Is the tea party turning the GOP even more hardline?

[hanso]

I had been following how Charlie Crist was booted for his moderate political views/actions. And also read that it was the tea party behind this.

Not sure how such an early to the game start up group can have such pull. But this seems to be the case. And this is being played out in other parts of the country as well.

Has anyone seen examples of this in your region?

[high fly]

Tonight, Jim Bunning went from being a pitcher to a catcher....

[A.J.]

If by hardline you mean "stupid", then yes.

[EliSnow]

Of course it is, which is why epo has been loving the tea party since its inception.

The line of thinking is that the GOP lost control of Congress and the Oval Office due in large part to the fact that they weren't attracting moderates independants. If their candidates shift even more right, they will further alienate such voters.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here in Kentucky, the Tea Party got Rand Paul nominated over Mitch McConnell's hand-picked choice for successor to Jim "Crazy Old Coot" Bunning, Trey Grayson.

The fall campaign is going to be interesting. We've already seen some of the playbook the Democratic Party is going to use against him: Jack Conway, the Democratic nominee, is portraying himself as the candidate who really does want to do good things for Kentucky, versus this Tea Party nutbar who just spouts crazy shit and will be utterly ineffective in the Senate.

We'll see. I think that the Democrats could actually pick up a seat here. I think Rand Paul's going to have very limited support outside the teabaggers.

[Dude!]

Of course it is, which is why epo has been loving the tea party since its inception.

The line of thinking is that the GOP lost control of Congress and the Oval Office due in large part to the fact that they weren't attracting moderates independants. If their candidates shift even more right, they will further alienate such voters.

when did libertarian
become "even more right"?

yeah, wanting to withdraw
from the mideast is real hard right

[EliSnow]

when did libertarian
become "even more right"?

yeah, wanting to withdraw
from the mideast is real hard right

I am talkng about the viewpoint of the general effect that the Tea Party will have, not just the Rand Paul election. Do you see how I talk about Congress and not just one seat?

And the views for a smaller federal government is a conservative/right viewpoint. That is what the Tea Party is about and that is why it supported Rand Paul.


Getting out of the Middle East is not necessarily a right or left view. The reasoning behind it couldd be right or left.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

when did libertarian
become "even more right"?

yeah, wanting to withdraw
from the mideast is real hard right

Dont forget about having the Patriot act repealed. Damn those right wingers

[epo]

Here in Kentucky, the Tea Party got Rand Paul nominated over Mitch McConnell's hand-picked choice for successor to Jim "Crazy Old Coot" Bunning, Trey Grayson.

The fall campaign is going to be interesting. We've already seen some of the playbook the Democratic Party is going to use against him: Jack Conway, the Democratic nominee, is portraying himself as the candidate who really does want to do good things for Kentucky, versus this Tea Party nutbar who just spouts crazy shit and will be utterly ineffective in the Senate.

We'll see. I think that the Democrats could actually pick up a seat here. I think Rand Paul's going to have very limited support outside the teabaggers.

First of all, who names their kid after Ayn Rand?

As for Rand Paul himself, I find the balancing act between I'm a Republican/Libertarian/Tea Party member fascinating. It will be interesting to see if he can muddle his "brand" effectively or not, and whether Conway can stick him with the tea party only message.

And yes, for the record I'm a fan of the Tea Party taking over the Republican Party and shifting them further right. The more batshit insane the Republican Party is, the more I like it.

[KnoxHarrington]

First of all, who names their kid after Ayn Rand?

As for Rand Paul himself, I find the balancing act between I'm a Republican/Libertarian/Tea Party member fascinating. It will be interesting to see if he can muddle his "brand" effectively or not, and whether Conway can stick him with the tea party only message.

And yes, for the record I'm a fan of the Tea Party taking over the Republican Party and shifting them further right. The more batshit insane the Republican Party is, the more I like it.

In his campaign ads, Rand Paul definitely played up the morals angle, talking about stuff like how he's opposed to abortion, etc. He did kind of play into the Tea Party angle with ads attacking the "out of control" federal government, but he didn't really directly use any teabagger talking points.

It was interesting that Grayson attacked him as nutty for some of those Tea Party ideas, like repealing the Patriot Act, and statements he'd made about Iran not being an immediate threat if it just has one or two nukes (both statements I agree with, oddly enough), and obviously it didn't work. So we'll see how Conway uses that line of attack. I think the best course for him is to paint Rand Paul as a ideologue who really would have no idea how to actually be a decent Senator.

[sailor]

First of all, who names their kid after Ayn Rand?


Maybe they're fans of maps?

[Jujubees2]

I think this confirms it:

Tea Party leader Mark Williams says Muslims worship a 'monkey god'; blasts Ground Zero mosque (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/19/2010-05-19_tea_party_leader_mark_williams_says_muslims_wor ship_a_monkey_god_blasts_ground_z.html)

[Furtherman]

I think this confirms it:

Tea Party leader Mark Williams says Muslims worship a 'monkey god'; blasts Ground Zero mosque (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/19/2010-05-19_tea_party_leader_mark_williams_says_muslims_wor ship_a_monkey_god_blasts_ground_z.html)

Now I see epo's point.

[torker]

My monkey god is an awesome monkey god.

[Barnaby Jones]

I've got $20 that says this dope honestly thinks Muslims worship Mohamed as their god as opposed to their actual God, who technically is the same God all of them there good ol' Christian tea baggers are supposed to worship, too!

[Barnaby Jones]

My monkey god is an awesome monkey god.

Who wouldn't want an awesome monkey god? Sounds like more fun than usual boring old coot with a beard lounging around on a cloud like a lazy bum!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've got $20 that says this dope honestly thinks Muslims worship Mohamed as their god as opposed to their actual God, who technically is the same God all of them there good ol' Christian tea baggers are supposed to worship, too!

Im not religious at all but come on. Jesus would kick Mohammeds ass, it wouldnt even be a contest.

[Kevin]

Im not religious at all but come on. Jesus would kick Mohammeds ass, it wouldnt even be a contest.


A skinny Jew has never won a fight in the history of mankind.

[Dell]

A skinny Jew has never won a fight in the history of mankind.

he's wirer y...that's one badass Jew...

[Barnaby Jones]

Im not religious at all but come on. Jesus would kick Mohammeds ass, it wouldnt even be a contest.

Jesus isn't the Christian god and Mohamed isn't the Muslim god!

Jesus and Mohamed are homies!

[Kevin]

he's wirer y...that's one badass Jew...

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/the_replacements/_group_photos/jon_favreau3.jpg

[EliSnow]

Im not religious at all but come on. Jesus would kick Mohammeds ass, it wouldnt even be a contest.


Yeah, the pacifist, the man who said turn the other cheek, would win a fight.

[disneyspy]

Yeah, the pacifist, the man who said turn the other cheek, would win a fight.

if nazis had jesus's parents and made him fight,he'd kick mo's ass

[Dell]

Yeah, the pacifist, the man who said turn the other cheek, would win a fight.

oh yeah...there is the ole turn the other cheek thing...

what happens when you run out of cheeks...is it rinse and repeat or time to kick some ass...

[Kevin]

if nazis had jesus's parents and made him fight,he'd kick mo's ass

Jesus would strike out against Mo's Cutter.

[disneyspy]

Jesus would strike out against Mo's Cutter.

mo throws like a girl and is always on his knees facing mecca

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, the pacifist, the man who said turn the other cheek, would win a fight.

Just hope the book of revelation doesnt come into fruition, he wont be such a pacifist

[Dell]

Just hope the book of revelation doesnt come into fruition, he wont be such a pacifist

I think revelation is about his dad...now that's someone you don't mess with...

[disneyspy]

you think when God was doing mary she laid there going "OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD" ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you think when God was doing mary she laid there going "OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD" ?

When Mohammed was fucking 6 year olds was he saying "Whos your daddy ?"

[Kevin]

When Mohammed was fucking 6 year olds was he saying "Whos your daddy ?"

Whoa

Slow down there.

I can take joking around, but now you are going too far, knock it off.

[disneyspy]

When Mohammed was fucking 6 year olds was he saying "Whos your daddy ?"

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whoa

Slow down there.

I can take joking around, but now you are going too far, knock it off.

Wait Mohammed didnt have child brides? There was a joke about God doing Mary but you were perfectly alright with that.

I am not religious so any religion is fair game

[disneyspy]

Wait Mohammed didnt have child brides? There was a joke about God doing Mary but you were perfectly alright with that.

I am not religious so any religion is fair game

it wasnt funny,just really lame

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it wasnt funny,just really lame

It was probably the truth


Are you a closet Muslim?

[Dell]

every thread dealing with the tea party ends up in the same place...Jesus vs Mohamed and who slept with who...so predictable...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

every thread dealing with the tea party ends up in the same place...Jesus vs Mohamed and who slept with who...so predictable...

I stand corrected Mohammed Married Aisha when she was 6 but didnt start having sex with her until she was 9. Sick bastard


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJOWkF9oUzc

[Barnaby Jones]

I stand corrected Mohammed Married Aisha when she was 6 but didnt start having sex with her until she was 9. Sick bastard


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJOWkF9oUzc

Depending on the interpretation, Mary was either 12, 13 or 14 when she became pregnant with Jesus!

[torker]

Glass Joe has died
Glass Joe is risen
Glass Joe will come again
:innocent:

[tanless1]

Imaculant conception.....little differnt the intercourse w/a 9 year old.

[EliSnow]

Imaculant conception.....little differnt the intercourse w/a 9 year old.
The immaculate conception was not the conception of Jesus. It was when Mary was conceived.

[El Mudo]

The immaculate conception was not the conception of Jesus. It was when Mary was conceived.

I thought it was when Franco Harris illegally caught that pass?

[A.J.]

I thought it was when Franco Harris illegally caught that pass?

And they built a shrine in his honor.

http://www.jesusbewith.us/wp-gallery/national-shrine-immaculate-conception.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

Imaculant conception.....little differnt the intercourse w/a 9 year old.

I guess it's OK in your book when a 12-year-old girl is giving birth! PERVERT!

[Furtherman]

It's ridiculous that the term "immaculate conception" even exists.

[Barnaby Jones]

It's ridiculous that the term "immaculate conception" even exists.

Christians have been terrified of sex since day one! I think they just have no idea how anything works down there!

Not that the other major religions are much better! Just let the people bang!

[A.J.]

It's ridiculous that the term "immaculate conception" even exists.

A ridiculous name for a ridiculous concept.

[tanless1]

I don't recall her being 12,
conception/concieve. Immaculant conception does not refer to the birth of mary. Isn't the immaculant part that makes it a miracle.......pretty amazing.
Ok, let the insults ensue.....

[tanless1]

...I am rubber, you are glue....

[A.J.]

I don't recall her being 12,
conception/concieve. Immaculant conception does not refer to the birth of mary. Isn't the immaculant part that makes it a miracle.......pretty amazing.
Ok, let the insults ensue.....

IMMACULATE Conception. (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Christ is the Son of God, Mohammed is only a messenger, Im sure JC could channel his fathers power and Knock him out in the 1st round.

[tanless1]

Thanks AJ , however I do not believe that to be correct,,,,goes back to far. Might be the authors colar was to tight.

[Barnaby Jones]

Christ is the Son of God, Mohammed is only a messenger, Im sure JC could channel his fathers power and Knock him out in the 1st round.

Maybe Jesus was a just a prophet, too! BUSTED!

[tanless1]

....as much as I enjoy these conversations, have we not fallen off topic ?

[A.J.]

Maybe Jesus was a just a prophet, too! BUSTED!

To Muslims, yes. They claim he foretold of Muhammad -- the final prophet.

[EliSnow]

I don't recall her being 12,
conception/concieve. Immaculant conception does not refer to the birth of mary. Isn't the immaculant part that makes it a miracle.......pretty amazing.
Ok, let the insults ensue.....
you're right. Its not the birth of Mary, its her conception. Look it up. The immaculate refers to the fact that she was conceived without the stain of sin.

[tanless1]

It does strike me odd that their messages could be so different.
With christ taking away the power/authority of the church to abuse their paishoners through the extra sacrafices and/or monetary tribute( gleening percentages from curency exchanges or the selling of sacraficial game) that the priests would then take the best cut for their meals)
Mohamed insists that the church is the final answer, it is goverment, it is law....and abrutal one at that.
Joseph smith took a similar tact as mohamed in saying the jesus didn't get it right and he was chosen to clarify the word of god.
....I see it as two people attempting to insert themselves into a relationship that is not theirs to participate in.

[Barnaby Jones]

It does strike me odd that their messages could be so different.
With christ taking away the power/authority of the church to abuse their paishoners through the extra sacrafices and/or monetary tribute( gleening percentages from curency exchanges or the selling of sacraficial game) that the priests would then take the best cut for their meals)
Mohamed insists that the church is the final answer, it is goverment, it is law....and abrutal one at that.
Joseph smith took a similar tact as mohamed in saying the jesus didn't get it right and he was chosen to clarify the word of god.
....I see it as two people attempting to insert themselves into a relationship that is not theirs to participate in.

You've got an odd view in regards to what the Christians believe in terms of God and Jesus and the church!

[tanless1]

How so ? Are you speaking to the specificity regarding the 3 listed ? Naw, christ had a greater calling to be certain. I was only decribing a coralation....

[Barnaby Jones]

How so ? Are you speaking to the specificity regarding the 3 listed ? Naw, christ had a greater calling to be certain. I was only decribing a coralation....

You seem to be talking like Jesus wanted to somehow free the people from the church or religious control, and that's not really the case! According to the Bible Christ/God wanted everyone to follow THEIR church with their lives and God help (literally!) anyone who doesn't!

[Furtherman]

You're all talking as if any of these things actually exist.

[disneyspy]

You're all talking as if any of these things actually exist.

if jesus hadnt lived,mel gibson wouldnt have made that movie,dumbass

[Furtherman]

if jesus hadnt lived,mel gibson wouldnt have made that movie,dumbass

That's why they call it science fiction, jerkstore!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

You're all talking as if any of these things actually exist.

I'm trying to be diplomatic!

[tanless1]

And your doing fine barnaby, don't sweat it.......

[tanless1]

The way the truth and the light.
.... christ came as the final blood sacrafice.
Consider that god is never wrong,but the structure was flawed,maybe even childish,vengeful. Stonings, flogings....old testemant stuff(the stuff muslims seem to still be living with).
So,only begotten son, virgin birth,,,,to die for all of our sins and the sins yet to come.

"Whereever 2 or 3 are gatherd in his name"
....it was not about belonging to a church, it was about developing a relationship with the creator....

[Barnaby Jones]

What about all the stuff with Paul/Saul? That was just for shits and giggles?

[hanso]

....as much as I enjoy these conversations, have we not fallen off topic ?

Yep, {awesome monkey god}. And no one posted a pic of king kong climbing that building.

[Recyclerz]

In his campaign ads, Rand Paul definitely played up the morals angle, talking about stuff like how he's opposed to abortion, etc. He did kind of play into the Tea Party angle with ads attacking the "out of control" federal government, but he didn't really directly use any teabagger talking points.

It was interesting that Grayson attacked him as nutty for some of those Tea Party ideas, like repealing the Patriot Act, and statements he'd made about Iran not being an immediate threat if it just has one or two nukes (both statements I agree with, oddly enough), and obviously it didn't work. So we'll see how Conway uses that line of attack. I think the best course for him is to paint Rand Paul as a ideologue who really would have no idea how to actually be a decent Senator.

Well it didn't take Dr. Paul long to get caught in his zipper.

Paul’s Views on Civil Rights Cause a Stir (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/20/pauls-views-on-civil-rights-cause-a-stir/?hp)

In a way i've got to feel sorry for the guy, and for my Libertarian friends in general, who think that their historical moment has come. They have bought into the media narrative that the Tea Party is a genuine grass-roots movement that is horrified that the Federal Government has aggregated so much power to itself. I think that the so-called Tea Party movement is really a label for an agglomeration of groups including unquestioning Fox News/Right-wing radio fans, real Libertarians, & people who don't follow politics closely but who are (understandably and properly) concerned that their economic prospects going forward are looking a little bleak, who are only really united over the ideas that they would like to pay lower taxes and it is fun to mock out Democrats in general and the Kenyan in the White House in particular.

This is not meant to be a diminishment of Libertarian ideas, but that it is my considered opinion that only a small fraction of the population actually support them, and that even within the Tea Party rallies the support for those ideas only rises marginally.

[Barnaby Jones]

Well it didn't take Dr. Paul long to get caught in his zipper.

Paul’s Views on Civil Rights Cause a Stir (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/20/pauls-views-on-civil-rights-cause-a-stir/?hp)

In a way i've got to feel sorry for the guy, and for my Libertarian friends in general, who think that their historical moment has come. They have bought into the media narrative that the Tea Party is a genuine grass-roots movement that is horrified that the Federal Government has aggregated so much power to itself. I think that the so-called Tea Party movement is really a label for an agglomeration of groups including unquestioning Fox News/Right-wing radio fans, real Libertarians, & people who don't follow politics closely but who are (understandably and properly) concerned that their economic prospects going forward are looking a little bleak, who are only really united over the ideas that they would like to pay lower taxes and it is fun to mock out Democrats in general and the Kenyan in the White House in particular.

This is not meant to be a diminishment of Libertarian ideas, but that it is my considered opinion that only a small fraction of the population actually support them, and that even within the Tea Party rallies the support for those ideas only rises marginally.

Well said, chum!

[Recyclerz]

Thanks budday. Nice work solving all those crimes back in the '70's.

[Barnaby Jones]

Mannix ain't got nothing on me!

[torker]

Democrats Declare: We are not PUSSIES, no more

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[Fillmore Slim]

Good for Etheridge.

[Jujubees2]

Mannix ain't got nothing on me!

Yeah but Jim Rockford could show you a thing or two...

[Recyclerz]

More evidence that the "Tea Party" is the same old set of right-wingers with a new marketing strategy. (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/on-social-issues-tea-partiers-are-not-libertarians/64169/)

Also more evidence that the mainstream "news" platforms (excluding NPR) buy into every shiny object that gets twinkled in front of them. :annoyed: