Big Ten/Big East Realignment College Football

[Meataball23]

In my personal opinion, both of these conferences need a championship game for football. At current, the Big Ten only needs one more team to make this happen, while the Big East would need three.

Due to the fact that the Big East has about six teams that do not have a football team, simply adding an additional three wouldnt work because it would make the basketball conference too large.

Option 1: The Big East adds UCF and Memphis along with Villanova going from D-1AA (where they are excellent) to D1 and joins the Big East. Along with this move, DePaul and Marquette will be dropped from the conference. Also, Mizzouri defects from the Big12 and joins the Big Ten with Houston or TCU joining the Big 12

Option 2: Rutgers defects from the Big East and joins the Big Ten...nothing else happens except for the fact that RU beats up on Penn State and continues to be miserable in basketball.




Thoughts?

[JPMNICK]

In my personal opinion, both of these conferences need a championship game for football. At current, the Big Ten only needs one more team to make this happen, while the Big East would need three.

Due to the fact that the Big East has about six teams that do not have a football team, simply adding an additional three wouldnt work because it would make the basketball conference too large.

Option 1: The Big East adds UCF and Memphis along with Villanova going from D-1AA (where they are excellent) to D1 and joins the Big East. Along with this move, DePaul and Marquette will be dropped from the conference. Also, Mizzouri defects from the Big12 and joins the Big Ten with Houston or TCU joining the Big 12

Option 2: Rutgers defects from the Big East and joins the Big Ten...nothing else happens except for the fact that RU beats up on Penn State and continues to be miserable in basketball.




Thoughts?

you think RU football is going to beat PSU?

also for villanova, since they are already big east bball, adding them to football will not fuck things up to bad

[Meataball23]

you think RU football is going to beat PSU?

also for villanova, since they are already big east bball, adding them to football will not fuck things up to bad

I'll be a RU homer and say that PSU is tremendously overrated, it would could develop into a nice rivalry though.


And yeah the nova thing would keep the big east from having to dump more than two bball teams, plus there are legitimately good in 1AA and USF and UConn have made the jump nicely.

[JPMNICK]

I'll be a RU homer and say that PSU is tremendously overrated, it would could develop into a nice rivalry though.


And yeah the nova thing would keep the big east from having to dump more than two bball teams, plus there are legitimately good in 1AA and USF and UConn have made the jump nicely.

i love RU as much as the next guy, but PSU would beat them by 45 every year for the last 10 years, except ray rice's senior year

[IMSlacker]

Some day, Notre Dame will join the Big 10.

[Snoogans]

Rutgers actually will prob be choice number 1 just because they fit the profile. They want the NY market, and RU is a public land grant state university. They will lean away from Pitt because they have Penn State already.

if Missou takes it its theirs, I think they go for Rutgers after that. I have mixed feelings, but it would prob make Rutgers a better football program. It would do alot.

In terms of just expanding the big east, its tough. They would have to kick out basketball only schools to do it. Should be interesting.

and ND already said no to the Big Ten

[ozzie]

Some day, Notre Dame will join the Big 10.

Only if they didn't have to share any football money...

...which aint happenin.

[El Mudo]

Some day, Notre Dame will join the Big 10.

Why would they? It would cost them too much money to do so.


I think Pitt is the best choice because of geography (and natural rivalries with Penn State and the entire State of Ohio).

Its always seemed odd to me that Iowa State is in the Big 12, and Iowa is in the Big 10. Maybe they just go the easy route and take ISU, and TCU (or Boise) joins the 12

[Meataball23]

Why would they? It would cost them too much money to do so.


I think Pitt is the best choice because of geography (and natural rivalries with Penn State and the entire State of Ohio).

Its always seemed odd to me that Iowa State is in the Big 12, and Iowa is in the Big 10. Maybe they just go the easy route and take ISU, and TCU (or Boise) joins the 12

I dont hate that at all. If Iowa St. or Mizzou joins the big ten, I think Boise would be a great addition to the big 12 north

And I agree that Pitt is a more sensible fit for the Big 10 than Rutgers but people in the Big 10 (incorrectly) believe that RU is the NYC market and they're attracted to that. Im a big RU supporter but I can say from living in NYC that no one gives a crap about the rut unless you went there.

Ideally this changes over time and with continued success, but Rutgers is not NY's college football team.

Also going back to my original point, I wouldnt hate it if RU went to the Big Ten. It would give me a nice reason to officially hate OSU, PSU, and Michigan other than, "I just dont like them"

[JPMNICK]

I dont hate that at all. If Iowa St. or Mizzou joins the big ten, I think Boise would be a great addition to the big 12 north

And I agree that Pitt is a more sensible fit for the Big 10 than Rutgers but people in the Big 10 (incorrectly) believe that RU is the NYC market and they're attracted to that. Im a big RU supporter but I can say from living in NYC that no one gives a crap about the rut unless you went there.

Ideally this changes over time and with continued success, but Rutgers is not NY's college football team.

Also going back to my original point, I wouldnt hate it if RU went to the Big Ten. It would give me a nice reason to officially hate OSU, PSU, and Michigan other than, "I just dont like them"

NYC has no college team at all. the interesting thing is on saturday every bar in NYC has alum events for basically every big school in the country.

FSU, Florida, Ohio State, Miami..... list goes on. every bar run alum deals, and if you were just placed into this bar you would swear you were on campus.

I don't think even if rutgers got good that NYC would ever jump on the bandwagon

[Jujubees2]

I don't see Villanova moving to BCS football. It would be too costly.

As for the Big East, I can see the non-football schools eventually breaking off into another conference (maybe still staying under the BE umbrella). It would be a catholic school conference with St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, Georgetown, Notre Dame, DePaul and Villanova.

As for the BE going to a championships game I don’t think they're interested. It costs too much and if you don’t have the right match-up attendance is weak.

[Meataball23]

Yeah I do love the NYC school bar thing

You have to remember that RU basically didnt have a football team 10 years ago so its impossible to compare them and their fans to any of the big schools.

With continued success and stability I really think RU can get to a level where they can be a big established program

[Snoogans]

I dont hate that at all. If Iowa St. or Mizzou joins the big ten, I think Boise would be a great addition to the big 12 north

And I agree that Pitt is a more sensible fit for the Big 10 than Rutgers but people in the Big 10 (incorrectly) believe that RU is the NYC market and they're attracted to that. Im a big RU supporter but I can say from living in NYC that no one gives a crap about the rut unless you went there.

Ideally this changes over time and with continued success, but Rutgers is not NY's college football team.

Also going back to my original point, I wouldnt hate it if RU went to the Big Ten. It would give me a nice reason to officially hate OSU, PSU, and Michigan other than, "I just dont like them"

Bullshit. Its just like any other NY team. When they are good people care. How soon people seem to forget the Scarlet red Empire State building they had.

I think people would care MORE about them too if they were Big Ten. And when they say NYC market in terms of big ten expansion they arent really talking about ratings, they are talking about recruiting. it will give them a presence in the NY market for recruiting

[Snoogans]

Yeah I do love the NYC school bar thing

You have to remember that RU basically didnt have a football team 10 years ago so its impossible to compare them and their fans to any of the big schools.



they have had a football team since November of 1869

[Snoogans]

I don't think even if rutgers got good that NYC would ever jump on the bandwagon

THEY ALREADY DID. scarlet empire state building and the highest rated game on espn college football was because NYC jumped on Rutgers bandwagon.

Did you guys like just start watching college football? They already have some impact on the market. Before 5 years ago, Rutgers was NEVER on nationally, usually not even local. Now almost every game is on. you guys are fooling yourselves

[Meataball23]

THEY ALREADY DID. scarlet empire state building and the highest rated game on espn college football was because NYC jumped on Rutgers bandwagon.

Did you guys like just start watching college football? They already have some impact on the market. Before 5 years ago, Rutgers was NEVER on nationally, usually not even local. Now almost every game is on. you guys are fooling yourselves

I was at the game against l'ville and this is pre moving to nyc so I took the empire state building thing w/ a grain of salt. I agree that winning is the quickest way to get nyc on the bandwagon but as far as building an actual fan base I think its going to take more than 5 trips to crappy bowl games...and im speaking truly as a guy in nyc not as a RU fan.

they have had a football team since November of 1869


Ahh so soon I forget:lol:

[Meataball23]

THEY ALREADY DID. scarlet empire state building and the highest rated game on espn college football was because NYC jumped on Rutgers bandwagon.

Did you guys like just start watching college football? They already have some impact on the market. Before 5 years ago, Rutgers was NEVER on nationally, usually not even local. Now almost every game is on. you guys are fooling yourselves

Also be fair about this last bit...

The cuse & maryland games werent on tv and those 100% should have been picked up by SNY and not relegated to obsurity by espn360

Not sure whos fault that is, but any time there is a supposed rivalry RU & Cuse, that has to be televised in our area and it wasnt

[Snoogans]

Also be fair about this last bit...

The cuse & maryland games werent on tv and those 100% should have been picked up by SNY and not relegated to obsurity by espn360

Not sure whos fault that is, but any time there is a supposed rivalry RU & Cuse, that has to be televised in our area and it wasnt

SNY is not rutgers deal. Its the big east game of the week deal. The Big East actually chooses what games will be on that. But still Rutgers had 3 games nationally and 10 on tv this year. 7 years ago they would be lucky to even have the games against Miami on TV.

And again, when the Big Ten says Rutgers for the NY market, they arent talking about viewers, they are talkin about the recruiting market. It has nothing to do with fans. Rutgers joining the Big Ten would give them a big foothold on all the prospects from NY/NJ/CT that currently go to the big east

[Freitag]

To be a Rutgers homer (even though I'm a WVU fan)... they are going to be very, VERY good on offense if Savage and Sanu continue to develop. And the D is always good.

I would say, at this point, Savage may end up better than Teel.

[Snoogans]

To be a Rutgers homer (even though I'm a WVU fan)... they are going to be very, VERY good on offense if Savage and Sanu continue to develop. And the D is always good.

I would say, at this point, Savage may end up better than Teel.

May? He is already better than Teel. Fuck that bum

[Meataball23]

May? He is already better than Teel. Fuck that bum

Savage is a man child. 6'4'' with a cannon and some mobility, when hes a junior hes going to be one of the best qb's in the nation

Lock it up!

[Snoogans]

Savage is a man child. 6'4'' with a cannon and some mobility, when hes a junior hes going to be one of the best qb's in the nation

Lock it up!

i hesitate to say this kind of stuff because who knows what can happen, but he is a beast, and he can make any throw.

If if gets better at reading defenses and the accuracy fully comes around he could be a first round NFL type QB but thats still a long way off

[joeyballsack]

This is the big topic of sports discussion the past few days in the Syracuse area.

Boeheim is vehemently against moving though, so I doubt its going to happen.

[Meataball23]

i hesitate to say this kind of stuff because who knows what can happen, but he is a beast, and he can make any throw.

If if gets better at reading defenses and the accuracy fully comes around he could be a first round NFL type QB but thats still a long way off

Definitely a long way to go, but the tools are definitely there as a true frosh

This is the big topic of sports discussion the past few days in the Syracuse area.

Boeheim is vehemently against moving though, so I doubt its going to happen.

I can see this from a bball perspective Big East is much better for bball. Cuse, l'ville, uconn, nova are always good. Cant say that about anyone in the Big 10

[ozzie]

Everything I've read indicates that the Big 10 experienced a huge windfall from the addition of Penn State, and they've been looking to expand even further East.

Adding Mizzou adds little (besides a 12th school) to the conference, and Iowa State brings nothing "geographically" to the table.

[JimBeam]

I know it's a minor detail but has there been any mention of what the new Big 10's name would be ?

As far as teams go from what I understand they are looking for a team that generates money w/ their football program ( so do both Missouri and Rytgers do so ? ) and also can fit into the academic profile of the other Big 10 schools ( again I don't know anything about the details of such for either of these 2 schools ).

I do agree w/ what several have said about people in NYC and the surrounding areas possibly jumping in the Rutgers bandwagon if they won. NYC, even w/ its droves of transplants, is very bandwagony and I think they'd rally behind a local team if they became really good.

Now I don't know that these new fans would travel to away games or bowl games like the fans of the big schools do and I'm not sure if it would impact even their home games but putting out a quality product in a major BCS conference would help them from a national perspective with both recruiting and exposure.

Now as far as the Big East expanding goes they can't just arbitrarily add Villanova.

You have to meet certain criteria in order to be considered an FBS ( old D1 ) school and 1 of the points is attendance. Does Villanova draw enough fans to be considered a FBS school ?

remember this isn't just what the Big East would want. It's about what the NCAA would allow.

A few years back there was some talk, mostly amongst football fans, about wanting too boot Vanderbilt from the SEC.

Outside of being a regionally different from the other Big 10 schools I think they'd fit the academic model and are competetive, especially to Big 10 standards, in other non-football sports.

This wouldn't happen even if the Big 10 wanted it to because I think the SEC likes having a school with some academic credibility within its league.

When this all happens it's gonna put the PAC10 on notice that it'll have to add 2 teams in order to get a conference title game as well.

They are not strong enough to be the one to go against the grain and I think they have more than enough possible candidates in their area to add 2 teams.

[Snoogans]

I know it's a minor detail but has there been any mention of what the new Big 10's name would be ?

As far as teams go from what I understand they are looking for a team that generates money w/ their football program ( so do both Missouri and Rytgers do so ? ) and also can fit into the academic profile of the other Big 10 schools ( again I don't know anything about the details of such for either of these 2 schools ).

I do agree w/ what several have said about people in NYC and the surrounding areas possibly jumping in the Rutgers bandwagon if they won. NYC, even w/ its droves of transplants, is very bandwagony and I think they'd rally behind a local team if they became really good.

Now I don't know that these new fans would travel to away games or bowl games like the fans of the big schools do and I'm not sure if it would impact even their home games but putting out a quality product in a major BCS conference would help them from a national perspective with both recruiting and exposure.

Now as far as the Big East expanding goes they can't just arbitrarily add Villanova.

You have to meet certain criteria in order to be considered an FBS ( old D1 ) school and 1 of the points is attendance. Does Villanova draw enough fans to be considered a FBS school ?

remember this isn't just what the Big East would want. It's about what the NCAA would allow.

A few years back there was some talk, mostly amongst football fans, about wanting too boot Vanderbilt from the SEC.

Outside of being a regionally different from the other Big 10 schools I think they'd fit the academic model and are competetive, especially to Big 10 standards, in other non-football sports.

This wouldn't happen even if the Big 10 wanted it to because I think the SEC likes having a school with some academic credibility within its league.

When this all happens it's gonna put the PAC10 on notice that it'll have to add 2 teams in order to get a conference title game as well.

They are not strong enough to be the one to go against the grain and I think they have more than enough possible candidates in their area to add 2 teams.

ok ill try to address this best I can

in terms of generating money, Rutgers does pretty well. they have some pretty wealthy boosters and the recent expansion of the stadium helps, esp if its now being filled for games vs michigan or Ohio State. money from Rutgers would be no problem. Mizzou I have no idea. Rutgers also has won awards for athletic academics, and fits the public land grant state university profile exactly. Cuse is private, pitt is prob too close to penn state to open up new areas. Mizzou I dont know

Nova doesnt have to draw x amount, they just have to have a certain capacity. Whether they show or not doesnt matter, or louisville would be out. Nova could move up, its whether the school wants to spend the extra money to do so. The league wants them. The NCAA cant really stop Nova as long as they match requirements. But again those requirements are basically: Seating Capacity (not attendance), Total dollars spent on the program and number of scholarships given. If nova steps up to those thresholds the NCAA cant stop them, and prob wouldnt want to because they have 34 bowls now, which is 68 teams. There is 120 in FBS and I think they want at least a half type deal. It feels like they wanna get back to bowl eligible teams not all getting bowls, to make them more prestigious. I think eventually they are prob gonna want 140 teams and 35 bowls, which they will have next year with the yankee bowl

Rutgers already travels very well, in fact they were sayin on scout and espn that rutgers woulda got the gator bowl over pitt if they beat WV cause Rutgers travels better. again cause of the proximity to NYC, they have alot of money in their fanbase

Pac 10 will eventually expand just because it sets up perfectly. They will prob go after boise st obviously, and then im thinkin maybe Utah to try to open up more area. I thought Fresno at first cause its a perfect fit but that isnt much different than Cal in terms of geography. Hawaii is no longer an option cause they blow now.

[JimBeam]

I don't see what Missouri gets out of the move if they were the choice.

I'd say maybe it makes them a bigger fish in a smaller pond with regards to football and basketball but is it really that attarctive to them ?

I'd say a Pitt or a Rutgers makes more sense for the league itself.

Is WVU under consideration at all ?

I think they should've joined the ACC instead of BC.

[Snoogans]

I don't see what Missouri gets out of the move if they were the choice.

I'd say maybe it makes them a bigger fish in a smaller pond with regards to football and basketball but is it really that attarctive to them ?

I'd say a Pitt or a Rutgers makes more sense for the league itself.

Is WVU under consideration at all ?

I think they should've joined the ACC instead of BC.

i havent heard them and they already kinda said they wanna stay. They have a huge advantage in that they are the perenial best team in teh big east, so they can pull kids pretty easy on that.

The way I have heard it, the pecking order is currently

Mizzou
Rutgers
Cuse
Pitt

They dont want pitt as much cause its not far from penn state so it wont open a new recruiting area or bring the big ten network to a new region.

They want Rutgers it seems the most out of the Big East cause the academics are solid, its a public, big state run univ, they are friendly with Penn State who seems to want us over Pitt. Plus it will open up recruiting in NJ and NY which have gotten ALOT better with HS football, plus northern and eastern PA and even NE. Also, just having Rutgers in the conf will basically cause the big ten network to be picked up by NY cable companies that dont have it already

[Meataball23]

I havent really understood the mizzou talk either, but I keep seeing their name pop up in related articles.

The more I think about it/read snoogans' posts RU to the BigTen makes sense and Id be 100% for it both as a fan and alumni

If we're gonna throw boise into the pac-10 whos the other school? New Mexico/Nevada/Utah?

[JimBeam]

Yeah Pitt doesn't seem to make a lot of sense w/ Penn St being close.

Have you heard anything at all about a possible name for the conference ?

I could see them keeping it as the Big 10 even w/ 12 teams.

Thye've done it w/ 11 teams for almost 20 years now.

[Snoogans]

I havent really understood the mizzou talk either, but I keep seeing their name pop up in related articles.

The more I think about it/read snoogans' posts RU to the BigTen makes sense and Id be 100% for it both as a fan and alumni

If we're gonna throw boise into the pac-10 whos the other school? New Mexico/Nevada?

I HATED the idea at first. But the more I think about it, the more I like it. For one, its instant credibility and gives them even more help in recruiting, which Schiano seems to do pretty well. How you get 12 kids from Florida to come to Jersey is amazing. Also, I really hate the big ten and almost all of its teams. So getting to have even more reason to hate them is pretty cool. And gettin to see Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State and them every year in piscataway seems like a hell of a time.

If they put it to a vote, Id prob vote go to the Big Ten. And Id definately vote Fuck Ohio State

[JimBeam]

I havent really understood the mizzou talk either, but I keep seeing their name pop up in related articles.

The more I think about it/read snoogans' posts RU to the BigTen makes sense and Id be 100% for it both as a fan and alumni

If we're gonna throw boise into the pac-10 whos the other school? New Mexico/Nevada/Utah?

I'd think Fresno St or San Jose St might get the nod.

Neither are as trendy as a Boise St right now but might be able to withstand a more status quo over the long haul than a Boise St.

Not that those 2 wouldn't stink in a new PAC12 but I think Boise St would be relegated to a Duke of the PAC12 if they joined that conference.

[Snoogans]

I havent really understood the mizzou talk either, but I keep seeing their name pop up in related articles.

The more I think about it/read snoogans' posts RU to the BigTen makes sense and Id be 100% for it both as a fan and alumni

If we're gonna throw boise into the pac-10 whos the other school? New Mexico/Nevada/Utah?

I thought BYU but i dont think they want that type of school. So prob Utah, i dont think any of the other schools are good enough. MAYBE nevada, Maybe

[Meataball23]

I HATED the idea at first. But the more I think about it, the more I like it. For one, its instant credibility and gives them even more help in recruiting, which Schiano seems to do pretty well. How you get 12 kids from Florida to come to Jersey is amazing. Also, I really hate the big ten and almost all of its teams. So getting to have even more reason to hate them is pretty cool. And gettin to see Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State and them every year in piscataway seems like a hell of a time.

If they put it to a vote, Id prob vote go to the Big Ten. And Id definately vote Fuck Ohio State

totally agree and it would help with the national academic prestige to be in conference with those schools

It would be great to have a built in reason to hate OSU and Michigan

[JimBeam]

Would there be any reason for Rutgers to not join ?

[Snoogans]

Would there be any reason for Rutgers to not join ?

its prob easier to be a top team in the big east. They have been in it a long time, they are EAST and they are catchin up to the teams around them. Who the fuck woulda thought 8-4 would ever be looked at as a disappointing year at Rutgers?

Also they already suck at basketball being in one of the 2 marquee conf. So big ten wont help that. also more travel but i dont think that really matters.

[epo]

I HATED the idea at first. But the more I think about it, the more I like it. For one, its instant credibility and gives them even more help in recruiting, which Schiano seems to do pretty well. How you get 12 kids from Florida to come to Jersey is amazing. Also, I really hate the big ten and almost all of its teams. So getting to have even more reason to hate them is pretty cool. And gettin to see Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State and them every year in piscataway seems like a hell of a time.

If they put it to a vote, Id prob vote go to the Big Ten. And Id definately vote Fuck Ohio State

We all hate Ohio State so you'll be welcomed with open arms.

[NateCantDance]

Wati, if Rutgers joins the Big Ten, then who will the Gophers play in the Jiffy Popcorn Bowl every year?

[Meataball23]

The insight bowl was rutgers' first and one of the best/weird "i cant believe im watching this" moments of my fandom life.

So enjoy where the gophers are!



Also in the spirit of what this thread has become, RU would fit right in with the Big Ten in stadium size with the gophers, hoosiers, wildcats, and illini.

Get RU in the BigTen!

[Snoogans]

The insight bowl was rutgers' first and one of the best/weird "i cant believe im watching this" moments of my fandom life.

So enjoy where the gophers are!



Also in the spirit of what this thread has become, RU would fit right in with the Big Ten in stadium size with the gophers, hoosiers, wildcats, and illini.

Get RU in the BigTen!

and the way the stadium is set, they could probably figure a way to close the 2nd deck on the old end of the stadium and bring it from 54 up to like 70 if they ever wanted to in the future. That would be way down the line but if they go to the big ten, some day they will probably close the entire bowl upstairs and try to pack it with like 80000-90000

[JimBeam]

How is Rutgers' grad school ?

One of the things I heard earlier in the week was that the Big 10 prides itself on it's graduate programs and that it's an aspect that they think sets them apart from other conferences.

[Snoogans]

How is Rutgers' grad school ?

One of the things I heard earlier in the week was that the Big 10 prides itself on it's graduate programs and that it's an aspect that they think sets them apart from other conferences.

pretty good. Good law program and a great business school

[Meataball23]

How is Rutgers' grad school ?

One of the things I heard earlier in the week was that the Big 10 prides itself on it's graduate programs and that it's an aspect that they think sets them apart from other conferences.

Yeah I think academically they can stand with any school in the BigTen outside of Northwestern.

As a homer, I'll absolutely defend RU academically against Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Illinois.

RU, like UNC, is a sneaky good state school who will let their residents in but make it very difficult for out of staters to get in.

[epo]

Yeah I think academically they can stand with any school in the BigTen outside of Northwestern.

As a homer, I'll absolutely defend RU academically against Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, and Illinois.

RU, like UNC, is a sneaky good state school who will let their residents in but make it very difficult for out of staters to get in.

Michigan, Wisconsin and Illinois all rank above Northwestern in academics.

By the numbers (http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp), Rutgers would be an average academic Big Ten school, which is still a great school.

[JimBeam]

I was gonna say that I thought Michigan was considered the best of all those schools.

[Meataball23]

Michigan, Wisconsin and Illinois all rank above Northwestern in academics.

By the numbers (http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp), Rutgers would be an average academic Big Ten schooll, which is still a great school.

That is a very interesting list.

Fuck you Munich!!

[epo]

I was gonna say that I thought Michigan was considered the best of all those schools.

Its Wisconsin...but who is counting?

[Meataball23]

Its Wisconsin...but who is counting?

As a badger, do you think the rut fits in the big ten?

Are you for expansion for the title game?

[epo]

As a badger, do you think the rut fits in the big ten?

Are you for expansion for the title game?

I'm not a huge fan of the title game, as I think it takes a bit away from the regular season. However that's a different argument for a different time.

But if they insist upon expanding to 12, I do think that Rutgers is a nice fit. Their level of academics fits the profile of the conference and their sports teams are a nice match. Plus lets face facts, more exposure on the east coast is a really good thing for the conference.

[JimBeam]

I didn't see Notre Dame on that list.

Surely Florida State, in the 2nd 100, isn't a better school than ND is it ?

Did I overlook them ?

[Meataball23]

I'm not a huge fan of the title game, as I think it takes a bit away from the regular season. However that's a different argument for a different time.

But if they insist upon expanding to 12, I do think that Rutgers is a nice fit. Their level of academics fits the profile of the conference and their sports teams are a nice match. Plus lets face facts, more exposure on the east coast is a really good thing for the conference.

Hey fuckin now! I like it!

Lets put pen to paper and get this thing done!

It would be great to play the big ten football schedule, the national exposure for academics would be great, not getting invited to crappy bowls after 8 wins would be a plus, and a conference title game to play for would be awesome.

Lock it up!

[Meataball23]

I didn't see Notre Dame on that list.

Surely Florida State, in the 2nd 100, isn't a better school than ND is it ?

Did I overlook them ?

ND is so overrated, but yeah...not a stretch to think theyre a better institution than FSU

[epo]

ND is so overrated, but yeah...not a stretch to think theyre a better institution than FSU

Outside of their business programs, ND is a fucking joke.

[Snoogans]

I'm not a huge fan of the title game, as I think it takes a bit away from the regular season. However that's a different argument for a different time.

But if they insist upon expanding to 12, I do think that Rutgers is a nice fit. Their level of academics fits the profile of the conference and their sports teams are a nice match. Plus lets face facts, more exposure on the east coast is a really good thing for the conference.

actually the title game will help. And i dont mean money which is why they want it. But the big 10 champ always has an extra week of rust for the rose bowl or champ because they dont play that weekend

[Snoogans]

i thought Tennessee was number 1 for academics?

[Knowledged_one]

I could see Iowa St. Jumping from the big 12 to join the big 10

I could also see the Big 10 trying to move east and getting a team like Rutgers, WVU or also Pitt. To me Pitt fits the mold of the big 10, slow and plodding.

But you also have to remember its also about basketball as well. And would Rutgers really fit in with the Big 10 basketball wise better then a school like Iowa St, Pitt or WVU becuase they for sure would add them in all sports not just football.

I also agree with Snoogans about the Pac 10. Boise St. is pretty much a no brainer football wise and same with Utah as they fit in both football and basketball wise. If the Pac 10 would choose Boise St. they would likely infuse them with money to build their basketball program. Otherwise I could see them going with both Utah and Utah St. as Utah St. has a resepectable competitive (read not a cream puff) at 4-8 and i think has been in the NCAA tournament for basketball more then a few times over the past 5 years

The Big East is just such a mess between football / basketball with different teams being in one and not the other (like Villanova, Notre Dame, etc)

[Snoogans]

I could see Iowa St. Jumping from the big 12 to join the big 10

I could also see the Big 10 trying to move east and getting a team like Rutgers, WVU or also Pitt. To me Pitt fits the mold of the big 10, slow and plodding.

But you also have to remember its also about basketball as well. And would Rutgers really fit in with the Big 10 basketball wise better then a school like Iowa St, Pitt or WVU becuase they for sure would add them in all sports not just football.



no its not at all about basketball. UCONN is one of the top basketball teams in the country. They earned 12 million dollars last fiscal year, the basketball program. The UConn football team is SHIT compared to the basketball team and makes more money, and thats in the big east.

This decision is going to be 100% about whats best for football, football revenue, markets, and academics and basketball will make ZERO difference in the decision. And basketball in NJ would open up the same type of recruiting area to the big ten as for football, so that wouldnt matter.

You think iowa st would be a good fit, because you dont think about it from the point the decision is made on. Thats why NO ONE has even seriously considered iowa st as a canidate. Cause for the purpose of expansion in football, it almost makes ZERO sense. It would add nothing but another team.

Basketball is well and good and at a basketball first school like duke its most important, but aside from maybe indiana and mich/mich state, it wont even be a consideration for the schools in the conf. This is a strickly football and cash decision

[Snoogans]

The Big East is just such a mess between football / basketball with different teams being in one and not the other (like Villanova, Notre Dame, etc)

they are going to kick out basketball only schools in the big east when they add football schools. They have to pretty much

[Knowledged_one]

no its not at all about basketball. UCONN is one of the top basketball teams in the country. They earned 12 million dollars last fiscal year, the basketball program. The UConn football team is SHIT compared to the basketball team and makes more money, and thats in the big east.

This decision is going to be 100% about whats best for football, football revenue, markets, and academics and basketball will make ZERO difference in the decision. And basketball in NJ would open up the same type of recruiting area to the big ten as for football, so that wouldnt matter.

You think iowa st would be a good fit, because you dont think about it from the point the decision is made on. Thats why NO ONE has even seriously considered iowa st as a canidate. Cause for the purpose of expansion in football, it almost makes ZERO sense. It would add nothing but another team.

Basketball is well and good and at a basketball first school like duke its most important, but aside from maybe indiana and mich/mich state, it wont even be a consideration for the schools in the conf. This is a strickly football and cash decision

Its easy to say that but when schools start complaining about their basketball RPI dropping and those conferences start losing at large NCAA bids it will come up. And Purdue, Wisconsin and Ohio State would surely complain if Rutgers is added to the Big 10 for basketball, i have lived in the midwest and those schools are crazy for basketball as they are for football, and the school presidents will not make these decsions based solely on football decisions. While true the bowl money is big but its split within the conference, i believe and i could be wrong but I think NCAA tournament money stays with the school not split in conference. And UConn is not that dreadful at football to the point they are an embarrasment, especially since they started playing big boy football what 10 years ago?

Basketball would play a bigger role in this then i think you think it would.

And Iowa St. makes more sense geographically was more my point, but i also said that if the big 10 expands east their better choices would be either Pitt or WVU as they help in both basketball and football while Rutgers is a middling football program and virtually non-existent basketball wise.

[Snoogans]

And Iowa St. makes more sense geographically was more my point, but i also said that if the big 10 expands east their better choices would be either Pitt or WVU as they help in both basketball and football while Rutgers is a middling football program and virtually non-existent basketball wise.

but you are completely wrong about this. First of all, Rutgers is not good at basketball, but I wouldnt call a team that is 8-2 a non existant program. And the big east is way better than the big ten. its not like you are taking a team from the sun belt or something.

And no they dont make more sense geographically. they make NO sense. There are 2 main points to EXPANSION. To get a title game, and to EXPAND. You dont want teams in the same places you already have them. Thats why Pitt and Iowa St is so far behind Rutgers when people talk about candidates. You want to open up new areas. What good does it do the big ten adding a team in a market they already have a team and their network in? it adds nothing.

The same goes for basketball. Your theory is bacially sayin like NBA wants to expand, it would be a good idea to put a team in Miami. No it wouldnt, they already have one. Same with Iowa.

And I wouldnt call Rutgers a middling program. People forget so quick how much money they have to throw into that program. When the whole country was cutting back from the markets tanking, rutgers spent 130 million dollars on the stadium. And oh yea, THEY TRAVEL BETTER THAN PITT. If they had beaten west virginia, they woulda got the #3 big east bowl ahead of pitt even though they finished behind them because Rutgers actually sells more tickets away. Once again you are lookin at it from the wrong places.

[disneyspy]

as a midwesterner and huge Big 10 fan i'd much rather have a rutgers than another team from iowa join,the Big 10 made a nice move east with penn state and adding another team from the east would be huge just for more exposure

[Snoogans]

as a midwesterner and huge Big 10 fan i'd much rather have a rutgers than another team from iowa join,the Big 10 made a nice move east with penn state and adding another team from the east would be huge just for more exposure

plus i really believe Rutgers is a better program that fuckin Iowa St. Id put them head to head without hesitation as of today and going into next year.

i might be talkin out my ass cause the only thing I know for sure about Iowa St is that Seneca Wallace went there. But fuck them. I do know adding a school in a state they have a school doesnt seem too smart to me.

And WV is like 55 miles from PA so thats not exactly expanding to new markets

[disneyspy]

plus i really believe Rutgers is a better program that fuckin Iowa St. Id put them head to head without hesitation as of today and going into next year.

i might be talkin out my ass cause the only thing I know for sure about Iowa St is that Seneca Wallace went there. But fuck them. I do know adding a school in a state they have a school doesnt seem too smart to me.

And WV is like 55 miles from PA so thats not exactly expanding to new markets

you're going to like the Big10 network,theres womens volleyball on all the time and illinois team is stocked with hot blondes and basketball every night plus some of the best games i watched this year where on the big ten over flow networks(theres 4 of them)

[Snoogans]

you're going to like the Big10 network,theres womens volleyball on all the time and illinois team is stocked with hot blondes and basketball every night plus some of the best games i watched this year where on the big ten over flow networks(theres 4 of them)

ive seen it some on certain websites, but only for football games. And just cause i found it going through 10 pages, and incase KO tries to call it out about the traveling and tickets, i dont wanna find it again later

The precipice is even steeper for Pitt. Should the Panthers -- who were ranked in the Top 10 last week -- lose to Cincinnati, they could fall all the way to the Papajohns.com or St. Petersburg Bowl. The Meineke Car Care Bowl appears to have little interest in Pitt and would rather take Rutgers, which it believes will bring more fans.

[Knowledged_one]

Come on snoogans thats not my style i may disagree with you but i wont resort to that.
overall the big 10 sucks anyway

[JimBeam]

Basketball would be discussed but it wouldn't be a major factor in the decision.

Remember that the ACC, widely knowns as a basketball conference, added Miami which was nothing in basketball.

That was to get Miami and it's huge football following into the league.

Rutgers could get the same boost in basketball recruiting that they'd get in football if they joined the Big 10.

And I agree that Iowa St isn't a viable candidate.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Remember that the ACC, widely knowns as a basketball conference, added Miami which was nothing in basketball.


How can you say they were nothing in basketball. They made it to the sweet 16 a few years ago and were Big East champs that same year. Granted they joined the ACC to bolster the football side, but it does help the basketball program by playing Duke and North Carolina every year.

Speaking of the ACC rumor is Boston College might leave. It's not a good fit for them.

[JimBeam]

I meant nothing as being a consistent fixture in the NCAA scheme of things.

Also in comparison to the schools that they joined in the league that basketball resume would be nothing.

Speaking of the ACC rumor is Boston College might leave. It's not a good fit for them.

I never thought that made sense.

As I said in a previous post it should've been WVU that joined the ACC.

If it's true that BC would leave would they be a consideration for the Big 10 ?

If so WVU could go to the ACC and BC could fill that Big 10 spot.

[disneyspy]

Come on snoogans thats not my style i may disagree with you but i wont resort to that.
overall the big 10 sucks anyway

ya thats why they consistantly have a team in the final four and a team ranked in the top 10 at the end of each football season,you're not very knowledgeable

[Warren Peace]

In my personal opinion, both of these conferences need a championship game for football. At current, the Big Ten only needs one more team to make this happen, while the Big East would need three.

Due to the fact that the Big East has about six teams that do not have a football team, simply adding an additional three wouldnt work because it would make the basketball conference too large.

Option 1: The Big East adds UCF and Memphis along with Villanova going from D-1AA (where they are excellent) to D1 and joins the Big East. Along with this move, DePaul and Marquette will be dropped from the conference. Also, Mizzouri defects from the Big12 and joins the Big Ten with Houston or TCU joining the Big 12

Option 2: Rutgers defects from the Big East and joins the Big Ten...nothing else happens except for the fact that RU beats up on Penn State and continues to be miserable in basketball.

Thoughts?

Regarding Villanova, they're going to need to build a big ass football stadium because Temple has the Linc locked up.

Missouri won't happen because the academics aren't up to snuff.

[Snoogans]

I meant nothing as being a consistent fixture in the NCAA scheme of things.

Also in comparison to the schools that they joined in the league that basketball resume would be nothing.



I never thought that made sense.

As I said in a previous post it should've been WVU that joined the ACC.

If it's true that BC would leave would they be a consideration for the Big 10 ?

If so WVU could go to the ACC and BC could fill that Big 10 spot.

they would prob go back to the big east. I dont think BC would do as much to open up the NY area market as Rutgers would open up New England

[Snoogans]

Regarding Villanova, they're going to need to build a big ass football stadium because Temple has the Linc locked up.

Missouri won't happen because the academics aren't up to snuff.

you only need like 29000 seats i think to be 1A

The more and more I hear and see about the Big Ten's preferences, the more it looks like they are gonna go Rutgers first. Especially since Joe Pa has a hard on for Rutgers for some reason

[Meataball23]

you only need like 29000 seats i think to be 1A

The more and more I hear and see about the Big Ten's preferences, the more it looks like they are gonna go Rutgers first. Especially since Joe Pa has a hard on for Rutgers for some reason

How could he not have a hard on for RU?? Did you see the beat down in the trop?

Ugh, yet another reason why Ive completely reversed my Big Ten relocation position...good bowl games.

If RU gets to 7/8 wins in the Big Ten they get the alamo bowl or something cool, not the st. pete

[Knowledged_one]

ya thats why they consistantly have a team in the final four and a team ranked in the top 10 at the end of each football season,you're not very knowledgeable

Yeah well they wouldnt have a team in the top 10 if they had to play a championship game. Seriously i watched big 10 football and basketball for like 5 years. Its god awful boring. To me its a suck ass conference and has fallen way way behind the other big boy conferences (big east, acc, sec, big 12), look at the big 10 overall bowl record over the last 5 years

But you know what for your idiotic comment i will look that up

Bowl Record
YEAR RECORD
2001 2-4
2002 5-2
2003 3-5
2004 3-3
2005 3-4
2006 2-5
2007 3-5
2008 1-6
Total 22-34

The big 10 is a fucking joke. And yeah mich st. is good at basketball no arguement but can any other big 10 school really call itself a basketball powerhouse?

The thing is they cant get the best recruits because kids who live in warm weather dont want to go to West Lafayette and play for Purdue, or go to East Lansing and play football for Michigan state.

Really know the numbers before you make dumb comments. Ohio State is a paper team every year, and they win a big game every 5 years or so.

The big 10 was the top conference for sure from about 88 till 94/95 but then when the super confrences formed they just couldnt compete

[disneyspy]

Yeah well they wouldnt have a team in the top 10 if they had to play a championship game. Seriously i watched big 10 football and basketball for like 5 years. Its god awful boring. To me its a suck ass conference and has fallen way way behind the other big boy conferences (big east, acc, sec, big 12), look at the big 10 overall bowl record over the last 5 years

But you know what for your idiotic comment i will look that up

Bowl Record
YEAR RECORD
2001 2-4
2002 5-2
2003 3-5
2004 3-3
2005 3-4
2006 2-5
2007 3-5
2008 1-6
Total 22-34

The big 10 is a fucking joke. And yeah mich st. is good at basketball no arguement but can any other big 10 school really call itself a basketball powerhouse?

The thing is they cant get the best recruits because kids who live in warm weather dont want to go to West Lafayette and play for Purdue, or go to East Lansing and play football for Michigan state.

Really know the numbers before you make dumb comments. Ohio State is a paper team every year, and they win a big game every 5 years or so.

The big 10 was the top conference for sure from about 88 till 94/95 but then when the super confrences formed they just couldnt compete

hahahaahhaha,i made you look up shit,you're too easy

[Knowledged_one]

yeah that pesky google just makes things so hard to find nowadays :dry: