The Swiss hate towelheads

[SatCam]

Swiss Vote to Ban New Minarets (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html)

Switzerland’s political right on Sunday scored a surprising victory in a referendum on banning construction of minarets, denting the nation’s cherished image as a bastion of tolerance and threatening to set it at odds with international law and the Muslim world.

The Swiss Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but the rightist Swiss People’s Party, or S.V.P., and a small religious party proposed inserting a single sentence banning the construction of minarets, the towers that typically stand adjacent to mosques and serve to issue the Muslim call to prayer.

In a recent televised debate, Ulrich Schlüer, an S.V.P. member of Parliament, said minarets were a symbol of “the political will to take power” and establish Sharia law. Switzerland, he said, already suffers from thousands of forced marriages and “we have a growing number of young Muslim women in Switzerland forced to endure genital mutilation.”


If you don't look like us, you're against us.

[HBox]

I'm not used to the Swiss taking a stance on anything other than Nazi gold.

[GregoryJoseph]

Good for Switzerland.

It's about time SOMEONE stood up and said they weren't going to allow their enemies to freely and openly set up camp in their country.

[Ritalin]

You ever have a Toblerone?

Delish.

[Marc with a c]

Good for Switzerland.

It's about time SOMEONE stood up and said they weren't going to allow their enemies to freely and openly set up camp in their country.

too bad jew jon can't do the same. nice banner ad.

http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CLHhz96y36i2JBB4GMIEMgga4BdI3XabFA

[razorboy]

Keep the time and shut the fuck up.

[epo]

Just stupid.

[TooLowBrow]

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/swiss-army-knife.jpg

whats a good swiss army knife joke?

[A.J.]

The Swiss are plain

http://www.grandfatherclocksplus.com/gfcp/images/items/cl8390.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Good for Switzerland.

It's about time SOMEONE stood up and said they weren't going to allow their enemies to freely and openly set up camp in their country.

Of course Gvac supports Nazi-lovers.

[sailor]

Of course Gvac supports Nazi-lovers.

they are lovable.

[GregoryJoseph]

too bad jew jon can't do the same. nice banner ad.

http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CLHhz96y36i2JBB4GMIEMgga4BdI3XabFA

And another...


http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CJTT96exy-6glgEQeBjCBDII4Ue42-_BGXI

[HBox]

And another...


http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CJTT96exy-6glgEQeBjCBDII4Ue42-_BGXI

First gay marriage, now this.......

[TEKOA]

they are lovable.

Sgt. Schultz was adorable. :thumbup:

[TooLowBrow]

In a recent televised debate, Ulrich Schlüer, an S.V.P. member of Parliament, said minarets were a symbol of “the political will to take power” and establish Sharia law. Switzerland, he said, already suffers from thousands of forced marriages and “we have a growing number of young Muslim women in Switzerland forced to endure genital mutilation.”

this story is full of holes

i guess the swiss are used to that

http://thingsintowhichonemightstickonesfingers.files.word press.com/2008/09/emmentaler.jpg

[sailor]

First gay marriage, now this.......

god intended for marriage to be between a christian man and a christian woman, dammit!

[razorboy]

god intended for marriage to be between a christian man and a christian woman, dammit!

He left no room for cheese?

[Ritalin]

I think this change was fondue.

[Death Metal Moe]

http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_34812_Fascist_Swiss_poster.jpg

Looks like they're having a very level headed, fair discussion about things over there.

Carry on Swiss people.

[Meataball23]

Good for the swiss. If they dont make a stand at something, they can turn into the netherlands. European countries have to stop bending over for muslims

[GregoryJoseph]

For some reason, people think "tolerance" means "let people trample all over you."

[RhinoinMN]

For some reason, people think "tolerance" means "let people trample all over you."

Just white people.

[epo]

For some reason, people think "tolerance" means "let people trample all over you."

You would have been great in the 1950's.

[Meataball23]

For some reason, people think "tolerance" means "let people trample all over you."

Totally agree

[Marc with a c]

You would have been great in the 1950's.

he was.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/143862/200.jpg

[GregoryJoseph]

he was.

HA!

Seriously though, if you stand up and say you don't want your neighborhood, town, state, or country to be destroyed that's somehow "intolerant"?

I don't get it.

If Russians started moving here in massive numbers during the days of the Cold War and speaking of destroying America would we be so "tolerant" of their "free speech"?

It's not your right to infringe on the rights of others.

[epo]

HA!

Seriously though, if you stand up and say you don't want your neighborhood, town, state, or country to be destroyed that's somehow "intolerant"?

I don't get it.

If Russians started moving here in massive numbers during the days of the Cold War and speaking of destroying America would we be so "tolerant" of their "free speech"?

It's not your right to infringe on the rights of others.

Legislating from the perspective of fear and hatred is much different that tolerance of free speech.

This is a shockingly ignorant decision by the Swiss voters.

[GregoryJoseph]

Legislating from the perspective of fear and hatred is much different that tolerance of free speech.


I don't think it's an unrealistic fear, and who said anything about hatred?

If we want to solve the problem with "radical" Muslims, maybe by restricting ALL Muslims it will force them to confront one another.

To be tolerant of ALL for fear that you're punishing the good along with the bad is an incredibly risky gamble.

If I was the leader of a country I would much rather err on the side of caution when it came to protecting my people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anyone think the Jews will get blamed?

[Syd]

IIf I was the leader of a country I would much rather err on the side of caution when it came to protecting my people.

I hate to go all Godwins but that was Hitler's exact line of thinking on exterminating Jews. They were blamed for Germany's loss in WW1. So, kudos for history repeating itself but sparing us from you ever being in any position of power.

[HBox]

Anyone think the Jews will get blamed?

The Swiss already helped the Nazis steal all their money.

[GregoryJoseph]

I hate to go all Godwins but that was Hitler's exact line of thinking on exterminating Jews. They were blamed for Germany's loss in WW1. So, kudos for history repeating itself but sparing us from you ever being in any position of power.

I never called for the extermination of any race or religion.

That's a bizarre comparison you came up with and perhaps it speaks more to your own feelings.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

earlier this year Sarkozy wanted the French Gov't to ban Burkas but I think he ended up backing off

[epo]

If I was the leader of a country I would much rather err on the side of caution when it came to protecting my people.

This is exhibit #459 why I could never live in a country led by you.

[Syd]

I never called for the extermination of any race or religion.

That's a bizarre comparison you came up with and perhaps it speaks more to your own feelings.

If I was the leader of a country I would much rather err on the side of caution when it came to protecting my people.

It's a rather apt comparison -- Hitler didn't want to see the Third Reich fall as the Second Reich did before it due to the Jews stabbing the troops in the back (or so the lie was told to the German public)

I'm sorry you can't understand comparisons because they're not completely literal, but I invite your psychological findings as you struggle to come to grips with your inferiority.

[GregoryJoseph]

This is exhibit #459 why I could never live in a country led by you.

I feel the same about you.

You'd let in every enemy of the country to show how "tolerant" you were.

Do you invite rats and cockroaches into your home?

[Marc with a c]

I hate to go all Godwins but that was Hitler's exact line of thinking on exterminating Jews. They were blamed for Germany's loss in WW1. So, kudos for history repeating itself but sparing us from you ever being in any position of power.

you're getting it wrong. gvac isn't hitler for wanting to rid a country of a certain religion, just jon is hitler because he planned a party gvac doesn't want to go

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think it might be some sort of Backlash some Western European countries are inflicting. There are many social democracies in Europe and some feel that Muslim immigrants come there to live off the welfare state

After the Killing of Theo Van Gogh in '04 The Dutch began a similar policy if im correct

[brettmojo]

I love how whenever someone disagrees with the tolerance police they're grouped in with Nazis and genocidal maniacs.

[Syd]

I love how whenever someone disagrees with the tolerance police they're grouped in with Nazis and genocidal maniacs.

It's humorous because it's easy, fascist thinking never really goes away. America's fascist politic has risen just the same as it has in Europe. Fortunately enough ours is tempered without a true sense of nationalism, whereas nationalism is still going strong over the pond.

[Syd]

I think it might be some sort of Backlash some Western European countries are inflicting. There are many social democracies in Europe and some feel that Muslim immigrants come there to live off the welfare state

After the Killing of Theo Van Gogh in '04 The Dutch began a similar policy if im correct

More or less that, people are getting their panties in a huge wad over nothing. Fortunately America is somehow tolerant enough to not go too crazy overboard with reactionary laws against South and Central Americans.

[underdog]

I never called for the extermination of any race or religion.

That's a bizarre comparison you came up with and perhaps it speaks more to your own feelings.

You compared just jon to hitler.

[epo]

I feel the same about you.

You'd let in every enemy of the country to show how "tolerant" you were.

Do you invite rats and cockroaches into your home?

Can you make sure you name your next board incarnation "Logical Fallacy"?

[underdog]

I love how whenever someone disagrees with the tolerance police they're grouped in with Nazis and genocidal maniacs.

http://i33.tinypic.com/29xdo2p.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More or less that, people are getting their panties in a huge wad over nothing. Fortunately America is somehow tolerant enough to not go too crazy overboard with reactionary laws against South and Central Americans.

Even though Im opposed to illegal immigration, banning flannel shirts, droopy moustaches, jeans and cowboy hats would be silly

[underdog]

Even though Im opposed to illegal immigration, banning flannel shirts, droopy moustaches jeans and cowboy hats would be silly

What the hell are droopy mustache jeans?

[Meataball23]

I love how whenever someone disagrees with the tolerance police they're grouped in with Nazis and genocidal maniacs.

x2

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What the hell are droopy mustache jeans?

Fixed it

[Marc with a c]

What the hell are droopy mustache jeans?

he misspelled jean.

http://worldmustbecrazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/GeneShalit.jpg

[underdog]

Fixed it

Oh. I really thought I missed something.

[GregoryJoseph]

you're getting it wrong. gvac isn't hitler for wanting to rid a country of a certain religion, just jon is hitler because he planned a party gvac doesn't want to go

Wrong.

I said I wouldn't attend a party thrown by someone I do not agree with, believe in, or even like, just like I wouldn't go to a party thrown by Hitler.

I do not agree with, believe in, or like a great many people.

That does not mean I'm comparing them to Hitler.

He was used as a reference to get my point across because he's pretty much universally disagreed with and disliked.

[brettmojo]

http://i33.tinypic.com/29xdo2p.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5042/tojd3.gif

[hammersavage]

Pretty much?

[Marc with a c]

He was used as a reference to get my point across because he's pretty much universally disagreed with and disliked.

tweeter's would disagree.

[underdog]

Wrong.

I said I wouldn't attend a party thrown by someone I do not agree with, believe in, or even like, just like I wouldn't go to a party thrown by Hitler.

I do not agree with, believe in, or like a great many people.

That does not mean I'm comparing them to Hitler.

He was used as a reference to get my point across because he's pretty much universally disagreed with and disliked.

Do you ever get tired of talking in circles?

[GregoryJoseph]

Do you ever get tired of talking in circles?

No.

Do you ever get tired of being so easily confused?

I can't imagine what it's like to see two words in a paragraph and immediately assume they're being compared.

Me - "I don't like spinach. I also don't like Chryslers."

You - "I can't believe you're comparing spinach with Chryslers! That's absurd!"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No.

Do you ever get tired of being so easily confused?

I can't imagine what it's like to see two words in a paragraph and immediately assume they're being compared.

Me - "I don't like spinach. I also don't like Chryslers."

You - "I can't believe you're comparing spinach with Chryslers! That's absurd!"

Id rather have Spinach than a Chrysler anyday

[underdog]

No.

Do you ever get tired of being so easily confused?

I can't imagine what it's like to see two words in a paragraph and immediately assume they're being compared.

Me - "I don't like spinach. I also don't like Chryslers."

You - "I can't believe you're comparing spinach with Chryslers! That's absurd!"

You realize you're the only one who ever believes what you say, right?

[GregoryJoseph]

You realize you're the only one who ever believes what you say, right?

That's fine, even though it's not true.

I don't need others to tell me what to believe. I'm secure enough in myself to say what I think and believe and I don't care whether it's popular or not.

[GregoryJoseph]

Id rather have Spinach than a Chrysler anyday

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

This is why WRESTLINGFAN is quickly becoming one of my favorites around here!

[TheMojoPin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

This is why WRESTLINGFAN is quickly becoming one of my favorites around here!

And that's yet another reason why everyone sees you as the sham you are.

[underdog]

That's fine, even though it's not true.

I don't need others to tell me what to believe. I'm secure enough in myself to say what I think and believe and I don't care whether it's popular or not.

Good for you, 4th grader's report card.

[epo]

That's fine, even though it's not true.

I don't need others to tell me what to believe. I'm secure enough in myself to say what I think and believe and I don't care whether it's popular or not.

I'd love to see your filthy immigrant forefathers try to survive in a culture dictated by your ridiculous rules.

[GregoryJoseph]

And that's yet another reason why everyone sees you as the sham you are.

Quick...stick your finger into the wind and find what the general consensus is on a topic!

Sorry.

That's never been my bag.

Never will be.

[GregoryJoseph]

I'd love to see your filthy immigrant forefathers try to survive in a culture dictated by your ridiculous rules.

They came in peace to assimilate into American culture, not overthrow it.

I'd have no problem letting such people in the country.

[TheMojoPin]

Quick...stick your finger into the wind and find what the general consensus is on a topic!

Sorry.

That's never been my bag.

Never will be.

No, your bag is to be the contrary guy no matter what. Please stop acting like we all haven't realized your gimmick.

[TheMojoPin]

They came in peace to assimilate into American culture, not overthrow it.

http://paxcosmico.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/native-americans.jpg

"Oh, Gvac! Are we only good for being avatars for you?!?"

[SonOfSmeagol]

So the ban is on building NEW Minarets – the shrewd businessperson would see this as a huge opportunity to import USED Minarets.

[GregoryJoseph]

http://paxcosmico.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/native-americans.jpg

"Oh, Gvac! Are we only good for being avatars for you?!?"

My point exactly.

Thank you.

Just as the early settlers took over this country and practically eradicated its native people doesn't mean it should happen again and again.

[TheMojoPin]

So you view Muslim immigrants in a country as more often than not being people that need to be treated with fear, distrust and suspicion? You think most or even a significant number of them are immigrating with the idea of "taking over" a country at the expense of the people there?

[epo]

They came in peace to assimilate into American culture, not overthrow it.

I'd have no problem letting such people in the country.

So a peaceful tribe that immigrate to a free land aren't good enough for you?

Shame on your fake Taoist ways.

[TheMojoPin]

So the ban is on building NEW Minarets – the shrewd businessperson would see this as a huge opportunity to import USED Minarets.

I like the way this guy thinks. Always on the ball!

[yojimbo7248]

So you view Muslim immigrants in a country as more often than not being people that need to be treated with fear, distrust and suspicion? You think most or even a significant number of them are immigrating with the idea of "taking over" a country at the expense of the people there?


I'm guessing Greg is just yanking your chain.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm guessing Greg is just yanking your chain.

Yeah, but I want to see how far he'll run with it.

He's already shitting all over his Taoist take on politics and government...I want more! MORE!!!

[GregoryJoseph]

So a peaceful tribe that immigrate to a free land aren't good enough for you?

Shame on your fake Taoist ways.

I just said they were.

Do you even read what I post?

[GregoryJoseph]

They came in peace to assimilate into American culture, not overthrow it.

I'd have no problem letting such people in the country.

See?

[epo]

I just said they were.

Do you even read what I post?

When you "agree" with one side of an issue that completely contradicts your "beliefs" I'm not sure which to listen to.

[GregoryJoseph]

When you "agree" with one side of an issue that completely contradicts your "beliefs" I'm not sure which to listen to.

There is no contradiction whatsoever.

[GregoryJoseph]

To borrow a line from the Tao Te Ching, "True words seem paradoxical. Paradoxical words seem true."

[sailor]

So the ban is on building NEW Minarets – the shrewd businessperson would see this as a huge opportunity to import USED Minarets.

i just bought 1,000 shares of ted's minaret repair shop (TMS)

[TheMojoPin]

To borrow a line from the Tao Te Ching, "True words seem paradoxical. Paradoxical words seem true."

What a crock of shit.

[opie's twisted balls]

Awesome news!!!

Makes me so happy I'd blow a St. Bernard

[opie's twisted balls]

i just bought 1,000 shares of ted's minaret repair shop (TMS)
It's "Ted's Minaret Emporium" dumbass

[GregoryJoseph]

What a crock of shit.

"When the highest type of men hear Tao,
They diligently practice it.
When the average type of men hear Tao,
They half believe in it.
When they lowest type of men hear Tao,
They laugh heartily at it.
If they did not laugh at it, it would not be Tao."

- from Verse #41 of the Tao Te Ching

[TheMojoPin]

In all seriousness, how do any of you that think this is a good thing convince yourself that your attitude isn't based out of a fear and hatred of Muslims in general?

I'd love to hear how this is supposed to have any effect on Muslim extremists. I mean, those are the people we're supposed to be pissed at, right? How does this stop them from being extremists in any way? How does this do anything but punish Muslims who don't subscribe to the rhetoric of the extremists? What do you have against those people?

[TheMojoPin]

Bah.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What do you have against those people?

They refuse to eat bacon

[TheMojoPin]

"When the highest type of men hear Tao,
They diligently practice it.
When the average type of men hear Tao,
They half believe in it.
When they lowest type of men hear Tao,
They laugh heartily at it.
If they did not laugh at it, it would not be Tao."

- from Verse #41 of the Tao Te Ching

Or that other line was just a load of bullshit. For someone who acts like they're not beholden to anything you sure run around spouting the Tao like it's never wrong. It's ridiculous to say that true words are always paradoxical. That's just a complete cop-out for someone to be able to excuse their own hypocrisy.

[GregoryJoseph]

In all seriousness, how do any of you that think this is a good thing convince yourself that your attitude isn't based out of a fear and hatred of Muslims in general?

I'd love to hear how this is supposed to have any effect on Muslim extremists. I mean, those are the people we're supposed to be pissed at, right? How does this stop them from being extremists in any way? How does this do anything but punish Muslims who don't subscribe to the rhetoric of the extremists? What do you have against those people?

As I said, maybe by placing restrictions on ALL Muslims you would force them to confront, and denounce, the radical sect.

The evil ones in their religion do not come out and openly state their purpose; they're secretive.

How are we to know which are "good" and which are "bad"?

At least Shirley Phelps-Roper lets you know where she's coming from, so there's no need to fear ALL Christians.

[GregoryJoseph]

It's ridiculous to say that true words are always paradoxical.

You've got to improve your reading comprehension.

Go back and try again.

NOWHERE does it say "always."

[opie's twisted balls]

I'd love to hear how this is supposed to have any effect on Muslim extremists. I mean, those are the people we're supposed to be pissed at, right? How does this stop them from being extremists in any way? How does this do anything but punish Muslims who don't subscribe to the rhetoric of the extremists? What do you have against those people?

How? Simple. It sends the message to assholes like Anjem Choudary and other Westernized radical muslims that their garbage won't be allowed to spread unchecked. Much of Western Europe has fallen to political correctness to the point where homegrown and imported terrorists are allowed to openly preach their hateful rhetoric and desire to spread their cult with no fear of repercussion.

[GregoryJoseph]

How? Simple. It sends the message to assholes like Anjem Choudary and other Westernized radical muslims that their garbage won't be allowed to spread unchecked. Much of Western Europe has fallen to political correctness to the point where homegrown and imported terrorists are allowed to openly preach their hateful rhetoric and desire to spread their cult with no fear of repercussion.

Fantastic.

I'm glad you understand.

[TheMojoPin]

You've got to improve your reading comprehension.

Go back and try again.

NOWHERE does it say "always."

It's a bullshit statement even if it clarified how often it was talking about (which it doesn't, which just adds to the pile of bullshit. How convenient).

[TheMojoPin]

How? Simple. It sends the message to assholes like Anjem Choudary and other Westernized radical muslims that their garbage won't be allowed to spread unchecked. Much of Western Europe has fallen to political correctness to the point where homegrown and imported terrorists are allowed to openly preach their hateful rhetoric and desire to spread their cult with no fear of repercussion.

Explain how this stops the radicals and the extremists. How does it punish or hurt them? They're not going to stop being radicals because of this. The only thing it does is deprive non-radical Muslims of part of their faith.

[TheMojoPin]

As I said, maybe by placing restrictions on ALL Muslims you would force them to confront, and denounce, the radical sect.

The evil ones in their religion do not come out and openly state their purpose; they're secretive.

How are we to know which are "good" and which are "bad"?

At least Shirley Phelps-Roper lets you know where she's coming from, so there's no need to fear ALL Christians.

So I assume you expect all Christians to be punished in some way until they confront and denounce Shirley and her ilk, right?

And since when are radical Muslims subtle and secretive about their extremist beliefs?

Just be upfront and admit you don't like Islam. You don't care about distinguishing between radicals and non-radicals because if you did you'd realize how absurd it is to expect people who have made the choice to live their lives apart from extremism and radicalism to "combat" the extremists. They're already setting the loudest example by living lives seperate from that garbage. It's far more effective to live and succeed by example than to try and out-shout a fanatic because you'll never win that shouting match unless you succumb to fanatacism yourself.

[GregoryJoseph]

So I assume you expect all Christians to be punished in some way until they confront and denounce Shirley and her ilk, right?

And since when are radical Muslims subtle and secretive about their extremist beliefs?

No, I said there's no reason to fear all Christians because Shirley is NOT secretive.

If she was and she was blowing up people, I'd expect other Christians to denounce her.

Muslims, no matter how "peaceful" they are, aren't very willing to denounce the radicals that have usurped their religion.

And the radical Muslims aren't secretive about their objectives, but merely about who they are.

They befriend non-Muslims, move into their cities, and then wreak havoc.

[TheMojoPin]

No, I said there's no reason to fear all Christians because Shirley is NOT secretive.

If she was and she was blowing up people, I'd expect other Christians to denounce her.

So some degrees of hate are OK with you and others aren't. Gotcha. Why don't you expect Christians who are tolerant of the people Shirley hates to denounce her perversion of Christianity?

Muslims, no matter how "peaceful" they are, aren't very willing to denounce the radicals that have usurped their religion.

That's not true at all. If you did a quick internet search (and we all know you won't) you'll find a number of organizations and individuals of the Islamic faith who do speak out against radical Islam time and time again. What you expect is for them to counter fanaticism with fanaticism. Because they're not as loud and as dangerous and as intimidating as the fanatics, you deem them failures and ineffective. You have totally unrealistc expectations where you're effectively decrying the non-fanatics for not out-fanatic-ing the fanatics.

And the radical Muslims aren't secretive about their objectives, but merely about who they are.

They befriend non-Muslims, move into their cities, and then wreak havoc.

Nonsense. Radical muslims are some of the most in-your-face, overbearing people when it comes to their religion. You're acting like it's hard to spot radical Muslim rheotric and that's not the case at all, especially in Western countries. If anything, moves like this serve to only push them underground and actually make them more "secret."

[opie's twisted balls]

Explain how this stops the radicals and the extremists. How does it punish or hurt them? They're not going to stop being radicals because of this. The only thing it does is deprive non-radical Muslims of part of their faith.
The same way that the swastika has been warped into a symbol of Nazism and their hate the minaret serves as a rallying point for the radical muslims.

That there was a clear majority to not allow this symbology speaks volumes about the position of the Swiss and that has to be respected.

[TheMojoPin]

The same way that the swastika has been warped into a symbol of Nazism and their hate the minaret serves as a rallying point for the radical muslims.

That there was a clear majority to not allow this symbology speaks volumes about the position of the Swiss and that has to be respected.

Ohhhhhh my.

[opie's twisted balls]

Ohhhhhh my.
What's the problem Dorthy?

[boosterp]

Explain how this stops the radicals and the extremists. How does it punish or hurt them? They're not going to stop being radicals because of this. The only thing it does is deprive non-radical Muslims of part of their faith.

And may fuel the radical ones.

[TheMojoPin]

What's the problem Dorthy?

There's really no point.

[opie's twisted balls]

And may fuel the radical ones.
The Swiss are well armed.


There's really no point.
You're funny.

[GregoryJoseph]

There's really no point.

You're funny.

He always says that when he realizes he's wrong.

[yojimbo7248]

I love seeing the Muslim matrimony banner on the side while reading threads like this.

[GregoryJoseph]

I love seeing the Muslim matrimony banner on the side while reading threads like this.

Check out the first page of this thread...

[TheMojoPin]

He always says that when he realizes he's wrong.

I really wish for once you drop all of your acts with these types of discussions.

[GregoryJoseph]

I really wish for once you drop all of your acts with these types of discussions.

Ha!

Look who's talking!

How often are you truly speaking with your heart on this message board?

Be honest.

You love to poke and prod as much as I do.

[TheMojoPin]

Ha!

Look who's talking!

How often are you truly speaking with your heart on this message board?

Be honest.

You love to poke and prod as much as I do.

With something like this? I couldn't be myself more if I tried. I try to make it as obvious as possible when I'm just kidding around.

[GregoryJoseph]

With something like this? I couldn't be myself more if I tried.

I only believe you when you speak of your disdain for the DH.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

ZFrom what I understand...the Swiss hate shower heads. I think?

[GregoryJoseph]

And I also fully support the right of a country to want to maintain its identity.

If Switzerland and its people do not want their country resembling the Middle East I fully support their right to prevent the building of more minarets.

It's not anyone else's business but the Swiss'.

They're not committing genocide or acts of violence against humanity.

They made a decision.

We have no more right to tell them they are "right" or "wrong" than they can tell us what to do.

Aren't you one of the guys who says America gets involved in other countries' business a little too much?

[Devo37]

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[TheMojoPin]

Where did anyone say America has to get involved in this?

Switzerland does indeed have the right to do this and we have the right to have our opinions about it. I have absolutely no idea how they have any clue as to how this will curtail or impact radical Islam at all, but it's their call.

[yojimbo7248]

ZFrom what I understand...the Swiss hate shower heads. I think?


I thought they hated towel racks.

[opie's twisted balls]

He always says that when he realizes he's wrong.
There must be lots of cutting and pasting then :lol:

[jauble]

Where did anyone say America has to get involved in this?

Switzerland does indeed have the right to do this and we have the right to have our opinions about it. I have absolutely no idea how they have any clue as to how this will curtail or impact radical Islam at all, but it's their call.

I don't know if it will change the radical part, but it literally will maintain the landscape and look of the country. I don't know if that matters.

[GregoryJoseph]

Where did anyone say America has to get involved in this?

Switzerland does indeed have the right to do this and we have the right to have our opinions about it. I have absolutely no idea how they have any clue as to how this will curtail or impact radical Islam at all, but it's their call.

I just despise the idea of a homogenized planet where every country looks the same.

I appreciate different cultures and can understand when a country wants to preserve theirs.

10 years ago I landed in Copenhagen, Denmark. I was so excited to see the history and way of life of these people.

We decided to walk to town because it wasn't very far from the airport and it was a nice day.

As we came over a hill, the very first building I saw was a Burger King.

My hand to God.

The next thing I saw?

A 7-11.

I can't convey how disappointed I was.

I wish the people of Denmark had voted to keep Americans out.

[TheMojoPin]

OK, now this is just getting goofy.

[GregoryJoseph]

OK, now this is just getting goofy.

Why?

Maybe the Italians should tear down the Coliseum and the Vatican and put up shopping malls instead.

It's pathetic.

That's why I support the Swiss for wanting to maintain their national identity.

[TheMojoPin]

Come on, you can keep going!

[GregoryJoseph]

Come on, you can keep going!

I guess we'll agree to disagree.

You don't care if the Alps are one day littered with Mosques, minarets, and KFC franchises.

I do.

Nothing left to say.

[TheMojoPin]

So, to clarify, you view Muslim temples as the equivalent of malls.

And I would assume you would have the same attitude towards all other religions, correct?

[GregoryJoseph]

So, to clarify, you view Muslim temples as the equivalent of malls.

And I would assume you would have the same attitude towards all other religions, correct?

If they're not part of the national landscape and heritage? Yes.

Obviously Catholic Churches are part of the history of Italy, Ireland, etc.

To start building them in Saudi Arabia or Iran would seem contradictory.

[yojimbo7248]

You are in fascist territory when you talk about a European country maintaining cultural purity. La Pen says 'France for the French' and the BNP says 'England for the English'

[TheMojoPin]

So you espect all nations to formally establish a national religion?

[jauble]

So, to clarify, you view Muslim temples as the equivalent of malls.

And I would assume you would have the same attitude towards all other religions, correct?

What would you call an American protestant superchurch?

[GregoryJoseph]

So you espect all nations to formally establish a national religion?

No.

I expect people who emigrate to other nations to respect their culture.

If I moved to another country I'd adapt, I wouldn't insist on everyone accepting ME and trying to Americanize everyone.

[TheMojoPin]

No.

I expect people who emigrate to other nations to respect their culture.

If I moved to another country I'd adapt, I wouldn't insist on everyone accepting ME and trying to Americanize everyone.

So everyone is supposed to adapt their faith to...what? You don't want national religions, but then what are they supposed to adapt to?

[iSpider]

No.

I expect people who emigrate to other nations to respect their culture.

If I moved to another country I'd adapt, I wouldn't insist on everyone accepting ME and trying to Americanize everyone.

This... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2602125&postcount=663)

[GregoryJoseph]

So everyone is supposed to adapt their faith to...what? You don't want national religions, but then what are they supposed to adapt to?

They don't have to bring their architecture with them.

And why do they want to leave their homeland anyway?

Are they seeking political asylum?

A better way of life?

[epo]

No.

I expect people who emigrate to other nations to respect their culture.

If I moved to another country I'd adapt, I wouldn't insist on everyone accepting ME and trying to Americanize everyone.

Oh trust me...very few Americans accept you.

[jauble]

Oh trust me...very few Americans accept you.

Canadian

[TheMojoPin]

They don't have to bring their architecture with them.

And why do they want to leave their homeland anyway?

Are they seeking political asylum?

A better way of life?

There's a wide variety of reasons why so many different people immigrate to so many different countries.

Your expectations in this are beyond unrealistic and are explicitly fascist and totalitarian.

[Syd]

If they're not part of the national landscape and heritage? Yes.

Obviously Catholic Churches are part of the history of Italy, Ireland, etc.

To start building them in Saudi Arabia or Iran would seem contradictory.

Catholic Churches weren't always part of the history of Italy, Ireland and other nations. Protestant churches weren't always part of the history of England or the Netherlands. Mosques weren't always part of the history of Switzerland. Guess what, though? Time has a funny way of changing things.

[GregoryJoseph]

Catholic Churches weren't always part of the history of Italy, Ireland and other nations. Protestant churches weren't always part of the history of England or the Netherlands. Mosques weren't always part of the history of Switzerland. Guess what, though? Time has a funny way of changing things.

You're too late.

I already won.

[disneyspy]

some of you need to stay away from dearborn mi,less you become enlightened

[SatCam]

they're mutilating genitalia, people!

[Marc with a c]

they're mutilating genitalia, people!

shit, i do that every weekend.

who wants a high five?

[TheMojoPin]

So are we, and it's appalling.

[disneyspy]

they're mutilating genitalia, people!


the jewish doctors started that,damn circumsisers

[jauble]

So are we, and it's appalling.

Oh shut it, we don't cut off the clitoris and we don't hold are women to such horrid standards. The majority of muslims in the US (and worldwide) don't practice this horseshit, but there is a separation.

[TheMojoPin]

Oh shut it, we don't cut off the clitoris and we don't hold are women to such horrid standards. The majority of muslims in the US (and worldwide) don't practice this horseshit, but there is a separation.

I know. It's still insane.

[hammersavage]

Oh shut it, we don't cut off the clitoris

can't cut off a myth

[disneyspy]

Oh shut it, we don't cut off the clitoris and we don't hold are women to such horrid standards. The majority of muslims in the US (and worldwide) don't practice this horseshit, but there is a separation.

i guess you were born with no foreskin?

[Marc with a c]

i've been thinking about going to iran where they are gayless. sounds like a dream come true.

[disneyspy]

i've been thinking about going to iran where they are gayless. sounds like a dream come true.

gonna educate them?

[TheMojoPin]

i've been thinking about going to iran where they are gayless. sounds like a dream come true.

So you can be the one true King of the Gays?

[jauble]

can't cut off a myth

You are definitely thinking of the g-spot.

[Marc with a c]

So you can be the one true King of the Gays?

i have my reasons.

[jauble]

You are definitely thinking of the g-spot.

or man ass

[sailor]

i have my reasons.

uncharted territory?

[disneyspy]

uncharted territory?


sailor for tail or rent
ass to let 50 cent
hes a man of means by no means
king of the load

dadumdumdum

[Marc with a c]

So you can be the one true King of the Gays?

uncharted territory?

i have my reasons.

[hanso]

Maybe there is a chance their sportscasters won't get suspended for how they pronounce an Arabic country.
http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85417

[opie's twisted balls]

What would you call an American protestant superchurch?
Disneyland


So are we, and it's appalling.
Pardon?


i guess you were born with no foreskin?
I still have mine, wanna see?

[Doctor Z]

And another...


http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CJTT96exy-6glgEQeBjCBDII4Ue42-_BGXI

Bow chicka-bow wow! LET'S SEE SOME ANKLE!

[opie's twisted balls]

Bow chicka-bow wow! LET'S SEE SOME ANKLE!
http://i50.tinypic.com/25gdjbr.jpg

[PapaBear]

sailor for tail or rent
ass to let 50 cent
hes a man of means by no means
king of the load

dadumdumdum
:lol:

[chazworth]

I know I'm new here, but I've got to say that I think I know about Muslims a little more than the average member here.

I'm in the military for over 15 years now....3 tours in Iraq and going to Afghanistan in 2 months.. these people are animals....yea, they look nice on TV and when they are interviewed...but try patrolling down one of their villages....shit.....I can't even explain it...

Anyway, Mojo, ...yes this is to you....grow up and stop being the psuedo-liberal that you pretend to be on this board....You sound like someone who has a nice job, comfortable living quarters, and a life-mate...stop sounding like you know it all....until you have walked on the path of a warrior... shut up!!

[opie's twisted balls]

yea, they look nice on TV and when they are interviewed
No, they don't! They look like rag headed muppet savages living in a part of the world that makes an over used litter box seem like a lush tropical garden.

[TheMojoPin]

Awwwww, I know who chazworth is.

BRB.

[PapaBear]

Awwwww, I know who chazworth is.

BRB.
:lol:

[Marc with a c]

name your favorite band.

no doubt.

[TheMojoPin]

reeshy, you do a really terrible job of trying to sneak back incognito.

Enjoy the IP ban.

[A.J.]

More or less that, people are getting their panties in a huge wad over nothing. Fortunately America is somehow tolerant enough to not go too crazy overboard with reactionary laws against South and Central Americans.

They've traditionally been homogeneous societies whereas we're a "melting pot". Europe is used to colonizing abroad, not from within.

If they're not part of the national landscape and heritage? Yes.

Obviously Catholic Churches are part of the history of Italy, Ireland, etc.

To start building them in Saudi Arabia or Iran would seem contradictory.

The last thing you'll ever see in Saudi Arabia is a church. All non-Muslim religious books and symbols are forbidden.

So you espect all nations to formally establish a national religion?

Saudi Arabia has. Islam only.

[boosterp]

reeshy, you do a really terrible job of trying to sneak back incognito.

Enjoy the IP ban.

/is he really a soldier or masquerading as one?

[~Katja~]

The Swiss aren't banning the religion, they are saying no to the building of minerettes. That's a big difference.
With the historic landscape of the towns and cities alone I can see why they would not want these buildings pop up left and right, same discussions have come up in every European country so far, as mosques are popping up left and right.
It isn't a building or the design thereof that makes up a religion and they continue to have the freedom of religion within the country.

[Syd]

It's still a strike against freedom of speech. It's not a limitation due to a historic district, it's a limitation due to the particular style of architecture for a particular religion. It's a law designed to target a specific portion of the populace; a huge no-no.

[~Katja~]

Freedom of speech? The swiss democratically voted and the majority was against it. The people of Switzerland spoke.
Existing Minarets will remain and they can continue to build mosques without minarets. How much were they really discriminated against in their freedom of speech and religious freedoms?
As AJ said, try building any religious institution that is not muslim in their countries, they won't even have the freedom to carry it's symbols.

[SatCam]

/is he really a soldier or masquerading as one?

i thought he was a murse

[SatCam]

Freedom of speech? The swiss democratically voted and the majority was against it. The people of Switzerland spoke.
Existing Minarets will remain and they can continue to build mosques without minarets. How much were they really discriminated against in their freedom of speech and religious freedoms?
As AJ said, try building any religious institution that is not muslim in their countries, they won't even have the freedom to carry it's symbols.

I first heard this story on bbc and that was mentioned as being a big feeling in Switzerland. If European religions are not welcomed in the middle east, why should middle eastern religions be welcomed in europe? An eye for an eye but does that make it right??

[~Katja~]

I first heard this story on bbc and that was mentioned as being a big feeling in Switzerland. If European religions are not welcomed in the middle east, why should middle eastern religions be welcomed in europe? An eye for an eye but does that make it right??
and again, the religion was not banned, neither were their religious institutions. Minarets already exist and mosques can be built. Their religion is still accepted and legal in Switzerland.

[A.J.]

I first heard this story on bbc and that was mentioned as being a big feeling in Switzerland. If European religions are not welcomed in the middle east, why should middle eastern religions be welcomed in europe? An eye for an eye but does that make it right??

That's not entirely true. While Islam is the "official" religion of most Middle East countries, churches are permitted in countries such as Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE. Jordan and Egypt have them too because there are Christian minorities living there.

Saudi Arabia won't allow other religions to be practiced there as it is the place where Islam originated and it's home to the Two Holy Mosques and the Kaaba.

[SatCam]

and again, the religion was not banned, neither were their religious institutions. Minarets already exist and mosques can be built. Their religion is still accepted and legal in Switzerland.

True true but the new law is generally accepted to be an attack on the islam religion and not islamic architecture. Earlier in the thread there was an image from the SVP's campaign where there was a picture of a scarved woman with minarets in the background that looked like warheads. They are trying to associate minarets with radical islam. But minarets really have nothing to do with radical islam. This move is not going to prevent the spread of radical islam (what they claim), it's going to eradicate all of islam (which I have a feeling the swiss feel the entire religion is militant)

[SatCam]

That's not entirely true. While Islam is the "official" religion of most Middle East countries, churches are permitted in countries such as Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE. Jordan and Egypt have them too because there are Christian minorities living there.

Whether or not that's true, that is what some Eurpoeans and some Americans have been trained to think

[Jujubees2]

So the ban is on building NEW Minarets – the shrewd businessperson would see this as a huge opportunity to import USED Minarets.

My alma mater, the University of Tampa, has a few minarets that could be had for the right price...

http://www.collegeprofiles.com/images/tampa.jpg

When I was in school there Rock the Casbah by The Clash was released and played at every party with everyone bellowing out "drop the bombs between the minarets"

[underdog]

Whether or not that's true, that is what some Eurpoeans and some Americans have been trained to think

We also think the Iranian people are our enemy. We're fucking idiots.

[joeybadass]

fuck those ragheads, yo

[boosterp]

We also think the Iranian people are our enemy. We're fucking idiots.

True, just their gov't sucks.

[hanso]

http://i.fhqhosting.com/d6341906d555-mickie%20dees%20funny.jpg
The way tech support is. These could be built there soon

[Dude!]

katja should be rightfully proud
of her germanic brethren

it's the only time in my life
that i can say something good
about these descendents of huns

to counteract the inevitable boycotts
by the children of satan
i will be buying mass quantities of:

swiss army knives
swiss chard
swiss watches
swiss chocolate
swiss steak
and swiss miss

Vive La Suisse!

[TheMojoPin]

I hope you fall off of a mountain.

[opie's twisted balls]

I hope you fall off of a mountain.
If he does a proud infidel St. Bernard will be there to rescue him.

[Dude!]

I hope you fall off of a mountain.

you should have said
"the Matterhorn"

my new favorite mountain

[TheMojoPin]

So, wait, there's only four minarets in the entire country?

[GregoryJoseph]

So, wait, there's only four minarets in the entire country?

Four too many, apparently.

[SatCam]

Apparently the French don't take kindly to towelheads either (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/world/europe/27france.html?ref=world)

A fractured panel of French legislators on Tuesday endorsed the idea of a ban on full facial veils in government offices, public hospitals and mass transit, but Parliament remains deeply divided over the effectiveness and constitutionality of such a law.

[Aggie]

Apparently the French don't take kindly to towelheads either (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/world/europe/27france.html?ref=world)

it's old news they don't like 'em. i think a year or two ago they were trying or did ban them from being able to cover their faces in picture id's.

[underdog]

it's old news they don't like 'em. i think a year or two ago they were trying or did ban them from being able to cover their faces in picture id's.

The French treat muslims the same way America treats latin americans.

France and America are incredibly alike, I think that's why we hate each other.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The French treat muslims the same way America treats latin americans.

France and America are incredibly alike, I think that's why we hate each other.

Are Muslims mowing lawns and driving drunk in France ?


Illegal immigration has ruined Western Europe, look at Holland, the UK, Spain , Germany and France as examples. Its become one big welfare state just like here

[hanso]

it's old news they don't like 'em. i think a year or two ago they were trying or did ban them from being able to cover their faces in picture id's.

In the driver licence? I see them driving this way sometimes.

[booster11373]

Are Muslims mowing lawns and driving drunk in France ?


Illegal immigration has ruined Western Europe, look at Holland, the UK, Spain , Germany and France as examples. Its become one big welfare state just like here

You are like a stupider Paul Revere

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are like a stupider Paul Revere

What a pathetic statement. Have you been to Europe you rube? I have. Might as well call it Eurabia

[SatCam]

Are Muslims mowing lawns and driving drunk in France ?


Illegal immigration has ruined Western Europe, look at Holland, the UK, Spain , Germany and France as examples. Its become one big welfare state just like here

http://www.journerdism.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/broken-record.jpg



Jezo does it better

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.journerdism.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/broken-record.jpg



Jezo does it better

The truth shall set you free

[SatCam]

What a pathetic statement. Have you been to Europe you rube? I have. Might as well call it Eurabia

I'm trying so hard to ignore the fact that you're attempting to tie Muslims in Europe to illegal immigration. It's taking every ounce of self control over here..........

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm trying so hard to ignore the fact that you're attempting to tie Muslims in Europe to illegal immigration. It's taking every ounce of self control over here..........

Wait youre denying that illegal immigration isnt a problem in Western Europe, ?


http://www.taurillon.org/Illegal-Immigration-vs-European

[SatCam]

Wait youre denying that illegal immigration isnt a problem in Western Europe, ?


http://www.taurillon.org/Illegal-Immigration-vs-European

Are you denying that every post you make on this board somehow tries to tie the topic at hand to illegal immigration?

[underdog]

What a pathetic statement. Have you been to Europe you rube? I have. Might as well call it Eurabia

All you see is illegal immigrants no matter where you go.

Yeah, Europe is RUINED by illegal immigration. It's such a terrible place now. Sure.

[nate1000]

I cannot believe that, after nine pages, this thread has not devolved into posting hot swedish girls. What is wrong with you people?

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/03/16-22/swedish.jpg

[Jujubees2]

I cannot believe that, after nine pages, this thread has not devolved into posting hot swedish girls. What is wrong with you people?

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/03/16-22/swedish.jpg

Well played Nate :clap::clap::clap: Well played

[topless_mike]

I cannot believe that, after nine pages, this thread has not devolved into posting hot swedish girls. What is wrong with you people?

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/03/16-22/swedish.jpg

as for someone that works for a swedish company and has been to sweden,
um yes, i can attest. not all, but alot of the girls do look like that.

[Dude!]

well khadafi has declared war...
"jihad"-style that is...
on little Switzerland

i hope switzerland
poisons all the chocolate
they send to moslem countries

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0e4477c760875565c06c17a58a6fecb 1.9c1&show_article=1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well khadafi has declared war...
"jihad"-style that is...
on little Switzerland

i hope switzerland
poisons all the chocolate
they send to moslem countries

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0e4477c760875565c06c17a58a6fecb 1.9c1&show_article=1

The swiss should send them this

http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20071218-Chocolate_Covered_Bacon_Recipe