First smoking, then transfats, then soda and now

[TjM]

They're coming for your salt

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/business/11salt.html

[Dude!]

They're coming for your salt

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/business/11salt.html

ok, that's it
i'm getting a gun
for when they come
for my shaker

[Ritalin]

ok, that's it
i'm getting a gun

Funny. They'll take smoking, salt, trans fats and soda, but not guns.

[A.J.]

If they could just get McDonald's to do this, I'd be happy. I have to wipe off my fries because they dump salt into that bin.

[jennysmurf]

This is a slippery slope....

[Dougie Brootal]

This is a slippery slope....

whats next? a man marryin a salt shaker?!?!?

[topless_mike]

all part of the liberal / communist take over. first they take away your smoking. then your trans fats. then soda. now your salt. whats next, your freedom? tax you for breathing out carbon dioxide?

maybe jezo was right.....

[jennysmurf]

whats next? a man marryin a salt shaker?!?!?

Sounds painful.

[sailor]

Funny. They'll take smoking, salt, trans fats and soda, but not guns.

In NYC? Are you joking?

[Aggie]

why can't unhealthy people just make their own food and leave the good stuff for the rest of us? geez...

[Chigworthy]

Funny. They'll take smoking, salt, trans fats and soda, but not guns.

Yes, they've completely banned smoking, salt, trans fats and soda, but there are no restrictions for gun ownership. Good point.

[opie's twisted balls]

ok, that's it
i'm getting a gun
for when they come
for my shaker

http://i47.tinypic.com/14bjmea.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, they've completely banned smoking, salt, trans fats and soda, but there are no restrictions for gun ownership. Good point.

NYC has one of the most strict gun control laws in the country

[TooLowBrow]

...the mayors acting salty again

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What are they going to do about those giant pretzels the hot dog salesmen have?

[sailor]

why can't unhealthy people just make their own food and leave the good stuff for the rest of us? geez...

the crappier the establishment, the more salt/sodium the food will have. It hides a lot.

[sailor]

NYC has one of the most strict gun control laws in the country

Oh, literal wrestlingfan!

[topless_mike]

http://i47.tinypic.com/14bjmea.jpg

absolute gold. i have to admit, you are my favorite canadian.

[KatPw]

This will affect me in no way, shape or form so I say ban away!

[TooLowBrow]

What are they going to do about those giant pretzels the hot dog salesmen have?

thats road salt

thats ok

[opie's twisted balls]

absolute gold. i have to admit, you are my favorite canadian.
Thank you and thank you.

This will affect me in no way, shape or form so I say ban away!
First they came for the cigarette, and I did not speak out — because I was not a smoker;
Then they came for the fried food, and I did not speak out — because I was not a lard ass;
Then they came for the salt and I did not speak out — because I was not a salt fiend;
Then they came for the dried apples — and there was no one left to speak out.

[KatPw]

First they came for the cigarette, and I did not speak out — because I was not a smoker;
Then they came for the fried food, and I did not speak out — because I was not a lard ass;
Then they came for the salt and I did not speak out — because I was not a salt fiend;
Then they came for the dried apples — and there was no one left to speak out.

I was a smoker when the ban in NY was put into effect. It did not effect me whatsoever. And the one thing I do enjoy imbibing in is illegal. These people can add salt to their food once it is handed to them if they want their food salty. If anything this might increase customers at fast food franchises since people like me don't eat there right now because of the high salt, fat, and sugar contents in the food.
ETA: And the Godwin argument, really? I didn't know that reducing salt in fast food equals killing millions of people.

[opie's twisted balls]

And the Godwin argument, really? I didn't know that reducing salt in fast food equals killing millions of people.
Yes I deserved to be called out for the hackery of the analogy.

However I do think this business of the state stepping into to regulate what we eat, drink, smoke, etc. is getting out of control. Banning the products isn't the answer, education is. I remember in the 70's the Surgeon General ran TV commercials education people on the effects of high salt intake and as a result consumption went down. Do the same thing now with all vices and allow the consumer to make the choice. If I want to eat salt laden transfat fried high carb dough till my ass doesn't fit through a door that should be my right. Thankfully I don't since I'd rather not look like a manatee and moo moo's aren't flattering but its should come down to individual choice.

[Dougie Brootal]

I was a smoker when the ban in NY was put into effect. It did not effect me whatsoever. And the one thing I do enjoy imbibing in is illegal. These people can add salt to their food once it is handed to them if they want their food salty. If anything this might increase customers at fast food franchises since people like me don't eat there right now because of the high salt, fat, and sugar contents in the food.
ETA: And the Godwin argument, really? I didn't know that reducing salt in fast food equals killing millions of people.

i dont think he's equating it to mass murder as much as he's equating it to the gradual removal of rights.

edit: beat to the JUMP!

[badmonkey]

Smoking is not good for you. Anything not good for you is bad.
Hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat--
-Bad language...chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toysand spicy food.
Abortion is illegal, so is pregnancy if you don't have a license.

Simon Phoenix: All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is [2007 - that's two-oh-oh-seven] - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

Please see either Harry Reid or Robert Byrd for your robes.

[KatPw]

Yes I deserved to be called out for the hackery of the analogy.

However I do think this business of the state stepping into to regulate what we eat, drink, smoke, etc. is getting out of control. Banning the products isn't the answer, education is. I remember in the 70's the Surgeon General ran TV commercials education people on the effects of high salt intake and as a result consumption went down. Do the same thing now with all vices and allow the consumer to make the choice. If I want to eat salt laden transfat fried high carb dough till my ass doesn't fit through a door that should be my right. Thankfully I don't since I'd rather not look like a manatee and moo moo's aren't flattering but its should come down to individual choice.

But they are not banning the product. The goal is to reduce the amount of sodium in fast food by 25% over 5 years. The backlash against the smoking ban I can understand because it outlawed smoking in establishments. I was against this ban and I still am. If a bar/etc. wants to cater to that clientèle then that should be their business. But the salt fiends can still add as much salt to their food once it is served to them. That's the point of table salt. But when the food is already salted excessively before it even reaches the consumer that is taking a choice away from everyone.

[topless_mike]

But they are not banning the product. The goal is to reduce the amount of sodium in fast food by 25% over 5 years. The backlash against the smoking ban I can understand because it outlawed smoking in establishments. I was against this ban and I still am. If a bar/etc. wants to cater to that clientèle then that should be their business. But the salt fiends can still add as much salt to their food once it is served to them. That's the point of table salt. But when the food is already salted excessively before it even reaches the consumer that is taking a choice away from everyone.

its parallel.
kitchens must reduce the amount of salt being used in the kitchen, but the people are free to use as much as they want inside the dining room.
same goes for smoking. you cant smoke inside the establishment, but you can suck down a pack outside.

although i dont agree with the smoking ban, i am happy that they did it here in nj.

[opie's twisted balls]

But they are not banning the product. The goal is to reduce the amount of sodium in fast food by 25% over 5 years......That's the point of table salt. But when the food is already salted excessively before it even reaches the consumer that is taking a choice away from everyone.
I don't think you could actually ban salt outright so a reduction is as far as the state can go with this particular substance. As part of the education I mentioned earlier is that restaurants should have to provide nutritional information for all dishes served similar to what's found on packaged good. Show the fat, sodium, protein, carb, etc. content of the serving so the consumer can make an educated choice on what they want to eat.

For me it still comes down to government sticking one more finger into my business and I don't like it. Next thing you know they have their whole hand up your ass.

Forgot to add.....

As much as I think they're alarmist assholes who love the media spotlight the Center for Science in the Public Interest does help to raise awareness of the health risks of some of our favorite vices. When they announced how much fat was contained in movie theater popcorn people, at least people who cared about their health, responded and demanded healthier options.

[topless_mike]

For me it still comes down to government sticking one more finger into my business and I don't like it.



you are quickly becoming my man-crush.

[opie's twisted balls]

you are quickly becoming my man-crush.
Just remember, I don't put out on the first date.

[KatPw]

I don't think you could actually ban salt outright so a reduction is as far as the state can go with this particular substance. As part of the education I mentioned earlier is that restaurants should have to provide nutritional information for all dishes served similar to what's found on packaged good. Show the fat, sodium, protein, carb, etc. content of the serving so the consumer can make an educated choice on what they want to eat.

For me it still comes down to government sticking one more finger into my business and I don't like it.

When NYC first started enacting nutrition labeling at FF restaurants there were plenty of people up in arms. These people don't want to see the fat/salt/sugar/calorie contents of their food. They want to eat what they want in the amount that they want when they want without having to actually look at the facts and think of the consequences. I understand that you see this as the government sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong but I see it as a last ditch effort to try to get these people to actually think about what they are putting into their bodies. I see this as a way to counteract all the fast food/processed food advertising the average American is bombarded with constantly. We have unknowingly allowed this type of product to be seen as "food" by the general public as opposed to what it really is which is a treat. We only have ourselves to blame. I would love to see the food labeling go even further. That way when a company lists "fillers" as an ingredient they would have to state what those fillers are exactly. I think seeing things like bamboo (yes, bamboo. I know right? WTF are we, Pandas?) listed it would give some people pause.

[topless_mike]

When NYC first started enacting nutrition labeling at FF restaurants there were plenty of people up in arms. These people don't want to see the fat/salt/sugar/calorie contents of their food. They want to eat what they want in the amount that they want when they want without having to actually look at the facts and think of the consequences. I understand that you see this as the government sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong but I see it as a last ditch effort to try to get these people to actually think about what they are putting into their bodies. I see this as a way to counteract all the fast food/processed food advertising the average American is bombarded with constantly. We have unknowingly allowed this type of product to be seen as "food" by the general public as opposed to what it really is which is a treat. We only have ourselves to blame. I would love to see the food labeling go even further. That way when a company lists "fillers" as an ingredient they would have to state what those fillers are exactly. I think seeing things like bamboo (yes, bamboo. I know right? WTF are we, Pandas?) listed it would give some people pause.

I think what OTB is saying is that it should be mandatory to list what the ingredients are, as well as the nutritional specs. Leave it up to the consumer to decide whether or not to eat there. Dont just ban something to make up the mind for the consumer.

On a side note, believe it or not, Trans-fats are used in cosmetics very often. You'd be surprised.

[KatPw]

I think what OTB is saying is that it should be mandatory to list what the ingredients are, as well as the nutritional specs. Leave it up to the consumer to decide whether or not to eat there. Dont just ban something to make up the mind for the consumer.

On a side note, believe it or not, Trans-fats are used in cosmetics very often. You'd be surprised.

It's not a ban. A reduction is not a ban.
And I'm not surprised about Trans fats in cosmetics. Whale blubber used to be the gold standard of fats in beauty products. Have to keep that stuff creamy somehow.

[KittenMittens]

I see going out to eat at a restaurant as a choice. Restaurants should be able to serve whatever the fuck they want. If some dickhead doesn't like salt or fatty foods then buy shit for a salad and stay at home.

If someone doesn't like what a restaurant has to offer in their food, then don't fucking eat there.. Find a more health conscious place to spend you money.

This is all a waste of legislation and is fucking pointless.. what are they gonna do next tell me I can't use salt at home?

They can eat a dick.

[opie's twisted balls]

I think what OTB is saying is that it should be mandatory to list what the ingredients are, as well as the nutritional specs. Leave it up to the consumer to decide whether or not to eat there. Dont just ban something to make up the mind for the consumer.
Yup!


It's not a ban. A reduction is not a ban.
Again, they couldn't actually ban salt outright. Regardless of the semantics its just another step towards a nanny state


Whale blubber used to be the gold standard of fats in beauty products.
So thats why grandma smelled like krill whenever she'd give me a kiss.


I see going out to eat at a restaurant as a choice. Restaurants should be able to serve whatever the fuck they want. If some dickhead doesn't like salt or fatty foods then buy shit for a salad and stay at home.

If someone doesn't like what a restaurant has to offer in their food, then don't fucking eat there.. Find a more health conscious place to spend you money.
Exactly. Eat at McSpork 24/7....I don't care. Eat nothing but lettuce and carrots.....I don't care. It should always be the consumer's choice.


They can eat a dick.
My cock is 100% transfat free!

[CurseoftheBambi]

Remember the last time there was low salt on the planet...somethings took matters into their own hands...

http://thumbnails.cbsig.net/CBS_Production_Entertainment/CBS_Production_Entertainment/1966/09/08/Classic/Star_Trek_-_The_Original_Series/Full_Episodes/Rebroadcast/591/981/CBS_STAR_TREK_006_IMAGE_CIAN.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2062/3574633896_7571fa8833.jpg

[Chigworthy]

Just remember, I don't put out on the first date.

He's more concerned with whether or not you put in on the first date.









Get it?

[topless_mike]

And I'm not surprised about Trans fats in cosmetics. Whale blubber used to be the gold standard of fats in beauty products. Have to keep that stuff creamy somehow.

hydrogenation does amazing things in terms of oxidative stability and increasing shelf life.
to keep it creamy they use emulsifiers and add water.

[JimBeam]

We got this article in our internal communication today.

Food Makers Quietly Cut Down on Salt

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703585704574650562683895666.html

[brettmojo]

I think people forget people starting using salt only because it made eating rotting meat palatable. There really is no need for it anymore unless you choose to eat at such a place that serves you rotting meat.

[Aggie]

I think people forget people starting using salt only because it made eating rotting meat palatable. There really is no need for it anymore unless you choose to eat at such a place that serves you rotting meat.

or you can just like how it tastes. plus, how else would i get my iodine?

[LordJezo]

The people keep reelecting him so, you know, meh. It's what the people want so let them have it. If people are annoyed they can vote him out, but they aren't doing that so there is not much to complain about.

It is pretty terrible and stupid, but hey, its what was elected.

Sort of like Obama, except not as bad for the country.

[opie's twisted balls]

He's more concerned with whether or not you put in on the first date.
Then I'll require a very fancy salty fatty dinner.

There really is no need for it anymore unless you choose to eat at such a place that serves you rotting meat.
Try this and you'll see how wrong you are.

Take some fresh ground beef and fry it up in a pan with nothing.....no salt, pepper, onion, garlic, etc. Then give it a taste, its not all that good and utterly bland. Yes salt was/is used to cure meat but it definitely goes beyond that.

[brettmojo]

Take some fresh ground beef and fry it up in a pan with nothing.....no salt, pepper, onion, garlic, etc. Then give it a taste, its not all that good and utterly bland. Yes salt was/is used to cure meat but it definitely goes beyond that.
Food isn't supposed to make you cum. You eat so you don't die.

[pennington]

The people keep reelecting him so, you know, meh. It's what the people want so let them have it. If people are annoyed they can vote him out, but they aren't doing that so there is not much to complain about.

It is pretty terrible and stupid, but hey, its what was elected.

If only NYC had a law that, say, limited the Mayor to, say, two terms. That would be sweet.

[Ocho Cinco]

When NYC first started enacting nutrition labeling at FF restaurants there were plenty of people up in arms. These people don't want to see the fat/salt/sugar/calorie contents of their food. They want to eat what they want in the amount that they want when they want without having to actually look at the facts and think of the consequences. I understand that you see this as the government sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong but I see it as a last ditch effort to try to get these people to actually think about what they are putting into their bodies. I see this as a way to counteract all the fast food/processed food advertising the average American is bombarded with constantly. We have unknowingly allowed this type of product to be seen as "food" by the general public as opposed to what it really is which is a treat. We only have ourselves to blame. I would love to see the food labeling go even further. That way when a company lists "fillers" as an ingredient they would have to state what those fillers are exactly. I think seeing things like bamboo (yes, bamboo. I know right? WTF are we, Pandas?) listed it would give some people pause.

This is the most intelligent response i've read on this board ever.

Everyone's so quick to yell and scream when the "government" sticks there fingers into anything. what could the government possibly have to gain by reducing salt? it is possible that maybe, just maybe, they are doing this to make people healthier or at least to inform those of us who don't wish to die by eating most of the "garbage" we eat on a daily basis?

it's so easy to play the "government shouldn't interfere" card every f'n time they do anything. all they are doing is "reducing" salt, not banning, reducing. by 25%. over 5 f'n years. and once you get the food you can put all the f'n salt you want on your food so no one is out anything

i know ignorance is bliss kids but an even bigger issue then the healthcare debate is the fact that people get sick eating garbage their whole life because bad food is quick and cheap and tastes good. no health plan will fix that. so good for ny for putting calorie counts and lowering salt and trans fat, sorry it interrupts your ignorance but those of us who enjoying living appreciate it and those of you who still wish to die eating crap feel free, there's plenty of it out there. this law sounds win/win to me

[LordJezo]

If only NYC had a law that, say, limited the Mayor to, say, two terms. That would be sweet.

What do term limits have to do with people going out and voting for someone else? The term limit secret council vote was bullshit but the people could have easily gone out and said f u to him and his non democratic moves and tossed him out of office.

Instead they voted him in a third time.

[badmonkey]

This is the most intelligent response i've read on this board ever.

Everyone's so quick to yell and scream when the "government" sticks there fingers into anything. what could the government possibly have to gain by reducing salt? it is possible that maybe, just maybe, they are doing this to make people healthier or at least to inform those of us who don't wish to die by eating most of the "garbage" we eat on a daily basis?

it's so easy to play the "government shouldn't interfere" card every f'n time they do anything. all they are doing is "reducing" salt, not banning, reducing. by 25%. over 5 f'n years. and once you get the food you can put all the f'n salt you want on your food so no one is out anything

i know ignorance is bliss kids but an even bigger issue then the healthcare debate is the fact that people get sick eating garbage their whole life because bad food is quick and cheap and tastes good. no health plan will fix that. so good for ny for putting calorie counts and lowering salt and trans fat, sorry it interrupts your ignorance but those of us who enjoying living appreciate it and those of you who still wish to die eating crap feel free, there's plenty of it out there. this law sounds win/win to me

Wasn't there a study last year that found people buying higher calorie foods once they actually got the nutrition information or completely ignoring the information altogether? It's a good thing the City of New York is so concerned about your health. God forbid people should be blissfully ignorant about anything, like heroin use. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0104101heroin1.html)

[sailor]

Food isn't supposed to make you cum. You eat so you don't die.

that's such a sad outlook.

[Syd]

I think I read somewhere that Americans, on average, carry an extra 5 or 10 lbs of weight purely in water from excessive sodium intake. Given that not many people can claim to have good blood pressure, I'm all for it. I don't want unhealthy people on my insurance plan -- why should I subsidize someone that is turning their heart into scar tissue as quickly as they possibly can?

[Serpico1103]

Yummy. Ammonia burgers.

Leave those poor corporations alone, all they want to do is sell us streak free burgers.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027872_ammonia_beef_products.html

[opie's twisted balls]

If only NYC had a law that, say, limited the Mayor to, say, two terms. That would be sweet.
I thought there was? Isn't that why Giuliani didn't run for a third term in 2001?


it is possible that maybe, just maybe, they are doing this to make people healthier or at least to inform those of us who don't wish to die by eating most of the "garbage" we eat on a daily basis?
Informing is great, mandating is bullshit. If the government takes an active roll to "make people healthier" where do you draw the line? Forced exercise? Increase your income tax if your BMI or blood pressure exceeds healthy normals?


God forbid people should be blissfully ignorant about anything, like heroin use. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0104101heroin1.html)
Sorry but not sure if you were being sarcastic or agreed with that publication being made available.


I'm all for it. I don't want unhealthy people on my insurance plan -- why should I subsidize someone that is turning their heart into scar tissue as quickly as they possibly can?
OK, again what classifies as "unhealthy" in your opinion? This thread is focusing on something that people can consume if health and its impact on insurance is your concern care to expand? If you drive a car vs. taking public transit you're at greater risk of injury, should your medical premiums be higher? How about if you ride a motorbike? Ski? Inline skate? To what extent does government, or by your inclusion insurance companies and HMO's, have the right to intrude on an individuals behaviors?

[Syd]

OK, again what classifies as "unhealthy" in your opinion? This thread is focusing on something that people can consume if health and its impact on insurance is your concern care to expand? If you drive a car vs. taking public transit you're at greater risk of injury, should your medical premiums be higher? How about if you ride a motorbike? Ski? Inline skate? To what extent does government, or by your inclusion insurance companies and HMO's, have the right to intrude on an individuals behaviors?

I want the free market to make sure that unhealthy people and those who lead unsafe lives aren't having their lives subsidized by healthy, safe living people like me. This isn't communist Russia; why do I have to pay for them to make poor decisions with their life?

[opie's twisted balls]

I want the free market to make sure that unhealthy people and those who lead unsafe lives aren't having their lives subsidized by healthy, safe living people like me. This isn't communist Russia; why do I have to pay for them to make poor decisions with their life?
You haven't answered my question. Who's the arbiter of what qualifies as healthy or safe?

[grlNIN]

If they could just get McDonald's to do this, I'd be happy. I have to wipe off my fries because they dump salt into that bin.

AJ you are so cute.

As a former (many moons ago) McDonald's employee i can tell you to do one simple thing: order your fries with no salt. We had to make them with no salt, no ifs, ands, or buts. It will take you 3-4 minutes for the fresh, unsalted fries to be made.

[LordJezo]

I thought there was? Isn't that why Giuliani didn't run for a third term in 2001?

"Was" is the key word here. Bloomberg held a city council only vote and got rid of that.

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/23/city_council_votes_to.php

No one seemed to care enough to kick him out over it.

[A.J.]

AJ you are so cute.

As a former (many moons ago) McDonald's employee i can tell you to do one simple thing: order your fries with no salt. We had to make them with no salt, no ifs, ands, or buts. It will take you 3-4 minutes for the fresh, unsalted fries to be made.

I've only seen the geriatrics do that. I don't want to be one of them!

[Jujubees2]

"Was" is the key word here. Bloomberg held a city council only vote and got rid of that.

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/23/city_council_votes_to.php

No one seemed to care enough to kick him out over it.

Don't blame me. I voted for Rev. Billy and the Green Party!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/RevBilly1.jpg/250px-RevBilly1.jpg

[JimBeam]

A New York City public health service announcement warns that soda's excess calories can quickly lead to extra pounds.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2010/01/08/hm.soda.psa.cnn

I drank probably close to a can of soda a day growing up and weighed 165 pounds until I was 25.

Up until last year I was drinking soda, probably not a can a day but it'd might've averaged as such, but my weight has stayed within the same 5 pounds for the last 12 years.

[pennington]

"Was" is the key word here. Bloomberg held a city council only vote and got rid of that.

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/23/city_council_votes_to.php

No one seemed to care enough to kick him out over it.

Bloomberg also spent $100 million of his own money plus who knows how much public money to secure those votes to overturn term limits. This includes Councilmen and Borough Presidents too. I saw one Councilman interviewed (I think he was from Staten Island) and he was happy because he had his 2 terms but now, since it is a new law, he can serve another 3 terms.

[LordJezo]

Bloomberg also spent $100 million of his own money plus who knows how much public money to secure those votes to overturn term limits. This includes Councilmen and Borough Presidents too. I saw one Councilman interviewed (I think he was from Staten Island) and he was happy because he had his 2 terms but now, since it is a new law, he can serve another 3 terms.

And the people of NYC could have said f u buddy for working secret backroom deals, side steping the public on laws, and changing things without anyone knowing what was happening.

But the didn't, reelected him, and are happy because of it.

It's their city and it will change as the people want. We as outsiders can complain about it but it's their decision.

[Zorro]

From the thread title I thought this was gonna be pictures of Susann Somers over the years