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[underdog]

Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/02/19/utah-passes-bill-that-charges-women-for-illegal-abortion-or-miscarriage)

Utah is fucking insane.

[opie's twisted balls]

I love those crazy Mormons....

Imagine there's no Periods
It's easy if you try
No blood below us
Above us only pie
Imagine all the people
Living for Today

Imagine there's no tampons
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to soak up for
And no PMS too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

[Jujubees2]

I think the problem is that it's been shown that women who are together for an extended period of time end start to synchronize their periods so that they menstruate at the same time every month.

Now if you're a Mormon with five wives and they're all having periods at the same time it could get ugly...

[dereckfishboy]

Yup, let's not address what makes a woman so desperate that they pay someone to beat the shit out of them.... That would actually be looking for the root of the problem, better to just pass a quick law and not bother thinking about it anymore.... Fire and forget legislature....

[Zorro]

The bill passed by the Utah legislature would change that. While the bill does not affect legally obtained abortions, it criminalizes any actions taken by women to induce a miscarriage or abortion outside of a doctor's care, with penalties including up to life in prison.

the bill does not affect legally obtained abortions

[underdog]

the bill does not affect legally obtained abortions

It's Utah. The number of legally obtained abortions must be tiny. I think you can only get an abortion if you're raped or in danger of losing life.

[Zorro]

It's Utah. The number of legally obtained abortions must be tiny. I think you can only get an abortion if you're raped or in danger of losing life.

Restrictions on Abortion

In Utah, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of January 2008:

The parent of a minor must consent and be notified before an abortion is provided.

A woman must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage her from having an abortion and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided.

Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, physical health, rape, incest or fetal abnormality.

took about 10 seconds to look that up

[dereckfishboy]

It's prehistoric bullshit any way you look at it. Treat the little foetus like the victim and not the fucked-up broken soul deliberately hurting themself? How about if someone has enough problems that they try to fish the little fucker out with a butterknife, we find out what's wrong with them and treat their problems instead of charging them with attempted murder.....

[opie's twisted balls]

Abortions should be as easy to get as a big mac and fries.

[Serpico1103]

Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/02/19/utah-passes-bill-that-charges-women-for-illegal-abortion-or-miscarriage)

Utah is fucking insane.

It doesn't criminalize miscarriages. A miscarriage is a pregnancy that terminates on its own. Not one that is terminated when you pay someone to kick you in the belly.

I am pro-abortion. But, I think the article is twisting the law into something it is not.

[underdog]

Restrictions on Abortion

In Utah, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of January 2008:

The parent of a minor must consent and be notified before an abortion is provided.

A woman must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage her from having an abortion and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided.

Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, physical health, rape, incest or fetal abnormality.

took about 10 seconds to look that up

If you search "utah abortion law", this is the first result (http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/abortion/utah/)

Statutory Definition of Legal Abortion Before 20 weeks, abortion is necessary to save mother's life or health, if woman was raped or incest committed, or child has grave defects; after 20 weeks, necessary to preserve health, life of mother or if child would be born with grave defects

How slow is your fucking internet connection that it takes 10 seconds to look something up?

[underdog]

It doesn't criminalize miscarriages. A miscarriage is a pregnancy that terminates on its own. Not one that is terminated when you pay someone to kick you in the belly.

I am pro-abortion. But, I think the article is twisting the law into something it is not.

Someone else gets to define the woman's intentions. If she does drugs and she miscarries, she can be tried for manslaughter. That's crazy.

[Serpico1103]

Someone else gets to define the woman's intentions. If she does drugs and she miscarries, she can be tried for manslaughter. That's crazy.

It is a reckless standard. Not the lowest standard. The case they cite to, Christine Taylor, the police say she told them she intentionally fell down the stairs to end her pregnancy. She ended up not being prosecuted though, because the law only covers the 3rd trimester, she was in her 2nd.

Again. I think abortions should be legal. But, what sense does it make to have abortions made illegal, if a woman can end her pregnancy in other means.
Besides, let the radicals show their true colors. Show the "pro-life" people for who they are. LUNATICS!
How many of them are spending all their money to save babies all over the world? I guess jesus only cares about American babies.

[sailor]

I have almost no problem with any aspect of this law.

[Chigworthy]

I have almost no problem with any aspect of this law.

I agree. I have no problem with trying to prevent non-medical intentional miscarriages. Isn't this what pro-choice people are always saying they try to prevent?

[underdog]

I have almost no problem with any aspect of this law.

See? More rich white guys deciding what's good for poor people.

[keithy_19]

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[Donnie Iris]

It doesn't criminalize miscarriages. A miscarriage is a pregnancy that terminates on its own. Not one that is terminated when you pay someone to kick you in the belly.

I am pro-abortion. But, I think the article is twisting the law into something it is not.

I am pro-choice but pro-abortion? That's a little sadistic, no?

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

Why do they have so many wives if they are all so afraid of the vagina?


Fuck Utah. It's the Middle East of the United States.

[Serpico1103]

I am pro-choice but pro-abortion? That's a little sadistic, no?

I walk up to random pregnant women, look around, as if I am checking to see if anyone is watching, then I whisper to, them as I pat their belly, "I can take care of your little problem for you."


Just playing the game with words. Why are so many pro-life people for capital punishment and war?
They are "anti-choice" not pro-life.

[Chigworthy]

I hope Wrestlingfan shows up.

[opie's twisted balls]

I am pro-choice but pro-abortion? That's a little sadistic, no?

I agree with Serpico on this one.....pro-abortion all the way! Its good for the earth....just ask Doug Stanhope.

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[SatCam]

I like how this

The Utah Senate has joined the House in allowing homicide charges against expectant mothers who arrange illegal abortions.

became this

Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage

which became this

Up Next - Criminalizing Periods

[underdog]

I like how this



became this



which became this

The "Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage" came from the google news headline.

[SatCam]

The "Utah Bill Criminalizes Miscarriage" came from the google news headline.

I know that... that's the worst part, that was the headline of real news articles (although you did link to a blog in your post)

[underdog]

I know that... that's the worst part, that was the headline of real news articles (although you did link to a blog in your post)

It's not technically inaccurate, it's just missing info.

[SatCam]

It's not technically inaccurate, it's just missing info.

you could say the same thing about 75% of the threads jezo makes

[underdog]

you could say the same thing about 75% of the threads jezo makes

Good point.

[sailor]

Just playing the game with words. Why are so many pro-life people for capital punishment and war?
They are "anti-choice" not pro-life.

that's actually rare. most i've met are very anti-death penalty as well. not me, mind you.

[underdog]

that's actually rare. most i've met are very anti-death penalty as well. not me, mind you.

Yeah, I don't think that's correct. The right is pro-life and pro-death penalty. Look at a state like Texas.

[Serpico1103]

that's actually rare. most i've met are very anti-death penalty as well. not me, mind you.

Since many on the front lines of the pro-life issue do so for religious reason, religion is pro-capital punishment.
So, I still think most pro-lifers are pro-capital punishment.
If you vote republican, that is what you are voting for: pro-life and pro-capital punishment.

Maybe pro-fetus, pro-unborn, pro-cute american baby, but not pro-life.

[disneyspy]

i think the death penalty advocates see it as an eye for an eye and a fetus as being without sin so kinda different. like dont kill an unsinner but kill a sinner

[StanUpshaw]

All of this silly abortion bickering would be a thing of the past if we simply enacted my compulsory sterilization plan.

[sailor]

Yeah, I don't think that's correct. The right is pro-life and pro-death penalty. Look at a state like Texas.

you don't think the people i've met are anti-death penalty? but you've not met them. that's a tad arrogant, no?

[underdog]

you don't think the people i've met are anti-death penalty? but you've not met them. that's a tad arrogant, no?

I know everyone you do.

[Dude!]

All of this silly abortion bickering would be a thing of the past if we simply enacted my compulsory sterilization plan.

after reading through this thread
and ronfez.net generally
i think that is the only sensible plan

[A.J.]

This is taking proper grammar a little too far.

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

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[underdog]

I don't feel like this was my original thread title.