Man burns down house and flies plane into IRS building in Austin

[Aggie]

And he left a note online ranting against IRS and all sorts of stuff.

A pilot furious with the Internal Revenue Service crashed his small plane Thursday into an office building in Austin, Texas, that houses federal tax employees, setting off a raging fire.

Officials are investigating whether the pilot, identified by authorities as Joseph Andrew Stack, a 53-year-old software engineer who lived in Texas, crashed the plane intentionally. Stack was confirmed dead.

An Internal Revenue Service office is located inside the building. About 190 IRS employees work in the building, and IRS spokesman Richard C. Sanford said the agency is trying to account for all of its workers.



http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/18/crimesider/entry6220442.shtml

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html

[JimBeam]

A friend of mine from college had written on Facebook that " This happned just near me. "

So I kinda was breaking his balls saying " like right near you within 20 miles kinda like the Trade Centers went down near me 50 minutes away. "

Come to find out he knows the guys wife.

He's taking Docorate classes w/ her at UT.

[LordJezo]

The gym was going nuts with this news today, it was on both CNN and Fox News.

One trainer in the locker room was pretty down because feels like this is going to take away even more of our freedoms by no longer allowing people to fly their jets and eventually make it so even boats and cars need to be logged. Another guy was saying how it's a false flag event being used to help jumpstart a drive to martial law, said that an ordinary citizen has been used as a sort of Manchurian candidate by the elites to make it so every day citizens are now considered criminals.

Over by the squat racks a couple of dudes had the breaking news that the NTSB was starting to look at it as not an accident and folks were telling each other to stay away from federal buildings for a while because this might be the start of more attacks to come.

Big news, everyone was talking about it.

[LordJezo]

Got back from the gym and someone had emailed me the letter they say is from the dude who did this, Joe Stack.

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.
While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.
Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.
And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!
How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.
How did I get here?
My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.
The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.
That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.
Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.
On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.
The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.
In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.
Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.
For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for aconference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here(http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).
SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.
(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:
(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.
(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.
Note:
• "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.
• "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.
• "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.
During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.
After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.
Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.
Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.
By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.
To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.
So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.
When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.
This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.
I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.
As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.
I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.
I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010

[StanUpshaw]

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.
While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.
Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.
And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!
How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.
How did I get here?
My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.
The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.
That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.
Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.
On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.
The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.
In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.
Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.
For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for aconference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.sht...ommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here(http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).
SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.
(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:
(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.
(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.
Note:
• "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.
• "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.
• "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.
During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.
After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.
Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.
Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.
By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.
To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.
So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.
When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.
This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.
I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.
As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.
I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.
I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)
02/18/2010

tl;dr

[Serpico1103]

Tried to read that ramble.
What exactly was the economic impact of that irs regulation?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How long before the teabaggers are blamed for this?

This guy is all over the place, he blames the Catholic Church, calls Bush a puppet and wanted national healthcare.

[danlaroe]

brav fucking o

[KingModem]

Guess this guy's cheese got moved too many times. I bet he is looking up on our reaction to his violence is even more mad that we are not piggybacking on his revolt.

[Aggie]

The gym was going nuts with this news today, it was on both CNN and Fox News.

One trainer in the locker room was pretty down because feels like this is going to take away even more of our freedoms by no longer allowing people to fly their jets and eventually make it so even boats and cars need to be logged. Another guy was saying how it's a false flag event being used to help jumpstart a drive to martial law, said that an ordinary citizen has been used as a sort of Manchurian candidate by the elites to make it so every day citizens are now considered criminals.

Over by the squat racks a couple of dudes had the breaking news that the NTSB was starting to look at it as not an accident and folks were telling each other to stay away from federal buildings for a while because this might be the start of more attacks to come.

Big news, everyone was talking about it.

this made me giggle.

[Death Metal Moe]

I guess God needed an angry pilot.

[pennington]

So, from what I can get from his manifesto, he and some friends tried a scheme where they became a church so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. The I.R.S. wasn't going for it and charged them for, I assume, back taxes and interest (that's the $40,000 he mentioned). Then, later in life, he got hit with extra taxes because he became an independent engineering contractor. Then he moved from California to Texas and took a pay cut.

Things didn't work out the way he planned. He's also mad at the FAA and George W. Bush for some reason. To somehow prove his point, he flew his plane into an office building. Obsessed engineers are the worst.

So the moral of the story is, pay your taxes when you're supposed to.

[Bob Impact]

I skipped to the end, read:
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
and decided I don't need to read any more.

[JimBeam]

I haven't read the full story but any fatalities other than the pilot bozo ?

[Snoogans]

I haven't read the full story but any fatalities other than the pilot bozo ?

it said 1 missing and 2 to the hospital

[Jujubees2]

Things didn't work out the way he planned. He's also mad at the FAA and George W. Bush for some reason. To somehow prove his point, he flew his plane into an office building. Obsessed engineers are the worst.


http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/tom/tom2.jpg

Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

[Thebazile78]

http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/tom/tom2.jpg

Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

I referenced the same movie earlier today on a friend's FB page. (Incidentally, she lives in Austin & works in the downtown, but nowhere near this building.)

[Serpico1103]

He kept trying new schemes and kept getting caught.
It starts with how he and his buddies were evading taxes "to bring about a re-evaluation" of the tax code.
Yeah, I buy that.

[SatCam]

nothing of value was lost

[Jujubees2]

nothing of value was lost

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.switched.com/media/2007/06/office-space-402a-061907.jpg

I don't know. I heard a red stapler is missing...

[TripleSkeet]

The gym was going nuts with this news today, it was on both CNN and Fox News.

One trainer in the locker room was pretty down because feels like this is going to take away even more of our freedoms by no longer allowing people to fly their jets and eventually make it so even boats and cars need to be logged. Another guy was saying how it's a false flag event being used to help jumpstart a drive to martial law, said that an ordinary citizen has been used as a sort of Manchurian candidate by the elites to make it so every day citizens are now considered criminals.

Over by the squat racks a couple of dudes had the breaking news that the NTSB was starting to look at it as not an accident and folks were telling each other to stay away from federal buildings for a while because this might be the start of more attacks to come.

Big news, everyone was talking about it.

Logged? Like registration? Dont we already have that? That squat racks line made me giggle too.

[underdog]

Logged? Like registration? Dont we already have that?

Next thing you know, they're going to be making us go to some sort of department to register out vehicles!

[dino_electropolis]

Am i the only person who feels and understands this guys angst?

we are all so quick to post pictures of the miserable cubicle jockey, but this guy's note was spot on....not a rambling diatribe by a madman, but a well thought out insight into what is actually happening in this country.

He did what he did, not because he was crazy, unstable, or some other buzz word, but because he had had enough.


Havent YOU had enough?
Of the bullshit? Of the lies? Of the systematic oppression of people, not by their race, but by their total net worth?

"“Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”

[Hottub]

http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/imgdetail/040309043445_falling-down-review.jpg

[Chigworthy]

The gym was going nuts

by "going", did you really mean "cupping"?

[brettmojo]

Am i the only person who feels and understands this guys angst?

we are all so quick to post pictures of the miserable cubicle jockey, but this guy's note was spot on....not a rambling diatribe by a madman, but a well thought out insight into what is actually happening in this country.

He did what he did, not because he was crazy, unstable, or some other buzz word, but because he had had enough.


Havent YOU had enough?
Of the bullshit? Of the lies? Of the systematic oppression of people, not by their race, but by their total net worth?

"“Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”
Don't you have a radio show to get up for in the morning?

[Syd]

He did what he did, not because he was crazy, unstable, or some other buzz word, but because he had had enough.

Actually, burning down your house and killing yourself while attempting to kill other people is pretty crazy, unstable and some other buzz word. He is, or was a little manchild incapable of maintaining function in society. He should have been sent to some nation full of savages in the middle east that think because they're wronged they need to go kill people.

[Dan 'Hampton]

He was rightfully pissed off at the government, went off the deep end and now he's a nut. I agree with his disatisfaction of the government, his tax evading is problematic.
Like Ron says there are two groups I hate, democrats and republicans.

[Chigworthy]

his tax evading is problematic.

And that whole arson and attempted mass murder thing, too.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Of the bullshit? Of the lies? Of the systematic oppression of people, not by their race, but by their total net worth?

No man haven't you heard, there is a "new" administration. Things are going to change.

[Dan 'Hampton]

And that whole arson and attempted mass murder thing, too.


Not to be all matrixy but the gov has got us over the barrel. Maybe you don't mind it. I'm not agreeing with what he did. I'm agreeing that this whole system is f'd.

[brettmojo]

Not to be all matrixy but the gov has got us over the barrel. Maybe you don't mind it.
http://www.freshpromotions.com.au/products/oil-barrel-stress-shape.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

Actually, burning down your house and killing yourself while attempting to kill other people is pretty crazy, unstable and some other buzz word. He is, or was a little manchild incapable of maintaining function in society. He should have been sent to some nation full of savages in the middle east that think because they're wronged they need to go kill people.

I guess u fall into the category of people who disaproved of the ending of Fight Club bc a janitor or two may have died in the process.

U speak of society? Where is te society in having different rules for different economic classes? Or where non living created entities (ie corporations) not only have more power over ur government, but are also the most protected concerns of the government.

Yeah, society

[Dan 'Hampton]

That's a pretty barrel you racist.

[Syd]

I guess u fall into the category of people who disaproved of the ending of Fight Club bc a janitor or two may have died in the process.

no, I fall into the category of people who disapproved of the ending of Fight Club because it's childish non-sense. Wah wah wah things are bad let me blow shit up because I don't know any better. It's a child throwing a temper tantrum over a toy taken away from him, destroying whatever is near.

U speak of society? Where is te society in having different rules for different economic classes? Or where non living created entities (ie corporations) not only have more power over ur government, but are also the most protected concerns of the government.

Someone is always the nigger. That's how it goes for anything in life, someone always has to be the nigger. I don't disagree that corporations have too much power, they do, but the rational way of fixing that problem isn't looking like a raving lunatic burning down houses and attempting to murder people.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'll agree to disagree.

[dino_electropolis]

no, I fall into the category of people who disapproved of the ending of Fight Club because it's childish non-sense. Wah wah wah things are bad let me blow shit up because I don't know any better. It's a child throwing a temper tantrum over a toy taken away from him, destroying whatever is near.



Someone is always the nigger. That's how it goes for anything in life, someone always has to be the nigger. I don't disagree that corporations have too much power, they do, but the rational way of fixing that problem isn't looking like a raving lunatic burning down houses and attempting to murder people.


Ur insghtful post has given me a change of heart.

The best action is inaction.....or at the most, writing a letter to my congressman.

I guess if the founding fathers felt this way too, they could have simply bombed king George witha bunch of letters, and we wouldn't be
having this discussion

[Dan 'Hampton]

Chill dude. Obama and the career politicians he's surounded himself with and has to fight against are going to make things better.

[Syd]

Ur insghtful post has given me a change of heart.

The best action is inaction.....or at the most, writing a letter to my congressman.

I guess if the founding fathers felt this way too, they could have simply bombed king George witha bunch of letters, and we wouldn't be
having this discussion

yea good thing they just up and beat the snot out of the British Empire and they didn't ask the French and Spanish for their instrumental help that allowed a backwater colony to stand up to one of the greatest empires of all time

just HOORAH BLOW SOME SHIT UP FUCK THINKING AHEAD

[sailor]

Am i the only person who feels and understands this guys angst?

we are all so quick to post pictures of the miserable cubicle jockey, but this guy's note was spot on....not a rambling diatribe by a madman, but a well thought out insight into what is actually happening in this country.

He did what he did, not because he was crazy, unstable, or some other buzz word, but because he had had enough.


Havent YOU had enough?
Of the bullshit? Of the lies? Of the systematic oppression of people, not by their race, but by their total net worth?

"“Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”

just to be clear, you're advocating suicide bombing of your own government offices?

[brettmojo]

just to be clear, you're advocating suicide bombing of your own government offices?
I'm emailing the White House...

[dino_electropolis]

just to be clear, you're advocating suicide bombing of your own government offices?

I advocate change.

[Serpico1103]

Yes, taxes suck. Manics flying planes into building, burning down houes- suck worse. I got a bill on april 15th for taxes. When is the nut crashing into my building, burning down my house? He was a selfish dick. Glad he died.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Yeah I see it as a bit more than being pissed April 15th is coming.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So when does talk of the fair tax start?

[sailor]

I advocate change.

and by what means?

(brett, i hope you're getting all this)

[Dan 'Hampton]

So when does talk of the fair tax start?



NEVER! Since when does fair work here.

[Hottub]

I advocate change.

In civilized nations we vote, write letters, spew on the internet, or even get involved ourselves if we want change.

Save the arson and Kamikaze missions for the savages. That's not how the U.S. rolls.

[Serpico1103]

Yeah I see it as a bit more than being pissed April 15th is coming.

I am guessing he was a contractor who had to pay to his own taxes (they weren't being withheld). So, I am sure every quarter he was scrambling to pay taxes instead of preparing for it.
You know how you owe a lot of taxes? You make a lot of money.
I understand the anger, but if he didn't think he would be classified as a nut for this stunt than he is a nut.

[Syd]

So when does talk of the fair tax start?

Never because fair tax is basically what is happening in California. Progressive taxation was axed in lieu of regressive taxation and then all of a sudden we found out that a state can't function unless people pony up and pay for firemen, police and the other necessities of life.

I think we'll sooner see a VAT system that some of Europe uses before a "fair" tax (fair taxes are only advantageous if you're in the top 10-15% income earners which the vast majority of people here don't fall under)

[dino_electropolis]

In civilized nations we vote, write letters, spew on the internet, or even get involved ourselves if we want change.

Save the arson and Kamikaze missions for the savages. That's not how the U.S. rolls.


I dont think we roll like you'd like to imagine we do.

[sailor]

(fair taxes are only advantageous if you're in the top 10-15% income earners which the vast majority of people here don't fall under)

yeah, something crazy like 85-90%

[Hottub]

I dont think we roll like you'd like to imagine we do.

Let's save that issue for another discussion.
Right now we are discussing how to deal with your dissatisfaction of the tax system. You can either vote the bastards out, call Ronni Deutch, or grab your ankles.

Terroristic acts is not the answer.

[Hottub]

yeah, something crazy like 85-90%

:lol:

[brettmojo]

and by what means?

(brett, i hope you're getting all this)
Copy/paste, copy/paste...

[Bob Impact]

yeah, something crazy like 85-90%

I laughed loud enough that Sarah heard me downstairs.

[booster11373]

So do people like this and certain Long Island based radio hosts just want to not pay any taxes at all?

[Syd]

So do people like this and certain Long Island based radio hosts just want to not pay any taxes at all?

That's the problem with libertarian thinking. They believe themselves to be in a bubble and at most they're willing to pay for piecemeal items like roads, fire stations and such. Problem is, in the real world a great deal of us are interconnected. Certain radio hosts make money off of people who subscribe to a service. How did those people make enough money to have enough disposable income to use it on satellite radio subscriptions? Probably through the public school systems or similarly funded public institutions.

You can retort with 'well, certain radio hosts pay so much into taxes' and I can ask whether or not you want to shift the tax burden down to the people who don't have as much disposable income.

It's a two way street and while I facetiously advocate putting the bourgeoisie/petit bourgeoisie up against the wall I can't exactly claim to want 100% taxation on income above X amount. However, the people at the top need to realize they need a great many people below them to funnel money up to them. The same way businesses need workers, rich people need somewhere to extract money from and that requires a large, well established middle class (read: families with household incomes of under $75k) to get that money from.

There's obviously a need for a massive, powerful government. You can easily trace the strength of the American empire and the correlating increase in government scope and power. The same can be said for any other empire from something as ancient as the Sumerian to as recent as, well, the American. If you want to look at what happens with a weak government, look no further than Somalia, Dubai, Greece, Portugal and any other countries in headlines. Weak governments lead to massive problems, period.

There's some common ground people need to find in attacking bureaucracy. There's obviously a great deal of bloat, nepotism and a host of other issues in government the same way these issues exist in any other institution of its size. Thankfully our founding fathers gave us a way of dealing with these problems, often times without the need of burning down our houses and flying planes into buildings. Maybe we should use that instead of all this populist rantings and ravings? Nah, fuck it, I need to have my negative feedback loop the Tea Party / DLC / GOP provide for me. Oh, and pile on some more cash for gold commercials because I haven't quite sold off anything of value because a crazy white guy on Fox told me Mao was coming for me.

[dino_electropolis]

Weak governments of course lead to problems.

But so does a corrupt banking system. The problems with Greece, Portugal etc are DIRECTLY tied to Goldman Sachs.

Did we already forget the crisis a year ago when these greedy banks turned thier palms out for bailouts?

The whole system is a sham, existing only to obtain and consume without the least concern for you or I- the saps who bailed them out.

Sounds like weak government to me

[LordJezo]

A source has now come out saying the FBI was aware of the attack.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/source-fbi-knew-austin-attack-was-coming.html

[epo]

A source has now come out saying the FBI was aware of the attack.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/source-fbi-knew-austin-attack-was-coming.html

Isn't prisonplanet.com the best?

[A.J.]

We Need Tighter Security At Our Airports!!11!!!!111!

[CountryBob]

We need suicide booths - like in Futurama

[Dude!]

i bet it turns out that
he was a secret moslem

[Serpico1103]

I guess the justice department was right white american ctizens are the new terrorists. Like they ever stopped.

[dino_electropolis]

Did all you naysayers enjoy all the nonstop coverage about the BOMBING OF A GOVERNMENT BUILDING????

Of course not, because there wasnt any.


Curious, no?

So, to the clowns above who questioned my sentiments, go fuck yourselves as you let your country slip away......

[brettmojo]

i bet it turns out that
he was a secret moslem
Probably a half-breed one at that.

[furie]

i don't think he was on that plane. the piper was controlled by remote. it's obvious to anyone that the IRS building was demo'ed!
Don't believe the HYPE!

[hanso]

Would the plane now be a deductible?

[dino_electropolis]

How's all this coverage grabbin about the bombing of a government building grabbing ya?


Exactly.

I guess they feel not enough people died to merit a discussion of the event.

Oh well. Maybe next time.


I wonder, was tiger really sincere or was it staged? Hmmmmm

[booster11373]

How's all this coverage grabbin about the bombing of a government building grabbing ya?


Exactly.

I guess they feel not enough people died to merit a discussion of the event.

Oh well. Maybe next time.


I wonder, was tiger really sincere or was it staged? Hmmmmm

So how much coverage do you feel is needed?

[dino_electropolis]

there is no precise amount per se, but I'll put it this way:

the bombing of a federal building should get more coverage than a golfer's apology regarding his marital issues

Fair?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I guess the justice department was right white american ctizens are the new terrorists. Like they ever stopped.

I wonder if he was friends with Bill Ayers

[booster11373]

there is no precise amount per se, but I'll put it this way:

the bombing of a federal building should get more coverage than a golfer's apology regarding his marital issues

Fair?

I agree but I know in the past I have been critical of the networks for just repeating the same information over and over without any new material and just relying on the shock images as a kind of news porn

[sailor]

there is no precise amount per se, but I'll put it this way:

the bombing of a federal building should get more coverage than a golfer's apology regarding his marital issues

Fair?

what bomb?

[dino_electropolis]

what bomb?


Cmon, u know what I mean.

[underdog]

Fez's take on this situation was so childish and sad. Hide the info, never question anything.

[Syd]

How's all this coverage grabbin about the bombing of a government building grabbing ya?


Exactly.

I guess they feel not enough people died to merit a discussion of the event.

Oh well. Maybe next time.


I wonder, was tiger really sincere or was it staged? Hmmmmm

Tiger Woods nets higher ratings than a white terrorist. No one can really get scared about a white guy crashing a plane into a building like they can a brown guy doing anything.

[Dude!]

No one can really get scared about a white guy crashing a plane into a building like they can a brown guy doing anything.

it's just like the difference between
random street crime and organized crime

why is that a hard concept?

organized crime happens to be
mainly italian mafia

at least with the mafia,
we are allowed to mention the
word italian

[Dan 'Hampton]

Tiger Woods nets higher ratings than a white terrorist. No one can really get scared about a white guy crashing a plane into a building like they can a brown guy doing anything.

Brown? You racist. He's half brown half yellow.

[Crispy123]

Fez's take on this situation was so childish and sad. Hide the info, never question anything.

Ron wanted Fez to start posting on here but what we really need is for Fez to get Tuttle on this board to wip these fags in to line!

[Dan 'Hampton]

If anything fez's view on things has driven me more to spirituality and being inquisitive because I don't want to be him.

[Crispy123]

If anything fez's view on things has driven me more to spirituality and being inquisitive because I don't want to be him.

And that is the genius of Fez's on-air personality. I think FM Jeff owes him a big thank you for showing him the true meaning of the word "friend".

[Dan 'Hampton]

Fez thinks thngs are cut and dry. He asumes that he was completely wrong about everything before, and now will support the opposite because it must be right.

[Serpico1103]

Ron wanted Fez to start posting on here but what we really need is for Fez to get Tuttle on this board to wip these fags in to line!
Unfortunately his psychotic pitch and horrible accent doesn't work in a post.

[Crispy123]

Unfortunately his psychotic pitch and horrible accent doesn't work in a post.

True, but as Jezo and Dummy! have proven creepy and disturbing still come through.

[Syd]

it's just like the difference between
random street crime and organized crime

why is that a hard concept?

organized crime happens to be
mainly italian mafia

at least with the mafia,
we are allowed to mention the
word italian


Pretty sure organized crime now is more Russian/central American more than Italian

[sailor]

Ron wanted Fez to start posting on here but what we really need is for Fez to get Tuttle on this board to wip these fags in to line!

fag.

[Dude!]

Pretty sure organized crime now is more Russian/central American more than Italian

your right
and organized terrorism is more
brown-skin than white-skin
agree?

[Syd]

your right
and organized terrorism is more
brown-skin than white-skin
agree?

Organized terrorism is any skin color, but pound for pound white skinned terrorism has the highest body count right now.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Those stupid Irish. You're right.

[booster11373]

Fez's take was not so far off base with this on. People were very critical of the press for airing the Va Tech killer recorded nonsense


As far as people not being represented bullshit the fault fall squarely on the citizens of this country for

Apathy

Narrow minded voting interest

Fuck that stupid asshole and his so called tax problems

[booster11373]

Im also truly shocked by the sympathy for this asshole from ther callers and their lack of understanding when it comes to American history

[hanso]

Im also truly shocked by the sympathy for this asshole from ther callers and their lack of understanding when it comes to American history

There are facebook fan pages.

[booster11373]

There are facebook fan pages.

These assholes claim they are not being represented. Then stop being one issue voters! realize that life is complex instead of voting for who you would want to have a beer with and starting thinking above "I want someone who shares my moral outlook" kind of shit.

[StanUpshaw]

The problem is not

"Why are this guy's concerns not being addressed?"

it is

"Why is this guy so self absorbed that he imagines the country should conform to his desires?"

[booster11373]

The problem is not


"Why is this guy so self absorbed that he imagines the country should conform to his desires?"

That sounds like most of the 202 audience

[StanUpshaw]

Fez's take was not so far off base with this on. People were very critical of the press for airing the Va Tech killer recorded nonsense


As far as people not being represented bullshit the fault fall squarely on the citizens of this country for

Apathy

Narrow minded voting interest

Fuck that stupid asshole and his so called tax problems

I disagree with Ron about a lot of things, but that conversation had me fuming.

Of course the government would have the right to withhold the manifesto (if they had control of it). They would have the responsibility to do so if they thought it would incite more violence. But even that is only temporary, and most everything gets released over time.

I agree 100% with Fez that people should choose not to read it. The notion of terrorism is so antithetical to the ideals of civilized society that the only option is stubborn ignorance. If you choose to do violence against innocent people, you DO NOT get the privilege of disseminating your ideas. That's what he wanted, and he should be denied absolutely. There are few areas where I will argue for zero tolerance, but this is one.

[underdog]

I agree 100% with Fez that people should choose not to read it. The notion of terrorism is so antithetical to the ideals of civilized society that the only option is stubborn ignorance. If you choose to do violence against innocent people, you DO NOT get the privilege of disseminating your ideas. That's what he wanted, and he should be denied absolutely. There are few areas where I will argue for zero tolerance, but this is one.

That was not Fez's point. Fez's point was that mommy and daddy should hide the info and tell the children nothing bad.

And what the guy wanted was to be heard. And he was never heard so he had to go to drastic measures.

Fez's take was not so far off base with this on. People were very critical of the press for airing the Va Tech killer recorded nonsense

This guy and the VA Tech killer are much, much different.

[StanUpshaw]

And what the guy wanted was to be heard. And he was never heard so he had to go to drastic measures.


And if he would have chosen any other way of expressing himself, even if he just hurt himself (self immolation is a tried and true method), my ears would be open. He could be the second coming of JS Mill, but since he chose this path, I unequivocally refuse to listen.

[Serpico1103]

I wouldn't take his manifesto being read as a win for him. He was a greedy nut. He seemed to be leading a decent life, but kept trying to worm around the IRS regulations and kept getting caught.
He didn't exactly release anything new that most of America doesn't know. Taxes suck.
Thanks for that news.

All information should be released as soon as possible. All information should be read so you know how other people are thinking.
One of the purposes of the 1st Amendment is to allow lunatics to vent, so they don't simmer under the surface and than just explode. By allowing them to speak without repercussions the government can keep track of radical groups.

[booster11373]

That was not Fez's point. Fez's point was that mommy and daddy should hide the info and tell the children nothing bad.

And what the guy wanted was to be heard. And he was never heard so he had to go to drastic measures.



This guy and the VA Tech killer are much, much different.

How so? Both had feelings of persecution, both used violence against others to make a point, Both wanted to be heard. There are definite similarities between the cases

[Dan 'Hampton]

These assholes claim they are not being represented. Then stop being one issue voters! realize that life is complex instead of voting for who you would want to have a beer with and starting thinking above "I want someone who shares my moral outlook" kind of shit.
That's a pretty simplistic view. The issue is that politicians have to adhere to party views. If they don't, try are kept out of decision making. Therefore as soon as they are in washington they cease to represent " you" and now represent the party.

[booster11373]

That's a pretty simplistic view. The issue is that politicians have to adhere to party views. If they don't, try are kept out of decision making. Therefore as soon as they are in washington they cease to represent " you" and now represent the party.

Its not simplistic it requires active participation in government and critical thinking on behalf of the citizens.

It requires more then just watching TV or listening to the radio to get your opinions

It requires people to be loud civilized but loud

[Dan 'Hampton]

That doesn't matter because as long as they keep the us vs. them mentality the masses and even those who mean well will be happy just having thier team in charge instead of realizing that our officials don't represent us.

[Furtherman]

I wouldn't take his manifesto being read as a win for him. He was a greedy nut. He seemed to be leading a decent life, but kept trying to worm around the IRS regulations and kept getting caught.
He didn't exactly release anything new that most of America doesn't know. Taxes suck.
Thanks for that news.

Well said. This guy was just a greedy, selfish nut and should not be anything more than vilified.

[Jujubees2]

Now his daughter thinks he's a hero!

Daughter: Pilot in Texas IRS crash was a hero (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35519143/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)

[StanUpshaw]

"Because now maybe people will listen."

That fucking cunt.

[Jujubees2]

"Because now maybe people will listen."

That fucking cunt.

I'm glad that they quoted the victim's son in the article.

"People say (Stack) is a patriot. What's he a patriot for? He hasn't served the country. My dad did two tours of Vietnam and this guy is going to be a patriot and no one is going to say that about my dad? That's what got me started talking. I couldn't stand it anymore," Ken Hunter said.

[StanUpshaw]

I almost wish he hadn't come forward, because now the story is going to be about personal empathy for that family, rather than a principled rebuke of the concept of terrorism (which seems to be lost on a lot of people [dino]).

[LordJezo]

The gym today was buzzing with rumors.

What I am hearing is that no body has been found for the pilot. What a guy was telling me was that this whole thing is actually a cover for a government assassination and a false flag event (that term keeps coming up with this guy) in order to start revolution. The guy was actually killed a while ago and already has been buried in a secret location. The reason that more injuries at the IRS building didn't happen was because it was during a shift change so the bombing was done at a strategic time to minimize casualties.

I can't find much about this online so I don't know how we can back up these claims.

Eventually the conversation went to us comparing man rape stories (with the best story being one about a guy who was drugged and then raped by a superior officer) and I went back to the locker room a lot sadder then when I came in.

[Serpico1103]

The gym today was buzzing with rumors.

What I am hearing is that no body has been found for the pilot. What a guy was telling me was that this whole thing is actually a cover for a government assassination and a false flag event (that term keeps coming up with this guy) in order to start revolution. The guy was actually killed a while ago and already has been buried in a secret location. The reason that more injuries at the IRS building didn't happen was because it was during a shift change so the bombing was done at a strategic time to minimize casualties.

I can't find much about this online so I don't know how we can back up these claims.

Eventually the conversation went to us comparing man rape stories (with the best story being one about a guy who was drugged and then raped by a superior officer) and I went back to the locker room a lot sadder then when I came in.
Sad because your superior never raped you?
I am already sick of the term "false flag".

[LordJezo]

I am already sick of the term "false flag".

It's coming up more and more lately, it's like people are totally ready for war and all events are now being viewed as government attacks.

This latest one is being called a remote control drone bomb due to no body being presented of the pilot.

[IMSlacker]

What I am hearing is that no body has been found for the pilot. What a guy was telling me was that this whole thing is actually a cover for a government assassination and a false flag event (that term keeps coming up with this guy) in order to start revolution. The guy was actually killed a while ago and already has been buried in a secret location.

They should have put the corpse in the cockpit so that there would be a body.

Stupid government conspirators.

[Serpico1103]

It's coming up more and more lately, it's like people are totally ready for war and all events are now being viewed as government attacks.

This latest one is being called a remote control drone bomb due to no body being presented of the pilot.
What does Alex Jones bench?

[Dan 'Hampton]

This jezo bit is great.

[LordJezo]

This jezo bit is great.

Come to the gym sometime, you'll realize it isn't a bit. I was talking about this on the exercise ball as one guy worked on abs and continued the discussion with a couple power lifters as they did decline bench.

[Serpico1103]

Come to the gym sometime, you'll realize it isn't a bit. I was talking about this on the exercise ball as one guy worked on abs and continued the discussion with a couple power lifters as they did decline bench.
Where is the gym? I think someone on the board has to stop by with you someday, especially after a false flag event.

[LordJezo]

Where is the gym? I think someone on the board has to stop by with you someday, especially after a false flag event.

Central NJ.

Emotions run high.

Especially today after the rape stories.

[booster11373]

Central NJ.

Emotions run high.

Especially today after the rape stories.

Aren't you "guys" afraid the Government is listening to your conversations?

[Dan 'Hampton]

My gym is populated with old libs and dikes in the morning. We keep to ourselves.

[booster11373]

My gym is populated with old libs and dikes in the morning. We keep to ourselves.

Which side are you on the old libs or the dikes?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Hmm well they're not the kinda of dikes you'd like to see, and the old libs are usually the people I work for. Hard choice.

[LordJezo]

Aren't you "guys" afraid the Government is listening to your conversations?

Some are, I have resigned myself to the fact that I could never fight against the powers that actually control my life, as long as I have my internet porn and can batch away the pains this country is going through I will be able to make it through the day.

[keithy_19]

Some are, I have resigned myself to the fact that I could never fight against the powers that actually control my life, as long as I have my internet porn and can batch away the pains this country is going through I will be able to make it through the day.

How's the Sarah Palin porno coming along?

[LordJezo]

Lawsuits!

IRS worker's widow sues Texas suicide pilot's wife

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100224/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_crash_texas_1

[Serpico1103]

Lawsuits!

IRS worker's widow sues Texas suicide pilot's wife

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100224/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_crash_texas_1

Widow's angry is understandable. However, I am not sure if recovery will be possible. I don't know if the life insurance policies will pay on the suicide. She can sue the estate, but I don't know how suing the wife directly will be handled.

[Jujubees2]

Widow's angry is understandable. However, I am not sure if recovery will be possible. I don't know if the life insurance policies will pay on the suicide. She can sue the estate, but I don't know how suing the wife directly will be handled.


I think life insurance policies pay out if the suicide occurs a certain numbers of years after the policy is written.

[Zorro]

I think life insurance policies pay out if the suicide occurs a certain numbers of years after the policy is written.

Two years everwhere except Colorado...one year.

[booster11373]

Listening to Tuesdays show only confirms my theories about a share of the 202 audience

[dino_electropolis]

Didn't read the article but I presume the lawsuit is aganist the estate, not necessarrily the wife individualy.

May just be shitty journalism by trying to get attention grabbing headlines.

Shitty, but succesful.

[dino_electropolis]

Ok. ReaD the article. Seems one of the counts IS against the wife for her failure to warn people about her husband.
Nonsense. No real such cause of action as the wife ha no duty to protect the world from her hubbys thoughts.

Just legal posturing to bring attention to case and settle quickly and for more money

if I were wifeys attorney I'd seek attorny fees and have widows attny sanctioned for the frivolous count

[Dude!]

the IRS widow should be sued
if it wasn't for the IRS
this never would have happened

[Jujubees2]

the IRS widow should be sued
if it wasn't for the IRS
this never would have happened

Otter: But you can't hold the whole IRS responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole tax system? And if the whole tax system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our government institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bHSVCs9rX0A/SIBCi0gKKlI/AAAAAAAADZI/dKYqQ1SpGIw/s400/otter2.jpg

[Furtherman]

I just saw a report how Austin, TX is bucking the recession trend and how the region down to Santa Fe is thriving. It also has one of the lowest unemployment rates. This guy also led a good life, better than most, and he lived in such a prosperous area.
What a selfish ass.

[Bob Impact]

Otter: But you can't hold the whole IRS responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole tax system? And if the whole tax system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our government institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bHSVCs9rX0A/SIBCi0gKKlI/AAAAAAAADZI/dKYqQ1SpGIw/s400/otter2.jpg

I love you.

[SatCam]

I just saw a report how Austin, TX is bucking the recession trend and how the region down to Santa Fe is thriving. It also has one of the lowest unemployment rates. This guy also led a good life, better than most, and he lived in such a prosperous area.
What a selfish ass.

Seriously. If he didn't want the Cessna I wouldve taken it off his hands. Those things are expensive as hell