Dave finally told Fez what needed to be said.

[LordJezo]

Good job by Dave on finally exploding on Fez and talking about his self centered ways. Dave finally had enough and flipped out on how Fez is nothing but a depressed messed up person who does nothing for himself and lets no one help him.

Sadly none of it will matter and Fez wont change a thing but it's good to know that slowly people are getting fed up with Fez's extreme self loathing and obsession with only talking about himself.

Hopefully this is only the first of many people in Fez's life that will finally give up on him and make him see what a mess he has become. He's still funny but it's becoming more like looking at a train wreck every day, so terrible that you just can't look away.

Good job Dave for finally standing up for what is right.

[A.J.]

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/blazing-saddles-300.jpg

[mtbeedee]

Dave is a mess. On the business side he needs to work his show to show some value to make some more money or profiteer off of it or give up and do something else with more promise. When brought up and Ron was asking him about it, he obviously hadn't given any thought to what he actually wanted or how to get it.

On the personal side, it was a while ago but why doesn't he just take Fez's money and "pay" his wife to watch the kids? Then the kids are watched and she has a "job".

[Dougie Brootal]

i hate to agree with jezo, but...









Dave is a mess. On the business side he needs to work his show to show some value to make some more money or profiteer off of it or give up and do something else with more promise. When brought up and Ron was asking him about it, he obviously hadn't given any thought to what he actually wanted or how to get it.

On the personal side, it was a while ago but why doesn't he just take Fez's money and "pay" his wife to watch the kids? Then the kids are watched and she has a "job".

hi fez.:bye:

[WampusCrandle]

looks like i'm gonna have to wait until Audible, but damn I want to hear it now!!!

[instrument]

Because the point was for her to get a job to have a second income.

I don't expect fez to ever change, having two heartattacks is usually enough for most.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am very happy for ESD saying what Ronnie hints at all the time.
Its all about Fez Gay issues and elevators.
Fez circa 2001 was such a funny radio personality..and now is just a crotchy old woman

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dave is a mess. On the business side he needs to work his show to show some value to make some more money or profiteer off of it or give up and do something else with more promise. When brought up and Ron was asking him about it, he obviously hadn't given any thought to what he actually wanted or how to get it.

On the personal side, it was a while ago but why doesn't he just take Fez's money and "pay" his wife to watch the kids? Then the kids are watched and she has a "job".

This isn't about Dave's issues. This is about Fez's issues. No matter what shit is happening in Dave's personal life, he brings entertainment and value to the show.

Fez does not, and he has nothing to be depressed about except for his sexuality, when he doesn't realize that most people will accept him if he comes out.

[foodcourtdruide]

This isn't about Dave's issues. This is about Fez's issues. No matter what shit is happening in Dave's personal life, he brings entertainment and value to the show.

Fez does not, and he has nothing to be depressed about except for his sexuality, when he doesn't realize that most people will accept him if he comes out.

This isn't a fair statement. We shouldn't decide what people should or shouldn't be depressed about and we don't know if there are things going on in Fez's life that he doesn't bring to the show.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This isn't a fair statement. We shouldn't decide what people should or shouldn't be depressed about and we don't know if there are things going on in Fez's life that he doesn't bring to the show.

Fez has social anxiety stemming from his secret. Fez has a lot of issues all tying into the secret. He doesn't have a wife and family to worry about, he's financially set for life, the only thing Fez does is work, and then he goes to his apartment.

I don't think his therapist is helping him, or at the very worst, he is getting bad advice from his therapist.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I should rephrase:

Fez going to shit stemmed from a few things:

1) The stress from Sex for Sam and then going to No. Virginia

2) His grandmother getting sick

3) His grandmother passing.

4) Realizing he was gay and wrestling with that.

Those were the major things that tied into his decline. Fez's "issues" started popping up in NOVA, when he freaked on a listener for taking his picture while he wasn't looking.

[mtbeedee]

Because the point was for her to get a job to have a second income.


The "second income" would be the 2 grand a month that Fez gave her. Apparently that's as much as Dave makes. That would double the family income.

[instrument]

fez's issues would be horrible and understandable if he were 17.

[Tenbatsuzen]

fez's issues would be horrible and understandable if he were 17.

Fez believes he's a special and beautiful snowflake, and no one can understand what it's like being a thousandaire with a secret

[foodcourtdruide]

Fez has social anxiety stemming from his secret. Fez has a lot of issues all tying into the secret. He doesn't have a wife and family to worry about, he's financially set for life, the only thing Fez does is work, and then he goes to his apartment.

I don't think his therapist is helping him, or at the very worst, he is getting bad advice from his therapist.

You may have more insight into his life than I do, but people are stressed out about other things than wife/family/finances. Fez has serious fears in his life, which must be mentally exhausting. Stress/depression/etc. are all relative. His issues are real to him, and that's all that matters for them to affect his life.

I do agree with you though that his therapy is not working. He's steadily been getting worse. My jaw dropped at his nail collection. It's the first time I saw him going beyond personality issue, into major pathology.

[yojimbo7248]

I should rephrase:

Fez going to shit stemmed from a few things:

1) The stress from Sex for Sam and then going to No. Virginia

2) His grandmother getting sick

3) His grandmother passing.

4) Realizing he was gay and wrestling with that.

Those were the major things that tied into his decline. Fez's "issues" started popping up in NOVA, when he freaked on a listener for taking his picture while he wasn't looking.

What was Sex for Sam?

Heartbreak from Rory should also be on the list

[foodcourtdruide]

What was Sex for Sam?
Heartbreak from Rory should also be on the list

The promotion that got O&A kicked off WNEW.

[yojimbo7248]

The promotion that got O&A kicked off WNEW.

Thanks, FCD

[UnknownPD]

I should rephrase:

Fez going to shit stemmed from a few things:

1) The stress from Sex for Sam and then going to No. Virginia

2) His grandmother getting sick

3) His grandmother passing.

4) Realizing he was gay and wrestling with that.

Those were the major things that tied into his decline. Fez's "issues" started popping up in NOVA, when he freaked on a listener for taking his picture while he wasn't looking.

Apparently Fez should dump his therapist and start seeing you

[WampusCrandle]

The promotion that got O&A kicked off WNEW.

i'm sorry, but why would this be stressing fez out today? that was a long time ago.

[hydee]

Fez has social anxiety stemming from his secret. Fez has a lot of issues all tying into the secret. He doesn't have a wife and family to worry about, he's financially set for life, the only thing Fez does is work, and then he goes to his apartment.

I don't think his therapist is helping him, or at the very worst, he is getting bad advice from his therapist.

I have been thinking about this a lot and I think Fez will never come out because he, isn't willing to do the work. I know that is mean but it's sort of true.

Fez brings up gay issues on the show for selfish reasons. It's not because he is part of the community and is trying to raise awareness of the issues. I think he brings them up because he is hoping that someone will come along with a big gay magic wand and make the world safe so he can come out to a world that is ready to accept him and that isn't going to happen.

That is why pride and bravery are all apart of coming out. You have to be brave because there are a lot of people out there that aren't willing to accept you but you have to live your life for you and be who you are while being proud of yourself when you do it. I honestly don't think Fez is capable of feeling either emotion for himself.

I know kids that were as young as 11 years old that have come out and those are amazingly brave kids. I don't understand why Fez is to afraid to take this step.

[foodcourtdruide]

i'm sorry, but why would this be stressing fez out today? that was a long time ago.

No idea. Just answering yo's question.

[yojimbo7248]

I have been thinking about this a lot and I think Fez will never come out because he, isn't willing to do the work. I know that is mean but it's sort of true.

Fez brings up gay issues on the show for selfish reasons. It's not because he is part of the community and is trying to raise awareness of the issues. I think he brings them up because he is hoping that someone will come along with a big gay magic wand and make the world safe so he can come out to a world that is ready to accept him and that isn't going to happen.

That is why pride and bravery are all apart of coming out. You have to be brave because there are a lot of people out there that aren't willing to accept you but you have to live your life for you and be who you are while being proud of yourself when you do it. I honestly don't think Fez is capable of feeling either emotion for himself.

I know kids that were as young as 11 years old that have come out and those are amazingly brave kids. I don't understand why Fez is to afraid to take this step.

I think Fez thought that his problems all came from being a closeted gay guy and they would all disappear if he came out. He seems to be realizing his mental issues run deeper than that.

[foodcourtdruide]

I should rephrase:

Fez going to shit stemmed from a few things:

1) The stress from Sex for Sam and then going to No. Virginia

2) His grandmother getting sick

3) His grandmother passing.

4) Realizing he was gay and wrestling with that.

Those were the major things that tied into his decline. Fez's "issues" started popping up in NOVA, when he freaked on a listener for taking his picture while he wasn't looking.

I'd include his relationships with Mikey D and Rory in this list.

[foodcourtdruide]

I think Fez thought that his problems all came from being a closeted gay guy and they would all disappear if he came out. He seems to be realizing his mental issues run deeper than that.

I don't know. I think he may not blame his mental issues on himself. I think he seeks out validation, almost as if he needs to be told he's acting incorrectly, rather than knowing it himself.

[Sloppy2nds]

Dave was wrong.

[WampusCrandle]

I have been thinking about this a lot and I think Fez will never come out because he, isn't willing to do the work. I know that is mean but it's sort of true.

Fez brings up gay issues on the show for selfish reasons. It's not because he is part of the community and is trying to raise awareness of the issues. I think he brings them up because he is hoping that someone will come along with a big gay magic wand and make the world safe so he can come out to a world that is ready to accept him and that isn't going to happen.

That is why pride and bravery are all apart of coming out. You have to be brave because there are a lot of people out there that aren't willing to accept you but you have to live your life for you and be who you are while being proud of yourself when you do it. I honestly don't think Fez is capable of feeling either emotion for himself.

I know kids that were as young as 11 years old that have come out and those are amazingly brave kids. I don't understand why Fez is to afraid to take this step.

you know gay kids - GROSS!

just kidding. Honestly, he needs to just come out and be done with it. He doesn't seem to have the honesty and confidence, and possibly doesn't want to work, to say who he truly is. At any rate, I agree with you.


COME OUT, FEZ! NO ONE CARES THAT YOU MAY POSSIBLY BE GAY!

[strawberrypop]

I don't think Dave effectively articulated what was so offensive about Fezzy's offer. Basically, he needed to say unequivocally that Casey staying home with the kids is a decision that they made, together, on how to run their family. No one has any right to tell you a husband and wife how to run their home or raise their kids. Or how many kids to have or when to have them.

Fez and Dave are both self-destructive, but it plays out in nearly opposite ways. Dave acts impulsively and outwardly, whereas, for Fez, it's all internal and incessant.

I think it's very telling that Ron backed Dave up. It almost seems like a curtain has dropped over the past couple of days.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I think Ronnie is completely sick and tired of Fezzie and has told him millions of times..
The problem is:
1) Ronnie will not change he will not get rid of fez. i.e. put fez into production and bring Pepper Hicks in.
2) Fezzie will not change..he won't ever snap out of it..he won't change...he won't talk about anything other then his own pysch issues
3) we are stuck as fans...

We love the show...We listen and love ...but it breaks my heart the show is on a decline because of 1 and 2 above.

[KingGeno]

It's like one retard telling another retard how to resolve his/her retardation.

No really.

[DOHO@HOME]

Dave's best fuck you Fez is when he plays the sound bit of sixty minutes clock while Fez just rants about nothing.
That is a great fuck you Fez!
There was desrespect from ESD on Fezzie's own show it will happen and that old queen will not do shit.:clap:

[danner1515]

The part of yesterday's show that really made me wince is when Ron begged Fez to not do anymore crazy talk for the day, and then Fez went right into another gay news story. The sad thing is I knew it was going to be gay-related before he even got to it.

[ScottFromGA]

personally, I feel all this mental and Dave's personal life with his wife/kids doesn't need to be on air for entertainment.


might be a reason I haven't listened to the show in about 3 months.

[yojimbo7248]

The part of yesterday's show that really made me wince is when Ron begged Fez to not do anymore crazy talk for the day, and then Fez went right into another gay news story. The sad thing is I knew it was going to be gay-related before he even got to it.

but Ron knows this. When he says, "What's on your mind, big cat?", what else is Fez going to do but talk about gay stuff, celebs he hates, moving deer by train to Montana, some poor child who was spanked by a big bad adult, his hurt feelings about Dave not accepting his daycare support offer, panic attacks in elevators, or just simply cry. If Ron really didn't want crazy talk, he would continue talking to Dave.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'd include his relationships with Mikey D and Rory in this list.

The thing with Mikey D ties into his grandmother passing and his social phobias and his inability to grow as a person.

[foodcourtdruide]

but Ron knows this. When he says, "What's on your mind, big cat?", what else is Fez going to do but talk about gay stuff, celebs he hates, moving deer by train to Montana, some poor child who was spanked by a big bad adult, his hurt feelings about Dave not accepting his daycare support offer, panic attacks in elevators, or just simply cry. If Ron really didn't want crazy talk, he would continue talking to Dave.

This is an extremely odd statement, but I agree with it.

[boobieman]

I listened and either way it was interesting radio. But if I was fez, I would of shoved Dave's nose into the sign that says Ron and Fez....It is fez's show. Yes Dave does great radio, yes the show is mostly Ron, but It is Ron and Fez...I would of bitch slapped that ginger and made him realize. But again it was some very interesting and entertaining radio.

Fez maybe a emotional wreck, and just grunts and throw out non-sequential topics, but the reason I even listen to the show for all these years is for RON AND FEZ.

"Let me tell ya Something"


SSYEYAYYAASEEEEEE

[spainlinx0]

Fez will not get better because he isn't interested in that. He is interested in making everyone see the world through his crazy eyes. He wants his anxieties to be normal. Why else would he harp so much on how elevators scare him. He seems confused that people don't live with his fears, and almost wants everyone to be as fucked up as him. Stuff that he brings up on the air are there as a way for him to justify his own fucked up brain.

See why I won't come out, people hate gays.

See why I'm scared of the elevator, one out 10,000,000 malfunction.

See why I'm deathly afraid of flying, a plane went down.

He is willfully ignorant, and only hears what he wants to hear that is easy for him.

The doctor says to him, "Fez, you need to eat better, exercise, and take these pills so that you don't have another heart attack." What does Fez hear? "Fez, blah blah blah, take some pills."

If it's not a simple solution, pills, Fez doesn't want it. He said as much on the show when he said he hasn't found that "miracle pill" to make all his problems go away.

It doesn't fucking EXIST. Put some fucking work in instead of crying about the same shit to the same person for 5 years.

[TjM]

This isn't about Dave's issues. This is about Fez's issues. No matter what shit is happening in Dave's personal life, he brings entertainment and value to the show.

Fez does not, and he has nothing to be depressed about except for his sexuality, when he doesn't realize that most people will accept him if he comes out.

Look Dave is fucked too. Was Fez wrong at time in how he treated Dave? Abso-fucking-lutley! Yet Dave crossed a line too Yesterday. I miss the days when we loved everyone on Ron and Fez........Except Earl...He was the PERFECT heel.


I'm just pissed it's now ome down too you're either team ginger or team fag

[TjM]

And to be honest I relate to Dave allot (Ginger, Beer lover, GnR fan, burned by a 60 watt bulb, married out of my league) I just miss the days when people got along

[TjM]

And I still think Fez was sexually molested. He practectlysaid it today (Just want the house to be safe?)

[Death Metal Moe]

"Thank you for sayin' what needed to be SAID!!!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c6ImA-vA_8U/SYIWziifiBI/AAAAAAAAAB4/yDOaIRy4f-s/s320/Its-Still-Real-to-Me-Dammit.jpg

[yojimbo7248]

And to be honest I relate to Dave allot (Ginger, Beer lover, GnR fan, burned by a 60 watt bulb, married out of my league) I just miss the days when people got along

but I'm thinking that in a production meeting last summer, Ron and Fez decided that a Fez-Dave battle bit would be good entertainment. I think the team ginger/team fag divide is all part of the plan. It's all pro-wrestling...

[yojimbo7248]

and I think the Dave-Fez hate bit has been great radio. Look at how much message board talk it has generated. Every opinion of Fez's over the last year has been diametrically opposed to those of 97% of listeners - pro-gay, pro-Iran, pro-censorship, anti-hunting, anti-personal responsibility, pro-government intervention in parenting, etc. Fez has been playing the heel brilliantly. Hats off.

[StanUpshaw]

and I think the Dave-Fez hate bit has been great radio. Look at how much message board talk it has generated. Every opinion of Fez's over the last year has been diametrically opposed to those of 97% of listeners - pro-gay, pro-Iran, pro-censorship, anti-hunting, anti-personal responsibility, pro-government intervention in parenting, etc. Fez has been playing the heel brilliantly. Hats off.

No, he's been a pretty shitty heel, just going for the easy cheap heat. No one gets angry at the retarded things he says anymore, it all just gets ignored.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fez has been playing the heel brilliantly. Hats off.

http://fast1.onesite.com/fans.wwe.com/user/x-pac4life/xpac__european_champ.jpg

[WampusCrandle]

we need another Black Earl that everyone can hate TOGETHER. Like a family hating the one child that has the uni-brow or adopted.

[glowstikgorilla]

Hi I'm a new R&F listener - listened to O&A since beginning XM took a 2 year break and now I listen to both - So as a new listener to R&F all I know is the show as it is... after maybe a week or two its grown on me - Fez does seem very much removed and you can't help but ask yourself is Fez still there -

[sailor]

"Thank you for sayin' what needed to be SAID!!!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c6ImA-vA_8U/SYIWziifiBI/AAAAAAAAAB4/yDOaIRy4f-s/s320/Its-Still-Real-to-Me-Dammit.jpg

I thought that the entire thread.

[booster11373]

Dave was incredible disrespectful of Fez.

Comparing what Fez makes to Dave is pointless. Fez worked hard to get where he is even given his current problems its apples and oranges

[Melk]

Basically, he needed to say unequivocally that Casey staying home with the kids is a decision that they made, together, on how to run their family.Before the second pregnancy, Dave talked on-air about Casey getting a job. It was part of the motivation in moving back to Jersey; Beanie watches Juliana, Casey works.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Before the second pregnancy, Dave talked on-air about Casey getting a job. It was part of the motivation in moving back to Jersey; Beanie watches Juliana, Casey works.

Yeah, and that window was about 3 months before Casey got pregnant again.

[ScottFromGA]

"Thank you for sayin' what needed to be SAID!!!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c6ImA-vA_8U/SYIWziifiBI/AAAAAAAAAB4/yDOaIRy4f-s/s320/Its-Still-Real-to-Me-Dammit.jpg

I thought the same thing when I read this...


ITS STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!!

[Penelope]

I have not heard all of today's show yet, just started listening to it.
Fez has lost his mind. It happens to a lot of us. I'm functioning on a slightly better level than he is, and that makes me feel good about myself. I can always look at my life and say, At least I'm not collecting my toe nails. I need Fez! I need Dave too, to make me happy with his puppet movies. I love Dave and Fez. I need them both on my ipod. Maybe Dave's upcoming mental breakdown will give him more insight into what it feels like to to be batshit crazy Fez.

[yojimbo7248]

I have not heard all of today's show yet, just started listening to it.
Fez has lost his mind. It happens to a lot of us. I'm functioning on a slightly better level than he is, and that makes me feel good about myself. I can always look at my life and say, At least I'm not collecting my toe nails. I need Fez! I need Dave too, to make me happy with his puppet movies. I love Dave and Fez. I need them both on my ipod. Maybe Dave's upcoming mental breakdown will give him more insight into what it feels like to to be batshit crazy Fez.

I seriously doubt Fez collects his toenails. It was a great idea to made him look especially loony. I also saw a documentary about a British savant who sees people as numbers. I'm guessing Fez saw or someone saw this guy interviewed and came up with Fez seeing people as numbers idea. I know half the fun is believing this is real but I wouldn't lose too much sleep over Fez's mental state.

[Melk]

I can always look at my life and say, At least I'm not collecting my toe nails. I need Fez! I need Dave too, to make me happy with his puppet movies. I love Dave and Fez. I need them both on my ipod. Maybe Dave's upcoming mental breakdown will give him more insight into what it feels like to to be batshit crazy Fez.
The toe nail collection is a controllable, socially acceptable way for Fez to flaunt that he is different.

Dave and Fez are not that different from each other.

Fez is struggling through psychological problems that require him to work hard, take proper action in his best interest and make tough decisions which might take him out of his comfort zone.

Dave is struggling through professional and personal problems that require him to work hard, take proper action in his best interest and make tough decisions which might take him out of his comfort zone.

Neither Fez nor Dave are taking the right actions. Both of them are complaining about problems. Complaining is really just the realization of your problems. If you want to solve your problem you have to move beyond complaining and take action. This action could be leaving your home once in a while or leaving your job once and for all, but realizing you have a problem is just realizing you have a problem.

[Hottub]

Chris is wise.

[Caseyelan]

You guys LOVE my vagina.

[Kublakhan61]

You guys LOVE my vagina.

:clap: Lock It Up!

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

You guys LOVE my vagina.

You can say that as harshly as you want but I will NEVER be offended by such a statement.

[GameRelatedSig]

Hmm, what's this? Vagina what? I heard vagina...

[Melk]

You guys LOVE my vagina.
Ron might be right about you being the funny one.

[dommer]

Wow some of you sugarcoat. You act like Fez's problems are a temporary thing he's working on. At some point at your job you have to get shit done. If Jeter couldn't play shortstop anymore because of inexplicable, childlike sadness, they'd give him maybe a season to try to sort his shit out in the minors, and then he'd be washed up. Does Ron's loyalty know NO limit?

Fez hasn't contributed to the show in a meaningful way in 5 years. Just for a second ignore the fact that he's a self-involved douche who is not remotely funny now and wasn't as funny as some of you seem to remember him. The Ron and Fez show is primarily a show about movies, music, sports and current events. Fez cannnot speak intelligently on ANY of those topics. He cannot hold a conversation on any level about anything without diverting it to himself and his own uninteresting problems. He has no "secret". He's an unfuckable fag, which is a rare breed this side of an AIDS clinic.

Fez, I know what you need. Find another job and put us all out of our misery. Failing that, buy a gun and put yourself out of yours. You've ruined a great show for long enough.

[PapaBear]

and put us all out of our misery.
Who decided you are the spokesperson for everyone who listens to the show. Posts like this are why I average 0-2 replies in threads like this. It's fine if you want to speak your own opinion. But people like you need to stop fucking pretending everyone has the same opinion as you.

[dommer]

Who decided you are the spokesperson for everyone who listens to the show. Posts like this are why I average 0-2 replies in threads like this. It's fine if you want to speak your own opinion. But people like you need to stop fucking pretending everyone has the same opinion as you.

A thousand pardons for assuming that most are sick of Fez. I guess I was basing it on Dave's recent outburst, Ron's daily nasty comments about how Fez never listens to advice and constantly mentions craziness and faggotry. I'll admit I was also swayed by the overwhelming majority of callers that expressed similar opinions to mine. Maybe even the ribbing that Jay Mohr, Opie and Anthony have given him in the past have informed my viewpoint that I'm not alone in my annoyance.

I guess you're right afterall. Fez is delightful. I love it when he just starts blurting out an advertisement right in the middle of an interesting bit. His daily coverage of the the hardhitting stories such as a surly lesbian in Tulsa who couldn't get a good parking spot because of her sexual orientation keep my on the edge of my seat. Let me ask you, would I be speaking out of turn if I said the sky was blue or clouds are fluffy? I wouldn't want to failingly represent you.

[Melk]

Wow some of you sugarcoat.
I choose to discuss this show without calling people fags or insisting they commit suicide.

[keithy_19]

I choose to discuss this show without calling people fags or insisting they commit suicide.

Must be a Japanese thing:tongue:

[Melk]

Must be a Japanese thing:tongue:
Haa haa. Awesome.

Actually, I suppose if I were Japanese (and not just a resident) I would be insisting that all of the parties involved take responsibility for causing "The Ron and Fez Show" to lose face.

[spoon]

Apparently Fez should dump his therapist and start seeing you

Matty's board character is UnkownMD.

Seriously though Tenbats, you can't take the stand you did in the ESD thread and then be the exact opposite here. You all too often act as if you have the inside scoop, know the real issue at hand and answers only that person themselves could have or a trained professional...which you clearly are NOT. I understand it's a thread discussing the issues as we know them, but it's maddening to see you play both sides of the coin and judging where you see fit, while getting all pissed off when it's in the reverse.

Dommer, Papabear's point was solid and you went the opposite way in a mocking attempt to now say he thinks the complete opposite. If you have an opinion just fucking say it and stop acting as if you speak for everyone. Your vitriol in 2 of 3 posts in four years clearly shows your hate of Fez no, seemingly based on his possible sexual orientation alone. I say seemingly bc I don't know you at all, outside of your awful hate filled posts. My advice would be calm the fuck down and stop acting like a presumptuous ass filled with disdain for anyone who dares have an opinion that doesn't fall in line with yours.

[spoon]

You guys LOVE my vagina.

Sure do. It winked at me on facebook. Or was that a poke....heyyyyy wait a minute!

[Gerald]

I'm desperate to hear this. I heard the beginning and end of yesterday's show but missed the middle where it presumably took place. Need to get a visit from the rapidshare fairy.

[spoon]

Need to get a visit from the rapidshare fairy.


You actually want an std? Just go to Hottub's "sleepover".

[danner1515]

I listened and either way it was interesting radio. But if I was fez, I would of shoved Dave's nose into the sign that says Ron and Fez....It is fez's show. Yes Dave does great radio, yes the show is mostly Ron, but It is Ron and Fez...I would of bitch slapped that ginger and made him realize. But again it was some very interesting and entertaining radio.

Fez maybe a emotional wreck, and just grunts and throw out non-sequential topics, but the reason I even listen to the show for all these years is for RON AND FEZ.

"Let me tell ya Something"


SSYEYAYYAASEEEEEE
I might have agreed with this a year ago, but Fez is barely functional on the air these days. I seriously can't see how anyone who's listened to the show in the last six months could prefer Fez over Dave.

[boobieman]

I might have agreed with this a year ago, but Fez is barely functional on the air these days. I seriously can't see how anyone who's listened to the show in the last six months could prefer Fez over Dave.

To a new listener, maybe you are right, but nothing against Dave, but I would not be so into the show if it was not Ron and Fez. Ron is the funniest person period, but again I love the Ron and Fez show.

Either way what the hell do I know..it's 6:30 am I am at work and I clean shit....why would anyone listen to me.


SSSEYAAAAAAAAYAA

[UnknownPD]

Matty's board character is UnkownMD.

Seriously though Tenbats, you can't take the stand you did in the ESD thread and then be the exact opposite here. You all too often act as if you have the inside scoop, know the real issue at hand and answers only that person themselves could have or a trained professional...which you clearly are NOT. I understand it's a thread discussing the issues as we know them, but it's maddening to see you play both sides of the coin and judging where you see fit, while getting all pissed off when it's in the reverse.

Dommer, Papabear's point was solid and you went the opposite way in a mocking attempt to now say he thinks the complete opposite. If you have an opinion just fucking say it and stop acting as if you speak for everyone. Your vitriol in 2 of 3 posts in four years clearly shows your hate of Fez no, seemingly based on his possible sexual orientation alone. I say seemingly bc I don't know you at all, outside of your awful hate filled posts. My advice would be calm the fuck down and stop acting like a presumptuous ass filled with disdain for anyone who dares have an opinion that doesn't fall in line with yours.

I think of him as the Unknown Rupert Pupkin conducting mock radio shows in his basement remembering the dream

[Freitag]

1) I don't do board characters

2) Why are people bringing up my radio career? I get yelled at when I do it, so I don't, and then people still bring it up.

[Serpico1103]

1) I don't do board characters

2) Why are people bringing up my radio career? I get yelled at when I do it, so I don't, and then people still bring it up.
Correct me if I am wrong?
You have more than one name on the board.
You brought up your "unique" perspective because of your radio "career."

[Freitag]

Correct me if I am wrong?
You have more than one name on the board.
You brought up your "unique" perspective because of your radio "career."

One is home, one is mobile. A character is someone doing some wacky gimmick.

And I did bring up my career, which led UPD to go after me, which is the exact kind of behavior which is making people leave this place.

And yes, I think I have a unique perspective, because to be honest, both the career and personal life path of Dave and I are incredibly similar. There was a divergence point.

[Serpico1103]

You could use the same name for both, no? Having multiple names seems manipulative.
You brought up your radio stint, don't think you can then complain about people commenting on it. I leave my battle with multiple std's off the board, so it would be inappropriate for someone to bring it up here.

[Freitag]

You could use the same name for both, no? Having multiple names seems manipulative.
You brought up your radio stint, don't think you can then complain about people commenting on it. I leave my battle with multiple std's off the board, so it would be inappropriate for someone to bring it up here.

It's just frustrating that I had an offer from one station and interest from another and I made a decision to stay in Jersey for Liz and our families. It was completely honorable, yet people act like I had this awful failure of a career where I couldn't hack it.

Liz is very close to her family and has let me know several times she's uncomfortable with moving far away from her father. So I sacrificed my career. You want to call that a failure, fine. But you couldn't be more wrong.

two name explanation: mobile skin doesn't work on my phoen so I turned off all pictures and stuff not to screw up my phone.

[UnknownPD]

It's just frustrating that I had an offer from one station and interest from another and I made a decision to stay in Jersey for Liz and our families. It was completely honorable, yet people act like I had this awful failure of a career where I couldn't hack it.

Liz is very close to her family and has let me know several times she's uncomfortable with moving far away from her father. So I sacrificed my career. You want to call that a failure, fine. But you couldn't be more wrong.

two name explanation: mobile skin doesn't work on my phoen so I turned off all pictures and stuff not to screw up my phone.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Let me introduce myself. My name is Rupert Pupkin. I was born in Clifton, New Jersey... which was not at that time a federal offense. Is there anyone here from Clifton? Oh, good.

[yojimbo7248]

hmmmm...the old argue with your own board character so people will never suspect. I know the trick well.

[Freitag]

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Let me introduce myself. My name is Rupert Pupkin. I was born in Clifton, New Jersey... which was not at that time a federal offense. Is there anyone here from Clifton? Oh, good.

So I gotta ask, what exactly do you do? I'm sure pressing the buttons for selector in Market 200 is oh so hard.

[Serpico1103]

It's just frustrating that I had an offer from one station and interest from another and I made a decision to stay in Jersey for Liz and our families. It was completely honorable, yet people act like I had this awful failure of a career where I couldn't hack it.

Liz is very close to her family and has let me know several times she's uncomfortable with moving far away from her father. So I sacrificed my career. You want to call that a failure, fine. But you couldn't be more wrong.

two name explanation: mobile skin doesn't work on my phoen so I turned off all pictures and stuff not to screw up my phone.
I don't think your insight is very useful (personal opinion). Comparing terrestrial radio 10 yrs ago to today is almost useless. Comparing terrestrial radio to a satellite monopoly is less than useless. But, even if relevant, people can judge your career as they want, be secure in knowing your truth.
I have no trouble using my name at home and mobile (lose some features) so I assumed everyone could.

[Space Edge]

hmmmm...the old argue with your own board character so people will never suspect. I know the trick well.

Um yeah didn't you do that until someone blew up your spot

[yojimbo7248]

Um yeah didn't you do that until someone blew up your spot


Yeah, I sucked at board characters. Don't even know why I tried it in the first place.

[yojimbo7248]

Mikeyboy DM'd me, said my board character was sounding like a prick. He was absolutely right so I said that it was me and then killed off Toby Wong.

[TjM]

Poor Toby :glurps:

[yojimbo7248]

Poor Toby :glurps:

:lol:

There are a couple of board characters that crack me up. I like Compliment Guy, Angry Asian Guy, and JoeyBadAss.

[TjM]

:lol:

There are a couple of board characters that crack me up. I like Compliment Guy, Angry Asian Guy, and JoeyBadAss.

No love for Jezo?

[yojimbo7248]

Unfortunately, I think all the good board characters were Gvac. don't see him around here anymore

[yojimbo7248]

No love for Jezo?

To me, Jezo will always be real.

[oPant]

This isn't about Dave's issues. This is about Fez's issues. No matter what shit is happening in Dave's personal life, he brings entertainment and value to the show.

Fez does not, and he has nothing to be depressed about except for his sexuality, when he doesn't realize that most people will accept him if he comes out.

You don't think Fez is out? I haven't listened for a while but it's more than obvious that him not admitting he is gay on the show is a bit. Have they mentioned his GF in Niagara Falls, Ontario? :clap:

Does he really have to come out. I don't think Richard Simmons is out of the closet publicly either.

[yojimbo7248]

You don't think Fez is out? I haven't listened for a while but it's more than obvious that him not admitting he is gay on the show is a bit. Have they mentioned his GF in Niagara Falls, Ontario? :clap:

Does he really have to come out. I don't think Richard Simmons is out of the closet publicly either.

Liberace never came out

[UnknownPD]

Liberace never came out

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Liberace-Bobble-Head_D8B51A47.jpg

[UnknownPD]

So I gotta ask, what exactly do you do? I'm sure pressing the buttons for selector in Market 200 is oh so hard.

This wasn't an easy decision for me, Jerry, believe me. For one thing, I knew it meant we could never be friends again and that hurt me It's hard to lose a friend, even one who has let you down. You always hope you can patch things up. You know, a guy like me doesn't make friends that easily. Why didn't you just listen to the tape when I asked you? Then I wouldn't have to be doing all this. Was it really too much to expect -- a few minutes of your time to listen to something I'd worked on my whole life?

[oPant]

He has no "secret". He's an unfuckable fag, which is a rare breed this side of an AIDS clinic.

Fez, I know what you need. Find another job and put us all out of our misery. Failing that, buy a gun and put yourself out of yours. You've ruined a great show for long enough.

Wow I get reprimanded for suggesting that Dave is a bit of the R word.

[TjM]

Wow I get reprimanded for suggesting that Dave is a bit of the R word.

Because you made the mistake of insulting Dave. Fez is fair game here at RonDaverulebutFEZSUCKS.net/
It's sad that this site and the show has devolved into picking sides

[Melk]

Wow I get reprimanded for suggesting that Dave is a bit of the R word.
It is strange that the R-Word is off limits and yet this other guy can call Fez the worst thing you can call a man.(^_^)/~

[oPant]

It is strange that the R-Word is off limits and yet this other guy can call Fez the worst thing you can call a man.(^_^)/~

It was for insulting Dave, not specifically for the R word, I just didn't want to repost it and Dave in the same sentence.

But yeah, if a Mod saw what that guy posted about Fez and ignored it, that shows you what side people are on.

[disneyspy]

hmmmm...the old argue with your own board character so people will never suspect. I know the trick well.

serpico and frietag are the same person? my mind is blown

[Melk]

It was for insulting Dave, not specifically for the R word, I just didn't want to repost it and Dave in the same sentence.

But yeah, if a Mod saw what that guy posted about Fez and ignored it, that shows you what side people are on.
Yes and no.

Ron openly calls Dave "The Red-Headed Retard" but they are pals. I call my friends inflamatory names, but it is in good fun. If a person we doesn't know us started throwing the same insults at us, we'd be ready to fight him.

The "He's a crybaby faggot" type of comments directed at Fez are just as out-of-line as the venomous comments about Dave or his family.

I'll admit that this is not my message board. If the mods don't like what I am writing, they can delete my posts or lock the thread.

[disneyspy]

Yes and no.

Ron openly calls Dave "The Red-Headed Retard" but they are pals. I call my friends inflamatory names, but it is in good fun. If a person we doesn't know us started throwing the same insults at us, we'd be ready to fight him.

The "He's a crybaby faggot" type of comments directed at Fez are just as out-of-line as the venomous comments about Dave or his family.

I'll admit that this is not my message board. If the mods don't like what I am writing, they can delete my posts or lock the thread.

i think it was well said,good for you melk

[Dell]

Mikeyboy DM'd me, said my board character was sounding like a prick. He was absolutely right so I said that it was me and then killed off Toby Wong.

exact same thing happened to me...I was trying to "mix it up" at a time when I thought it was being encouraged (yes, alcohol was also involved) and I started posting like a middle school cyber bully...mikeyboy pointed it out and I outed myself and stopped posting under that board character...

[yojimbo7248]

exact same thing happened to me...I was trying to "mix it up" at a time when I thought it was being encouraged (yes, alcohol was also involved) and I started posting like a middle school cyber bully...mikeyboy pointed it out and I outed myself and stopped posting under that board character...

ha! alcohol involved with mine too. Mikeyboy was really cool about it. All it took was his DM, I realized he was right, and Toby Wong died an early death. Which board character were you?

[Dell]

ha! alcohol involved with mine too. Mikeyboy was really cool about it. All it took was his DM, I realized he was right, and Toby Wong died an early death. Which board character were you?

InternetJamesDean...:thumbdown:

[disneyspy]

ha! alcohol involved with mine too. Mikeyboy was really cool about it. All it took was his DM, I realized he was right, and Toby Wong died an early death. Which board character were you?

i wont give it awat but he was a scared dell

[yojimbo7248]

InternetJamesDean...:thumbdown:

ha! I've said it before, with there was a breathalyzer lock on my computer. Drunk posting here has never led to anything good.

[led37zep]

i'm sorry, but why would this be stressing fez out today? that was a long time ago.

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[underdog]

ha! I've said it before, with there was a breathalyzer lock on my computer. Drunk posting here has never led to anything good.

All I do is drunk post.

[weekapaugjz]

All I do is drunk post.

you do everything drunk.

[underdog]

you do everything drunk.

Like you don't.

And you are correct.

[Poochie]

you do everything drunk.

oh how i miss you.

[WampusCrandle]

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solid.

[Poochie]

solid.

I love you dearly.

[spazemunky]

the real issue is this.... Dave has a job where he gets paid in jelly beans. daves wife (from his own account) is too uneducated to get a job.... But he still decided to have some irish twins that he can't support. Now Dave is bitching to anyone that will listen that he doesn't get paid enough to support his family. if you can't support kids, DON'T HAVE KIDS.

and if you don't like talkin about your private issues on the air, don't bring them up.

[Chigworthy]

the real issue is this.... Dave has a job where he gets paid in jelly beans. daves wife (from his own account) is too uneducated to get a job.... But he still decided to have some irish twins that he can't support. Now Dave is bitching to anyone that will listen that he doesn't get paid enough to support his family. if you can't support kids, DON'T HAVE KIDS.

and if you don't like talkin about your private issues on the air, don't bring them up.

You've gotten to the bottom of this one. Case closed, lock it up. Oh wait, it wasn't about Dave's financial situation. Now that I think about it, you've failed miserably.

[sailor]

the real issue is this.... Dave has a job where he gets paid in jelly beans. daves wife (from his own account) is too uneducated to get a job.... But he still decided to have some irish twins that he can't support. Now Dave is bitching to anyone that will listen that he doesn't get paid enough to support his family. if you can't support kids, DON'T HAVE KIDS.

and if you don't like talkin about your private issues on the air, don't bring them up.

way to be a jerk.

[Death Metal Moe]

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Umm, you're a little late to the party. I posted this fat guy's pic pages ago.

When we start recycling jokes it's usually time to shut this shit down.

[jetdog]

this will be the only thing I add to this discussion...
Jim Norton is on OnA right now talking about Fez.

[jetdog]

Umm, you're a little late to the party. I posted this fat guy's pic pages ago.

When we start recycling jokes it's usually time to shut this shit down.

Nice do,
I'll have a donner kebab with yogurt sauce please...

[zildjian361]

Dave was incredible disrespectful of Fez.

Comparing what Fez makes to Dave is pointless. Fez worked hard to get where he is even given his current problems its apples and oranges

FEZZIE LOW:wub::smoke::drunk:

[oPant]

this will be the only thing I add to this discussion...
Jim Norton is on OnA right now talking about Fez.

On Saturday? :blink:

[spoon]

It was for insulting Dave, not specifically for the R word, I just didn't want to repost it and Dave in the same sentence.

But yeah, if a Mod saw what that guy posted about Fez and ignored it, that shows you what side people are on.

There are only 157 mods here, they can't be everywhere! :dry:

[oPant]

There are only 157 mods here, they can't be everywhere! :dry:

Exactly. You don't reprimand someone in a thread and then not go back to read the rest of it to see if the person responded. Selective ignoring.

[WampusCrandle]

Umm, you're a little late to the party. I posted this fat guy's pic pages ago.

When we start recycling jokes it's usually time to shut this shit down.

yeah, but you didn't post what we all needed to hear - the video. You're lazy with the internet.

[Death Metal Moe]

yeah, but you didn't post what we all needed to hear - the video. You're lazy with the internet.

If there's actually someone left on the internet who hasn't heard that, they can suck my lazy balls.

[samnyc]

It seems clear now that the reason Fez treats Dave the ways he does - insensitive to his problems one second, like a best friend the next - is that he wants him as his boy toy but can't have him and can't even share his feelings for Dave with him or anybody. Fez is a lover scorned.

The worse part for Fez is that Dave is married, so Fez is incredibly jealous of Casey. Fez has been trying to get Casey to work for a while now and he keeps bringing up that daycare offer. The reason is that Fez wants Dave to think Casey doesn't need to be around to raise the kids. Fez wants Dave to believe they could raise his kids well if they were together because of Fez's financial means. And of course since Fez and Dave work together and at the same time, the kids would have to go to daycare. This is Fez's dream.

[oPant]

It seems clear now that the reason Fez treats Dave the ways he does - insensitive to his problems one second, like a best friend the next - is that he wants him as his boy toy but can't have him and can't even share his feelings for Dave with him or anybody. Fez is a lover scorned.

The worse part for Fez is that Dave is married, so Fez is incredibly jealous of Casey. Fez has been trying to get Casey to work for a while now and he keeps bringing up that daycare offer. The reason is that Fez wants Dave to think Casey doesn't need to be around to raise the kids. Fez wants Dave to believe they could raise his kids well if they were together because of Fez's financial means. And of course since Fez and Dave work together and at the same time, the kids would have to go to daycare. This is Fez's dream.

Dreams can come true. :wacko:

[Penelope]

It seems clear now that the reason Fez treats Dave the ways he does - insensitive to his problems one second, like a best friend the next - is that he wants him as his boy toy but can't have him and can't even share his feelings for Dave with him or anybody. Fez is a lover scorned.

The worse part for Fez is that Dave is married, so Fez is incredibly jealous of Casey. Fez has been trying to get Casey to work for a while now and he keeps bringing up that daycare offer. The reason is that Fez wants Dave to think Casey doesn't need to be around to raise the kids. Fez wants Dave to believe they could raise his kids well if they were together because of Fez's financial means. And of course since Fez and Dave work together and at the same time, the kids would have to go to daycare. This is Fez's dream.

Great post! I had never considered this. This makes total sense now that I think about it.

[samnyc]

The more I think of it ... this could even be the secret. Fez is in love with Dave.

[Melk]

he wants him as his boy toy but can't have him and can't even share his feelings for Dave with him or anybody. Fez is a lover scorned.

The worse part for Fez is that Dave is married, so Fez is incredibly jealous of Casey. Fez has been trying to get Casey to work for a while now and he keeps bringing up that daycare offer. The reason is that Fez wants Dave to think Casey doesn't need to be around to raise the kids. Fez wants Dave to believe they could raise his kids well if they were together because of Fez's financial means. And of course since Fez and Dave work together and at the same time, the kids would have to go to daycare. This is Fez's dream.
Daycare was something Dave was discussing on air before the second pregnancy.

I am not buying into the sexual tension thing.

[Death Metal Moe]

While Fez has said in the past that he's had a thing for on air staff, I just don't feel that it's the case with Dave.

I think Fez and the other staff member were much closer, the staffer acting a lot like a personal assistant to Fez at times. Dave was never that close to Fez or at least I don't remember him being that close to him.

I just don't feel it or see it.

[Penelope]

While Fez has said in the past that he's had a thing for on air staff, I just don't feel that it's the case with Dave.

I think Fez and the other staff member were much closer, the staffer acting a lot like a personal assistant to Fez at times. Dave was never that close to Fez or at least I don't remember him being that close to him.

I just don't feel it or see it.

Yeah, but that person has been gone for several years now. It makes sense that Fez would have a new crush by now. Plus, I think the closest Fez has gotten to a sexual experience is with Dave. I am not ready to give up on the Fez in love with Dave theory yet.
I just hope Fez's fiancee in Canada doesn't find out, she will be pissed.

[StanUpshaw]

What about Dawn Cumia, Anthony's sister?

[Chigworthy]

What about Dawn Cumia, Anthony's sister?

Clever avatar, tired callback.

[underdog]

The more I think of it ... this could even be the secret. Fez is in love with Dave.

He hated Dave's ex-girlfriend, too. You may be onto something.

[Chigworthy]

Photo taken of Fez during Dave's tranny story:
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsB/29686-23777.gif

[hydee]

Yeah, but that person has been gone for several years now. It makes sense that Fez would have a new crush by now. Plus, I think the closest Fez has gotten to a sexual experience is with Dave. I am not ready to give up on the Fez in love with Dave theory yet.
I just hope Fez's fiancee in Canada doesn't find out, she will be pissed.

Fez is still in love with that guy. OMG he is crushed over him.

Also Fez is into twinks and find Robert Pattinson to be sexual napalm. Dave doesn't even come close, not in the freaking ball park of meeting any of the physical things that Fez is attracted too. Fez likes them young and pretty and well Dave isn't either.

[samnyc]

A couple of supporting pieces of information ...

1) Starting when David proposed to Casey Fez was upset. Ron said "Wow" and Fez said "Oh Ga"

2) Fez went through heartbreak when he had to leave Rory and then again when he moved back to NY and Rory wouldn't talk to him. Fez learned his lesson and is far more possessive of Dave, his new Rory.

[Chigworthy]

Fez is still in love with that guy. OMG he is crushed over him.

Also Fez is into twinks and find Robert Pattinson to be sexual napalm. Dave doesn't even come close, not in the freaking ball park of meeting any of the physical things that Fez is attracted too. Fez likes them young and pretty and well Dave isn't either.

Because men are only attracted to one specific type of person and would never pursue anything different.

[ecobag2]

The Ron show doesn't exactly sound right.

[spoon]

While Fez has said in the past that he's had a thing for on air staff, I just don't feel that it's the case with Dave.

I think Fez and the other staff member were much closer, the staffer acting a lot like a personal assistant to Fez at times. Dave was never that close to Fez or at least I don't remember him being that close to him.

I just don't feel it or see it.

They seemingly were pretty good buddies in terms of hanging to watch ND games and guy shit. I doubt the love story in a big way, yet he may be pissed he lost a friend in some sense. Just as we've all lost those good friends to the war known as having kids. Good friends still find ways to hang out like old times, especially if they don't let the wife rule them after they have kids.

I truly think we're getting WAY too into this. They aren't getting along of late, it's that simple. And is it that much of a surprise bc Fezzie does become the brunt of every joke on the show just about. He's left out there on any story or point he brings up to be the idiot or spaz. Yes some of it out there too, but the chemistry/true caring is seemingly gone with his relationship with Ron, and esd only follows his lead. If Ron didn't see it as ok, it simply wouldn't happen. Ron controls pretty much everything on this show and I think that's obvious.

[sailor]

fez pining over dave is the silliest thing i've read on here in days.

even without how silly it is at face value, doesn't dave know the secret?

[hanso]

If there's actually someone left on the internet who hasn't heard that, they can suck my lazy balls.

You may as well go all the way posting the video. Your not "Ambient Moe".


Dave finally told Fez what needed to be SAY-YAD
That wrestling is still real to Sam Roberts?

[Melk]

And is it that much of a surprise bc Fezzie does become the brunt of every joke on the show just about. He's left out there on any story or point he brings up to be the idiot or spaz. Yes some of it out there too, but the chemistry/true caring is seemingly gone with his relationship with Ron, and esd only follows his lead. If Ron didn't see it as ok, it simply wouldn't happen. Ron controls pretty much everything on this show and I think that's obvious.
Ron: What's on your mind, Fez?
Fez: Kate Gosling was proactively declined a spread in Playboy magazine.
Ron: Dave, do you have something sports or music-related to make Fez feel like shit for not being into?

[TjM]

Ron: What's on your mind, Fez?
Fez: Kate Gosling was proactively declined a spread in Playboy magazine.
Ron: Dave, do you have something sports or music-related to make Fez feel like shit for not being into?

BINGO! Even when Fez brings up a decent topic (Not saying that is one) Ron goes right back to movies and music (Two things he knows Fez knows nothing about)

[hydee]

Because men are only attracted to one specific type of person and would never pursue anything different.

I think I am sticking to my guns. When the gulf is so wide between what you are attracted to and then you have dave. I don't think it's possible for Fez to be in love with Dave. I think it's a rather stupid theory but that's what fan forums are for.

I have been in the Queer as Folk fandom for 9 years and I still think Gale loves Randy :)

[instrument]

imagine being a virgin and forced into intimate situations with a female co-worker....

fez's bets with dave have been the closest he's come to true intimacy with anyone... like it or not that has to have some affect on him.

[hanso]

Ron: What's on your mind, Fez?
Fez: Kate Gosling was proactively declined a spread in Playboy magazine.
Ron: Dave, do you have something sports or music-related to make Fez feel like shit for not being into?

BINGO! Even when Fez brings up a decent topic (Not saying that is one) Ron goes right back to movies and music (Two things he knows Fez knows nothing about)

They should have talked about Kate Gosling hooters at that point imo. Funny line by Ron though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ron: What's on your mind, Fez?
Fez: Kate Gosling was proactively declined a spread in Playboy magazine.
Ron: Dave, do you have something sports or music-related to make Fez feel like shit for not being into?

You know, that's a very good point. I've heard it happen a couple of times, where Fez brings up a non-gay pop culture topic and Ron doesn't follow up.

That could be because Ron doesn't want the show sounding like a wacky morning show where subjects like that are discussed ad nauseum. He wants a "hook" on the news.

[Death Metal Moe]

Just heard it on the replay:

Dave was really wrong to bring all that shit up and fly off the handle at Fez. What a show of disrespect.

Dave was all frustrated about his inability to negotiate his fucking radio show and then went after Fez.

What a fucking load.

[Rawkus]

First time poster, long time lurker on these boards. I've been listening to the show for the past 2 years and have gone back to listen to old shows as well. Lately when fez and dave are arguing i find myself screaming at the radio and i'm glad Dave finally had the balls to say something. And honestly, what does Fez expect someone to say when he constantly says "oh no he hates me i know it", the more he says it the more it becomes true.

Fez loves being the victim of whatever by whoever, as long as he is a victim he feels like he has an identity. He claims to be "working" on his issues but i really think "working" to him means thinking about it, crying, then not changing A THING.

Keep it up Dave, at least you're knowledgable on subjects that get brought up on the show.

[hydee]

Just heard it on the replay:

Dave was really wrong to bring all that shit up and fly off the handle at Fez. What a show of disrespect.

Dave was all frustrated about his inability to negotiate his fucking radio show and then went after Fez.

What a fucking load.

I agree.

Dave isn't doing the behind the scenes business work that needs to be done to get where he wants to go. It's not about showing up and talking on the air. It's about leg work and networking and proving your worth and it's sad that after 4 years he doesn't get that. Which makes you wonder if XM Sirius did give him the Saturday job with a pay raise if he would be able to handle that responsibly.

[Death Metal Moe]

I agree.

Dave isn't doing the behind the scenes business work that needs to be done to get where he wants to go. It's not about showing up and talking on the air. It's about leg work and networking and proving your worth and it's sad that after 4 years he doesn't get that. Which makes you wonder if XM Sirius did give him the Saturday job with a pay raise if he would be able to handle that responsibly.

Exactly. And just when he's all fucking pissy after Ron clued him into some of the fucking realities of Radio that he's been neglecting, he decides to get all loud and tough with Fez, taking his frustrations with his own mistakes on Fez.

What a dickbag. All of a sudden it's "Ron has done EVERYTHING for me in radio, Fez is a piece of shit who can't make the guys down the hall cover everything with their health care."

I was really shocked when I heard the audio, I hadn't had the chance to go download it to hear it. Not surprised really, this is how I always felt Dave was feeling about Fez even after he said he respected him. You don't fly off the handle like that at someone you really respect.

I'd love to see him go after Ron like that one day, see where that goes. But no one does that, they all pick on Fez because he's perceived as the weak one.

[Chigworthy]

Exactly. And just when he's all fucking pissy after Ron clued him into some of the fucking realities of Radio that he's been neglecting, he decides to get all loud and tough with Fez, taking his frustrations with his own mistakes on Fez.

What a dickbag. All of a sudden it's "Ron has done EVERYTHING for me in radio, Fez is a piece of shit who can't make the guys down the hall cover everything with their health care."

I was really shocked when I heard the audio, I hadn't had the chance to go download it to hear it. Not surprised really, this is how I always felt Dave was feeling about Fez even after he said he respected him. You don't fly off the handle like that at someone you really respect.

I'd love to see him go after Ron like that one day, see where that goes. But no one does that, they all pick on Fez because he's perceived as the weak one.

Don't you think Dave has a point about the whole daycare thing? Why did Fez bring it up when talking about Sheepy babysitting on a Friday night? Daycare has nothing to do with babysitting, and Dave politely declined Fez's offer when it first came up.

[samnyc]

I disagree with Moe's criticism of Dave over his role in the argument with Fez.

Dave was definitely frustrated with his show situation and other things. No doubt about that. In general Dave has done a better job of controlling his outbursts on air recently, but Fez saw Dave was in a state of major distress Monday and picked at the rawest issue between he and Dave - the daycare offer - knowing it would send Dave over the edge.

But I think Fez's strategy backfired on him. Dave's outburst was appropriate because of the amount of stuff he's going through and also because he doesn't complain this way every day and it was still entertaining to listen to. As Ron said before Dave is working through real adult problems, and as weird as Dave is they are things many listeners are able to actually associate with. Trying to support oneself and family on limited means. The effects of a long commute on family life. The frustration of being at the bottom rung at work in your early thirties and not being able to get ahead despite important contributions. Dave pointed out his issues are real and often out of his control while Fez's problems are in his mind and things he could have worked on but hasn't.

[Serpico1103]

I disagree with Moe's criticism of Dave over his role in the argument with Fez.

Dave was definitely frustrated with his show situation and other things. No doubt about that. In general Dave has done a better job of controlling his outbursts on air recently, but Fez saw Dave was in a state of major distress Monday and picked at the rawest issue between he and Dave - the daycare offer - knowing it would send Dave over the edge.

But I think Fez's strategy backfired on him. Dave's outburst was appropriate because of the amount of stuff he's going through and also because he doesn't complain this way every day and it was still entertaining to listen to. As Ron said before Dave is working through real adult problems, and as weird as Dave is they are things many listeners are able to actually associate with. Trying to support oneself and family on limited means. The effects of a long commute on family life. The frustration of being at the bottom rung at work in your early thirties and not being able to get ahead despite important contributions. Dave pointed out his issues are real and often out of his control while Fez's problems are in his mind and things he could have worked on but hasn't.

And it was interesting radio. Something Fez has long forgotten. Talk about your problems, but make it entertaining, not 5 years of the same thing over and over. Got it; you have mommy and sexual identity issues that you refuse to confront. Make it funny.

[Rawkus]

Fez knows just how much dave is annoyed by the daycare issue and i think dave being annoyed by it is totally justified. Fez acts like this is an act of altruism but come on, if it really was trying to be selfless and help dave he wouldn't always say i offered you two thousand dollars every time he brings it up instead of i offered to help with day care. He always has to mention the amount every single time.

If dave would have accepted the offer, Fez would have held it over dave and casey's head forever. He would have constantly brought it up as a checkmate anytime dave said or did anything he found offensive. I really think that dave is just busting balls(which is a big part of the show) and fez responds by getting really personal and hurtful. He just doesn't understand appropriate reactions.

I really think that the responsibility of the show is to the listeners and to try to create a good show. I feel like despite all the crap that fez throws at him, dave is always aware that there are people that are listening and trys to entertain, even if he is in a shitty mood and pissed off at fez, he bounces back and doesn't cry

[oPant]

I bet JD from the Stern show who Tivos shows makes more than Dave.

[TjM]

You know, that's a very good point. I've heard it happen a couple of times, where Fez brings up a non-gay pop culture topic and Ron doesn't follow up.

That could be because Ron doesn't want the show sounding like a wacky morning show where subjects like that are discussed ad nauseum. He wants a "hook" on the news.

True he would rather be the obscure movies and music/pop culture sucks and if you like anyhting I don't you're an idiot show

[TjM]

The fact that Ron fucking DEFENDED that cliche laden Blind Side is all you need to know

[Melk]

If Ron, the equal partner in the "Ron and Fez Show" contract, really has an issue with the current Fez Whatley, he needs to take it up with Fez in a serious manner.

If Dave is worthy of a raise or a promotion, and is serious about it he needs to talk to the right people about it. I know he is desparate, but he doesn't have the stroke to push management in anger and get what he wants. Making matters worse, he is asking the fans to pressure the wrong people to pay him.

[StanUpshaw]

I bet JD from the Stern show who Tivos shows makes more than Dave.

*hoot*

[TjM]

I bet JD from the Stern show who Tivos shows makes more than Dave.

Diferent situation Stern takes an amount for his show and pays his entire staff accordingly. Hell Dave is ten times the talent of Richard Chrisy and I bet Stern pays Christy more than Dave

[underdog]

True he would rather be the obscure movies and music/pop culture sucks and if you like anyhting I don't you're an idiot show

Avatar is an obscure movie.

[TjM]

Avatar is an obscure movie.
You know exactly what I mean

[TjM]

In short Ron is a dick

[oPant]

Diferent situation Stern takes an amount for his show and pays his entire staff accordingly. Hell Dave is ten times the talent of Richard Chrisy and I bet Stern pays Christy more than Dave

I bet Richard makes $100K or more. He used to do comedy gigs on the side on weekends, but has given them up, I guess he doesn't need the money.

[TjM]

I hope Ron just fires Fez to make everyone happy. Then I want to see what you fucking assholles bitch about then

[underdog]

You know exactly what I mean

You hear what you want to hear. Ron talks about shitty blockbusters that he saw all the time. He also talks about smaller films. What's your point?

[underdog]

I hope Ron just fires Fez to make everyone happy. Then I want to see what you fucking assholles bitch about then

I hope Ron gets fired to make you happy. Then I want to see what you bitch about.

[oPant]

I hope Ron just fires Fez to make everyone happy. Then I want to see what you fucking assholles bitch about then

Ron can't fire Fez. I'm sure each of them have a contract with Sirius/XM. When Dave mans up and says he doesn't want to be on the air until he is paid more they won't respect his worth on the show.

When the contract is up what Ron can do is say he doesn't want to work with Fez, offers Dave $100K to be part of the Ron and Dave show and keep the rest of Fez's old take of the contract money.

[Melk]

I hope Ron just fires Fez to make everyone happy. Then I want to see what you fucking assholles bitch about then
I'd be pissed if he fired Fez.

Sirius/XM would probably STILL not give Dave a bump in pay.

Does anyone here believe "Ron & Fez" and "Opie & Anthony" are going to survive the next two years?

[TjM]

I hope Ron gets fired to make you happy. Then I want to see what you bitch about.

Yeah I hate Ron that's the thing. Ok .net post

Rons awsome, Dave is a genius, Fez need to die, nothings wrong. Forgive me for expressing my feelings on a fan board

[TjM]

Just put a disclaimer on the FP "Cock sucking post only......Unless you're bashig Fez" That should take care of shit

[underdog]

Yeah I hate Ron that's the thing. Ok .net post

Rons awsome, Dave is a genius, Fez need to die, nothings wrong. Forgive me for expressing my feelings on a fan board

I like all three of them.

[Melk]

Fez: If the government instated mandatory sterilization at birth, would the Moyle -- at a circumcision -- also perform the sterilization?

Ron: John, you're on the air.


Somebody make a "Fez's Blown-Over Statements" Thread.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fez: If the government instated mandatory sterilization at birth, would the Moyle -- at a circumcision -- also perform the sterilization?

Ron: John, you're on the air.


Somebody make a "Fez's Blown-Over Statements" Thread.


But seriously, that would have been an awesome setup for a bit. Fez just threw something out there that had potential to be funny. there was an awkward pause, and Ron threw it to a phone.

[Melk]

But seriously, that would have been an awesome setup for a bit. Fez just threw something out there that had potential to be funny. there was an awkward pause, and Ron threw it to a phone.
About a minute later, Dave does a hack "Is Hydrox a virus?" gag. Fez follows it up with a lame "Not enough cream" line and Ron misses the secret-based joke and just says, "Stating a fact again, are we?"

[spoon]

Exactly. And just when he's all fucking pissy after Ron clued him into some of the fucking realities of Radio that he's been neglecting, he decides to get all loud and tough with Fez, taking his frustrations with his own mistakes on Fez.

What a dickbag. All of a sudden it's "Ron has done EVERYTHING for me in radio, Fez is a piece of shit who can't make the guys down the hall cover everything with their health care."

I was really shocked when I heard the audio, I hadn't had the chance to go download it to hear it. Not surprised really, this is how I always felt Dave was feeling about Fez even after he said he respected him. You don't fly off the handle like that at someone you really respect.

I'd love to see him go after Ron like that one day, see where that goes. But no one does that, they all pick on Fez because he's perceived as the weak one.

Funny thing is Moe, I believe that Fez also gets out his pent up anger based on his treatment with Ron the same exact way. I think both ESD and Fez are so afraid of Ron, neither have the balls to say word one back to him in any capacity. It's pretty fucking sad, bc I'd rather go down with a fight rather than look someone in the eye that's ripping you apart at the seams and constantly tearing you down. I truly feel there is plenty going on behind the scenes we don't know, bc it surely feels like Ron has some vitriol against ESD's wife and there's something with this whole HTG thing as well. My bet is both have been torn down at points while Ron is considered the genius and gets away with some pretty awful shit and not one person has a word to say or the balls to say it. It's all my theory, but there's more to this whole situation underneath it all.

[spoon]

I disagree with Moe's criticism of Dave over his role in the argument with Fez.

Dave was definitely frustrated with his show situation and other things. No doubt about that. In general Dave has done a better job of controlling his outbursts on air recently, but Fez saw Dave was in a state of major distress Monday and picked at the rawest issue between he and Dave - the daycare offer - knowing it would send Dave over the edge.

But I think Fez's strategy backfired on him. Dave's outburst was appropriate because of the amount of stuff he's going through and also because he doesn't complain this way every day and it was still entertaining to listen to. As Ron said before Dave is working through real adult problems, and as weird as Dave is they are things many listeners are able to actually associate with. Trying to support oneself and family on limited means. The effects of a long commute on family life. The frustration of being at the bottom rung at work in your early thirties and not being able to get ahead despite important contributions. Dave pointed out his issues are real and often out of his control while Fez's problems are in his mind and things he could have worked on but hasn't.

So mental health issue "are in his mind" and have no physical manifestations? You simply dismiss one's problems bc you can't relate to them personally?! I'm sorry, that's just wrong. Everyone has issues that they need to deal with, and both now feel the need to bring it up on the air so here we are. However, your breakdown on the issue is simply insensitive and wrong. If you dislike someone that's fine, but to say what you did is nothing short of the normal stigma attached to mental illness.

[yojimbo7248]

there's more to this whole situation underneath it all.

This is truest sentence in this thread

[disneyspy]

better listen to him,that spoon is bat shit crazy and can relate to this stuff

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ron has some vitriol against ESD's wife

ironic, given he was the one who set them up together.

[oPant]

Fez: If the government instated mandatory sterilization at birth, would the Moyle -- at a circumcision -- also perform the sterilization?

Ron: John, you're on the air.


Somebody make a "Fez's Blown-Over Statements" Thread.

In that case Ron did the right thing. The statement didn't make any sense and wasn't funny.

[spoon]

About a minute later, Dave does a hack "Is Hydrox a virus?" gag. Fez follows it up with a lame "Not enough cream" line and Ron misses the secret-based joke and just says, "Stating a fact again, are we?"

I'm really glad I'm not the only one seeing this. It's been going on now for years and is only getting more blatant of late. Tjm, some of us do like actually hearing other point of views outside of ass licking those who get plenty of it. Udog, nobody is actually saying Ron isn't a funny mother fucker either, just that he's BEYOND full of himself at this point and seemingly is a root cause in a lot of the issues at hand.

I don't even think he would deny it if someone had the balls to bring it up, yet he would probably twist it as his politician like skills allow. Basically, he's a puppet master and loves to surround himself with a motley crew for years so he can dominate. It would be interesting to see him pair up with someone like Opie for years. In fact, how was the other Ron on the old show? And why did it blow up?

[spoon]

ironic, given he was the one who set them up together.

That means absolutely nothing, as I too have introduced friends to people and regretted it ever since. And did he really? Is this more INSIDE MATTY NEWS!!??

[disneyspy]

I'm really glad I'm not the only one seeing this. It's been going on now for years and is only getting more blatant of late. Tjm, some of us do like actually hearing other point of views outside of ass licking those who get plenty of it. Udog, nobody is actually saying Ron isn't a funny mother fucker either, just that he's BEYOND full of himself at this point and seemingly is a root cause in a lot of the issues at hand.

I don't even think he would deny it if someone had the balls to bring it up, yet he would probably twist it as his politician like skills allow. Basically, he's a puppet master and loves to surround himself with a motley crew for years so he can dominate. It would be interesting to see him pair up with someone like Opie for years. In fact, how was the other Ron on the old show? And why did it blow up?

dias was the straight man that had a sense of humor but cool enough to set benny and fez up for jokes,i missed the last few months of the ron n ron show so i cant answer the second part

[spoon]

ironic, given he was the one who set them up together.

Oh and way to misquote my SPECULATION based on what I hear daily to misrepresent what I fucking said. Classic Matty douche tactics. Quote the whole fucking thing.

[underdog]

Udog, nobody is actually saying Ron isn't a funny mother fucker either, just that he's BEYOND full of himself at this point and seemingly is a root cause in a lot of the issues at hand.

I don't disagree with this at all.

But Ron has always been a bully. Remember, he was portrayed as a bully pushing a teddy bear (Fez) into a puddle, and that was at the very beginning of the XM days, I believe.

[yojimbo7248]

It would be interesting to see him pair up with someone like Opie for years.

I've always wondered if Ron ever gets bored by having a show with two people that always agree with him. I bet he knows it would be a stronger show if someone could hold his own against him. Even on the rare occasion when Fez and even Dave disagree with Ron, they back down immediately.

[underdog]

I've always wondered if Ron ever gets bored by having a show with two people that always agree with him. I bet he knows it would be a stronger show if someone could hold his own against him. Even on the rare occasion when Fez and even Dave disagree with Ron, they back down immediately.

Ron has to take the craziest positions sometimes just to get someone to disagree with him.

[spoon]

I don't disagree with this at all.

But Ron has always been a bully. Remember, he was portrayed as a bully pushing a teddy bear (Fez) into a puddle, and that was at the very beginning of the XM days, I believe.

Yet you truly don't feel his involvement in all this isn't huge? I doubt soooo much he doesn't actually WANT what is going on right now. In the least, he gets a kick out of playing everyone against each other and fucking pulling the strings.

[spoon]

Ron has to take the craziest positions sometimes just to get someone to disagree with him.

very true and at the same time sad

[yojimbo7248]

Yet you truly don't feel his involvement in all this isn't huge? I doubt soooo much he doesn't actually WANT what is going on right now. In the least, he gets a kick out of playing everyone against each other and fucking pulling the strings.

No question. Ron is orchestrating all of the Dave-Fez fight stuff.

[underdog]

Yet you truly don't feel his involvement in all this isn't huge? I doubt soooo much he doesn't actually WANT what is going on right now. In the least, he gets a kick out of playing everyone against each other and fucking pulling the strings.

Oh, absolutely. Ron is the catalyst of everything we hear on air. If he didn't want Dave and Fez fighting, Dave wouldn't be on the air. Ron definitely pulls all the strings.

[disneyspy]

Oh, absolutely. Ron is the catalyst of everything we hear on air. If he didn't want Dave and Fez fighting, Dave wouldn't be on the air. Ron definitely pulls all the strings.

you're ass-kissing of spoon is worse than anything i hear on the radio

[ShowerBench]

I disagree with Moe's criticism of Dave over his role in the argument with Fez.

Dave was definitely frustrated with his show situation and other things. No doubt about that. In general Dave has done a better job of controlling his outbursts on air recently, but Fez saw Dave was in a state of major distress Monday and picked at the rawest issue between he and Dave - the daycare offer - knowing it would send Dave over the edge.

But I think Fez's strategy backfired on him. Dave's outburst was appropriate because of the amount of stuff he's going through and also because he doesn't complain this way every day and it was still entertaining to listen to.

So to paraphrase:

1) A guy living out of his car was offered his dream job on his dream radio show just a few short years ago.

2) Since then, this lucky rookie has been fortunate enough to be granted extensive mic time due to health issues of one of his bosses - one of the two hosts of the radio show. It is more mic time than any newcomer in radio could have hoped for in his wildest imagination by this early stage in his career - and it's mic time on what is arguably the best show in the history of radio. Holy crap.

3) In addition, the apprentice asked for and has been granted a weekend time slot on national satellite radio, with which he may do whatever he likes. This invaluable opportunity was facilitated by his experience on the Ron and Fez show, specifically by that show's hosts, who are his bosses: Ron and Fez.

4) Either of the two hosts could have, and could at any time, replace this young upstart with someone equally or more skilled, knowledgeable, and talented, and for half of his meager salary - especially if that person were told he would likely enjoy substantial mic time during most shows. (If this hypothetical replacement were told he might even have a few hours on the air for his own show within a few years, he would offer to work for free.)

4) On top of all this insane luck, the radio newbie's appreciative BOSS offers him another $2000 - out of his own pocket - because during this short time, the employee acquired a great deal of added financial expense in his personal life.

THEREFORE, our rookie is to be commended for "controlling his outbursts" and "not complaining every day," and is completely justified in attacking and disrespecting his BOSS because the boss brought up the free money he offered to his subordinate.

LOL

[underdog]

you're ass-kissing of spoon is worse than anything i hear on the radio

You are.

[disneyspy]

You are.

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[underdog]

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[disneyspy]

You're the wrestlingfan of sound clips.

you're the bends of stating the obvious

[Curt]

Ron: What's on your mind, Fez?
Fez: Kate Gosling was proactively declined a spread in Playboy magazine.
Ron: Dave, do you have something sports or music-related to make Fez feel like shit for not being into?

This is what drives me nuts about the Fez bashing. I think that Fez knows that he's not as strong on air as he used to be so he is trying out the Opie thing of bringing up a topic and letting the two funnier guys riff on it and all he gets is silence or more often than not just totally ignored and made to feel stupid. It's a really shitty thing to do to someone who is trying to add to the show the best he can. I don't blame Dave for it because he takes his cues from Ron and if Ron decided to go with it Dave would too.

[Melk]

I don't blame Dave for it because he takes his cues from Ron and if Ron decided to go with it Dave would too.
Well, Ron didn't protect Earl from anyone on the show or in the audience. Why he continues to protect Dave while treating Fez like crap is just baffling to me.

Earl was so abused that Anthony's ex was cussing him out on the air.

[Curt]

Just heard it on the replay:

Dave was really wrong to bring all that shit up and fly off the handle at Fez. What a show of disrespect.

Dave was all frustrated about his inability to negotiate his fucking radio show and then went after Fez.

What a fucking load.

Agreed. The thing that really jumped out at me was Dave ( who knows Fez' "secret") yelled that "you don't care about something unless it's two fags sucking each other off". He knows that Fez is wrestling with his sexuality and to say something like that is insanely callous. Not just to say to your boss but to say to anyone you have least bit of respect to as a person.

[spoon]

Agreed. The thing that really jumped out at me was Dave ( who knows Fez' "secret") yelled that "you don't care about something unless it's two fags sucking each other off". He knows that Fez is wrestling with his sexuality and to say something like that is insanely callous. Not just to say to your boss but to say to anyone you have least bit of respect to as a person.

Statements like that get people instantly fired in 99% of the jobs out there. I'm surely not saying anyone should be bc of it, but it's really not cool one way or another.

[Death Metal Moe]

Agreed. The thing that really jumped out at me was Dave ( who knows Fez' "secret") yelled that "you don't care about something unless it's two fags sucking each other off". He knows that Fez is wrestling with his sexuality and to say something like that is insanely callous. Not just to say to your boss but to say to anyone you have least bit of respect to as a person.

See, that's the point now. I don't think Dave has respect for Fez. Not sure if he ever did.

The good part about it was as Dave was getting petty and personal, freaking the fuck out, T Bird just sat there kinda toying with him, watching it unfold.

Dave really looked like the asshole in that exchange.

[Recyclerz]

I'm really glad I'm not the only one seeing this. It's been going on now for years and is only getting more blatant of late. Tjm, some of us do like actually hearing other point of views outside of ass licking those who get plenty of it. Udog, nobody is actually saying Ron isn't a funny mother fucker either, just that he's BEYOND full of himself at this point and seemingly is a root cause in a lot of the issues at hand.

I don't even think he would deny it if someone had the balls to bring it up, yet he would probably twist it as his politician like skills allow. Basically, he's a puppet master and loves to surround himself with a motley crew for years so he can dominate. It would be interesting to see him pair up with someone like Opie for years. In fact, how was the other Ron on the old show? And why did it blow up?

I don't think this is a fair assessment of how this situation seems to have developed. Because of Fez's issues and his inability (or unwillingness) to surmount them, this show has gone from the funniest I've ever heard to a soap opera. Even when Fez is "on" these days he's like a mediocre karaoke version of his old self. So what other resources were/are available to Ron? ESD is great in small doses but the more he's on the air the clearer his limitations become. Pepper has found his groove with the one-liners. Earl, while a great guy, was never a good fit for the show. Pitzy? Lily was a fun character but apparently the resources weren't there to hire her (even then Ron was giving "the ship be sinkin" signals). No Mooch, et cetera, et cetera. I don't see that Ron had many alternatives to becoming the puppet master in a B-level theater (strings showing; stage directions given so that the audience can hear).

Sadly, I would be surprised if the Ron & Fez show lasted beyond the current contract. I hope Ron sticks around to put together another show. I hope Fez finds some solace and contentment. I hope ESD & Pepper get bumped up the ladder but I doubt Dave becomes the "New Fez".

Of course I'm just a listener so all of this stuff isn't worth the paper it isn't printed on.

[Jughead]

I finally caught this on the replay....Good thing Fezzy was not drinking......They do have production meetings right??? Its all part of a plan:smile:

[spoon]

Hey recyc, I think there is a lot of truth to what you say but I just think there is a lot behind it we don't know.

As for the soap opera, this show has been that for a very long time, only now it's Fez on the coals, not the new guy/staffer. If Ron is the genius everyone claims, this type of last resort alternative is nothing short of weak and lazy. I have no clue for sure, but it just feels off and dirty...wrong even.

[booster11373]

Im sure all this will be looked upon as negativity

[Space Edge]

I'd be pissed if he fired Fez.

Sirius/XM would probably STILL not give Dave a bump in pay.

Does anyone here believe "Ron & Fez" and "Opie & Anthony" are going to survive the next two years?

Nope I personally believe both shows are coming to a end. They might make it 2 years but I doubt they will be around in 5.

[Space Edge]

Funny thing is Moe, I believe that Fez also gets out his pent up anger based on his treatment with Ron the same exact way. I think both ESD and Fez are so afraid of Ron, neither have the balls to say word one back to him in any capacity. It's pretty fucking sad, bc I'd rather go down with a fight rather than look someone in the eye that's ripping you apart at the seams and constantly tearing you down. I truly feel there is plenty going on behind the scenes we don't know, bc it surely feels like Ron has some vitriol against ESD's wife and there's something with this whole HTG thing as well. My bet is both have been torn down at points while Ron is considered the genius and gets away with some pretty awful shit and not one person has a word to say or the balls to say it. It's all my theory, but there's more to this whole situation underneath it all.

In the history of the Ron and Fez show has Ron ever been challenged and not treated the second coming christ by the staff and listeners? People rarely disagree with him, I don't think I have ever heard him "under the bus."

[oPant]

Nope I personally believe both shows are coming to a end. They might make it 2 years but I doubt they will be around in 5.

It depends if Sirius survives that long. I think OnA will continue. If RnF have to go back to regular radio they are gonna have big problems.

[PapaBear]

If RnF have to go back to regular radio they are gonna have big problems.
I know it's been a while, but they did fine going back to FM when they were at the last station.

[spoon]

Im sure all this will be looked upon as negativity

do you actually give a fuck?

[Lady Resin]

It depends if Sirius survives that long. I think OnA will continue. I

O&A stink!! How many times can you laugh about fist fucking, deep dicking, the N word, ass licking, etc? That show is a piece of shit! It's the same crap day after day. At least with RnF they can stay with a topic for awhile. If shit picks up they take a break. Yeah I get bored with sports, films and music. But at least Ron or caller can change the pace of the show. God forbid somebody calls O&A with something smart, they just fucking tool on them. O&A have new listeners. One called in, Opie asked him "What do you like about the show?" The hang ups are old!! I hate to say, I love Jim, but when he became 3rd mic, the show went show the shitter. IMO

[Space Edge]

It depends if Sirius survives that long. I think OnA will continue. If RnF have to go back to regular radio they are gonna have big problems.

I know it's been a while, but they did fine going back to FM when they were at the last station.

O&A stink!! How many times can you laugh about fist fucking, deep dicking, the N word, ass licking, etc? That show is a piece of shit! It's the same crap day after day. At least with RnF they can stay with a topic for awhile. If shit picks up they take a break. Yeah I get bored with sports, films and music. But at least Ron or caller can change the pace of the show. God forbid somebody calls O&A with something smart, they just fucking tool on them. O&A have new listeners. One called in, Opie asked him "What do you like about the show?" The hang ups are old!! I hate to say, I love Jim, but when he became 3rd mic, the show went show the shitter. IMO

I think O&A are on their last leg, most of the time they seem like they don't want to be there. Ron and Fez might be able to stick around if O&A leave they would fit perfectly on Sirius/XM Stars 2 the channel that Jay Thomas is on. FM talk I don't know about that not many places left in the country that do FM talk.

[oPant]

O&A stink!! How many times can you laugh about fist fucking, deep dicking, the N word, ass licking, etc? That show is a piece of shit! It's the same crap day after day. At least with RnF they can stay with a topic for awhile. If shit picks up they take a break. Yeah I get bored with sports, films and music. But at least Ron or caller can change the pace of the show. God forbid somebody calls O&A with something smart, they just fucking tool on them. O&A have new listeners. One called in, Opie asked him "What do you like about the show?" The hang ups are old!! I hate to say, I love Jim, but when he became 3rd mic, the show went show the shitter. IMO

OnA and Yimmy make me LOL every show.

RnF don't. Fez gave up and Ron is phoning it in to get a paycheck, and Dave is second mike and he's not funny.

[Melk]

O&A stink!! How many times can you laugh about fist fucking, deep dicking, the N word, ass licking, etc?
I am not disagreeing with you, but "Ron and Fez's" relationship with Sirius is, to some extent, reliant to "Opie and Anthony's" relationship with Sirius.

I think Ron does "Unmasked" and "RBI" to keep himself marketable. He's not stupid.

[underdog]

It depends if Sirius survives that long. I think OnA will continue. If RnF have to go back to regular radio they are gonna have big problems.

As long as they go to nights, Ron and Fez would be fine again on regular radio.

[booster11373]

do you actually give a fuck?

No but if its brought certain people will use it to make their point

[Space Edge]

I am not disagreeing with you, but "Ron and Fez's" relationship with Sirius is, to some extent, reliant to "Opie and Anthony's" relationship with Sirius.

I think Ron does "Unmasked" and "RBI" to keep himself marketable. He's not stupid.

That I agree with but he must not be happy with Unmasked when is the last time he promoted Unmasked being aired on Rawdog? Usually you have to look on the website to figure it out he never mentions when they are going to air.
As long as they go to nights, Ron and Fez would be fine again on regular radio.

They are great at nights and on FM radio but the problem is where, I can't think of very many FM talkers left in the country. Even when they were at KRock they were kicking ass and that got shit canned.

[Recyclerz]

Hey recyc, I think there is a lot of truth to what you say but I just think there is a lot behind it we don't know.

As for the soap opera, this show has been that for a very long time, only now it's Fez on the coals, not the new guy/staffer. If Ron is the genius everyone claims, this type of last resort alternative is nothing short of weak and lazy. I have no clue for sure, but it just feels off and dirty...wrong even.

I agree that there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know, so that all our speculation is just that, but we do know what's coming out of the speakers. Case in point: the last hour of Tuesday's show which just replayed a little while ago. Fez leverages a news story about how hitting kids is wrong into his parental skills advice which (inevitably) degenerates into stories about how Li'l Fezzie never felt safe because his older brother pushed him around a bit and his Mom never intervened. After attempts at engaging in a real, reasoned debate fail (again) Ron is reduced to entreaties like "Can't we just tell jokes and fuck around" and "Remember when you used to tell funny Bobo stories about this stuff". The show ended with Ron curtly cutting Fez up on his current weaknesses, which as an old-timey listener I agree feels dirty, but I'm willing to cut Ron an oz. of slack since, to me anyway, the exasperation in his voice sounds real.

I know my exasperation as a listener is real.

[Melk]

I know my exasperation as a listener is real.
Ron STILL doesn't know how to make lemonade out of Fez's mental lemons.

[Dirtbag]

I hate to say, I love Jim, but when he became 3rd mic, the show went show the shitter. IMO

Jim has officially been 3rd mic since day one on XM and unofficially for some time at NEW. You've stuck with a show that's been in the shitter for an awfully long time.

[Death Metal Moe]

Fuck O&A. Talk about them in another thread. We could go on for a long time about what's wrong with that show. I mean I like them but stay on topic.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

I don't know what the radio landscape in Florida is these days but if there's still a couple talk stations I'd imagine that some PD would be interested in the show.

And I'm not sure why Dave thinks Fez would go to bat for him and help his career when he treats Fez like shit.

[Space Edge]

I don't know what the radio landscape in Florida is these days but if there's still a couple talk stations I'd imagine that some PD would be interested in the show.

And I'm not sure why Dave thinks Fez would go to bat for him and help his career when he treats Fez like shit.

There is Real Radio 104.1 in Orlando, I think it might be the only all talk station in FL.

[Zorro]

I was told this weekend that Jimmy's "mental issues" rant was directed at Fez. Is that true?

[Serpico1103]

I was told this weekend that Jimmy's "mental issues" rant was directed at Fez. Is that true?

It could have been, but I don't think Jimmy is that involved with Fez to have that much emotion about it. Opie brought it up related to his mother. Might explain his anger towards women.

[spainlinx0]

Ron has always said tell a joke, or be the joke. If Fez can't tell jokes, well, you can't expect him to not get ripped. Bringing up topics, is something, but he's not all that great at that. You could have a monkey fling shit at a newspaper and get topics.

It's disheartening, but I'm a fan, and I will always be a fan. I will listen to this show until it doesn't exist anymore, and then I'll probably end up stalking and hiding listening devices on these guys so I can keep hearing them. For some reason, no matter what, I just never get burned out on this show.

I would listen to Stern for a few months, get bored, come back a while later. Same with O&A. Now, the only talk I listen to is this.

[helterskeletor]

Dave treats Fez like shit because he works his ass off to bring anything he can to the show while Fez just coasts through not saying anything for long periods of time and rarely brings good bits to the show. Fez just coasts through getting paid many times more than Dave and it's got to rile you up after a while.

Bottom line is Ron could do a show with a fucking monkey, but Dave has brought some hilarious and memorable moments the last four years. For all intents and purposes it has been the Ron and Dave show for some time now. If I were Fez I'd be tossing Dave some cash at this point.

To recap the many ways that Fez is intentionally letting down the show:

1. He comes up with half-assed topics and does absolutely no research, leading to Ron continually shutting him down in two seconds. Fez takes no lessons away from this and has done nothing to change this. He also does lame ass typical radio topics like "the Mayor of Cleveland passed a law to ban all gays." Any research would show it's a bogus story meant to stir up discussion for dipshits and radio shows, but no one else would waste a minute on it. If you're going to bring a topic to the show, Fez, take some time to be able to talk about your position on it and make sure it doesn't blow.

2. He brings two types of topics to the show, and they're both based on his personal issues: gay issues and mental illness issues. This is because it takes effort to look outside yourself, and Fez absolutely refuses to put in the work. It's a shame because I think it's his constant focus on himself that just makes him worse. As Ron pointed out, when there's some sort of crisis or insanity going on, suddenly Fez will be centered.

3. He spends large amounts of time not saying anything. Dude, you're getting paid a fortune. Yes, Ron can carry a show. But he's having to split the check with you, so pipe up. I honestly believe it should be the Ron show at this point, but I would imagine it would be a difficult transition.

4. He's been doing the same characters forever, and rarely brings bits to the show anyway. Instead of wasting time at the shrink (and if anyone thinks it's been anything but a waste of time and money, you're fooling yourself) and work on some bits for the show. Imagine if he threw a bit of that shrink money over to Dave and spent his new found free time working on bits. It would be a huge improvement.

Ron is a comedic genius, not a fucking ambassador. He can't guide the whole fucking ship, he can throw out brilliant lines and keep the show afloat, but he can't force everyone else to bring stuff to the table. At the end of the day he works with what he's got, and I personally enjoy him ripping into Fez. Fez has it coming until he wakes the fuck up and puts some effort toward the show.

[Melk]

I agree that Fez should me more involved in the show, but I think he has to (on some level) be thankful for Fez's failing mental health because without it, he wouldn't have be kept on as a regular cast member on the show, he wouldn't have had the Midnight Rider gimmick, he wouldn't have had the chance to get an engagement ring from a sponsor to give to Casey, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to be relevant enough to the fans of the show to be allowed a Hard Rock Wedding paid for by the company he works for.

Fez is Dave's boss. While Fez may not have the nerve to kick his ass off of the show for calling him a crybaby on the air, the bosses at Sirius/XM might see his insubordination as a problem. Justified or not, I think Dave is foolish to push Fez's buttons. He probably should keep the talk of "highin'" to a minimum. I enjoy hearing about it, but it could affect his employment potential in this narrowing radio industry.

In the past, Dave has read some of Black Earl's private e-mails on the air. While, walking to Earl's PC and sifting through his open, active e-mail account is a far cry from identity theft or telephone pranks, I can see where a paranoid guy like Fez would jump to the conclusion that Dave was responsible for breaking into his bank account or calling his parents and letting them know the secret. I don' t think was responsible for either of those things, but Fez (at one time) thought he was responsible for them.

Ron or management needs to give Fez an ultimatum at some point. I think Dave needs to handle his financial frustrations with Sirius/XM management. If he asks his immediate supervisors, the best they can do as ask management in his place or pay him out of their own pockets.

[spoon]

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[Gerald]

Fez and Dave have a very strange relationship.

[TjM]

Why would fez pay Dave anything. By that logic David Ortiz should give Jerimy Hermidia half his salary. Fez earned his payday through doing his time Dave hasn't done his time yet he also picked a career in a dying mediun

[n0thng2bdone]

Why would fez pay Dave anything.

because he writes for him?

[TjM]

Medium

[TjM]

because he writes for him?

I assumed that Daves pay is negotiated through siriusmx not the individual host

[Serpico1103]

I assumed that Daves pay is negotiated through siriusmx not the individual host
I may be wrong. But technically esd and pepper work for sirius. As sirius employees they produce the RF show. RF are not their bosses. However, I am sure RF have a say in hiring/firing/pay. But not much a say since they can't replace earl, hire mooch, pay esd, etc.

[n0thng2bdone]

of course, that was just a lame burn. but i was thinking the same thing about negotiating for esd

[TjM]

I may be wrong. But technically esd and pepper work for sirius. As sirius employees they produce the RF show. RF are not their bosses. However, I am sure RF have a say in hiring/firing/pay. But not much a say since they can't replace earl, hire mooch, pay esd, etc.

Sirius doesn't care about 202 :down:

[Freitag]

Oh and way to misquote my SPECULATION based on what I hear daily to misrepresent what I fucking said. Classic Matty douche tactics. Quote the whole fucking thing.

What the hell is this? Ron told Dave that Casey was interested in him at the B.A. Bash. What the hell are you overreacting about?

[oPant]

Ron is a comedic genius,

Only he isn't. If he was he would be doing better and could get his second mike ESD some money.

[spainlinx0]

Only he isn't. If he was he would be doing better and could get his second mike ESD some money.

Yup, you're right. If only he could be as funny as Dane Cook.

[Death Metal Moe]

Only he isn't. If he was he would be doing better and could get his second mike ESD some money.

So now talent is measured by how much pull you have in a huge company in order to get people money?

I don't see the correlation.

And Ron isn't perfect but to not recognize his comedic genius is just openly fucking retarded.

[Hithead]

Dave has no talent, and will end up being an abusive husband and overbearing father. His children and wife will hate him. He will blame all his failings on nthem.

[oPant]

:king:Dave has no talent, and will end up being an abusive husband and overbearing father. His children and wife will hate him. He will blame all his failings on nthem.

His kids are future Fezs.:glurps: