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[Death Metal Moe]

This is what has always been said when this happens. Whether it's been about Casey or Dave or the half dozen other incidents where Wackbag's members have been painted as hateful inbred retards.

They might as well be Muslims. As long as you let the hateful minority exemplify for the so-called silent nicey-nice majority it really isn't anyone else's fault for seeing Wackbag this way than Wackbag itself. If you allow the assholes to be the most vociferous members of your group that's all you will be seen to be.

Umm, no. It's nothing like that at all. What an awful, awful example.

Because you don't go on Wackbag, you only hear about them when someone says something so outrageous that they talk about it over here. They're not imposing their opinions on anyone else, you have to go on their message board to even fucking read them.

And if you don't want to read them, don't go there. Why is this so fucking hard? It's like you're all just pissed as can be that a place you never go to is saying things you don't agree with. Guess what, that would include EVERY OTHER MESSAGE BOARD IN THE WORLD. Someone is saying something you don't agree with. Deal with it.

[n0thng2bdone]

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[brettmojo]

Umm, no. It's nothing like that at all. What an awful, awful example.

Because you don't go on Wackbag, you only hear about them when someone says something so outrageous that they talk about it over here. They're not imposing their opinions on anyone else, you have to go on their message board to even fucking read them.
Assumptions, much like opinions, are like assholes too.

[Hottub]

Dave is doing what he has to do to be a good provider for his family. And he's doing it his way. Of course it would suck giving up a gig like he has now, but if Sirius doesn't agee to his terms, oh well. Seeya. That's what a responsible husband/dad does.
I would love to get out of my current gig and do something I enjoy for a living, but chances are I would take a pay cut and lose security. Since I am responsible for providing food and shelter for others, I can't do it.
Pretty simple.

Yes I would miss Dave, but I would fully understand and support his decision.

[angrymissy]

Umm, no. It's nothing like that at all. What an awful, awful example.

Because you don't go on Wackbag, you only hear about them when someone says something so outrageous that they talk about it over here. They're not imposing their opinions on anyone else, you have to go on their message board to even fucking read them.

And if you don't want to read them, don't go there. Why is this so fucking hard? It's like you're all just pissed as can be that a place you never go to is saying things you don't agree with. Guess what, that would include EVERY OTHER MESSAGE BOARD IN THE WORLD. Someone is saying something you don't agree with. Deal with it.

You love wackbag so much, WHY DON'T YOU GO MARRY THEM

[mikeyboy]

You love wackbag so much, WHY DON'T YOU GO MARRY THEM

hater

[disneyspy]

You love wackbag so much, WHY DON'T YOU GO MARRY THEM

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[ShowerBench]

the two responses that you lashed out at were civil.

Were they, though?

Originally Posted by Penelope
Even if he works at a gas station I'll still be a huge fan. I love him so much (in a non sexual way, no offense Casey)
davepound for life

There is some question-begging in there, to the effect that Moe or anyone who criticizes this effort necessarily doesn't like Dave. It's true of some, but not of others like Moe, and it is offensive to have your own point of view mischaracterized. Perhaps even "uncivil," and it called for Moe's assertive restatement that he likes Dave but questions this particular tactic.

Originally Posted by CountryBob
Why so angry?

That is a gratuitous and provocative comment, not particularly "civil" - so Moe's assertion that his knowledge and support of the Ron and Fez show should not be called into question, and his suggestion that any cunt who says otherwise should fuck their mothers sideways, were not unwarranted.

[red_red_red]

here miss showerbench, you'll be a good fit over here!! happy posting!
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=124060

[Melk]

The bottom line is they dont like Dave. Just like some people over here. And thats cool. But that thread, like this one wasnt for discussing your opinion on ESD, how he can better manage his money, his effect on the R & F show, or if hes a bad parent. It was to show people that WANT to support him how they can do it. Thats it.
If you have a thread titled, "Want to Save ESD?," don't be shocked when the people reply, "No" and give you reasons they don't want to.

[Fillmore Slim]

I wasn't aware that presenting an opposing opinion and presenting them with actual facts and firsthand knowledge rather than speculation, is trolling.
Well now you know. Don't let it happen again.:tongue:

His point was even responding to some of the people who are just known Dave haters is a waste of time. Those people aren't interested in a discussion, they're there to hate Dave.

Same stuff happens on this board when Fez is brought up. People who's screen names you haven't seen since the last Anti-Fez Fest pop up just to shit on Fez.

Yeah, what was the point I was trying to make.

[ShowerBench]

here miss showerbench, you'll be a good fit over here!! happy posting!
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=124060

I'll check it out..

But what if you don't like Dave's monopolizing of the mic on the current Ron and Fez show, DO like him in smaller doses, hope that he DOES stay with the show if it means he will return in small, tolerable doses AND Fez doesn't feel like he's performing with a bully in the room..but hope he DOESN'T stay with the show if he continues to be on the mic as much as he is at the expense of contributions by Fez and callers, and/or Fez continues to feel intimidated..And neither believe that he "deserves" a raise nor begrudge him one if Sirius is willing to part with more $$?

That falls short of the adoration of Dave and enjoyment of unlimited exposure to Dave combined with the contempt for Fez that seems to be required here, but it also doesn't qualify me for Wackbag.

I do think the Wackbag threads on these topics are funnier.

[red_red_red]

we need a no raise thread...that way ppl who disagree don't have to read each others (perceived) BS and get all angry and launch personal attacks

how bout them apples??
:drunk:

[SinFiction]

we need a no raise thread...that way ppl who disagree don't have to read each others (perceived) BS and get all angry and launch personal attacks

how bout them apples??
:drunk:


Do you even listen to RF?

[foodcourtdruide]

I'll check it out..

But what if you don't like Dave's monopolizing of the mic on the current Ron and Fez show, DO like him in smaller doses, hope that he DOES stay with the show if it means he will return in small, tolerable doses AND Fez doesn't feel like he's performing with a bully in the room..but hope he DOESN'T stay with the show if he continues to be on the mic as much as he is at the expense of contributions by Fez and callers, and/or Fez continues to feel intimidated..And neither believe that he "deserves" a raise nor begrudge him one if Sirius is willing to part with more $$?

That falls short of the adoration of Dave and enjoyment of unlimited exposure to Dave combined with the contempt for Fez that seems to be required here, but it also doesn't qualify me for Wackbag.

I do think the Wackbag threads on these topics are funnier.

This is so weird. Fez is a grown man. If he's being bullied, it's as much his own fault as it is Dave's.

[angrymissy]

here miss showerbench, you'll be a good fit over here!! happy posting!
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=124060

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Stupid Jeffy.

[sailor]

We need a contest to see if dude or showerbench is the best poster here.

[ShowerBench]

This is so weird. Fez is a grown man. If he's being bullied, it's as much his own fault as it is Dave's.

I disagree with that.

If Fez is bullied by the staff at a Roosevelt Island diner, it is up to him to do something about it and is as much his own fault as theirs if he returns to that establishment.

But Fez earned his role as a host of a radio show and hosts are ENTITLED to their idiosyncrasies - including sensitivity (or OVERsensitivity) to certain personality traits in support staff.

If problems arise, it is up to the staffer to adjust, it isn't up to a boss to "deal with it."

That remains true even if Fez doesn't do what many suggest he should - cut Dave's mic or become "stronger and healthier." He is entitled to both utilize Dave in whatever capacity he chooses including allowing him mic time, and simultaneously resent Dave's disrespectful behavior and attitude.

That is something so basic that it's mind-boggling that anyone including Dave would fail to comprehend it. His own sense of entitlement and lack of understanding of how the world works is unhealthier than Fez's shortcomings will ever be. If he gets a raise he will remain in a position that allows him to "be Dave" for as long as it lasts, but he'll come face to face with reality fairly soon anyway and it won't be like highin with Dickie.

Somewhat incidentally but relevant to Dave's lack of understanding about his own importance in the universe - Fez as unfathomably "self-centered" is a favorite talking point here, but he has nothing on Dave in that respect. I think the only time I've heard Dave express that something might approach himself in importance is when he talks about Strummer. (But even there, if we are comparing the two - Fez takes care of a cat who he doesn't like and believes doesn't like him.)

[ShowerBench]

we need a no raise thread...that way ppl who disagree don't have to read each others (perceived) BS and get all angry and launch personal attacks

how bout them apples??
:drunk:


I think it would be a bannable offense here even if a "Fire Earl" thread was allowed.

[Suspect Chin]

But Fez earned his role as a host of a radio show and hosts are ENTITLED to their idiosyncrasies - including sensitivity (or OVERsensitivity) to certain personality traits in support staff.

If problems arise, it is up to the staffer to adjust, it isn't up to a boss to "deal with it."



I think you're the last person on Earth who still thinks Fez has any control on the show. Just because he was once great doesn't mean he commands respect forever. The Rangers wouldn't bring out Nolan Ryan and expect batters to be afraid just because he was once a great pitcher.

Yeah, Fez earned his way to the top over the past 20 years, but he's been knocked from that pedestal. He is 'host' of the show the same way Queen Elizabeth is 'leader' of England--in name only. The show is funnier with Dave as second mic and ultimately that is what matters--fostering the situation that provides the most entertainment for us fans.

This doesn't mean I hate Fez it just means I want the most entertainment for my buck.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think it would be a bannable offense here even if a "Fire Earl" thread was allowed.

We had several Fire Earl threads, you fucktard.

[TripleSkeet]

According to whom? That's my point. I don't want your definition of "funny" to be mine. Is that OK with you?

Yea its fine. I wasnt telling you what to think is funny. But when I say those guys are as funny as leukemia, you dont need to fucking defend them either. Because my opinion isnt going to change. So dont bother wasting your time Mr. BAC holder 2167589253484552284.

If you have a thread titled, "Want to Save ESD?," don't be shocked when the people reply, "No" and give you reasons they don't want to.

Actually it says "Wanna save East Side Dave? Follow him on Twitter". It doesnt ask for your opinions on if you want to or not and why. Nobody gives a fuck. If the answer was no you didnt even have to bother stopping in. Theres plenty of "Why I hate ESD" threads for you to pitch that bullshit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

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Stupid Jeffy.

It's OK, you'lll have a new one soon enough.

[ShowerBench]

I think you're the last person on Earth who still thinks Fez has any control on the show. Just because he was once great doesn't mean he commands respect forever. The Rangers wouldn't bring out Nolan Ryan and expect batters to be afraid just because he was once a great pitcher.

Yeah, Fez earned his way to the top over the past 20 years, but he's been knocked from that pedestal. He is 'host' of the show the same way Queen Elizabeth is 'leader' of England--in name only. The show is funnier with Dave as second mic and ultimately that is what matters--fostering the situation that provides the most entertainment for us fans.

This doesn't mean I hate Fez it just means I want the most entertainment for my buck.

This is wrong because your argument doesn't hold up when you replay the shows from the days Dave was out. More Fez, more callers = more interesting, and funnier over a four-hour show.

Naturally that is a matter of opinion, but if "Ron and Fez" of 2002 is the gold standard, and I believe it is, those shows were MUCH closer than the typical show involving Dave as "second mic."

[Tenbatsuzen]

You love wackbag so much, WHY DON'T YOU GO MARRY THEM

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[TripleSkeet]

I think you're the last person on Earth who still thinks Fez has any control on the show.

Fez couldnt even fire that fat intern kid.

[yojimbo7248]

Huh?
What?
Cheers, Red.:drunk:

Kimberly is the best.

[Tenbatsuzen]

2010 Matty = There's pages of discussion on Wackbag homosexuality and I'm not saying a GOT-DAMN WORD

[yojimbo7248]

here miss showerbench, you'll be a good fit over here!! happy posting!
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=124060

I'd pay good money to see Red mud wrestle Showerbench

[Suspect Chin]

This is wrong because your argument doesn't hold up when you replay the shows from the days Dave was out. More Fez, more callers = more interesting, and funnier over a four-hour show.

Naturally that is a matter of opinion, but if "Ron and Fez" of 2002 is the gold standard, and I believe it is, those shows were MUCH closer than the typical show involving Dave as "second mic."

I think someone already said it, but if Dave leaves, the show won't ever return back to 2002 days. If I had to guess, I would say it would be a lot of Fez bringing up a recent study and Ron shooting it down. The days of Fez contributing comedy to the show are all but over and I think he and Ron both know it. I do still believe that Fez is an important part of the show (fodder for Ron) but he isn't contributing much comedy directly.

I think the show is the funniest it has ever been for the following reasons--more Dave and less callers. About 1 in 10 callers has something decent to say and the other 9 get immediately clicked by Ron. This isn't to say that all the callers suck, I just believe that the show doesn't need callers; they do a fine job of keeping the conversation rolling without callers.

[foodcourtdruide]

I disagree with that.

If Fez is bullied by the staff at a Roosevelt Island diner, it is up to him to do something about it and is as much his own fault as theirs if he returns to that establishment.

But Fez earned his role as a host of a radio show and hosts are ENTITLED to their idiosyncrasies - including sensitivity (or OVERsensitivity) to certain personality traits in support staff.

If problems arise, it is up to the staffer to adjust, it isn't up to a boss to "deal with it."

That remains true even if Fez doesn't do what many suggest he should - cut Dave's mic or become "stronger and healthier." He is entitled to both utilize Dave in whatever capacity he chooses including allowing him mic time, and simultaneously resent Dave's disrespectful behavior and attitude.

That is something so basic that it's mind-boggling that anyone including Dave would fail to comprehend it. His own sense of entitlement and lack of understanding of how the world works is unhealthier than Fez's shortcomings will ever be. If he gets a raise he will remain in a position that allows him to "be Dave" for as long as it lasts, but he'll come face to face with reality fairly soon anyway and it won't be like highin with Dickie.

Somewhat incidentally but relevant to Dave's lack of understanding about his own importance in the universe - Fez as unfathomably "self-centered" is a favorite talking point here, but he has nothing on Dave in that respect. I think the only time I've heard Dave express that something might approach himself in importance is when he talks about Strummer. (But even there, if we are comparing the two - Fez takes care of a cat who he doesn't like and believes doesn't like him.)


I did not mean my post as a defense of Dave, as I agree that his view of reality is pretty warped. However, I disagree with your points regarding Fez being entitled a position of not being bullied. Radio is EXTREMELY competitive, and personalities who lose a step will be replaced. I don't understand why you think there should be a sense of fairness or balance to how Fez is treated by the rest of the staff, radio is a business and these are their jobs. If Fez is being overshadowed by other personalities they will command the majority of airtime. Fez feeling bullied and allowing those feelings to diminish his performance is as much HIS FAULT as it is Dave's or Ron's or anyone elses. I think Dave was probably naturally in line to take over for Fez at some point, but rather than the two acknowledging it, and attempting to make the transition smooth, Dave began to quietly (and at times forcefully) position himself and Fez became extremely defensive. This is why we are where we are today.

[yojimbo7248]

I did not mean my post as a defense of Dave, as I agree that his view of reality is pretty warped. However, I disagree with your points regarding Fez being entitled a position of not being bullied. Radio is EXTREMELY competitive, and personalities who lose a step will be replaced. I don't understand why you think there should be a sense of fairness or balance to how Fez is treated by the rest of the staff, radio is a business and these are their jobs. If Fez is being overshadowed by other personalities they will command the majority of airtime. Fez feeling bullied and allowing those feelings to diminish his performance is as much HIS FAULT as it is Dave's or Ron's or anyone elses. I think Dave was probably naturally in line to take over for Fez at some point, but rather than the two acknowledging it, and attempting to make the transition smooth, Dave began to quietly (and at times forcefully) position himself and Fez became extremely defensive. This is why we are where we are today.

Well said

[TripleSkeet]

I still dont get the people that say Dave bullied his way into Fezs position. I really dont. Every show I listen to this is what a I hear:

Fez "Theres a study going around now that says cats like to eat peanut butter."

30 seconds of silence

Ron "So I was watching a show on medieval warriors last night. And they said a Spartan could beat a Ninja in a fight. What do you think Dave?"

Dave "Theres no way. Ninjas are deadly and stealth. No way a Spartan would even see them coming."

Ron "What do you think Fez? You think a Spartan could kill a ninja?"

Fez " Uh....maybe"

Ron "Well what other weapons did they have Dave?"

Dave" talky talky talky..."

Ron "Talky talky talky.."

Repeat for 30 minutes until a live read.

That doesnt sound like Daves bullying him out of anything to me.

[Tallman388]

I still dont get the people that say Dave bullied his way into Fezs position. I really dont.

People say it because Ron has said it a couple of times to get Fez going, and then they run with it. Like when Ron got mad at Dave and said he doesn't even produce that much any more, boy did they take that ball and run with it.

[Suspect Chin]

People say it because Ron has said it a couple of times to get Fez going, and then they run with it. Like when Ron got mad at Dave and said he doesn't even produce that much any more, boy did they take that ball and run with it.

If anyone bullies Fez, it's Ron. But then again, Ron bullies everyone on the show. The difference is, Dave (and Pepper to an extent) runs with it and makes it funny. Fez clams up and starts the pity party.

[kratos]

-snip-

I've taken to saying (half-jokingly) to my co-workers that it's my job to be better than them. We all like phrases like "knowledge transfer", "mentoring", and "teamwork" until the jobs are on the chopping block.

[foodcourtdruide]

I still dont get the people that say Dave bullied his way into Fezs position. I really dont. Every show I listen to this is what a I hear:

Fez "Theres a study going around now that says cats like to eat peanut butter."

30 seconds of silence

Ron "So I was watching a show on medieval warriors last night. And they said a Spartan could beat a Ninja in a fight. What do you think Dave?"

Dave "Theres no way. Ninjas are deadly and stealth. No way a Spartan would even see them coming."

Ron "What do you think Fez? You think a Spartan could kill a ninja?"

Fez " Uh....maybe"

Ron "Well what other weapons did they have Dave?"

Dave" talky talky talky..."

Ron "Talky talky talky.."

Repeat for 30 minutes until a live read.

That doesnt sound like Daves bullying him out of anything to me.

I don't know if "bully" is the correct word, but I think Dave definitely undermines Fez. I've heard times Dave is either giddy or quick to pile on when Fez fucks up or something he brings to the show falls flat. It would be like joining one of your bosses while another boss is making-fun-of or berating him/her. It's a passive agressive attempt to position yourself as equal to the berating boss, while being dominant to the boss being berated.

[foodcourtdruide]

I've taken to saying (half-jokingly) to my co-workers that it's my job to be better than them. We all like phrases like "knowledge transfer", "mentoring", and "teamwork" until the jobs are on the chopping block.

Sorry, it's late and I'm working and feeling a little slow. What do you mean?

[ShowerBench]

I think someone already said it, but if Dave leaves, the show won't ever return back to 2002 days. If I had to guess, I would say it would be a lot of Fez bringing up a recent study and Ron shooting it down. The days of Fez contributing comedy to the show are all but over and I think he and Ron both know it.

But there is the striking difference between the shows done in Dave's absence and the ones since, with regard to Fez's participation and overall quality, so that just doesn't hold up.

Radio is EXTREMELY competitive, and personalities who lose a step will be replaced. I don't understand why you think there should be a sense of fairness or balance to how Fez is treated by the rest of the staff, radio is a business and these are their jobs.

It's not a staffer's job to make a host uncomfortable and it has never happened before with any previous staffer on the Ron and Fez show. Fez's performance is inextricably linked to how he is treated by support staff, and Fez obviously can only be FEZ if he is afforded a degree of respect without having to fight for it. Fez being accommodated so that he can be Fez should have been Dave's top concern all along because it is necessary for a good Ron and Fez show. That, evidently, is not Dave's primary goal.

I think Dave was probably naturally in line to take over for Fez at some point, but rather than the two acknowledging it, and attempting to make the transition smooth, Dave began to quietly (and at times forcefully) position himself and Fez became extremely defensive. This is why we are where we are today.

I agree with the second part of that but not the first. I don't think Dave would be a good co-host in general. Special Delivery isn't very good. I think he's too frenetic to interact with another person over a long period of time (three or four hours) without causing half the audience to tune him out as noise. I do that, which means I also miss half of what Ron says. I don't think he would ever make a good co-host to Ron for that reason.

When he is hilarious, it is usually inadvertently and not in the midst of a "serious" conversation about movies, film, etc. - for example today when he announced (and I believe mostly meant) that he no longer fears death thanks to the Lost finale.

He's good as a true third mic or a solo act but I think his current typical contribution to Ron and Fez isn't right for that show, even independent of his, and as you put it, forceful way of putting himself into that role.

[ShowerBench]

If anyone bullies Fez, it's Ron. But then again, Ron bullies everyone on the show. The difference is, Dave (and Pepper to an extent) runs with it and makes it funny. Fez clams up and starts the pity party.

I don't think Fez experiences anything Ron does as "bullying"

[Hottub]

Kimberly is the best.

No doubt.

[StanUpshaw]

I don't know if "bully" is the correct word, but I think Dave definitely undermines Fez. I've heard times Dave is either giddy or quick to pile on when Fez fucks up or something he brings to the show falls flat. It would be like joining one of your bosses while another boss is making-fun-of or berating him/her. It's a passive agressive attempt to position yourself as equal to the berating boss, while being dominant to the boss being berated.

What do people not understand about this how the radio job is completely incomparable to normal jobs?

Dave joining Ron to make fun of Fez is not like you joining your boss to make fun of the middle manager. It would be like you and your boss making decisions at a budget meeting because the middle manager has completely checked out and doesn't give a fuck.

[Suspect Chin]

I don't think Fez experiences anything Ron does as "bullying"

So the hour long bit last week about the list of celebrities most known for representing a product was well received by Fez? Ron had him on the verge of crying several times and kept twisting the knife even though there wasn't a bit of comedy in that entire hour. I'd call that bullying and I think Fez felt it.

[foodcourtdruide]

damn you for using multiple quotes! :)




It's not a staffer's job to make a host uncomfortable and it has never happened before with any previous staffer on the Ron and Fez show. Fez's performance is inextricably linked to how he is treated by support staff, and Fez obviously can only be FEZ if he is afforded a degree of respect without having to fight for it. Fez being accommodated so that he can be Fez should have been Dave's top concern all along because it is necessary for a good Ron and Fez show. That, evidently, is not Dave's primary goal.



I don't know why you think Fez can only be Fez if he doesn't have to fight for it. Have you heard Fez's voice? Look at the medium he's in. Fez, at one point, was a fighter. You have faith in two things that I don't see any proof of:

1. Without Dave, Fez would be stronger.
2. If Fez has no competition for second mic on the show, he would be stronger.

I'm sorry, but I don't see what evidence you have of this.


I agree with the second part of that but not the first. I don't think Dave would be a good co-host in general. Special Delivery isn't very good. I think he's too frenetic to interact with another person over a long period of time (three or four hours) without causing half the audience to tune him out as noise. I do that, which means I also miss half of what Ron says. I don't think he would ever make a good co-host to Ron for that reason.

When he is hilarious, it is usually inadvertently and not in the midst of a "serious" conversation about movies, film, etc. - for example today when he announced (and I believe mostly meant) that he no longer fears death thanks to the Lost finale.

He's good as a true third mic or a solo act but I think his current typical contribution to Ron and Fez isn't right for that show, even independent of his, and as you put it, forceful way of putting himself into that role.

For the most part, I agree with you. However, I think Special Delivery is a good show and I would give him a shot as second mic in a mostly Ron dominated show. The show would be more of a "Bennington and Friends" as opposed to Ron and Dave.

[Suspect Chin]

For the most part, I agree with you. However, I think Special Delivery is a good show and I would give him a shot as second mic in a mostly Ron dominated show. The show would be more of a "Bennington and Friends" as opposed to Ron and Dave.

"Bennington and Friends" is what the show is now! You've described the Ron and Fez show perfectly in its current form.

[foodcourtdruide]

What do people not understand about this how the radio job is completely incomparable to normal jobs?

Dave joining Ron to make fun of Fez is not like you joining your boss to make fun of the middle manager. It would be like you and your boss making decisions at a budget meeting because the middle manager has completely checked out and doesn't give a fuck.

How is it all that different? There are social interactions at any job. People get made-fun-of (maybe in a more pc way) and berated in the real world too.

[foodcourtdruide]

"Bennington and Friends" is what the show is now! You've described the Ron and Fez show perfectly in its current form.

Very true.

[StanUpshaw]

How is it all that different? There are social interactions at any job. People get made-fun-of (maybe in a more pc way) and berated in the real world too.

Of course, but in normal situations it would just that - a social interaction. It's not a part of the job, and probably shouldn't be tolerated.

But on the radio, making fun of a half-retarded lummox is the business. It is the service being provided. It is the widget coming off the assembly line. You can't judge the ball busting that goes on there using the normal set of criteria.

[ShowerBench]

So the hour long bit last week about the list of celebrities most known for representing a product was well received by Fez? Ron had him on the verge of crying several times and kept twisting the knife even though there wasn't a bit of comedy in that entire hour. I'd call that bullying and I think Fez felt it.

I thought that segment was very good.

You've heard Fez admit that he doesn't like the fact that he cries too much and is trying to change that. During that bit, Fez just kept going with it and in a sense "accepted" that he was on the verge of tears, which is different (and better) than clamming up. I don't think he saw it as bullying, but rather as him being submerged into a very uncomfortable situation that he recognized shouldn't have felt uncomfortable at all, and in which it was up to HIM to claw his way out.

Given that the context was vintage Ron and Fez absurdity - a test involving which celebs are most connected to products that created as much tension as the Bay of Pigs, it was hilarious.

If Dave had been applying the pressure, though, Fez would be furious and probably would stop speaking. There would be no redeeming entertainment in it.

damn you for using multiple quotes! :)

I don't know why you think Fez can only be Fez if he doesn't have to fight for it. Have you heard Fez's voice? Look at the medium he's in. Fez, at one point, was a fighter. You have faith in two things that I don't see any proof of:

1. Without Dave, Fez would be stronger.
2. If Fez has no competition for second mic on the show, he would be stronger.

I'm sorry, but I don't see what evidence you have of this.


The shows Dave was out, Fez was better. Also, we hear Fez react angrily to certain things Dave does - usually piling on of one degree or another. He doesn't hide the fact that this bothers him and if you've listened long enough you know that the end result is that Fez is too paranoid to say anything lest it be followed by Dave giggling and callers mocking him. I don't know if I agree that Fez has ever been a "fighter" or had to be.

:wub: multi-quotes!

[Suspect Chin]

I thought that segment was very good.

This cannot possibly be true. I honestly almost made a thread that day entitled "The Worst Hour In R&F History" because that bit was so bad.

[TripleSkeet]

This cannot possibly be true. I honestly almost made a thread that day entitled "The Worst Hour In R&F History" because that bit was so bad.

Where were you during the "Second Hand Smoke Monster"?

[Suspect Chin]

Where were you during the "Second Hand Smoke Monster"?

Must have missed that one. Actually sounds kinda funny though assuming it was a one liner from Ron.

[Dirtbag]

This is wrong because your argument doesn't hold up when you replay the shows from the days Dave was out. More Fez, more callers = more interesting, and funnier over a four-hour show.
That's officially the most bat shit crazy thing you've said in a thread full of bat shit craziness. I can understand your blind and misguided loyalty to Fez and I can understand your dislike for Dave. But saying callers, ESPECIALLY the satellite callers, are more interesting and/or funnier than Dave is absolutely ludicrous. I would rather listen to Fez cry and stumble through live reads for four hours than listen to the callers for five minutes.

[ShowerBench]

That's officially the most bat shit crazy thing you've said in a thread full of bat shit craziness. I can understand your blind and misguided loyalty to Fez and I can understand your dislike for Dave. But saying callers, ESPECIALLY the satellite callers, are more interesting and/or funnier than Dave is absolutely ludicrous. I would rather listen to Fez cry and stumble through live reads for four hours than listen to the callers for five minutes.

It wasn't so much the quality of every single caller, but the variety of viewpoints and interaction with Ron and Fez. It was more interesting than hearing them converse with one person (Dave) whose take on most subjects isn't particularly interesting or funny or insightful even if somewhat informed on a limited few subjects.

The whole contempt-for-Fez vibe was absent on the no-Dave shows including on the callers' part, which is one reason they were better.

[foodcourtdruide]

The shows Dave was out, Fez was better. Also, we hear Fez react angrily to certain things Dave does - usually piling on of one degree or another. He doesn't hide the fact that this bothers him and if you've listened long enough you know that the end result is that Fez is too paranoid to say anything lest it be followed by Dave giggling and callers mocking him. I don't know if I agree that Fez has ever been a "fighter" or had to be.

:wub: multi-quotes!

When Dave is out Fez is not the primary target of Ron, that is true. However, I don't know if I'd say Fez was much better. A few months ago someone asked Ron what Ron was like prior to the XM Show, and Ron said something like, "believe it or not, the old Ronnie B. was very dependent on Fez." It's absolutely amazing, but this is 100% true. Fez drove the WNEW/JFK shows as much as Ron did, if not more. The shows where Dave is out, there is simply no one ganging up on Fez, however I wouldn't go as far as to say that Fez was back to his old form or even any place near it. I think we just have a fundamental disagreement. You are placing the blame for Dave's overshadowing of Fez on Dave, whereas I am saying Fez is just as responsible.

[foodcourtdruide]

Where were you during the "Second Hand Smoke Monster"?

Lol. I loved that!

[ShowerBench]

This cannot possibly be true. I honestly almost made a thread that day entitled "The Worst Hour In R&F History" because that bit was so bad.

What time of day did you listen to it?

[Suspect Chin]

What time of day did you listen to it?

It was actually a few days later on Audible and sometime in the afternoon I believe.

[Chigworthy]

This is why there is so much contradiction and disparity here. There are several posters that actually think that the 2nd hand smoke monster and which celebrity is most associated with a product that they sponsor makes good radio. It's like watching a movie with someone who only sees one color.

[Recyclerz]

This cannot possibly be true. I honestly almost made a thread that day entitled "The Worst Hour In R&F History" because that bit was so bad.



Agreed. That break brough to mind the time, awhile ago,when Ron took umbrage at being characterized as the ghoul that pushed the Teddy bear (Fez) out into the river in a leaky boat to drown. He came damn close to living up to the rep that day. And Im not sure Ron's disdain for fez's "contributions" has abated much since.

[StanUpshaw]

Secondhand Smoke Monster was fine.

The character itself was no worse than most of his character showdown characters, and the way it got set up with the tease, the tepid reviews, the apprehension, then finally just debuting it and hanging him out to dry...it made for a humorous bit.




Anything pudding or chocolate cow related just made me feel sad.

[Chigworthy]

Secondhand Smoke Monster was fine.

The character itself was no worse than most of his character showdown characters, and the way it got set up with the tease, the tepid reviews, the apprehension, then finally just debuting it and hanging him out to dry...it made for a humorous bit.


I just found it sad and depressing.

[indymike]

So,

Since it appears that there are only two days left for Dave on the show, please support him if you care to by following him and davepound here:

http://twitter.com/eastsidedave http://twitter.com/eastsidedave

And if you can, make sure to add some or all of these tags to any of your 'save dave' tweets:

#savedave
#davepound
#sirius
#siriusXM

thanks!

[underdog]

But what if you don't like Dave's monopolizing of the mic on the current Ron and Fez show

Then send your complains to Ron, because he's the one who keeps bringing Dave onto the show.

This is wrong because your argument doesn't hold up when you replay the shows from the days Dave was out. More Fez, more callers = more interesting, and funnier over a four-hour show.

The first two shows when Dave was out with his heart condition were TERRIBLE. Fez got his legs after that, but there was so much fucking dead air on those first two shows. I don't think Fez said more than two words for over an hour the first show. It was just Ron.

[underdog]

This is why there is so much contradiction and disparity here. There are several posters that actually think that the 2nd hand smoke monster and which celebrity is most associated with a product that they sponsor makes good radio. It's like watching a movie with someone who only sees one color.

Is there anyone who actually thinks "Which Disney Princess had it worst?" was a good topic?

[LordJezo]

Is this a bit?

[yojimbo7248]

Is this a bit?

yes

[attackkatt64]

When Dave is out Fez is not the primary target of Ron, that is true. However, I don't know if I'd say Fez was much better. A few months ago someone asked Ron what Ron was like prior to the XM Show, and Ron said something like, "believe it or not, the old Ronnie B. was very dependent on Fez." It's absolutely amazing, but this is 100% true. Fez drove the WNEW/JFK shows as much as Ron did, if not more. The shows where Dave is out, there is simply no one ganging up on Fez, however I wouldn't go as far as to say that Fez was back to his old form or even any place near it. I think we just have a fundamental disagreement. You are placing the blame for Dave's overshadowing of Fez on Dave, whereas I am saying Fez is just as responsible.

Congrats, you get my very first post. Fez was a rock star back in Fla. This is a Fez I am not used to and it's getting old. But worse and the reason I had to sign up, is Dave.... I don't know what demo Ron was looking for and why everyone is kissing his ass. I have NEVER found anything humorous about him since he started. I guess this is what the 20-30 year olds like. Very sad, hope he get's bumped off.:thumbdown:

[Melk]

If the "Give Dave a Raise" campaign works, can we organize a "Hire Mooch" or "Rehire Earl" campaign?

[Chigworthy]

Congrats, you get my very first post. Fez was a rock star back in Fla. This is a Fez I am not used to and it's getting old. But worse and the reason I had to sign up, is Dave.... I don't know what demo Ron was looking for and why everyone is kissing his ass. I have NEVER found anything humorous about him since he started. I guess this is what the 20-30 year olds like. Very sad, hope he get's bumped off.:thumbdown:

Fuck off to post purgatory with that shit.

[Hottub]

If the "Give Dave a Raise" campaign works, can we organize a "Hire Mooch" or "Rehire Earl" campaign?

How about "Give the Mods a raise?"

[Dell]

Is this a bit?

whatever the outcome, it has already been determined...he either already has a raise or already committed to another job...the "save-dave" campaign keeps us wrestling fans engaged with the show while they are on vacation...gotta love these guys

[Melk]

How about "Give the Mods a raise?"
200% of 0 is still 0.

[spankyfrank]

How about "Give the Mods a raise?"

BOOOOOOO!!!!!

































I love you Tubby!!!!:wub:

[Melk]

whatever the outcome, it has already been determined...he either already has a raise or already committed to another job...the "save-dave" campaign keeps us wrestling fans engaged with the show while they are on vacation...gotta love these guys
I don't know who determined this, but I would believe that.

Now, let's start a "Fire Fez's Shrink" campaign.

[Dell]

I don't know who determined this, but I would believe that.

Now, let's start a "Fire Fez's Shrink" campaign.

I should have put "IMO" in front of that...I know nothing for sure and my inference is only based on the past as I perceive it...

[disneyspy]

I should have put "IMO" in front of that...I know nothing for sure and my inference is only based on the past as I perceive it...

the way they let this campaign slip into the shitter it has to be a bit to keep us interested over the break

[doodlehead]

Is there a site that supports Dave leaving the show? I wish him the best, but man I feel he is killing the show.

[Dell]

Is there a site that supports Dave leaving the show? I wish him the best, but man I feel he is killing the show.

I heard that site name is wackbag (or whackbag)...not real sure though...

[Chigworthy]

here miss showerbench, you'll be a good fit over here!! happy posting!
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=124060

This is perfect! Now I can go here after the day's "F.U. Line" promo on O&A is over so I can get more pathetic Norton shocky fake-outrage impersonation.

[TripleSkeet]

I heard that site name is wackbag (or whackbag)...not real sure though...

I thought it was Wakkabag.

[Chigworthy]

Wackbag? More like Backwag.

[oPant]

Wackbag? More like Backwag.

More like LickBalls, especially Opie's.

[indymike]

Unless something changes it looks like today will be Dave's last day on R&F (he and Sam still have at least one Special Delivery show on Saturday).

Please support him if you care to by following him and davepound here:

http://twitter.com/eastsidedave http://twitter.com/eastsidedave

And if you can, make sure to add some or all of these tags to any of your 'save dave' tweets:

#savedave
#davepound
#sirius
#siriusXM
#saveesd

[kratos]

Is there anyone who actually thinks "Which Disney Princess had it worst?" was a good topic?

I actually don't think it's bad...for a website poll or message board. Maybe even a one-man radio show or Catty Moment where one person could formulate an opinion statement and defend it. It doesn't seem to fit for an interactive show.

[indymike]

Unless something changes it looks like today will be Dave's last day on R&F (he and Sam still have at least one Special Delivery show on Saturday).

Please support him if you care to by following him and davepound here:

http://twitter.com/eastsidedave http://twitter.com/eastsidedave

And if you can, make sure to add some or all of these tags to any of your 'save dave' tweets:

#savedave
#davepound
#sirius
#siriusXM
#saveesd

Don't forget to let them know you want ESD to stay with the show. Please keep supporting.

Don't forget to also tune in to Special Delivery on Saturday @ 9pm Eastern for a new show!

[Fillmore Slim]

So, when will we know the out come? Seems like they should have wrapped this up before vacation. You would think a decision would have already been made.

[TjM]

So, when will we know the out come? Seems like they should have wrapped this up before vacation. You would think a decision would have already been made.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You fucking rube.

IT'S A FUCKING BIT

[foodcourtdruide]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You fucking rube.

IT'S A FUCKING BIT

Just like Earl leaving.

[Fillmore Slim]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You fucking rube.

IT'S A FUCKING BIT

It's a lot more fun to go along with it, where as there is zero enjoyment in being "it's all a bit" guy. If you want to go with the "it's all a bit" then why bother to listen. Why bother discussing the show on a message board. Hell, if the answer to everything is "it's just a bit", why even have a message board.


It's much more enjoyable if you just go along with it. Otherwise, what are you really listening to?

[indymike]

It's a lot more fun to go along with it, where as there is zero enjoyment in being "it's all a bit" guy. If you want to go with the "it's all a bit" then why bother to listen. Why bother discussing the show on a message board. Hell, if the answer to everything is "it's just a bit", why even have a message board.


It's much more enjoyable if you just go along with it. Otherwise, what are you really listening to?

Dave will be on Special Delivery on Saturday. If what he said today is accurate Sirius has until Sunday the 6th to work things out with him.

I don't think this is a bit - but I will be very happy if Dave comes back on the 7th - bit or no bit.

[Fillmore Slim]

Dave will be on Special Delivery on Saturday. If what he said today is accurate Sirius has until Sunday the 6th to work things out with him.

I don't think this is a bit - but I will be very happy if Dave comes back on the 7th - bit or no bit.

You and me both.

[Furtherman]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
You fucking rube.

IT'S A FUCKING BIT

Ease up there TjM... no need to bash other's concerns.