Let's take a moment to think about the real victims of the econamy [Archive]

TjM

01-28-2010, 04:37 AM

The bankers dealing with hardship :glurps:

http://www.thebigmoney.com/features/todays-business-press/2010/01/28/big-banks-cutting-loans-employees-hardship

"I know it sounds ridiculous to Main Street, but it's a hardship," Gary Goldstein, who runs Whitney Group, a financial-services job-search firm in New York, told the paper. What with multiple residences, private school tuitions, domestic employees, and various membership fees, a banker’s expenses can demand a lot of cash. That means bankers are increasingly doing something previously reserved for the rest of the public: going into debt.

Chigworthy

01-28-2010, 05:50 AM

Further evidence that a Jeffersonian civil revolution might be long overdue.

A.J.

01-28-2010, 05:55 AM

Further evidence that a Jeffersonian civil revolution might be long overdue.

I'm in.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/7000/George-Jefferson--7137.jpg

nate1000

01-28-2010, 05:59 AM

The bankers dealing with hardship :glurps:

http://www.thebigmoney.com/features/todays-business-press/2010/01/28/big-banks-cutting-loans-employees-hardship

From Slate.

Like quoting the onion as news.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 06:09 AM

Chigworthy

01-28-2010, 06:11 AM

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

That's the one I had in mind.

sailor

01-28-2010, 06:31 AM

The real victims are the out-of-work teachers of the spelling arts.

disneyspy

01-28-2010, 06:32 AM

The real victims are the out-of-work teachers of the spelling arts.

you have to post like GWB when discussin such thangs

sailor

01-28-2010, 06:34 AM

you have to post like GWB when discussin such thangs

the bridge?

disneyspy

01-28-2010, 06:38 AM

the bridge?

heck no son,the fake texan that fucked all the shit up

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 06:53 AM

Corporations have ruined this country. They act out of self-interest, detached from any concern for true American ideals.
Of course, corporations are behind the libertarian movement. Because, guess who will benefit the most from less government interference? Hint- It's not Joe the Plumber.

Corporations have become global entities interfering with our government, our rights, and our ability to elect decent politicians.

Zorro

01-28-2010, 06:54 AM

Zorro

01-28-2010, 06:55 AM

Willmore

01-28-2010, 06:59 AM

Let's take a moment to think about the real victims of the econamy

People who can't spell?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 06:59 AM

Government redistribution of wealth going back to the 30's ballooning in the 60's with the great society where government would be the father figure. People feeling a need for entitlement, no self discipline or personal responsibility and that the government will take care of everything.

We are out of money, the spigots dry. The recipient class is king now, and me the taxpayer is looked at as the villain

TjM

01-28-2010, 07:01 AM

People who can't spell?

Douches who nitpick on message boards

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 07:03 AM

Corporations Love government...

ADM The biggest corparate Welfare queen around

Chigworthy

01-28-2010, 07:12 AM

Maybe it'll have wings.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 07:12 AM

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 07:29 AM

The problem is also the lowlife dirtbag politicians always feeling that they need to interfere and lemmings who believe that we answer to them. You really think Pelosi, Reid, Obama Schumer et al are statesmen and philosophers? The founders forsaw what is going on today in Washington.

What they didn't foresee was blacks being free, women voting, poor people having rights, or corporations controlling government.
Other than that they were prophetic.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 07:34 AM

What they didn't foresee was blacks being free, women voting, poor people having rights, or corporations controlling government.
Other than that they were prophetic.

an overbearing government, redistribution of wealth and private property rights, unchecked branches of government. massive regulation and debt, bloated entitlements.

I know you despise corporations but if you really feel that way, give up your cellphone, car tv etc and live in a cave MAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 07:52 AM

an overbearing government, redistribution of wealth and private property rights, unchecked branches of government. massive regulation and debt, bloated entitlements.

I know you despise corporations but if you really feel that way, give up your cellphone, car tv etc and live in a cave MAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!

I know you hate immigrants, but if you really feel that way, go the border and start killing illegals. Stand up for your principles, MMAAAANNNNNNN.
Don't like government? Want to be free? Embrace libertarianism? Move to an island and run your own government free state. MMAANNNNNN. But, you are too busy hiding under big government.
Don't quote the founding fathers and then embrace corporations as if they embody the American dream.
Corporations have bastardized our government, turning the government into just another tool to use for profits: corporate welfare, competition through regulation, campaign financing, etc.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 08:47 AM

I know you hate immigrants, but if you really feel that way, go the border and start killing illegals. Stand up for your principles, MMAAAANNNNNNN.
Don't like government? Want to be free? Embrace libertarianism? Move to an island and run your own government free state. MMAANNNNNN. But, you are too busy hiding under big government.
Don't quote the founding fathers and then embrace corporations as if they embody the American dream.
Corporations have bastardized our government, turning the government into just another tool to use for profits: corporate welfare, competition through regulation, campaign financing, etc.

I don't condone shooting illegal aliens, again Illegal aliens are not immigrants!!!! I am not an anarchist I never said I wanted no government, Who is glorifying corporations? I pointed ot that ADM is the biggest recipient of corporate welfare thru the useless subsidazation of Ethanol

I don't need governent legislating compassion or morals, thats up to the individual.

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 08:54 AM

I don't condone shooting illegal aliens, again Illegal aliens are not immigrants!!!! I am not an anarchist I never said I wanted no government, Who is glorifying corporations? I pointed ot that ADM is the biggest recipient of corporate welfare thru the useless subsidazation of Ethanol

I don't need governent legislating compassion or morals, thats up to the individual.

Immigration is the arrival of new individuals into a habitat or population. It is a biological concept and is important in population ecology, differentiated from emigration and migration.

: one that immigrates: as a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence b : a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown

a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

Your hatred aside, illegal aliens are immigrants. I know you don't want liberals humanizing illegals by using a neutral term. However, that doesn't change what illegal aliens are---immigrants.

I don't see any legal status in the immigrant definitions.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 08:58 AM

Immigration is the arrival of new individuals into a habitat or population. It is a biological concept and is important in population ecology, differentiated from emigration and migration.

: one that immigrates: as a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence b : a plant or animal that becomes established in an area where it was previously unknown

a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

Your hatred aside, illegal aliens are immigrants. I know you don't want liberals humanizing illegals by using a neutral term. However, that doesn't change what illegal aliens are---immigrants.

I don't see any legal status in the immigrant definitions.

Illegal aliens are people who knowingly violate immigration laws with no regard for the laws of the particular country they are going to. Furthermore, Congress passed federal immigration law making it a crime to be here illegally, hiring and renting to illegal aliens, but that doesnt matter to you,

So being a person who wants to let everyone in, Again keep your doors unlocked, get rid of your fence and just have a free for all at your house. Leave the keys in the ignition and door unlocked in your car too. Come on arent we all migrants who just want to drive a car or live in someone elses house?

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 09:06 AM

Illegal aliens are people who knowingly violate immigration laws with no regard for the laws of the particular country they are going to. Furthermore, Congress passed federal immigration law making it a crime to be here illegally, hiring and renting to illegal aliens, but that doesnt matter to you, Why do you hate the constitution?

I understand they have broken a law.
Have you broken any laws in your life? Whether or not you were arrested and convicted.
Should I define you as a criminal instead of as a citizen or WRESTLINGFAN, or whatever you prefer to be called.
Yes, they are here illegally. Got it. Yes, the system should efficiently handle illegals. Should I stomp up and down crying that illegals are destroying this country while corporations pollute and destroy ecosystems? Illegals will have to wait while bigger issues are dealt with.

I don't hate the Constitution. I don't worship it either. The men who wrote it were intelligent, but limited and not perfect.

I don't leave my keys in the ignition. But, I don't scream that car thieves are ruining our country.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 09:14 AM

I understand they have broken a law.
Have you broken any laws in your life? Whether or not you were arrested and convicted.
Should I define you as a criminal instead of as a citizen or WRESTLINGFAN, or whatever you prefer to be called.
Yes, they are here illegally. Got it. Yes, the system should efficiently handle illegals. Should I stomp up and down crying that illegals are destroying this country while corporations pollute and destroy ecosystems? Illegals will have to wait while bigger issues are dealt with.

I don't hate the Constitution. I don't worship it either. The men who wrote it were intelligent, but limited and not perfect.

I don't leave my keys in the ignition. But, I don't scream that car thieves are ruining our country.

Youre comparing a speeding ticket to the serious crime of illegal immigration?

Corporations are always being penalized and exposed for their damage.
For example GE was penalized for PCB's in the Hudson

And yes if I get caught speeding I pay a summons and get points taken from my license. Why should an illegal alien who is arrested for a crime or drives without a license not be deported?

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 09:45 AM

Youre comparing a speeding ticket to the serious crime of illegal immigration?

Corporations are always being penalized and exposed for their damage. And illegals are "always" being deported.
For example GE was penalized for PCB's in the Hudson

And yes if I get caught speeding I pay a summons and get points taken from my license. Why should an illegal alien who is arrested for a crime or drives without a license not be deported?

As we all know, the Hudson is a pristine body of water.
Corporations pollute the world.

Just speeding tickets? Never claimed a deduction that wasn't proper? Never drank underage? Never drove while legally drunk? CRIMINAL!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 09:51 AM

As we all know, the Hudson is a pristine body of water.
Corporations pollute the world.

Just speeding tickets? Never claimed a deduction that wasn't proper? Never drank underage? Never drove while legally drunk? CRIMINAL!!!

There are penalties for all of those violations. Im not committing a crime every second that I am here like the illegals are. Thats why they are called illegal aliens ..get it?

Serpico1103

01-28-2010, 10:03 AM

There are penalties for all of those violations. Im not committing a crime every second that I am here like the illegals are. Thats why they are called illegal aliens ..get it?

Illegal aliens are immigrants. Get it?

All squares are rectangles. Not all rectangles are squares.

Dude!

01-28-2010, 10:06 AM

getting back to the economy
i've cut way back on caviar

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2010, 10:10 AM

getting back to the economy
i've cut way back on caviar

Instead of the 55 inch Plasma, Had to settle for the 42

Bob Impact

01-28-2010, 05:36 PM

Some good Jeffersonian quotes

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

My favorite was always "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."

Corporations have ruined this country. They act out of self-interest, detached from any concern for true American ideals.
Of course, corporations are behind the libertarian movement. Because, guess who will benefit the most from less government interference? Hint- It's not Joe the Plumber.

Corporations have become global entities interfering with our government, our rights, and our ability to elect decent politicians.

I know you hate immigrants, but if you really feel that way, go the border and start killing illegals. Stand up for your principles, MMAAAANNNNNNN.
Don't like government? Want to be free? Embrace libertarianism? Move to an island and run your own government free state. MMAANNNNNN. But, you are too busy hiding under big government.
Don't quote the founding fathers and then embrace corporations as if they embody the American dream.
Corporations have bastardized our government, turning the government into just another tool to use for profits: corporate welfare, competition through regulation, campaign financing, etc.

I really don't get your point, you talk about corporations being behind the libertarians one post, and follow that one up with corporations being all about competition through regulation and campaign financing, which was is it, because you see very confused about what terrible thing the corporations are doing to you.

Instead of the 55 inch Plasma, Had to settle for the 42

Just bought a new car and a house... I am, however, cutting down on my solid gold shoe budget.

Suspect Chin

01-28-2010, 08:29 PM

Corporations have ruined this country. They act out of self-interest, detached from any concern for true American ideals.

I'm curious which evil corporation signs your checks, pays your insurance, matches your 401k, etc.

You act like a corporation is a self-standing entity. It's not. A corporation is just a bunch of people working together to make it succeed and thereby getting pay raises, better benefits, etc. for themselves. Of course there will be leaders of said corporations who make a lot more than the ground floor workers, but because of the decisions these leaders make, the ground floor employees remain employed and their bills get paid. Of course the people in corporations are going to act in 'self interest' as that is their reason for existence in the first place.

Jujubees2

01-29-2010, 04:47 AM

I'm curious which evil corporation signs your checks, pays your insurance, matches your 401k, etc.

You act like a corporation is a self-standing entity. It's not. A corporation is just a bunch of people working together to make it succeed and thereby getting pay raises, better benefits, etc. for themselves. Of course there will be leaders of said corporations who make a lot more than the ground floor workers, but because of the decisions these leaders make, the ground floor employees remain employed and their bills get paid. Of course the people in corporations are going to act in 'self interest' as that is their reason for existence in the first place.

Or because of the decisions they make, the company goes under, ground floor employees lose their jobs while the leaders walk away with a golden parachute.

Suspect Chin

01-29-2010, 01:56 PM

Or because of the decisions they make, the company goes under, ground floor employees lose their jobs while the leaders walk away with a golden parachute.

So? Companies fail every day. Why punish the leaders because they made the right decisions in their early careers and rose to the top? They are out of a job too.

What is the alternative to a corporation? Unless you own a business and are a sole proprietor, you will work for a corporation and be at the whim of those at the top.

Serpico1103

01-29-2010, 02:36 PM

I really don't get your point, you talk about corporations being behind the libertarians one post, and follow that one up with corporations being all about competition through regulation and campaign financing, which was is it, because you see very confused about what terrible thing the corporations are doing to you.

Here's some help. Corporations play all sides of the fence. They fight for regulations that help them, fight against regulations that hurt them. They pour money into the system to make it appear that "people" want these objectives, when it is the disembodied entity that wants it, in search of profits at all costs.

If there was virtually no government regulation of individuals or people. Who would enjoy this new freedom more? Individuals or corporations free from all regulations except the ones they financed to enact.

I know CATO is funded by individuals looking to free themselves from a paternalistic government. OR! Corporations pour money into their coffers to push the libertarian agenda.

sailor

01-29-2010, 02:50 PM

corporations are just groups of people.

Bob Impact

01-29-2010, 04:04 PM

Here's some help. Corporations play all sides of the fence. They fight for regulations that help them, fight against regulations that hurt them. They pour money into the system to make it appear that "people" want these objectives, when it is the disembodied entity that wants it, in search of profits at all costs.

If there was virtually no government regulation of individuals or people. Who would enjoy this new freedom more? Individuals or corporations free from all regulations except the ones they financed to enact.

I know CATO is funded by individuals looking to free themselves from a paternalistic government. OR! Corporations pour money into their coffers to push the libertarian agenda.

corporations are just groups of people.
I don't know how to answer you any better than Sailor just did... you seem to think that corporations are people.

Suspect Chin

01-29-2010, 04:23 PM

I'm curious which evil corporation signs your checks, pays your insurance, matches your 401k, etc.

You act like a corporation is a self-standing entity. It's not. A corporation is just a bunch of people working together to make it succeed and thereby getting pay raises, better benefits, etc. for themselves. Of course there will be leaders of said corporations who make a lot more than the ground floor workers, but because of the decisions these leaders make, the ground floor employees remain employed and their bills get paid. Of course the people in corporations are going to act in 'self interest' as that is their reason for existence in the first place.

corporations are just groups of people.

I don't know how to answer you any better than Sailor just did... you seem to think that corporations are people.

Sailor takes credit for another of my ideas...

sailor

01-29-2010, 07:00 PM

Sailor takes credit for another of my ideas...

corporations (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1813470)

are just (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1651231)

groups of people (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1638034)

boo-yah! (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1293052)

Suspect Chin

01-29-2010, 07:55 PM

corporations (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1813470)

are just (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1651231)

groups of people (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1638034)

boo-yah! (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1293052)

Dammit I thought I was the first person to ever have that idea. Guess I'd better cancel my book.

Serpico1103

01-30-2010, 04:04 AM

corporations are just groups of people.

So happy to see that some people can be pacified with simple answers.

So corporations don't have their own identity?
A corporation can not sue? A corporation can not be sued? A corporation can not commit crimes?
The groups of people that make up corporations are all held liable for the actions of the corporation? I guess the question of piercing the corporate veil is inconsequential.
Ahhh, life is simple when you accept simple answers to complex problems.