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Son of Muta
05-25-2010, 06:35 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/05/25/2010-05-25_gop_us_cant_afford_to_fund_entitlement_program_ for_911_rescue_workers.html

WASHINGTON - Republicans argued Tuesday that it would put the nation's finances at risk if Congress gave aiing Sept. 11 responders a permanent, guaranteed program to ensure they get health care.

Calling the Sept. 11 Health and Compensation Act a new "entitlement program" like Medicare, GOP members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee argued the nation already has too much that it must pay for. They said obligating the feds for lifetime care of tens of thousands of 9/11 responders was too much of a burden.

"By making this a new mandatory program, you jeopardize the financial health of the United States of America," said Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.).
And they argued that the heroes of Sept. 11, 2001, were already being cared for, noting the $150 million the Obama recently requested for this year.

Speaking to dozens of responders gathered in a Capitol Hill hearing chamber, Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.) argued that their demand for the federal government to help "would be just if we weren't spending money already."

"In fact, there's $131 million in the fund right now. The health care needs of first-time responders have been addressed," Shimkus declared, referring to contracts that are being spent now and were delayed by the federal government.

"There's $131 million there that's unspent," said Rogers. "The President said 150. Please don't make it a mandatory program. I agree with the President."

The bill aims to set up a permanent fund to care for ailing responders at a cost estimated around $11 billion over three decades.

Republicans want the responders to come back to Congress every year to make their case, which the legislators argued will help protect against fraud and waste.

"If this issue is so credible based on the results of Sept. 11, we shouldn't be afraid of going through the (budget) authorization process, and fight for the spending bill," said Shimkus.
Some also feared the measure might help people who are undeserving.

"Some of the conditions that are covered under this legislation seemed unusually broad to me because we're talking about asthma, sleep apnea, panic disorder, anxiety disorder, even substance abuse," said Kentucky Republican Rep. Ed Whitfield. "It's so broad that I think it's going to cover a lot of things that may not be directly related to this incident."
Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.) argued New York was trying to dump its responsibility for caring for victims of the terrorist attacks on the feds.
"Our support for them (responders) should not be a vehicle for cost-shifting," he said, pointing to the lengthy approval process of the workers' compensation system that generally helps people injured on the job.
"We may be encouraging waste, fraud and abuse - abuse such as New York City vigorously challenging more and more of these claims that our 9/11 heroes need, pushing more and more of them onto the World Trade Center health fund for relief," Gingrey argued.

The whole debate over whether the program should be mandatory or an annual discretionary program misses the point, said Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Brooklyn-Queens), saying it was Congress' obligation to help the people who answered the call almost nine years ago.

And, he noted, the health fund could not be an endless and growing entitlement like Medicare.

"There's a finite number of people," Weiner said. "That finite number of people is getting smaller and smaller every day because they're dying."
New Yorkers in the crowd were not impressed with the opposition.

"They always say the support us, but it's all about cost," said Jim Slevin, the vice presdent of the Uniformed Firefighters Association.

And coming back year after year to make the argument punishes people who are sick from their heroic service, said William Romaka, the association's sergeant at arms. "Coming back and forth every year is not easy for people who are ill," Romaka said.

Republicans were expected offer several amendments to the bill Tuesday afternoon, including restrictions on covering abortion and illegal immigrants.

badmonkey
05-25-2010, 06:42 PM
This wasn't addressed somewhere in the giant health care bill that was just passed?

Crispy123
05-26-2010, 02:16 PM
This wasn't addressed somewhere in the giant health care bill that was just passed?

Exactly, if it isn't bankers or oil executives the GOP couldn't be bothered.

Chigworthy
05-26-2010, 03:14 PM
Why does it take 11 billion dollars to take care of them?

badmonkey
05-26-2010, 06:10 PM
Exactly, if it isn't bankers or oil executives the GOP couldn't be bothered.

The health care bill written and passed by the Democratic Party doesn't cover 911 first responders because the GOP couldn't be bothered?

Kevin
05-26-2010, 06:33 PM
The health care bill written and passed by the Democratic Party doesn't cover 911 first responders because the GOP couldn't be bothered?

If Oil guys and Bankers were effected by it, they would have thrown a big hissy fit.

Dudeman
05-26-2010, 06:49 PM
This wasn't addressed somewhere in the giant health care bill that was just passed?

If it had been, it would have required more money, ie more taxes. The GOP would have complained about higher taxes, rather than framing it as "all americans paying a small amount individually to collectively have enough money to provide care to the first responders." One party's higher taxes/socialism is another's social responsibility.

The Jays
05-26-2010, 07:08 PM
They said obligating the feds for lifetime care of tens of thousands of 9/11 responders was too much of a burden.

So, it's totally fair to give lifetime care to veterans who fought in wars in the name of 9/11, but to give to the people who saved lives on that very day is going to break the bank.

hanso
05-26-2010, 11:39 PM
If Oil guys and Bankers were effected by it, they would have thrown a big hissy fit.

Cause will all know how well that trickle down stuff works.

Bob Impact
05-27-2010, 08:22 PM
If Oil guys and Bankers were effected by it, they would have thrown a big hissy fit.

Affected. Also, this the flimsiest argument I've read on this site in a long, long time.

epo
05-27-2010, 08:24 PM
Affected. Also, this the flimsiest argument I've read on this site in a long, long time.

True....but this is the valid point:

So, it's totally fair to give lifetime care to veterans who fought in wars in the name of 9/11, but to give to the people who saved lives on that very day is going to break the bank.

Seriously, it ain't that tough.

Bob Impact
05-27-2010, 08:28 PM
True....but this is the valid point:



Seriously, it ain't that tough.

I don't disagree that it's a valid point, and would make an interesting argument as one of the few valid (in my estimation) public services, I just don't have the energy to have it right now, so let's say I came in, corrected my biggest grammatical pet peeve, you and I had a drawn out discussion, in the process displaying our tremendous intellect & e-Peen sizes and call it a night?

:drunk:

Kevin
05-27-2010, 08:32 PM
Affected. Also, this the flimsiest argument I've read on this site in a long, long time.



Thanks for the spelling lesson teach.

Next time teach me how get someone way out of your league.

I just mean the Reps don't give a shit about the normal person when they arent in the home stretch of an election.... Thats all.

Furtherman
12-10-2010, 06:13 AM
GOP Filibuster Defeats 9/11 Responders Bill in the Senate

12/9/10 at 11:03 PM

Legislation to provide medical coverage to first responders on Sept. 11 has pretty much lost its last chance to pass this session, in what Mayor Bloomberg has declared “a tragic example of partisan politics trumping patriotism.” Senate Democrats made an attempt to begin debate on the $7.4 billion bill with a procedural vote, but they didn’t have the 60 that they needed to beat the Republican filibuster. If you’re the glass-is-half-full type, focus on supporters who say they might try to bring the bill forward again before the year’s out, or sneak it through in other legislation. Oh, Congress. [CNN]

O tidings of comfort and joy.

Jujubees2
12-10-2010, 08:44 AM
O tidings of comfort and joy.

Where's former mayor Giuliani on this? He tried to use 9/11 to help further his political career but where is he when the people who actually did the dirty work are sick?

Snacks
12-10-2010, 03:18 PM
Where's former mayor Giuliani on this? He tried to use 9/11 to help further his political career but where is he when the people who actually did the dirty work are sick?

Giuliani is a douche!

conman823
12-10-2010, 04:01 PM
Why does it take 11 billion dollars to take care of them?

That's a great question that nobody seems to have an answer for.

Also, if there is $150 million in a fund already why is it not getting spent?

TripleSkeet
12-10-2010, 04:43 PM
That's a great question that nobody seems to have an answer for.

Also, if there is $150 million in a fund already why is it not getting spent?

That number is based on if every one of them lived a full life. Take 30 years of inflation and 10's of thousands of people getting old and dealing with things like cancer and heart problems, now factor in all the health problems these people are expected to have due to their exposure at Ground Zero.

TripleSkeet
12-10-2010, 04:44 PM
Calling the Sept. 11 Health and Compensation Act a new "entitlement program" like Medicare, GOP members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee argued the nation already has too much that it must pay for. They said obligating the feds for lifetime care of tens of thousands of 9/11 responders was too much of a burden.

That takes some balls right there.

WRESTLINGFAN
12-10-2010, 04:57 PM
Why does congress always dick around when it comes to issues like this and when funding the VA? Cut the entitlements to these illegal fucks and their anchor babies and provide those funds to people who deserve it.


Its not that complicated!!!!!! :wallbash:

spoon
12-10-2010, 05:03 PM
anchor babies

band name anyone?

Tenbatsuzen
12-10-2010, 07:57 PM
Here's my dumb question on the 9/11 responders bill.

The cop and firefighters union are extremely powerful and already have top-notch health care. Don't they? So I don't understand the point of the need for MORE care.

TripleSkeet
12-10-2010, 08:41 PM
Here's my dumb question on the 9/11 responders bill.

The cop and firefighters union are extremely powerful and already have top-notch health care. Don't they? So I don't understand the point of the need for MORE care.

You realize even though they are in a union, they still pay for that shit, right?

conman823
12-10-2010, 08:41 PM
Here's my dumb question on the 9/11 responders bill.

The cop and firefighters union are extremely powerful and already have top-notch health care. Don't they? So I don't understand the point of the need for MORE care.

I would say the majority of the clean-up crews and secondary responders weren't Union members.

I would think that Union PD and FD personnel who already have perfectly good health care (That my tax dollars already foot the bill for) should NOT be included in this group.

conman823
12-10-2010, 08:42 PM
You realize even though they are in a union, they still pay for that shit, right?

.....barely when compared to non-union workers.

But the Union ass rape of Healthcare is a complete other topic.

conman823
12-10-2010, 08:45 PM
That number is based on if every one of them lived a full life. Take 30 years of inflation and 10's of thousands of people getting old and dealing with things like cancer and heart problems, now factor in all the health problems these people are expected to have due to their exposure at Ground Zero.

To me there needs to be some control over what should be covered.

Lung Problems, fine.

Type 2 diabetes because you like to eat at McDonalds 18 times a week, not covered.

There needs to be some sort of referal system made with this money or else it will just explode and become a money pit.

hanso
12-11-2010, 05:59 AM
Screw the sick, old and poor. It's all about big daddy warbucks baby. Speaking of war. Yes We Can.....bomb the shit out of some country that did nothing. 2012.

Tenbatsuzen
12-11-2010, 07:23 AM
I would say the majority of the clean-up crews and secondary responders weren't Union members.

So if they are clean-up crews and secondary responders, please do not call them "people who saved lives" or compare them to veterans. Because at that point, they should know damn well what they were getting into.

Snacks
12-11-2010, 07:28 AM
You realize even though they are in a union, they still pay for that shit, right?

Not in NJ they dont. They police and fire union has made a big stink about paying 2% towards their health care. Yeah they are paying lots! Even if they paid 2% that would be a gift for the coverage they get!

Tenbatsuzen
12-11-2010, 02:09 PM
Not in NJ they dont. They police and fire union has made a big stink about paying 2% towards their health care. Yeah they are paying lots! Even if they paid 2% that would be a gift for the coverage they get!

Police and Fire? It was teachers, not police and fire.

TripleSkeet
12-11-2010, 03:18 PM
There needs to be some sort of referal system made with this money or else it will just explode and become a money pit.

It cannot become a money pit. Thats the point. There are a set number of people this would benefit. As they die off there is nobody coming in to take their place. Thats why comparing it Medicare is not only ballsy but also stupid. Once they die out, its over.

I personally dont care if they give it to them, even if its health issues not caused by Ground Zero. They deserve it for helping the way they did. Is it such a hard thing to do to reward people for doing something good?

WRESTLINGFAN
12-22-2010, 10:40 AM
No link yet. The bill passed in the Senate

Furtherman
12-22-2010, 11:08 AM
No link yet. The bill passed in the Senate

Damage has been done to the GOP. Now we'll see tons of "Congressman X delayed the 9/11 First Responders Bill" ads come election time.

Way to show some good use of your new found power.

Jujubees2
12-22-2010, 11:12 AM
So if they are clean-up crews and secondary responders, please do not call them "people who saved lives" or compare them to veterans. Because at that point, they should know damn well what they were getting into.

Yeah, they shouldn't have listened to government officials (EPA Administrator Christie Whitman) wen they said the air was fine at Ground Zero.