NY-23 stolen election: it ain't over yet

[Dude!]

well here is something interesting..

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html

apparently they were some "glitches"
in counting the votes
translation: democrat vote fraud
...as usual

the margin is down to 3,000 votes
and 10,000 absentee ballots
haven't been counted

it would be so cool
to have liar Owens
yanked out of congress

[foodcourtdruide]

Why are you blatantly lying? No one has accused anyone of fraud.

Oswego County elections officials blame the mistakes on "chaos" in their call-in center that included a phone system foul-up and inspectors who read numbers incorrectly when phoning in results. Of 245 races in the county -- not including the congressional and court races -- 84 had incorrect totals reported election night.

Also, I'm a little sketchy on why Hoffman conceded the race prior to the absentee ballots being counted? The article says last week Owens led by 5,335, but now the lead has narrowed to 3,026, but there were still over 10,000 absentee ballots to count? Doesn't that seem off? Am I missing something?

[IMSlacker]

Also, I'm a little sketchy on why Hoffman conceded the race prior to the absentee ballots being counted? The article says last week Owens led by 5,335, but now the lead has narrowed to 3,026, but there were still over 10,000 absentee ballots to count? Doesn't that seem off? Am I missing something?

It would be very unlikely that more than half of the absentee ballots would break for Hoffman since it was still a three-way race when most of them were cast.

[foodcourtdruide]

It would be very unlikely that more than half of the absentee ballots would break for Hoffman since it was still a three-way race when most of them were cast.

But it's likely that he could win with the 3,000+ margin? Or is this a lot of speculation about nothing?

[epo]

it would be so cool
to have liar Owens
yanked out of congress

Hoffman conceded so the election is over.

You'll have plenty of opportunity to remove Owens in November of 2010.

[topless_mike]

Hoffman conceded so the election is over.



you're right. hoffman quit, so owens wins.

[Dude!]

you're right. hoffman quit, so owens wins.

no, read the article
the election has not been
certified by the state yet

owens was sworn in
but will be removed if the state
certifies that hoffman won

[topless_mike]

no, read the article
the election has not been
certified by the state yet

owens was sworn in
but will be removed if the state
certifies that hoffman won


if ken shamrock has you in a submission move and you tap out, game over.
you cannot "re-enter" the fight because you had a chance to over take him.

[Dude!]

if ken shamrock has you in a submission move and you tap out, game over.
you cannot "re-enter" the fight because you had a chance to over take him.

huh?

if you concede based on
bad information
then all bets are off

[epo]

Whatever, Owens is the representative for NY-23.

Eventually the Republican Party will learn to kick the tea party folks (Heritage Foundation, Club for Growth) off the ship. Until then, Blue Dog Democrats will gladly take their districts.

[topless_mike]

huh?

if you concede based on
bad information
then all bets are off

that's what
recounts are
for.

[Dude!]

that's what
recounts are
for.

it wasn't even close
based on the numbers reported
so there was no reason to
ask for a recount

the problem is, the numbers
that were reported were WRONG

[topless_mike]

it wasn't even close
based on the numbers reported
so there was no reason to
ask for a recount

the problem is, the numbers
that were reported were WRONG

is this
going to
be your new
gimmick? "the
democrats and
the liberal media
will falsify the
counts every
election to
steal every
seat" ?

[opie's twisted balls]

Hoffman conceded so the election is over.
So when Gore conceded on the morning of November 8th, 2000 all that followed (recounts, Supreme Court Decisions, etc.) were meaningless?

[mikeyboy]

is this
going to
be your new
gimmick? "the
democrats and
the liberal media
will falsify the
counts every
election to
steal every
seat" ?

Jezo does
Dude!'s gimmick
much better

[Dude!]

Jezo does
Dude!'s gimmick
much better

i hear an ambulance
you should go chase it

[IMSlacker]

But it's likely that he could win with the 3,000+ margin? Or is this a lot of speculation about nothing?

It's more likely, still doesn't seem very likely though.

[topless_mike]

Jezo does
Dude!'s gimmick
much better

:laugh:

[SinA]

hoffman is a 3rd party
even if he won, technically
the republicans wouldn't hold the seat.
technically.

because fatzo scassofavo
dropped
out

[epo]

So when Gore conceded on the morning of November 8th, 2000 all that followed (recounts, Supreme Court Decisions, etc.) were meaningless?

No, and any recounts in the Owens/Hoffman NY-23 should be taken seriously. But when you concede, you generally disband your organization making the process to legally pursue procedural moves such as recounts more difficult.

Being down 3,000 with 10,000 absentee votes, collected while it was a three-way race makes it a very, very difficult road for Hoffman to legitimately think he has a chance to overturn the results. I tend to recollect that it was a 35-32-23 type lead for Hoffman in that split...which would only net him a few hundred vote gain.

To think that this will change anything really seems like grasping at straws.

[IMSlacker]

No, and any recounts in the Owens/Hoffman NY-23 should be taken seriously. But when you concede, you generally disband your organization making the process to legally pursue procedural moves such as recounts more difficult.

Being down 3,000 with 10,000 absentee votes, collected while it was a three-way race makes it a very, very difficult road for Hoffman to legitimately think he has a chance to overturn the results. I tend to recollect that it was a 35-32-23 type lead for Hoffman in that split...which would only net him a few hundred vote gain.

To think that this will change anything really seems like grasping at straws.

Yeah. Seems like there's very little chance that Hoffman would take the lead after the absentee votes are counted. The best he could hope for is it to be close enough to force a recount.

[joeyballsack]

Who cares.

I am from the district that this all went down in and the real losers of the election are we the constituents of the 23rd district who had their election hijacked by outside interest groups. When Scozzafava dropped out, it completely derailed any chance that the district might have had a representative that actually gave a shit about the local issues.

Its a shame that the Republican party cant get behind a candidate who held the moderate views that the majority of the people in this area actually believe in. If they could have, they might not have lost the seat to Owens.

[high fly]

well here is something interesting...

....it would be so cool
to have liar Owens
yanked out of congress


Bad enough they lost the seat, but now the conservatives have decided to prolong the agony. Fine with me if they do so, I will happily watch them continue to suffer this defeat and further delay the healing process.....

[keithy_19]

While there is pretty much no shot at Hoffman winning, I think every vote should be counted. Regardless of if it will change the results or not.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who cares.

I am from the district that this all went down in and the real losers of the election are we the constituents of the 23rd district who had their election hijacked by outside interest groups. When Scozzafava dropped out, it completely derailed any chance that the district might have had a representative that actually gave a shit about the local issues.

Its a shame that the Republican party cant get behind a candidate who held the moderate views that the majority of the people in this area actually believe in. If they could have, they might not have lost the seat to Owens.

Its a shame when the leadership keeps selecting milktoast candidates as their choice. People who are supposed to be conservative are really not they just like to wear the sign in November classic example Newt

[foodcourtdruide]

While there is pretty much no shot at Hoffman winning, I think every vote should be counted. Regardless of if it will change the results or not.

I do wish they'd only announce winners after all votes are counted. Stupid 24 hours news cycle.

[epo]

Its a shame when the leadership keeps selecting milktoast candidates as their choice. People who are supposed to be conservative are really not they just like to wear the sign in November classic example Newt

I beg your for "conservative purity" wing of the republican party to take control. Drive all of the moderates away!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I beg your for "conservative purity" wing of the republican party to take control. Drive all of the moderates away!

Obviously you dont know what kind of conservative I am. Actually Im a libertarian who thinks conservatism at its core means fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Someone who would support a Goldwater type

I love how Dede Scozafazza is now the sweetheart for the progressives. Last month it was Alan Grayson but he jumped the shark

The evangelicals, religious right, . I have no use for them. The country club elites like McCain Romney, Palin, Newt and Huckabee are also useless

Thom Hartmann called it right on libertarians. They are Republicans who like to get laid and smoke weed

[epo]

Obviously you dont know what kind of conservative I am. Actually Im a libertarian who thinks conservatism at its core means fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Someone who would support a Goldwater type

I love how Dede Scozafazza is now the sweetheart for the progressives. Last month it was Alan Grayson but he jumped the shark

The evangelicals, religious right, . I have no use for them. The country club elites like McCain Romney, Palin, Newt and Huckabee are also useless

Thom Hartmann called it right on libertarians. They are Republicans who like to get laid and smoke weed

Then you realize that the only future for the Republican Party is through candidates like Scozafazza and not Hoffman?

[keithy_19]

Then you realize that the only future for the Republican Party is through candidates like Scozafazza and not Hoffman?

Let it burn.

[TheMojoPin]

Let it burn.

Why?

What do you know about either of the candidates?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then you realize that the only future for the Republican Party is through candidates like Scozafazza and not Hoffman?

DeDe should have a D after her name. Flush out the dead weight like her and start over

[epo]

DeDe should have a D after her name. Flush out the dead weight like her and start over

So who would epitomize the ideal republican in your opinion?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So who would epitomize the ideal republican in your opinion?

There arent many/However 2 come to mind. Ron Paul and someone named Peter Schiff. Hes running to unseat Dodd in 2010. Even though hes never held office Hes CEO of a company called Euro Pacific capital. Hes always on CNBC and smashes away their cheerleading of this so called recovery

[epo]

There arent many/However 2 come to mind. Ron Paul and someone named Peter Schiff. Hes running to unseat Dodd in 2010. Even though hes never held office Hes CEO of a company called Euro Pacific capital. Hes always on CNBC and smashes away their cheerleading of this so called recovery

I'm aware of them both. So are you with Paul or Schiff on social issues?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm aware of them both. So are you with Paul or Schiff on social issues?


On social Issues I know that Paul is a social moderate Even though hes pro life he believes Abortion shouldnt be the law of the land or forbidden by the Federal gov't. Leave it up to the states As far as gay marriage His views on Marriage is that the legal term ,an and Woman but opposes an ammendment banning same sex marriage I think he wouldnt have a problem calling it a civil union or something like that. Ive only seen Schiffs policies on Economics as I havent seen his social issues. I would presume its similar to pauls

[The Jays]

While there is pretty much no shot at Hoffman winning, I think every vote should be counted. Regardless of if it will change the results or not.

Yeah... every vote is counted, it just usually takes a while to do it and get it certified. That's typical of elections.

[high fly]

I beg your for "conservative purity" wing of the republican party to take control. Drive all of the moderates away!


I agree.
The further to the right the GOP is pulled, the smaller the portion of the electorate they will appeal to in national elections. The tide turned on the conservatives 5 years ago and their tide has been ebbing ever since.
One good thing is opposition parties almost always pick up seats in congress between presidential elections. So if the Republicans pick up, say, a dozen or so seats next year, it will give the conservatives false hope, setting up another trouncing in 2012, with Democrats further increasing their majorities and holding on to the presidency....

[keithy_19]

Why?

What do you know about either of the candidates?

I just feel that instead of changing the party, form a new one. I know it's a tedious process and incredibly difficult if not impossible, but if a political party is in turmoil just let it be in turmoil and see if something better comes out at the end.

[Reephdweller]

Doug Hoffman "Unconcedes" House Race (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5675702.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsHorserace+%28Political +Hotsheet%3A+CBSNews.com%29)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/03/image5514953x.jpg

[epo]

Doug Hoffman "Unconcedes" House Race (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5675702.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsHorserace+%28Political +Hotsheet%3A+CBSNews.com%29)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/03/image5514953x.jpg

Good. I personally want the tea partiers to take over the Republican Party.

[underdog]

Doug Hoffman "Unconcedes" House Race (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5675702.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsHorserace+%28Political +Hotsheet%3A+CBSNews.com%29)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/03/image5514953x.jpg

He looks part flounder.

[Dude!]

He looks part flounder.

i could never vote
for someone who looks like that

i wish i had seen that picture earlier
he looks possessed

[furie]

Doug Hoffman "Unconcedes" House Race (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5675702.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsHorserace+%28Political +Hotsheet%3A+CBSNews.com%29)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/03/image5514953x.jpg

he other guy's already been sworn in. so how does that work?

[Jujubees2]

Good. I personally want the tea partiers to take over the Republican Party.

Tea bagging for everyone!

[epo]

he other guy's already been sworn in. so how does that work?

Theoretically, the House of Representatives would remove Owens from office after the State of New York confirmed if Hoffman won.

Realistically, Hoffman and his lawyers will waste everyone's time (and ironically enough, taxpayer money) and bitch about Owens "stealing" the election...only to eventually discover that Owens really did win.

[Reephdweller]

Doug Hoffman "Unconcedes" House Race (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5675702.shtml?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsHorserace+%28Political +Hotsheet%3A+CBSNews.com%29)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/03/image5514953x.jpg


He reminds me of the muffin lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tcR19y7GPM)

http://img.youtube.com/vi/u-4LWE5SsNQ/0.jpg

[Kevin]

The fact that people actualy voted for this lush, leads me to believe that we are in deep trouble as a nation.

Nobody could inspire me less than this man. I would not hire him to take out my garbage.

[Kevin]

And by the way.....


When did Hottub decide to run for office!??

[EliSnow]

if ken shamrock has you in a submission move and you tap out, game over.
you cannot "re-enter" the fight because you had a chance to over take him.

Plus, every 10 year old kid knows there's no takebacks.

[Dude!]

Plus, every 10 year old kid knows there's no takebacks.

so......
milli vanilli still have
their grammys?

[IMSlacker]

Hoffman re-concedes (http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1109/Hoffman_concedes_again.html)

I can't wait until he re-un-concedes.