Happy 1st Birthday stimulus

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well its been a year since one of the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars ever signed was born and the result? Millions more unemployed, billions of dollars wasted, a concern from China that our debt is a problem, the unemployment rate at 17.3% But his highness St Baracketh of Chicago is touting his massive scheme as a success. In his slick lawyer talk he claims that 2 million jobs were created of saved. Meanwhile most were temporary, but the hacks and handlers in teh Administration are breaking out the bubbly




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/17/AR2010021701958.html?wprss=rss_business/economy

[Serpico1103]

Well its been a year since one of the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars ever signed was born and the result? Millions more unemployed, billions of dollars wasted, a concern from China that our debt is a problem, the unemployment rate at 17.3% But his highness St Baracketh of Chicago is touting his massive scheme as a success. In his slick lawyer talk he claims that 2 million jobs were created of saved. Meanwhile most were temporary, but the hacks and handlers in teh Administration are breaking out the bubbly
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/17/AR2010021701958.html?wprss=rss_business/economy

We have been in Iraq for more than a year.
Oh, nevermind.

YEAH SOCIALISM!!!!! High taxes only affects those that pay taxes. Suckers!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We have been in Iraq for more than a year.
Oh, nevermind.

YEAH SOCIALISM!!!!! High taxes only affects those that pay taxes. Suckers!

And how much longer will we be in Afghanistan? is Gitmo closed? that deadline passed. Really think we will be out in 18 months?. What about no earmarks? How about an end to excessive bonuses? This President is really transparent

[DarkHippie]

I am better off this year than I was last year financially

[Serpico1103]

And how much longer will we be in Afghanistan? is Gitmo closed? that deadline passed. Really think we will be out in 18 months?. What about no earmarks? How about an end to excessive bonuses? This President is really transparent

As soon as the libertarian criminal candidates take office this will all be solved.
Open borders, less government. I can't wait.

[brettmojo]

And how much longer will we be in Afghanistan? is Gitmo closed? that deadline passed. Really think we will be out in 18 months?. What about no earmarks? How about an end to excessive bonuses? This President is really transparent


http://timelookingaround.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/glass%20house%20-%20main.jpg

[Furtherman]

I am better off this year than I was last year financially

Me too. By a lot. And I live in the greatest country on this planet. Things look great!

[brettmojo]

Me too. By a lot. And I live in the greatest country on this planet. Things look great!
The Netherlands?

[underdog]

I am better off this year than I was last year financially

Me, too.

And the company I work for is doing better than it has ever done.

[Hottub]

Well, my asshole has been stimulated. Not much else.

Thank you, Mr. President.

[Serpico1103]

More examples of right wing short sightedness. They prefer low taxes to jobs. Smart.

[epo]

Well, my asshole has been stimulated. Not much else.

Thank you, Mr. President.

I'm sorry that your "level" of unskilled labor got devalued.

[badmonkey]

Well, my asshole has been stimulated. Not much else.

Thank you, Mr. President.

I'm pretty sure that a handshake is still the customary greeting when meeting the President. Don't tell me you fell for the "change" bit again.

[Hottub]

I'm sorry that your "level" of unskilled labor got devalued.

Those casings aren't going to fill themselves, mister.:annoyed:

[SatCam]

Me, too.

And the company I work for is doing better than it has ever done.

Me too. By a lot. And I live in the greatest country on this planet. Things look great!

I am better off this year than I was last year financially

ok fess up guys, are you in jail, illegal aliens or both?

[DarkHippie]

ok fess up guys, are you in jail, illegal aliens or both?

I think if we made this a poll, more people would say that they are better off post stimulus than pre.

[Syd]

Keynesian economics succeed again

[Serpico1103]

Keynesian economics succeed again

Take from the rich give to the poor?

Keep it coming you 250K+ motherfuckers.

[epo]

Those casings aren't going to fill themselves, mister.:annoyed:

Hahaha!

HOTTUB IS A SAUSAGE PACKER!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More examples of right wing short sightedness. They prefer low taxes to jobs. Smart.

How is a net job loss a success? I guess your philosophy is go to vegas with 10,000 lose 9000 and win back 100 then leave

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2010/20100113150210.aspx

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Take from the rich give to the poor?

Keep it coming you 250K+ motherfuckers.


Wait till the 250 and unders get taxed

[epo]

How is a net job loss a success? I guess your philosophy is go to vegas with 10,000 lose 9000 and win back 100 then leave

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2010/20100113150210.aspx

http://dancody.org/temp/jobrecovery.jpg

[Syd]

Wait till the 250 and unders get taxed

Those making under $250 are being taxed more heavily now in post Reagan years than ever in American history. So, we're just waiting to go back to proper progressive taxation.

[Serpico1103]

How is a net job loss a success? I guess your philosophy is go to vegas with 10,000 lose 9000 and win back 100 then leave

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2010/20100113150210.aspx

Follow along.
Republicans focus more on lower taxes than worrying whether they will have a job.
My philosophy is not to complain about the odds at Las Vegas, if I don't have any chips to play with.
I prefer debates with drunken illiterate illegals to debates with you. They don't straw man the shit out of every discussion.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Follow along.
Republicans focus more on lower taxes than worrying whether they will have a job.
My philosophy is not to complain about the odds at Las Vegas, if I don't have any chips to play with.
I prefer debates with drunken illiterate illegals to debates with you. They don't straw man the shit out of every discussion.

Your philosophy is falling for the fuzzy math, hell even the drunken illiterate illegals know a failed policy when they see one

Complain about the unfunded wars, medicare part D and bailouts, TARP. those hold merits, Barry isnt doing such a stellar fiscal job either.

[TeeBone]

Follow along.
Republicans focus more on lower taxes than worrying whether they will have a job.
My philosophy is not to complain about the odds at Las Vegas, if I don't have any chips to play with.
I prefer debates with drunken illiterate illegals to debates with you. They don't straw man the shit out of every discussion.

Yet another in a long line of worthless 'writing' from an otherwise impish pixie. When are you going to realize that BOTH parties suck an equal amount of cock? Or are you so wrapped up in the finger pointing that has gotten us to this point? Nothing gets accomplished from these parties anymore---Nothing. Again, we are working on borrowed time. You are a tool, Serpico. A tool. I'd be willing to bet you are a small, little man who is incapable of thinking for himself. You sound a lot like an MSNBC anchor. I'd also be willing to bet you copy and paste most of your droppings you call, 'posts.' Leave the heavy think-work to the adults and take your slow train back to Yawnsville and out of your Parent's basement. I don't think anyone could rationally argue that the stimulus is anything other than an abject failure. Conversely, the bailout (which all you little Democrat Faggots begged for from Bush to pass and then pointed fingers at him) was a mistake also. Nothing is too big to fail. Do you honestly think any of it has made us better off? Wake up, Dick-Bucket!!!! Wake the fuck up!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The STIMULUS, TARP Bailouts were compiled with borrowed money. There was no safe deposit box in which we had these trillions of dollars to rescue every failed indusrty and devise pet projects. The money came on the other side of the balance sheet. Simple fucking accounting All this cash is a liability. It was never there to begin with.



But the lemmings will believe Barry and his handlers rescued America from the edge of the cliff.

[Serpico1103]

Yet another in a long line of worthless 'writing' from an otherwise impish pixie. When are you going to realize that BOTH parties suck an equal amount of cock? Or are you so wrapped up in the finger pointing that has gotten us to this point? Nothing gets accomplished from these parties anymore---Nothing. Again, we are working on borrowed time. You are a tool, Serpico. A tool. I'd be willing to bet you are a small, little man who is incapable of thinking for himself. You sound a lot like an MSNBC anchor. I'd also be willing to bet you copy and paste most of your droppings you call, 'posts.' Leave the heavy think-work to the adults and take your slow train back to Yawnsville and out of your Parent's basement. I don't think anyone could rationally argue that the stimulus is anything other than an abject failure. Conversely, the bailout (which all you little Democrat Faggots begged for from Bush to pass and then pointed fingers at him) was a mistake also. Nothing is too big to fail. Do you honestly think any of it has made us better off? Wake up, Dick-Bucket!!!! Wake the fuck up!!!!
Give me a hug, internet tough guy. Wrap those strong, yet balanced by an intelligent mind, arms around me.

I know both parties suck. Thanks.
I was pointing out something I hate about one party.
Should I write a 50 page paper on what I hate about both parties?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Give me a hug, internet tough guy. Wrap those strong, yet balanced by an intelligent mind, arms around me.

I know both parties suck. Thanks.
I was pointing out something I hate about one party.
Should I write a 50 page paper on what I hate about both parties?

Just don't give it to a drunken illegal to proofread.

[Serpico1103]

Just don't give it to a drunken illegal to proofread.

Will he check references as well as the Grey Lady?

[Recyclerz]

The STIMULUS, TARP Bailouts were compiled with borrowed money. There was no safe deposit box in which we had these trillions of dollars to rescue every failed indusrty and devise pet projects. The money came on the other side of the balance sheet. Simple fucking accounting All this cash is a liability. It was never there to begin with.

But the lemmings will believe Barry and his handlers rescued America from the edge of the cliff.

As to your first point it's true that the money is all borrowed and will have to be repaid. But the discipline we're talking about is economics, not accounting.

As to your 2nd point it appears that there is a pretty big group of lemmings.

Judging Stimulus by Job Data Reveals Success (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html)

But that's by a NY Times commie. How about listening to what Mark Zandi thinks?

The Impact of the Recovery Act on Economic Growth (http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/documents/JEC-Fiscal-Stimulus-102909.pdf)

You remember Mark Zandi. The economic advisor to the McCain/Palin campaign.

[underdog]

http://dancody.org/temp/jobrecovery.jpg

Is this actually accurate. I enjoy how everyone just glossed over it.

[Chigworthy]

Will he check references as well as the Grey Lady?

What do you mean by grey?

[StanUpshaw]

Is this actually accurate. I enjoy how everyone just glossed over it.

It's accurate. I have a feeling some people might interpret it as something it's not, however.
The rate at which we're losing jobs is slowing, but we're still at something like a 35-year low.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&tstart=631152000000&tunit=M&tlen=240

[epo]

Is this actually accurate. I enjoy how everyone just glossed over it.

That's because they don't have talking points to discount it.

[StanUpshaw]

That's because they don't have talking points to discount it.

What exactly is to discount? That we've (perhaps) finally hit rock bottom?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm better off than Epo.

[epo]

I'm better off than Epo.

I doubt that.

[TripleSkeet]

Im doing just as lousy now as I was doing last year. Same shit, different president.

[keithy_19]

I think if we made this a poll, more people would say that they are better off post stimulus than pre.

I'm better of financially this year, though my job just cut my hours pretty dramaticaly. Not that I put any of that on the US government.

I do get really weird text messages from Rahm Emanuel though. Not quite sure how he got my number.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Funds going to ficticious congressional districts and zip codes, now going to slashed programs? So is USA today some right wing news organization now?


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-17-stimulus-funds_N.htm

[Donnie Iris]

Funds going to ficticious congressional districts and zip codes, now going to slashed programs? So is USA today some right wing news organization now?


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-17-stimulus-funds_N.htm

Give one example of how your life has changed for the negative.

Don't give an example of what you're told to fear but rather any tangible difference that has done you harm.

Also, USA Today is written at like a 5th grade level and aimed at the masses much like much of what the Right Wing machine produces.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Give one example of how your life has changed for the negative.

Don't give an example of what you're told to fear but rather any tangible difference that has done you harm.

Also, USA Today is written at like a 5th grade level and aimed at the masses much like much of what the Right Wing machine produces.

To hell with the other 300mm people in the country right? Wheres the infrastructure improvements? how about the shovel ready jobs? Now all of a sudden USA today is part of FOX NEWS?

The implications of all this money being printed will come back to haunt us in the form of higher interest rates, higher inflation, higher commodity prices and a weaker dollar. Remember dubyas 170 billion stimulus in 2008 which was supposed to stop the recession? that worked well

Any job created was a result of many many more killed. The more stimulus, the weaker the economy gets.

[DOHO@HOME]

Stimulus Has Not Helped Out In The Construction Business In The Northeast And Other Parts Of The Country.
Most Of The Companies Have Not Been Able To Bring Back The Work Force And Most Of The Money Has Been Into Paving And Not Infrastructure Which Would Stimulate So Many More Jobs.
Until The Housing Issue Is Resloved This Stimulus Is Bullshit!
Without Residential Everything Else Fales.
Die Stimulus Die!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barry and his handlers are just putting off the inevitable, All this so called GDP growth is fuzzy math. They are using transfer payments as part of those numbers when in fact virtually nothing is really produced here anymore. Any money being spent is borrowed money. All of these programs fail look at cash for clunkers.

Theres talk of another stimulus, like 800+ billion isnt enough?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Saint Baracketh of Chicago really rescued the economy from falling off a clip.... REALLY?


http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html

[epo]

Saint Baracketh of Chicago really rescued the economy from falling off a clip.... REALLY?


http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html

Your gimmick is getting very tiresome.

[Donnie Iris]

To hell with the other 300mm people in the country right? Wheres the infrastructure improvements? how about the shovel ready jobs? Now all of a sudden USA today is part of FOX NEWS?

The implications of all this money being printed will come back to haunt us in the form of higher interest rates, higher inflation, higher commodity prices and a weaker dollar. Remember dubyas 170 billion stimulus in 2008 which was supposed to stop the recession? that worked well

Any job created was a result of many many more killed. The more stimulus, the weaker the economy gets.

Did you read my post? None of my questions were answered and your comments don't seem to correlate at all?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your gimmick is getting very tiresome.

Facts and numbers dont appeal to you? Face it, your man and his policies are failing miserably. He's facing opposition in his own party. Want some more good news?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100218/bs_nm/us_usa_economy

Is this part of the saving and creating? I know you are faithful to him but come on, look at the numbers

[Serpico1103]

Did you read my post? None of my questions were answered and your comments don't seem to correlate at all?
He is chicken little. Don't try having a discussion. It is just one sided while he googles horror stories.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you read my post? None of my questions were answered and your comments don't seem to correlate at all?

Whos being told to fear anything? Look at the results of all this massive steamrolling debt. Look at the world and whats going on. You want to listen to the spin being fed to you by Robert Gibbs et al.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He is chicken little. Don't try having a discussion. It is just one sided while he googles horror stories.

Horror stories like more job losses right? Maybe youre the one with your head in the sand

The problem with you and all the other BHO worshippers is that opposing views are dismissed as just words being pulled out of thin air, you can't stand that some on this board who are the minority dont agree with you views and must resort to childish name calling.

[Serpico1103]

Horror stories like more job losses right? Maybe youre the one with your head in the sand

The problem with you and all the other BHO worshippers is that opposing views are dismissed as just words being pulled out of thin air, you can't stand that some on this board who are the minority dont agree with you views and must resort to childish name calling.
I have no problem with you thinking barry is doing a bad job. I don't think he is changing the world. I don't think he is being as strong as a pres should be (they never are). But if you think posting job numbers is how to determine the success or failiure of his ideas you are simply an idiot. Do you think anyone of intelligence thought we would leap out of this recession in days? Show me the graphs that show the economic growth if obama did what u wanted.
Prove your side, stop just attacking the other side.

[StanUpshaw]

I have no problem with you thinking barry is doing a bad job. I don't think he is changing the world. I don't think he is being as strong as a pres should be (they never are). But if you think posting job numbers is how to determine the success or failiure of his ideas you are simply an idiot. Do you think anyone of intelligence thought we would leap out of this recession in days? Show me the graphs that show the economic growth if obama did what u wanted.
Prove your side, stop just attacking the other side.

Data only exists from one side. How can there be graphs illustrating the other?

[Serpico1103]

Data only exists from one side. How can there be graphs illustrating the other?
Part of the point. How can you be so confident that obama is doing a bad job when you can't accurately predict the outcome of a different course.
Maybe without stimulus we would be worse off, maybe we would be better off. But without clear data how can you be so sure?

[StanUpshaw]

Are you suggesting that arguing on an internet message board might be futile and completely ridiculous?

[TeeBone]

Part of the point. How can you be so confident that obama is doing a bad job when you can't accurately predict the outcome of a different course.
Maybe without stimulus we would be worse off, maybe we would be better off. But without clear data how can you be so sure?

Uhhhhh....because unemployment is higher now, coupled with a falling dollar, a debt that we continue to print money to pay for, which makes no sense and ohhhhhhhhhhh; and that little thing of being in the hole by 4 times the amount of when we started. Please see the graph below:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E_pesv8t3l4/SYk-MacCQLI/AAAAAAAAAII/xSrEaavyJDc/s400/funny-graphs-middle-finger1.gif

[Serpico1103]

Uhhhhh....because unemployment is higher now, coupled with a falling dollar, a debt that we continue to print money to pay for, which makes no sense and ohhhhhhhhhhh; and that little thing of being in the hole by 4 times the amount of when we started. Please see the graph below.
Even with your elevated understanding of global economics why do I think you are barely educated and only holding onto your stock room job because of nepotism. So, if we didn't bailout auto companies everything would be fine now?

[TeeBone]

Even with your elevated understanding of global economics why do I think you are barely educated and only holding onto your stock room job because of nepotism. So, if we didn't bailout auto companies everything would be fine now?

You just don't get it, Serpico and odds are; you never will. Try and climb your way out of the Democratic hole you have found yourself in. I know it will be hard. I know you will rely on others to do that for you, but just try. Try and believe in individualism and not auto unions, social programs, bailouts, handouts, welfare with no incentive for change and so on and so forth. Try and see that even YOU can have a good life if you work for it. That's my point. No, everything would not be fine now if we had not bailed out the auto companies, but it would have been better. Of the companies that received money, how many of them are still in financial peril? Was it worth it? Was the money we spent that seemingly did nothing but delay the inevitable actually accomplish the job other than paying back unions that help elect one of THE WORST PRESIDENTS OF ALL TIME?

[Serpico1103]

Thanks for asking ass. But I think we should have let the companies fail. I don't buy the 'too big to fail' line. But I don't have the same narrow minded black and white thought process like you. I understand that there can be two right answers. I understand that solutions need to work long term regardless of their immediate effects. But go ahead bad ass keep telling me how stupid I am.

[TeeBone]

s. But go ahead bad ass keep telling me how stupid I am.
I think I am done with you....I am sure you are a nice guy but there is no use in belaboring a point you keep making for me.

[Serpico1103]

I think I am done with you....I am sure you are a nice guy but there is no use in belaboring a point you keep making for me.
Agreed. Obama is a deity and should be worshipped as such. I am glad us liberals can stand united against the right.

[underdog]

Did you read my post? None of my questions were answered and your comments don't seem to correlate at all?

That's how he posts.

[Chigworthy]

Agreed. Obama is a deity and should be worshipped as such. I am glad us liberals can stand united against the right.

The truth comes out.

[underdog]

From the front page of that Liberal Rag The Wall Street Journal :

Factories getting ready to hire (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704398804575071652158793106.html)

Manufacturers are seeing more signs that the U.S. economic recovery is on a solid footing, opening the way for new hiring as well as call-backs for factory workers laid off during the depths of the recession.

Caterpillar Inc., the Peoria, Ill.-based heavy-equipment maker, has brought back 600 workers in the past 60 days, including 100 recalled to an engine plant in Indiana last week. Allen Edmonds Shoe Corp. has been relying on overtime to meet growing demand, but is now preparing to start adding new workers at its U.S. plants in coming weeks.

Obviously, this whole story is fabricated because Senior Juan Jobless is telling us the economy is still failing.

[Serpico1103]

The truth comes out.
I thought the truth was always there. Obama will bring us to nirvana. The path is socialism. Paved with lost freedom and individualism. Rejoice.

[Chigworthy]

Senior Juan Jobless.

Your bastardization of a Spanish word reveals your deep-seated racism. Unless you meant he was an older gentlemen, in which case you have a serious problem with elderly people.

[Chigworthy]

Obama will bring us to nirvana.

I guess African-Americans and Indians look the same to you.

[underdog]

Your bastardization of a Spanish word reveals your deep-seated racism. Unless you meant he was an older gentlemen, in which case you have a serious problem with elderly people.

I don't know how to do that thing on my keyboard and I added an "i" because I'm stupid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the front page of that Liberal Rag The Wall Street Journal :

Factories getting ready to hire (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704398804575071652158793106.html)



Obviously, this whole story is fabricated because Senior Juan Jobless is telling us the economy is still failing.

Well im sure most fo those factories got gov't contracts.

They probably applied for that tax credit, which is nothing but another shrill numbers scheme

Are you that insane, that you can't see the amount of bad news and horrible numbers out there, come on now that Obama Idol worshipping is making you sound delusional.

So basically if the Yankees go 40-122 this year however A Rod hit 400 and hit 70 HR everything is great and its time to celebrate.

[Serpico1103]

I guess African-Americans and Indians look the same to you.

More bad psychoanalysis. I guess you think race and religion are the same thing.

[Chigworthy]

More bad psychoanalysis. I guess you think race and religion are the same thing.

Your subterfuge won't undermine my ceaseless defense of minorities.

[underdog]

Well im sure most fo those factories got gov't contracts.

They probably applied for that tax credit, which is nothing but another shrill numbers scheme

Are you that insane, that you can't see the amount of bad news and horrible numbers out there, come on now that Obama Idol worshipping is making you sound delusional.

So basically if the Yankees go 40-122 this year however A Rod hit 400 and hit 70 HR everything is great and its time to celebrate.

You're so incredibly delusional.

[Serpico1103]

Your subterfuge won't undermine my ceaseless defense of minorities.

Good work. I agree with you that they are weak and to be protected. Keep it up.

[Chigworthy]

Good work. I agree with you that they are weak and to be protected. Keep it up.

The truth comes out.

[Serpico1103]

The truth comes out.
YAH!!!
How long were you hiding your feelings of superiority to minorities?
Feels good to be honest finally, right?

[Donnie Iris]

Whos being told to fear anything? Look at the results of all this massive steamrolling debt. Look at the world and whats going on. You want to listen to the spin being fed to you by Robert Gibbs et al.

How do you have any idea as to my political leanings from what I've said?


Wait, is this a board character?

[Donnie Iris]

Whos being told to fear anything? Look at the results of all this massive steamrolling debt. Look at the world and whats going on. You want to listen to the spin being fed to you by Robert Gibbs et al.


So wait, you're not scared of any of the things you've brought up? Why bring it up?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So wait, you're not scared of any of the things you've brought up? Why bring it up?

Printing all this money out of thin air is a big concern, I never said it wasn't However most people dont even know what the repercussions of this huge explosion of debt really is and that interest must be paid on it. As long as the economic illiterates keep thinking that Barry is going to fix all of this, it should be a concern

Look. Obama isnt going to take away my car or house, but his economic policies are not making things better

[Donnie Iris]

Printing all this money out of thin air is a big concern, I never said it wasn't However most people dont even know what the repercussions of this huge explosion of debt really is and that interest must be paid on it. As long as the economic illiterates keep thinking that Barry is going to fix all of this, it should be a concern

Look. Obama isnt going to take away my car or house, but his economic policies are not making things better


I really just wanted one example of how things are different in your life now as to say 3 years ago. The way you're going on, it sounds like you've really been scorned by the Obama team and was honestly curious what had happened. Or, as it now seems, if you were just buying into the studio wrestling "heel" gimmick created by either side depending on who happens to be in charge.

I'll let you respond with something that has nothing to do with what I just posted.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I really just wanted one example of how things are different in your life now as to say 3 years ago. The way you're going on, it sounds like you've really been scorned by the Obama team and was honestly curious what had happened. Or, as it now seems, if you were just buying into the studio wrestling "heel" gimmick created by either side depending on who happens to be in charge.

I'll let you respond with something that has nothing to do with what I just posted.

My WWE stock has not shot up 50%

In all seriousness, I might be paying higher taxes, there might be another push for amnesty,

Its the mood of the entire country, not just me. People were really thinking that he would ride on a white horse and save the country, but the man got over his head and the Glow'Bama effect is gone. Many of his followers have lost faith in him. I never fell for his schemes as I knew he was just another guy who gave a good speech

[StanUpshaw]

I really just wanted one example of how things are different in your life now as to say 3 years ago. The way you're going on, it sounds like you've really been scorned by the Obama team and was honestly curious what had happened. Or, as it now seems, if you were just buying into the studio wrestling "heel" gimmick created by either side depending on who happens to be in charge.

I'll let you respond with something that has nothing to do with what I just posted.

Other issues aside (for the moment), what is your assessment of the national debt? What are going to be the ramifications in the future?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Other issues aside (for the moment), what is your assessment of the national debt? What are going to be the ramifications in the future?

The supporters of this stimulus and excessive printing of money don't realize that we are delaying the inevitable which will be the entire system crashing under its own weight.

[Serpico1103]

The supporters of this stimulus and excessive printing of money don't realize that we are delaying the inevitable which will be the entire system crashing under its own weight.
As it crashes we pull everyone making 250k+ out of their golden mansions and burn all their material wealth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As it crashes we pull everyone making 250k+ out of their golden mansions and burn all their material wealth.

Then the drunken illegals can fight for the remains

[StanUpshaw]

The supporters of this stimulus and excessive printing of money don't realize that we are delaying the inevitable which will be the entire system crashing under its own weight.

If you're going to weigh in, I'd hope you'll be willing to argue your side.

What will the "crashing down" entail?

[Serpico1103]

Then the drunken illegals can fight for the remains
They won't be illegal anymore. Anarchy will reign. Of course they will still be drunk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you're going to weigh in, I'd hope you'll be willing to argue your side.

What will the "crashing down" entail?

The eventual collapse of the dollar. China can not continue to buy TSY Bonds without wanting a higher interest rate as they are concerned.

Theres also a strong possibility that they call in their markers. Then how are we supposed to pay them? This may not happen next year or even 5 years from now, but continuing on this path is going to lead to the fall of the empire.

[Serpico1103]

The eventual collapse of the dollar. China can not continue to buy TSY Bonds without wanting a higher interest rate as they are concerned.

Theres also a strong possibility that they call in their markers. Then how are we supposed to pay them? This may not happen next year or even 5 years from now, but continuing on this path is going to lead to the fall of the empire.
To be clear. Is an empire collapsing necessarily bad?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To be clear. Is an empire collapsing necessarily bad?

Some might think we are too big to fail

[Serpico1103]

Let me guess, alluding to dems and barry. How do you feel?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We are so screwed!!!!

http://budgetreform.org/sites/default/files/Red_Ink_Rising.pdf

[Serpico1103]

We are so screwed!!!!

http://budgetreform.org/sites/default/files/Red_Ink_Rising.pdf
Or taking another step towards a glorious revolution.

[Bob Impact]

They won't be illegal anymore. Anarchy will reign. Of course they will still be drunk.

Is this when I'll be getting the fat assed women I was promised?

[Furtherman]

People were really thinking that he would ride on a white horse and save the country, but the man got over his head and the Glow'Bama effect is gone. Many of his followers have lost faith in him. I never fell for his schemes as I knew he was just another guy who gave a good speech

No, they weren't.

It was only his detractors and plain 'ol haters only-because-he-was-a-democrat that were pushing some ideological messiah complex, that THEY were giving him. It was the anti-Obama crowd that raised him up so high that any mistake would look like a glorious fall.

Now, of course, there most likely were a few who really did think that, but if you thought they had any voice or were to be believed, then there isn't a difference between them and those who fell for the "he would ride on a white horse and save the country" shtick that conservative radio has been touting.

[Bob Impact]

No, they weren't.

It was only his detractors and plain 'ol haters only-because-he-was-a-democrat that were pushing some ideological messiah complex, that THEY were giving him. It was the anti-Obama crowd that raised him up so high that any mistake would look like a glorious fall.

Now, of course, there most likely were a few who really did think that, but if you thought they had any voice or were to be believed, then there isn't a difference between them and those who fell for the "he would ride on a white horse and save the country" shtick that conservative radio has been touting.

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I actually agree with most of your point, I'm just saying.

[Bob Impact]

No, they weren't.

It was only his detractors and plain 'ol haters only-because-he-was-a-democrat that were pushing some ideological messiah complex, that THEY were giving him. It was the anti-Obama crowd that raised him up so high that any mistake would look like a glorious fall.

Now, of course, there most likely were a few who really did think that, but if you thought they had any voice or were to be believed, then there isn't a difference between them and those who fell for the "he would ride on a white horse and save the country" shtick that conservative radio has been touting.

Also,
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[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, they weren't.

It was only his detractors and plain 'ol haters only-because-he-was-a-democrat that were pushing some ideological messiah complex, that THEY were giving him. It was the anti-Obama crowd that raised him up so high that any mistake would look like a glorious fall.

Now, of course, there most likely were a few who really did think that, but if you thought they had any voice or were to be believed, then there isn't a difference between them and those who fell for the "he would ride on a white horse and save the country" shtick that conservative radio has been touting.

It was the political lemmings and the media who glorified him. I am mocking this schtick. I always pictured him as another sleazebag politician from Chicago

[Chigworthy]

YAH!!!

I imagined you making the Howard Dean scream.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another "success" of BHOs stimulus. And the fucking lemmmings think the guhbmint can really handle healthcare?


http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/stimulus-weatherization-jobs-president-obama-congress-recovery-act/story?id=9780935


Whats your excuse for this?

[Serpico1103]

People were really thinking that he would ride on a white horse and save the country, but the man got over his head and the Glow'Bama effect is gone. Many of his followers have lost faith in him. I never fell for his schemes as I knew he was just another guy who gave a good speech

You do realize this makes you "look" like a rube. Most people just didn't want a republican after Bush, especially one who took Palin along. Sure find some nuts saying Obama is going to be a savior, but that is what the media does and you fell for it.
The VAST majority of people just hoped he wouldnt attack any more countries.

I imagined you making the Howard Dean scream.

It was more a rock scream.

[Bob Impact]

You do realize this makes you "look" like a rube. Most people just didn't want a republican after Bush, especially one who took Palin along. Sure find some nuts saying Obama is going to be a savior, but that is what the media does and you fell for it.
The VAST majority of people just hoped he wouldnt attack any more countries.

I'm reasonably with you but I think the truth is in the middle if the two of you... there are far more people who voted for Obama because he was black or because they thought he was some type of savior than the left wants to admit and there are far less than the right wants to admit. The rest of us knew that he wasn't and certainly knew that anything involving Palin was destined to be a punchline in a decade.

[Serpico1103]

I'm reasonably with you but I think the truth is in the middle if the two of you... there are far more people who voted for Obama because he was black or because they thought he was some type of savior than the left wants to admit and there are far less than the right wants to admit. The rest of us knew that he wasn't and certainly knew that anything involving Palin was destined to be a punchline in a decade.

I agree.
Don't tell anyone.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I made 30% less last year! That's a stimulas, to get a new job.

[Hottub]

That would be stimuli.

[Bob Impact]

I agree.
Don't tell anyone.

This'll be out little secret.
















































See you at the gym. :bye:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You do realize this makes you "look" like a rube. Most people just didn't want a republican after Bush, especially one who took Palin along. Sure find some nuts saying Obama is going to be a savior, but that is what the media does and you fell for it.
The VAST majority of people just hoped he wouldnt attack any more countries.



It was more a rock scream.

The rubes are the ones who elevated him to Messiah status and thought he was the answer to the country's problems, you should see the documentary on HBO about the campaign and election. I was just an onlooker looking at the insanity and the pathetic actions of the masses. Like I said, I knew from the DNC of 2004 that hes just another politician, The people who voted for him took the bait from Axelrod. As far as attacking other countries add Pakistan to the list.

[Serpico1103]

The rubes are the ones who elevated him to Messiah status and thought he was the answer to the country's problems, you should see the documentary on HBO about the campaign and election. I was just an onlooker looking at the insanity and the pathetic actions of the masses. Like I said, I knew from the DNC of 2004 that hes just another politician, The people who voted for him took the bait from Axelrod. As far as attacking other countries add Pakistan to the list.

Again. If you think the majority of people that voted for Obama, thought he was a messiah you are stupid. Plain and simple.
Some people thought Bush was a Nazi. Did most people? No.

Try to be intellectually honest or curious. I can't hope for both.

[Bob Impact]

The rubes are the ones who elevated him to Messiah status and thought he was the answer to the country's problems, you should see the documentary on HBO about the campaign and election. I was just an onlooker looking at the insanity and the pathetic actions of the masses. Like I said, I knew from the DNC of 2004 that hes just another politician, The people who voted for him took the bait from Axelrod. As far as attacking other countries add Pakistan to the list.

Come on WF, I tend to agree with you a LOT but if you did that documentary with people that voted for Bush it would end up exactly the same. The "masses" are really, really stupid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again. If you think the majority of people that voted for Obama, thought he was a messiah you are stupid. Plain and simple.
Some people thought Bush was a Nazi. Did most people? No.

Try to be intellectually honest or curious. I can't hope for both.

And try being realistic, its not too hard. From the beginning he was touted as the next big thing. I know it pains you to see itty bitty Barack taking criticism and not being coddled, but get over it already, the charm of Obama is gone

[Serpico1103]

And try being realistic, its not too hard. From the beginning he was touted as the next big thing. I know it pains you to see itty bitty Barack taking criticism and not being coddled, but get over it already, the charm of Obama is gone

TOUTED BY WHO AS THE NEXT BIG THING? THE MEDIA, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE "STORY" RUBES WANTED. BOTH ON THE LEFT, TO LOVE HIM, AND ON THE RIGHT, TO HATE HIM.

Getting it yet?
What's next? Britney Spears is a musical genius because she was always on tabloids?
You can't be this dense.

Critique away. Just stop with the "the god has fallen" routine. Trust me, if McCain hadn't picked Palin I would have thought about voting for him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

TOUTED BY WHO AS THE NEXT BIG THING? THE MEDIA, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE "STORY" RUBES WANTED. BOTH ON THE LEFT, TO LOVE HIM, AND ON THE RIGHT, TO HATE HIM.

Getting it yet?
What's next? Britney Spears is a musical genius because she was always on tabloids?
You can't be this dense.

Critique away. Just stop with the "the god has fallen" routine. Trust me, if McCain hadn't picked Palin I would have thought about voting for him.

Again, people opposed to Obama see him as another politician

Now youre really being disingenuous, you would have voted for McCain/Huckabee if the was his VEEP choice?

McCain wouldnt have been any better.

[Serpico1103]

Again, people opposed to Obama see him as another politician

McCain wouldnt have been any better.

Still fighting the truth aren't you.
Most people saw him as "another politician."

I can't say he would have been better than Obama. I wish he would have beaten GW though.
Anywho.... I'll check back in later for some illegal rants and Obama is no longer a god updates.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Still fighting the truth aren't you.
Most people saw him as "another politician."

I can't say he would have been better than Obama. I wish he would have beaten GW though.
Anywho.... I'll check back in later for some illegal rants and Obama is no longer a god updates.

How about McCain/Romney? Like you would pull a lever for that one

Get back to me on that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres the latest boondoggle by Barry. Sign an executive order and create another blue ribbon panel. With all his handlers , bureaucrats and czars the SOB really needs to come up with this

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/16/obama.fiscal.panel/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[Recyclerz]

Heres the latest boondoggle by Barry. Sign an executive order and create another blue ribbon panel. With all his handlers , bureaucrats and czars the SOB really needs to come up with this

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/16/obama.fiscal.panel/index.html?section=cnn_latest

OK, the only explanations I can come up with for this monomanical obsession is that Obama stole his bike as a kid or that Wrestlingfan used to date Michelle Robinson and she dumped him for Barack.

I really would like to debate policy issues on the board occasionally with buddays on the right side of the political spectrum to challenge my own biases and opinions. But it seems to me that most of the self-identified right have tossed out critical thought and replaced it with a rabid tribalism characterized only by ad hominem attack on anybody identified as other. The Right, and this country, need more William F. Buckley and less Rush Limbaugh.

[Bob Impact]

OK, the only explanations I can come up with for this monomanical obsession is that Obama stole his bike as a kid or that Wrestlingfan used to date Michelle Robinson and she dumped him for Barack.

I really would like to debate policy issues on the board occasionally with buddays on the right side of the political spectrum to challenge my own biases and opinions. But it seems to me that most of the self-identified right have tossed out critical thought and replaced it with a rabid tribalism characterized only by ad hominem attack on anybody identified as other. The Right, and this country, need more William F. Buckley and less Rush Limbaugh.

Figures you lefty pinko perverts would think that.

[Recyclerz]

Figures you lefty pinko perverts would think that.

Ayn Rand was a lousy in bed. :wink:

[TeeBone]

Ayn Rand was a lousy in bed. :wink:

But a Genius and brilliant writer, nonetheless.
Who is John Galt, bitches?!?!?!

[epo]

But a Genius and brilliant writer, nonetheless.
Who is John Galt, bitches?!?!?!

90-minute radio speech.

John Galt was a fucking idiot.

[TeeBone]

90-minute radio speech.

John Galt was a fucking idiot.

I guess it cold have been dumbed down using more one syllable words to be effective for you then?

[Syd]

But a Genius and brilliant writer, nonetheless.
Who is John Galt, bitches?!?!?!

Her books are kind of like Pachelbel's Canon and I wouldn't put much stock in anyone who believes them to be well written.

[epo]

I guess it cold have been dumbed down using more one syllable words to be effective for you then?

Lengthy written work does not equate good. Especially in the rambling case of Ayn Rand.