Regarding Dave's pay.

[Hepcat22]

Several years ago I worked at a fairly large company and our CEO was in his mid-80's. He went to his long time doctor in Atlanta who was concerned about his patient's sugar level etc.

His doctor asked,"Roy, how much liquor do you drink?"

Roy: "What do you mean?"

Doctor: "Like do you drink a half pint or a pint each day?"

Roy: "Hell, doc, I spill that much!"

Now, Dave keeps saying he only makes $2,000/month before taxes. Hell, I spill that much.

And he lives in New Jersey and works in Manhattan.? No way he can survive and no wonder he is so wired about it. What I think Fez keeps trying to tell Dave is that Dave has got to have two incomes at least.

I wish Dave the best because he's really behind the 8 ball.

[A.J.]

Don't mention 8 balls in front of Ron.

[lleeder]

So you're bragging how much money you make? I don't get it.

[JPMNICK]

even if he talked about it on air, i dont think it is cool to bring it up here. he makes shit money, MANY people who are less talented make much more. but i am sure his day will come, and then we will be reading about how dave makes to much money.

[Hepcat22]

So you're bragging how much money you make? I don't get it.

Not at all, I'm much older than Dave and have made some pretty good investments and savings but I can remember being pretty much in the same boat at his age. My wife went back to work at the local school system as soon as she could after our second child was born. We wore out day care places in those days.

[Space Edge]

Maybe Dave can pick up some more hours at Sirius. I listen to a lot of shows on the platform and most of the DJ's and Hosts do 3 or 4 shows on different channels.

[DOHO@HOME]

He's only been doing this for a few years a lot of these guys put in their time before they get any type of real pay checks.
Why would he blow this up in hopes of making them pay any thing to him, like Ron said these guys will just say oh well good luck and move on.
In todays market you have to be happy having a job and not bitch about pay.

[realmenhatelife]

They ought to record the show as a pod cast and put it out there. Dave wouldn't have to make extra trips into the city, and they'd still be producing a new show every week.

[HoddTilliard]

Beanie slush fund. Dave is worth millions and has not a care in the world about money. That's why he can do R/F for virtually nothing.

[Hithead]

If you don't want to be there, get the fuck out but don't keep costantly harping on how you are under paid or mistreated because it is your fault. People will only hand you as much shit as you are willing to take.

[foodcourtdruide]

If you don't want to be there, get the fuck out but don't keep costantly harping on how you are under paid or mistreated because it is your fault. People will only hand you as much shit as you are willing to take.

Have you by chance read The Fountainhead recently?

[opie's twisted balls]

This is not an attack on Dave but fuck what he's paid. The market determines what someone is worth.....if Dave gets $2k/month then he's:
1) worth that amount based on the industry and his respective position in it
2) he's worth more but recognizes that you have to eat shit (literally and figuratively) before the real coin comes in
3) he really loves his job and isn't in it for the money
or
4) he's an idiot and doesn't know any better

Regardless of the reason why what he makes is between him, his wife, his boss(es) and his banker.

[Freitag]

If you don't want to be there, get the fuck out but don't keep costantly harping on how you are under paid or mistreated because it is your fault. People will only hand you as much shit as you are willing to take.

that reminds me, I need the fireplace cleaned.

[instrument]

I can't feel sorry for anyone living beyond their means.

i do think think fez is drastically overpaid if he is truly splitting a check 50/50 with ron.

[TjM]

So if I have a kid I can ask for a raise? Or is that only if I'm Dave?

[TripleSkeet]

I love the assholedness in this thread.

Ya know, its pretty obvious to anyone that listens to the show regularly that Dave does alot more for the show then just what they pay him for. Hes one of the biggest reasons the show is as interesting as it is. Ron can only do so much. Fez is cool but doesnt earn what he makes anymore.

That being said, yes Dave realizes his pay is what it is, and he obviously loves his job so he deals with it, but where is it written he has to accept it with a fucking smile? Why is he not allowed to bitch that his pay sucks? Its one thing to say "you can accept it or leave" its another to say "you can accept it, but you HAVE to also be happy about it, or you can leave".

The guy is doing more then his job entails for the good of what is a great show. Its only natural he can feel slighted that his talent just isnt appreciated. Especially when you see others on Sirius that make twice the money with half the talent. Or even worse the ones that get paid ridiculous amounts of money for relatively no work. Is Eminem still contracted for 4 hours a year? He probably gets paid 3 times Daves yearly salary for those 4 fucking hours. Is that fair? No. Is there anything Dave can do about that? No. But does he have to fucking smile about it? Also no.

Its like telling a 130 pound weakling sentenced to prison "You are going to get assraped nightly. Not only do you have to accept it, but we also expect you to scream that it feels good."

[Jujubees2]

So you're bragging how much money you make? I don't get it.

No he's bragging about how much booze his former boss spilled...

[Mitch&Murray]

The only one under paid is Ron.

[spainlinx0]

I hate when people say "well you should be happy to have a job right now." Biggest bullshit I have ever heard. I'm glad I receive a paycheck. I tolerate my job on the best of days in order to get that money. If me and my coworkers want to bitch to each other about our shitty managers, we're going to do so.

If our employers don't like it, they can find replacements. But I'm not going to quit and fuck myself out of unemployment money.

[SatCam]

Dave only makes $24k a year? How is that even mathematically possible? I can barely even pay for car insurance and food with that paycheck

[opie's twisted balls]

Its like telling a 130 pound weakling sentenced to prison "You are going to get assraped nightly. Not only do you have to accept it, but we also expect you to scream that it feels good."
Don't do the crime if you don't want to be goatse'd

[Brad_Rush]

Dave only makes $24k a year? How is that even mathematically possible? I can barely even pay for car insurance and food with that paycheck

That's what I thought too. Seems a bit like a bit to me...

[lleeder]

Dave only makes $24k a year? How is that even mathematically possible? I can barely even pay for car insurance and food with that paycheck

Thats 500 a week for 50 weeks. So i guess it would work out mathematically.:dry:

[Mitch&Murray]

Thats 500 a week for 50 weeks. So i guess it would work out mathematically.:dry:



I venture to guess though that maybe his take home is about 2K a month which would be about 35 grand before taxes. I think he has intimated that was about what he was making back when Earl got some raise that riled up him and Pepper all up. That number sounds about right for the job disciption of a producer.

As Ron said the job has a glass ceiling. Its an entry level job for the hungry guy that just wants to work in radio. Its not something to raise a family on. Thats why people move on. Dave wants the job to be different then it is.

[Brad_Rush]

Thats 500 a week for 50 weeks. So i guess it would work out mathematically.:dry:

Rent = at least $1000 per month for a house
Food = at least $500 per month for a family of four (with 2 babies)
Gas/Electric = at least $200 per month
Vehicle Gas = at least $100 a month
Entertainment (going out to eat/drink/movies) = at least $150 per month
Cable/Phone/Internet = at least $150 per month

and we are already up to 2000, and that doesn't include clothing, visits to the hospital, furniture, bus passes, vacations, highin', or anything else...

I don't think I could do that for very long till I'd go nuts!

[Snoogans]

im just wondering why any of this is our business

[brettmojo]

im just wondering why any of this is our business
Oh it's not. But that never stops anybody.

[StanUpshaw]

No one seems to have a problem when Fez's personal problems are debated ad nauseum.

It was discussed on the show, so it's going to be discussed here.

[SatCam]

im just wondering why any of this is our business

I agree. Dave has tried so hard to keep this topic off the air and off the board but yet you classless assholes keep bringing it up

[Brad_Rush]

im just wondering why any of this is our business

Yes, I agree it is not anyone's business what Dave McDonald and his family actually do with their lives; I am discussing a hypothetical situation that was presented on the radio by the East Side Dave character who claims he raises a family of 4 on $2000 per month. Whether that actually corresponds to Dave or not is not important. If it is the truth, then he is the one who put that information out there. It's not like any of us are calling him up at home to tell him what we think he needs to do, we are just having a discussion on the Ron and Fez message board about a topic from the show.

[Sloppy2nds]

I agree. Dave has tried so hard to keep this topic off the air and off the board but yet you classless assholes keep bringing it up

Dave talks about his finances all the time.

[ChrisBrown]

Harsh reality of radio is you have to pay your dues in small markets. I am a big fan and would miss him but think it would be best for his career is he moved to an interesting smaller city like Austin. He is like a 2LT in the Pentagon.

[StanUpshaw]

I've never been to NYC, so maybe it wouldn't work there, but I've had periods where my situation forced me to sleep in my car in the city during the week to go to school and work, then drive back home on the weekends.

When Dave gets done for the day at Sirius, he could go do a shift at Starbucks with Patti, then find a spot to park and curl up in the back seat for a few hours. In the morning he could shower at work in his jerkoff bathroom.

Then on the weekends, he'd be home with the family. It'd be like he was a OTR trucker, except (slightly) less prone to murder and child rape.

[Sudsy Mug Saloon]

ESD brings up money up everyday in some way. Hey he definitely deserves more money, but for being pissed at Fez for offering money for daycare is a joke. The guy is trying to help and gets shitted on. All he needed to say was with the condition of his son, it's not possible. He said his wife has no degree, so what that mean she can't work? Ha, probably gets welfare too, couple more kids and the state pays for your transportation.

With him now trying to keep things private and off air, well he should learn some more. He has given out his home address on air! I know he thought it would be ok to announce stuff but you can't with people that are out there.

[n0thng2bdone]

caller today nailed it. dave's money woes are inexcusable. he can't be blamed for not knowing who to blame-companies insulate themselves from accountability. they can have it both ways but dave can't?
but of course this will sort itself out as long as he hangs in there

[deliciousV]

ESD brings up money up everyday in some way. Hey he definitely deserves more money, but for being pissed at Fez for offering money for daycare is a joke. The guy is trying to help and gets shitted on. All he needed to say was with the condition of his son, it's not possible. He said his wife has no degree, so what that mean she can't work? Ha, probably gets welfare too, couple more kids and the state pays for your transportation.

With him now trying to keep things private and off air, well he should learn some more. He has given out his home address on air! I know he thought it would be ok to announce stuff but you can't with people that are out there.

I had a comment, then I read this, now I just feel dirty.

[Brad_Rush]

I had a comment, then I read this, now I just feel dirty.

Yeah, that is a different level there bud...

[Lady Resin]

They CANNOT catch a break!

http://rfeastsidedave.posterous.com/car-impounded-0

:sad:

[Brad_Rush]

They CANNOT catch a break!

http://rfeastsidedave.posterous.com/car-impounded-0

:sad:

Sucks

[UnknownPD]

They CANNOT catch a break!

http://rfeastsidedave.posterous.com/car-impounded-0

:sad:

Well he's gotten away with it a million times

[K.C.]

The whole situation just goes to show what an insane maniac Dave is (in a good way).

Who the hell rides the bus two hours each way to work for what he could essentially make working full time at a Staples or a store of similar ilk (if what he claims he makes is accurate)??

That said, Ron was spot on about everything today. Dave needs to realize that something has to give and the best thing for him to do is take advantage of every opportunity at his disposal to try and get a better job while he still has a chance.

The guy should be cutting demos and doing shows with as many different people in as many different formats as possible.

Hell, if Dave really wants to do the sports broadcasting thing, do some regular podcasting (can be recorded from home) just to get your timing and rhythm down, and feel the whole thing out and then come in and cut a kick ass demo one saturday night at Sirius.

But the writing is on the wall with Sirius. They aren't going to pay him more to be a producer, and they're pretty unlikely to pay him to do a show (because Dave he doesn't really have any fans that aren't 202 fans, because doesn't have a show).

So if he's going to make the radio thing happen, he needs to take advantage of everything Sirius has to offer him in terms of a platform to get a terrestrial job (and I'm sure if Dave cut a good demo, Ron would ship it over to old budday Al Dukes who since he does a lot of work for the FAN probably could put him in touch with someone in a smaller market who may be looking for talent).

[ShowerBench]

The problem with "Dave should get paid more..." is that he is easily replaceable - not because he doesn't have any talent or appeal but because there are innumerable equally or funnier/more entertaining/hungrier guys in NYC who would KILL for the opportunity to be a producer/stunt boy/third mic (but the more mic time the better) on the Ron and Fez show. And they are willing to do it for next to nothing.

In America we have a market system, not "to each according to his needs." So why should Sirius/XM care if Dave's needs have changed and he can't get by on the same salary required by a single guy with no obligations?

Fez addressed the perceived inequity involving salaries vs mic time with a generous offer of financial assistance - without arguing that Dave didn't deserve more pay or that Dave didn't help Fez out on the air during a difficult period. It was a demonstration of appreciation.

You can't always get what you want in life. If you're a young guy with no ties you can take all the crap, including low pay, that Sirius/XM hands out for a chance to eventually host your own show. If you have obligations but have earned no radio show of your own and commensurate salary, you have to either quit radio and go work for Handi-Lift or find a second source of income. If you have a 2 hour commute, a second job is impossible.

Fez's solution was the only sane one that could reconcile Dave continuing to pursue his dreams with his reality. The biggest obstacle seemed to be that Dave didn't want to compromise on any point, including that he didn't want Fez to be his boss. Since he already is, an observer might think not taking him up on the offer wasn't the smartest move.

[Penelope]

The problem with "Dave should get paid more..." is that he is easily replaceable - not because he doesn't have any talent or appeal but because there are innumerable equally or funnier/more entertaining/hungrier guys in NYC who would KILL for the opportunity to be a producer/stunt boy/third mic (but the more mic time the better) on the Ron and Fez show. And they are willing to do it for next to nothing.

In America we have a market system, not "to each according to his needs." So why should Sirius/XM care if Dave's needs have changed and he can't get by on the same salary required by a single guy with no obligations?

Fez addressed the perceived inequity involving salaries vs mic time with a generous offer of financial assistance - without arguing that Dave didn't deserve more pay or that Dave didn't help Fez out on the air during a difficult period. It was a demonstration of appreciation.

You can't always get what you want in life. If you're a young guy with no ties you can take all the crap, including low pay, that Sirius/XM hands out for a chance to eventually host your own show. If you have obligations but have earned no radio show of your own and commensurate salary, you have to either quit radio and go work for Handi-Lift or find a second source of income. If you have a 2 hour commute, a second job is impossible.

Fez's solution was the only sane one that could reconcile Dave continuing to pursue his dreams with his reality. The biggest obstacle seemed to be that Dave didn't want to compromise on any point, including that he didn't want Fez to be his boss. Since he already is, an observer might think not taking him up on the offer wasn't the smartest move.

No.
Dave is unique and not easily replaced.
Fez's solution was no solution that worked at all. Dave's wife needs to take care of the sick baby.

[K.C.]

No.
Dave is unique and not easily replaced.
Fez's solution was no solution that worked at all. Dave's wife needs to take care of the sick baby.

Dave is unique, but he's totally replaceable, because he hasn't demonstrated any value to the company (in the sense that they look for it), and that's the point Ron was trying to make to him.

He has talent, he obviously loves working in that business, and people obviously like what he does...but in terms of doing the type of legwork it takes to put himself in a position to get what he wants, he seems to have thrown all-in on either Sirius paying him to do Special Delivery, or getting a raise based on how his role on the show has grown.

And neither sound particularly likely to happen based on how Sirius does business (like Ron said, they replaced Earl with nothing...that obviously shows how important they think staff for the show is...and to a degree, how important they think the show is to the overall platform).

To be honest, the company probably view the Ron & Fez show as fairly replaceable.

[Death Metal Moe]

I like Dave, but there is just NO money being thrown around in Sirius anymore. Those days are long gone.

As far as getting paid for Special Delivery, they do deserve some expenses if you ask me. It's the ONLY live programming during the weekend and it's sorely needed. But Sirius didn't ask for Special Delivery. It doesn't really want any live programming, they showed us that when they stripped the channel of all content it didn't want to pay.

I fear SD is going away soon.

[Fillmore Slim]

The kids going to daycare is not at all a valid option. Why do people refuse to accept that?

[Melk]

The problem with "Dave should get paid more..." is that he is easily replaceable - not because he doesn't have any talent or appeal but because there are innumerable equally or funnier/more entertaining/hungrier guys in NYC who would KILL for the opportunity to be a producer/stunt boy/third mic (but the more mic time the better) on the Ron and Fez show. And they are willing to do it for next to nothing.
I agree with this point completely. It is not that Dave isn't awesome on the air, it is that Sirius/XM is completely unwilling to give even small concessions to "The Ron and Fez Show."

You would think that staffing hole created by Earl's departure would have created a space for Mooch or created a payroll credit that would've been distributed between Dave and Chris. Neither of these things happened. Sirius does not care about "The Ron and Fez Show." I doubt they care about "The Opie and Anthony Show" either. Heck. They wouldn't even give Lily a paying gig.

If Dave quit, the weight of the production of the show would be shifted to Chris.

Dave is in an industry that is rapidly imploding. Radio has been run by idiots for the past thirty years. There have been no attempts to innovate new formats and many older formats have been killed off (radio drama).

If I were him, I would obtain permission to create podcasts on my freetime which I would then try to sell Jimmy Pardo-style or I would constantly audition for new gigs.

Dave's constantly complaining to Fez about his pay and insurance is displaced aggression. Fez offered Dave money because it is really the only thing Fez can do in this situation.

[Fillmore Slim]

I agree with this point completely. It is not that Dave isn't awesome on the air, it is that Sirius/XM is completely unwilling to give even small concessions to "The Ron and Fez Show."

You would think that staffing hole created by Earl's departure would have created a space for Mooch or created a payroll credit that would've been distributed between Dave and Chris. Neither of these things happened. Sirius does not care about "The Ron and Fez Show." I doubt they care about "The Opie and Anthony Show" either. Heck. They wouldn't even give Lily a paying gig.

If Dave quit, the weight of the production of the show would be shifted to Chris.

Dave is in an industry that is rapidly imploding. Radio has been run by idiots for the past thirty years. There have been no attempts to innovate new formats and many older formats have been killed off (radio drama).

If I were him, I would obtain permission to create podcasts on my freetime which I would then try to sell Jimmy Pardo-style or I would constantly audition for new gigs.

Dave's constantly complaining to Fez about his pay and insurance is displaced aggression. Fez offered Dave money because it is really the only thing Fez can do in this situation.

Fez made the offer because Fez thought Casey was the mastermind behind Fez's identity theft. If she's working she surely wouldn't have to time to direct the minions. :rolleyes:

[K.C.]

The kids going to daycare is not at all a valid option. Why do people refuse to accept that?

It's a nice gesture by Fez (if it really was a legitimate offer), but it really does nothing to solve his problem...the bottom line is he needs/wants more money, period.


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[Death Metal Moe]

Well who ever got more money at their job just because they want it?

[Bob Impact]

Well who ever got more money at their job just because they want it?

This, a THOUSAND TIMES this.. I've had people say this to me in past jobs, that they deserve a raise because they want it, I told them all the same thing "If you think your skillset will bring in more money elsewhere you are free to leave and find out."

[StanUpshaw]

It's a nice gesture by Fez (if it really was a legitimate offer), but it really does nothing to solve his problem...the bottom line is he needs/wants more money, period.

The object was to free up Casey's day so she could go out and earn more money.

[SatCam]

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[Melk]

Fez made the offer because Fez thought Casey was the mastermind behind Fez's identity theft. If she's working she surely wouldn't have to time to direct the minions. :rolleyes:
Fez offered the money conditionally because he believed two things:

1) Casey was doing things on the message boards and social networking web sites that turned the Internet fans against Fez. When Fez was posting on RonFez.net as FezFez, it was amazing the number of zero-post users who were attacking Fez about Dave-related matters. Do I believe Casey was orchestrating anti-Fez sentiment? No. But I could understand why a sensitive guy on anti-depressants would.

2) Casey wasn't helping Dave enough. Fez had claimed that Dave had said such things to him. I have no real reason to believe this either, but Fez said this, too.

[Melk]

The kids going to daycare is not at all a valid option. Why do people refuse to accept that?
How is it not a valid option?

[Tenbatsuzen]

An important thing to realize is that with Stan's health issues, a day care place may not take him in because of a liability issue.

So if Stan can't go into daycare, Casey becomes the primary caregiver again. So why put Juls in?


What really fucking steams me about today's show is Fez's implication about Sheepy being terrible around kids.

This is a guy who is basically an uncle by extension to Pat and Silera's kid, and he FUCKING LIVES WITH A FIVE MONTH OLD. All of which qualifies him to watch two kids for a few hours, much more so than Fez.

[Tenbatsuzen]

How is it not a valid option?

1) Some parents do not want to put their kids in daycare. Period.

2) Stan's health issues may preclude him from going into daycare even if D&C wanted to put him in.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know, someone called in with this idea, and it was a fucking great idea.

A paypal account that is basically a Special Delivery tip jar for the show.

[DH 215]

An important thing to realize is that with Stan's health issues, a day care place may not take him in because of a liability issue.

So if Stan can't go into daycare, Casey becomes the primary caregiver again. So why put Juls in?


What really fucking steams me about today's show is Fez's implication about Sheepy being terrible around kids.

This is a guy who is basically an uncle by extension to Pat and Silera's kid, and he FUCKING LIVES WITH A FIVE MONTH OLD. All of which qualifies him to watch two kids for a few hours, much more so than Fez.

If I ever had kids, I would have no problem with Sheepy watching them. He is great around kids while I just spoil kids rotten around X-mas and that is it. Of course, I would need a second date before I could have kids.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If I ever had kids, I would have no problem with Sheepy watching them. He is great around kids while I just spoil kids rotten around X-mas and that is it. Of course, I would need a second date before I could have kids.

I would keep away from Craigslist. How about going to McFadden's and buying a whore round?

[StanUpshaw]

Does Dave do appearances? Maybe Friday nights, instead of paying his hard-earned money to go get trashed, he offers himself up for rent like Snooki and gets paid to party with listeners.

[SonicReducer]

Let's see, vehicle, rent, food, entertainment, wife, two kids, FUCK YOU!!!!! Not that its' anyones business, but Dave's getting more than $2K a month, or he's a fuck wad of irresponsibility to his family, and or a major burden on his family and inlaws. I'm sure Dave is underpaid, but underpaid in Manhatten or New York City ain't the same as underpaid in jersey city - so - don't cry poor, hoping someone will pity you and buy your product (SD, S&D), show them your product is a valuable commodity, and let them make you an offer, or get a second job you beast of burden. Love ya Dave

[DH 215]

I would keep away from Craigslist. How about going to McFadden's and buying a whore round?

I could lie and say I am Pat Burrell.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Does Dave do appearances? Maybe Friday nights, instead of paying his hard-earned money to go get trashed, he offers himself up for rent like Snooki and gets paid to party with listeners.

He's not that famous enough, and XM doesn't have the advertising model for talent to do local appearances like Gary, Stuttering John, etc. could do on the Stern show back in the day.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let's see, vehicle, rent, food, entertainment, wife, two kids, FUCK YOU!!!!! Not that its' anyones business, but Dave's getting more than $2K a month, or he's a fuck wad of irresponsibility to his family, and or a major burden on his family and inlaws. I'm sure Dave is underpaid, but underpaid in Manhatten or New York City ain't the same as underpaid in jersey city - so - don't cry poor, hoping someone will pity you and buy your product (SD, S&D), show them your product is a valuable commodity, and let them make you an offer, or get a second job you beast of burden. Love ya Dave

it's the passive aggressive fuckwit, everyone

[Tenbatsuzen]

I could lie and say I am Pat Burrell.

How about saying you're the rear right tire changer for Martin Truex Jr.?

[Melk]

1) Some parents do not want to put their kids in daycare. Period.

2) Stan's health issues may preclude him from going into daycare even if D&C wanted to put him in.
1) That may be true. That doesn't invalidate it as an option.

2) If Stan's health condition doesn't preclude him from going into daycare, then it is not an issue. So, that doesn't invalidate it as an option.

I'm not saying that he should take Fez's offer, I'm saying it is a valid option.

There are other options he could take:
1) Get an evening job. Yes, with the amount of time Dave works combined with the 2 hour commute it would be a horrible strain.
2) Cut back on expenses (cable, internet, alcohol). Sure, getting rid of cable TV and the internet would limit the amount of media awareness Dave has on the air, so it would be a bad idea from a professional standpoint, but again... it could relieve some of the pressure Dave has financially.
3) Ask for necessities when creating an Amazon Wish List.
4) Don't go "highin'." It could lead to your arrest or, worse still, lead child protective services to take your children away.
5) Dedicate every free hour to finding a better-paying job.
6) If the topic is sensitive, don't discuss it on the air.

[opie's twisted balls]

As a side note, how is Stan doing these days? I haven't had a chance to listen to any 202 for the last while.

[Fillmore Slim]

How is it not a valid option?

Tenbatsuzen explains why.

An important thing to realize is that with Stan's health issues, a day care place may not take him in because of a liability issue.

So if Stan can't go into daycare, Casey becomes the primary caregiver again. So why put Juls in?


What really fucking steams me about today's show is Fez's implication about Sheepy being terrible around kids.

This is a guy who is basically an uncle by extension to Pat and Silera's kid, and he FUCKING LIVES WITH A FIVE MONTH OLD. All of which qualifies him to watch two kids for a few hours, much more so than Fez.

1) Some parents do not want to put their kids in daycare. Period.

2) Stan's health issues may preclude him from going into daycare even if D&C wanted to put him in.


Also I don't think people are looking far enough down the road.

Lets say Stan is 100% healthy and capable of entering daycare. Dave and Casey except Fez's offer and Casey gets a job. Casey, with nothing more than a high school education, will get a job makes somewhere in the range of $25-30k. Fez isn't going to pay for daycare forever and once Fez stops footing the bill all of Casey's income would go to paying for daycare. Therefore it will no longer be extra income for the family and she would essentially be working just to pay for daycare.

The only real option they have now would be for Casey to get a night job a couple of days a week.

[StanUpshaw]

He's not that famous enough, and XM doesn't have the advertising model for talent to do local appearances like Gary, Stuttering John, etc. could do on the Stern show back in the day.

He has 3+ hours a week to market himself. He could make the party recap a weekly segment on SD, and I'm sure Ron would be interested to hear about it on Mondays. Plugs at the end of the show, a decent website with plenty photos, twideos, etc. He might as well give it a try.

[Fillmore Slim]

1) That may be true. That doesn't invalidate it as an option.

2) If Stan's health condition doesn't preclude him from going into daycare, then it is not an issue. So, that doesn't invalidate it as an option.

I'm not saying that he should take Fez's offer, I'm saying it is a valid option.

There are other options he could take:
1) Get an evening job. Yes, with the amount of time Dave works combined with the 2 hour commute it would be a horrible strain.
2) Cut back on expenses (cable, internet, alcohol). Sure, getting rid of cable TV and the internet would limit the amount of media awareness Dave has on the air, so it would be a bad idea from a professional standpoint, but again... it could relieve some of the pressure Dave has financially.
3) Ask for necessities when creating an Amazon Wish List.
4) Don't go "highin'." It could lead to your arrest or, worse still, lead child protective services to take your children away.
5) Dedicate every free hour to finding a better-paying job.
6) If the topic is sensitive, don't discuss it on the air.

It does and that's the entire point of the discussion yet people seem to just gloss over that fact.

[Melk]

Let's see, vehicle, rent, food, entertainment, wife, two kids, FUCK YOU!!!!! Not that its' anyones business, but Dave's getting more than $2K a month, or he's a fuck wad of irresponsibility to his family, and or a major burden on his family and inlaws. I'm sure Dave is underpaid, but underpaid in Manhatten or New York City ain't the same as underpaid in jersey city - so - don't cry poor, hoping someone will pity you and buy your product (SD, S&D), show them your product is a valuable commodity, and let them make you an offer, or get a second job you beast of burden. Love ya Dave
That's harsh.

I do agree that Dave needs to spend more time emphasizing his entertainment quality and less time emphasizing his poverty.

[K.C.]

You know, someone called in with this idea, and it was a fucking great idea.

A paypal account that is basically a Special Delivery tip jar for the show.

Look, I like Dave and I hope the guy gets his own show some day, or at least in a situation where he's closer to an equal partner in the Ron & Fez show or something of that nature...

But, seriously, if it's at the point where he would need listener donations to make ends meet, he may need to put the ole radio dream on the backburner for a while and try and take a job more suitable for his situation for the time being.

[Melk]

The only real option they have now would be for Casey to get a night job a couple of days a week.
I would say this is the most sensible option.

[SonicReducer]

it's the passive aggressive fuckwit, everyone
Something in the food service industry I'm sure

[Tenbatsuzen]

1) That may be true. That doesn't invalidate it as an option.

2) If Stan's health condition doesn't preclude him from going into daycare, then it is not an issue. So, that doesn't invalidate it as an option.

I'm not saying that he should take Fez's offer, I'm saying it is a valid option.

There are other options he could take:
1) Get an evening job. Yes, with the amount of time Dave works combined with the 2 hour commute it would be a horrible strain.
2) Cut back on expenses (cable, internet, alcohol). Sure, getting rid of cable TV and the internet would limit the amount of media awareness Dave has on the air, so it would be a bad idea from a professional standpoint, but again... it could relieve some of the pressure Dave has financially.
3) Ask for necessities when creating an Amazon Wish List.
4) Don't go "highin'." It could lead to your arrest or, worse still, lead child protective services to take your children away.
5) Dedicate every free hour to finding a better-paying job.
6) If the topic is sensitive, don't discuss it on the air.

As I'm acquaintances with Dave and Casey, I'm not going to comment how they should lead their lives. But I assure you, Stan's health problems are a real issue and you will have an extremely hard time finding a day care that will take him in, especially considering his illness is still unknown.

[StanUpshaw]

The only real option they have now would be for Casey to get a night job a couple of days a week.

Put on the red light?

[Death Metal Moe]

Put on the red light?

You don't have to put on the red light.

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[Snoogans]

Put on the red light?

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Something in the food service industry I'm sure

Actually, I worked in radio for close to five years and I stopped working because I was making shit money and I wanted to get married, buy a house, and start a family.

So Dave's issues hit incredibly close to home for me, and I have a remarkable amount of sympathy for what he's going through.

And I can also assure you that 2K a month working in radio may be pretty accurate.

[tanless1]

Or, get a job that pays, and work overnights at a local station. He'll still have an inside track w/ ron and fez.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm gonna be blunt about this.

I don't know why we're ever sorry for people who get themselves into debt with kids, it's an extremely avoidable situation. Abstinence, contraception and simple operations for either partner are all pre-emptive steps. Abortion is another option.

So when people decide to have kids they can't afford anyway, I just can't feel that sorry for them.

I like Dave and don't want to see him in trouble, but he made his choice.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Or, get a job that pays, and work overnights at a local station. He'll still have an inside track w/ ron and fez.

OK. Where?

Basically, Dave's entire support system is in NJ. His friends and family are here, and so is a good portion of Casey's friends.

As mentioned before, Radio is an imploding business. A sinking ship. there are no jobs, especially locally, where a majority of them are either voicetracked or syndicated. New Jersey 101.5, one of the biggest stations in the state, fired it's late night host and plays replays of Dennis and Judi to save money. Besides, hitting the post on a fucking Zep song is a waste of Dave's talents.

The problem Dave may have is that he may be seen as too wild and not professional enough to get a "real" producer gig in regular radio, one that may pay him more than something that's seen as an entry level position. As Ron said on the air today, Dave was not being very focused in either trying to get a raise or seeking out new jobs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm gonna be blunt about this.

I don't know why we're ever sorry for people who get themselves into debt with kids, it's an extremely avoidable situation. Abstinence, contraception and simple operations for either partner are all pre-emptive steps. Abortion is another option.

So when people decide to have kids they can't afford anyway, I just can't feel that sorry for them.

I like Dave and don't want to see him in trouble, but he made his choice.

that's pretty fucking appalling dude.

After Juls was born, Dave and Case were using the pill and it failed. To make the leap to abortion, especially when it's people you know, is pretty fucked up.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm gonna be blunt about this.

I don't know why we're ever sorry for people who get themselves into debt with kids, it's an extremely avoidable situation. Abstinence, contraception and simple operations for either partner are all pre-emptive steps. Abortion is another option.

So when people decide to have kids they can't afford anyway, I just can't feel that sorry for them.

I like Dave and don't want to see him in trouble, but he made his choice.

"#2 Fez Fan checking in."

[Death Metal Moe]

that's pretty fucking appalling dude.

After Juls was born, Dave and Case were using the pill and it failed. To make the leap to abortion, especially when it's people you know, is pretty fucked up.

I was just saying it in general.

My uncle has 4 kids, and they're broke. And I just can't bring myself to feel that sorry for them ultimately. I didn't tell them to have that many fucking kids.

And what? You're gonna act all fucking butthurt over a comment I made about kids now?

[SonicReducer]

Actually, I worked in radio for close to five years and I stopped working because I was making shit money and I wanted to get married, buy a house, and start a family.

So Dave's issues hit incredibly close to home for me, and I have a remarkable amount of sympathy for what he's going through.

And I can also assure you that 2K a month working in radio may be pretty accurate.

This is where life kicks you in the face, do I do what I love, or do I do what supports my responsibilties. In a perfect world its both.

[Melk]

As I'm acquaintances with Dave and Casey, I'm not going to comment how they should lead their lives. But I assure you, Stan's health problems are a real issue and you will have an extremely hard time finding a day care that will take him in, especially considering his illness is still unknown.
I'm not calling them fake. I assume that Stan's medical problems are serious.

I have a friend who has an infant son who was born without eyes, is practically deaf, has severely damaged kidneys so he is on dialysis and has a severe respiratory problem that causes his heart to stop constantly. He and his wife have to tend to the kid constantly and carry a portable AED with them everywhere they go to restart his heart.

I used to see the guy a few times a week. Since he had his son, I see him once every two months. He doesn't believe that his wife should have to shoulder the burden of having to take care of such a needy kid every waking hour. He had to make severe sacrifices because he sees his family as being important. Every time I see him, he looks exhausted.

I feel bad for Dave, but I also feel that Dave creates problems for himself by living recklessly.

And I can also assure you that 2K a month working in radio may be pretty accurate.
I don't doubt it. I remember reading back in the day that the sidekick of the highest-paid radio host in Chicago was being paid hourly. I can't even imagine how the host would be comfortable with that situation.

[Lady Resin]

that's pretty fucking appalling dude.

After Juls was born, Dave and Case were using the pill and it failed. To make the leap to abortion, especially when it's people you know, is pretty fucked up.

I thought Dave mentioned that Casey couldn't take the pill for health reasons. I could be wrong. He did mention about moving the family to Westchester where her family is and they my have help there. It would be a cheaper commute.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was just saying it in general.

My uncle has 4 kids, and they're broke. And I just can't bring myself to feel that sorry for them ultimately. I didn't tell them to have that many fucking kids.

And what? You're gonna act all fucking butthurt over a comment I made about kids now?

I understand that, but it came across as "Casey should have gotten an abortion".

[Tenbatsuzen]

I thought Dave mentioned that Casey couldn't take the pill for health reasons. I could be wrong. He did mention about moving the family to Westchester where her family is and they my have help there. It would be a cheaper commute.

I wasn't sure.. I just know that Dave and Casey weren't trying to get pregnant with Stan so there was some sort of contraception failure.

[Dirtbag]

Casey, with nothing more than a high school education, will get a job makes somewhere in the range of $25-30k.

You can make $25-30k with a high school diploma? Where the fuck do I sign up for that?

[Death Metal Moe]

I understand that, but it came across as "Casey should have gotten an abortion".

Not at all. I'm just saying that there are many options open to couples, so when they decide to have too many kids I don't feel as sorry for them when the money isn't enough. I didn't tell them to birth themselves into poverty.

If you want to have kids, either make sure you have enough money to support them or live with less money than you wanted to have.

[Melk]

I wasn't sure.. I just know that Dave and Casey weren't trying to get pregnant with Stan so there was some sort of contraception failure.
If it clarifies things a little, Dave has said that he doesn't like to wear condoms.

[tanless1]

OK. Where?

Basically, Dave's entire support system is in NJ. His friends and family are here, and so is a good portion of Casey's friends.

As mentioned before, Radio is an imploding business. A sinking ship. there are no jobs, especially locally, where a majority of them are either voicetracked or syndicated. New Jersey 101.5, one of the biggest stations in the state, fired it's late night host and plays replays of Dennis and Judi to save money. Besides, hitting the post on a fucking Zep song is a waste of Dave's talents.

The problem Dave may have is that he may be seen as too wild and not professional enough to get a "real" producer gig in regular radio, one that may pay him more than something that's seen as an entry level position. As Ron said on the air today, Dave was not being very focused in either trying to get a raise or seeking out new jobs.

That's dave's issue, now isn't it. He'll need to be the person that they want to hire......and a couple of years out in the work force will mold him into a seasoned human being. I don't recall implying it would be easy.....and your not the only one that's been around a radio studio. So climb down of your high horse. Radio wasn't getting paid shit 20 years ago, let alone 5.
Dave fails himself by not using every opportunity he has to produce airchecks,promos that are terstrial friendly..... I've seen plenty of people go thru the radio mill, and have been surprised at the one that kept the job, and those that were left by the wayside.

[deliciousV]

I have found myself torn thru-out this whole thing, if I remember right the whole deal with Fez offering to pay daycare started with Ron guilting him because he basically needed Dave and was using him as a crutch to do his job for him when he couldn't, so he should be helping Dave out since Dave was doing his job, to a degree. So after a day or two Fez offered the money, but then told them how to spend it. It seemed silly to me at the time for him to give them 2 grand for daycare when she probably would have a hard time making 2 grand a month at entry level, why not just give it to them for a while if you're gonna give it? My wife use to do daycare by the way, and I can tell you she would not have kept Stan after his illness became so serious, and I can tell you that if Casey had got a job, she'd have lost it by now for missing so much work.
Any way the flip side of all this is that Fez is under no obligation to help these people, anything he wants to do he can, and I am increasingly angered by the disrespect shown by Dave to Fez. It seems that Dave, while helping the show and Fez out by filling the void has placed himself on the same level as Fez, and can now say whatever the fuck he wants, so thats where I'm torn, on the one hand I say if you want to help them Fez just hand over the 2 grand and let them use it as they see fit, on the other hand I say fuck you Dave, you've gotten too big for your britches.

wordy, I know.

[Space Edge]

Or, get a job that pays, and work overnights at a local station. He'll still have an inside track w/ ron and fez.

OK. Where?

Basically, Dave's entire support system is in NJ. His friends and family are here, and so is a good portion of Casey's friends.

As mentioned before, Radio is an imploding business. A sinking ship. there are no jobs, especially locally, where a majority of them are either voicetracked or syndicated. New Jersey 101.5, one of the biggest stations in the state, fired it's late night host and plays replays of Dennis and Judi to save money. Besides, hitting the post on a fucking Zep song is a waste of Dave's talents.

The problem Dave may have is that he may be seen as too wild and not professional enough to get a "real" producer gig in regular radio, one that may pay him more than something that's seen as an entry level position. As Ron said on the air today, Dave was not being very focused in either trying to get a raise or seeking out new jobs.


I mentioned this in one of the other threads but why not pick up some more hours at Sirius? A lot of the other Hosts, DJ's, Producers and Board Op's work on 4 or 5 different shows on multiple channels on the platform.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm gonna be blunt about this.

I don't know why we're ever sorry for people who get themselves into debt with kids, it's an extremely avoidable situation. Abstinence, contraception and simple operations for either partner are all pre-emptive steps. Abortion is another option.

So when people decide to have kids they can't afford anyway, I just can't feel that sorry for them.

I like Dave and don't want to see him in trouble, but he made his choice.

And what about people that are doing ok, have kids, then things take a downturn and they are in trouble? Do they not deserve sympathy because they chose to "have kids". Like its a fucking crime to breed and populate the planet...you know...do what the fuck we are on this planet to do. The whole nature thing.

Because I have 2 kids that are the same ages as Daves. Right now, at my main job, I am making 25% of what I was making before my daughter was born. Theres nothing I can do. With the housing market in the shits the money just isnt there. So I got not 1, not 2, but 3 other jobs to help make ends meet. Plus my wife works, plus we started a cake business out of our house. And its still not enough because whenever one thing comes together another falls apart. So I deserve to watch my kids suffer if I cant make things work because I decided to have them? Great fucking attitude.


As I'm acquaintances with Dave and Casey, I'm not going to comment how they should lead their lives. But I assure you, Stan's health problems are a real issue and you will have an extremely hard time finding a day care that will take him in, especially considering his illness is still unknown.

Even if a daycare would take Stan, how many parents would leave a kid with those kinds of health issues with a daycare 8 hours a day? My son is Stans age and I sure as hell know me and my wife wouldnt.

If Fez didnt know that situation I would have said he was trying to help. But he did. Which makes me think that maybe he only made the gesture because he knew they would turn it down and then hed look like the good guy, and Dave would look like the dick.

And theres a big difference between Sheepy watching your kids for 2 hours and taking your kids to daycare every day. Sheepy shouldve called up and said ((in Sheepy voice)) "Whats your problem with my kid watching skills Fez? You fucking faggot."

[Tenbatsuzen]

I mentioned this in one of the other threads but why not pick up some more hours at Sirius? A lot of the other Hosts, DJ's, Producers and Board Op's work on 4 or 5 different shows on multiple channels on the platform.

Depends if the hours are available for him. Maybe they aren't because he's a salaried employee.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And theres a big difference between Sheepy watching your kids for 2 hours and taking your kids to daycare every day. Sheepy shouldve called up and said ((in Sheepy voice)) "Whats your problem with my kid watching skills Fez? You fucking faggot."

Oh, I was raging at work to call in and tear up Fez for bashing Sheepy being a babysitter. I thought better of it, but Fez thinking Sheepy can't be a babysitter for a few hours shows how out of touch he is.

[Tenbatsuzen]

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and to the sirius suits who could be reading this, fuck you too.

[Melk]

Even if a daycare would take Stan, how many parents would leave a kid with those kinds of health issues with a daycare 8 hours a day?
I certainly would not want to leave even a healthy kid in day care, but sometimes parents have to make tough decisions to stay afloat financially.

Considering the educational expenses required to get a day care license (2 years post-high school) and the amount of profit most day care workers make (McDonalds or Burger King would be better), I don't see why anyone would be able to trust health care employees.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I certainly would not want to leave even a healthy kid in day care, but sometimes parents have to make tough decisions to stay afloat financially.

Putting a kid in day care doesn't exactly equal staying afloat financially. Dave unfortunately works in a position where he has to be in the office.

[ShowerBench]

Fez did have a scenario worked out in his mind in which the $2K would be spent on day care so that Casey could find a job with benefits. Nobody wants to hand over 2K a month under any circumstance, so it's not surprising Fez would hope that the value of the money would be maximized.

Dave isn't a "genius." Dave is funny sometimes doing some things. He's not anywhere close to Ron or Fez in terms of appeal as a host. Ron has been able to exploit Dave's personality and skills to their best possible effect to appeal to the most listeners possible, and now some, evidently including Dave, are under the misapprehension that Dave is up to par as a host of his own show.

But it's Ron's genius, not Dave's, that is behind any on-air success Dave has enjoyed - and Ron could do the same with any number of other radio aspirants off the street. Both Ron and Fez have also enabled Dave to hone any on-air skills he has, so that he might be able to get by hosting something like a rapid-fire sports talk show. But radio success at else besides a third mic on the Ron and Fez show or something very similar would be far from a sure bet. (A a lot of listeners still don't like Dave. Some just don't like his delivery or personality, some don't like the way he deals with Fez - likely a result of an outsized sense of his own talent and marketability).

Nothing he said today made much sense. In particular, he was way out of line with Fez, and there is nothing happening in the realm of reality that would make anyone sane believe that was justified or intelligent.

[StanUpshaw]

Seriously though, if I were Casey, I'd have started hookin' by now.

[Melk]

Putting a kid in day care doesn't exactly equal staying afloat financially. Dave unfortunately works in a position where he has to be in the office.
It is if both spouses, individually, make more money than the cost of day care and their other expenses required to put the kid in day care.

[The Nature Boy]

The show is the Ron and Fez show. We've seen this go through enough incarnations to realize that Dave, while amusing, is interchangable and replacable. Fez sure seems to lean on him, but I think Dave's been a wonderful little goldfish, filling as much space as the tank allows. If Dave went away, I think you'd see a different Fez and there would be a new car wreck in the mix.

Of course, on the flip side, this was the Ron and Ron show once, and I don't see why it coudn't be Ron and Dave. But that would really probably be pretty miserable, Dave is wonderful in his role, but listening to Sam and Dave, eh.

So that leads to my greater point. We all enjoy Dave, and he seems like he has ability in his role, and radio is is his "dream". But we don't all get to live our dreams. Sometimes you reach your mid 30's and look at hope and look at reality. Its positively unthinkable to me that he actually makes $25K per year, but I can definately see him making less than $50K. Either way, I myself make comfortably more than that, and as a single male, I struggle with bills sometimes and I wonder how. The answer is, life is expensive.

Maybe the time is coming to give up radio and look elsewhere. We aren't promised our dreams, we are only, ideally and hopefully, promised the CHANCE to follow them. Success is preparation, skill and lets face it, luck. Dave seems to only bring skill to that equation.

The lines of life are blurred here as Dave used to post and in the words of a wise man, if its on the air, its a work. Its not my place or my intention to crush Dave's dream, I hope he pulls the inside straight and makes it work. But, I think we all reach a day where we face reality. What are your priorities and where do they lie? Its great to have a dream to be in radio, but when it starts to compromise your family, then perhaps you need to rethink your direction.

We don't always get what we want in life. It may just be that for Dave's kids to get what they want and deserve, Dave won't get what he wants. Thats a pretty personal question that only he can answer, but after hearing today's admittedly sad show, maybe thats a question to start asking. I realize they are "losing" money hosting Sam and Dave, but if your hunger isn't where it was do to this gig for free, no matter what, to have an opportunity to shine and audition nationwide each week, then maybe its time to look in other directions.

I hope the SOB hits the lotto tomorrow though and Stan wakes up with a miracle and is a healthy little slugger! I sincerely send this wish and vibe out and I encourage everyone else to, stranger things have happened. Dave will figure out money, but lets really hope Stan gets jammin!

[TripleSkeet]

Fez did have a scenario worked out in his mind in which the $2K would be spent on day care so that Casey could find a job with benefits. Nobody wants to hand over 2K a month under any circumstance, so it's not surprising Fez would hope that the value of the money would be maximized.

Dave isn't a "genius." Dave is funny sometimes doing some things. He's not anywhere close to Ron or Fez in terms of appeal as a host. Ron has been able to exploit Dave's personality and skills to their best possible effect to appeal to the most listeners possible, and now some, evidently including Dave, are under the misapprehension that Dave is up to par as a host of his own show.

But it's Ron's genius, not Dave's, that is behind any on-air success Dave has enjoyed - and Ron could do the same with any number of other radio aspirants off the street. Both Ron and Fez have also enabled Dave to hone any on-air skills he has, so that he might be able to get by hosting something like a rapid-fire sports talk show. But radio success at else besides a third mic on the Ron and Fez show or something very similar would be far from a sure bet. (A a lot of listeners still don't like Dave. Some just don't like his delivery or personality, some don't like the way he deals with Fez - likely a result of an outsized sense of his own talent and marketability).

Nothing he said today made much sense. In particular, he was way out of line with Fez, and there is nothing happening in the realm of reality that would make anyone sane believe that was justified or intelligent.

God your act is so fucking old. Hes been doing Fezs job for the last 2 years. And hes ten times funnier then Fez. Fez brings dick to the show. Literally. Heres Fez's contribution to the show anymore: Cry, Fags, Therapy, Fags, His health, Snippy comment to Dave, Cry, Me Me Me, Everything should be for Fags, Repeat.

The show would be alot less interesting and funny if Dave were to leave then it would if Fez left. If Fez quit it would take 3 weeks before most people even realized it.

[spoon]

Damn you people are turning this into a soap opera. Bottom line is ESD has to make some choices if he's not happy with his situation. Lay shit on the line, make a move, have his wife find some work or a plethora of other choices. I like Davey Mac but his situation is far from unique as many families are in even worse shape. Hell, he's been lucky enough in life that this is the first time (from what I know admittedly) he's actually had to deal with financial trouble of sorts bc he had a good childhood due to his parents. If you have a job right now, we're in a recession, if you don't it's a depression.

I'm not saying I know what's best, but his situation is hardly something we can all comment on as if we do. I don't agree with the way he put it on the show instead of made the case behind closed doors. There is a clear need for live programming on 202/197, they need to make their case better and or find a new way to make it. I'm all for anything over Ellis, let's oust his non-live awful show for some fun on the weekends and more. I love the idea of giving comics shows on rotations as well. I'm no programmer, but Sirus/XM isn't about to give two kids a program after they obviously turned down many other producer based experiments linked to O/A and R/F. He'll probably have to move or change his path to get the financial side of his needs. Right now they probably feel they are nice enough to give them the airtime to get the word out, especially since ESD is now one of many fan/board/caller based additions to the Ron & Fez show. I like Davy Mac a lot, but am surprised his issues with Fez and family with Ron hasn't ended his tenure. I'm glad, but Ronnie and Fez have shit canned others for less.

[ShowerBench]

God your act is so fucking old. Hes been doing Fezs job for the last 2 years. And hes ten times funnier then Fez. Fez brings dick to the show. Literally.

The show would be alot less interesting and funny if Dave were to leave then it would if Fez left. If Fez quit it would take 3 weeks before most people even realized it.

Dave is nowhere close to being as as funny as Fez.

Fez engages on every topic when Dave is out. It sounds like any other Ron and Fez show from the pre-Dave years and it's excellent.

It also makes it more than clear that Dave isn't doing Fez's job, he's stepping on Fez way too much and undermining the entire show. The disrespect on top of it doesn't help.

[spoon]

Good luck Davey, and I hope Stan gets better soon.

[deliciousV]

God your act is so fucking old. Hes been doing Fezs job for the last 2 years. And hes ten times funnier then Fez. Fez brings dick to the show. Literally. Heres Fez's contribution to the show anymore: Cry, Fags, Therapy, Fags, His health, Snippy comment to Dave, Cry, Me Me Me, Everything should be for Fags, Repeat.

The show would be alot less interesting and funny if Dave were to leave then it would if Fez left. If Fez quit it would take 3 weeks before most people even realized it.

Wow, you really are a dick! And not even close to right, not even in the same zip code.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Damn you people are turning this into a soap opera. Bottom line is ESD has to make some choices if he's not happy with his situation. Lay shit on the line, make a move, have his wife find some work or a plethora of other choices. I like Davey Mac but his situation is far from unique as many families are in even worse shape. Hell, he's been lucky enough in life that this is the first time (from what I know admittedly) he's actually had to deal with financial trouble of sorts bc he had a good childhood due to his parents. If you have a job right now, we're in a recession, if you don't it's a depression.

I'm not saying I know what's best, but his situation is hardly something we can all comment on as if we do. I don't agree with the way he put it on the show instead of made the case behind closed doors. There is a clear need for live programming on 202/197, they need to make their case better and or find a new way to make it. I'm all for anything over Ellis, let's oust his non-live awful show for some fun on the weekends and more. I love the idea of giving comics shows on rotations as well. I'm no programmer, but Sirus/XM isn't about to give two kids a program after they obviously turned down many other producer based experiments linked to O/A and R/F. He'll probably have to move or change his path to get the financial side of his needs. Right now they probably feel they are nice enough to give them the airtime to get the word out, especially since ESD is now one of many fan/board/caller based additions to the Ron & Fez show. I like Davy Mac a lot, but am surprised his issues with Fez and family with Ron hasn't ended his tenure. I'm glad, but Ronnie and Fez have shit canned others for less.

Well put.

[JPMNICK]

Dave needs out, but i bet every dave hater will be begging for him to come back in a month.

XM should be embarrassed if they let him leave and go somewhere else.

[Crispy123]

I need to provide for my family so I will increase the stock in my work, I am strong confident Dave Mcdonald.

[TripleSkeet]

I like Davy Mac a lot, but am surprised his issues with Fez and family with Ron hasn't ended his tenure. I'm glad, but Ronnie and Fez have shit canned others for less.

Fez isnt firing anyone without Ronny B's permission. And Ron isnt going to fire Dave because then hed have to talk to himself 4 hours a day.

Dave is nowhere close to being as as funny as Fez.

Fez engages on every topic when Dave is out. It sounds like any other Ron and Fez show from the pre-Dave years and it's excellent.

It also makes it more than clear that Dave isn't doing Fez's job, he's stepping on Fez way too much and undermining the entire show. The disrespect on top of it doesn't help.



Wrong. And Im done with you. Im not trying to change your mind regarding Fez. You have your opinion. You think hes great, I think he sucks. The only time hes remotely interesting is when Rons ripping on him, and even that gets old after awhile. The mans not entertaining to me anymore. At all. And neither of us are going to change our minds.

Wow, you really are a dick! And not even close to right, not even in the same zip code.

Its my opinion bro. And you may not think Im right, but thats your opinion. There are ALOT of people out there that feel the same exact way I do.

[tanless1]

I don't see any dave haters here.

[spoon]

I don't see any dave haters here.

I think his tattoos are ugly and he has the devils hair.

[Ithaqua]

I don't know how he do'es it. I live in the country in MA and make 27 thousand per year taking care of violent autistic adults. I could not afford to live in NY even on my pay forget having a wife and kids. Unless your lucky or born into money I guess we are all doomed to a life of quiet desperation:sad:

[Crispy123]

I don't see any dave haters here.

Bestiality, insanity, and gonzo enthusiasm what's not to like?

[Melk]

Dave needs out, but i bet every dave hater will be begging for him to come back in a month.

XM should be embarrassed if they let him leave and go somewhere else.
I know I would miss Dave the minute his final show were to end. I miss Earl. I miss Lily. I miss Pitzy.

I would not call myself a Dave hater. I do think the guy is a little ungrateful to just about everyone in his life.

[Melk]

I need to provide for my family so I will increase the stock in my work, I am strong confident Dave Mcdonald.
"I can get 10,000 dollars more a year working at Target? It's not my dream job, but I'll take it! I'm logical, self-sufficient Dave McDonald!"

[YourAmishDaddy]

Anyone who is honest with themselves knows Fez made that offer with ulterior motives.

Anyone that is honest with themselves knows Dave has gone from a bumbling idiot who couldn't even run the board to a full fledged producer who basically holds up his end, half of the end Earl left and 80% of Fez's end for some time now.

I came into it all hating and despising Dave for a long time. But I really came to the realization that in many ways he's now a major part of keeping a show alive I've been into over 10 years.

I seriously hope Dave's life takes a better turn. Sadly though I don't think that will happen at Sirius. And on his departure, which seems almost imminent with the infighting going on many will finally realize his contributions on that show. It's sadly now Ron and a microphone with a catatonic co-host and an understaffed production team keeping the ship afloat.

It's been this way for a long time now. And to not see it is just lying to one's self. Which is saddening.

[TjM]

They CANNOT catch a break!

http://rfeastsidedave.posterous.com/car-impounded-0

:sad:

Oh boy he's going to snap

[TjM]

Let's see, vehicle, rent, food, entertainment, wife, two kids, FUCK YOU!!!!! Not that its' anyones business, but Dave's getting more than $2K a month, or he's a fuck wad of irresponsibility to his family, and or a major burden on his family and inlaws. I'm sure Dave is underpaid, but underpaid in Manhatten or New York City ain't the same as underpaid in jersey city - so - don't cry poor, hoping someone will pity you and buy your product (SD, S&D), show them your product is a valuable commodity, and let them make you an offer, or get a second job you beast of burden. Love ya Dave

2K a month take home seems right if you factor in health insurance, taxes, and other deductions (401K maybe)

[yojimbo7248]

I thought it is a given that in radio you have to go pay your dues in smaller markets. You work in Sioux City, Albuquerque, etc., after years of experience, you move to larger markets and then finally to LA or NYC.

I love Dave. The guy seriously cracks me up but this city is full of funny, talented, hard-working people who would die to get his position.

If Lilly could land a job in Buffalo, maybe Dave could get something in the NE so they could be somewhat close to family and friends. I just thought that people getting into radio, newsbroadcasting, weather reporting, etc. knew they would have to move around a lot to somewhat small cities.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The solution could be the show at night. Dave could wait tables during the lunch rush in the city, leave at 2:30, go do the show, and come home. Spends quality time in the morning with the family.

Just a thought.

[hydee]

I'm gonna be blunt about this.

I don't know why we're ever sorry for people who get themselves into debt with kids, it's an extremely avoidable situation. Abstinence, contraception and simple operations for either partner are all pre-emptive steps. Abortion is another option.

So when people decide to have kids they can't afford anyway, I just can't feel that sorry for them.

I like Dave and don't want to see him in trouble, but he made his choice.

This is exactly how I feel about this. I don't feel badly for them because they made this bed not once but twice. I feel bad for Juls and Stan daily because they didn't ask to be born into the chaos they are living in right now.

It's not fair to the kids they didn't ask to be here, so if you are going to have kids make damn sure the life they step into is comfortable, safe, secure and happy.

[hydee]

that's pretty fucking appalling dude.

After Juls was born, Dave and Case were using the pill and it failed. To make the leap to abortion, especially when it's people you know, is pretty fucked up.

Then Dave needs to man up and learn to fuck with condoms! Christ. Double up so you don't have to deal with what they are dealing with now. Personal responsibility has to come in to play when you might create a life and don't have the means to raise it properly. Security is something you owe a kid when you have one.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is exactly how I feel about this. I don't feel badly for them because they made this bed not once but twice. I feel bad for Juls and Stan daily because they didn't ask to be born into the chaos they are living in right now.

It's not fair to the kids they didn't ask to be here, so if you are going to have kids make damn sure the life they step into is comfortable, safe, secure and happy.

Wow, what an incredibly cunty thing to say.

[Serpico1103]

No doubt that esd is responsible for his position. Nevertheless, earl lrft and was not replaced. Where is that money? Esd produces rf and is on air, he does the samr for SD. I don't know that sirius can replace him for 40k. Maybe he can't get a job in radio for more, but that doesn't mean he isn't worth more than that to sirius. Maybe he should leave radio, get a regular job and try to break in another way.

[underdog]

Wow, what an incredibly cunty thing to say.

Really?

I always enjoy how much of a dick you are and then as soon as something hits a little too close to your friends or home, you immediately become this self righteous, everything is off-limits person. It's hilarious.

[Serpico1103]

This is exactly how I feel about this. I don't feel badly for them because they made this bed not once but twice. I feel bad for Juls and Stan daily because they didn't ask to be born into the chaos they are living in right now.

It's not fair to the kids they didn't ask to be here, so if you are going to have kids make damn sure the life they step into is comfortable, safe, secure and happy.
Yeah, kids shouldn't grow up in a family where the parents worry about bills. Its horrible. Esd could use more money, but if you think juls and stan are not spoiled emotionally and materially than you haven't been listening well.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Really?

I always enjoy how much of a dick you are and then as soon as something hits a little too close to your friends or home, you immediately become this self righteous, everything is off-limits person. It's hilarious.

She expressed her opinion, I expressed mine. Isn't that part of being a dick?

[Hepcat22]

I like Dave too but he is about as much of a mike hog as Patrice on O & A's show. Perhaps that's why Fez seems quieter now.

One of the funniest Ron & Fez shows I ever heard was the retro Gail O show just after she passed away. The whole show was clips of her calls. And it was full of hilarious one-liners by Fez.

[hydee]

Wow, what an incredibly cunty thing to say.

The truth hurts. Sorry about that.

[Serpico1103]

The truth hurts. Sorry about that.
He meant it as a compliment. One cunt appreciating another's work.

[hydee]

Yeah, kids shouldn't grow up in a family where the parents worry about bills. Its horrible. Esd could use more money, but if you think juls and stan are not spoiled emotionally and materially than you haven't been listening well.

Having rich grandparents, and fans that send you shit isn't the same thing as having put together parents that can give you a secure life. It's just not, I love how people don't seem to get this.

[hydee]

He meant it as a compliment. One cunt appreciating another's work.

I am not a cunt. It was funny the other day but I am not a cunt.

[jimmyolsenblues]

It is such an injustice that fez makes as much as ron and dave carries fez every day.

[Serpico1103]

Having rich grandparents, and fans that send you shit isn't the same thing as having put together parents that can give you a secure life. It's just not, I love how people don't seem to get this.
Its important to your kids where the money comes from? People raise kids with less money than esd makes without help from family or fans. Esd does a show for negative money. He should ask for more. Maybe not 10', but enough to cover his expenses: parking, gas, tolls, dinner, etc.

[Penelope]

Really?

I always enjoy how much of a dick you are and then as soon as something hits a little too close to your friends or home, you immediately become this self righteous, everything is off-limits person. It's hilarious.

Word.

[hurlmon]

Dave is nowhere close to being as as funny as Fez.

Fez engages on every topic when Dave is out. It sounds like any other Ron and Fez show from the pre-Dave years and it's excellent.
Wow you really think it sounds just like the old shows? I couldn't disagree more. Fez really can't hold his own anymore. And I was big Fez fan. He just isn't funny anymore, it's kinda sad. Sure he may get off a funny line but the consistency is no longer there. I don't think Fez can be counted on to be funny and entertaining on a regular basis. Everyday is a crap shoot as to whether or not he'll be able to handle talking on air.

It also makes it more than clear that Dave isn't doing Fez's job, he's stepping on Fez way too much and undermining the entire show. The disrespect on top of it doesn't help.

He's not stepping on Fez. When it was thought that was the problem Dave started the show outside the studio at Fez's request and Ron had to keep calling him in to have a discussion. Ron could only talk to Fez and get the response "Uh yeah right" so many times.

as for the disrespect, as the saying goes respect is earned not given and other than having his name on the show, what has Fez done in the last 2 years to gain any respect from the staff?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am not a cunt. It was funny the other day but I am not a cunt.

I said it was a cunty thing to say. I didn't say you were a cunt. Although, if I was to judge on a body of work on your posts here...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Having rich grandparents, and fans that send you shit isn't the same thing as having put together parents that can give you a secure life. It's just not, I love how people don't seem to get this.

See, if you said this, I wouldn't be annoyed. But it's another thing to make the implication that dave and casey made conscious decisions to have kids, especially one kid who has health problems and SiriusXM has shitty insurance that has put them more in the hole.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Keep the reproductive decisions Dave and Casey made out of this equation. What's done is done. Maybe there were salary promises made by XM that weren't kept by Sirius. Maybe there were pay freezes. We don't know.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Word.

Do you even understand what you're agreeing to? You're an obvious SD fan given your location and sig, yet you're agreeing with someone who's criticizing me for defending Dave.

[smiler grogan]

Theres never a perfect time to have a kid, if people wait unti they have "enough"money or a better job or extra time the human race would be reduced to Stalker Patty wondering the Earth alone.
Healthy kids cost a ton of money and are exhausting, the added financial and emotional burden of a sick kid has got to be overwhelming. No daycare will take Stan with his vomiting issue so unfortunately that leaves Dave to be the lone bread winner. He's feeling real life pressure that's why Dickie is Highin.
Hopefully something breaks for him in the radio biz, I find him hilarious and knowledgeable on some issues.

[underdog]

Do you even understand what you're agreeing to? You're an obvious SD fan given your location and sig, yet you're agreeing with someone who's criticizing me for defending Dave.

I wasn't criticizing you for defending Dave; I was criticizing you for being a hypocritical douchebag.

[spainlinx0]

Dave is nowhere close to being as as funny as Fez.

Fez engages on every topic when Dave is out. It sounds like any other Ron and Fez show from the pre-Dave years and it's excellent.

It also makes it more than clear that Dave isn't doing Fez's job, he's stepping on Fez way too much and undermining the entire show. The disrespect on top of it doesn't help.

That's just not true anymore. I listen to the old shows every day. Fez is fucking finished. I hate to say it, but he is done. Now, Dave today is not even close to Fez back then, but he's the best we got right now.

I feel for Dave. Money troubles are a horrible thing to go through, on top of having a very sick child, it's tough. However, he hasn't put the work in. It was apparent that day. Yes he carries the load on the show, but he hasn't taken his own professional growth very seriously. He is completely dependent on his superiors, and keeps wishing that they will give him a raise or pay him for his time on the air.

Why would they? They already are bleeding him dry for cheap. That's going to continue.

Regarding Fez's daycare money. He should have just offered them the cash. Plain and simple. Anything else is way too intrusive.

I hope Dave gets his big payday. However he just isn't putting in the work on his end that he needs to do to make that happen. He's lazy. Nothing wrong with it. I'm lazy too. I hate putting in the legwork at my job to move up the ranks. I honestly don't care that much. I make enough to support myself and have a good time on the weekends. Dave doesn't have that luxury now.

[Death Metal Moe]

Keep the reproductive decisions Dave and Casey made out of this equation. What's done is done.

Why? I hate how people will talk all day about decisions people make but try to tell them about their kids and "It's really none of your business." Why? Because 2 people fuck you can't tell them they made bad decisions? Dave was complaining about money after 1 kid.

I know there's not much that can be done about it now and I personally thing Dave and Casey probably love their kids a lot and will do the best they can for them. But they're going to have to accept that they're gonna be in the hole for awhile now unless something changes with Dave's income.

And there's no shame in the family and friends helping out. Hell, my parents were way poorer than Dave and Casey are now. Only reason I'm alive is because my father worked 3 jobs at some points, my mother worked part time and they both were given a lot of hand outs from family members and close family friends, most notably my mother's parents.

Lastly, I think it's important to keep in mind that this is the stuff we're told on air, who knows what the actual truth is.

[TjM]

Look I love and hate Dave. (I wake up on Monday and I hate him then on Wednesday I want to kidnap him and go barhopping around Boston) He needs to somehow line up sponsers so Sirus can see he's bringing in money. Or he needs to ditch Sam and go strcctly sports (Sports radio is basically all thats left in radio) Maybe he could even script it and stage callers for a sports show ofr his DEMO tape

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wasn't criticizing you for defending Dave; I was criticizing you for being a hypocritical douchebag.

Explain how I was being a hypocritical douchebag? Because the very suggestion of abortion was brought up and I'm defending people I'm friendly with and have a unique perspective on (RADIO CARD! BEEP BEEP! HI OH!) that I'm being a hypocrite?

Even when I was destroying MLC and Frenchy, I never once picked on her kid. When Chris and his new girl had a baby, I never said word one. I don't believe kids should be drawn into flame wars.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look I love and hate Dave. (I wake up on Monday and I hate him then on Wednesday I want to kidnap him and go barhopping around Boston) He needs to somehow line up sponsers so Sirus can see he's bringing in money. Or he needs to ditch Sam and go stictly sports (Sports radio is basically all thats left in radio) Maybe he could even script it and stage callers for a sports show ofr his DEMO tape

This. When dave had his one-shot sports show and it blew up because of the phones dying, this is what he should have done:

S&D gets a three hour window to do their show. If Dave wants to focus on perhaps branching out into sports radio, then how about Special Delivery becomes 2 hours and he gets 1 hour to do sports in that window and work on his show. Then Sam could do one hour to do wrestling talk or something the next week. That's fair, and that falls within the demographics of the Virus.

Of course, I'm not the PD of the virus, so perhaps this idea was suggested and shot down, but I really dont' see the problem with it if they are giving S&D three hours each week to talk. Why not an hour on sports talk under the SD umbrella? Call it special delivery sports or something.

[DH 215]

Can we have some unity, please?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Can we have some unity, please?

http://blog.rehabstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/unity1.jpg

[TjM]

This. When dave had his one-shot sports show and it blew up because of the phones dying, this is what he should have done:

S&D gets a three hour window to do their show. If Dave wants to focus on perhaps branching out into sports radio, then how about Special Delivery becomes 2 hours and he gets 1 hour to do sports in that window and work on his show. Then Sam could do one hour to do wrestling talk or something the next week. That's fair, and that falls within the demographics of the Virus.

Of course, I'm not the PD of the virus, so perhaps this idea was suggested and shot down, but I really dont' see the problem with it if they are giving S&D three hours each week to talk. Why not an hour on sports talk under the SD umbrella? Call it special delivery sports or something.

He should get some help. He know enough people he could "stage" some calls. It's only a demos. No one hasto know

[Tenbatsuzen]

He should get some help. He know enough people he could "stage" some calls. It's only a demos. No one hasto know

Or at the very worst, make a podcast. That immediately takes the truckers out of the picture.

[DH 215]

Or at the very worst, make a podcast. That immediately takes the truckers out of the picture.

Why? I am sure truckers need things to do besides driving and murdering hookers at rest stops.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why? I am sure truckers need things to do besides driving and murdering hookers at rest stops.

catching the flu from girls on craigslist?






(yes, I know, fifth time today)

[paulisded]

Or at the very worst, make a podcast. That immediately takes the truckers out of the picture.

Or just block Lady Trucker's phone. And while we're at it, let me compile a list of other regular moronic callers.

[Melk]

So, I listened to Monday's Dave blowup. Dave was out of line. Fez was joking about leaving Sheepy with a sickly Stan and made a comment about Dave refusing to accept money for daycare. I think the comment was fair. Dave let it escalate. Fez made the $2,000 offer on air because he thought that Dave's fans would stop attacking him off the air if he made the offer on the air.

Last Friday, Ron commented that Dave was not good at production editing. Yesterday, Ron mentioned that Dave doesn't know who the bosses and doesn't know his value outside of phone callers and e-mailers comments. On top of this, he airs out his desparation and poverty on the air.

The Sirius/XM suits won't just hand him a pay raise because he is pathetic. Dave needs to take some time to learn production, learn the who the suits are and learn who his audience could be outside of the platform.

[TripleSkeet]

The Sirius/XM suits won't just hand him a pay raise because he is pathetic. Dave needs to take some time to learn production, learn the who the suits are and learn who his audience could be outside of the platform.

They shouldnt. They should give him one because he now does his job, half of Earls job, and half of Fezs job. Pepper should also get a raise for doing the other half of Earls job. So many people willing to just leave out the fact that another paid employee left, never was replaced, yet the money they were paying him doesnt go to the guys doing his job. Typical corporate fuckjob move.

[Crispy123]

Look I love and hate Dave. (I wake up on Monday and I hate him then on Wednesday I want to kidnap him and go barhopping around Boston) He needs to somehow line up sponsers so Sirus can see he's bringing in money. Or he needs to ditch Sam and go strcctly sports (Sports radio is basically all thats left in radio) Maybe he could even script it and stage callers for a sports show ofr his DEMO tape

I disagree on the ditching Sam. From what I understand, Ron is respected in the radio world but O&A backing you up is worth its weight in gold. Plus Sam taps into the "sports entertainment" community and that would be a great angle to have on a sports show.

[Melk]

They shouldnt. They should give him one because he now does his job, half of Earls job, and half of Fezs job. Pepper should also get a raise for doing the other half of Earls job. So many people willing to just leave out the fact that another paid employee left, never was replaced, yet the money they were paying him doesnt go to the guys doing his job. Typical corporate fuckjob move.
He accepted the situation.
He told them that he is suffering and then followed it up with "I'd settle for gas and toll money." Smooth move, poker face.

[TripleSkeet]

He accepted the situation.
He told them that he is suffering and then followed it up with "I'd settle for gas and toll money." Smooth move, poker face.

He did what miullions of people are doing right now. Taking whatever he can get. And like those millions of people, hes not liking it, and shouldnt have to. But he shouldnt be criticized. They have all the leverage.

[underdog]

Explain how I was being a hypocritical douchebag? Because the very suggestion of abortion was brought up and I'm defending people I'm friendly with and have a unique perspective on (RADIO CARD! BEEP BEEP! HI OH!) that I'm being a hypocrite?

Even when I was destroying MLC and Frenchy, I never once picked on her kid. When Chris and his new girl had a baby, I never said word one. I don't believe kids should be drawn into flame wars.

I really just wanted to call you a douchebag.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I really just wanted to call you a douchebag.

Well, aren't you clever.

[Caseyelan]

You guys know more about my life then I do.

[Jughead]

You guys know more about my life then I do.

I just had smores with my neighbors..Hi Casey!!!:bye:

[Melk]

He did what miullions of people are doing right now. Taking whatever he can get. And like those millions of people, hes not liking it, and shouldnt have to. But he shouldnt be criticized.
He threated management without any leverage or understanding of his value with the company.

Remember when Jackie Martling threatened management when he was with the Howard Stern Show? He was certifiably valuable to the show and loved by the fans. He did his homework and made a specific assumption about his value to the show and proposed a pay increase to the management of CBS. CBS showed him the door.

Dave is saying, "Pay me more" to his bosses (well, not really his bosses he has no idea who to have the fans bother) and not giving them reason enough to give him a raise other than "my financial situation is terrible" and "I want more money."

[Melk]

You guys know more about my life then I do.
I only know what Ron, Fez and Dave say on the air.
I couldn't tell you if that is your life or a fictional representation Ron, Fez and Dave present.

[Fillmore Slim]

You guys know more about my life then I do.



Well, that's because it's being broadcasted to all of North America. Maybe you guys would be better off if it was left off air. Makes for an entertaining listen though.

[opie's twisted balls]

Why? I hate how people will talk all day about decisions people make but try to tell them about their kids and "It's really none of your business." Why? Because 2 people fuck you can't tell them they made bad decisions? Dave was complaining about money after 1 kid.

I know there's not much that can be done about it now and I personally thing Dave and Casey probably love their kids a lot and will do the best they can for them. But they're going to have to accept that they're gonna be in the hole for awhile now unless something changes with Dave's income.

And there's no shame in the family and friends helping out. Hell, my parents were way poorer than Dave and Casey are now. Only reason I'm alive is because my father worked 3 jobs at some points, my mother worked part time and they both were given a lot of hand outs from family members and close family friends, most notably my mother's parents.

Lastly, I think it's important to keep in mind that this is the stuff we're told on air, who knows what the actual truth is.
I think I love you.


You guys know more about my life then I do.
Don't want it talked about, reign in the redhead.


And tenbatsuzen you really are a sanctimonious twat.

[Caseyelan]

Don't want it talked about, reign in the redhead.




I don't think I will "reign in the redhead".

[underdog]

I don't think I will "reign in the redhead".

Your daughter really is out of control.

[Serpico1103]

I think I love you.
Don't want it talked about, rein in the redhead.


Leave the kids out of this.

(got there second, Damn.)

[hammersavage]

Your daughter really is out of control.

i mean, who sits in a toilet

[underdog]

i mean, who sits in a toilet

Cats.

[TripleSkeet]

He threated management without any leverage or understanding of his value with the company.

Remember when Jackie Martling threatened management when he was with the Howard Stern Show? He was certifiably valuable to the show and loved by the fans. He did his homework and made a specific assumption about his value to the show and proposed a pay increase to the management of CBS. CBS showed him the door.

Dave is saying, "Pay me more" to his bosses (well, not really his bosses he has no idea who to have the fans bother) and not giving them reason enough to give him a raise other than "my financial situation is terrible" and "I want more money."

I missed this "threat". Sounded to me like he was bitching about being underpaid. Something I dont have a problem with and dont see why anyone else should either.

And Im pretty sure I said 3 times the reason he deserved more money and it wasnt those 2 reasons. Its because hes doing alot more work then he was fucking hired for. Its something corporations love to do.

They hire 5 people to do specific jobs. Then in order to save money they will fire 1 or 2, tell the other 3 to pick up their slack, and then not pay them anything extra to do it. Ive seen it happen in plenty of jobs especially in the last couple of years. Its bullshit and it shouldne have to be put up with but like I said, they have all the leverage, especially now, so there isnt much he can do. I think he gets that. I just dont get why people here think he should be fucking happy about it.

[Melk]

I missed this "threat".

And Im pretty sure I said 3 times the reason he deserved more money and it wasnt those 2 reasons. Its because hes doing alot more work then he was fucking hired for. Its something corporations love to do.
Pay me or I stop doing the Saturday night show is a threat.

If that is what he meant, then he should calm down and talk to management. He might have to do it several times.

He threatened to stop doing "Special Delivery" (a show management didn't ask him or Sam to do) if they don't pay him extra. That's what he did.

Dave doesn't even know who he is supposed to log his complaints with. He should begin his quest for more pay by talking calmly with him or her and preparing solid arguments for his case and, for the sake of the show, not trying to drag Fez down during those meetings. It could sound something like this:

"I used to do this, this and this before Earl left and now I do this, this and this."

He also, unfortunately, has to be prepared for them to say, "You're right. Let's hire another staff member." On one hand, he wouldn't get more money, but there would be less professional pressure for him to deal with.

To a certain extent, by framing his argument around "Special Delivery" he makes his compensation for the "Ron and Fez Show" sound acceptable. The management will probably say, "Prerecord the show Monday through Friday" or "Stop doing the show if it is so difficult for you."

XM wouldn't pay Kevin Smith for SModcast.

[UnknownPD]

Wow...it seems like Sam has been able to parlay this into something. Poor David

[Furtherman]

It's laughable how some can even imagine that they know what is best for some people. Just listen to the show. While they're living their lives, you should be living yours.

[UnknownPD]

The solution could be the show at night. Dave could wait tables during the lunch rush in the city, leave at 2:30, go do the show, and come home. Spends quality time in the morning with the family.

Just a thought.

My favorite part of this thread is the willingness of "failed radio career" to offer radio career advice.

[opie's twisted balls]

I don't think I will "reign in the redhead".

(got there second, Damn.)
I'm surrounded by a regular Algonquian Round Table

[Freitag]

My favorite part of this thread is the willingness of "failed radio career" to offer radio career advice.

How exactly is a career "failed" when I left by choice?

If I stayed in, I could see myself having the exact same problems Dave is having now.

[hydee]

It's laughable how some can even imagine that they know what is best for some people. Just listen to the show. While they're living their lives, you should be living yours.


I know you have some 22k odd posts but do you know what a fan forum is for. It's for people to discuss the show and currently this is the topic of the day. I know RF.net has blinders on regarding this but this is exactly how a fan forum is supposed to work.

This is a place for fans. Not just a place for friends of the show or people that are real life friends of the cast members. Go to any other fan forum on the net and you will see talk about pay raises, personal lives, who is dating who, and other topics. So please give the shock and awe bit a rest it's been played to death.

While they're living their lives, you should be living yours. This is precious.

[Hottub]

No, this is.

http://www.thevine.com.au/resources/imgdetail/precious-movie-review_161209112406.jpg

[Furtherman]

I know you have some 22k odd posts but do you know what a fan forum is for. It's for people to discuss the show and currently this is the topic of the day. I know RF.net has blinders on regarding this but this is exactly how a fan forum is supposed to work.

This is a place for fans. Not just a place for friends of the show or people that are real life friends of the cast members. Go to any other fan forum on the net and you will see talk about pay raises, personal lives, who is dating who, and other topics. So please give the shock and awe bit a rest it's been played to death.

While they're living their lives, you should be living yours. This is precious.

Shock and awe?

What is played to death is speculating on someone else's life. I can enjoy a show and not think once about what the cast should do with their lives. Don't think attributing it to "fandom" gives you the right to judge other's lives, especially real people.

[disneyspy]

i heard furtherman eats a whole family bucket of chicken in one sitting,BY HIMSELF!

[Furtherman]

i heard furtherman eats a whole family bucket of chicken in one sitting,BY HIMSELF!

It's actually a family of chickens.

Ma, Pa and two little chicks. YUM.

[hurlmon]

Shock and awe?

What is played to death is speculating on someone else's life. I can enjoy a show and not think once about what the cast should do with their lives. Don't think attributing it to "fandom" gives you the right to judge other's lives, especially real people.

Is the board to talk about what is brought up on the show or for fans of the show to talk about other things just because we have teh show in common? Why can't we speculate or judge? Yeah it may be about the lives of others, but the lives in question have been used as subject matter and fodder on a national radio show. And as it has been mentioned before, they are just opinions. If it shouldn't be discussed then why is it on the air?

R&F as well as O&A have said things in the past just for the reason to "Let the speculation begin"

Hell, for all we know Dave is rolling is money, Fez is a therapist on the side and it's all a work they do to make the listener feel better about themselves.

[sailor]

Multi-national.

[Furtherman]

R&F as well as O&A have said things in the past just for the reason to "Let the speculation begin"

That's always been for the show, not for the personal matters that have been discussed in this thread.

[hurlmon]

That's always been for the show, not for the personal matters that have been discussed in this thread.

and the personal matters discussed are not part of the show? Wouldn't making them a part of a national radio show kinda take a way the personal aspect of them?

I do have to say this made me laugh...
It's laughable how some can even imagine that they know what is best for some people. Just listen to the show. While they're living their lives, you should be living yours.

You say this as you are telling us is best not to speculate about the show. I guess you think that would be best for us?

[Furtherman]

and the personal matters discussed are not part of the show? Wouldn't making them a part of a national radio show kinda take a way the personal aspect of them?

I do have to say this made me laugh...


You say this as you are telling us is best not to speculate about the show. I guess you think that would be best for us?

I'm not saying you can't do it (the thread is still open), I'm saying that it's funny that you are, because when you start proclaiming that you know what is best for someone else's family, it's funny. It's funny because you can't possibly know anything about it.

[ozzie]

Don't want it talked about, reign in the redhead.

You reign in your redhead!


<--- student at the Davey Mac school of snappy comebacks.


And I think you mean Rein.

[hurlmon]

I'm not saying you can't do it (the thread is still open), I'm saying that it's funny that you are, because when you start proclaiming that you know what is best for someone else's family, it's funny. It's funny because you can't possibly know anything about it.

Seems people are more making suggestions or relating to there own experiences as opposed to proclaiming what is best for Dave and his family. And everyone can know something about it since it is part of a national radio show and many have been is similar situation.

Is what we "know" real... who knows, but i think that it generates discussion shows people are listening and may feel a connection to a topic like this because odds are they have been or know someone in a similar financial situation.

[Furtherman]

There is a difference of offering advice and being a dick, and those who are being dicks, know it.

[hurlmon]

There is a difference of offering advice and being a dick, and those who are being dicks, know it.

true

[sailor]

Multi-

[spoon]

Multi-

Washington

[ShowerBench]

Shock and awe?

What is played to death is speculating on someone else's life. I can enjoy a show and not think once about what the cast should do with their lives. Don't think attributing it to "fandom" gives you the right to judge other's lives, especially real people.

This kind of admonition rarely if ever occurs when it's Fez's life being judged/speculated on here.

Nor should it, if it is a topic of the Ron and Fez show and the website at which it is discussed is "ronfez.net."

[Melk]

This kind of admonition rarely if ever occurs when it's Fez's life being judged/speculated on here.
This is why I can understand Fez's paranoia. I don't think Dave and Casey are responsible for the people who persistently create new aliases to mock and harass Fez, but I can see how Fez would do jump to this conclusion.

[Tenbatsuzen]

There is a difference of offering advice and being a dick, and those who are being dicks, know it.

http://www.underground.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/fmraiseitupbeard.JPG

[oPant]

Several years ago I worked at a fairly large company and our CEO was in his mid-80's. He went to his long time doctor in Atlanta who was concerned about his patient's sugar level etc.

His doctor asked,"Roy, how much liquor do you drink?"

Roy: "What do you mean?"

Doctor: "Like do you drink a half pint or a pint each day?"

Roy: "Hell, doc, I spill that much!"

Now, Dave keeps saying he only makes $2,000/month before taxes. Hell, I spill that much.

And he lives in New Jersey and works in Manhattan.? No way he can survive and no wonder he is so wired about it. What I think Fez keeps trying to tell Dave is that Dave has got to have two incomes at least.

I wish Dave the best because he's really behind the 8 ball.

Thats awful for NYC. $500 a week a little over $10 an hour. Sirius is incredibly cheap.

[oPant]

Is Eminem still contracted for 4 hours a year? He probably gets paid 3 times Daves yearly salary for those 4 fucking hours.

Dave makes around 25K a year . Three times is 75K. I bet Eminem gets Millions or t least one million for just being a part of the channel.

[oPant]

Who the hell rides the bus two hours each way to work for what he could essentially make working full time at a Staples or a store of similar ilk (if what he claims he makes is accurate)??


Because being on a radio show is fun and working at Staples is hell. I don't listen to the show much because last time I did Fez wasn't much a part of it. If that was Dave and Ron doing the show, then Dave deserves at least half of what Ron makes. The problem is that Sirius does not care about the Ron and Fez show. They need to go somewhere that they are wanted. They got no where else to go.

[oPant]

Well who ever got more money at their job just because they want it?

Howard Stern.

[oPant]

He's not that famous enough, and XM doesn't have the advertising model for talent to do local appearances like Gary, Stuttering John, etc. could do on the Stern show back in the day.

That stupid Captain Janks guy from Howard's show used to do appearances, until he forced the clubs to prepay him promising mention on the air which never came up, and he bailed on the shows with a prescription pills problem and almost went to jail for a long time.

[danlaroe]

wow. worst thread ever. a fan site shouldnt have such drawn out discussions over the people on the show and their personal lives. 200 plus posts. get a life people

[oPant]

He threated management without any leverage or understanding of his value with the company.

Remember when Jackie Martling threatened management when he was with the Howard Stern Show? He was certifiably valuable to the show and loved by the fans. He did his homework and made a specific assumption about his value to the show and proposed a pay increase to the management of CBS. CBS showed him the door.

Dave is saying, "Pay me more" to his bosses (well, not really his bosses he has no idea who to have the fans bother) and not giving them reason enough to give him a raise other than "my financial situation is terrible" and "I want more money."

Jackie was stupid because he had a straight flush and tried for a Royal Flush and crapped out.

Dave argument should be that he is on air talent, I need more money and I will walk if I don't get it. He can ask, if he doesn't get it he can still stay, or he will get a raise.

[Penelope]

wow. worst thread ever. a fan site shouldnt have such drawn out discussions over the people on the show and their personal lives. 200 plus posts. get a life people

I like that so many people are writing long essays on the topic, and fighting. It's given me something light to read this afternoon, and it's a nice break from the threads with political bickering.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That stupid Captain Janks guy from Howard's show used to do appearances, until he forced the clubs to prepay him promising mention on the air which never came up, and he bailed on the shows with a prescription pills problem and almost went to jail for a long time.

Wasn't Janks doing appearances when they were on K-Rock still?

[oPant]

Wasn't Janks doing appearances when they were on K-Rock still?

Possibly, but I don't know. This whole scandal happened this year.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Possibly, but I don't know. This whole scandal happened this year.

I hate to say it though, Janks is still more famous than Dave. Dave is internet famous, but he's still on a mid-day show that has, at most, 1/10th of Howard's listeners, and Janks was part of Howard's peak period.

[oPant]

Dave is a moron to do volunteer work on Saturday night for XM. At least have them pay your expenses.

First of all he is 2nd mike on that show. I think Fez leaves and takes a break for half an hour at a time.

If Ron and Fez back him up he should go in and ask for a raise.

[DJEvelEd]

As bad as some people think Dave is, he should at least be paid as much as M fucking M.
M&M is not a radio personality! Im sure all M&M does is play hip hop between all the "Knowamsayins?" and "yo yo yo's"
I dont hear about M&M shoving stuff in his ass either.

[oPant]

All he has to do is say he doesn't feel like going on the air as 2nd mike and let Ron talk into the mike by himself or talk to callers.

Dave sounds like he has similar difficulties as Bobo from the O&A show, he kind of sounds like him too.

[Hottub]

Dave has some form of retardation or clinical stupidity.

Uncalled for. Keep it civil, if you please.
Opinions are one thing, bashing is downright rude!

This thread has bothered me from the very beginning. Posts like this just give me more reason to shut it down.

[Serpico1103]

How exactly is a career "failed" when I left by choice?

If I stayed in, I could see myself having the exact same problems Dave is having now.

Same problems as ESD?
So, "failing radio career" would be better?
Or did you leave because you were tired of your success and needed a challenge?

[Melk]

All he has to do is say he doesn't feel like going on the air as 2nd mike and let Ron talk into the mike by himself or talk to callers.

Dave has some form of retardation or clinical stupidity.
That is a good idea. Dime out Fez. He wouldn't have gotten the mic time that got him to this point if Fez weren't suffering from the problems he currently has.

[oPant]

That is a good idea. Dime out Fez. He wouldn't have gotten the mic time that got him to this point if Fez weren't suffering from the problems he currently has.

If Fez can't do his job he shouldn't be there. Go on disability if you have to, I like him, but he has to shape up or ship out. Ron is part of the problem he is very dismissive towards almost everything that Fez says. Dave doesn't understand his value to the show or how to capitalize on it.

[Melk]

Ron is part of the problem he is very dismissive towards almost everything that Fez says.
Fez: I wonder what blind pornography is going to be like.
Ron: Hey Dave. What's on your mind?

Dave doesn't understand his value to the show or how to capitalize on it.
He has to figure it out. I believe Dave is capable of building something for himself in the entertainment industry.

I hope he doesn't try to cut Fez's throat to make it happen.

[TripleSkeet]

If Fez can't do his job he shouldn't be there. Go on disability if you have to, I like him, but he has to shape up or ship out. Ron is part of the problem he is very dismissive towards almost everything that Fez says. Dave doesn't understand his value to the show or how to capitalize on it.

I think thats because if it doesnt involve fags Fez just doesnt have a strong opinion on anything anymore. All he does is read a story, say if he agrees with it, then when Ron tries to point out the other side of the argument, he switches over and agrees with him. Ron needs someone to banter back and forth with. Thats basically what Dave does now.

And to compare Dave to Bobo is not just ridiculous its borderline retarded. The situations are nothing alike.

[Melk]

I think thats because if it doesnt involve fags Fez just doesnt have a strong opinion on anything anymore. All he does is read a story, say if he agrees with it, then when Ron tries to point out the other side of the argument, he switches over and agrees with him. Ron needs someone to banter back and forth with. Thats basically what Dave does now.
A lot of the topics Ron wants to talk about now involve sports and music. Fez has never enjoyed talking about any sport but football or has never showed any real interest in discussing music.

I think we all can agree that Fez has to try less and do more. I am surprised that Ron doesn't see the humor potential in Fez asking about porno for the blind.

[tanless1]

I suspect he's making closer to 42k. Still tough to survive.....let's not exagerate.

[tanless1]

...that'd put his take home close to $570/wk ?

[spoon]

I think he should buy me a pack of gummi bears dammit. That's all I know!

[tanless1]

...that's right, I think so too.