Batman 3: The Dark Knight Rises (Now with 100% More Spoilers!)

[Dirtbag]

I shit all over the Dark Knight trailer and what I thought at the time was Ledger's bad Nicholson impression and that one kicked ass. Definitely not sold on this yet but I'm sure it will be good.

[Judge Smails]

Everything looks good cool about this movie but the title. This is the laziest naming of a sequel since Die Hard 2: Die Harder.

[cougarjake13]

Everything looks good cool about this movie but the title. This is the laziest naming of a sequel since Die Hard 2: Die Harder.

nolan went to the school of lucas

[brettmojo]

My confidence in Nolan appears to have been validated.

I hope it's five hours long after watching that trailer.

[cougarjake13]

I'd tolerate 3 hrs if it's mostly good for that time

[Furtherman]

I saw the prologue before Mission Impossible 4 (which was a great movie BTW) and it was a real exciting scene where we meet Bane. Unfortunately, one criticism I had heard turned out to be true. It was very difficult to understand Bane. I got the gist of what he was saying, but not exactly what he was doing. I hope it isn't that hard in the actual movie or we're gonna need subtitles.

[cougarjake13]

I don't remember bane talkin much in comics hopefully he doesn't in movie

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I don't remember bane talkin much in comics hopefully he doesn't in movie

bane spoke all time in the books. he was a genius and a muscle monster thats how he planned on beating bats

[cougarjake13]

Wow. Then I must be thinking of the movie then where he didn't talk much

[TripleSkeet]

Wow. Then I must be thinking of the movie then where he didn't talk much

Yea, it was the abomination known as Batman and Robin.

[cougarjake13]

That was it

Although uma did look tasty As poison ivy

[disneyspy]

That was it

Although uma did look tasty As poison ivy

she made me itchy in my under pants

[weekapaugjz]

she made me itchy in my under pants

are you sure that isn't the crabs?

[disneyspy]

are you sure that isn't the crabs?

:lol:

[PapaBear]

Batman got pulled over in Maryland today. (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=681&sid=2799175)

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EDIT: The second pic is actually from a different incident involving the same guy.

[weekapaugjz]

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[cougarjake13]

Batman got pulled over in Maryland today. (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=681&sid=2799175)

http://www.wtop.com/emedia/wtop/24/2408/240856.jpg

http://www.wtop.com/emedia/wtop/24/2408/240855.jpg

EDIT: The second pic is actually from a different incident involving the same guy.

Swear to god it looks like Michael Keaton under that mask

[PapaBear]

Swear to god it looks like Michael Keaton under that mask
I think he has more of a Val Kilmer look.

[Furtherman]

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[Furtherman]

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[booster11373]

Plot speculations?

I see some Knightfall influences

[cougarjake13]

I think he has more of a Val Kilmer look.



2012 fat Val Kilmer yeh I can see that

[HBox]

Plot speculations?

I see some Knightfall influences

Yeah. I think they are combining that with a return of the League of Shadows, personally.

[booster11373]

Yeah. I think they are combining that with a return of the League of Shadows, personally.

This is just pure speculation on my part but I think Nolan will end the movie with JGL as either Batman or some kind of costume hero (Nightwing) sort of like the ending of the V for Vendetta comic book

[TripleSkeet]

Ive heard all kinds of rumors. I have no idea what to believe. Making him Nightwing would be stupid. If youre going to make someone a character, stick the real charaacters name. JGLs character was a nobody from one comic book who gets his report card stolen from the Joker. So Nolan could have him doing anything.

Alot of speculation says that after Bane breaks Batmans back, he takes JGL under huis wing and trains him. And that by the end Bruce Wayne dies, leaving JGL to take over the mantle of Batman.

That would take some epic balls on Nolans part. Killing Bruce Wayne. I dont think theyve ever even done that in the comics.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Ive heard all kinds of rumors. I have no idea what to believe. Making him Nightwing would be stupid. If youre going to make someone a character, stick the real charaacters name. JGLs character was a nobody from one comic book who gets his report card stolen from the Joker. So Nolan could have him doing anything.

Alot of speculation says that after Bane breaks Batmans back, he takes JGL under huis wing and trains him. And that by the end Bruce Wayne dies, leaving JGL to take over the mantle of Batman.

That would take some epic balls on Nolans part. Killing Bruce Wayne. I dont think theyve ever even done that in the comics.

they just killed him off a few years back but he got better.

[keithy_19]

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[HBox]

This is just pure speculation on my part but I think Nolan will end the movie with JGL as either Batman or some kind of costume hero (Nightwing) sort of like the ending of the V for Vendetta comic book

After watching the trailer a couple more times there is definitely one line spoken by Batman that does not sound like Christian Bale. It's certainly not in Batman voice either.

[TripleSkeet]

After watching the trailer a couple more times there is definitely one line spoken by Batman that does not sound like Christian Bale. It's certainly not in Batman voice either.

Which one?

edit* Forget it, I saw it. Funny thing is, I thing that was Bale. Theres another scene where it looks like Batmans walking through smoke at 1:34 where his chin looks like that of JGL and not Bale. Hes got that cleft in it.

[IamFogHat]

Catwoman seems like more of an ally than a villain from this trailer.

[cougarjake13]

Ive heard all kinds of rumors. I have no idea what to believe. Making him Nightwing would be stupid. If youre going to make someone a character, stick the real charaacters name. JGLs character was a nobody from one comic book who gets his report card stolen from the Joker. So Nolan could have him doing anything.

Alot of speculation says that after Bane breaks Batmans back, he takes JGL under huis wing and trains him. And that by the end Bruce Wayne dies, leaving JGL to take over the mantle of Batman.

That would take some epic balls on Nolans part. Killing Bruce Wayne. I dont think theyve ever even done that in the comics.


They kinda killed him with that whole battle for the cowl thing

Never finished reading so I don't know how that resolved

[Furtherman]

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[HBox]

Just saw it and here's my quick thoughts: Not as good as The Dark Knight but still fucking amazing. The main difference in quality is in the villian. They obviously weren't going to match Heath Ledger but between the mask obscuring his face and his voice Tom Hardy didn't even have a chance.

But still, amazing movie. Where The Dark Knight was dark, this movie is hopeless. About half way through it establishes a very oppressive feeling. It moves much more methodically than The Dark Knight and there is less action. In fact, half way through I wasn't even feeling as if I liked this movie. But I credit just how effective it was at telling it's story and establishing it's themes as to why I was feeling that way. It felt as if, to steal a line from the movie, there was a storm coming and there was absolutely no hope. But as the movie entered the second half it picked up exponentially. In the end Christopher Nolan made yet another amazing movie.

There are only two minor gripes I have. One, the very final scene. I won't discuss it for obvious reasons. And two, too many twists. Both are very minor.

[thepaulo]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html

This horrific event is directly related to the content of The Dark Knight Rises.

We do not know exactly the thinking of the gunman but we can assume it is a deranged response to Bane and his call for chaos and revolution.

I can't even imagine what the film makers and the studio heads are thinking right now.

[brettmojo]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html

This horrific event is directly related to the content of The Dark Knight Rises.

We do not know exactly the thinking of the gunman but we can assume it is a deranged response to Bane and his call for chaos and revolution.

I can't even imagine what the film makers and the studio heads are thinking right now.
It was a fucking scumbag fucknutjob piece of garbage. Fuck. ugh.

[Misteriosa]

This is just terrible. My condolences go out to the victims and families. :glurps:

I've been listening to the police and fire department scanner from Aurora this morning. lots of messages been taken off channel to phone lines (guess there are a ton of other poeple listening in too). there were a few messages going out that there might have been some other incidents happening at the same time (i'll chalk that up to hysteria over the situation). there were a lot of calls coming in about suspicious packages and that the bomb squad was sent out to check two suspicous backpacks.

im going to see batman later this evening. i bet they'll have bag searches at the theatre.

[cougarjake13]

Just saw it and here's my quick thoughts: Not as good as The Dark Knight but still fucking amazing. The main difference in quality is in the villian. They obviously weren't going to match Heath Ledger but between the mask obscuring his face and his voice Tom Hardy didn't even have a chance.

But still, amazing movie. Where The Dark Knight was dark, this movie is hopeless. About half way through it establishes a very oppressive feeling. It moves much more methodically than The Dark Knight and there is less action. In fact, half way through I wasn't even feeling as if I liked this movie. But I credit just how effective it was at telling it's story and establishing it's themes as to why I was feeling that way. It felt as if, to steal a line from the movie, there was a storm coming and there was absolutely no hope. But as the movie entered the second half it picked up exponentially. In the end Christopher Nolan made yet another amazing movie.

There are only two minor gripes I have. One, the very final scene. I won't discuss it for obvious reasons. And two, too many twists. Both are very minor.


can u pm them to me ?

I'm curious and don't feel like waiting

[KnoxHarrington]

It was a fucking scumbag fucknutjob piece of garbage. Fuck. ugh.

Yeah, this was just a piece of shit who wanted to kill a lot of people, and this was his chance to do it. The movie has fuck-all to do with this.

[HBox]

can u pm them to me ?

I'm curious and don't feel like waiting

Major spoilers obviously. I highly recommend not spoiling it for yourself before seeing the film.

1. The last scene: It's bothering me less as I think about it because because it does fit in with the story line and the relationship between Catwoman and Batman. Early in the film Alfred talks about how before Bruce Wayne returned to Gotham and became Batman that Alfred would go on vacation and hope to see Bruce with a wife and kids, that he never wanted Bruce to return to Gotham. There was only pain and misery for him there. And then throughout the film Catwoman is looking for a way out of her situation, a "clean slate" so she could get out of the cycle of crime she was trapped in, very similar to what Bruce Wayne wants.

So in the last scene when everyone thinks Batman is dead Alfred is on vacation, sitting down for lunch and looks at another table and sees Bruce and Selina Kyle sitting together. Bruce sees him, nods, Alfred nods, The End. I thought it was too happy a way to end this trilogy, and I still do somewhat, but it makes more sense. Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle finally got there clean slate, left their past behind and found real life.

2. The twists. This has to do with Bane and Talia Al Ghul. I'm not gonna go into all the specifics but basically their origin stories intertwine and throughout the film as it is slowly doled out you are being yanked left and right. There are probably 5 or 6 twists as they slowly reveal and yank your chain before you find out the true story, and because of all that I've noticed my friends have been confusing the real story with details of all the misdirections that came before the final reveal.

[Snoogans]

im sure some wiseass already pointed this out but, its not batman 3. its like batman 10

[HBox]

One thing I was surprised about:

They left the plot open to more sequels in many different ways. I would have thought Christopher Nolan would have made a more definitive end but as it is WB can bring back Batman, bring back Batman and Catwoman, have Joseph Gordon Levitt become Batman, or continue on to a Robin series.

And, though I hesitate to mention it, the complete lack of any mention of the Joker leaves that plot line open too should Warner Brothers decide to recast. Hollywood has done much more shameless things that that.

Hopefully they leave it be and start over again, and not for awhile either.

[deliciousV]

somebody coulda warned me that iSpy doesn't hide the shit in the spoiler box! :wallbash:

[TripleSkeet]

I loved it. Some of the twists were annoying to me until they worked themselves out, then I really loved it. HBox hit it right on the end while halfway through I wasnt sure I even liked it but how the second half just brought the story completely full circle and made it epic.

I dont think it was better than Dark Knight but Id say its on par with it.

I espcially like how even though they had to tweek it, they kept the villain origins pretty close to the comics. Ingenius how they incorporated it.

[HBox]

I loved it. Some of the twists were annoying to me until they worked themselves out, then I really loved it. HBox hit it right on the end while halfway through I wasnt sure I even liked it but how the second half just brought the story completely full circle and made it epic.

I dont think it was better than Dark Knight but Id say its on par with it.

I espcially like how even though they had to tweek it, they kept the villain origins pretty close to the comics. Ingenius how they incorporated it.

The only reason I put The Dark Knight above Rises is that there isn't one wasted scene in TDK. Every scene is interesting, has purpose and leads directly into the next. It was exciting, interesting and enthralling all the way through. In Rises it starts very slowly and every scene in the first third of movie that doesn't have Bane in it seems to meander a bit. It's like you are watching a bunch of people bored with how well things are going and until that sense of impending doom starts to kick in there is not much of interest.

[TripleSkeet]

Ive got about 100 friends of mine furious today because last night I put on Facebook "How the fuck could they kill Alfred?" Fucking hilarious.

[mdr55]

Ive got about 100 friends of mine furious today because last night I put on Facebook "How the fuck could they kill Alfred?" Fucking hilarious.

Thanks for the chuckle.

[fezident]

What a fucking great movie.
I love a movie that takes it's time.


As for "the next batman movie"....
The fact that Blake's name is "Robin" is just a wink to the fans. He won't become the "Robin" character. If you think about it... that kinda doesn't make sense that he would become a masked hero, only to then suddenly start using his own name.
He will become the next Batman.... as "Batman is not a man, he's a symbol".
Having said all that... I don't believe that we'll see a JGL-as-Batman movie. I think we're just supposed to think that JGL's character will use Wayne's applied sciences resources to pick up where Wayne left off.

I have a question about the movie itself though:
The whole "Bruce Wayne is alive" thing is pretty much the only truly cheesy thing in the entire trilogy. I feel like the audience actually SEES Bruce Wayne get in the Bat-plane and fly that bomb out of the city. I feel like we watched that happen. There was no way that he used some kind of auto-pilot to navigate the flyer out of there. When would he have time to have done that??
Did we see Bruce get on the flyer? Or was it just implied?? I don't recall.

[booster11373]

I definitely agree with the oppressive feelings comments not so sure about the hope part though.

[Dirtbag]

I'm guessing he ejected right when he got out over the water and the auto pilot flew the bomb as far out as it could.

[TripleSkeet]

spoiler tags added above

LMAO So much for spoiler tags.

[TripleSkeet]

I have a question about the movie itself though:


I didnt think it was cheesy. To be honest I wouldve been pissed if they killed off Bruce Wayne. I also loved the way they brought in Talia Al Ghul. I kinda thought thats who this chick was gonna wind up being but when they originally showed the kid escape the pit, and said it was Bane, the first thing I thought was "Well that deviated way too much from the comics as he was supposed to live in the prison til adulthood. Plus, if the doctor fucked up his face, why wasnt he wearing a mask when he escaped?" That bothered me until they pulled the twist and made it actually make sense.

[Dirtbag]

LMAO So much for spoiler tags.
Ugh. I'm on mobile so if others have been using them I haven't seen.

[Misteriosa]

I added the tags. It's ok now

[IamFogHat]

This is one of those movies that I saw and was slightly let down in certain points, but came out saying that was awesome. But as I'm want to do, I've read reviews and listened to podcast discussions since yesterday, and I think I fucking love this movie even more than when I saw it with my eye and ear and brain.
It is incredibly flawed, yes, but all three of them are, and more importantly it is way better than it's negatives.

[HBox]

This is one of those movies that I saw and was slightly let down in certain points, but came out saying that was awesome. But as I'm want to do, I've read reviews and listened to podcast discussions since yesterday, and I think I fucking love this movie even more than when I saw it with my eye and ear and brain.
It is incredibly flawed, yes, but all three of them are, and more importantly it is way better than it's negatives.

I just saw it a second time and I liked it even more. The beginning felt much less slow knowing where everything was going. I also appreciated Anne Hathaway's performance more. She did a really awesome job.

[IamFogHat]

I just saw it a second time and I liked it even more. The beginning felt much less slow knowing where everything was going. I also appreciated Anne Hathaway's performance more. She did a really awesome job.

That's an understatement, and I know she's gonna get that treatment, but she was fucking phenomenal. I loved her the whole movie, but there are a few key scenes I know we all know, where she blew the fucking hinges off the door. I've loved her as an actress for years, but I hope people recognize her for this, I really do.

[fezident]

But as I'm want to do, I've read reviews and listened to podcast discussions since yesterday, .

What are some good, in depth, podcast discussions about this movie. I'd check that out for sure. Got any links or show names?? TY.

[IamFogHat]

What are some good, in depth, podcast discussions about this movie. I'd check that out for sure. Got any links or show names?? TY.

I don't know what TY means, but as far as podcasts go (and listen, the weekend isn't even over yet so there will be more) but I enjoyed Mamo and geekscapes take on the film, as far as written, just google it and don't pay attention to the horrible incident news feeds, there are some good ones out there.

[HBox]

Plot theme discussion, including spoilers:

What did you guys take away as far as the revolution aspect of the plot? I;ve heard some talk that people are seeing this as an anti-Occupy movie even though the script was finished before that took off. There's obviously a lot of French Revolution imagery used, and while I don't think the Occupy movement came off all that well in the movie I don't think Nolan was trying to say anything about any kind of revolution at all.

I think people are taking what he said post-bombing too literally. His and Talia's plan was to destroy Gotham slowly, letting it eat at itself before completely wiping it out. The whole revolution talk wasn't their motivation, just their way of exploiting the populace to destroy itself, just as the fear gas was in Begins. All the Revolution talk was simply means to an end and not their ideology at all.

That's what I think anyway. What did you guys take away from it?

[IamFogHat]

Plot theme discussion, including spoilers:

What did you guys take away as far as the revolution aspect of the plot? I;ve heard some talk that people are seeing this as an anti-Occupy movie even though the script was finished before that took off. There's obviously a lot of French Revolution imagery used, and while I don't think the Occupy movement came off all that well in the movie I don't think Nolan was trying to say anything about any kind of revolution at all.

I think people are taking what he said post-bombing too literally. His and Talia's plan was to destroy Gotham slowly, letting it eat at itself before completely wiping it out. The whole revolution talk wasn't their motivation, just their way of exploiting the populace to destroy itself, just as the fear gas was in Begins. All the Revolution talk was simply means to an end and not their ideology at all.

That's what I think anyway. What did you guys take away from it?

I think if people on the internet cared to read anything other than blurbs they'd understand it started as a script well before all this and was based on A Tale of Two Cities (as per the three men who wrote it said so when they wrote it), but that is also a testament to them being smart guys who saw the class conflict that was rising in contemporary western culture at the time, which ultimately arrived at the occupy movement. I think it's telling. Not in any grand way, just in an awesome artistic writing way, which I think critics will appreciate twenty or more years from now.

[Furtherman]

Having watched Batman Begins, TDK and then TDKR yesterday, I felt it was a great closure to the Batman story. A grand vision which was maybe a bit too long for it's own good, but a lot of fun seeing it all put together.

All the regular characters that we've seen before we great as usual, with Blake and Catwoman (Selina) as perfect additions. Great characters and storylines. I thought Bane was an excellent baddie, and very happy they tweaked his voice from the last time I saw the plane-jack scene in front of the newest Mission Impossible, when you could barely make out what he was saying.

I loved the "twists" and reveals towards the end of the film. Did not see them coming.

There were only a few things that took me out of the movie:

I didn't see the point of Matthew Modine's character, nor the girl that Selina hung around with - was she a sister or friend or what?

Unlike Batman Begins and TDK, I didn't get the feel of Gotham in this movie. It just looked like plain New York. Maybe because many of the scenes took place during the day, unlike the first two movies, which have it a more Gotham feel. Or at least some place different. This movie, with its prominent shots of The Empire State Building, World Trade and the East River bridges, just didn't feel like Gotham.

Finally, Talia al Ghul's mission. She is full filling her father's dream of destroying Gotham. So they shut the city down and the would watches it crumble on its own for a few months - I guess, as you never really get the feel of what that lesson was supposed to be. TDK taught us that even the best of people can be driven to chaos. Are we supposed to see Gotham as the best of cities can be driven to chaos? But was it chaoitic enough? I don't know.

But what really took me out was Taila's willingness to just blow herself and Bane up with the nuke. I didn't think the League Of Shadows was a suicide group. But rather they would stick around, watch their work, and then go back to whatever while the world rebuilds. If she were to just nuke herself, she'd never get any satisifaction or even see what the results would be, other than pushing the button. I don't think that made much sense.


But I look forward to seeing it again, and I think these problems I had might not be as glaring as I first thought.

Plus the Bat-Wing was bad ass.

[sailor]

It didn't bother you bane sounded like an auto-tuned Sean Connery?

Maybe manhattan was used to show how much things had improved in Gotham over the past years?

And I thought the whole point of shutting down the city and having people turn on one another was clearly spelled out: they wanted to give people false hope, like the prison, and watch people trample over one another trying to survive - and then blow it up, showing they did all that for nothing.

[Furtherman]

It didn't bother you bane sounded like an auto-tuned Sean Connery?

Maybe manhattan was used to show how much things had improved in Gotham over the past years?

And I thought the whole point of shutting down the city and having people turn on one another was clearly spelled out: they wanted to give people false hope, like the prison, and watch people trample over one another trying to survive - and then blow it up, showing they did all that for nothing.

No, I was just glad I could understand him, as the preview I saw months ago had him almost unintelligable. I read that he based his accent on an Irish boxer from the 20's.

I just didn't think the whole point of shutting down the city was defined well - let alone actually showing people trample over one another to survive. I guess it kinda did, but I just thought at first to could have been more prevalent.

[fezident]

I absolutely LOVED Bane's voice.
I never saw any preview footage, and therefore, I don't know what his voice USED to sound like. But the voice/effect that was used in the final cut of the movie was AMAZING. It was simulataneously playful AND menacing.
Like a cross between Hannibal Lecter and Darth Vader. It was really well done.


I noticed the overall New Yorkiness of the exterior shots. It kinda didn't even occur to me that it was supposed to be Gotham. I just kinda thought it was in New York, and that's that. Every once in a while... it woul hit me that it was Gotham.
Whatever.
Unlike Ron, it did not bother me. (Ron has mentioned that "Gotham is Chicago" no fewer than 100x whenever they discuss TDK)

AGREED: Selina Kyle's friend/lover seemed like dead weight. Who the fuck was she?

As for the themes, I (briefly) wondered if the writers were trying to make some kinda statement that "the one percent PROTECTS the 99 percent".
All Bruce Wayne's billions... all his R&D.... all his resources.... were being used -one way or another- for the betterment of the city/planet.
I thought MAYBE there was a touch of "calm down John Q Public.... a lot of the one percent's money is used for YOUR benefit."
But.. I quickly dismissed that theory. I realized I was overthinking it.

I mentioned my theory to a coworker, and they thought perhaps I was on to something.

Having said that... this script was finished before the occupy movement was even a movement.

[HBox]

This is the girl who was with Selina. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Robinson_(fictional_character))

But what really took me out was Taila's willingness to just blow herself and Bane up with the nuke. I didn't think the League Of Shadows was a suicide group. But rather they would stick around, watch their work, and then go back to whatever while the world rebuilds. If she were to just nuke herself, she'd never get any satisifaction or even see what the results would be, other than pushing the button. I don't think that made much sense.

I don't believe it was originally a suicide plot. Talia and especially Bane showed great surprise that Batman had made it back to Gotham. At that point with Batman freeing the police and organizing the all out assault on the League and the bomb they had to stay to make sure it ultimately went off. Remember, they are pretty much a cult. In the first scene of the movie one of the soldiers willingly dies on the plane to make sure the crash does not look suspicious. They have no problem dying if they had to, and Batman eventually made them exactly that if they were going to detonate the bomb.

[Furtherman]

I don't believe it was originally a suicide plot. Talia and especially Bane showed great surprise that Batman had made it back to Gotham. At that point with Batman freeing the police and organizing the all out assault on the League and the bomb they had to stay to make sure it ultimately went off. Remember, they are pretty much a cult. In the first scene of the movie one of the soldiers willingly dies on the plane to make sure the crash does not look suspicious. They have no problem dying if they had to, and Batman eventually made them exactly that if they were going to detonate the bomb.

OK, but I figured they would be it for the League Of Shadows. Once they die, that would be it, for the group. I guess there could be others of course but it just seemed like she and Bane were it.

[HBox]

OK, but I figured they would be it for the League Of Shadows. Once they die, that would be it, for the group. I guess there could be others of course but it just seemed like she and Bane were it.

True, but in Begins it seemed like Bruce had wiped them out twice. I think they are meant to be a much larger and more shadowy group than has been directly hinted at in the movies.

[newport king]

Im going to the 2 pm show today. Ive read the spoilers on here so not much in the way of suprises coming. I rewatched the first one last night on syfy. Wasn't a big Ra's al Ghul/League of Shadows fan so im hoping for the best.

[Dirtbag]

I don't think Bane and Talia even technically are the League of Shadows. Bane got either kicked out or not even accepted in the first place, and Talia seems more concerned with the legacy of her father than the purpose of the League.

[underdog]

It didn't bother you bane sounded like an auto-tuned Sean Connery?

It was laughably bad.

[newport king]

Liked it. Banes voice was a huge mistake. Then again for the last 3 movies Batman sounded like an asshole too. Loved the ending.

[deliciousV]

Liked it. Banes voice was a huge mistake. Then again for the last 3 movies Batman sounded like an asshole too. Loved the ending.

Yeah, that voice is a mystery, I can't figure out why they would release it that way, I caught maybe 65% of what he said. The voice sounded cool, but that ain't worth a damn if you can't understand what's being said.

other than that I loved the movie.

[Furtherman]

Im going to the 2 pm show today. Ive read the spoilers on here so not much in the way of suprises coming. I rewatched the first one last night on syfy. Wasn't a big Ra's al Ghul/League of Shadows fan so im hoping for the best.

Liked it. Banes voice was a huge mistake. Then again for the last 3 movies Batman sounded like an asshole too. Loved the ending.

Liked it even though you were not a big League of Shadows fan? I wasn't going to say anything but I thought you might come back a bit disappointed.

[newport king]

Liked it even though you were not a big League of Shadows fan? I wasn't going to say anything but I thought you might come back a bit disappointed.

Yeah i didnt mind it. I think it was more Liam Neeson that bugged me in the 1st movie. I didnt even mind that Gotham was PittsburghNewYork. The one thing i'll call absolute bullshit on is Hines Ward running back a kickoff. Im willing to suspend my beliefs for a movie but come on!

[Furtherman]

The one thing i'll call absolute bullshit on is Hines Ward running back a kickoff. Im willing to suspend my beliefs for a movie but come on!

:laugh:

[newport king]

Also Anne Hathaway may have surpassed Julie Newmar as my fav Catwoman ever.

[underdog]

Liked it. Banes voice was a huge mistake. Then again for the last 3 movies Batman sounded like an asshole too. Loved the ending.

Man, I thought the ending was horrendous and was a giant ham-fisted, blatantly obvious cop-out.

[sailor]

Yeah i didnt mind it. I think it was more Liam Neeson that bugged me in the 1st movie. I didnt even mind that Gotham was PittsburghNewYork. The one thing i'll call absolute bullshit on is Hines Ward running back a kickoff. Im willing to suspend my beliefs for a movie but come on!

And he didn't notice the entire field blowing up directly behind him the entire way?

[TripleSkeet]

Man, I thought the ending was horrendous and was a giant ham-fisted, blatantly obvious cop-out.

I dont see why. This movie was loosely based on the Knightfall storyline.....and he doesnt die in it.

[newport king]

Man, I thought the ending was horrendous and was a giant ham-fisted, blatantly obvious cop-out.

Im using my cell so i cant do spoiler tags, but if youre in this thread and havent seen it, fuck you and your spoiler bitching...they couldnt kill off bruce wayne. Dug that he took off with Selina to start a new life. Whats gonna happen with J. Gordon Levitt? Thought that was cool. Michael Caine was also terriffic in this movie.

Im not saying it was without its faults. Bane's voice and Tom Hardy being chief among them. If they were going to do that silly voice they couldve got a much more imposing guy to play him and have someone do the voice over. I thought it was a good ending to the trilogy.

[Furtherman]

Another part that bothered me was right after he escaped from the prison... he's back in Gotham and just happens to run into Selina. HTF did that happen?

Maybe there is a deleted scene that goes there, as that's a coincidence you see in movies with a lower budget.

[TripleSkeet]

Im using my cell so i cant do spoiler tags, but if youre in this thread and havent seen it, fuck you and your spoiler bitching...they couldnt kill off bruce wayne. Dug that he took off with Selina to start a new life. Whats gonna happen with J. Gordon Levitt? Thought that was cool. Michael Caine was also terriffic in this movie.

Im not saying it was without its faults. Bane's voice and Tom Hardy being chief among them. If they were going to do that silly voice they couldve got a much more imposing guy to play him and have someone do the voice over. I thought it was a good ending to the trilogy.

I think I wouldve liked it better if he had gotten his money back. I mean whats JGL supposed to do with all that stuff, but no training or money or anyone to help him???

[newport king]

Also the Hobbit trailer makes me want to watch the LOTR trilogy which ive never seen 10 minutes of.

Superman is on Deadliest Catch? Ok.

Never sat thru the original Total Recall but new one looks ok.

The Denzel plane crash movie looks decent too.

Oz looks dope. Shook my head at first but the effects look cool.

[underdog]

Another part that bothered me was right after he escaped from the prison... he's back in Gotham and just happens to run into Selina. HTF did that happen?

Maybe there is a deleted scene that goes there, as that's a coincidence you see in movies with a lower budget.

This was one of my major issues with the movie. It was nearly 3hrs long but everything important or having to do with plot was SO rushed. Points that were unnecessary went on forever.

[underdog]

Also the Hobbit trailer makes me want to watch the LOTR trilogy which ive never seen 10 minutes of.

Superman is on Deadliest Catch? Ok.

Never sat thru the original Total Recall but new one looks ok.

The Denzel plane crash movie looks decent too.

Oz looks dope. Shook my head at first but the effects look cool.

I just keep getting The Watch previews when I go see movies, and that looks fucking awful.

[brettmojo]

Another part that bothered me was right after he escaped from the prison... he's back in Gotham and just happens to run into Selina. HTF did that happen?
He's Batman.

[HBox]

Another part that bothered me was right after he escaped from the prison... he's back in Gotham and just happens to run into Selina. HTF did that happen?

Maybe there is a deleted scene that goes there, as that's a coincidence you see in movies with a lower budget.

It wasn't right after he escaped. I believe right before he attempted his last climb he said there were 8 days before the bomb went off. He meets with Selina half a day before the bomb is going off. So he had a week to get back into Gotham and find her.

[TripleSkeet]

It wasn't right after he escaped. I believe right before he attempted his last climb he said there were 8 days before the bomb went off. He meets with Selina half a day before the bomb is going off. So he had a week to get back into Gotham and find her.

I wish they wouldve spread it out more. Instead of 5 months made it 1 year or 18 months.

[Furtherman]

It wasn't right after he escaped. I believe right before he attempted his last climb he said there were 8 days before the bomb went off. He meets with Selina half a day before the bomb is going off. So he had a week to get back into Gotham and find her.

OK, even so... he's broke, on the other side of the planet it seems, and he still made it back... how? Like underdog said, that was very rushed.

[Misteriosa]

OK, even so... he's broke, on the other side of the planet it seems, and he still made it back... how? Like underdog said, that was very rushed.

maybe he called in some favors? :unsure: and why isnt a lot of this stuff in spoiler tags? have we confirmed that everyone who checks in this thread saw the movie?

eta: i added to the thread title. the warning has been sent.

[brettmojo]

It's a thread to discuss the movie. The movie is out. Thread clicker beware.

After he left Gotham in the first movie he lived with no money but still got around the world. He probably had no problem finding his way back from what he learned then.

[Misteriosa]

It's a thread to discuss the movie. The movie is out. Thread clicker beware.

it *just* came out. I'm sure there were sold-out shows. i would have given it another week before omiting the spoiler tags :o

that being said, your avvie is hysterical.

[brettmojo]

it *just* came out. I'm sure there were sold-out shows. i would have given it another week before omiting the spoiler tags :o

that being said, your avvie is hysterical.
Some one should really sneak into Romney's bedroom one night and shave his head. HA!

I avoided this thread for three days. Then again I avoided everything about this movie for months so nothing would get spoiled for me. I'm actually surprised it worked. I don't know what people who haven't seen the movie would expect to see in this thread at this point other than people discussing it.

[TripleSkeet]

Some one should really sneak into Romney's bedroom one night and shave his head. HA!

I avoided this thread for three days. Then again I avoided everything about this movie for months so nothing would get spoiled for me. I'm actually surprised it worked. I don't know what people who haven't seen the movie would expect to see in this thread at this point other than people discussing it.

Im still getting people to bite on my Facebook "spoilers". Last night I had one girl pissed at me because I said it turns out Harvey Dent is still alive.

[brettmojo]

Im still getting people to bite on my Facebook "spoilers". Last night I had one girl pissed at me because I said it turns out Harvey Dent is still alive.
I made a post earlier about it all being a dream of Alfred's and I've had two people fall for it already.

[underdog]

OK, even so... he's broke, on the other side of the planet it seems, and he still made it back... how? Like underdog said, that was very rushed.

And he appears on an island that is impossible to escape, only he has no friends, money or gadgets.

It was my most ridiculous part of the movie other than Bane being killed by Catwoman with a single shot and then NEVER mentioned again. A main character dying and it's SO fucking anti-climactic.

[underdog]

I also hated the whole Harvey Dent story line. Like a 1/3 of the movie spent to build up the Commissioner being disgraced, and it's immediately forgotten about in the next scene.

[underdog]

I made a post earlier about it all being a dream of Alfred's and I've had two people fall for it already.

You just reminded me of the nonsense Alfred storyline.

This movie sucked. The more I think about it, the more I hate it.

Between this and Prometheus, I don't think I've ever been let down more by movies in a single year.

[HBox]

And he appears on an island that is impossible to escape, only he has no friends, money or gadgets.

It was my most ridiculous part of the movie other than Bane being killed by Catwoman with a single shot and then NEVER mentioned again. A main character dying and it's SO fucking anti-climactic.

He is fucking Batman. If there is ANYONE who is an expert of getting in and around Gotham unseen it's fucking BATMAN. And it's not like Gotham was a completely impenetrable fortress. Those 3 spec ops guys got in too. And they weren't fucking BATMAN.

Not to mention he spent his entire life between leaving Gotham and returning as Batman traveling the world anonymously and without movie. There are a few logistical problems with the plot but this is not one of them.

[TripleSkeet]

He is fucking Batman. If there is ANYONE who is an expert of getting in and around Gotham unseen it's fucking BATMAN. And it's not like Gotham was a completely impenetrable fortress. Those 3 spec ops guys got in too. And they weren't fucking BATMAN.

Not to mention he spent his entire life between leaving Gotham and returning as Batman traveling the world anonymously and without movie. There are a few logistical problems with the plot but this is not one of them.

I dont think the problem was him getting INTO Gotham, that was easy actually. He couldve just climbed that pile of cars blocking the tunnel. I think they meant how he got back TO Gotham from a place that looked like it was halfway around the world.

That being said, Im with you. Its a comic book movie. Even though it tries to lean on realism more than any of the other comic book movies, I dont usually gripe about things in them that are unrealistic.

[HBox]

You just reminded me of the nonsense Alfred storyline.

This movie sucked. The more I think about it, the more I hate it.

Between this and Prometheus, I don't think I've ever been let down more by movies in a single year.

There is a great point made at the end of this review:

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Some movies are about the plot, like when they mention those Star Trek movies. There is no deeper meaning there. Those movies are about exactly what's happening and nothing more.

The Batman movies have been about a lot more. Order vs. chaos, sacrifice, revenge, obligation, dealing with tragedy, etc. If something is mildly unbelievable in the plot it can be forgiven because this movie is not about whether how long it took Bruce Wayne to get from a nameless foreign country to Gotham City is too fast to be believable. And if you are unwilling to let trivial stuff like that go but not a microwave emitter that spreads fear gas through exploded water pipes or the Joker's incredible ability to determine exactly how events will unfold before they happen you are only ruining the movie for yourself.

[PapaBear]

My only real annoyance was that they kept saying "DWP". What's that? Department of Works Public?

[cougarjake13]

diplomatic water parks

[Furtherman]

And if you are unwilling to let trivial stuff like that go but not a microwave emitter that spreads fear gas through exploded water pipes or the Joker's incredible ability to determine exactly how events will unfold before they happen you are only ruining the movie for yourself.

I watched Batman Begins and TDK before I saw the new one, and I have to agree. Despite the "realness", if you will of the movies considering Batman has no superpowers, there are leaps in logic you have to take and I think that is even more prevalent in TDK. I think the Joker's presence might have overshadowed plot holes and logistics in his chaos. Raz Al Ghul mentions that he is immortal in BB, and maybe it might have made the movie a little cooler if he actually was. So looking at it this way, I guess those flaws which stood out in TDKR could be overlooked to make the movie more enjoyable.

I need to see it again.

[brettmojo]

Raz teases that he is immortal. "But is Raz Al Ghul immortal? Are his methods... Supernatural?" He doesn't really come out and say he is.

It'd be cool if they made him like the Dread Pirate Roberts. Someone just carries on the name after the previous one dies or retires.

[newport king]

HINES FUCKIN WARD ran back a kickoff! Stop looking for realism.

Also i assumed the pit prison was in Turkey or in that region

[underdog]

HINES FUCKIN WARD ran back a kickoff! Stop looking for realism.

Also i assumed the pit prison was in Turkey or in that region

If I suspend all reality, there are still giant holes and flaws with the movie. The very beginning scene, Bane, the rushing of important plot points, the DRAGGING of nonsense (Harvey Dent storyline, Alfred storyline).

The entire Alfred storyline wasted tons of time and ONLY existed to set up some awful, unnecessary ending.

Catwoman and Batman make zero sense being together, seeing that they spent about 4 minutes screen time together. Bane is this very important character and then is killed with a single shot and just disappears. Never spoken about or mentioned again. Even his death was anti-climactic.

And the huge twist took like 40 seconds, and then BOOM, done. As my friend put it, "Marilyn Cotillard isn't who she says she is, that's interesting. Oh, she's dead now. At least she spit her whole history in a 90 second run on sentence before doing so."

They dragged out the first 2 to 2.5 hours of the movie, then shoved everything important into the end.

I was so dissatisfied leaving the theater.

[HBox]

If I suspend all reality, there are still giant holes and flaws with the movie. The very beginning scene, Bane, the rushing of important plot points, the DRAGGING of nonsense (Harvey Dent storyline, Alfred storyline).

The entire Alfred storyline wasted tons of time and ONLY existed to set up some awful, unnecessary ending.

Catwoman and Batman make zero sense being together, seeing that they spent about 4 minutes screen time together. Bane is this very important character and then is killed with a single shot and just disappears. Never spoken about or mentioned again. Even his death was anti-climactic.

And the huge twist took like 40 seconds, and then BOOM, done. As my friend put it, "Marilyn Cotillard isn't who she says she is, that's interesting. Oh, she's dead now. At least she spit her whole history in a 90 second run on sentence before doing so."

They dragged out the first 2 to 2.5 hours of the movie, then shoved everything important into the end.

I was so dissatisfied leaving the theater.

What is your problem with the ending and the Alfred storyline? They've been setting up the ending for two movies now. How many times did Bruce say he was looking for a way out in The Dark Knight? In this trilogy he did not want to be Batman forever. This is clearly established. So after all he's done for Gotham what exactly is the problem with him having a happy ending? What purpose is served by him dying at the end? And Alfred was gone half way through the movie and didn't return until the last 5 minutes. How did it "waste tons of time?" I would have preferred more of Alfred. He's been one of the strengths of the entire series. And how is the Harvey Dent storyline a waste? It was the center of the last movie and huge part of Bane's plot to manipulate the people of Gotham. It was a huge part of developing Blake too.

And what more should they have done with Bane? By the time he's killed his backstory and motivations have been clearly established. Are they supposed to sit around and talk about him some more or go recover the nuke that's gonna go off in minutes?

I mean you complain that the movie is too long and your answer is to cut out huge pieces of the story central to character's motivations and instead expand on stuff that already happens.

Seriously, what exactly is the point of giving more time to Bane after he dies when he dies with 15 minutes left of a movie that caps off a trilogy. He's dead, he's not coming back and the story is over. What could possibly be added after he's dead that adds anything to movie?

[brettmojo]

They had to deal with the bomb. It was going off in minutes. Maybe they could have had a little conversation on the way to the bomb like,"Hey Catwoman, you totally shot Bane with the Batpod..." and she could have said,"Yeah, I totally like killed him." and he could have said,"Thanks, that was awesome." Batman got his revenge on him, fought him through the streets, into the court building, beat him down, had him defeated. His character was thoroughly defeated. Catwoman even got her revenge on him by being the one that put him down.

There was no way NONE chance that whoever the villain was in this movie that it would live up to Ledger and the Joker. Going into the movie knowing this I don't know what about the Bain character you find unbelievable in this COMIC BOOK movie.

Catwoman pretty much brought Bruce Wayne out of the hole he was living in. Brought him back into the world... Finally got him to move on from sad turtle face... Saved his life. For Catwoman Batman/Bruce brought out something in her she didn't know she had integrity or care about the welfare of others or whatever bullshit that made her a better person. He came back to save her and Gotham after she pretty much betrayed him. They both wanted a new life.

Alfred's whole purpose throughout the trilogy was taking care of Bruce. Being his check against going off the deep end with being the Batman. He wanted Bruce to move on, have a life, be happy and as long as he was Batman, as long as he focused on his anger and memory that wasn't going to happen. He didn't want him to return to Gotham after he disappeared in Begins because he knew that's all that the city had for him was misery... Other than Rachel. He didn't tell him about the letter to spare him the pain and spend the rest of his life broken. What he wanted was for him to move on and that finally happened at the end of Rises. That was the payoff for three movies of Alfred's efforts. Much much more than for a single scene early in the movie.

I think Talia deserved more time as being Talia on screen. Not a big deal to me but whatever. I've always liked the character and it would have been nice if she was more prominent.

[underdog]

There was no way NONE chance that whoever the villain was in this movie that it would live up to Ledger and the Joker. Going into the movie knowing this I don't know what about the Bain character you find unbelievable in this COMIC BOOK movie.

I actually liked Bain (Bane? I don't even know the correct spelling anymore, fuck you Romney)! I thought he was a great villain (I just thought his voice was a joke). He deserved more of a death.

Him being shot and Catwoman saying, "you know your stance about guns? I don't agree." And then that being IT was retarded. Almost as retarded as Alfred talking about how he's always dreamed of seeing Bruce Wayne at a cafe and them never exchanging words and then THE FUCKING MOVIE ENDING THE EXACT SAME WAY. There was zero drama at the end.

I can't believe you people could watch a movie with a completely foreshadowed and obvious stupid ending and act like it was good! It's like when I they showed a preview for The Watch before the movie and almost the entire theater was laughing. I don't fucking understand it at all.

Did Christopher Nolan even have anything to do with this movie, or did he just attach his name to it?

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe its because Ive read the backstory to Bane, but I thought they did him more than justice. In the comics, he puts together a group of 3 super villain underlings, and they break Arkham Asylum wide open so he can watch Batman in action. Then he waits til Batman is completely exhausted, he goes non-stop with very little rest for weeks trying to capture all the escapees. Then when he can barely walk, Bane challenges him. (In the comics he finds out hes Bruce Wayne the same way, just by looking at him). He is also completely juiced up on this stuff Venom that pumps into his brain and is like an ultra steroid that bulks him up immediately. He breaks Batmans back and leaves him for dead.

The only thing is, when he does come back, Banes already been beaten by another guy posing as Batman. So they dont fight. Then Bane decides to get off Venom, bulk up himself, and escape from jail to be a good guy, going after those that push the drug. This movies Bane was way better.

As far as Catwoman goes, they both were looking for a frsh start, and they got to the point where it seemed like they cared for each other. They did date awhile in the comics too. Also, she blasted Bane with a canon. Hes just a man, did you expect him to get up from that?

I think Talia Al Ghul shouldve had more screen time as herself, but I get they held out on that to have it be a huge twist. Her death scene was just an awful acting performance though.

[brettmojo]

I don't understand one person laughing at anything in The Watch trailer or even The Campaign trailer for that matter.

I didn't expect him to live in the end. The state he was in through the movie, him welcoming death, it wasn't until Fox found out the autopilot was working that it became sorta clear he was. First I thought he decided to off himself anyway even though he didn't have to. Even then I thought Alfred was just imagining it at first. I also thought Nolan wouldn't leave it open for someone else to come along and continue the franchise.

The only thing that bothered me was Blake's given name being Robin. That was just a snarky nod to the fanboys and really didn't need to be included in the movie.

No drama at the end? This I don't get. The bad guy never wins in a movie. So of course everything is gonna' work out favorably for the good guy one way or another. From that standpoint it's not like you don't know who's going to win. It's the situations and how they're resolved that are dramatic. You had the people trapped on the bridge, you had the people trapped in the city without a way to shut down the bomb and then Batman flies off into the sunset with the bomb. Catwoman blows the debris away and is presented with running off or staying to help Batman who defeats Bane only to be betrayed/surprised by Ra's daughter. Bane is gonna' kill Batman, nope Catwoman saves him. Gordon finds out Wayne is Batman. THEN it ends with Wayne and Selina alive together in a new life and Blake discovering the Bat Cave.

Yeah there was a lot going on in this movie... Especially towards the end. Maybe too much for some. Dark Knight had the ferry situation, Dent and Gordon, Batman taking the fall. But then people bitched about the "Hero Gotham needs" thing too. Makes me think people want to be disappointed by these movies for some reason.

[joeyballsack]

Is it certain that Bane was dead ? They left it open as far as I was concerned.

Also, Hines Ward returned a kickoff for a TD in the 2005 Pro Bowl, so it was the most realistic thing in the movie.

[Furtherman]

Raz teases that he is immortal. "But is Raz Al Ghul immortal? Are his methods... Supernatural?" He doesn't really come out and say he is.

You're right. I was just thinking it might have been a good twist if he was, add a little comic book magic to the comic book movie.



And what more should they have done with Bane? By the time he's killed his backstory and motivations have been clearly established. Are they supposed to sit around and talk about him some more or go recover the nuke that's gonna go off in minutes?

I agree. I thought Bane's death was fitting, a nice jolt when it happened, and never thought there should be some prolouge mentioning him. They did enough backstory with the guy.


Yeah there was a lot going on in this movie... Especially towards the end. Maybe too much for some. Dark Knight had the ferry situation, Dent and Gordon, Batman taking the fall. But then people bitched about the "Hero Gotham needs" thing too. Makes me think people want to be disappointed by these movies for some reason.

TDK also had that "sonar" situation going on which was pretty ridiculious in itself.


And as for Alfred, I thought the conversations he had with Bruce about hoping he would live a different life were touching and showed the bond these two had. Orphan and father figure, alone together for a long time.

I also didn't see that cafe scene at the end as a moment when Alfred finally experienced what he always dreamed, because if that were true, I think he'd have a heart attack or start crying right there. I think it was more of a moment showing that Alfred and Bruce can now live the lives they wanted to... and that's why we see Alfred just give a nod and a smile, not a total shock of surprise.

I think Alfred knew Bruce was alive, and that's why he cried at his funeral, just to keep up appearances in front of Gordon, who learned who Batman was, but had to feel that Bruce was dead, so that all of Gotham would think he was dead.

[HBox]

I actually liked Bain (Bane? I don't even know the correct spelling anymore, fuck you Romney)! I thought he was a great villain (I just thought his voice was a joke). He deserved more of a death.

Him being shot and Catwoman saying, "you know your stance about guns? I don't agree." And then that being IT was retarded. Almost as retarded as Alfred talking about how he's always dreamed of seeing Bruce Wayne at a cafe and them never exchanging words and then THE FUCKING MOVIE ENDING THE EXACT SAME WAY. There was zero drama at the end.

I can't believe you people could watch a movie with a completely foreshadowed and obvious stupid ending and act like it was good! It's like when I they showed a preview for The Watch before the movie and almost the entire theater was laughing. I don't fucking understand it at all.

Did Christopher Nolan even have anything to do with this movie, or did he just attach his name to it?

Who cares if the ending is foreshadowed if it's effective? I mean obviously it wasn't for you but I don't see why foreshadowing would have an effect on it. The way they did it was the only way it could come off as remotely believeable, with Alfred telling him exactly where he was going on vacation and exactly what cafe he was going to. What kind of drama is there supposed at that point. That scene is THE END. It's the last chance to wrap up anything left in the story, and at that point the only thing left to wrap up is Bruce's and Alfred's relationship. I thought it was great, showing that Bruce was finally able to find a reason to live beyond Batman, that the wound between Bruce and Alfred had healed, that Alfred could know that he hadn't failed Bruce's parents. And I initially thought it was cheesy but the more I thought about it the more it made sense in the context of Nolan's Batman. At that point if you are going with a darker ending or an open ended ending you are doing it just for the sake of doing it. It doesn't serve the overall story at all.

[Furtherman]

I saw the prologue before Mission Impossible 4 (which was a great movie BTW) and it was a real exciting scene where we meet Bane. Unfortunately, one criticism I had heard turned out to be true. It was very difficult to understand Bane. I got the gist of what he was saying, but not exactly what he was doing. I hope it isn't that hard in the actual movie or we're gonna need subtitles.

Yep. It could have been much worse.

Before and after Bane audio shows how The Dark Knight Rises cleaned up the villain’s mumbles (http://io9.com/5930271/before-and-after-bane-audio-shows-how-the-dark-knight-rises-cleaned-up-the-villains-mumbles)

[brettmojo]

Saw it again today. Had no problem understanding Bane. Actually it seemed the music was louder this time and towards the end when they're racing to stop the bomb it drowned out a lot of the dialogue.

And those special forces guys must have been the least special special forces ever. They blew.

[HBox]

Yep. It could have been much worse.

Before and after Bane audio shows how The Dark Knight Rises cleaned up the villain’s mumbles (http://io9.com/5930271/before-and-after-bane-audio-shows-how-the-dark-knight-rises-cleaned-up-the-villains-mumbles)

I heard him clearly with a couple of exceptions, however Hardy had some really WEIRD line readings.

"League of SHADOOOOOOWS"

[Chigworthy]

Yep. It could have been much worse.

Before and after Bane audio shows how The Dark Knight Rises cleaned up the villain’s mumbles (http://io9.com/5930271/before-and-after-bane-audio-shows-how-the-dark-knight-rises-cleaned-up-the-villains-mumbles)

I haven't seen this pile of shit, but it sounds like they had Darryl Hammond imitate Sean Connery for those voices.

[Furtherman]

The Climbing Scenes Make No Sense (http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/07/30/the_dark_knight_rises_climbing_scenes_don_t_make_a ny_sense_at_all.html)

[fezident]

I'll tell you what doesn't make sense:
Bruce Wayne has a limp at the beginning of the movie. He puts on a special brace (courtesy of Wayne Enterprises Applied Sciences) and he is, somehow, stronger than ever.
Then... he gets thrown in jail, he no longer has the brace, and he is still (inexplicably) stronger than ever.

Why even introduce that brace??
The movie makes more sense if Bruce never wore it at all. If Bruce healed his knee through hard work, excercise, and sheer will.... it would've made it more believable that he could cure his own broken back through those same means.

[Furtherman]

I'll tell you what doesn't make sense:
Bruce Wayne has a limp at the beginning of the movie. He puts on a special brace (courtesy of Wayne Enterprises Applied Sciences) and he is, somehow, stronger than ever.
Then... he gets thrown in jail, he no longer has the brace, and he is still (inexplicably) stronger than ever.

Why even introduce that brace??
The movie makes more sense if Bruce never wore it at all. If Bruce healed his knee through hard work, excercise, and sheer will.... it would've made it more believable that he could cure his own broken back through those same means.

This is true. They showed him kick through a stone wall, but then never brought it up again.

[booster11373]

Fezs take on this is perhaps the worst position he has ever taken on any thing. Im about a week behind buy please tell me his [laying this as a bit

[sailor]

I didn't hear fez's take, but it can't beat relocating deer.

[TripleSkeet]

Fezs take on this is perhaps the worst position he has ever taken on any thing. Im about a week behind buy please tell me his [laying this as a bit

No bit.

[TripleSkeet]

I didn't hear fez's take, but it can't beat relocating deer.

Because of the shootings in Colorado, whenever he sees Batman now all he thinks is death and tragedy so he packed all of his Batman memorabilia away and is getting rid of it.

[Furtherman]

I didn't hear fez's take, but it can't beat relocating deer.

Because of the shootings in Colorado, whenever he sees Batman now all he thinks is death and tragedy so he packed all of his Batman memorabilia away and is getting rid of it.

That's pretty close to relocating deer.

[fezident]

I noticed that nobody ever mentions the writer of this film: David Goyer.

He worked on the Blade films as well. He's very much responsible for these new, darker, more realistic superhero movies.


I can't wait to see where this success takes him.

[CountryBob]

Just seen it and I am left wanting 2 things:

1. I want to see what Banes face looked like under the mask
2. I want to see Cat Woman without her suit on.

She is so delicious :wub:

[cougarjake13]

Just seen it and I am left wanting 2 things:

1. I want to see what Banes face looked like under the mask
2. I want to see Cat Woman without her suit on.

She is so delicious :wub:


yes yes yes !!!!!

[TripleSkeet]

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