The End is Nigh ???

[Mitch&Murray]

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Todays blow up with Dave calling Fez a fucking cocksucker got me to wondering is the end of the ESD producer of the Ron and Fez show in the near future?
He is experiencing severe financial problems from what weve been told. He seems to have a definite problem with the co host as well as management at Sirius XM.

Is he not long for the show?

What do you think?

If this turns into a bash Fez or ESD thread I would ask the Mods to lock it

[Hepcat22]

As Iris might say, Fez has been a tiger the last two days. :happy:

[Gerald]

I missed another epic blowup? Goddammit. Replay feels so far away.

It's very compelling radio when Dave and Fez get into it, but it's also very heartbreaking that talented and vital show members burden themselves with the weight of mutually carried bad blood.

[Recyclerz]

My guess would be that the Ron & Fez Show goes away when their current contract with Sirius expires and that Ron puts together a new crew/show. There is a lot more disdain than li'l Budday affection beaming off Ron towards Fez these days.

[Penelope]

Haven't heard it yet. But does this mean Dave is out of the hospital and feeling better?!!!
Yay!
I will always listen to and be a fan of Ron and Fez, even if Dave leaves (fan since 2001)
I will follow Dave off a cliff though. I will do anything for him. Will support any and all creative projects he ever pursues. When I joined the Davepound, I joined for life. He is a really unique and amazing person. A shining star, in a world of dead eyed zombies. He cheers me up ,and makes me laugh even on my worst days. :wub: Davey Mac
:wub: Ron and Fez

[Space Edge]

Without Dave Ron had to bring 2 or 3 other people to help out with the show. I don't think Dave will be forced to leave if anything he might leave on his own whether it be for a better job in radio or a different career. If that happens I don't see the show going on for much longer.

[Penelope]

Ron and Fez have gone away a few times before. They always pop back back up somewhere though.
I have faith, or maybe just wishful thinking. Cause the talk radio market is dying :(

[danner1515]

Without Dave Ron had to bring 2 or 3 other people to help out with the show. I don't think Dave will be forced to leave if anything he might leave on his own whether it be for a better job in radio or a different career. If that happens I don't see the show going on for much longer.
Yeah, last Thursday's show was clear proof that Fez can barely do radio anymore. Dave's departure would kill the show.

[jmcp1947]

Since they both have Heart problems, maybe they need a referee to calm them down or stop the horseshit before someone dies. Maybe provoking them is not the right thing to do right now.

[jmcp1947]

Fez is a basket case to begin with. He feels pressure from Dave. XM has been kind in keeping him. He rarely even speaks and when he does, he acts like an old Bitch. I usually have to turn thr radio off or change the station. Fez ruins the show.

[torker]

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The sherriff is a nigh...

[Crispy123]

What did he say?


The sheriff is near???

[Meataball23]

My guess would be that the Ron & Fez Show goes away when their current contract with Sirius expires and that Ron puts together a new crew/show. There is a lot more disdain than li'l Budday affection beaming off Ron towards Fez these days.

Totally agree with this.

[torker]

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[ShowerBench]

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Todays blow up with Dave calling Fez a fucking cocksucker got me to wondering is the end of the ESD producer of the Ron and Fez show in the near future?
He is experiencing severe financial problems from what weve been told. He seems to have a definite problem with the co host as well as management at Sirius XM.

Is he not long for the show?

What do you think?

If this turns into a bash Fez or ESD thread I would ask the Mods to lock it

Maybe it will be a catalyst to ESD figuring out a way to continue to occupy a position, with a more appropriately humble attitude, on his dream show, Ron and Fez, while building his career using the additional time he's been offered on Saturday nights and getting serious about finding a more permanent position.

From everything he says on the air, this would require additional income that will not be forthcoming from Sirius. I hope he finds a way. I like Dave.

[STC-Dub]

I hope not. They are the only reason I have XM. I could handle not having Fez -- but would rather not -- if Ron is still on the air. But, I am starting to worry that the show as we know it might not be around much longer.

[wk3636]

It seems like ESD is bulletproof. The last couple of times he has really gone after Fez, Fez was basically speechless. Fez didn't seem to mind being called cocksucker today. Especially compared to yesterday when he got upset at Franklyn for... still not exactly sure why he was mad at Franklyn??? I don't think one rube out there thought for a second, Franklyn of all people, was getting strong with Fez.

[The Nature Boy]

There is no sustainability to a Ron and Stunt Boy show. Ron and Fez need to get things right, but there is history and a track record there.

Believe me, if Dave were cast into the catbird seat, this would be a downward spiral of a shitshow. He's used PERFECTLY here. He is too influenced and tries when being "seriously" to channel Ron too much. There is no contrast or conflict. Ron and Fez were quite different and still are and is where the bread is buttered.

Trying not to be negative here, just think show structure. I wish all parties well, especially Stan and Dave with their physical challenges I pray they wake up healed from tomorrow. I didn't hear today's blowup, but I'm eager to, someone post some audio!

[conman823]

Sad to read about all these situations on here lately. I stopped listening about a year ago when I personelly felt the show wasn't for me anymore. I listened since 2000 to all the different show "evolutions" but this XM Version really started to just annoy me. Ron and Fez's apparent "tension", and I never really could absorb this whole ESD rules the show shit that everyone else seemed to subscribe too. Ron and Fez just wasn't the same show, it was Ron and Monkey Shit throw boy w/ Some Old Queen show. Not a bash just an opinion. I'm not gonna waste time with bashing anyone, it just wasn't for me anymore.

Either way if they did leave after this contract I would miss what was, but certainly not what is.

[keithy_19]

I do miss the wnew days.

Maybe the show needs more Joe Poo.

[conman823]

Lord knows it needs more Iris.

[Crash]

"If it's on the air, it's a work".

If Dave leaves the show, it's because he's counting the lights.

[UnknownPD]

Let's face it the entire channel seems worn out. O&A have lost their magic and it is getting near impossible listening to Ron try and lift the show by himself.

I never thought I'd say it, but it might be time to put the show to bed permanently.

[deliciousV]

The last 2 days without Dave, Fez has been more involved and less herky jerky, not the old Fez for sure, but better. I think taking away the constant security blanket is his only hope. Dave has developed a very short fuse for Fez, no ball busting or ribbing allowed, he goes right for the throat now, that being said, Fez is over critical of Dave now and shows disdain for him most of the time. I think Fez is uncomfortable around Dave now and doesn't talk alot for fear of sounding, and being made to feel stupid. Fez's name is on the show, if it can be saved it'll be saved by Dave moving on.

[TripleSkeet]

It seems the only time Dave goes off on Fez is when Fez brings personal issues (His wife, his health, his kids) into it and is basically insulting in it. Today he made it sound like Dave was milking an injury to have time off, when Dave basically had a condition that is alot more painful then Fezs 2 heart attacks. I cant blame him. Its one thing to break balls, but Fez just brings up subjects that he has no business talking about. I think Dave has been more patient then most. Alot of guys wouldve knocked the shit out of Fez for talking about his family like he does.

In my opinion the show isnt even half as good without Dave. Ron is brilliant and as long as hes on the air I will continue to listen. He can do an incredible radio show with a broom. Which is basically what hes been doing the last 3 days. Fez could leave tomorrow as far as Im concerned and the show wouldnt miss a beat.

[JBLouisville]

Dave Pound.

Fez is done. The nail in the coffin for me was the "Change" discussion and Ron using that topic to hurl Fez into a crying fit.


Alllllll Righty Then.

[danner1515]

There is no sustainability to a Ron and Stunt Boy show. Ron and Fez need to get things right, but there is history and a track record there.

Believe me, if Dave were cast into the catbird seat, this would be a downward spiral of a shitshow. He's used PERFECTLY here. He is too influenced and tries when being "seriously" to channel Ron too much. There is no contrast or conflict. Ron and Fez were quite different and still are and is where the bread is buttered.

But what's the alternative? Ron desperately trying to get a conversation out of Fez that doesn't involve gay issues or crazy talk? I hate to say it, but I really just don't think Fez is mentally and emotionally healthy enough to co-host a show anymore. It's telling when people are quick to pat him on the back for getting a couple of good lines in on a show. Have his expectations on the show been lowered that much?

I understand that the man is working on a lot of issues that I couldn't imagine having to deal with, but I have a really hard time believing that having him on the air is really helping him out.

[Meataball23]

It seems the only time Dave goes off on Fez is when Fez brings personal issues (His wife, his health, his kids) into it and is basically insulting in it. Today he made it sound like Dave was milking an injury to have time off, when Dave basically had a condition that is alot more painful then Fezs 2 heart attacks. I cant blame him. Its one thing to break balls, but Fez just brings up subjects that he has no business talking about. I think Dave has been more patient then most. Alot of guys wouldve knocked the shit out of Fez for talking about his family like he does.

In my opinion the show isnt even half as good without Dave. Ron is brilliant and as long as hes on the air I will continue to listen. He can do an incredible radio show with a broom. Which is basically what hes been doing the last 3 days. Fez could leave tomorrow as far as Im concerned and the show wouldnt miss a beat.

100% agree with this...well said

But what's the alternative? Ron desperately trying to get a conversation out of Fez that doesn't involve gay issues or crazy talk? I hate to say it, but I really just don't think Fez is mentally and emotionally healthy enough to co-host a show anymore. It's telling when people are quick to pat him on the back for getting a couple of good lines in on a show. Have his expectations on the show been lowered that much?

I understand that the man is working on a lot of issues that I couldn't imagine having to deal with, but I have a really hard time believing that having him on the air is really helping him out.

Ive been saying this on this site for a while and totally agree. Fez needs a leave of absence. Im not saying kick him off and replace him with ESD, im saying Fez needs to leave for 3/4months to travel and work on perspective. For the last 3 years we've been listening to a talented man completely unravel. Its been infuriating/sad/confusing/frustrating and everywhere in between. The guy needs to be pulled out of this spiral (he'll most likely be kicking and screaming) and someone needs to book him a bunch of hotel rooms and get him a europass. He'll be back for the new fall season refreshed with tons of stories. Why cant this happen??

[ShowerBench]

It seems the only time Dave goes off on Fez is when Fez brings personal issues (His wife, his health, his kids) into it and is basically insulting in it. Today he made it sound like Dave was milking an injury to have time off, when Dave basically had a condition that is alot more painful then Fezs 2 heart attacks. I cant blame him. Its one thing to break balls, but Fez just brings up subjects that he has no business talking about. I think Dave has been more patient then most. Alot of guys wouldve knocked the shit out of Fez for talking about his family like he does..

Today's show was excellent and funny from start to end. It was a Ron and Fez show.

Fez was hilarious needling Dave for faking it and Dave and his whiny callers were ridiculous with their "oh the humanity" overwrought reactions.

Dave is obligated to be "patient" because hosts are entitled to laugh at the toothaches and pericarditis of staffers. A lot of guys would have knocked the shit out of Fez? No, they would thank him for the opportunity to be mocked on their dream radio show.

In my opinion the show isnt even half as good without Dave.

Agree, it's at least twice as good.

[ShowerBench]

But what's the alternative? Ron desperately trying to get a conversation out of Fez that doesn't involve gay issues or crazy talk?

Ridiculous. Ron isn't desperately anything. Today he brought up and discussed a number of topics including gay issues and crazy talk with Fez, Pepper, and callers, and everyone seemed to be having a good time except Dave and his concerned and poutraged callers.

[TripleSkeet]

Today's show was excellent and funny from start to end. It was a Ron and Fez show.

Fez was hilarious needling Dave for faking it and Dave and his whiny callers were ridiculous with their "oh the humanity" overwrought reactions.

Dave is obligated to be "patient" because hosts are entitled to laugh at the toothaches and pericarditis of staffers. A lot of guys would have knocked the shit out of Fez? No, they would thank him for the opportunity to be mocked on their dream radio show.



Agree, it's at least twice as good.

I already know youre opinion, no need to try and change mine. The show today was very entertaining. Because of Ron.

[Meataball23]

I already know youre opinion, no need to try and change mine. The show today was very entertaining. Because of Ron.

x2

SB's character is growing on me though. I really dig the blind unwaivering love angle.

[disgruntledsherpa]

There is no sustainability to a Ron and Stunt Boy show. Ron and Fez need to get things right, but there is history and a track record there.

Believe me, if Dave were cast into the catbird seat, this would be a downward spiral of a shitshow. He's used PERFECTLY here. He is too influenced and tries when being "seriously" to channel Ron too much. There is no contrast or conflict. Ron and Fez were quite different and still are and is where the bread is buttered.

Trying not to be negative here, just think show structure. I wish all parties well, especially Stan and Dave with their physical challenges I pray they wake up healed from tomorrow. I didn't hear today's blowup, but I'm eager to, someone post some audio!

The show has been awesome this week and I'm not a Dave hater. But without Dave there Fez is a different person and is funny as hell.

How Dave gets away with calling his boss a "cocksucker" is beyond me. It goes without saying in any other job he'd be fired on the spot.

I agree that Dave is used great as a third mic. As a host or as a cohost he's awful.

The Ron and Dave show would basically be:

Ron: Dave, I really am a big fan of The Band.
Dave: yep, Mister B. They're great.
Ron: I'm a really big fan of Quentin Tarantino.
Dave: Yep, Mister B. He's great.

And so on and so forth.

[TripleSkeet]

The show has been awesome this week and I'm not a Dave hater. But without Dave there Fez is a different person and is funny as hell.

How Dave gets away with calling his boss a "cocksucker" is beyond me. It goes without saying in any other job he'd be fired on the spot.

I agree that Dave is used great as a third mic. As a host or as a cohost he's awful.

The Ron and Dave show would basically be:

Ron: Dave, I really am a big fan of The Band.
Dave: yep, Mister B. They're great.
Ron: I'm a really big fan of Quentin Tarantino.
Dave: Yep, Mister B. He's great.

And so on and so forth.

So Ron and Dave never disagree? I must be listening to a different show.

[Melk]

So Ron and Dave never disagree? I must be listening to a different show.
A Dave v. Ron disagreement has much back and forth as a Fezzy Rooney complaint moment.

[danner1515]

The show has been awesome this week and I'm not a Dave hater. But without Dave there Fez is a different person and is funny as hell.

How Dave gets away with calling his boss a "cocksucker" is beyond me. It goes without saying in any other job he'd be fired on the spot.

I agree that Dave is used great as a third mic. As a host or as a cohost he's awful.

The Ron and Dave show would basically be:

Ron: Dave, I really am a big fan of The Band.
Dave: yep, Mister B. They're great.
Ron: I'm a really big fan of Quentin Tarantino.
Dave: Yep, Mister B. He's great.

And so on and so forth.

As opposed to the current show, which goes something like:

Ron: Dave, I really am a big fan of The Band.
Dave: yep, Mister B. They're great.
Ron: I'm a really big fan of Quentin Tarantino.
Dave: Yep, Mister B. He's great.
Fez: [silence]
Ron: How can I pull you into this big cat?
Fez: Um... uh... So I was riding in the elevator this morning--
Ron: Tom in Boston, you're on Ron & Fez.

[kratos]

Ron dresses Fez down, on the air, about his behavior and work performance in a mostly serious manner. That's really all the proof I need of the show's dynamics.

[disgruntledsherpa]

As opposed to the current show, which goes something like:

Ron: Dave, I really am a big fan of The Band.
Dave: yep, Mister B. They're great.
Ron: I'm a really big fan of Quentin Tarantino.
Dave: Yep, Mister B. He's great.
Fez: [silence]
Ron: How can I pull you into this big cat?
Fez: Um... uh... So I was riding in the elevator this morning--
Ron: Tom in Boston, you're on Ron & Fez.

As I said, when Dave is there Fez takes a back seat as Dave pretty slobbers over Ron. The last few days without Dave and past Days without Dave Fez has been much more active, they've been having great conversations and Fez has actually been funny.

[ShowerBench]

As opposed to the current show, which goes something like:

Ron: Dave, I really am a big fan of The Band.
Dave: yep, Mister B. They're great.
Ron: I'm a really big fan of Quentin Tarantino.
Dave: Yep, Mister B. He's great.
Fez: [silence]
Ron: How can I pull you into this big cat?
Fez: Um... uh... So I was riding in the elevator this morning--
Ron: Tom in Boston, you're on Ron & Fez.

The last four lines are the funniest.

[fezident]

I don't always know when Fez is being serious.

Was Fez REALLY so distraught over the death of his 90+ year old grandmother that he was going to dig up her corpse??
Does Fez REALLY collect his nail clippings, and... if yes... does he REALLY think it's not all that abnormal to do so?
Does Fez REALLY not grasp the concept that there's a difference between a heart attack and a heart-sack infection??



and so on and so on.

Surely, these are bits. Fez is a sensitive fellow but, he's not a retard.
I don't know what's going on lately but, the show is tense & weird. I'm riveted.

[Kublakhan61]

Surely, these are bits. Fez is a sensitive fellow but, he's not a retard.
I don't know what's going on lately but, the show is tense & weird. I'm riveted.

The voice of reason. I'm with this completely.
Very Tense. Very Weird. Still Very Funny.

[yojimbo7248]

x2

SB's character is growing on me though. I really dig the blind unwaivering love angle.

SB is just a tad too monotone in her unwaivering Fez love. Throw in a bit of stalker craziness in there and the character would get interesting. Right now she just sounds like a lawyer Fez has hired to dryly counter every critical point made against him.

[TheCableNazi]

I typed out 2 paragraphs before deciding what I typed could easily be construed as "bashing" Fez.

I'll just say this: listening to the same conversation everyday is getting beyond old.

[The Dirka]

i still can't tell if this entire show is a work or not. i've been listening for about 3 years now and I still haven't quite decided. the fez character is so insane and unlikable I just don't see how ron could continue to do a show with him if that is really how he is.

i'd like to think its all an act but being quiet for 2 hours straight on your own show and the constant crying and shit would be an amazing con if thats what it is.

ron defiantly seems to have changed his attitude towards fez in the last few months. it almost seems like he is trying to push fez towards the realization that he needs to leave the show instead of just coming out and tell him to gtfo. maybe its an act or maybe its him being loyal to a longtime friend, who knows.

its pretty clear the show cant sustain itself for much longer in its current state. i would personally have no problem with a ron and dave show with a couple producers. i enjoy the shows when fez is out and ron and dave get a chance to talk about sports and music and movies and other stuff that fez doesn't seem to care about. dave does seem to agree with ron a lot but I think if he were to become an official co-host that would probably change over time as he got more comfortable with it.

the whole thing is very interesting which is what makes me cling to the though that we're all just being worked like a bunch of midway rubes.

[Dirtbag]

ron defiantly seems to have changed his attitude towards fez in the last few months. it almost seems like he is trying to push fez towards the realization that he needs to leave the show instead of just coming out and tell him to gtfo. maybe its an act or maybe its him being loyal to a longtime friend, who knows.

Ron has said several times that he would never break up with girls, he would just turn into such an asshole that they would leave him.

[Meataball23]

SB is just a tad too monotone in her unwaivering Fez love. Throw in a bit of stalker craziness in there and the character would get interesting. Right now she just sounds like a lawyer Fez has hired to dryly counter every critical point made against him.

SB is a woman!?! Holy shit I did not see that coming.

And now that you mention the shrill lawyer angle I laughed thinking of the behind the laughter simpsons episode. "That is assault!!"

[Meataball23]

i still can't tell if this entire show is a work or not. i've been listening for about 3 years now and I still haven't quite decided. the fez character is so insane and unlikable I just don't see how ron could continue to do a show with him if that is really how he is.

i'd like to think its all an act but being quiet for 2 hours straight on your own show and the constant crying and shit would be an amazing con if thats what it is.

ron defiantly seems to have changed his attitude towards fez in the last few months. it almost seems like he is trying to push fez towards the realization that he needs to leave the show instead of just coming out and tell him to gtfo. maybe its an act or maybe its him being loyal to a longtime friend, who knows.

its pretty clear the show cant sustain itself for much longer in its current state. i would personally have no problem with a ron and dave show with a couple producers. i enjoy the shows when fez is out and ron and dave get a chance to talk about sports and music and movies and other stuff that fez doesn't seem to care about. dave does seem to agree with ron a lot but I think if he were to become an official co-host that would probably change over time as he got more comfortable with it.

the whole thing is very interesting which is what makes me cling to the though that we're all just being worked like a bunch of midway rubes.

100% agree with what you wrote. I listened religiously when I was in high school and they were on wnew, I missed the JFK days when I was in college, and I bought xm when they first announced they were coming to satellite so I can say this....I would not be surprised in the least if it came out that this is all a work.

With that said, and I meant to quote it but forgot, that its factually correct that Ron has said that hes never fired anyone and didnt break up with girls; he just became such an asshole that they had no choice but to leave and it seems (to me at least) painfully obvious that this is the beginning stages of that.

Ron has the patience of a saint. Not only from a friendship standpoint but from a talent development angle. Ron is a modern renaissance man. He can speak to a super wide variety of topics, be funny, poignant, angry, sensitive, and come off sounding like the smartest person in the room without being condescending...not to mention the fact that hes the best interviewer on the planet.

It has to be one of the most frustrating experiences on a day to day basis to have all this talent and have to come in and deal with the albatross that his partner has become. Ron is a man of the world but has to deal with insane grandma stories...I dont know how he has held it together for this long.

[dereckfishboy]

How Dave gets away with calling his boss a "cocksucker" is beyond me. It goes without saying in any other job he'd be fired on the spot.


You've obviously never been a Teamster, I've said and done WAY worse in the past without a hiccup. PLENTY of jobs out there like that, buddy, and most of the ones I've seen don't have "the entertainment of the customer" as a possible result. Spend a few years not giving a shit if you get fired or not, sometimes you'll be shocked how much you can actually get a way with.


Ron has the patience of a saint. Not only from a friendship standpoint but from a talent development angle.

Absolutely. There were soooo many incidents with Earl on the air in which, were I Ron, I'd absolutely never talk to the guy outside of work ever again.

[ShowerBench]

ron defiantly seems to have changed his attitude towards fez in the last few months. it almost seems like he is trying to push fez towards the realization that he needs to leave the show instead of just coming out and tell him to gtfo.


What a load, and an offensive one.

What's next at <del>rondave.net</del> dave.net?

[Dan 'Hampton]

SB is Fez.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What a load, and an offensive one.



Ron's done it to producers. Why WOULDN'T he do it to Fez?

It's basically like Ron is playing a Machiavellian game of who blinks first - Dave or Fez.

[Dougie Brootal]

No way. SB can at least articulate her points. Ill informed as they may be...

[Dougie Brootal]

SB is Fez.


I meant to quote this in my last post.

[StanUpshaw]

No way. SB can at least articulate her points. Ill informed as they may be...

Fezzie's sister then. She gets off the phone with him and posts here.

[SouthSideJohnny]

I think it's time for more Hicks. His role has been limited, but everything he says lately kills.

[StanUpshaw]

I think it's time for more Hicks. His role has been limited, but everything he says lately kills.

He's batting about .789 on one-liners, but does he really have much to offer in the way of discussion?

[deliciousV]

I think it's time for more Hicks. His role has been limited, but everything he says lately kills.

Hicks is perfect for the show, and he seems to appreciate the gift he has been given.
I am amazed at the people who truly believe that Dave is doing the right thing by telling Fez off and calling him names, these people must be self employed or independently wealthy, either way if Dave is reading any of this you are filling him with a bravado that will burn him in the end, because he will go too far.
And I don't have anything against Dave, but you have to be in denial if you don't see that Fez has been having much better shows without Dave there, he's not up to his old standards by far, but much better than he is when Dave is there.

[The Dirka]

Hicks is perfect for the show, and he seems to appreciate the gift he has been given.
I am amazed at the people who truly believe that Dave is doing the right thing by telling Fez off and calling him names, these people must be self employed or independently wealthy, either way if Dave is reading any of this you are filling him with a bravado that will burn him in the end, because he will go too far.
And I don't have anything against Dave, but you have to be in denial if you don't see that Fez has been having much better shows without Dave there, he's not up to his old standards by far, but much better than he is when Dave is there.

from what i've heard dave has been way more patient with fez than most people would be. the only times ive heard him really tell fez off is when fez has said some really personal insult about him or his family that is delivered without the least bit of humor and the other day when he was accused of trying to take a couple days off when he had been in the hospital with a heart infection.

fez should just go away to four winds for about 6 months and see if he can get his shit together for real.

either that or its all fake and we're a bunch of stupid rubes for even having this discussion

[Meataball23]

I think it's time for more Hicks. His role has been limited, but everything he says lately kills.

I fucking LOVE hicks and his one liners crack me up.

Hicks is perfect for the show, and he seems to appreciate the gift he has been given.
I am amazed at the people who truly believe that Dave is doing the right thing by telling Fez off and calling him names, these people must be self employed or independently wealthy, either way if Dave is reading any of this you are filling him with a bravado that will burn him in the end, because he will go too far.
And I don't have anything against Dave, but you have to be in denial if you don't see that Fez has been having much better shows without Dave there, he's not up to his old standards by far, but much better than he is when Dave is there.

I dont think Fez's shows this week have been better at all. Maybe you were just listening to the replays of his old fezatorials and thought they were live? I think Fez has been as bad if not worse recently. He somehow turned ESD's heart issues into a battle of whos been through more pain. Its pathetic!

[Meataball23]

fez should just go away to four winds for about 6 months and see if he can get his shit together for real.

either that or its all fake and we're a bunch of stupid rubes for even having this discussion

Ive been saying Fez needs a leave of absence for a while and I'll continue to say it. Maybe not the nut hut, but the dude is wealthy enough to travel through Europe for a few months w/o staying in any crappy hotels. Maybe Europe would embrace his weirdness and he might finally find the place where he can live his secret.

And we're all rubes either way.

[Dougie Brootal]

I fucking LOVE hicks and his one liners crack me up.



I dont think Fez's shows this week have been better at all. Maybe you were just listening to the replays of his old fezatorials and thought they were live? I think Fez has been as bad if not worse recently. He somehow turned ESD's heart issues into a battle of whos been through more pain. Its pathetic!


Agree 100%!

[The Dirka]

I think it's time for more Hicks. His role has been limited, but everything he says lately kills.

hicks is great in the role they've given him. i have no reason to believe he would be any good if he had more time.

[Dogfather]

Ive been saying Fez needs a leave of absence for a while and I'll continue to say it. Maybe not the nut hut, but the dude is wealthy enough to travel through Europe for a few months w/o staying in any crappy hotels. Maybe Europe would embrace his weirdness and he might finally find the place where he can live his secret.

And we're all rubes either way.

Fez would stay in his hotel. Too afraid of the world.

[deliciousV]

from what i've heard dave has been way more patient with fez than most people would be. the only times ive heard him really tell fez off is when fez has said some really personal insult about him or his family that is delivered without the least bit of humor and the other day when he was accused of trying to take a couple days off when he had been in the hospital with a heart infection.

fez should just go away to four winds for about 6 months and see if he can get his shit together for real.

either that or its all fake and we're a bunch of stupid rubes for even having this discussion

Horseshit! Have you ever had a job? Most people have had bosses doubt them when they were off sick, and most people didn't call their boss a cocksucker and get to come back to work! This idea that Dave hase been oh so patient with his fucking superior is just fantasy. I'm telling you , you Dave lovers are doing the man no favors, he's getting full of himself and he's pushing to far because he believes his own press, he's gonna fuck up big time.
It is still the Ron and Fez show and if Dave can't take Fez busting his chops without blowing up then he's fucked, he's not gonna end up with Fez's seat and Fez going off to think about it like you jacktards are dreaming, It won't happen.

[chili_chest]

:popcorn:

[ShowerBench]

from what i've heard dave has been way more patient with fez than most people would be. the only times ive heard him really tell fez off is when fez has said some really personal insult about him or his family that is delivered without the least bit of humor and the other day when he was accused of trying to take a couple days off when he had been in the hospital with a heart infection.

Fez coddling Dave over his sore heart would have been much funnier than accusing him of faking. Come to think of it, whose idea was it to play those clips of Dave screaming in agonizing pain the other day - I think he was being beaten by a dominatrix? Pepper's? Poor, pain-stricken Dave. He does have unlimited patience in the face of outrageously abusive treatment, doesn't he?

I dont think Fez's shows this week have been better at all. Maybe you were just listening to the replays of his old fezatorials and thought they were live? I think Fez has been as bad if not worse recently. He somehow turned ESD's heart issues into a battle of whos been through more pain. Its pathetic!

Yes, pathetic! It's much funnier to acknowledge another's pain than to compare it with your own and declare it inferior.

And despite what so many posters here and callers to the show have said over the last week, it's not possible the show has been better. How could that be?

Ive been saying Fez needs a leave of absence for a while and I'll continue to say it.

It's time we got rid of the thorn in Dave's side on the Ron and Fez show.

Talk about choking the humor out of a show...the exhausting seriousness with which we're expected to take Little Lord Ruby (and he takes himself these days)..

[deliciousV]

Agree 100%!

Really? he's involved in every conversation, he's not crying, he's not stuttering and stammering. But that's not better, it's worse? Somebody has an agenda. Or maybe somebody's just crippled too high for crutches.

I've said he's nowhere near his old self, but it has been an improvement.

[Dougie Brootal]

Really? he's involved in every conversation, he's not crying, he's not stuttering and stammering. But that's not better, it's worse? Somebody has an agenda. Or maybe somebody's just crippled too high for crutches.

I've said he's nowhere near his old self, but it has been an improvement.


I haven't listened to 100% of the last weeks shows, I admit, but from what I did hear, it was not any kind of improvement. I didn't hear crying but I definatey did not hear fez in every conversation. The entire show from about 130 pm to the end, he was completely absent from. And when I did hear fez, I heard stuttering and stammering, not as much as usual but enough to tell he is uncomfortable... except during live reads...I have no agenda. I'm not personally involved or invested in the show. Sorry to disappoint you there.

[deliciousV]

I haven't listened to 100% of the last weeks shows, I admit, but from what I did hear, it was not any kind of improvement. I have no agenda. I'm not personally involved or invested in the show. Sorry to disappoint you there.

You havn't listened to 100% of the shows, but you 100% agree with the guy who said Fez has been worse not better? That's 100% stupid.
I gave examples of improvement. More talking, less dead air, no stammering. But you 100% agree with a guy who says he's been worse and gives no example of how. WTF?:wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have been hyper-critical of Fez, but he has definitely been better while Dave has been out.

and I'M NOT BASHING DAVE. There just has to be happy medium somewhere.

[Dougie Brootal]

You havn't listened to 100% of the shows, but you 100% agree with the guy who said Fez has been worse not better? That's 100% stupid.
I gave examples of improvement. More talking, less dead air, no stammering. But you 100% agree with a guy who says he's been worse and gives no example of how. WTF?:wallbash:


You obviously didn't read 100% of my post. Why don't you go back and do that before you start to respond.

[dereckfishboy]

More talking, less dead air, no stammering.

I fail to see how that's an improvement when the dead air is being filled with the same recycled ideas and themes that alienate him from his co-host and audience. Great, instead of being quiet it's chalk full of more annoying crazy shit that few people relate to. I'd rather he ride out the rest of his contract as the live-read guy, listening to the same shit day after day is what makes the show easier to turn off. Don't think he's helping the show as a whole by contributing more of that. Getting over his lack of confidence on the air isn't how I'd consider improving on the show. Either clever writing that can be related to by his audience, or sharp improv skill (sorry folks, they've been dulling as the years pass) are improvements. Getting over his phobias and obsessions, maybe that would be an improvement. Making his descent into true mental illness more audible for the listening audience is not an improvement.

[kdubya]

Fez's time has come and gone, he can head back to FLA and hang with Diaz.

Ron has had enough, time for a new evolution.

[conman823]

Wow reading this thread is NOT making me want to listen to R&F that's for sure
As someone who hasn't heard a minute in at least a year what u guys are arguing about seems like the least entertaining show on the air. That's a fucking crime since at one time I considered it to be the greatest show. Please if this is all that's left let it die already

[deliciousV]

I fail to see how that's an improvement when the dead air is being filled with the same recycled ideas and themes that alienate him from his co-host and audience. Great, instead of being quiet it's chalk full of more annoying crazy shit that few people relate to. I'd rather he ride out the rest of his contract as the live-read guy, listening to the same shit day after day is what makes the show easier to turn off. Don't think he's helping the show as a whole by contributing more of that. Getting over his lack of confidence on the air isn't how I'd consider improving on the show. Either clever writing that can be related to by his audience, or sharp improv skill (sorry folks, they've been dulling as the years pass) are improvements. Getting over his phobias and obsessions, maybe that would be an improvement. Making his descent into true mental illness more audible for the listening audience is not an improvement.

Good God man, it's got to start somewhere. I'm no expert but I would have to think that step 1 would be getting his on air confidence back before any of the other things you mentioned could return. As (and if) he gets comfortable talking more and more his timing will return and he'll get more laughs, then he'll become more confident to bring back the prepared bits he was known for. At least I hope this happens. All I'm saying is there seems to be a little improvement every time Fez's security blanket is taken away from him and he's forced to do his job, thats not a knock on Dave, it's really a knock on Fez, he gets lazy when Dave is there but tries harder when he's not.

[Enabler]

i guess what ive heard all week is ron being slightly more willing to engage fez. i definitely agree that fez is "better" without dave. but its mainly because ron is more likely to directly talk to fez when dave is absent. and not shut him down as quickly. theyve BOTH changed a lot in the years ive been listening. yes, fez has changed more as a person. but to me the biggest change to the show is rons decline in willingness to be partner to fez's madness. they were never "equals". but fez's weakness (heartattack, depression) forced ron to assert himself even more and take full command of the show. that shit cant be undone. its rons show and ron decides who he makes funny or interesting on any given day.

[dereckfishboy]

I'm not sold that confidence on the air is any step forward. I'm in the camp of those who think he needs a long, drawn out absence from both Ron and the show.

[yojimbo7248]

I'm not sold that confidence on the air is any step forward. I'm in the camp of those who think he needs a long, drawn out absence from both Ron and the show.

Fez needs to lighten up to be entertaining. He is just too shrill right now. Yes, he might be more confident and stand up for himself more often but his job is to be interesting or funny.

[spazemunky]

Ron is a real Loyal guy. i can't see him dumping Fez. if Fez goes it would be him walking away. Fez Rocks. whenever i listen to old R&F clips, out of everyone that came into that studio.... Giant Brian, Wonderboy, Earl, Staples... all those clips are funnier than when Dave is in there.

[danner1515]

I am amazed at the people who truly believe that Dave is doing the right thing by telling Fez off and calling him names, these people must be self employed or independently wealthy, either way if Dave is reading any of this you are filling him with a bravado that will burn him in the end, because he will go too far.
And I don't have anything against Dave, but you have to be in denial if you don't see that Fez has been having much better shows without Dave there, he's not up to his old standards by far, but much better than he is when Dave is there.
I personally care more about how entertaining the show is than I do about the professional hierarchy of the show. No, it's not "right" for Dave to call the co-host a cocksucker, but it's a bit more entertaining than hearing Fez cry over a conversation about losing change.

As for Fez having better shows, it's still sad for me to hear that this is how low the bar has been set for him. Hey! He got a couple of good lines in! Fez is back!

[The Dirka]

Horseshit! Have you ever had a job? Most people have had bosses doubt them when they were off sick, and most people didn't call their boss a cocksucker and get to come back to work! This idea that Dave hase been oh so patient with his fucking superior is just fantasy. I'm telling you , you Dave lovers are doing the man no favors, he's getting full of himself and he's pushing to far because he believes his own press, he's gonna fuck up big time.
It is still the Ron and Fez show and if Dave can't take Fez busting his chops without blowing up then he's fucked, he's not gonna end up with Fez's seat and Fez going off to think about it like you jacktards are dreaming, It won't happen.

please. fez isnt anyones boss. i am no dave apologist but there is a big difference between busting chops and what fez was doing. ron, hicks and dave bust chops, fez is just mean without the least bit of humor. i think dave is good sometimes when he isn't trying to be overly goofy or shocking but hes annoying sometimes too.

at this point if given the choice between the show as is or having both dave and fez gone, i'd probably choose the latter.

[Crispy123]

The Ron and Fez show would be so much better if it was Fez and Norton with Danny as the producer. I think they would do a great morning zoo maybe in Ann Arbor or something.

[Melk]

The Dave blowup on Fez wasn't as bad, one way or the other, as you guys made it out to be.

In Fez's defense, Dr. Steve supported Earl's "Brain Cloud" thing back in the day. (No offense Dr. Steve)

Dave went crazy pussy after the cocksucker line (crazy ex, not wimp).

[The Nature Boy]

i guess what ive heard all week is ron being slightly more willing to engage fez. i definitely agree that fez is "better" without dave. but its mainly because ron is more likely to directly talk to fez when dave is absent. and not shut him down as quickly. theyve BOTH changed a lot in the years ive been listening. yes, fez has changed more as a person. but to me the biggest change to the show is rons decline in willingness to be partner to fez's madness. they were never "equals". but fez's weakness (heartattack, depression) forced ron to assert himself even more and take full command of the show. that shit cant be undone. its rons show and ron decides who he makes funny or interesting on any given day.

Definately part of the problem. Fez hasn't changed, Ron has, and thats the way it is. Ron can be frustrated that Fez hasn't gone in new directions, but it never seemed like he was capable of doing so. I don't know what the answer in this scenario is, Ronnie's obviously very versatile, talented and funny, and Fez, in the right frame work was and I think still can be.

But they are getting to be that old married couple now, "growing apart".

That or Fez is just in love with Ron which would really make this all the more awkward.

Given his secret, how could he not be?

[Mitch&Murray]

. theyve BOTH changed a lot in the years ive been listening. yes, fez has changed more as a person. but to me the biggest change to the show is rons decline in willingness to be partner to fez's madness. .

I wonder if its actually the opposite of this. It seems to me that Fez really hasnt changed much and Ron has grown away from this. The whole wrestling comics and pop culture seems to bore Ron now. He has grown more" refined" for lack of a better word. Delving more into deeper issues art, fine dining , culture , spirituality etc and he has grown tired of Fezs not doing so.

As to those who espouse that Dave has the right to go after Fez I disagree. What he may be saying about Fez may need to be said but it is not his place to do this. The radio show still remains in the corporate structure and ESD is Fez's subordinate. Fez is well within his right to report this to the suits and ESD could land on his ear in the street.

Third point a few people have said that this tension makes for good radio. To me not really. I think sometimes we get caught up in the fact that we like this show and are engaged in the people who put it on. But to listen to it semi objectively it really gets to be a tough listen and I cant see it adding new listeners if they tuned in with their new Sirius XM units

*was typing this when the above post about Ron changing more than Fez was posted

[StanUpshaw]

To those suggesting that Fez's performance has anything to do with Dave's absence:

Are we all forgetting Monday's show and most of Tuesday (until Franklyn open his yap)?

Dave was gone then and Fez was still a bumbling, stuttering, doped up mess.

Go back and read the listening threads. It was fucking brutal.

[hydee]

I would say that it is probably time for Dave to go on his own or really try to get something going with Sam, but after the question and answer thing he had with Ron about the business, I don't think Dave is prepared for that. I don't think he has taken the time to learn the behind the scenes aspect of the business enough to succeed. I also can't see an executive giving Dave a shot because he is a very loose canon. Fez wasn't all that wrong when he talked about this. .

Fez, man at this point I am not sure what he needs to do. I do think he needs to have a talk with Ron though. A serious one about respect and loyalty. Dave has been a fan for a while and sure he went up the hill and came down a 3rd mic. But Ron has been with Fez for a very long time and his current attitude about Fez sucks. I don't know if it's because Dave has family stuff that Ron can relate to but Ron seems to have chosen a side, and it's not his partners.

[Dougie Brootal]

I would say that it is probably time for Dave to go on his own or really try to get something going with Sam, but after the question and answer thing he had with Ron about the business, I don't think Dave is prepared for that. I don't think he has taken the time to learn the behind the scenes aspect of the business enough to succeed. I also can't see an executive giving Dave a shot because he is a very loose canon. Fez wasn't all that wrong when he talked about this. .

Fez, man at this point I am not sure what he needs to do. I do think he needs to have a talk with Ron though. A serious one about respect and loyalty. Dave has been a fan for a while and sure he went up the hill and came down a 3rd mic. But Ron has been with Fez for a very long time and his current attitude about Fez sucks. I don't know if it's because Dave has family stuff that Ron can relate to but Ron seems to have chosen a side, and it's not his partners.

ron and dave just dont get the show.

[hydee]

ron and dave just dont get the show.

Tell me how I am wrong instead of putting out one liners as an attempt to put me in my place. Ron questioned Dave on the business for almost an hour the day He talked about the line in the sand and he knew NOTHING. He had people calling tech support so they would leak information to the executives in charge of talk so his bosses would give him money for gas and tolls.

I felt bad for Dave that day. Here he is all big and bad drawing lines in sand that don't exist and not knowing how to help his own show. It was eye opening and shocking to me and it also proved something that I felt for a long time.. Hicks must be working his ass off producing the show, producing RBI's and stuff behind the scenes because it obvious that Dave has no clue how to run a radio show. That wasn't a bit Dougie that was the cold hard facts that Dave is a personality trying to be Opie or Ron and has no clue how to go about it. It's like Ron said you have been in the business for 4 years this is stuff you should know.

Ron has changed towards Fez everyone know that he has so how is Fez talking to Ron about his issues and loyalty not a good idea.

[Dougie Brootal]

Tell me how I am wrong instead of putting out one liners as an attempt to put me in my place. Ron questioned Dave on the business for almost an hour the day He talked about the line in the sand and he knew NOTHING. He had people calling tech support so they would leak information to the executives in charge of talk so his bosses would give him money for gas and tolls.

I felt bad for Dave that day. Here he is all big and bad drawing lines in sand that don't exist and not knowing how to help his own show. It was eye opening and shocking to me and it also proved something that I felt for a long time.. Hicks must be working his ass off producing the show, producing RBI's and stuff behind the scenes because it obvious that Dave has no clue how to run a radio show. That wasn't a bit Dougie that was the cold hard facts that Dave is a personality trying to be Opie or Ron and has no clue how to go about it. It's like Ron said you have been in the business for 4 years this is stuff you should know.

Ron has changed towards Fez everyone know that he has so how is Fez talking to Ron about his issues and loyalty not a good idea.

:surrender: im sorry, i wasnt trying to argue with you, i was just using your post so i could be a dick to another poster who said that anyone who doesnt like the show cuz of fez just doesnt get it.
i actually agree with the points you made.

[hydee]

:surrender: im sorry, i wasnt trying to argue with you, i was just using your post so i could be a dick to another poster who said that anyone who doesnt like the show cuz of fez just doesnt get it.
i actually agree with the points you made.

OMG too much caffeine and allergy medicine makes me a bitch sorry.

[Melk]

I would say that it is probably time for Dave to go on his own or really try to get something going with Sam, but after the question and answer thing he had with Ron about the business, I don't think Dave is prepared for that. I don't think he has taken the time to learn the behind the scenes aspect of the business enough to succeed. I also can't see an executive giving Dave a shot because he is a very loose canon. Fez wasn't all that wrong when he talked about this.
Ron made an off-the-cuff comment a few weeks ago about Dave being absolutely useless when it comes to production. He went on to say that Hicks handles 95% of it. According to Ron, Dave also doesn't know who the suits at Sirius are. Dave doesn't clearly understand that "Special Delivery" was an opportunity for Dave to make air checks and demo tapes with Sam.

I get it. I sympathize with Dave's desire to make money. But he needs to do the right thing to get ahead. I know everyone here seems to love Dave's quirky unpredictability on the air, but off the air, he had best do the homework he has to do to diversify his portfolio and develop skills.

In the case of Fez, he should do some solo shows on the weekend where the callers talk to him about his problems. I think a lot of what Ron says is right, but he needs to take his perspective away from Ron for a bit.

[Dougie Brootal]

OMG too much caffeine and allergy medicine makes me a bitch sorry.

hey its cool, i should have posted that comment in the actual thread it took place in rather than this one haha!

[Mitch&Murray]

:surrender: im sorry, i wasnt trying to argue with you, i was just using your post so i could be a dick to another poster who said that anyone who doesnt like the show cuz of fez just doesnt get it.
i actually agree with the points you made.

OMG too much caffeine and allergy medicine makes me a bitch sorry.

hey its cool, i should have posted that comment in the actual thread it took place in rather than this one haha!

geez get a room:tongue:

[Dougie Brootal]

geez get a room:tongue:

only if youre in it too!:wub:

[Mitch&Murray]

only if youre in it too!:wub:

how you doin?
:wub:

[hydee]

geez get a room:tongue:

I feel the love :innocent:

[Mitch&Murray]

I feel the love :innocent:

how YOU doin?
:devil2:

[Meataball23]

In the case of Fez, he should do some solo shows on the weekend where the callers talk to him about his problems. I think a lot of what Ron says is right, but he needs to take his perspective away from Ron for a bit.

Id tune in and I almost never listen to weekend stuff.

Not in a mean way, and Im really not a Fez hater, Id just love to hear how and where it goes.

[Melk]

Id tune in and I almost never listen to weekend stuff.

Not in a mean way, and Im really not a Fez hater, Id just love to hear how and where it goes.
Seriously though. I know there are people who want to hear about Fez's problems and those who don't. This could compartmentalize Fez's problems, get him out of his house on Saturdays and close to the night life he says he wants to participate in.

They could call it, "What's The Matter, Buddy?"

I love this idea. Someone have Franklin talk to Ian and let's make this happen

[BlackFan]

I have not missed a single show since mid 08 and at times you see shines of fez's creativity and brilliance,but for the most part he's silent. DEAD SILENT.He really is 3rd mic on his own show,and when he's called out on it he gets mad like its not true. If he held up his end of the bargain then no one would say that.But he just wants to be the victim all the time.

About a week ago Jimmy from O&A ranted about people and their "problems" the manic depressives who can't look outside themselves, and the entire time i thought he was yelling about Fez. ( no not directly at him but it described him perfectly) Fez lacks ability to look outside himself. He complains about wanting to get better and NEVER in the entire time I've been listening has made an attempt to do the work.

Oh sure he goes to his piano bars and his shrink and to four winds,but with each thing there's no effort to actually get better.He puts out just enough to say "I tried, I don't know why its not working." He just expects it to happen.

For Fez to sit there and throw stones in his glass house the way he did with Dave was pure idiocy. Dave was totally justified in calling Fez a cocksucker. When Fez had his heart attack and Dave stepped up into his place as co-host Dave didn't say hey you sick asshole look what I'm doing for you. He just did it.

Now Dave is having financial problems, and health issues with him and his son;and all Fez can say is "I tried to give you 2000 dollars for your kid." "He tries to turn the callers against me Ron" "I dropped change and a man said something so now i'm crying Ron"

I was only half paying attention during that change segment and then my co-worker stopped talking to me and i said to myself "is this asshole really crying about dropping change" Get over yourself Whatley. You've effectively pushed everyone away with your bullshit.

[oPant]

I have not heard Fez contribute so much in a long time. The show is very good without Dave and with Fez helping out on 2nd mike and Ron engaging him. Just finished listening to the 4/28 show and it was very good.

[underdog]

I have not heard Fez contribute so much in a long time. The show is very good without Dave and with Fez helping out on 2nd mike and Ron engaging him. Just finished listening to the 4/28 show and it was very good.

I love Fez, but some of the non-Dave shows were almost unbearable this week. Ron was just angry with him for half the time.

[Melk]

I love Fez, but some of the non-Dave shows were almost unbearable this week. Ron was just angry with him for half the time.
Ron is fantastic when interviewing everyone but Fez.

Fez: I don't like elevators.
Ron: Why?

Fez: I watch The Dark Night almost every night.
Ron: Why?

Fez: When the sun goes down, I just freak out.
Ron: Why?

When he doesn't reply, "Why?" to Fez he says, "Moe, you're on the Ron and Fez Show."

Stop asking "Why?" You don't ask Dave why he has suddenly has a smoke zone.

I find Fez and Dave's idiosyncrasies interesting. They are often quite similar to each other.

[BlackFan]

You know why he asks why? Because its the same shit daily. Its the same fuckin story day in and day out. So asking why kinda alerts Fez to the fact that he's brought up the same shit for the past 3 days straight at the exact same hour. Its a way of saying "this shit again Fez?"

[llc]

They always take a break in the summer (and I'm sure one is coming up). I think, like Ron does when Fez is out, Fez should use the next vacation to host solo, with Hicks producing, and force himself to drive the show. A week or two of that kind of demands on his comfort zone might be helpful for him.

Second, Dave needs to leave the show. I have no dislike for him but there shouldn't even be a "third mic" on a partnership show and the minute Fez became comfortable with Dave talking that much, the show went downhill (Fez was even better with Harry producing on XM). Every time they attempt to make Dave producer only, he can't help but get into it with Ron and Fez so he needs to be removed from the show, perhaps going to O&A or another XM channel, which requires him to be a producer, which even Hicks seems to feel he's not participating in.

Finally, Ron is enabling Fez. He lets Fez hang back and then mocks him for it. Let Fez drive the show. Don't bring back Dave and definitely don't bring in people like Earl when Dave is out (who really drags down shows). Have meetings with your partner before shows, go over what you'll be talking about and demand an equal partnership (including the interview portions of the show). If you don't want to do it with Fez anymore, end the partnership by opening telling Fez and explaining why. If he is trying to force Fez out, he is an immature dick who has his own mental problems.

[dereckfishboy]

Have meetings with your partner before shows, go over what you'll be talking about and demand an equal partnership (including the interview portions of the show).

Wow. You really don't think that's happened throughout the past three or so years? If you don't think Ron has demanded, coddled, coaxed, bribed, begged, and every other form of reason with Fez then you are just being an apologist for Fez. Including the interview portions? Fez openly admits he checked out of those because he always says something awkward. Brought up something about Tom Cruise and an island and was so embarrassed that the guest called him out on it that he just bailed on the interviews once and for all.

Seriously, I don't know how you could listen to the show and honestly think that there is a universe that exists where Ron had no interest in getting Fez to be an equal partner again.

[hurlmon]

Second, Dave needs to leave the show. I have no dislike for him but there shouldn't even be a "third mic" on a partnership show and the minute Fez became comfortable with Dave talking that much, the show went downhill (Fez was even better with Harry producing on XM). Every time they attempt to make Dave producer only, he can't help but get into it with Ron and Fez so he needs to be removed from the show,.

Ron Brings dave in to fill the void that is Fez. They tried starting shows with Dave not in the studio, but Ron always had to call him in.

Yeah Fez was better with Harry, mentally better. Harry had nothing to do with it.

[Meataball23]

I have not missed a single show since mid 08 and at times you see shines of fez's creativity and brilliance,but for the most part he's silent. DEAD SILENT.He really is 3rd mic on his own show,and when he's called out on it he gets mad like its not true. If he held up his end of the bargain then no one would say that.But he just wants to be the victim all the time.

About a week ago Jimmy from O&A ranted about people and their "problems" the manic depressives who can't look outside themselves, and the entire time i thought he was yelling about Fez. ( no not directly at him but it described him perfectly) Fez lacks ability to look outside himself. He complains about wanting to get better and NEVER in the entire time I've been listening has made an attempt to do the work.

Oh sure he goes to his piano bars and his shrink and to four winds,but with each thing there's no effort to actually get better.He puts out just enough to say "I tried, I don't know why its not working." He just expects it to happen.

For Fez to sit there and throw stones in his glass house the way he did with Dave was pure idiocy. Dave was totally justified in calling Fez a cocksucker. When Fez had his heart attack and Dave stepped up into his place as co-host Dave didn't say hey you sick asshole look what I'm doing for you. He just did it.

Now Dave is having financial problems, and health issues with him and his son;and all Fez can say is "I tried to give you 2000 dollars for your kid." "He tries to turn the callers against me Ron" "I dropped change and a man said something so now i'm crying Ron"

I was only half paying attention during that change segment and then my co-worker stopped talking to me and i said to myself "is this asshole really crying about dropping change" Get over yourself Whatley. You've effectively pushed everyone away with your bullshit.

Well said

[helterskeletor]

They always take a break in the summer (and I'm sure one is coming up). I think, like Ron does when Fez is out, Fez should use the next vacation to host solo, with Hicks producing, and force himself to drive the show. A week or two of that kind of demands on his comfort zone might be helpful for him.

Second, Dave needs to leave the show. I have no dislike for him but there shouldn't even be a "third mic" on a partnership show and the minute Fez became comfortable with Dave talking that much, the show went downhill (Fez was even better with Harry producing on XM). Every time they attempt to make Dave producer only, he can't help but get into it with Ron and Fez so he needs to be removed from the show, perhaps going to O&A or another XM channel, which requires him to be a producer, which even Hicks seems to feel he's not participating in.

Finally, Ron is enabling Fez. He lets Fez hang back and then mocks him for it. Let Fez drive the show. Don't bring back Dave and definitely don't bring in people like Earl when Dave is out (who really drags down shows). Have meetings with your partner before shows, go over what you'll be talking about and demand an equal partnership (including the interview portions of the show). If you don't want to do it with Fez anymore, end the partnership by opening telling Fez and explaining why. If he is trying to force Fez out, he is an immature dick who has his own mental problems.

Duuude. This is a great idea. Have Fez host during the break. He's just gonna spend the whole time being awkward and secretly gay around his fucked up family if he goes on vacation. Even if the shows are trainwrecks, I'll be glued to my fucking radio. Time to make up for the last 5 years Whatley!

[spainlinx0]

It would be the quietest trainwreck in history.

[samnyc]

So who's going to start rondave.net so we can move it on over?

[Crispy123]

So who's going to start rondave.net so we can move it on over?

I nominate you. Go ahead & we'll all meet you there.

[Meataball23]

So who's going to start rondave.net so we can move it on over?

I nominate you. Go ahead & we'll all meet you there.

To be fair this site is kinda dead. I mean Fez has breakdowns 20 minutes into shows now and this board doesnt really even acknowledge it. I guess you can make the argument that theres really nothing left to say, but its pretty wild.

[paulisded]

To be fair this site is kinda dead. I mean Fez has breakdowns 20 minutes into shows now and this board doesnt really even acknowledge it. I guess you can make the argument that theres really nothing left to say, but its pretty wild.

So there should be separate threads for every time Fez overreacts and starts bawling? Yeah, that would help things.

[Melk]

So there should be separate threads for every time Fez overreacts and starts bawling? Yeah, that would help things.
I agree. there should be a "Fez is Crying" section of the site and there should be a thread for each time Whatley explains why he is having a bad day and what the co-hosts and callers say in response to it.

[TripleSkeet]

I agree. there should be a "Fez is Crying" section of the site and there should be a thread for each time Whatley explains why he is having a bad day and what the co-hosts and callers say in response to it.

That would surpass the old "donations" thread within a week.

[Dirtbag]

Today's crying was both worse than usual and for even more horseshit reasons than usual. Something has to be done with this guy.

[Pitdoc]

..laughing when Fez was crying ,& piling on too. Then brought it up later, to dig at Fez.
I think the one thing that Ron could do to keep everyone better is to just stare Dave in the face & explain that, if Fezzie has another nervous breakdown, or heart attack, or gets hit by a BUS, There will NEVER be a "Ron & Dave Show".That if Fezzie goes, Ron looks for a new host ,and it WON'T be Dave .Now, if Dave is telling the truth, he'll be fine with this (but I bet he'll be bummed). It sounds like Fez is trying to get Dave a raise, and then Dave is going a little bit beyond "joshing".

[Melk]

I think the one thing that Ron could do to keep everyone better is to just stare Dave in the face & explain that, if Fezzie has another nervous breakdown, or heart attack, or gets hit by a BUS, There will NEVER be a "Ron & Dave Show".
The teasing seems to be something Ron and the fans want. I honestly think there are a lot of fans who love to hear Fez crying on the air.

I just don't understand what is going on on the show. I listen to the show on Audible and when Ron just ignores the topics Fez brings up, for a moment, I think that the show was edited by mistake.

[oPant]

Aye Nigh.

[KnoxHarrington]

The teasing seems to be something Ron and the fans want. I honestly think there are a lot of fans who love to hear Fez crying on the air.

I just don't understand what is going on on the show. I listen to the show on Audible and when Ron just ignores the topics Fez brings up, for a moment, I think that the show was edited by mistake.

Yeah, I have a feeling there are a whole bunch of people who listen to this show, and who would never post here, who are listening to the show for far different reasons than most of us here.

I mean, I think most of the posters here listen for Ronnie's thoughts on various topics and discussions. I'm afraid that there may be just as many -- if not more -- who listen to the show saying "I hope they make the faggot cry today."

[Zorro]

Yeah, I have a feeling there are a whole bunch of people who listen to this show, and who would never post here, who are listening to the show for far different reasons than most of us here.

I mean, I think most of the posters here listen for Ronnie's thoughts on various topics and discussions. I'm afraid that there may be just as many -- if not more -- who listen to the show saying "I hope they make the faggot cry today."

That's just silly.

[spainlinx0]

I don't think many people, if any, listen to the show for that explicit reason.

I think Ron figures it's better he cries on the air than sits there in silence battling his inner demons.

However, the bit where Fez tried to hit on Ron and Dave was absolutely fucking hilarious, even Fez. He was good as the butt of the joke, and had some great lines as well.

Ron: Why you asking all these questions? What are you a cop?
Fez: No.

The way Fez said no, all dejected and bummed out was the perfect delivery. I was cracking up.

However it was insane to listen to the constant breakdowns yesterday. I always thought Fez was crazy, and that he needed help. But I had completely underestimated just how far gone this guy was. He really does need to check into an institution for some serious help, for his own benefit. i don't know how a person can function with that much mental stress. I don't say that to be mean, but the emotional breakdowns he was having absolutely shocked me.

[YourAmishDaddy]

All I know is I couldn't help it. That damn "tick tick tick" in the background is one of the funniest things I've heard in ages. It was so cringe but I couldn't help it.

[samnyc]

Fez is a maniac and his life on and off the air has gone to hell. This downward spiral started after the Mikey D breakdown. I think it's now time for Fez to finally accept Mikey D's apology and reconcile.

[underdog]

All I know is I couldn't help it. That damn "tick tick tick" in the background is one of the funniest things I've heard in ages. It was so cringe but I couldn't help it.

When Fez started crying again and Ron asked him what was wrong and Fez said through tears, "I sound like Andy Rooney", I lost my shit. That was fucking hilarious.

[Dan 'Hampton]

That was a great break. Loved it when Dave broke out the rem and the cuckoo's nest music as well.

[YourAmishDaddy]

When Fez started crying again and Ron asked him what was wrong and Fez said through tears, "I sound like Andy Rooney", I lost my shit. That was fucking hilarious.

And then after Ron backed Dave off of playing the sounder after like the 7th time he snuck the one click in was classic.

[disgruntledsherpa]

And then after Ron backed Dave off of playing the sounder after like the 7th time he snuck the one click in was classic.

Bullies are hilarious.

[TripleSkeet]

..laughing when Fez was crying ,& piling on too. Then brought it up later, to dig at Fez.
I think the one thing that Ron could do to keep everyone better is to just stare Dave in the face & explain that, if Fezzie has another nervous breakdown, or heart attack, or gets hit by a BUS, There will NEVER be a "Ron & Dave Show".That if Fezzie goes, Ron looks for a new host ,and it WON'T be Dave .Now, if Dave is telling the truth, he'll be fine with this (but I bet he'll be bummed). It sounds like Fez is trying to get Dave a raise, and then Dave is going a little bit beyond "joshing".

Why would Ron do that? Hes been doing the Ron and Dave show for the last 2 years...and its been pretty succesful.


The tic tic tic bit had me ROLLING.:lol:

[Pitdoc]

Why would Ron do that? Hes been doing the Ron and Dave show for the last 2 years...and its been pretty succesful.


The tic tic tic bit had me ROLLING.:lol:

I remember when Fez would have these little comments that used to fucking KILL ( I wasn't sure if he was just late saying them, or Ron ran over them, because quite often you'd have to listen closely ) .Haven't seen them in awhile.I know Fezzie has problems , but the other day , Dave was just being an obnoxious prick , with the Cuckoo's Nest music, AND the 60 min music, KNOWING Fezzie was flaking,and then laughing at it. And while I know Ron needs SOMEBODY to bounce off of, Dave is just way too eager to jump in there and take over, even when Fez is holding his own. It's pretty obvious Dave wants Fez's job ( and paycheck) , and Fez believes it too.

[disgruntledsherpa]

I remember when Fez would have these little comments that used to fucking KILL ( I wasn't sure if he was just late saying them, or Ron ran over them, because quite often you'd have to listen closely ) .Haven't seen them in awhile.I know Fezzie has problems , but the other day , Dave was just being an obnoxious prick , with the Cuckoo's Nest music, AND the 60 min music, KNOWING Fezzie was flaking,and then laughing at it. And while I know Ron needs SOMEBODY to bounce off of, Dave is just way too eager to jump in there and take over, even when Fez is holding his own. It's pretty obvious Dave wants Fez's job ( and paycheck) , and Fez believes it too.

Exactly

[Melk]

Dave is just way too eager to jump in there and take over, even when Fez is holding his own. It's pretty obvious Dave wants Fez's job ( and paycheck) , and Fez believes it too.
He has to jump on Fez and take his job. Have you seen his Twideos? They are completely terrible.

"There's no Whiplash cups at 7-11. Time to spill some coffee on their counters."

If you are trying to sabotage your marketability, be funny while you do it. As it stands, you alienate 7-11 as a potential sponsor and weren't funny while doing it.

I also like how he wasted the time and bandwith hiking his pants up and acting like an idiot.

I have not seen a good Twideo featuring Dave. It is mostly his stretching ethics performing a failure of a joke. If you are going to stretch the limits, be funny.

Why risk causing trouble and ruining other people's days for no payoff?

[YourAmishDaddy]

Maybe everyone should get what they want. There's already no music opener. Send Dave away and we can have Ron just talking in a fucking circle for three hours and a half to no one with an occasional interview or a shitty caller.

Well Hicks could chime in from time to time with his usual basic three word sentences said so quickly they diminish themselves. Cause we know there's no other input.

I know it's loyalty, or the failure to admit that the show as it is is a mess. I love Fez. Appreciate him on many levels, but guess what.. I have my own issues and anxieties and problems I deal with everyday sorry I can't be overly receptive to Fez's emotional needs every single show. As if all of us as fans and listeners are to come together and wallow in the group therapy daily and pay a subscription on top of it.

It's insane. At least Diaz said fuck this "It's time for me to move on" and Fez was in the same room that day and saw what a show can do to you when you're dealing with problems.

It's easy to say Dave is a problem, when he isn't THE problem. At one time they really could claim to have the fastest hour in radio. Which the rest of the show moved pretty quickly too. Now look at it.

I really don't want to see a show I've invested off and on 10 years into languish into oblivion like this. I hope they figure it out. But the constant on-air nursing of Fez has to stop. It's taxing.

[NewYorkDragons80]

You know why he asks why? Because its the same shit daily. Its the same fuckin story day in and day out. So asking why kinda alerts Fez to the fact that he's brought up the same shit for the past 3 days straight at the exact same hour. Its a way of saying "this shit again Fez?"

Not only that, but the "why" leads to exposing the root of an anxiety. It doesn't do any good for Fez (at least on-air), but I find it interesting/entertaining to see primal fears peeled to such a basic level. If he was brow-beating Fez with the "why," I'd be less comfortable with it, but I don't hear it that way.

[disneyspy]

When Fez started crying again and Ron asked him what was wrong and Fez said through tears, "I sound like Andy Rooney", I lost my shit. That was fucking hilarious.

seriously,that one line by fez had me laughing hard enough to start coughing

[YourAmishDaddy]

I'm just at a loss to figure out how someone that has so much going for them falls apart like this. Yes, heart attack, mental issues, etc. There are still millions out there that would trade their lives in for his.

[underdog]

seriously,that one line by fez had me laughing hard enough to start coughing

I don't like hearing Fez crying, but that was really one of the funniest lines I've heard on the show in a while.

[booster11373]

I'm just at a loss to figure out how someone that has so much going for them falls apart like this. Yes, heart attack, mental issues, etc. There are still millions out there that would trade their lives in for his.

Millions of people do not listen to the Ron and Fez show

[hurlmon]

When Fez started crying again and Ron asked him what was wrong and Fez said through tears, "I sound like Andy Rooney", I lost my shit. That was fucking hilarious.

Hardest I've laughed from Fez in a while.

Almost felt bad laughing so hard as he was feeling so bad.



Almost.

[Bowel]

I remember when Fez would have these little comments that used to fucking KILL ( I wasn't sure if he was just late saying them, or Ron ran over them, because quite often you'd have to listen closely ) .Haven't seen them in awhile.I know Fezzie has problems , but the other day , Dave was just being an obnoxious prick , with the Cuckoo's Nest music, AND the 60 min music, KNOWING Fezzie was flaking,and then laughing at it. And while I know Ron needs SOMEBODY to bounce off of, Dave is just way too eager to jump in there and take over, even when Fez is holding his own. It's pretty obvious Dave wants Fez's job ( and paycheck) , and Fez believes it too.




Fez should move to Greece and try and get one of those government jobs where he doesn't have to worry about such a thing.

[Enabler]

They just need someone in there who Fez can feel superior to. Its painfully obvious that Ron enjoys doing radio with Dave, and even Hicks, more than Fez right now. Actually it seems like Ron enjoys doing radio with the callers more than Fez right now. And I dont really fault him, I just feel slightly uncomfortable with how obvious he makes it sometimes. And Fez has always shined when hes tearing someone down. Not in a meltdown, psychotic, scary way (ie Mikey D or Freddy). But more in the Billy, Harry, Wonderboy way. Im 100% positive that Ron and Fez are still solid friends off air. I just think they need someone on staff that Fez can pick on that Ron doesnt obviously adore. Maybe Dave was supposed to be that guy, but that backfired because he so quickly endeared himself to Ron. I know the budget would not allow for another staff member but they need somebody in there who Ron dislikes enough to let Fez pick on. And it can no longer be interns, callers or posters.

[TripleSkeet]

I remember when Fez would have these little comments that used to fucking KILL ( I wasn't sure if he was just late saying them, or Ron ran over them, because quite often you'd have to listen closely ) .Haven't seen them in awhile.I know Fezzie has problems , but the other day , Dave was just being an obnoxious prick , with the Cuckoo's Nest music, AND the 60 min music, KNOWING Fezzie was flaking,and then laughing at it. And while I know Ron needs SOMEBODY to bounce off of, Dave is just way too eager to jump in there and take over, even when Fez is holding his own. It's pretty obvious Dave wants Fez's job ( and paycheck) , and Fez believes it too.

Whats obvious is Dave wants, and is talented enough to co-host a talk radio show. The reason it looks like he wants Fezs job is because A. Who WOULDNT want Ron Bennington as their partner??? and B. Hes already been doing the job for peanuts the last 2 years.

Millions of people do not listen to the Ron and Fez show

I think his point is there are millions of people out there that would drop their career in a second to get paid a 6 figure salary to do a 4 hour radio show from 11am-3pm 5 days a week. And there are.

[fezident]

tick

[keithy_19]

It's a radio show.

:bye:

[fezident]

"that was just one click."

[Enabler]

It's a radio show.

:bye:

fuck, youre right.

[keithy_19]

fuck, youre right.

I am.

But to keep pace with the thread, I will gladly take fezzies job. But only if he is able to come onto the air sometimes and yell at me for taking his job.

Now that is awful radio.

[YourAmishDaddy]

I think his point is there are millions of people out there that would drop their career in a second to get paid a 6 figure salary to do a 4 hour radio show from 11am-3pm 5 days a week. And there are.

Exactly.

[chili_chest]

six figures dont mean shit if you're miserable and confused.

[booster11373]

six figures dont mean shit if you're miserable and confused.

exactly. Iwoulndt trade places with Fez for 10 million dollars

[Chigworthy]

He has to jump on Fez and take his job. Have you seen his Twideos? They are completely terrible.

"There's no Whiplash cups at 7-11. Time to spill some coffee on their counters."

If you are trying to sabotage your marketability, be funny while you do it. As it stands, you alienate 7-11 as a potential sponsor and weren't funny while doing it.



This is the funniest/saddest thing I've read in while. When you were typing it, were your lips pursed?

[IamFogHat]

This is the funniest/saddest thing I've read in while. When you were typing it, were your lips pursed?

:lol:

[Melk]

This is the funniest/saddest thing I've read in while. When you were typing it, were your lips pursed?
Nope, not in the least.

[TripleSkeet]

exactly. Iwoulndt trade places with Fez for 10 million dollars

Do you guys really not get the fucking translation?

When he said trade spots with Fez he was talking about the job. Not his mental problems. Not his heart condition. Not his love for cockmeat. His job. Thats all.

[brettmojo]

I remember when Fez would have these little comments that used to fucking KILL ( I wasn't sure if he was just late saying them, or Ron ran over them, because quite often you'd have to listen closely ) .Haven't seen them in awhile.I know Fezzie has problems , but the other day , Dave was just being an obnoxious prick , with the Cuckoo's Nest music, AND the 60 min music, KNOWING Fezzie was flaking,and then laughing at it. And while I know Ron needs SOMEBODY to bounce off of, Dave is just way too eager to jump in there and take over, even when Fez is holding his own. It's pretty obvious Dave wants Fez's job ( and paycheck) , and Fez believes it too.
It's a dogsie eat dogsie world...

[Chigworthy]

Nope, not in the least.

Well then, I was mistaken.

[keithy_19]

Well then, I was mistaken.

My lips were pursed as I read it if that counts for anything..

[Gerald]

I'm beginning to think this is going to end badly, which bums me out. I'm on Team Dave and Team Fez. I'm on Team Dez, dammit.

In a perfect world, Fez would regain his prior form when he picked up 50% of the discussion slack, Dave would get real third-mic/partial-producer money, and they'd both be able to move past their bitter history of Casey-fueled bad blood, with Fez making the ultimate concession of wrongdoing that he shouldn't have stuck his nose in Dave's spousal matters.

[dim499]

Fez losing all his ability is a godsend for Dave as he's just a regular guy with some talent, but next to present day Fez he looks like Richard Pryor and Einstein rolled into one.
Do you agree keithy_19?

[Melk]

Fez losing all his ability is a godsend for Dave as he's just a regular guy with some talent
Atta boy, dim.

[briarjumper]

I am convinced the show is winding down and won't be back after the summer. I have heard a few comments that have "slipped" through that seem to back up my theory.

It also makes sense to me that this is the reason Ron is willing to let the show crumble around him without making any changes ........ Why start changing things/firing co-hosts if the show is ending in a few months anyway?

[regulator]

Anyone know when O&A and R&F's current XM/Sirius contracts expire? I can't imagine a world without these two shows.

[STC-Dub]

Anyone know when O&A and R&F's current XM/Sirius contracts expire? I can't imagine a world without these two shows.

I could live without O & A but I need my Ron and Fez.

[StanUpshaw]

Special Delivery M-F.

Book it.

[Fillmore Slim]

Anyone know when O&A and R&F's current XM/Sirius contracts expire? I can't imagine a world without these two shows.

OnA end in October. As for RnF, I have no idea.



And Yes, I would absolutely trade places with Fez. Even with heart condition and mental issues included because I know I would be able to work through them.

[IamFogHat]

OnA end in October. As for RnF, I have no idea.



And Yes, I would absolutely trade places with Fez. Even with heart condition and mental issues included because I know I would be able to work through them.

Then you're missing the point of the question, the question is, essentially, would you rather be a wealthy man with life crippling mental problems or whoever you are now?

[TripleSkeet]

Then you're missing the point of the question, the question is, essentially, would you rather be a wealthy man with life crippling mental problems or whoever you are now?

Actually, the question was "Would you rather be the co host of a radio show 20 hours a week for a 6 figure salary or keep the job you have now."

[Fillmore Slim]

Actually, the question was "Would you rather be the co host of a radio show 20 hours a week for a 6 figure salary or keep the job you have now."



Exactly.

[STC-Dub]

I don't know about the show ending now. If Ron wanted the show to end why would he be trying to get Dave more money? That seems like quite the hassle if the end result would really be just wasting time.

[Recyclerz]

Just finished listening to the full Monday replay and it seems like the pummeling that Fez took over the dopey Bill Cosby/Jello pudding bit was a direct result of Ron being pissed about Fez going to the suits behind his back re: the advertisers. Also, on the bits of today's show that I heard Ron was repeatedly and derisively calling Fez "a good boy".

I think the likelihood of this partnership continuing beyond their current contract is getting pretty small based on the clues we rubes are being fed.

[TroutSkin]

Just finished listening to the full Monday replay and it seems like the pummeling that Fez took over the dopey Bill Cosby/Jello pudding bit was a direct result of Ron being pissed about Fez going to the suits behind his back re: the advertisers. Also, on the bits of today's show that I heard Ron was repeatedly and derisively calling Fez "a good boy".

I think the likelihood of this partnership continuing beyond their current contract is getting pretty small based on the clues we rubes are being fed.

Really? I felt that bit was Rons way of keeping Fez engaged in the routine through the pain. I think Fez needs a long vacation and I hope they find a way to keep it together in the long term.

[Zorro]

Just finished listening to the full Monday replay and it seems like the pummeling that Fez took over the dopey Bill Cosby/Jello pudding bit was a direct result of Ron being pissed about Fez going to the suits behind his back re: the advertisers. Also, on the bits of today's show that I heard Ron was repeatedly and derisively calling Fez "a good boy".

I think the likelihood of this partnership continuing beyond their current contract is getting pretty small based on the clues we rubes are being fed.

Wait...I missed this. What happened?

[spainlinx0]

Wait...I missed this. What happened?

Apparently the advertisers were unhappy with Ron making plugs entertaining to listen to. They spoke to Fezzy about it, and told him they didn't want it. Now, Fez seems to only do the plugs when Ron is out of the studio like it's a covert mission. That's what I remember.

Also, I would like to say this about the current plugs. I download the show from certain sources. Obviously the show is commercial free that way. However when Ron and Dave would mock the plugs, they would not be cut out of the show I download. They were considered bits so I would hear these advertisements. Now, whoever does the cutting, leaves all of Fez's live reads off the tape. There is zero reason to leave them on there as the entertainment value is not there. Good job advertisers.

I do pay for XM, so I don't consider it technically stealing for those who will focus on that.

[StanUpshaw]

Apparently the advertisers were unhappy with Ron making plugs entertaining to listen to. They spoke to Fezzy about it, and told him they didn't want it. Now, Fez seems to only do the plugs when Ron is out of the studio like it's a covert mission. That's what I remember.

Also, I would like to say this about the current plugs. I download the show from certain sources. Obviously the show is commercial free that way. However when Ron and Dave would mock the plugs, they would not be cut out of the show I download. They were considered bits so I would hear these advertisements. Now, whoever does the cutting, leaves all of Fez's live reads off the tape. There is zero reason to leave them on there as the entertainment value is not there. Good job advertisers.

I do pay for XM, so I don't consider it technically stealing for those who will focus on that.

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[TripleSkeet]

Apparently the advertisers were unhappy with Ron making plugs entertaining to listen to. They spoke to Fezzy about it, and told him they didn't want it. Now, Fez seems to only do the plugs when Ron is out of the studio like it's a covert mission. That's what I remember.

Also, I would like to say this about the current plugs. I download the show from certain sources. Obviously the show is commercial free that way. However when Ron and Dave would mock the plugs, they would not be cut out of the show I download. They were considered bits so I would hear these advertisements. Now, whoever does the cutting, leaves all of Fez's live reads off the tape. There is zero reason to leave them on there as the entertainment value is not there. Good job advertisers.

I do pay for XM, so I don't consider it technically stealing for those who will focus on that.

Yea thats the part I find the funniest. I used to always listen to the live reads because they were so hilarious, now when Fez starts one of his reads I change the station to WIP for awhile.

Leave to corporate executives to not realize a good thing when its right in front of their face. Here you have a guy making fucking around with the product, but making it memorable and fun to listen to at the same time. In 2010 who the fuck really watches commercials anymore? I refuse to watch shows live because I DVR what I want and then fast forward through every commercial. The only exception is sporting events. Here you have a guy making people WANT to hear your advertisements....and you muzzle him. They really are one of the most out of touch breeds of humans out there.