also didn't mind gassing, doing cruel medical experiments on, etc.


That was #8 on the list, you have 16 more to deal with:



1) The name of the party. Political labels do not automatically indicate ideology - sometime check out the kind of government the German Democratic Republic was.

2) If you had read any history at all instead of reading from that right-wing book, you would discover the Nazis started out fighting the Socialists in the streets, not finding common ground with them.

3) The Nazis were seen as being on the right of the political spectrum by other conservatives of the day in other countries, including America, and were seen as a threat, not an ally, of socialists and far leftists of the day. They were seen as a "bulwark against communism," not as ideological cousins.

4) The Nazis were pro-death penalty.

5) The Nazis were anti contraception.

6) The Nazis were anti-union.

7) The Nazis were for "famly values" - their motto was Kinder, Kirche, Kuche – children, church and kitchen for women.

8) The Nazis were against abortion.

9) The Nazis persecuted gays.

10) The Nazis were against women's rights and feminist groups.

11) The Nazis were suspicious of and persecuted immigrants and minorities.

12) The Nazis loved their military parades, martial music, appeals to patriotism, and traditional respect for authority at the expense of individualism with everything swaddled in flags everywhere you looked.

13) After the war in the late 40s when Nazis were put on trial, it was conservative Germans, not liberals, who argued against imposing the death penalty on Nazis.

14) In the Spanish Civil War, the Nazis supported hose on the right side of the politcal spetrum and opposed the socialists on the left.

15) After Germany defeate france, the Nazis rounded up the leftist politicians and put those on the right side of the political spectrum in power.

16) Once Hitler got power in the Reichstag, he got rid of the Socialists, famously announcing, "And now I have no further need of you"

17) Authors of the time who were there and whom we regard today as authoritative, such as Winston Churchill and William L. Shirer placed the Nazis on the right of the political spectrum


NOTE: In my next post, I gave some quotes from Churchill and Shirer, who were there, Jonas Goldberg was not. I also have some William Manchester on deck....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, really.
For their own people, but not for the citizens of other countries whom they also didn't mind gassing, doing cruel medical experiments on, etc.


That was #8 on the list, you have 16 more to deal with:



1) The name of the party. Political labels do not automatically indicate ideology - sometime check out the kind of government the German Democratic Republic was.

2) If you had read any history at all instead of reading from that right-wing book, you would discover the Nazis started out fighting the Socialists in the streets, not finding common ground with them.

3) The Nazis were seen as being on the right of the political spectrum by other conservatives of the day in other countries, including America, and were seen as a threat, not an ally, of socialists and far leftists of the day. They were seen as a "bulwark against communism," not as ideological cousins.

4) The Nazis were pro-death penalty.

5) The Nazis were anti contraception.

6) The Nazis were anti-union.

7) The Nazis were for "famly values" - their motto was Kinder, Kirche, Kuche – children, church and kitchen for women.

8) The Nazis were against abortion.

9) The Nazis persecuted gays.

10) The Nazis were against women's rights and feminist groups.

11) The Nazis were suspicious of and persecuted immigrants and minorities.

12) The Nazis loved their military parades, martial music, appeals to patriotism, and traditional respect for authority at the expense of individualism with everything swaddled in flags everywhere you looked.

13) After the war in the late 40s when Nazis were put on trial, it was conservative Germans, not liberals, who argued against imposing the death penalty on Nazis.

14) In the Spanish Civil War, the Nazis supported hose on the right side of the politcal spetrum and opposed the socialists on the left.

15) After Germany defeate france, the Nazis rounded up the leftist politicians and put those on the right side of the political spectrum in power.

16) Once Hitler got power in the Reichstag, he got rid of the Socialists, famously announcing, "And now I have no further need of you"

17) Authors of the time who were there and whom we regard today as authoritative, such as Winston Churchill and William L. Shirer placed the Nazis on the right of the political spectrum


NOTE: In my next post, I gave some quotes from Churchill and Shirer, who were there, Jonas Goldberg was not. I also have some William Manchester on deck....


Ive made my points about this topic, If you dont want to grasp them then I cant force you to

Back to Hassan. I can not believe what I heard Chris Matthews saying today on MSNBC saying that it wasnt a concern that he was calling AL Qaeda cells overseas

[Serpico1103]

After that psycho went on a rampage at the holocaust museum all you heard was that its was talk radio who encouraged him to do it, however what many people fail to realize is that Nazism is left wing idealogy

I have read all the posts and would just like to be clear.

It is your opinion that Nazism is a left wing ideology, but it is not socialism or communism?

Or do you think it merely contained some left wing principles as well as many ring wing principles?

Because your statement was that it was a left wing ideology, not that it merely contained some left wing princples as you seem to argue in your later posts.

[high fly]

Ive made my points about this topic, If you dont want to grasp them then I cant force you to

You also acted a bunch of times as if someone said you claimed Hitler was a communist, but no one did.
You also claimed to want to debate, but declined at each opportunity.
You addressed one of 17 items on a list I provided.
I also gave you quotes from Churchill and Shirer, who I claim are superior sources than Goldberg.
Once you address those, I'll whip out a few choice quotes from William Manchester's book on Krupp.

Could you please start in on that list, and perhaps cite any credible history books on the history of the Nazis that does not describe them as being enemies of Socialists?
Or you could be sensible and admit I gave 17 reasons that show the Nazis were on the right of the political spectrum and were regarded as such by their contemporaries.....

[high fly]

You also acted a bunch of times as if someone said you claimed Hitler was a communist, but no one did.
You also claimed to want to debate, but declined at each opportunity.
You addressed one of 17 items on a list I provided.
I also gave you quotes from Churchill and Shirer, who I claim are superior sources than Goldberg.
Once you address those, I'll whip out a few choice quotes from William Manchester's book on Krupp.

Could you please start in on that list, and perhaps cite any credible history books on the history of the Nazis that does not describe them as being enemies of Socialists?
Or you could be sensible and admit I gave 17 reasons that show the Nazis were on the right of the political spectrum and were regarded as such by their contemporaries.....

I thought so.
Do you have anything, anything at all not authored by Goldberg to support your view?
No?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought so.
Do you have anything, anything at all not authored by Goldberg to support your view?
No?

I gave you all the facts on what I stated. Those werent from his book as I never read it.

[Serpico1103]

I gave you all the facts on what I stated. Those werent from his book as I never read it.

Reposting, since I'll assume you missed it.

I have read all the posts and would just like to be clear.
It is your opinion that Nazism is a left wing ideology, but it is not socialism or communism?
Or do you think it merely contained some left wing principles as well as many ring wing principles?
Because your statement was that it was a left wing ideology, not that it merely contained some left wing principles as you seem to argue in your later posts.

[mikeyboy]

Maybe someone should split the Nazism = left wing discussion off into a separate thread.

[high fly]

I gave you all the facts on what I stated. Those werent from his book as I never read it.

You are running away faster than Ussain Bolt when it comes to the list I posted.
Not much of a debate you're engaging in.
Stop lying about Goldberg. You either have the book or the article, or your source does.


Can you tell me which of their contemporaries regarded the Nazis as being on the left of the political spectrum?
It is one thing to look back through a 21st century prism, but quite another to find people of that day and time who supported or sympathized to varying degrees with the Nazis.

For example, in America, where did support or degrees of support for the Nazis come from?
The socialists and leftists?

My guess is Goldberg didn't cover that one so you're stumped....

[keithy_19]

Maybe someone should split the Nazism = left wing discussion off into a separate thread.

Thank you.

I should post in the why I won't vote for someone. If they constantly go off the subject presented.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are running away faster than Ussain Bolt when it comes to the list I posted.
Not much of a debate you're engaging in.
Stop lying about Goldberg. You either have the book or the article, or your source does.


Can you tell me which of their contemporaries regarded the Nazis as being on the left of the political spectrum?
It is one thing to look back through a 21st century prism, but quite another to find people of that day and time who supported or sympathized to varying degrees with the Nazis.

For example, in America, where did support or degrees of support for the Nazis come from?
The socialists and leftists?

My guess is Goldberg didn't cover that one so you're stumped....


Dont make assumptions that I read someones book in which I didnt, that doesnt look too good for you. Im done debating this issue.


Heres more evidence

"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion". Joseph Goebbels

The day of individual happiness has passed. Adolf Hitler

[TheMojoPin]

Dont make assumptions that I read someones book in which I didnt, that doesnt look too good for you. Im done debating this issue.


Heres more evidence

"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion". Joseph Goebbels

The day of individual happiness has passed. Adolf Hitler

I don't think you really have any idea what fascism actually is.

[TheMojoPin]

Splitting from the Fort Hood shooting thread.

[high fly]

Dont make assumptions that I read someones book in which I didnt, that doesnt look too good for you. Im done debating this issue.


Heres more evidence

"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion". Joseph Goebbels

The day of individual happiness has passed. Adolf Hitler


You never did debate with me. I presented a bunch of evdidence and you folded.

Goebels? Hitler?
The scene: Hitler’s bunker, May 1, 1945 described by Reich Youth Fuhrer Artur Axmann:
“I came over from my command post in the Wilhelmstrasse and into the lower bunker around six-thirty, Tuesday, May first. I wanted to say goodbye to both the Goebbelses. I found the couple sittling at the long conference table with Werner Naumann, Hans Baur, Walter Hewel, General Krebs, three or four others. Goebbels stood up to greet me. He soon launched into lively memories of our old street-fighting days in Berlin-Wedding, from nineteen twenty-eight to thirty three. He recalled how we had clobbered the Berlin Communists and the Socialists into submission,..."
- THE BUNKER The History of the Reich Chancellery Group, by James P. O’Donnell (Houghton Mifflin, 1978 p. 263


Here's William L. Shirer, who, unlike Goldberg, was there and is speaking of Nazi Foreign Affairs Office chief Alfred Rosenberg (whom he described on page 180 as “ whom Hitler had appointed, among other things, the party’s official “philosopher”…” :
“After the war he emigrated to Paris and then to Munich, where he found a fertile climate for his growing anti-Communist, anti-Jewish, anti-Soviet sentiments. There he also found Adolf Hitler, then an unknown young right-wing agitator, who admired Rosenberg’s stand against the Jews and the Bolsheviks.”
- 20th CENTURY JOURNEY, A Memoir of a Life and the Times: Volume II The Nightmare Years 1930-1940, by William L. Shirer (Bantam, 1985), p. 182