R&F Sirius XM Listening Thread for 4/28/10 In Technicolor!

[Hottub]

:thumbup:Good Morning.

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Please Help Sexy Bastard's niece. Donate blood today. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87020&highlight=give+blood)

Battle of the Bands. Vote for Hats and Even The Slept. (http://www.battleofthebands.com/eventheslept)

You also have to vote for Dino Electropolis and Muledose. (http://www.battleofthebands.com/eventheslept)

Wanna play some softball this summer? (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87381)

Ask Joe The Bartender. He's got teh answers. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86950)

Start a thread about something you heard on the show. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4)

Call 866 RON 0 FEZ

And a very Happy Hump day to Mexi.

[Hottub]

Ichiban.

China lifts ban on travellers with HIV from entering the country.

[Hottub]

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[Baby DEW Year]

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[Hottub]

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:laugh:

[dino_electropolis]

hey buddays.......


this thread has already got me laughing....well done.

[Hottub]

Just so you know,
Rhino is on vacation and Spy is working, so don't ask.

[burrben]

good morning dear friends :bye:

[Hottub]

good morning dear friends :bye:

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Linger.

[Mitch&Murray]

Hey.:bye:

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Please Help Sexy Bastard's niece. Donate blood today. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87020&highlight=give+blood)

Bergen Bar Night VII is THIS WEEKEND!! Come drink with friends. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86859)

Battle of the Bands. Vote for Hats and Even The Slept. (http://www.battleofthebands.com/eventheslept)

You also have to vote for Dino Electropolis and Muledose. (http://www.battleofthebands.com/eventheslept)

Ask Joe The Bartender. He's got teh answers. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86950)

Start a thread about something you heard on the show. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4)

Call 866 RON 0 FEZ

Enjoy the show.

Ya Lazy Prick
Cant even look for a new picture

[Misteriosa]

hey buddays :o

Just so you know,
Rhino is on vacation and Spy is working, so don't ask.

i guess its just as well, since i cant seem to tolerate light or sound well this morning :down:. i scheduled an appointment with my dr for next thursday and im going to DEMAND some type of brain scan. this is getting a little out of hand.

plz keep the thread humming along so i can follow the convo :o

[Hottub]

Feel better, Misti.

[Misteriosa]

ty :o

anyone know where i can get prescription sunglasses for a good price? what ive been seeing in some stores can only be defined as extortion...

[red_red_red]

ty :o

anyone know where i can get prescription sunglasses for a good price? what ive been seeing in some stores can only be defined as extortion...
define a good price

[Hottub]

ty :o

anyone know where i can get prescription sunglasses for a good price? what ive been seeing in some stores can only be defined as extortion...

I went here. (http://www.eyedrx.com/coupons-and-promotions/coupon.php?OfferId=12&LocationId=296)

Afew bucks more for the tint and cooler frames, but still a good deal.

[Hottub]

define a good price

Wallmart good, ya hillbilly.

[Misteriosa]

define a good price

less that $400. my regular glasses were 150 just for the lenses, so i figure, if i want something nice that will last, i gotta pay something.

[red_red_red]

Wallmart good, ya hillbilly.
well then go to walmart...they gave vision center thingys

who ya calling a hillbilly ya creep?
;)

[n0thng2bdone]

http://www.newser.com/getimage.aspx?mediaid=348697

[Hottub]

well then go to walmart...they gave vision center thingys

who ya calling a hillbilly ya creep?
;)


:bye:

[epo]

Wallmart good, ya hillbilly.

Only a savage would enter a Walmart, much less give them money.

[A.J.]

http://beerrightnow.com/images/large/Kirin%20Ichiban.gif

[Hottub]

Red is always sexually harrasing me.






But I don't mind so much.:wub:

[Space Edge]

LOL at Fez "I've had heart attacks and have been back quicker"

[red_red_red]

Red is always sexually harrasing me.






But I don't mind so much.:wub:
then why is there a pen in my boob?

[burrben]

http://www.newser.com/getimage.aspx?mediaid=348697

yum

[Hottub]

Hey, toots.

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[burrben]

i wish i were street

[Hottub]

Does the pope wear a funny hat?

[burrben]

i wear bandanas. it don't make you a gay person.

[Hottub]

i wear bandanas. it don't make you a gay person.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/bret%20michaels.jpg

[n0thng2bdone]

yeah, that was my reaction to yesterday's show too :blink:

[burrben]

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/bret%20michaels.jpg

touche

[Hottub]

It's out your friend Wednesday!!!:clap:

[realmenhatelife]

I think Queen Latifah already came out.

I was guessing Spacey.

And isn't Billy Jo Armstrong married with kids?

[A.J.]

And isn't Billy Jo Armstrong married with kids?

So was this guy:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/81/415x0/81648_johnny-cakes-episode-of-the-sopranos-2006.jpg

[n0thng2bdone]

shouldn't be a big deal for anyone, but it will be for too many

[Hottub]

There are too many narrow mided people who condemn it.

[red_red_red]

There are too many narrow mided people who condemn it.
you can come out..i wont judge

[Zorro]

Wow...Fez has really picked it up since Dave got sick

[Hottub]

you can come out..i wont judge

One of the few in your neck of the woods.

[StanUpshaw]

Wow...Fez has really picked it up since Dave got sick

You must have missed all of Monday and the first three hours of Tuesday.

[PD]

Wow...Fez has really picked it up since Dave got sick
it's the topic not dave missing.

speaking of the topic, I'm surprised he didn't Ichiban this story:

'You can't legislate who you love:' State Rep. Deborah Mell (http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/2207618,carol-marin-mell-same-sex-marriage-042810.article)

(oh Hi boyz)

[biggestmexi]

You must have missed all of Monday and the first three hours of Tuesday.

I did. Boo.

[n0thng2bdone]

does ron advocate capital punishment?!

[Dell]

good afternoon buddays...:bye:

[A.J.]

The guy who shot Malcolm X never identified the other 2 shooters - or who gave the order. So why does he get set free?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Replace the name Malcom X with Harvey Milk. Then ask him again Ron.

[Hottub]

It may be a long shot, but there is a chance that an inmate could be rehabilitated.


Not that I would let them out anyway.

[n0thng2bdone]

cringy when ron gets strong

[red_red_red]

It may be a long shot, but there is a chance that an inmate could be rehabilitated.


Not that I would let them out anyway.
you sound like my parole officer

:innocent:

[epo]

Nothing is dumber than the "prison is like a vacation" logic.

[A.J.]

It may be a long shot, but there is a chance that an inmate could be rehabilitated.

"Rehabilitated?"

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/shawshank2.JPG

[n0thng2bdone]

Nothing is dumber than the "prison is like a vacation" logic.

they use it to advocate deregulation, free markets, privatization (even of prisons!)
oh, and lower taxes

[epo]

The "death penalty" argument is too simplistic to me. Shouldn't it be an output of a larger discussion about the "value of life"?

[n0thng2bdone]

comics-what a dick!

[Servo]

Nothing is dumber than the "prison is like a vacation" logic.

I think most people who say it, say it because they saw Goodfellas.

[A.J.]

The government doesn't kill people: a jury of peers does.

Watch an episode of one of those "MSNBC Lockups" and see what prison guards have to deal with everyday. Then decide if the death penalty is worthwhile.

[Dell]

as posted before...someone needs to throw Harvey Milk into the discussion...1-866-ron-0fez...

[A.J.]

Jesus Christ: the death penalty is NOT a deterrent. It's a PUNISHMENT.

[n0thng2bdone]

it's like nobody, even the law student, has ever read anything on this topic

[drhart]

Hi budday's. What did Buckwheat say?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

With an accent like that I literally didn't even blink.

[A.J.]

With an accent like that I literally didn't even blink.

Seriously. Like you didn't know it was coming.

[red_red_red]

With an accent like that I literally didn't even blink.
now ya know what my voice sounds like

[drhart]

what's the name of this song and who does it?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

now ya know what my voice sounds like

Shit, I've seen your picture I expect this from you.

[Dell]

now ya know what my voice sounds like

and mine...but not what was said...

[drhart]

got it joe cocker

[red_red_red]

and mine...but not what was said...
:laugh:

i was kidding Dell..i do not sound anything like that

[drhart]

daily ass rapings

[Dell]

:laugh:

i was kidding Dell..i do not sound anything like that


almost everyone (not just Caucasian) born and raised here sounds as southern as that caller...kidding I was not...:unsure:

[Mitch&Murray]

got it joe cocker

Actually its Leon Redbone doing Delta Lady
Joe Cocker also did the song

[Furtherman]

I missed it - what song is this?

[n0thng2bdone]

http://www.fionaeporter.com/madlibs/madlibs.jpg

[realmenhatelife]

I love these hammerheads that call up to talk about how great prisoners have it. Really? Then go get caught sticking up a bank, or buy a pound of weed and hang out near a school.

They get three squares a day! outrage outrage Because prison food is famous for being great. Apparently Joel Robuchon opened a prison and noone told me.

I surely would love to never see a woman, ride my bike in the park, take a vacation, go see a band, have my own room and big comfy bed just so I can watch TV and not pay rent all day. Thats a bargain. Oh yeah, lunch is late to day because of an unscheduled race riot.

[Godzoox]

Incoming Fezatorial tomorrow.....

[Hottub]

:laugh:

i was kidding Dell..i do not sound anything like that


Ask her aboot the Tru Coat.

[Dell]

love Rorschach calls...

[Zorro]

Just cancelled my plans so I can stay in and listen to Special Delivery with Sam and Fakety-Faker Dave.

[PD]

can fez really be so caught up as to not have sympathy for anyone else's illness?

[Dell]

Just cancelled my plans so I can stay in and listen to Special Delivery with Sam and Fakety-Faker Dave.

yeah, sure...that's why you have no plans for Saturday night...

[TjM]

can fez really be so caught up as to not have sympathy for anyone else's illness?

Yes. He also feels Dave is against him so Dave is dead to Fez

[Hottub]

Owner Of a Lonely Heart?

[Dell]

percocet makes me feel mellow, but I'm unable to sleep when on it...

[A.J.]

Dave sounds like Jay Mohr right now.

[SinA]

can fez really be so caught up as to not have sympathy for anyone else's illness?

1. Fez is not a nice person.
2. Dave brings more to the show.

[Misteriosa]

im going home early. later buddays

[epo]

The tone that ESD is taking with Fez is exactly what is driving me nuts about the show.

[Hottub]

im going home early. later buddays

:bye:

[Dell]

on a scale of 1 to 10...it is more severe...:laugh:

[Mitch&Murray]

Did Dave just call Fez a fucking cocksucker?

How does this asshole still have a job?

[PD]

The tone that ESD is taking with Fez is exactly what is driving me nuts about the show.
to be fair to dave, he was joking - but Fez only make's it about himself-
no one else can possibly be sick, and not in a different way.

[Dell]

really tiring of ESD getting strong with Fez...time to change the wrestlers' personalities...

[Meataball23]

Did Dave just call Fez a fucking cocksucker?

How does this asshole still have a job?

Hes more talented and better on air than Fez.

[epo]

Did Dave just call Fez a fucking cocksucker?

How does this asshole still have a job?

I really like ESD on the air, but I'm starting to wonder that myself.

[Mitch&Murray]

Hes more talented and better on air than Fez.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
He just called his superior a fucking cocksucker
Unbelievable

[Hottub]

Denjun.

[Dougie Brootal]

fez is a piece of shit. everything always has to be about him. "my pain is worse than yours." he even tried to get tough with dr.steve when he told fez dave was in major pain. shut the fuck up fez. you are a whiny bitch and your life is going to be miserable until it ends because thats the way you want it to be.

[Meataball23]

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
He just called his superior a fucking cocksucker
Unbelievable

It needed to be said

Fez is being a horrific human being

[TjM]

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
He just called his superior a fucking cocksucker
Unbelievable

That is my big issue. He treats his boss like utter shit. Yet he would never try that shit with Ron (Or even Ope or Ant). I could give a shit you all love and worship him. He's a disrespectful prick.

[Lemieux66]

"Fucking cocksucker" = line of the day.

Over/under 2:00 p.m. for crying?

[Dougie Brootal]

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
He just called his superior a fucking cocksucker
Unbelievable

they wont let dave go cuz fez is worthless and ron doesnt wanna do the show alone. although he did a pretty good job of arguing with himself about the death penalty today...

[TjM]

It needed to be said

Fez is being a horrific human being

Dave is just as much of a prick as the next guy

[SinA]

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
He just called his superior a fucking cocksucker
Unbelievable

If he was gone, it would be "The Ron and Fez Show"

[PD]

That is my big issue. He treats his boss like utter shit. Yet he would never try that shit with Ron (Or even Ope or Ant). I could give a shit you all love and worship him. He's a disrespectful prick.

Boss or not, Fez has been awful to Dave personally; Dave just snapped.
I think the fact that Dave took all the other shit quietly was amazing.

[TjM]

Fuck Dave
Fuck Fez
Fuck Ron

I'm tired of this show. It's become nothing but the same conflict over and over

[PD]

Ron finally gave Fez a truth bomb.

he's not being funny, its just mean and crotchety.

[Hottub]

Ronnie with a little tough love?

[PD]

Fuck Dave
Fuck Fez
Fuck Ron

I'm tired of this show. It's become nothing but the same conflict over and over

there is this thing called an "switch"
there are generally 2 on a radio - one allows you to change channel, one allows you to turn the radio on and off.

[YourAmishDaddy]

He just called his superior a fucking cocksucker
Unbelievable

And outside of work what's the problem? If I'm talking to my boss and I'm at home and he pops off at me I'd get in his shit as well.

And Fez is an aspiring cocksucker. Get it right Dave.

[SinA]

Fez is a step away from saying Dave should just "deal with it"

[Dougie Brootal]

nvm

[Sue_Bender]

Actually its Leon Redbone doing Delta Lady
Joe Cocker also did the song

Actually, it was Leon Russell.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Fez, you've taken a few years off.

[PD]

Fez just doesn't get it.

"it's not a bad thing"
what?

you basically say dave is faking all week and its not supposed to be a bad thing?

Dave is constantly taking off- it seems to me that dave should take off more often based on his families problems.

and Fez, NO ONE SAID YOU HAD NO PAIN.

it's not about you.

[Dougie Brootal]

here comes the tears.

[SinA]

Eventually Fez will break.
I don't think today is the day.

But he's not going to give Dave an ounce of slack either.

[Sofa_King]

i like when dave hits back at fez... i agree it's inappropriate but the whole thing is bullshit - post-op fez is the worst character i've heard on radio and his only purpose is to provide insanity for ron and dave to analyze. ron is right - he has given up on being funny, and he's turned into a grumpy old bitch. maybe if he comes out, things will change, but i doubt that will happen anytime soon. feel better dave.

[YourAmishDaddy]

The last hour of the show should just be Ron playing Norton's mental illness rant over and over.

[PD]

When I had a heart attack...
:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[realmenhatelife]

It would be great if Fez and Dave both simultaneously murdered eachother. Then Ron would be free to do a show with Pepper, Dr Steve, Earl and HTG. It would be wonderful.

[Furtherman]

The last hour of the show should just be Ron playing Norton's mental illness rant over and over.

That would be a good idea.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

So in Fez's words, no one knows the pain he went through but he knows Dave's pain? Srsly?

[CountryBob]

Fez has become a dispicable person. A self centered old man.

Save Dave! I am passing around a coffee can here at work.

[epo]

Fuck Dave
Fuck Fez
Fuck Ron

I'm tired of this show. It's become nothing but the same conflict over and over

It does seem to be a pattern that isn't stopping...

[PD]

Fez has become a dispicable person. A self centered old man.

Save Dave! I am passing around a coffee can here at work.

Maybe someone needs to transcript what Fez said to dave, read it back , just substituting Fez for dave.

How could Fez say he wasnt being mean?
how could he say he likes dave and dave doesnt like him?

really?

[Hottub]

More live reads would make everything OK.

[Dougie Brootal]

i definitely wont buy anything that fez does a live read for. any company that has a person like fez shilling for them is not the kind of company i wanna do business with.

[Zorro]

The tone that ESD is taking with Fez is exactly what is driving me nuts about the show.

Agree with you

[Meataball23]

i like when dave hits back at fez... i agree it's inappropriate but the whole thing is bullshit - post-op fez is the worst character i've heard on radio and his only purpose is to provide insanity for ron and dave to analyze. ron is right - he has given up on being funny, and he's turned into a grumpy old bitch. maybe if he comes out, things will change, but i doubt that will happen anytime soon. feel better dave.

x2

It would be great if Fez and Dave both simultaneously murdered eachother. Then Ron would be free to do a show with Pepper, Dr Steve, Earl and HTG. It would be wonderful.

Yes please

[Sue_Bender]

Did someone just call and say the show has been better without Dave?

[Dougie Brootal]

Did someone just call and say the show has been better without Dave?

im sure just to appease fez.

[paulisded]

Did someone just call and say the show has been better without Dave?

Yesterday it took 3 people to replace him and was still nowhere near as entertaining as usual.

[Sue_Bender]

im sure just to appease fez.

It would appear so.

It's sad that Ron has decided to go a "quasi-Best Of" route so we get some funny Fez today.

[jennysmurf]

Miss WNEW.....:down:

[Sofa_King]

a fezitorial!
imagine if you're just hearing this for the first time - "who is this funny, upbeat character who can read a script without sounding like a grunting robot??" :thumbup:

an experiment: have fez try to read an old fezitorial - i bet it would take 3 times as long.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Wow the voice was HIIIIIGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[PD]

Did someone just call and say the show has been better without Dave?

im sure just to appease fez.
qft

and its not even about who is better on air (even though I think 2010 Dave >> 2010 Fez), but rather about how Fez has lost the ability to think of anyone else.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Gay Baritone Thank You is always funny.

[Meataball23]

It would appear so.

It's sad that Ron has decided to go a "quasi-Best Of" route so we get some funny Fez today.

Yes very sad but probably a smart move

a fezitorial!
imagine if you're just hearing this for the first time - "who is this funny, upbeat character who can read a script without sounding like a grunting robot??" :thumbup:

an experiment: have fez try to read an old fezitorial - i bet it would take 3 times as long.


:clap::lol:

[Warren Peace]

Ron & Fez: The Intervention Show

[Hottub]

Oh to be a fly on the wall.

[A.J.]

Fez had a Barbara Mandrell lunchbox? I thought he took his lunch to school in a big brown grocery store bag like Opie.

[Dougie Brootal]

here come the tears!

[YourAmishDaddy]

Understatement of the fucking last six years.

[Sofa_King]

this was a brilliant idea of ron's.
it's too late to make a difference for fez but at least he might realize what a curmudgeon he's become.

[deliciousV]

The worst thing Ron ever did was to allow Fez to have Dave as a security blanket , he should have just pushed him to power thru from the start of his problems, if you go back and listen to when Ron first started to complain about Fez not contributing, he was contributing 30x more than he does now. As it stands now Dave has become Fez's Frankenstein's monster and it's up to Fez to destroy him or let him rum amuck thru the village, where some of the villagers are starting to take up their torches and gather.

[CountryBob]

BRAVO - Ron finally did something rather than enable the situation to get worse. Fez answer the damn wake up call already!

[Furtherman]

this was a brilliant idea of ron's.
it's too late to make a difference for fez but at least he might realize what a curmudgeon he's become.

Agreed!

[A.J.]

Miss the Fezitorials....

[jennysmurf]

Too many Fezzatorials in a row is taking away the power of the Fezzatorial. I love them, but they're grating after too many.

[Hottub]

Miss the Fezitorials....

Miss Fez.

[CountryBob]

Will we see tears today?

[Sofa_King]

that hand up the skirt joke was literally the first non-bitter joke i've heard from fez in a long time. ron has the power.

[Meataball23]

Too many Fezzatorials in a row is taking away the power of the Fezzatorial. I love them, but they're grating after too many.

totally agree

Listening to the old ones are great though. F-ing A+ plan by Ron today

[YourAmishDaddy]

Fez will pull out of it eventually. He has to. They're the main reason I even listen to satellite radio anymore.

[hurlmon]

Fez had a Barbara Mandrell lunchbox? I thought he took his lunch to school in a big brown grocery store bag like Opie.

He has also talked of having a plaid lunch box. Maybe he just ate a lot of lunches each day.

he was know as Fatty pneumonia

[jennysmurf]

Fez will pull out of it eventually. He has to. They're the main reason I even listen to satellite radio anymore.

I hope so. They're the ONLY reason I have satellite radio. If they ever go, so will my Sirius subscription.

[Servo]

That happened to a great pub we used to go to. Good food, good beer, great jukebox, and cool guys behind the bar... they tore it down and put up ugly townhouses in its place.

[Hottub]

Bradlee's was the best of the low-end stores.
And Korvette's for records.

[Furtherman]

I use to love the Woolworth in my neighborhood as a kid. LOVED eating lunch at the counter and then browsing the toy aisle. Use to by fish for my fishtank there as well.

[Furtherman]

Great call, caller. Chumley's was an awesome bar.

http://images.nymag.com/nightlife/barbuzz/chumleys061009_560.jpg

[Servo]

Great call, caller. Chumley's was an awesome bar.

http://images.nymag.com/nightlife/barbuzz/chumleys061009_560.jpg

It was. My wife and I went on our second date there.

[jennysmurf]

I had a friend that would only eat in places where she was comfortable. She would only eat at McDonalds in New York City, and at Wendy's when we visited Ireland. She wouldn't try anywhere unknown.

[A.J.]

Bradlee's was the best of the low-end stores.
And Korvette's for records.

Bradlee's and Caldor's were kick-ass when I was a kid.

And chain restaurants are the scourge of the earth.

[Hottub]

I use to love the Woolworth in my neighborhood as a kid. LOVED eating lunch at the counter and then browsing the toy aisle. Use to by fish for my fishtank there as well.

Newberry's too.

[Servo]

Who the fuck is that who keeps calling, radio shark?

[Hottub]

I can't even count the number of shows I saw at Studio 1 in Newark.

[Servo]

And chain restaurants are the scourge of the earth.

In downtown Brooklyn there used to be a restaurant called Gage & Tollner. It was a steak and seafood place, one of the oldest restaurants in the city. Truly an old school place. I guess it couldn't maintain as the area kept changing... it closed about 5 years ago and a TGI Friday's opened in its place. Well, Friday's apparently couldn't hang there either, and now it's an Arby's!

[Hottub]

Strange one.

Seeya.

[Lady Resin]

I can't even count the number of shows I saw at Studio 1 in Newark.

Wow! I remember that place. My husbands band played there every so often. I drove by it in Feb. coming home from jury duty. It's all boarded up. I use to work next door to it.

[Mitch&Murray]

Bradlee's and Caldor's were kick-ass when I was a kid.

And chain restaurants are the scourge of the earth.

My first job was pushing shopping carts for Caldors Store #1 Norwalk CT
Carl and Doris Bennett

[TjM]

I mis "The Tasty" in Harvard Square it was a closet but it was a damn fine greasy sppon. It's an Abercrombie and Fitch now :furious: