Pericarditis

[ShowerBench]

I had it when I was 15 shortly after a flu.

It's painful. There is an achy, stabbing pain when you breathe in.

However, I took Tylenol and went to school anyway. It was no worse to deal with than a sprained ankle in terms of pain, and it definitely wasn't debilitating enough to require laying in bed.

Dave callers are so Munchausen by Proxy.

[mikeyboy]

I had it when I was 15 shortly after a flu.

It's painful. There is an achy, stabbing pain when you breathe in.

However, I took Tylenol and went to school anyway. It was no worse to deal with than a sprained ankle in terms of pain, and it definitely wasn't debilitating enough to require laying in bed.

Dave callers are so Munchausen by Proxy.

So this makes you some kind of expert?

Clearly, with any condition there are varying degrees of severity. I know nothing about the condition, but if Dr. Steve says it can be more painful than a heart attack, I'll take his word for it over your anecdotal evidence.

[Furtherman]

SB, you have no clue, so shut it. You're already on Fez's good side, you don't have to post nonesense to stay there.

[Sue_Bender]

Pericarditis almost killed Bob Dylan in 1997.

[ShowerBench]

So this makes you some kind of expert?

Clearly, with any condition there are varying degrees of severity. I know nothing about the condition, but if Dr. Steve says it can be more painful than a heart attack, I'll take his word for it over your anecdotal evidence.

I didn't say anything about pericarditis pain vs pain of a heart attack.

As I said, pericarditis was painful. I would not doubt it is as or more painful than the pain of most heart attacks, because from what I understand, a heart attack is more of a sustained discomfort involving pressure or shortness of breath. Pericarditis is sharp and acute.

But my description of the pain and how serious or not serious it is is probably more reliable than anyone who hasn't had pericarditis.

It hurt but briefly and acutely. It was not debilitating in the least and was completely manageable with Tylenol.

Red ain't dying and the indignant callers are overwrought.

[ShowerBench]

SB, you have no clue, so shut it. You're already on Fez's good side, you don't have to post nonesense to stay there.

How is it that someone who has had this minor ailment has "no clue"?

[Furtherman]

How is it that someone who has had this minor ailment has "no clue"?

Because you are not Dave.

[mikeyboy]

I didn't say anything about pericarditis pain vs pain of a heart attack.

As I said, pericarditis was painful. I would not doubt it is as or more painful than the pain of most heart attacks, because from what I understand, a heart attack is more of a sustained discomfort involving pressure or shortness of breath. Pericarditis is sharp and acute.

But my description of the pain and how serious or not serious it is is probably more reliable than anyone who hasn't had pericarditis.

It hurt but briefly and acutely. It was not debilitating in the least and was completely manageable with Tylenol.

Red ain't dying and the indignant callers are overwrought.

I will take the word of a trained physician over that over a person who suffered a (likely minor) case of the ailment.

[Dougie Brootal]

Pericarditis almost killed Bob Dylan in 1997.

now im pissed!:furious:

[Crossweird]

I will take the word of a trained physician over that over a person who suffered a (likely minor) case of the ailment.<!-- / message -->

But I saw it on House.

[ShowerBench]

I will take the word of a trained physician over that over a person who suffered a (likely minor) case of the ailment.

The trained physician only said it was painful and usually more painful than a heart attack, with which I did not disagree so not sure what you're arguing about.

The person who had the ailment - and it's almost always a "minor case" - said it was painful, but no more so than the worst pain of a sprained ankle (also probably more painful than a heart attack) and manageable with over-the-counter medication (which most trained doctors will also tell you).

[ShowerBench]

Because you are not Dave.

I'm dubious - and my main point was that the callers are acting like drama queens.

[Furtherman]

Doctors will also tell you that everyone handles pain differently. What might be minor for some could be excruciating for others, and vice versa.

[paulisded]

I had forgotten Shower Bench existed. Now I remember why he was so hard to endure.

[ShowerBench]

Doctors will also tell you that everyone handles pain differently. What might be minor for some could be excruciating for others, and vice versa.

Agree and Dave says he is more sensitive to pain because of his ginger condition, but there is more than enough reason to doubt Dave's account given that it's a minor ailment that is usually manageable with over the counter meds and doesn't render most people helpless. (Perc's can, though)

Therefore, Fez's mocking and doubting/minimizing was funny - and Dave's reaction to Fez was out of line.

[Sue_Bender]

Agree and Dave says he is more sensitive to pain because of his ginger condition, but there is more than enough reason to doubt Dave's account given that it's a minor ailment that is usually manageable with over the counter meds and doesn't render most people helpless. (Perc's can, though)

Therefore, Fez's mocking and doubting/minimizing was funny - and Dave's reaction to Fez was out of line.

Dave may have been out of line...


but Fez has been anything but funny today.

[Space Edge]

Doctors will also tell you that everyone handles pain differently. What might be minor for some could be excruciating for others, and vice versa.

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[ShowerBench]

Dave may have been out of line...


but Fez has been anything but funny today.

Fez was hilarious when he suggested Dave was faking...and the (poutraged) callers were ridiculous, you have to admit.

[TripleSkeet]

Fez was hilarious when he suggested Dave was faking...and the (poutraged) callers were ridiculous, you have to admit.

Im gonna have to look up the definition of hilarious again. Apparently it must not mean what I thought it meant.

[JerseyRich]

Shower bench.

You are a dumb twat.

[ShowerBench]

It's always funny when someone accuses someone of faking.

Naturally the Dave callers are compelled to find a way to turn it against Fez. They love to ruin the Ron and Fez show.

[Sloppy2nds]

My god, does Fez have any budday's on the board besides SB. I thought this was the Ron & Fez Show message board. Way to support a legend guys.

[hurlmon]

It's always funny when someone accuses someone of faking.

Naturally the Dave callers are compelled to find a way to turn it against Fez. They love to ruin the Ron and Fez show.

The callers have ruined it? How about Fez?

[Space Edge]

Using ShowerBench's argument Fez should have bounced back from his cardiac problem and mental issues years ago since there are tons of people that have multiple heart attacks and mental issue and bounce back after they receive treatment.

[Sue_Bender]

My god, does Fez have any budday's on the board besides SB. I thought this was the Ron & Fez Show message board. Way to support a legend guys.

The fact that I still listen to the show everyday and pay my subscription is showing my support for the show IN SPITE of the fact that Fez has been a bitter fellow for the last few YEARS.

[Sloppy2nds]

The fact that I still listen to the show everyday and pay my subscription is showing my support for the show IN SPITE of the fact that Fez has been a bitter fellow for the last few YEARS.

Just heartless, Sue (no pun)

[ShowerBench]

The callers have ruined it? How about Fez?

It's true that there was a period of time during which Fez was not in top form. During that time, Dave was allowed more mic time. Then Dave's silly fanboyz started complaining that Fez wasn't "talking enough" because they thought it was in the best interest of their internet friend, Dave to undermine Fez.

Eventually, Dave adopted that warped narrative as well, as you heard today when he cited it.

Dave brings something but when When Dave is out the show improves dramatically in part because Fez is more involved. Fez admits he isn't completely satisfied with his own performance, but the Fez-haters are the real drag on the show.

[underdog]

My god, does Fez have any budday's on the board besides SB. I thought this was the Ron & Fez Show message board. Way to support a legend guys.

I think people are defending Dave, not attacking Fez. SB is the only one here making it Dave v Fez.

[paulisded]

Ugh

[ShowerBench]

I think people are defending Dave, not attacking Fez. SB is the only one here making it Dave v Fez.

The Dave callers made it Dave v Fez by "defending" Dave with so much earnestness when it wasn't even necessary. Big deal, his heart hurts and Fez made some snide remarks.

Then Dave himself went nuts, which was funny yet revealing.

[hurlmon]

It's true that there was a period of time during which Fez was not in top form. During that time, Dave was allowed more mic time. Then Dave's silly fanboyz started complaining that Fez wasn't "talking enough" because they thought it was in the best interest of their internet friend, Dave to undermine Fez.

Eventually, Dave adopted that warped narrative as well, as you heard today when he cited it.

Dave brings something but when When Dave is out the show improves dramatically in part because Fez is more involved. Fez admits he isn't completely satisfied with his own performance, but the Fez-haters are the real drag on the show.

You have got to be kidding... Fez still isn't in top form and hasn't been for years and is getting worse.

If they were on terrestrial radio the show probably wouldn't be around anymore since their ratings most likely would have gone down book after book. Just look at this board and how many people listen less then they used to. And these are people who like/liked the show so much that they joined a message board. How many people do you think that were just casual listeners have bailed already?

Oh and the only way the show improves without Dave is due to Earl or another friend of the show coming and giving new perspectives on things. Nothing to do with Fez. Yeah he may start the show ok but he can't maintain.

Dave isn't Fez's problem, Fez is Fez's problem.

[Dougie Brootal]

It's true that there was a period of time during which Fez was not in top form. During that time, Dave was allowed more mic time. Then Dave's silly fanboyz started complaining that Fez wasn't "talking enough" because they thought it was in the best interest of their internet friend, Dave to undermine Fez.

Eventually, Dave adopted that warped narrative as well, as you heard today when he cited it.

Dave brings something but when When Dave is out the show improves dramatically in part because Fez is more involved. Fez admits he isn't completely satisfied with his own performance, but the Fez-haters are the real drag on the show.

you dont really think that do you? how is uncomfortable silence, and stammering followed by crying and complaining about mental issues followed by a flat out refusal to do anything to fix it a "dramatic improvement"?

[Freitag]

The funny thing about this is that the phone call "bit" started the same exact way when Fez had his second stent put in. Fez called in complaining about how tired he was and Ron kept egging him on.

[Freitag]

you dont really think that do you? how is uncomfortable silence, and stammering followed by crying and complaining about mental issues followed by a flat out refusal to do anything to fix it a "dramatic improvement"?

not bashing Dave but Fez was really taking part in the show today. I definitely noticed a difference in his demeanor.

[ShowerBench]

Oh and the only way the show improves without Dave is due to Earl or another friend of the show coming and giving new perspectives on things. Nothing to do with Fez. Yeah he may start the show ok but he can't maintain.

Dave isn't Fez's problem, Fez is Fez's problem.

Agree that Earl/Pepper/HTG, etc. are essential to the show becoming better without Dave, but to say that a third mic or other guests help the show doesn't mean that Fez doesn't also improve. He clearly does, and even if there are still moments when a topic stalls the general vibe is much better and much more like the Ron and Fez show (I would say the Ron and Fez show pre-Dave, but Dave was also an overall asset to the show at one time).

Fez has always occupied the subordinate position to Ron on the show, but staffers or guests did not disrespect Fez. Other current staffers and guests don't do it much or at all when they come in, and as a result Fez recovers his posture as a host and his performance is much better.

[TripleSkeet]

It's true that there was a period of time during which Fez was not in top form.

2005 - present

[yojimbo7248]

I had forgotten Shower Bench existed. Now I remember why he was so hard to endure.

she not he

[Dougie Brootal]

not bashing Dave but Fez was really taking part in the show today. I definitely noticed a difference in his demeanor.

hmm. i musta missed that part.

[hurlmon]

Agree that Earl/Pepper/HTG, etc. are essential to the show becoming better without Dave, but to say that a third mic or other guests help the show doesn't mean that Fez doesn't also improve. He clearly does, and even if there are still moments when a topic stalls the general vibe is much better and much more like the Ron and Fez show (I would say the Ron and Fez show pre-Dave, but Dave was also an overall asset to the show at one time).

Fez has always occupied the subordinate position to Ron on the show, but staffers or guests did not disrespect Fez. Other current staffers and guests don't do it much or at all when they come in, and as a result Fez recovers his posture as a host and his performance is much better.

Do you really think Fez has improved? MAybe at teh start of teh Daveless shows but as I said earlier he can't maintain and just because he may talk doesn't make it good quality.

When was the time that you though Dave was an asset? I think he always has been, maybe not when he was going over the line with the piss and shit but overall he is an asset.

As far as respecting Fez, as the old saying goes respect is earned not given. Sure his name is on the show, but what has he done in the last few years to earn any respect? I think staff and guests seem to follow Ron's lead on how to treat Fez. It's not like Ron is great to him as time goes by. He used to defend Fez.

[Serpico1103]

Fez has always occupied the subordinate position to Ron on the show, but staffers or guests did not disrespect Fez. Other current staffers and guests don't do it much or at all when they come in, and as a result Fez recovers his posture as a host and his performance is much better.

Who is to blame for that?
Oh, I know. Mrs. Hilliard.

[ShowerBench]

Do you really think Fez has improved? MAybe at teh start of teh Daveless shows but as I said earlier he can't maintain and just because he may talk doesn't make it good quality.

When was the time that you though Dave was an asset? I think he always has been, maybe not when he was going over the line with the piss and shit but overall he is an asset.

As far as respecting Fez, as the old saying goes respect is earned not given. Sure his name is on the show, but what has he done in the last few years to earn any respect? I think staff and guests seem to follow Ron's lead on how to treat Fez. It's not like Ron is great to him as time goes by. He used to defend Fez.

Nobody can credibly say that Fez hasn't improved both by dealing with the relentless criticism and usually getting past it immediately, and his general performance. True, it's stronger at the beginning but for the most part he participates throughout, and there is much more "old Fez" than was there a couple of years ago. Disagree that he merely "talks more" - and one well-placed Fez line is always more potent than an hour of, say, Dave.

Dave was an asset in the beginning when he regarded himself as the stuntboy clown (I never thought he went too far or could have) who told tranny and jelly-fucking stories instead of the person who "saved" Fez and the show with frenetic babble, and who has the audacity to tell the show's host that "he missed a thousand shows" as if the opportunity to fill in on the air were a hardship on him instead of an opportunity of a lifetime that hundreds of young guys in NY would have murdered for.

His endless problems now are also funny, but we can't talk about those here even if they are discussed on the air and there are no limits on examining and discussing Fez's personal life.

Fez earned respect over many years and a long-ish term setback that doesn't justify the contempt Dave or his callers harbor for him or the over-eager blanket declarations we see posted here about a "once great talent." Particularly when it is obvious that there has been stark improvement over the last several months and it's even more noticeable when Dave is off-mic.

[Furtherman]

Nobody can credibly say that Fez hasn't improved both by dealing with the relentless criticism and usually getting past it immediately, and his general performance.

I have no idea what show you are listening to.

[ShowerBench]

Who is to blame for that?
Oh, I know. Mrs. Hilliard.

Fez has never had the constitution to deal with the kind of disrespect from staffers or callers he is subjected to now and also perform at 100%. He never needed it either.

[n0thng2bdone]

2005 - present

it started in 2004. pre-heart attack(s) <-when did this become plural? but that's besides the point.

dave>healthy fez

[hurlmon]

Nobody can credibly say that Fez hasn't improved both by dealing with the relentless criticism and usually getting past it immediately, and his general performance. True, it's stronger at the beginning but for the most part he participates throughout, and there is much more "old Fez" than was there a couple of years ago. Disagree that he merely "talks more" - and one well-placed Fez line is always more potent than an hour of, say, Dave.

Dave was an asset in the beginning when he regarded himself as the stuntboy clown (I never thought he went too far or could have) who told tranny and jelly-fucking stories instead of the person who "saved" Fez and the show with frenetic babble, and who has the audacity to tell the show's host that "he missed a thousand shows" as if the opportunity to fill in on the air were a hardship on him instead of an opportunity of a lifetime that hundreds of young guys in NY would have murdered for.

His endless problems now are also funny, but we can't talk about those here even if they are discussed on the air and there are no limits on examining and discussing Fez's personal life.

Fez earned respect over many years and a long-ish term setback that doesn't justify the contempt Dave or his callers harbor for him or the over-eager blanket declarations we see posted here about a "once great talent." Particularly when it is obvious that there has been stark improvement over the last several months and it's even more noticeable when Dave is off-mic.

I couldn't disagree more. No need to keep going around in circles.

When did you start listening? If it's around the time you joined .net and you've only heard them on XM then that could it. You've never heard what Fez is/was capable of. The downward spiral started in '05 (?) at 'jfk after leaving 'new.

Thanks for helping me waste a boatload of time today though :smile:
It's kinda slow at work.

[Serpico1103]

Nobody can credibly say that Fez hasn't improved both by dealing with the relentless criticism and usually getting past it immediately, and his general performance.


Usually getting past it immediately? Are his tears carrying him away from it? He may have slowed his descent, but he has not improved. If you want to blame anyone, blame Ron. Ron steps all over Fez. Dismisses his topics. And only entertains his 2 or 3 favorite topics.

Fez has never had the constitution to deal with the kind of disrespect from staffers or callers he is subjected to now and also perform at 100%. He never needed it either.

Never needed it? Aww, poor baby. Does he need the paycheck? He can walk away easier than ESD.
Never had the constitution? Maybe he is in the wrong line of work. Disrespect from callers? He is a host. They are callers. How can he not handle it? Oh, I guess he never sees that "what does cum taste like" call coming, so he can't prepare an answer days in advance.

You are more of a character than Jezo. And if you think your enabling Fez is helping you are sadly mistaken. Ron should have told him long ago, to focus on himself, the show will be there when he gets back, but until then he needs to get better.

[realmenhatelife]

http://data.koolkrazy.com/EpisodeGuides/CharacterImages/Startrek_The_Next_Generation/TNGJeanLucPicard.jpg

Picardiditus. Make it so.

[paulisded]

I couldn't disagree more. No need to keep going around in circles.

When did you start listening? If it's around the time you joined .net and you've only heard them on XM then that could it. You've never heard what Fez is/was capable of. The downward spiral started in '05 (?) at 'jfk after leaving 'new.

Thanks for helping me waste a boatload of time today though :smile:
It's kinda slow at work.

Don't even bother responding. SB obviously doesn't read the replies, and just re-types the same gibberish she has been spewing for the past year.

And she also doesn't understand the difference between fact and opinion.

[TjM]

The fact that I still listen to the show everyday and pay my subscription is showing my support for the show IN SPITE of the fact that Fez has been a bitter fellow for the last few YEARS.

I still listen but I reach points where I hate everyone but Pepper and Earl it seems every show starts pretty good but it alwys hits a point where it's "TIME FOR ESD VS MS FEZ WHATLEY!!!!"

[TjM]

OH and ANYONE that says the callers aren't complete fucking shit. Is a lying asshole

[TjM]

I think people are defending Dave, not attacking Fez. SB is the only one here making it Dave v Fez.

That's the issue can't seem to do one without the other (And Vice Versa) I'm guilty of it myself (I have attacked Dave even at time when I didn't want to just to counter the barrage of shit Fez seems to get)

[disneyspy]

pericarditis raped my mom and shot my dog

[TjM]

pericarditis raped my mom and shot my dog

Lois was right children under 4 shouldn't smoke

[underdog]

I still listen but I reach points where I hate everyone but Pepper and Earl it seems every show starts pretty good but it alwys hits a point where it's "TIME FOR ESD VS MS FEZ WHATLEY!!!!"

You like Earl?

[Crispy123]

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Picardiditus. Make it so.

I loffed out loud at this! :clap:

[yojimbo7248]

You are more of a character than Jezo.

No comparison. Jezo kicks Showerbench's ass as a character. He's way more entertaining and puts personality in his character. Showerbench's posts remind me of the most boring political spinmeister. It's like she works for Congressperson Whatley (D-FA). I wish SB would go one step further and write more like North Korean propaganda. At least the Fez PR posts would be entertaining if she talked about the glorious wisdom and guidance from our Dear Leader, Fez.

[TjM]

You like Earl?
Sadly yes

Remember with Earl he was the heel. Dave and Fez united against him. He was the enemy

[ShowerBench]

Never needed it? Aww, poor baby. Does he need the paycheck? He can walk away easier than ESD.
Never had the constitution? Maybe he is in the wrong line of work. Disrespect from callers? He is a host. They are callers. How can he not handle it? Oh, I guess he never sees that "what does cum taste like" call coming, so he can't prepare an answer days in advance.

You are more of a character than Jezo. And if you think your enabling Fez is helping you are sadly mistaken. Ron should have told him long ago, to focus on himself, the show will be there when he gets back, but until then he needs to get better.

I don't mean he never needed it as in, "Boo hoo, Fez never needed that horrible treatment..." I meant that the show never before required that Fez have a personality that would accommodate a staffer busting his balls and callers following suit.

That looms large in Fez's head now and is an obstacle to better performance - if not the only one. He was called paranoid for thinking Dave wasn't entirely sympathetic to his mental issues or their affect on his performance, and for thinking Dave disrespected him - so what's up with Dave calling him out on the air for it today, as if they are equals?

Dave takes himself too seriously.

[ShowerBench]

No comparison. Jezo kicks Showerbench's ass as a character. He's way more entertaining and puts personality in his character. Showerbench's posts remind me of the most boring political spinmeister. It's like she works for Congressperson Whatley (D-FA). I wish SB would go one step further and write more like North Korean propaganda. At least the Fez PR posts would be entertaining if she talked about the glorious wisdom and guidance from our Dear Leader, Fez.

As in politics, narratives take hold and persist beyond all reason, and the result is that we end up with 8 devastating years of "authentic" Bush instead of "crazy, lying Gore" or "flip-flopping Kerry."

Or worse, we end up with no hope of restoring Ron and Fez to its optimal state (it's still the best show on radio).

[Serpico1103]

I don't mean he never needed it as in, "Boo hoo, Fez never needed that horrible treatment..." I meant that the show never before required that Fez have a personality that would accommodate a staffer busting his balls and callers following suit.

That looms large in Fez's head now and is an obstacle to better performance - if not the only one. He was called paranoid for thinking Dave wasn't entirely sympathetic to his mental issues or their affect on his performance, and for thinking Dave disrespected him - so what's up with Dave calling him out on the air for it today, as if they are equals?

Dave takes himself too seriously.

Its a radio show correct? Only an auditory medium? No matter how much you hate ESD's contribution, at least there is something. Fez is white noise: tapping, gulping, grunting, ..I..., ..uh..., voice crack, sob.

No one on this board doubts Fez has issues. I think many people on this board and on the show (in my opinion) have given up believing that Fez is struggling to get better.

Fez the gay character was great on the air. Todd the gay man on the air stinks.

[Serpico1103]

No comparison. Jezo kicks Showerbench's ass as a character. He's way more entertaining and puts personality in his character. Showerbench's posts remind me of the most boring political spinmeister. It's like she works for Congressperson Whatley (D-FA). I wish SB would go one step further and write more like North Korean propaganda. At least the Fez PR posts would be entertaining if she talked about the glorious wisdom and guidance from our Dear Leader, Fez.

I meant more of a phony character. Jezo plays a role that at times has you wonder where the person ends and the character begins.

SB is just pathetic.

[TjM]

Windchill factor is bullshit

[TjM]

A penut is neither a pea nor a nut

[TjM]

Gingers are people too

[ShowerBench]

No one on this board doubts Fez has issues. I think many people on this board and on the show (in my opinion) have given up believing that Fez is struggling to get better.

Most people on this board hope Fez doesn't get better and hope even harder when he does improve.

[ShowerBench]

SB is just pathetic.

I know, Fez fans blow

[disneyspy]

Most people on this board hope Fez doesn't get better and hope even harder when he does improve.

thats just crazy talk,there just alot of people on this board that are invested in the show and show their frustration by bad mouthing the host they see as the weak link instead of accepting that things change,whether fez gets back to his old character or not isnt the issue,the issue is why you people are so are so afraid to admit that you hate change and your all just a bunch of scared pussies

[TjM]

Been raining latley. Hope the weather clears up

[disneyspy]

Been raining latley. Hope the weather clears up

i just spent 6 hours hand watering my greens,hope we get some rain here soon

[TjM]

i just spent 6 hours hand watering my greens,hope we get some rain here soon

I had to scrape my windsheild today. It ain't right damnit!

[Serpico1103]

So the solution is Ron and Dave?

Wait untill Dave has no Fez to bully. He'd be fucked. I'd prefer Ron and Patrice/Louis CK/Louis Black/ Fuck even Rich Voss.

Without a weak ass Fez to fuck with Dave would be done

ESD isn't third mic. He gets put as third mic when Fez can't handle 2nd mic.
3/4 of the current show is the Ron & Dave show anyway. The other 25% is Fez's usual topics and Ron letting (guiding) him repeat the same nonsense over and over.

Find a good 2nd mic, and let ESD play his small but funny role.

[TjM]

ESD isn't third mic. He gets put as third mic when Fez can't handle 2nd mic.
3/4 of the current show is the Ron & Dave show anyway. The other 25% is Fez's usual topics and Ron letting (guiding) him repeat the same nonsense over and over.

Find a good 2nd mic, and let ESD play his small but funny role.

Do you know New England is on a major fault line?

Scary shit mang

[hurlmon]

thats just crazy talk,there just alot of people on this board that are invested in the show and show their frustration by bad mouthing the host they see as the weak link instead of accepting that things change,whether fez gets back to his old character or not isnt the issue,the issue is why you people are so are so afraid to admit that you hate change and your all just a bunch of scared pussies

I don't think it's about change but more about hearing something that ou enjoy slowly go down the tubes. change can be good but come on the changes in the show are not for the better and the one most feel is responsible for the change doesn't give off a feeling of trying to help himself.

[Serpico1103]

Most people on this board hope Fez doesn't get better and hope even harder when he does improve.

I would say this is wrong. When Fez started showing weakness on the air, I felt so bad. After years of hearing the same stories. Of hearing how on an island of gay men, he can't meet anyone. Of how his Mom mentally and physically abused him (but he runs back every vacation). I gave up. However, I only gave up after he did.

I loved the old Ron & Fez show. It gives less and less joy every day. I want Fez to get off the air, treat himself, then return. Obviously, what he is doing now isn't working. In his personal life or on the air.
What would you say if Fez was your kid's teacher. Every day your kid came home and said "my teacher just cried and told us the same thing as yesterday." Would you just hope the teacher changed? Wait for years, until a miracle happened?
Anyone acting the way Fez is acting would have hit bottom and been forced to seek real help. Instead, his lack of dependents and lack of real work demands allow him to sink lower and lower.
I want Fez to get better, for his sake and the sake of the show. Fez being ill doesn't help me in any way.

[disneyspy]

I don't think it's about change but more about hearing something that ou enjoy slowly go down the tubes. change can be good but come on the changes in the show are not for the better and the one most feel is responsible for the change doesn't give off a feeling of trying to help himself.

i would think seeing a therapist would be a sign of trying to change but as i pointed out before i dont believe its about fez so much as i think its about the posters that just cant accept the show is different from what they remember,believe me its alot different from the 12 year break i had from the buddays but i can accept it,its still good entertainment

[Sue_Bender]

I don't think it's about change but more about hearing something that ou enjoy slowly go down the tubes. change can be good but come on the changes in the show are not for the better and the one most feel is responsible for the change doesn't give off a feeling of trying to help himself.

Bingo.

[ShowerBench]

thats just crazy talk,there just alot of people on this board that are invested in the show and show their frustration by bad mouthing the host they see as the weak link instead of accepting that things change,whether fez gets back to his old character or not isnt the issue,the issue is why you people are so are so afraid to admit that you hate change and your all just a bunch of scared pussies

I like my favorite show in its top form - a showcase of Ronnie B with the best co-host possible.

I liked the change when Fez joined Ron as a host. Admittedly, the idea of Dave as a co-host does frighten me.

Part of the problem is the "investment" you reference - maybe it's the inevitable consequence of the internet but the fact that there are more "invested" listeners as opposed to experiencing the show as background noise probably isn't a positive development. There were a dozen callers who jumped ever-so-earnestly on Fez for making fun of Dave faking it instead of laughing at it - how does THAT amount to a worthwhile "change"?

[mikeyboy]

Most people on this board hope Fez doesn't get better and hope even harder when he does improve.

Absolute 100% bullshit.

I know you love to paint yourself as the only one who supports Fez, but it's crap. I think most of us do want to see Fez improve. I know I do.

You also take anyone who supports Dave as being anti-Fez. That's also crap. Many of us support both and want to see both succeed. Just because you've picked teams doesn't mean everyone else has.

[disneyspy]

I like my favorite show in its top form - a showcase of Ronnie B with the best co-host possible.

I liked the change when Fez joined Ron as a host. Admittedly, the idea of Dave as a co-host does frighten me.

Part of the problem is the "investment" you reference - maybe it's the inevitable consequence of the internet but the fact that there are more "invested" listeners as opposed to experiencing the show as background noise probably isn't a positive development. There were a dozen callers who jumped ever-so-earnestly on Fez for making fun of Dave faking it instead of laughing at it - how does THAT amount to a worthwhile "change"?

that i blame on shitty callers clogging the lines and inept phone screeners and a host that has to deal with what he has to play with

[TjM]

that i blame on shitty callers clogging the lines and inept phone screeners and a host that has to deal with what he has to play with

Marry me :wub:

[TjM]

More than anything I blame the callers. These people bashing Fez are the same exact fuckers telling Dave Casey woul leave him. I firmly believe that

[disneyspy]

Marry me :wub:

franklyn?

[TjM]

You also take anyone who supports Dave as being anti-Fez.

As everyone does when one supports Fez on the oppisite end

[mikeyboy]

As everyone does when one supports Fez on the oppisite end

Very true a lot of the time.

[TjM]

I blame Mikeyboy


When he had power this shit wasn't happening

[TjM]

We should Paul Heyman this shit


The Pepper and Dave show

We toss both Ron and Fez

[TjM]

Featuring the little red head girl

[mikeyboy]

We should Paul Heyman this shit


The Pepper and Dave show

We toss both Ron and Fez

Hmmmmm....

The Fast Freddie Show!!!!!

[ShowerBench]

Absolute 100% bullshit.

I know you love to paint yourself as the only one who supports Fez, but it's crap. I think most of us do want to see Fez improve. I know I do.

You also take anyone who supports Dave as being anti-Fez. That's also crap. Many of us support both and want to see both succeed. Just because you've picked teams doesn't mean everyone else has.

That's crazy. There are several exceptions here to people who seize any opportunity to trash Fez - but they are exceptions.

Where is your proof that I take anyone who supports Dave as anti-Fez? The OP was a response to the callers today who went overboard with their reactions to Fez's hilariously catty remarks.

I want to see both succeed as well. Dave is funny sometimes. I've seen NO indication from Fez that he has it out for Dave or is in any way threatened by him or out to undermine his success on Ron and Fez or in radio. Does he suspect that Dave disrespects him and resent it? Yes - and Dave proved him right (again) today.

[Serpico1103]

i would think seeing a therapist would be a sign of trying to change but as i pointed out before i dont believe its about fez so much as i think its about the posters that just cant accept the show is different from what they remember,believe me its alot different from the 12 year break i had from the buddays but i can accept it,its still good entertainment

If I go to gym and don't workout, then go home and eat like a pig. Am I trying to lose weight?
Seeing a therapist is the first (maybe second to realizing you have a problem) and smallest step to getting better.

The show is different. I had no problem when it changed time slots and the dynamic changed. I liked the show when it went to XM, a major change. I liked when they did two a days.
I have no problem with change. But, getting frustrated with something changing for the worse, should not be characterized as "being a pussy afraid of change."

[underdog]

Absolute 100% bullshit.

I know you love to paint yourself as the only one who supports Fez, but it's crap. I think most of us do want to see Fez improve. I know I do.

You also take anyone who supports Dave as being anti-Fez. That's also crap. Many of us support both and want to see both succeed. Just because you've picked teams doesn't mean everyone else has.

You're the problem.

[samnyc]

Fez has been told what to do many times and hasn't followed through. He needs to get out of his apartment and have life experiences. If he simply walked around the city, visited museums, ate at restaurants, joined a meetup group, become politically active, worked for the census bureau, or volunteered at hospitals and cardiac rehab centers, then he would have topics for natural conversations on the show instead of the weird stuff he brings up and ragging on poor Dave. Even if he stays inside he could watch sports, tv shows, and movies, listen to movies or read books.

[Sudsy Mug Saloon]

I will take the word of a trained physician over that over a person who suffered a (likely minor) case of the ailment.


Yeah a trained physician that sends drugs up for the boys. Real ethical. No need to jump all over a guy who says he had the same condition.

[Serpico1103]

Yeah a trained physician that sends drugs up for the boys. Real ethical. No need to jump all over a guy who says he had the same condition.

Mikeyboy's polite, unemotional responses were completely unwarranted. Hope SB is ok.

[Sue_Bender]

Mikeyboy's polite, unemotional responses were completely unwarranted. Hope SB is ok.

Mikeyboy was out of line.

[red_red_red]

i wish i had the time to defend a person on the radio...i would love to defend ppl i have never met or have a close personal relationship to.

i am in pain right now but i will take some Tylenol and hope it works like it did when i was 15.

if that doesn't work i shall defend strangers on the interwebs with my big sword


http://monsterdonut.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/he-man.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

More than anything I blame the callers. These people bashing Fez are the same exact fuckers telling Dave Casey woul leave him. I firmly believe that

Thats not true. Not entirely anyway.

[JBLouisville]

I can imagine a 15 year old is better equiped to defeat a viral infection compared to a stressed by life, kid in the hospital, boss is crazy, alcoholic, smoker.

Fez, good run ole chap. Move aside, Beard Contest 2.

Bottom line, ESD is great radio and can get even better given confidence and guidance.

[Pitdoc]

So this makes you some kind of expert?

Clearly, with any condition there are varying degrees of severity. I know nothing about the condition, but if Dr. Steve says it can be more painful than a heart attack, I'll take his word for it over your anecdotal evidence.

I agree. When I listened to what Dave was talking about on Special Delivery,I was thinking either costochondritis or pericarditis( which worsens when you sit up and lean forward) . Pericarditis can come in all shapes & sizes to,and depends on the patient.A stressed alcoholic.. well..Dr Steve was right to tell him to go get checked out. And he should take some time off.

On the other hand, once he gets back, he's got to deal with the MIA situation...

[Space Edge]

Most people on this board hope Fez doesn't get better and hope even harder when he does improve.

I hope Fez gets better but I don't think Fez wants to get better and he most likely won't b/c he isn't willing to put in the work it takes to get better. If he did he would take the necessary steps to get better. Like finding a person willing to treat him and work with his issues. If his shrink isn't doing the job he needs to find a new one. Or start telling the current one exactly what his problems are. Maybe trying different combinations of medications and taking them when Rx'd instead of giving up on them. He is what they call treatment resistant, rather then working on himself he just gave up.

[A.J.]

http://data.koolkrazy.com/EpisodeGuides/CharacterImages/Startrek_The_Next_Generation/TNGJeanLucPicard.jpg

Picardiditus. Make it so.

Periclesditis. Athens rules!

http://tekmessa.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/pericles.jpg

[yojimbo7248]

I meant more of a phony character. Jezo plays a role that at times has you wonder where the person ends and the character begins.

SB is just pathetic.

You mean SB isn't a phony character?

[yojimbo7248]

Most people on this board hope Fez doesn't get better and hope even harder when he does improve.

I don't understand how you can say that. I know it is your shtick to be the Fez defender but you really think most people on the board don't want Fez to go back to being the fun, light-hearted Fez that we all loved? I'm sure you don't and are just writing in character.

[yojimbo7248]

Absolute 100% bullshit.

I know you love to paint yourself as the only one who supports Fez, but it's crap. I think most of us do want to see Fez improve. I know I do.

You also take anyone who supports Dave as being anti-Fez. That's also crap. Many of us support both and want to see both succeed. Just because you've picked teams doesn't mean everyone else has.

oops, I see mikeyboy had already responded and put it much better than i did.

[Serpico1103]

You mean SB isn't a phony character?
SB is a transparent boring character. Jezo is a multi-layered engaging poster.

Now, I am starting hoping esd leaves the show. Let fez crash and burn or have him get better. Just end this purgatory, waiting.

Fez is coming off as a stupid ass. He understands all heart conditions and how they affect everyone because he had his own issues; completely different than ESD's. They treat heart attacks with more immediacy not because of the pain!

[ShowerBench]

I don't understand how you can say that. I know it is your shtick to be the Fez defender but you really think most people on the board don't want Fez to go back to being the fun, light-hearted Fez that we all loved? I'm sure you don't and are just writing in character.

There is an odd resistance to acknowledging that Fez shows up at the top or near-top of his game, that manifests either in the form of denying it or ratcheting up the criticism on those days/weeks/months.

It might be true that most here would like to see Fez back at 100% Fez, but in the meantime they would rather undermine him with negative and contemptuous posts, calls, etc. even if they know it contributes to his lack of confidence and encourages Dave to do the same on the air. (There are some pals of Dave who would like to see Fez crash and burn.)

And there was little comment on Dave's meltdown yesterday, during which he called Fez a "cocksucker," revealed that he disrespects Fez for "not showing up for a thousand shows," and indicated he believes he is doing Ron and Fez a favor by filling in on mic.

So a case can be made..

[Dougie Brootal]

There is an odd resistance to acknowledging that Fez shows up at the top or near-top of his game, that manifests either in the form of denying it or ratcheting up the criticism on those days/weeks/months.

It might be true that most here would like to see Fez back at 100% Fez, but in the meantime they would rather undermine him with negative and contemptuous posts, calls, etc. even if they know it contributes to his lack of confidence and encourages Dave to do the same on the air. (There are some pals of Dave who would like to see Fez crash and burn.)

And there was little comment on Dave's meltdown yesterday, during which he called Fez a "cocksucker," revealed that he disrespects Fez for "not showing up for a thousand shows," and indicated he believes he is doing Ron and Fez a favor by filling in on mic.

So a case can be made..

if the instances youre referring to are indeed "fez at the top of his game" than fez needs to quit the show immediately.

i think most people (besides you) realize that fez has not been anywhere near the top of his game for at least 6 years.

[ShowerBench]

fez needs to quit the show immediately.


Exhibit A

[yojimbo7248]

There is an odd resistance to acknowledging that Fez shows up at the top or near-top of his game, that manifests either in the form of denying it or ratcheting up the criticism on those days/weeks/months.

It might be true that most here would like to see Fez back at 100% Fez, but in the meantime they would rather undermine him with negative and contemptuous posts, calls, etc. even if they know it contributes to his lack of confidence and encourages Dave to do the same on the air. (There are some pals of Dave who would like to see Fez crash and burn.)

And there was little comment on Dave's meltdown yesterday, during which he called Fez a "cocksucker," revealed that he disrespects Fez for "not showing up for a thousand shows," and indicated he believes he is doing Ron and Fez a favor by filling in on mic.

So a case can be made..

Looks like we can agree that this Fez vs Dave bit is getting dull. Hopefully Dave will soon move on to greener pastures. Fez will then return to his full 100% and we can stop this boring Team Fez vs Team Dave pro-wrestling crap.

[Dougie Brootal]

...Fez is a "cocksucker," ...disrespect Fez for "not showing up for a thousand shows,"

i can quote stuff out of context too.

[ShowerBench]

i can quote stuff out of context too.

I try not to be as lame as deliberately taking things out of context unless it's for fun.

I don't think the qualifier mattered. You said if my examples were evidence of Fez in top form then he needs to "quit the show immediately." Why would a ronfez.net poster's opinion on what was working compel you to declare that Fez should leave the show immediately? It's that declaration that I was commenting on - what's the point of making it other than tearing down Fez? The entire statement doesn't become less potent evidence that this is the intent of many posters here and that your comment was another example.

[yojimbo7248]

Exhibit A

ha, Fez's boring lawyer character speaks again

[Dougie Brootal]

I try not to be as lame as deliberately taking things out of context unless it's for fun.

I don't think the qualifier mattered. You said if my examples were evidence of Fez in top form then he needs to "quit the show immediately." Why would a ronfez.net poster's opinion on what was working compel you to declare that Fez should leave the show immediately? It's that declaration that I was commenting on - what's the point of making it other than tearing down Fez? The entire statement doesn't become less potent evidence that this is the intent of many posters here and that your comment was another example.


Because it doesn't work. If fez had not been on this show for20 years and was a new co host, he would be fired for not being able to perform his job. I don't really wanna tear fez down, although I admit I have been in my recent posts, I just want him to put us out of our misery. I used to be interested in fez and his overcoming his issues. I used to actually email back and forth with him. Not saying we were friends or buddys, but id email advice or my thoughts on his issues that he brought up on air and he would respond and have a brief conversation with me on it. But now that its obvious to me that he doesn't want to fix it and isn't interested in getting better, I'm no longer interested in hearing it. Obviously I'm not the only one...

[Crispy123]

Because it doesn't work. If fez had not been on this show for20 years and was a new co host, he would be fired for not being able to perform his job. I don't really wanna tear fez down, although I admit I have been in my recent posts, I just want him to put us out of our misery. I used to be interested in fez and his overcoming his issues. I used to actually email back and forth with him. Not saying we were friends or buddys, but id email advice or my thoughts on his issues that he brought up on air and he would respond and have a brief conversation with me on it. But now that its obvious to me that he doesn't want to fix it and isn't interested in getting better, I'm no longer interested in hearing it. Obviously I'm not the only one...

If you have a problem with the show because of Fez then you don't get the show. How many times has Ron said that a shit ton of people do this with Fez and exactly what the end result is?

And Dave is just the worst and this constant trying to gain sympathy from the listeners with the kid "issues" and heart "problems" is sooo lame. :thumbdown:

[Dougie Brootal]

If you have a problem with the show because of Fez then you don't get the show. How many times has Ron said that a shit ton of people do this with Fez and exactly what the end result is?

And Dave is just the worst and this constant trying to gain sympathy from the listeners with the kid "issues" and heart "problems" is sooo lame. :thumbdown:

i dont understand how having a conversation with co-host means i dont get the show.

[TripleSkeet]

If you have a problem with the show because of Fez then you don't get the show. How many times has Ron said that a shit ton of people do this with Fez and exactly what the end result is?

And Dave is just the worst and this constant trying to gain sympathy from the listeners with the kid "issues" and heart "problems" is sooo lame. :thumbdown:

We "get" whats entertaining and whats not, dope. Daves entertaining, Fez? Well these days, not so much.

[TripleSkeet]

Looks like we can agree that this Fez vs Dave bit is getting dull. Hopefully Dave will soon move on to greener pastures. Fez will then return to his full 100% and we can stop this boring Team Fez vs Team Dave pro-wrestling crap.

Thats the only part of this statement I agree with. The show without Dave would be ALOT less entertaining.

[Dougie Brootal]

also, nothing screams, "I have no valid points to argue with you!", louder than an accusation that we just dont "get" the show.:wink:

[KnoxHarrington]

I got tired of the show when it became Ronnie dominating the discussion and slapping down the rather tepid attempts that people like ESD made to differ with him, and Fezzie occasionally piping in with some completely different topic at random, like, "So what kind of cheese do you think is best on a ham sandwich?"

The show in its current form is just uninteresting to me.

[Dogfather]

And Dave is just the worst and this constant trying to gain sympathy from the listeners with the kid "issues" and heart "problems" is sooo lame. :thumbdown:

I guess that having real life problems cannot bring sympathy as opposed to elevator scares and having a fake secret.

Supporting Dave doesn't mean that you hate Fez and vice versa. I like Fez but the comments he had about Dave's illness were just too much. Even Dave asked Ron if Fez's reaction was a bit.

[Hithead]

I only hope that Dave's heart condition proves to be fatal.

[Sue_Bender]

I only hope that Dave's heart condition proves to be fatal.

Thanks for shitting sunshine,





you wretched twit.

[Crispy123]

We "get" whats entertaining and whats not, dope. Daves entertaining, Fez? Well these days, not so much.

I think we can all at least agree that they are both infintely more entertaining than you, dork.

[hydee]

I don't understand how you can say that. I know it is your shtick to be the Fez defender but you really think most people on the board don't want Fez to go back to being the fun, light-hearted Fez that we all loved? I'm sure you don't and are just writing in character.

I think the light hearted Fez that you love was an act. Regardless of what he was like before, I think the person he is now, is who he is. I think that Fez lost a lot of himself and I don't think that Fez is coming back. It might be best if you said goodbye to that guy and embrace who Fez is now, and who he will become.

[TjM]

I only hope that Dave's heart condition proves to be fatal.

Fuck you.

See what's this shit has become

"Fez should give Dave all of his paycheck and Fez is a fag"

"Dave should die"

Lather, Rinse, Repeat

[TjM]

Fuck it Ron and Joe Rogan featuring Pepper Hicks 2011

[TripleSkeet]

I think we can all at least agree that they are both infintely more entertaining than you, dork.

Good one.

[TjM]

Good one.

Almost as good as your "Dropped like 8th grade algbra" line :bye:


Sorry Skeet love ya but that line was horrendous

[TjM]

I just miss the days when Dave and Fez both got along. I know those days are probaly gone. Not sure I would choose a one or the other alternative

[TripleSkeet]

Almost as good as your "Dropped like 8th grade algbra" line :bye:


Sorry Skeet love ya but that line was horrendous

Dude it was 3rd period french! And it was intentional. Its a line from Oceans 11!