It's over.

[StanUpshaw]

Time of death

9:54 PM
6/5/2010

[Pestz4Evah]

complete bullshit.

[Meataball23]

Do what now?

[elitemrp]

I'm going to miss Dave :(

[razorboy]

Your sobriety?

[Lady Resin]

Canceling. I have other ways to listen. Stupid fucks!

[Meataball23]

Return of the midnite rider?

[Space Edge]

There are going to be a lot of one sided conversations going on.

[indymike]

Return of the midnite rider?

If you are tuned into S&D they seem to have made it quite clear its not a bit.

[celery]

Nothing is over. The show has coped with the losses of

Dumpy
Al Dukes
Billy Staples
Earl Douglas
Wonderboy
J Dubs
Keisha
and on and on and on...

Admittedly, I'll miss Dave and he's arguably the best third mic they've ever had. But Hicks and Fez will step up and they'll hire someone else at 35k/year to fill Dave's spot.

Over the years, the only thing consistent about the Ron and Fez show is Ron. He could make interesting radio with a broomstick.

[helterskeletor]

Nothing is over. The show has coped with the losses of

Dumpy
Al Dukes
Billy Staples
Earl Douglas
Wonderboy
J Dubs
Keisha
and on and on and on...

Admittedly, I'll miss Dave and he's arguably the best third mic they've ever had. But Hicks and Fez will step up and they'll hire someone else at 35k/year to fill Dave's spot.

Over the years, the only thing consistent about the Ron and Fez show is Ron. He could make interesting radio with a broomstick.

Arguably?? ESD has been far better than any of them. He's covered Fezzie's useless ass for five years, and he's taken on all comers. Anyone who has come up against him has ended up crying/losing their shit on the show at his hands.

Just think Earl's grandmother, Franklyn and the ziti, and Fezzie losing his shit at the intern because he's too much of a coward to take on Dave.

Ronnie is still the main reason to tune in, but Dave gave the occasional insane episode. Fezzie should have gone to bat for him well before this year rolled around.

I look forward to Fezzie continually being humiliated for being the new Earl. I'm so irritated with this turn of affairs. Fez's next good radio show will be in memoriam.

Hell, R&F should have become the Ron Bennington Show about 5 years ago anyway.

[frogger420]

he is and will be an ass forever, i just hope he is really gone from the show, ESD is not as funny as he thinks he is,or they would be paying him more with out all the crying he is doing.any way, i would bet i'm not the only one glad to see him go if it happens.:laugh::thumbup::clap::bye::flush:

[celery]

Arguably?? ESD has been far better than any of them. He's covered Fezzie's useless ass for five years, and he's taken on all comers. Anyone who has come up against him has ended up crying/losing their shit on the show at his hands.

Just think Earl's grandmother, Franklyn and the ziti, and Fezzie losing his shit at the intern because he's too much of a coward to take on Dave.

Ronnie is still the main reason to tune in, but Dave gave the occasional insane episode. Fezzie should have gone to bat for him well before this year rolled around.

I look forward to Fezzie continually being humiliated for being the new Earl. I'm so irritated with this turn of affairs. Fez's next good radio show will be in memoriam.

Hell, R&F should have become the Ron Bennington Show about 5 years ago anyway.

What does Earl's grandmother have to do with any of this? Teasing other people on the show has long been part of the job. Dubs used to terrorize Wonderboy and Joe Poo did the same thing to Al Dukes.

The show will go on.

[sailor]

How about both sides of this discussion being a bit more civil?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am extremely empathetic to Dave's situation and I respect the move he's making.

No matter what your talent is, radio doesn't compensate you. It never will. The highest compensation has always been for the sales people and the pencil pushers, not the talent. Sure, there's the Sterns and Limbaughs, but those are few and far between.

For those Dave haters - don't piss on the grave. You got what you wanted. You won. Gloating about it will just make people hate you more.

Fez haters - before you bemoan the death of the show because Dave is gone, let's see if the lack of Dave forces Fez out of his comfort zone and gets him right again. One of the biggest ways to help depressed people is to force them to change. This is that break point.

[DoomVulture]

I been lurking here for a while now and the news about Dave has really bummed me out. I'm not saying the show will shit the bed, but I'm very interested on how Fez will handle more mic time.

I just hope it doesnt turn into Ron & pepper, then ron & franklin, then ron & htg, then ron and mafia life chris all the while fez in the background

[Lady Resin]

Can he say YMB on SD?:unsure:

[JDE]

Fez haters - before you bemoan the death of the show because Dave is gone, let's see if the lack of Dave forces Fez out of his comfort zone and gets him right again. One of the biggest ways to help depressed people is to force them to change. This is that break point.


Maybe you are correct, I don't see it, I think people need to get help before they can turn their life around, and he has never gotten that, so him having to actually do his job now without getting that help, I just don't see how he is going to do that.


I hope he does, I will still listen, but really it's Ron and Chris who I will be listening for now, Fez has not been funny for many years, and unless I am wrong, I doubt he will be again.

[PapaBear]

I can't listen. Did he say if he made a decision between Costco or North Carolina?

[sailor]

From the discussion on here it sounds like they're going to keep doing special delivery (I could be very wrong) so I would guess not NC.

[Dan G]

Fez has not been funny for many years, and unless I am wrong, I doubt he will be again.


Fez is hysterical during the siren series...oh wait.

[indymike]

I can't listen. Did he say if he made a decision between Costco or North Carolina?

As long as he is still living in the area he sounded like he plans to continue with Special Delivery (with managements blessing - but I think also for free of course), however Dave also said if he can't find a decent paying gig in the area then North Carolina is very much a possibility.

[n0thng2bdone]

this shit real?
just tuned in. this sucks. feel bad for dave.
maybe ron can pick him up again when he ditches these suits.

[PapaBear]

Well at least he will be able to get more exposure still being on the air. Hopefully, it will eventually help him get a good paying radio job.

[TripleSkeet]

The Ron and Fez Show just got ALOT less interesting. Proof that corporate exectutives can fuck up ANYTHING.

To all the people out there that are happy hes gone, congrats, you got your wish. Enjoy 4 hours a day of one sided conversation and repetitive rants about gay rights you fucking faggot douchebags.

[Tenbatsuzen]

From the discussion on here it sounds like they're going to keep doing special delivery (I could be very wrong) so I would guess not NC.

Not necessarily. Dave could do the show remotely if he had to. Not a great solution, but it's possible.

[Lady Resin]

Not necessarily. Dave could do the show remotely if he had to. Not a great solution, but it's possible.

Would he able to afford to it?

[Lady Resin]

Here we go..... I'm ascared Norton...

[Tenbatsuzen]

Would he able to afford to it?

Depends on the setup. The way I do it is the same way Newstyle does it, and it's free. However, the sound quality isn't "radio perfect", it's "podcast good enough".

As long as you have a high speed line, anything is possible. The problem is, you have to see your co host to get facial cues and such when talking, which is difficult for me, at least.

[Lady Resin]

Depends on the setup. The way I do it is the same way Newstyle does it, and it's free. However, the sound quality isn't "radio perfect", it's "podcast good enough".

As long as you have a high speed line, anything is possible. The problem is, you have to see your co host to get facial cues and such when talking, which is difficult for me, at least.

Wow, ironcily that makes so much sense. I watched Private Parts last night. I had no idea how idea you just do hand movements, eye contact to deliver a show. Makes sense.

[Furtherman]

I am heartbroken. I've had a lot of good times with Dave. He's a great guy. I haven't heard the story yet, but he's a part of all of us here that can't be replaced.

[Gerald]

Earl's vacancy was filled by nobody. Hard to fathom the same will become of Dave's. Chris Stanley can't possibly perform all of the producer duties in addition to screening calls and making on-air contributions. The company better not fuck them over and deny them the ability to make a quality hire to compensate for this crushing loss.

I'd like to state again for the record that I was a Dave fan from the very beginning. There was no period of adjustment where I disliked him at first and then was gradually won over. I'll miss him greatly.

[illeffeqt]

i won't be listening anymore. the show will be like a constant funeral without dave on it.

[Space Edge]

Not necessarily. Dave could do the show remotely if he had to. Not a great solution, but it's possible.

Depends on the setup. The way I do it is the same way Newstyle does it, and it's free. However, the sound quality isn't "radio perfect", it's "podcast good enough".

As long as you have a high speed line, anything is possible. The problem is, you have to see your co host to get facial cues and such when talking, which is difficult for me, at least.

Wow, ironcily that makes so much sense. I watched Private Parts last night. I had no idea how idea you just do hand movements, eye contact to deliver a show. Makes sense.



There are a lot of shows on Sirius/XM that do it via ISDN. I don't think Sirius would spring for it for a Saturday Night one off show. You are correct about the chemistry of people not being in studio with each other , see the Jay Thomas show on Stars 2 for a really good example of that. They will have people in 3 different cites all tied up via ISDN and it sounds horrible and kind of off.

[predators1998]

The reality is that radio is a dying...er...dead industry. I left after my 2nd kid for the simple reason that it did not pay enough, not offer any sense of security. I've been out for 16 years, and have watched nearly everyone that I knew in the industry bail. Particularly over these last ten years. Sirius is run by the same people that drove terrestrial into the ground, and it's just a matter of time until the plane goes down in a fireball. Eventually what talent is left is going to retire, die, or just get tired of the bullshit, and there won't be anybody capable of replacing them.

[hanso]

This opens the door for a Carol Miller comeback

[Tenbatsuzen]

This opens the door for a Carol Miller comeback

Will she still have to wait down the hall until O&A are done their show?

[STC-Dub]

The show will not be the same without Dave and he will be missed. But the show will go on and it will be good. Ron is who makes the show work.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The reality is that radio is a dying...er...dead industry. I left after my 2nd kid for the simple reason that it did not pay enough, not offer any sense of security. I've been out for 16 years, and have watched nearly everyone that I knew in the industry bail. Particularly over these last ten years. Sirius is run by the same people that drove terrestrial into the ground, and it's just a matter of time until the plane goes down in a fireball. Eventually what talent is left is going to retire, die, or just get tired of the bullshit, and there won't be anybody capable of replacing them.

I left after five years. I loved radio, and I sometimes feel like it's the only thing I'm good at, but there is no way in hell I'd have the money, benefits, or security in radio that I have in my current position.

Some people think Karmazin is some genius, and he's not. He's a fucking ad sales guy who worked his way up. The true brains, the guy who would have saved XM was E-Lo, and he basically said, "Fuck this shit, I'll work with Oprah."

[CardiffGiant]

Sucks, while I didn't like the ESD "stuntboy" I grew to like him just being himself in the past few years and really hoped Sirius would make one smart decision. Alas, they continue to fuck up just as they did with the channel mergers but that's a rant for another day.

I wish ESD luck with whatever his next endeavor will be and hope that we still hear from him and still get random weird tweets as well.

The only possible silver lining of the whole situation is hearing more from our good friend Chris Stanley. When DaveyMac was out with his heart issue I loved the bit of extra Pepper we got so maybe we'll hear a bit more from him.

Either way, whether you like Dave or hate him, it's really a zero sum game.

[SP1!]

Can he say YMB on SD?:unsure:
Why, its a bit

Fez has not been funny for many years
And dave has never been funny or remotely entertaining, whats your point?

[PapaBear]

And dave has never been funny or remotely entertaining, whats your point?
So, the people who say they like him, and are entertained by him, are simply lying?

Proudly wearing my mod placed quote
If you're so proud of it, why point out that the mods put it there?

[Barbwire Mike]

This tragedy is somewhat tempered by the fact he still has an outlet for Conrad Bain. If the Virus ever has a hall of fame for characters, Bain should get in on the first ballot.

[Penelope]

I am devastated :down: No one can replace him.

[Pestz4Evah]

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[SP1!]

So, the people who say they like him, and are entertained by him, are simply lying??
Well those people number in the dozens, nobody outside his circle of friends find him remotely funny, I know its shocking but hes not funny, I have had funnier root canals than a dave fuck up show. I know its just a fucking bit but in fantasy land he really is gone which allows fez to function again without the retard there to fuck with him.

If you're so proud of it, why point out that the mods put it there?
To let you know its earned.

[PapaBear]

Well those people number in the dozens, nobody outside his circle of friends find him remotely funny, I know its shocking but hes not funny, I have had funnier root canals than a dave fuck up show. I know its just a fucking bit but in fantasy land he really is gone which allows fez to function again without the retard there to fuck with him.
What's it like being delusional?

I can't fucking stand people who project their opinion on others. If you don't find him funny, then fine. But stop fucking speaking for other people. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of the people who are entertained by Dave, have never met him.

[Penelope]

I have never met Dave or anyone that knows him.

[midwestjeff]

Wait a minute.

I'm totally shocked.

Tenbats worked in radio???????????

Who knew?

Goodnight, sweet ginger.

[TripleSkeet]

Well those people number in the dozens, nobody outside his circle of friends find him remotely funny, .

Congratulations, this is officially the dumbest fucking thing posted here yet.

[SP1!]

What's it like being delusional?

I can't fucking stand people who project their opinion on others. If you don't find him funny, then fine. But stop fucking speaking for other people. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of the people who are entertained by Dave, have never met him.
Some call it delusional, but most call it honesty, dave sucks.

Congratulations, this is officially the dumbest fucking thing posted here yet.
No, you just topped it, dave has no fans outside of his circle, everyone else hates him

[underdog]

What's it like being delusional?

I can't fucking stand people who project their opinion on others. If you don't find him funny, then fine. But stop fucking speaking for other people. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of the people who are entertained by Dave, have never met him.

Don't waste your time. It's not worth it. Every opinion SP1! has is actual fact in his head, not an opinion.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No, you just topped it, dave has no fans outside of his circle, everyone else hates him

11,500 people follow dave on Twitter.

That's a pretty big fucking circle.

[SP1!]

11,500 people follow dave on Twitter.

That's a pretty big fucking circle.

Well I know people are trying to bait me but its easy when you have a one person marketing team that promotes him to loser internet friends and really in the internet world 11K is not a lot since most girls can sign up and have 11K followers in a week.

Also out of the millions on XM/sirius that is a pebble in a very large lake compared to the rest that think he ruins the show.

I get that its a bit and he will most likely either not be on the show monday, then come running in(even though anyone with a brain realizes that the security at the new site is tight) or he will make some lame somber attempt to say hes leaving then take numerous calls asking him not to leave or the fuckton of calls that say thank god hes gone. Then he comes back the next day to say he had a change of heart, yeah its not predictable at all.

[PapaBear]

Don't waste your time. It's not worth it. Every opinion SP1! has is actual fact in his head, not an opinion.

I know. One of my biggest faults is thinking that you can use logic on retards.

11,500 people follow dave on Twitter.

That's a pretty big fucking circle.

He's quite the social butterfly.

[SP1!]

I know. One of my biggest faults is thinking that you can use logic on retards.



He's quite the social butterfly.

Yes, having a sophisticated sense of humor makes me the retard.

And youre right some people have no life or job, which makes him look more relevant.

[celery]

Well I know people are trying to bait me but its easy when you have a one person marketing team that promotes him to loser internet friends and really in the internet world 11K is not a lot since most girls can sign up and have 11K followers in a week.


the average [twitter] user has 126 followers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/jun/29/twitter-users-average-api-traffic

[SP1!]

the average [twitter] user has 126 followers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/jun/29/twitter-users-average-api-traffic

That means nothing to those with no PR team, but hey nice try, ashton kutcher has a shit load of followers and hes a complete retard that isnt funny, sounds kind of familiar.........

[midwestjeff]

That means nothing to those with no PR team, but hey nice try, ashton kutcher has a shit load of followers and hes a complete retard that isnt funny, sounds kind of familiar.........

Yeah, but his dick has been in Demi Moore and Dave's has been in Casey(sorry, I'm trying to keep it classy) and yours has only been in your dad's mouth so I guess you lose.

[celery]

That means nothing to those with no PR team, but hey nice try, ashton kutcher has a shit load of followers and hes a complete retard that isnt funny, sounds kind of familiar.........

I'm still not clear on who his "PR team" is.

Not to mention how "most girls can sign up and have 11K followers in a week." when the average user has 126 followers.

[PapaBear]

Yeah, but his dick has been in Demi Moore and Dave's has been in Casey(sorry, I'm trying to keep it classy) and yours has only been in your dad's mouth so I guess you lose.
Don't waste your words. He's sophisticated.

[underdog]

Yes, having a sophisticated sense of humor makes me the retard.

http://i41.tinypic.com/33dxf21.jpg

[underdog]

I get that its a bit and he will most likely either not be on the show monday, then come running in(even though anyone with a brain realizes that the security at the new site is tight) or he will make some lame somber attempt to say hes leaving then take numerous calls asking him not to leave or the fuckton of calls that say thank god hes gone. Then he comes back the next day to say he had a change of heart, yeah its not predictable at all.

It's easy to call something predictable when you make 30 predictions.

The NBA Finals are easy to predict. Either the Lakers or Celtics will win.

[midwestjeff]

The NBA Finals are easy to predict. Either the Lakers or Celtics will win.

No way. My money is on the Cavs.

And on SP1! sucking his dad's dick again.

[tanless1]

Its no secret, dave has never been my cup of tea. Always felt he was overated,and lazy about his talent, incapable of fully appreciating the opportunity that had been dropped in his lap.
That should in no way imply that I think dave is a talentless schmoe.he may not even realize that this shift is a huge opportunity to cultivate his talent. Through life experince,...blah blah....I've said all the bullet points before.
Costco likes to hire from within. Develop some managment skills, slide in to promotions and advertising....this will put him on the other side of the radio table, and that is a great spot to be. He'll get to work w/potential employers before actually applying/ being offerd a job w/o applying....better negotiating stance. Better starting wage opportunity .....it goes on. It may not be the way dave wanted to do it, but this kid is blessed even more than he realises.

[SP1!]

Yeah, but his dick has been in Demi Moore and Dave's has been in Casey(sorry, I'm trying to keep it classy) and yours has only been in your dad's mouth so I guess you lose.

Don't waste your words. He's sophisticated.
Never claimed to be above shit humor, just stated honesty but compared to that attempt at humor then yes, I am sophisticated.

It's easy to call something predictable when you make 30 predictions.

The NBA Finals are easy to predict. Either the Lakers or Celtics will win.
No I just covered all the bullshit scenarios that will play out to get him over, its predictable and a little sad that ron is relying on this kind of shit to get a story line for the show, silent fez would be better than this.

[Meataball23]

Just listened to ESD on Special Delivery...wow really cant believe this is real.

I'll miss him on the show big time. Im positive Ron will keep everything moving and will make it work but hes essentially losing his second mic. Definitely gonna be an adjustment. I think Fez is going to start hot, and really try, but ultimately once it gets to 1/2 o'clock Fez will check out of a lot of shows and its gonna be a lot of one sided convos.

Unless of course they have a live studio audience and then Fez will be dynamite.



Really gonna miss ESD thought he and Ron's convos about music and film were great. I hope everything works out for him and I'll be a fan and think hes hysterical no matter where he winds up.

[Penelope]

I don't understand how this can be happening. I was sure the company would know it was a mistake to let him go. I did not see it happening this way.

[Sue_Bender]

I don't understand how this can be happening. I was sure the company would know it was a mistake to let him go. I did not see it happening this way.

I'm crushed. Not only do we lose East Side David...


but Ron Bennington WILL be forced to commit suicide. :glurps:

[Gerald]

I don't understand how this can be happening. I was sure the company would know it was a mistake to let him go. I did not see it happening this way.

Aside from a few tossed bones here and there, the post-merger company has done nothing but disrespect and marginalize 202. It's frustrating for those like myself, whose subscription to the platform revolves around the channel. I'm really disgusted that they wouldn't allot Dave somewhere near the pay scale of what his on-air contributions reflected. Earl leaves and they burden the remaining staff members with his former responsibilities instead of properly filling the EP void, and Dave gets promptly denied and subsequently shoved out the door when he asks to be suitability compensated after years of being taken advantage of. The whole situation is fairly revolting. I'm more than a little worried about what the future holds for both shows.

[Sue_Bender]

Aside from a few tossed bones here and there, the post-merger company has done nothing but disrespect and marginalize 202. It's frustrating for those like myself, whose subscription to the platform revolves around the channel. I'm really disgusted that they wouldn't allot Dave somewhere near the pay scale of what his on-air contributions reflected. Earl leaves and they burden the remaining staff members with his former responsibilities instead of properly filling the EP void, and Dave gets promptly denied and subsequently shoved out the door when he asks to be suitability compensated after years of being taken advantage of. The whole situation is fairly revolting. I'm more than a little worried about what the future holds for both shows.

Agreed!!

It's at the point where I can't even care anymore.

202 is ALL I listen to...and they're giving me fewer and fewer reasons to do so. :glurps:

[Hammond Egger]

I don't understand how this can be happening. I was sure the company would know it was a mistake to let him go. I did not see it happening this way.

What past Sirius/XM move set precedent to make you think they had started making good decisions?

[BYOBKenobi]

I don't post often, but I don't know where else to say how disappointed I am in this whole situation. I don't even know what to say.

All I know is my wife just got a massive raise and promotion after another company offered her a job. I wonder if siriusXM thinks that there's nowhere else for him to go and that they've got him by the balls? Where else would he go? I can't think of a talk show in the New York area on radio period... let alone a funny show that's looking for someone like Dave... I bet they thought the same thing when he asked for a raise.

[The Fagster]

I'm glad to see him gone. Only thing Dave has ever done is hold Fezzie down :dry:

[BYOBKenobi]

I'm glad to see him gone. Only thing Dave has ever done is hold Fezzie down :dry:


Even though I don't see it that way... I hope you're right. At least some good can come out of what seems like another management fucking.

[PD]

I will miss Dave.
I don't think this is unexpected though.
XM202 gets little respect from Sirius, and R&F get significantly less than O&A - just look at the replay times.

While I wish Dave well, it's also the show that will suffer (no matter what SP1 thinks the silent millions believe). Fez hasn't been the same since his first Heart Attack for whatever reason. There is no reason to think he will be able to return to that level. For all of the good that Chris has done, he is not really an on air person. Same with the rumor of Mooch return- love mooch, but he isn't the on air person Dave was.

Can the show survive- yes, but I don't think Ronnie has the energy to pull that off. I suspect we will go back to plenty of HTG, MLC, and whoever shows up.

[Slumbag]

To all the people out there that are happy hes gone, congrats, you got your wish. Enjoy 4 hours a day of one sided conversation and repetitive rants about gay rights you fucking faggot douchebags.

Based on no fact, just speculation, I'd say a large percentage of the people that want Dave gone don't even listen to the show (or at least they claim they don't listen constantly).

Sucks for Dave, but he'll be all right. Talented guy, he'll land on his feet.

[Hammond Egger]

It makes me chuckle every time someone mentions Dave leaving will result in Fezzie's triumphant return.
Dave hasn't been stifling Fez over the past few years, He's been picking up Fez's slack.

As great a radio personality as Ronnie is, it will be interesting to see which way he decides to point the ship to keep Fezzie from taking all the wind out of sails.

[n0thng2bdone]

just listened-sounds like a bit

[Bob Impact]

This whole thing sucks but I at least can appreciate that Dave is making the right call for his family, I can't imagine paying my mortgage making $35K a year, let along supporting 2 children. At the end of the day I hope I can hear ESD somewhere and it sounds like for the short term we'll at least Special Delivery.

[TjM]

Arguably?? ESD has been far better than any of them. He's covered Fezzie's useless ass for five years,

Let's not go overboard 2 years tops.

[EliSnow]

Let's not go overboard 2 years tops.

ESD hasn't even been on the show for five years.

[Death Metal Moe]

THE SKY IS FALLING!

The Ron and Fez show will be fine. It's had a long history of changes and has always been funny.

I'll miss Dave but the show is bigger than one man.

[Fillmore Slim]

http://trevinwax.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/disney-chicken-little-sky-falling.jpg

[TrevorDodds]

The Ron and Fez Show just got ALOT less interesting. Proof that corporate exectutives can fuck up ANYTHING.

To all the people out there that are happy hes gone, congrats, you got your wish. Enjoy 4 hours a day of one sided conversation and repetitive rants about gay rights you fucking faggot douchebags.

this is the best line on this thread. prepare for shitty lists and gay rights talk and a lot of dead air. i knew this show had to end someday but i never thought like this. i can't believe they couldn't give him a raise considering all the money they give other idiots on sirius.

[Brad_Rush]

Best of luck with finding a new job Dave!

[Brad_Rush]

THE SKY IS FALLING!

The Ron and Fez show will be fine. It's had a long history of changes and has always been funny.

I'll miss Dave but the show is bigger than one man.

Well put sir. Dave was great, the show will move on in a new direction, it'll still be funny.

[K.C.]

the show will move on in a new direction.

Crying....an hour a day of gay news stories where Fez just wants to be told everything is ok....endless movie/music list rehashes.....whining about the "knuckledraggers" who don't get it....two hours of what's the haps on 202friends...probably "Search, Search, Hurry Up and Search" four times a week...wash, rinse, repeat...

Dave was the new direction for the show. They've got nothing now.

And you would think that so many people thinking the show is worse for losing Dave would be a motivating factor for everyone, but I wouldn't count on it.

[K.C.]

As great a radio personality as Ronnie is

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Show's been on cruise control for a couple years now.

[Recyclerz]

THE SKY IS FALLING!

The Ron and Fez show will be fine. It's had a long history of changes and has always been funny.

I'll miss Dave but the show is bigger than one man.

Unless that one man happens to be Ron Bennington. Then it is exactly the same size.

I wish Dave well in his future endeavors. As I have said on here before I doubt that the Ron & Fez Show gets picked up again by Sirius once the current contract is over (for any number of reasons) but I hope Ron stays a public performer in some fashion and will do what it takes to follow his career.

[Death Metal Moe]

Crying....an hour a day of gay news stories where Fez just wants to be told everything is ok....endless movie/music list rehashes.....whining about the "knuckledraggers" who don't get it....two hours of what's the haps on 202friends...probably "Search, Search, Hurry Up and Search" four times a week...wash, rinse, repeat...

Dave was the new direction for the show. They've got nothing now.

And you would think that so many people thinking the show is worse for losing Dave would be a motivating factor for everyone, but I wouldn't count on it.

Except that none of that has ever been true at any time or for any incarnation of The Ron and Fez show. Dave was great on the show but he wasn't the whole show.

[Pittsburgh]

Couldn't listen to the show. Anyone able to give a synopsis of daves revelations ?

[JPMNICK]

I am VERY sad to see ESD go. I really hope he lands on his feet somewhere and gets his situation under control.

at the same time, i wonder if the writing is on the wall for the show in general. with Fezzie pretty much being a non-factor as an on air talent, I am thinking this is Sirius' way of saying they don't plan on renewing the shows contract.

Why invest in Dave now with more money when they are not going to sign the boys for another year. I have NO CLUE about their current contract times, just speculating in my head.

either way, dave you were great on the show and most fans will miss you a lot

[Brad_Rush]

Crying....an hour a day of gay news stories where Fez just wants to be told everything is ok....endless movie/music list rehashes.....whining about the "knuckledraggers" who don't get it....two hours of what's the haps on 202friends...probably "Search, Search, Hurry Up and Search" four times a week...wash, rinse, repeat...

Dave was the new direction for the show. They've got nothing now.

And you would think that so many people thinking the show is worse for losing Dave would be a motivating factor for everyone, but I wouldn't count on it.

relax dude. Ron is the captain who steers the show. If he doesn't want lists or gay issues discussed they won't be. Wait and see what happens before you condemn it

[Pittsburgh]

Did Sirius say nothing, say NO, or make a counter offer that Dave rejected ?

[The Fagster]

Did Sirius say nothing, say NO, or make a counter offer that Dave rejected ?

Dave said Sirius offered him a tiny amount, nowhere near where he was asking (he was asking for almost double the paycheck he is getting now)

[Pittsburgh]

Thanks.

[Recyclerz]

Did Sirius say nothing, say NO, or make a counter offer that Dave rejected ?

Pest4evah posted the audio on page 2 of the thread.

[Pittsburgh]

Ill listen when I get home. Blackberry won't display. Thanks for the heads up.

[hanso]

What's wrong with the ginger we got?

[Penelope]

What's wrong with the ginger we got?

Ha ha.Love that clip. The only thing on O and A that ever made me laugh. Well, that and the Wolf Blitzer "So poor, so black" clip.

[Penelope]

:down: Still upset.
It's all gonna be ok. I am mixing up a big vat of drinks for the davepound. One part grape flavored Flavor- aid, one part phenobarbitol, one part cyanide. It's slightly bitter, but you won't care after a few minutes. Stop by and get your free drink. We will show those assholes at Sirius. They will be sorry.

[johnnyangel]

Im a lurker but wanted to get in on this.

Started listening to Ron and Fez around 05 and right away I was hooked, blew any other show away I’ve ever listened to.

While I am sad to see Dave go (if its real well know Monday) I actually think its for the best. Dave contributes but he’s really not that funny. Conrad Bain was great last night though.

I’m not in the Dave pound but like some of the things he brings to the show but he goes on and on and doesn’t realize when he should shut the f*** up.

Part of this is Dave’s fault, he’s not a hustler, he could be out every weekend and some weeknights doing appearances making some extra dollars here and there. While it might not be what he wants to do but these are the sacrifices you make.

Also the raise he was asking for was out of line, maybe he does deserve it but he’s not done much or proven to Mgt that he’s worth a big jump like that. No spongers on SD etc etc.

Dave by himself really isn’t that funny, he sucks on SD, when he has Ron near him feeding him then he brings something, he’s become a huge bully against Fez and it has really felt like he’s been trying to push Fez out and maybe Mgt saw it that way also.

When he hasn’t been there Fez has been fine, there’s something going on there between the two of them that we don’t know about. My guess is Fez makes Dave uncomfortable because Dave is Gay, he just doesn’t know it yet.

Ron and Fez will be fine without him, maybe it will be better maybe not, I’m hoping Fez will get back to the old Fez without the abusive redhead around.

[underdog]

Definitely need more spongers on SD.

[Penelope]

I’m not in the Dave pound but like some of the things he brings to the show but he goes on and on and doesn’t realize when he should shut the f*** up.

When he hasn’t been there Fez has been fine, there’s something going on there between the two of them that we don’t know about. My guess is Fez makes Dave uncomfortable because Dave is Gay, he just doesn’t know it yet.

Ron and Fez will be fine without him, maybe it will be better maybe not, I’m hoping Fez will get back to the old Fez without the abusive redhead around.

1. If you ain't in the davepound, then you ain't shit
2. Dave is not gay. He's very sexual. Fez is in love with Dave, not the other way around.
3. I would like for Fez to stop falling apart mentally as well. He's not quite there yet.
4. Welcome, nice to see new people here.

[Hammond Egger]

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Show's been on cruise control for a couple years now.

Ron is overrated? Wow, that's a new one.

[JPMNICK]

Im a lurker but wanted to get in on this.

Started listening to Ron and Fez around 05 and right away I was hooked, blew any other show away I’ve ever listened to.

While I am sad to see Dave go (if its real well know Monday) I actually think its for the best. Dave contributes but he’s really not that funny. Conrad Bain was great last night though.

I’m not in the Dave pound but like some of the things he brings to the show but he goes on and on and doesn’t realize when he should shut the f*** up.

Part of this is Dave’s fault, he’s not a hustler, he could be out every weekend and some weeknights doing appearances making some extra dollars here and there. While it might not be what he wants to do but these are the sacrifices you make.

Also the raise he was asking for was out of line, maybe he does deserve it but he’s not done much or proven to Mgt that he’s worth a big jump like that. No spongers on SD etc etc.

Dave by himself really isn’t that funny, he sucks on SD, when he has Ron near him feeding him then he brings something, he’s become a huge bully against Fez and it has really felt like he’s been trying to push Fez out and maybe Mgt saw it that way also.

When he hasn’t been there Fez has been fine, there’s something going on there between the two of them that we don’t know about. My guess is Fez makes Dave uncomfortable because Dave is Gay, he just doesn’t know it yet.

Ron and Fez will be fine without him, maybe it will be better maybe not, I’m hoping Fez will get back to the old Fez without the abusive redhead around.


how could dave be out every weekend doing things to make money? he is not on some local station that does local gigs. Sirius does not do that kind of stuff.

[Nanook]

It's just sickening... Sirius hates 202, think of the money they saved losing Earl, fucking bullshit.

Remember the good times...
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[Penelope]

The good times :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q2YwwEvXf4

[habachi]

Yaaaa!

[Brad_Rush]

Maybe this ends up being the best thing for Dave anyway. He is far too talented of a personality to be making less than 50k in New York City...

or it could all be a bit :down:

[The Fagster]

how could dave be out every weekend doing things to make money? he is not on some local station that does local gigs. Sirius does not do that kind of stuff.

Do you know how much Fez people would pay to have gay sex with a stuntboy from Sirius radio?!?

[johnnyangel]

It doesnt have to be Sirius sponsered he could hook up with some local clubs in the tri state area doing MC work, getting invovled and the clubs would then advertise that ESD will be there being that the Dave pound is so strong wouldnt you go out and support him? Oh wait he just wants to sit back and have listners buy him sh** from his wish list.

Dave is so gay its not even funny, what straight male would concent to a gay beard porn bet? Dave is sexual? He would rather jerk off than have sex with his wife, self pleasure does not count as sexual.



how could dave be out every weekend doing things to make money? he is not on some local station that does local gigs. Sirius does not do that kind of stuff.

1. If you ain't in the davepound, then you ain't shit
2. Dave is not gay. He's very sexual. Fez is in love with Dave, not the other way around.
3. I would like for Fez to stop falling apart mentally as well. He's not quite there yet.
4. Welcome, nice to see new people here.

[burrben]

i just found out and i am very saddened

[aceofspades7]

my fingers are crossed that this is a work, but if not, you've been great davy mac! scissors up! begin slow clap...

[Tenbatsuzen]

It doesnt have to be Sirius sponsered he could hook up with some local clubs in the tri state area doing MC work, getting invovled and the clubs would then advertise that ESD will be there being that the Dave pound is so strong wouldnt you go out and support him? Oh wait he just wants to sit back and have listners buy him sh** from his wish list.

I think we're forgetting that Ron and Fez really isn't that well known of a show since it left terrestrial. If they were still on K-Rock, I could see this working, but not now.


Dave is so gay its not even funny, what straight male would concent to a gay beard porn bet?

It's called a bit for the good of the show. What right-minded person would get thug life tattooed on their stomach? Same concept.


Dave is sexual? He would rather jerk off than have sex with his wife, self pleasure does not count as sexual.


Since when does masturbation not count as being sexual?

[thepaulo]

I think we're forgetting that Ron and Fez really isn't that well known of a show since it left terrestrial. If they were still on K-Rock, I could see this working, but not now.



It's called a bit for the good of the show. What right-minded person would get thug life tattooed on their stomach? Same concept.



Since when does masturbation not count as being sexual?

only a crazy person does anything for a radio show.
A year from now, no one will care. Trust me I know.

[johnnyangel]

I think we're forgetting that Ron and Fez really isn't that well known of a show since it left terrestrial. If they were still on K-Rock, I could see this working, but not now.



It's called a bit for the good of the show. What right-minded person would get thug life tattooed on their stomach? Same concept.



Since when does masturbation not count as being sexual?

I do get that but there is enough in this area for ESD to do some work on the weekends, its called promoting yourself, if this were bumf*** nowhere than maybe it would matter. With all of his self proclaimed Twitter followers he has something to offer small clubs, he does not know how to market himself and he wont listen to those that have made suggestions to him in the past. Ahh wait he wouldn’t be able to quench his alcoholic fever.

I give it to ESD getting this far in the business but you cant serve two masters and he should have waited to start a family knowing he was in the long haul if he wanted to get ahead understanding that it is a nowhere business except for a select few.

Dave came up with the bit, he is ready to always throw a dress on, have his toes sucked by a gay man, gay beard porn with a gay man, jerking off on the prostitute after he found her to be a he, his homophobia that comes shining through.

When its a substitute for sex with his wife, she will cheat on him sooner or later, and again its because he’s Gay and doesn’t know it yet, doesn’t want to admit it because of his distorted Catholic morals.

[Tenbatsuzen]

only a crazy person does anything for a radio show.
A year from now, no one will care. Trust me I know.

shrug.. I know too. Your self-esteem is way more important than having people shit on you for a radio show bit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

When its a substitute for sex with his wife, she will cheat on him sooner or later, and again its because he’s Gay and doesn’t know it yet, doesn’t want to admit it because of his distorted Catholic morals.

Holy fucking shit you are a passive aggressive homo. You start this with "oh man, it sucks that dave's leaving" to Casey's gong to leave him?

First off, you have no idea how Dave and Casey's sex life operates outside of Stan and Juls.

Secondly, it's a massive jump to go from "masturbation" to "not having sex with his wife" to "gay".

[Tenbatsuzen]

One more thing.

Let's say Dave is gay. Maybe he's bisexual, you dumb creep. Watch your argument EXPLODE

[StanUpshaw]

I'd buy that Dave's pedo before gay.

[johnnyangel]

Holy fucking shit you are a passive aggressive homo. You start this with "oh man, it sucks that dave's leaving" to Casey's gong to leave him?

First off, you have no idea how Dave and Casey's sex life operates outside of Stan and Juls.

Secondly, it's a massive jump to go from "masturbation" to "not having sex with his wife" to "gay".


Passive aggressive homo? I said it sucks that hes leaving? Read my post you ignorant fool.

Its a jump? Dave has said it on the show, when was it a couple of months that he’s had sex with his maybe twice in the last year, Im making the jump, I guess I pay more attention to what he’s saying than you do.

The last time I remember him mentioning it was when she was on the lunch date with her old friend and he was going apeshit that he couldn’t get her on the phone.

Why I brought up his denial of his own sexual desires is that what’s brought the tension to the show with him and Fezy and his abusive ways towards Fez and that’s why its best for the RON AND FEZ Show that Dave is leaving.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'd buy that Dave's pedo before gay.

It could run in the family, or the argument that Dave haters really don't want to admit, that maybe Dave is confident enough in his sexuality and his sexual identity that he doesn't mind doing gay stuff if it's entertaining.

[Melk]

1) I think it is a bit.
2) If it isn't a bit, it is a loss but a loss "The Ron and Fez Show" can ultimately handle. Ron summed up what Dave needed to do to improve his value in the radio industry, he refused to do any extra work to make that happen. He wasn't making the quality air checks he needed to find a better job. He didn't do appearance gigs. I get that he has a sick child at home, but if you have time for Special Delivery or time for drinking on Fridays, you have time to squeeze in a few appearances.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Its a jump? Dave has said it on the show, when was it a couple of months that he’s had sex with his maybe twice in the last year, Im making the jump, I guess I pay more attention to what he’s saying than you do.

I'm going to take a really wild guess here and say that you are not a parent of two young kids, one of which is critically ill, living in a rather small apartment

[StanUpshaw]

Don't they live in a two-story house with a garage?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't they live in a two-story house with a garage?

No. Does have a garage, but not a house.

That said, if you're a parent of two young ones, it's kind of hard to get face time.

[StanUpshaw]

No. Does have a garage, but not a house.

That said, if you're a parent of two young ones, it's kind of hard to get face time.

I'll bet you a million dollars they have two stories.

[Hepcat22]

just listened-sounds like a bit

I heard it last night and thought the same thing. For some reason Dave didn't sound like he was all that upset about it....and I've heard him go ape shit over lots of things before. Who quits a job with health insurance before he has another one lined up?

But then again, maybe he does.

[torker]

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[Tenbatsuzen]

I'll bet you a million dollars they have two stories.

I said they didn't have a house, not that they didn't have two stories.

They live in a townhouse-type apartment, from what I've gathered.

[StanUpshaw]

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Maybe it's a townhouse, maybe it's a duplex, maybe it's a real house. In any case, it can in no way be called a "rather small apartment."

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe it's a townhouse, maybe it's a duplex, maybe it's a real house. In any case, it can in no way be called a "rather small apartment."

jesus H fucking christ, the point is, two small kids, one with needs, no time for sex. Stop fucking arguing over verbage when we're on the same side, dumbshit.

[johnnyangel]

I'm going to take a really wild guess here and say that you are not a parent of two young kids, one of which is critically ill, living in a rather small apartment

No I’m not and I wouldn’t pretend to know but I do know he has time to get drunk and smoked out in the garage, or in the past get drunk and pass out on the couch with one of the kids there.

[Old Gravy Leg]

In better economic times ESD would have got his money,but these fucking companies are using the economy for being cheap or laying off people. they know they have workers by the balls and are taking advantage of it. I wish ESD well wherever he goes.I'm not a big fan of his but he has been a benefit to the show during Fez's rough times.

[n0thng2bdone]

all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

please, don't ever ask someone to work harder

[torker]

Yes, having a sophisticated sense of humor makes me the retard.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4ti3cjt.png

a fancy lad

[doodlehead]

It's a bit. Unfortunately, Dave will be back.

[StanUpshaw]

The "it's a bit" guys should have to do beard porn when they're wrong.

[unklewilly]

sorry but ESD is a fucking cunt. Hes a stunt boy, thats it. I only see this as another radio stunt...I expect the Midnight Rider on Monday...FUCK ESD!:clap::bye:

[HBox]

http://i19.tinypic.com/4ti3cjt.png

a fancy lad

http://www.filmsnobs.com/www/pics/cabinboy3.jpg

Would you like to buy a monkey?

[Kevin]

The "it's a bit" guys should have to do beard porn when they're wrong.

What should the its not a bit suckers have to do?

[StanUpshaw]

Hasn't the emotional toll that it's taken on all of us been punishment enough?

[Kevin]

Hasn't the emotional toll that it's taken on all of us been punishment enough?

Nope, if this is a bit, and you fell for it again.

You deserve even more punishment.

[StanUpshaw]

Alright fine.

If it's a bit, I'll Caligula fist Tenbat.

[DoomVulture]

I think the first break tomorrow is gonna be really really interesting. really hoping ron doesnt have earl, HTG, or any help for Fez

[Melk]

The "it's a bit" guys should have to do beard porn when they're wrong.
No thanks. It wasn't funny when Dave and Fez did it.

[The Dirka]

No thanks. It wasn't funny when Dave and Fez did it.

i think its kinda funny that they got 35,000 views on a gay website.

[torker]

i think its kinda funny that they got 35,000 views on a gay website.
RonFez.Net isn't just for gays no more.

[The Dirka]

RonFez.Net isn't just for gays no more.

yeah i was just about to edit that and add (not this one) but you beat me to it. congrats.

[CJJames]

I didn't like Dave as a character at first, but he grew on me. He is great radio, regardless of what I thought about his character. I'm genuinely sad that he has to leave.

That written, I'm glad he gave the ultimatum and now has a chance to try and find the money his family needs.

When "Save Dave" began, I thought that this was the best, and perhaps last, chance Mel had to demonstrate that he thought radio personalities who were part of XM before the merger had value-that the company was not all Howie and Bubba-that there was talent on the side of the merger that lost when the big business deal went down. Mel had a chance to demonstrate that good talent deserves good compensation. And 70k a year is good compensation for talent you have been getting at a big discount for the previous five.

Unfortunately, nothing changed. Mel behaved exactly as he has behaved before, and R+F Dave is no more. I can only wonder what is next for The Virus. I'm somewhat shocked that Mel has not found a way to justify putting all Sirius personalities on 202 and giving the broom closet studio R+F and O+A share to the custodial staff. He already has one Sirius personality airing on the weekend that most of the listeners I read comments from can't stand. Future of radio? In his mind.

There has been so much good talent available for Sirius to use on 202. Patrice's show, Unfiltered, even some of the listener-prodiced stuff was pretty good, but no-lets cut more and more XM personalities and prevent the channel from growing. Cut bits, cut promotions, prevent good controversial bits from playing again, and then let talent walk out the door.

Can anyone mention the last time Sirius management did something to help R+F or O+A? I can't.

I have to admit, I have a certain respect for those who have canceled their service because of the way Mel has handled things. No, I have not done it yet-but I don't take any pride in that at all.

What could have been.

[Melk]

Mel had a chance to demonstrate that good talent deserves good compensation. And 70k a year is good compensation for talent you have been getting at a big discount for the previous five.

(...)

There has been so much good talent available for Sirius to use on 202. Patrice's show, Unfiltered, even some of the listener-prodiced stuff was pretty good, but no-lets cut more and more XM personalities and prevent the channel from growing.

(...)

Can anyone mention the last time Sirius management did something to help R+F or O+A? I can't.

I have to admit, I have a certain respect for those who have canceled their service because of the way Mel has handled things. No, I have not done it yet-but I don't take any pride in that at all.
Well, Patrice and Unfiltered were finished well before the merger. XM refused to pay Kevin Smith for Smodcast. As far as I'm concerned, both services were poorly run before the merger and continue to be poorly run to this day. They choose to recline on their sports licences and Howard Stern.

While the Australian skateboarder is not many people's cup of tea, I am sure his yearly compensation is more closely comparable to Dave's than Ron and Fez's. From a smart business stand point, it would be better to hire new talent and build them up. Occasionally offer podcasts of the talent's full episodes to entice potential subscribers and direct current subscribers. If the shows gain real traction, offer to syndicate them to terrestrial stations censored at a more affordable rate then the syndicater would pay a normal radio network.

Did anybody on this board reactivate a radio and let the customer care agent know it was to show support to Dave? Many of the posters who claim to support Dave the most have also posted that they have canceled their account months ago and started using Bit-torrent to get their daily Ron and Fez fix. Sure, money is tight... but if you could do your part to bump subs for a short period, you may be (have been) able to save Dave.

Dave has almost 12,000 followers on Twitter compared to 76,800 for the Stern Show. As much as you hate Jason Ellis he has 42,000 followers. A lot of us, me included, tried to add to his Twitter follower count and trending topics standing... we either failed or they are working us. If we failed, Dave failed and overestimated his popularity and value to the company.

[abomb999]

I have been a long timer lurker as this is my first post. I have been listening to R&F everyday they're on for the last 1 and a 1/2 years. I originally got XM/sirius a few years ago to listen to O&A but as I have grown up, I have gotten tired and bored of what I consider to be a hate filled show full of funny but ignorant douche bags.

R&F is a show whose funny come from the life experiences of the personalities on the show and Ron's amazing ability to associate funny things with each of their personalities.

Dave is a genuine character, excellent communicator and has that funny crazy trait. He is my favorite personality on the show. He is also without a doubt, second mic to that show. His unique value as a quality second mic, is not going to easily be replaced.

I'm extremely disheartened about this. If on monday's show they confirm Dave's depature, I will be canceling my sirius/XM subscription and write a letter to them in protest.

Now my main grife. Why isn't ron and fez each sacrificing 5-15k of their salery to keep dave? I can understand why fez isn't. I truly believe Fez hate's Dave and it's my own conspiracy theory that fez tried to undermine Dave's attempt to get a raise.

Now I wonder about Ron. Does ron not think dave is that valuable? Does ron think the show will go on as usual without dave? Is ron so worried about Fez's condition, that he would rather have an extremely overpaid silent/depressed second mic then a suicide if Fez was told to take a paycut leave?

WHY isn't ron backing up dave more? That's the question that is haunting me now.

I mean look at how much quality airtime Dave brings to the damn show. He really makes HTG and Hicks look like fresh interns when Dave is working his magic on the mic. I like both HTG and Hicks, but they really don't bring that much compared to the dave man.

If Fez is really making 300-400k for basically inane contributions, it's just sickening when you think of what Dave does and how little he gets paid for it.

#davefan4life.

[DiabloSammich]

RonFez.Net isn't just for gays no more.



No shit. Why do you think I left?

[Melk]

Now my main grife. Why isn't ron and fez each sacrificing 5-15k of their salery to keep dave?
I couldn't ask them to do something I wouldn't do myself if I were in the same position. They already give him little bonuses by taking him to bars and restaurants from time to time. They give him exposure and opportunities to make air checks, promote his Twitter page and his Amazon Wish List (which COULD contain practical merchandise requests but ultimately doesn't). They got him a wedding ring from Stephen Singer and they managed to get him hired by FreeFM. And they fought for him when he was almost fired for flinging crap.

Now, after all the advice, all the second chances, all the backing off when Dave called Fez a cocksucker, Ron and Fez are assholes for not going out of pocket for him?

[A.J.]

http://i19.tinypic.com/4ti3cjt.png

a fancy lad

My christening wig!

[A.J.]

I'm sorry to see Dave go. Before he joined the show, he was a very active poster on .net and a lot of us here were glad to see one of us make it by actually getting a gig with the show.

I thought he turned out to be a great add and I respected Dave for going above and beyond in bringing something to the show every day: getting tattooed, branded, shoving things up his ass: like him or not, you can't knock his zeal and loyalty to R&F.

I hope things work out for Dave and wish him the best.

[sailor]

sorry but ESD is a fucking cunt. Hes a stunt boy, thats it. I only see this as another radio stunt...I expect the Midnight Rider on Monday...FUCK ESD!:clap::bye:

ok, you want him gone, but think it's a bit. why are you clapping?

[disneyspy]

ok, you want him gone, but think it's a bit. why are you clapping?

smilies are such mysterious things,thats why i dont use them,good luck dave

[Chigworthy]

While the Australian skateboarder is not many people's cup of tea, I am sure his yearly compensation is more closely comparable to Dave's than Ron and Fez's.



If you're sure, you must have a citation. Where we can the rest of us access this information?


Many of the posters who claim to support Dave the most have also posted that they have canceled their account months ago and started using Bit-torrent to get their daily Ron and Fez fix.
Many? How many is many? I'm sure that you can't come up with more than 5.

Dave has almost 12,000 followers on Twitter compared to 76,800 for the Stern Show. As much as you hate Jason Ellis he has 42,000 followers.

You don't think it's pretty decent that a producer for a lesser-known show has 1/6 the followers of Stern or 1/3 the followers of Jason Ellis?

I also find it hard to believe that you support Dave, or even like him after that whole thing where you said that because he poured 7/11 coffee on the counter in his twideo, he was jeopardizing his career by alienating potential sponsors. I still think of when I read that post, how much I laughed, how incredulous I was. It was a great moment in message boarding.

[strawberrypop]

Wow. Why are people having such a difficult time getting beyond the "Fez vs. Dave" bullshit and just being classy? That was part of the show - a part that's over now. Don't be duped into carrying it on any further. Dave is leaving the show. Regardless of how you feel about that, have some heart and wish the guy and his family well.

I don't get it.

I'll miss hearing him every day heartily, but, moreover, I hope that everything comes together for the McDonaldseseses. I hope Stan becomes healthy as soon as possible. I hope Dave finds something quickly that will pay the bills and make him happy. I hope he gets to spend more time with Casey and Julianna now that he doesn't have such a monstrous commute.

I'm grateful for what he brought to the show.

I guess the point is this - it's not about that shit anymore. If you want it to be about that, there are plenty of threads in which you can gloat.

But, to me, it's about a human being, a man, and his family. I don't understand getting so wrapped up in the bullshit that you can't see that and have to namecall and put people down (be it Fez, other posters who support him, Dave, or posters who support him). But hey that's just me.

[disneyspy]

Wow. Why are people having such a difficult time getting beyond the "Fez vs. Dave" bullshit and just being classy?

But, to me, it's about a human being, a man, and his family. I don't understand getting so wrapped up in the bullshit that you can't see that and have to namecall and put people down (be it Fez, other posters who support him, Dave, or posters who support him). But hey that's just me.

i just listened to special delivery this morning and KNEW this would be a thread just like it is,why does it surprise you? thank you for being cool,we need more posters like you

why isnt anyone happy that dave got him and sam money for doing special delivery? i think its awesome and I'M PROUD OF DAVE FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING

and i blame you twitter hashtag fucks for fucking up EVERYTHING

[Freitag]

Now my main grife. Why isn't ron and fez each sacrificing 5-15k of their salery to keep dave? I can understand why fez isn't. I truly believe Fez hate's Dave and it's my own conspiracy theory that fez tried to undermine Dave's attempt to get a raise.


Fez did offer Dave 24K a year but with a ton of strings attached.


Now I wonder about Ron. Does ron not think dave is that valuable? Does ron think the show will go on as usual without dave? Is ron so worried about Fez's condition, that he would rather have an extremely overpaid silent/depressed second mic then a suicide if Fez was told to take a paycut leave?

WHY isn't ron backing up dave more? That's the question that is haunting me now.


There's only so much you can go to bat for a person before you watch out for your own skin. Ron's been in the radio business for 20+ years and saw a lot of churn on producers. He gets great radio out of producers, both good and bad.

[Melk]

I also find it hard to believe that you support Dave, or even like him after that whole thing where you said that because he poured 7/11 coffee on the counter in his twideo, he was jeopardizing his career by alienating potential sponsors. I still think of when I read that post, how much I laughed, how incredulous I was. It was a great moment in message boarding.
I can support Dave and think he is a cunt. I also found Lily to be annoying, but she brought good energy to the show.

Frankly, I'd prefer the "A recent study" Fez or the "Let's make a list" Fez to the "hitching -my pants up for my shitty phone video" Dave or (as you remembered) "shitting on 7-11 employees" Dave.

Fez stonewalled Ron on the live reads out of fear of the advertisers. Isn't 7-11 a 202 sponsor? It is on my XM Online side.

[fezident]

Aww man.
I really liked Dave.

[Melk]

Wow. Why are people having such a difficult time getting beyond the "Fez vs. Dave" bullshit and just being classy?
I guess the point is this - it's not about that shit anymore. If you want it to be about that, there are plenty of threads in which you can gloat.

You know what. You're right. I'm out of line.

To be clear, I wanted to say there had to be a better way to do the protest than the way it was executed. I feel bad it went wrong.

[Freitag]

Fez stonewalled Ron .

Is that necessary? Fez is still calling it a secret, you know...

[booster11373]

This total speculation on my part but maybe....

They did not give him a raise because the Ron and Fez show will not exist for much longer

[Bigwils]

listening to the best of last week, i realized Dave was funnier when he was more of a producer that ron and fez would make fun of, like when we was going against wackbag and he read all the hate emails, I still think he is funny now, but not as much.
now i think he'll be back eventually, and I'm almost sure he's gonna be working behind the scenes for the Ron and Fez show, because why would he want to work part time for a company that fucked him over?

[regulator]

I saw a line in a newspaper report the other day that the poverty line for a family of four is $22,000. I believe Dave mentioned on the air more than once that he makes something like $24,000. I give him a lot of credit for doing the right thing and moving on. Its got to be hard giving up what you love to do in order to do the right thing and find a way to support your family. I say best of luck to Dave - his sense of humor, pop culture and sports knowledge, and general zaniness will be missed.

[RENFIELD]

This is sirius dismantling a show they don't see in their future...

DAVE is a HUGE part of the show...
and in my humble opinion should be sharing in
the salary being shared by the partners...

AN ASSET TO THE SHOW ?
He's nearly half the show !!!
and a goldmine of stories and geek-ing it up...

HE'S EVEN GOT ME TUNING IN FOR SATURDAY NITES !!!

NOT TO INSULT.. but...

I CONSIDER IT THE RON, FEZ & DAVE SHOW


Maybe STERN is hiring...
I'm sure sirius could find the money while they're kissing HIS ass !

[Freitag]

because why would he want to work part time for a company that fucked him over?

because developing a talk show like Special Delivery, an opportunity liek Dave has is very rare. The other option is podcasting.

[hand amputation]

#MissEastSideDave

:sad:

[denko]

its like Lost if it were on the radio, never has a show lost so many main characters like this.

totally disgusted with sirius, buy XM raise rates, charge for internet and still can't pay the tallent? bullshit.

torrent time.

[Space Edge]

This total speculation on my part but maybe....

They did not give him a raise because the Ron and Fez show will not exist for much longer

That's what I was kinda thinking maybe he jumped off the sinking ship before it went down for good.

[KingModem]

Never seen so many people petrified of change. Change is good, change is what brought Dave to the show without Billy Staples/Al Dukes. What brought Pepper Hicks in for Pitzy/Black Earl.

Go listen to four plus years of Eastside Dave replays, and allow his legacy of the show to remain. Time to make new gold.

[KnoxHarrington]

This is sirius dismantling a show they don't see in their future...

DAVE is a HUGE part of the show...
and in my humble opinion should be sharing in
the salary being shared by the partners...

AN ASSET TO THE SHOW ?
He's nearly half the show !!!
and a goldmine of stories and geek-ing it up...

HE'S EVEN GOT ME TUNING IN FOR SATURDAY NITES !!!

NOT TO INSULT.. but...

I CONSIDER IT THE RON, FEZ & DAVE SHOW


Maybe STERN is hiring...
I'm sure sirius could find the money while they're kissing HIS ass !

I don't think it's obvious that Stern stays. Sirius has made it pretty clear that he won't get a deal close to what he has now, and I don't know if Stern will take a pay cut.

Then again, I don't think he gets that sort of money in terrestrial anymore. Sirius might be the only place he has left.

[KatPw]

All the best to Dave and his family on his new career journey. I'll miss him but he needs to do what is best for himself, Casey and the kids. Good luck funny man, you filled our hearts with laughter and made this world a better place for it.

[denko]

So if Sirius decides tomorrow that they don't want to pay norton do we sit back and accept the change there also?

My biggest issue is that in the last 2 or 3 or whatever years the price of the sub has just about doubled and the content is about half as good as it was. What the fuck?

[Freitag]

Ron's point about Dave getting a raise and then all the other producers flipping and wanting raises is exactly the reason I thought it wasn't going to happen.

[Freitag]

My biggest issue is that in the last 2 or 3 or whatever years the price of the sub has just about doubled and the content is about half as good as it was. What the fuck?

Exagerrate much? The sub is not 26 dollars.

If you're doing multiple receivers and not being crafty about it, that's your own fault. I pay less than 20/month and I can listen in my car, in my house, and on the go, and that's w/o taking one of Sirius' super-discounted rates.

[denko]

Actaull it was 9.99 Internet included when I signed up. Now it's 12.99 plus an additional 2.99 for Internet.

[edit] not to mention if I wanted to listen sirius content that's what, additional 3.99?

[Penelope]

I am still in shock and denial :sad:
At least there is still Special Delivery :thumbup:

[foodcourtdruide]

Actaull it was 9.99 Internet included when I signed up. Now it's 12.99 plus an additional 2.99 for Internet.

[edit] not to mention if I wanted to listen sirius content that's what, additional 3.99?

Same here. Didn't they also add commericals to previously commercial free stations? And the shows are doing TONS more live reads.

[denko]

Same here. Didn't they also add commericals to previously commercial free stations? And the shows are doing TONS more live reads.

yes they did. [edit] if its valentines day or anyting like that, forget it, ten live reads a show, then 10 more ads during breaks for the same thing, steven singer and so on... and the influence over the shows/content is much higher too. remember when ron and fez would go the distance without ever breaking? now it seems like they are forced into a schedule that in the ends fucks with the dynamic. dave shit aside sirius is fucking the whole thing up. its sad too.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Wow. Even Earl helps step up the conversation rate.

[TripleSkeet]

Well from todays show its obvious that now with Dave gone Fez will be Mr. Talkative again. :dry:

Until 12:45 I didnt even know he was there today.

[Death Metal Moe]

Well from todays show its obvious that now with Dave gone Fez will be Mr. Talkative again. :dry:

Until 12:45 I didnt even know he was there today.

Well that was dumb because Ron said he, Fez and Chris were there at the top of the show. Some shows Ron didn't go to Dave for awhile, did you think he didn't exist because you didn't hear his voice?

[Fillmore Slim]

Well that was dumb because Ron said he, Fez and Chris were there at the top of the show. Some shows Ron didn't go to Dave for awhile, did you think he didn't exist because you didn't hear his voice?

You really are creeping into Shower Bench territory.

[Death Metal Moe]

You really are creeping into Shower Bench territory.

S.B. can't be number 1 forever!

[genem1231]

I will miss eastside just got back to listening to the show. just picked up best of xm just for the ron and fez show. i listen back when it was the ron and ron show with fez when they were in the tampa fl area. dave was a great addition to the show.:down:

[Hepcat22]

yes they did. [edit] if its valentines day or anyting like that, forget it, ten live reads a show, then 10 more ads during breaks for the same thing, steven singer and so on... and the influence over the shows/content is much higher too. remember when ron and fez would go the distance without ever breaking? now it seems like they are forced into a schedule that in the ends fucks with the dynamic. dave shit aside sirius is fucking the whole thing up. its sad too.

Exactly the reason I record every show on my Inno then listen at night. When the ad breaks come on I blip, blip, blip etc all of them in about 10 seconds.

I remember one show on XM when Ron went an hour and 16 minutes before the first break. Ah, the good old days....

[S0S]

I wonder what job ESD will get.

[Misteriosa]

I will miss eastside just got back to listening to the show. just picked up best of xm just for the ron and fez show. i listen back when it was the ron and ron show with fez when they were in the tampa fl area. dave was a great addition to the show.:down:

you and disney spy will get along real nice :happy:

[oPant]

Dave cut off his nose to spite his face. If you can't afford to raise a family on what you make, go rent a trailer/mobile home on the Pennsylvania/NJ border. Cut your expenses, live on a budget. Dave is an F-up and he won't make it as a manager in a Costco. He can move to NC and live with his inlaws but he will be miserable.

He should have stayed with the show. Spoken to someone to cut his hours so he is only working on air for 4 hours and then find a part time job. Quit that Saturday night show (or whenever it is) you are doing volunteer work for Sirius, and keep your job on the R&F show.

Fez has worn out his welcome. I used to love the guy, but every topic he brings up is inane. I try to think objectively that I am being too harsh, but he has lost it. Every time he speaks all I can think of is...did he really just say that.

[Death Metal Moe]

I know we've all speculated about Dave's job opportunities, responsibilities, family planning, etc. But today is really not a day to get mad at anyone. Dave couldn't get the money he needs now that he has a family so he's looking elsewhere. It's no one's fault. Ron and Fez did what they could, the fans wrote in, Dave negotiated. Sirius isn't in good shape.

I also like what Ron said, I hadn't thought of this because I'm not a businessman. If they had nearly doubled Dave's salary, every other show in the company would have come to them with a sob story why their people deserved more money too. It would set a precedent they couldn't afford.

We will miss Dave and I feel for him that his dream couldn't be realized at this point but this is just a story of a guy who had to put his family's needs 1st. Nothing more.

[Sloppy2nds]

It's a bit. It has to be. If he was really trying to get a raise he would not have been as vocal about it, at least on the air.

[strawberrypop]

i just listened to special delivery this morning and KNEW this would be a thread just like it is,why does it surprise you? thank you for being cool,we need more posters like you

why isnt anyone happy that dave got him and sam money for doing special delivery? i think its awesome and I'M PROUD OF DAVE FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING
You're right - that's super exciting. And congratulations-worthy!

I wasn't really surprised, I guess, just disappointed.

[danner1515]

I know we've all speculated about Dave's job opportunities, responsibilities, family planning, etc. But today is really not a day to get mad at anyone. Dave couldn't get the money he needs now that he has a family so he's looking elsewhere. It's no one's fault. Ron and Fez did what they could, the fans wrote in, Dave negotiated. Sirius isn't in good shape.

I also like what Ron said, I hadn't thought of this because I'm not a businessman. If they had nearly doubled Dave's salary, every other show in the company would have come to them with a sob story why their people deserved more money too. It would set a precedent they couldn't afford.

We will miss Dave and I feel for him that his dream couldn't be realized at this point but this is just a story of a guy who had to put his family's needs 1st. Nothing more.
I agree with this completely. I love Dave on the show, but he forced Sirius into an ultimatum that they really couldn't afford to honor. I'm really sad to see Dave go, and I sincerely wish him and his family the best.

[n0thng2bdone]

this is just a story of a guy who had to put his family's needs 1st. Nothing more.

it's more than that

miss u dave

[oPant]

It's a bit. It has to be. If he was really trying to get a raise he would not have been as vocal about it, at least on the air.

Are you implying that Dave is not stupid?

[MobCounty]

If Ron leaves the show I'm not listening anymore.

..However, I'm not looking forward to the 'woe is me' and Ron show. I can also give two shits about the Boojeebee and Ron show.

bleh, how depressing.

[Abes]

:down:


Anyone think Pepper will step up to the plate?

[Penelope]

People keep saying producers come and go. I've been listening since 2001. I've heard them all. I didn't care about them, and disliked most of them. Dave's departure is different.
I hate you Sirius. Hate you, hate you, hate you so much.

[blasphemer]

I'm SO happy he's gone, he's been SO annoying lately, It's Time for a change, there are No words that can describe how happy I am.

[Dude!]

so goodbye my friend and amen
here's hoping will meet once again
'cause it was great fun
but it was just one
of those things

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[MobCounty]

.. bleh nevermind I dont matter.

[KingModem]

It is a bit. But...Dave is reportedly coming back for a "Spinning the Hits" competition with Pepper to see who goes.

[Tommy the bass player]

am I the only one who heard dave in the background today towards the end of the show?
He couldn't keep his laugh down.

What a goon.

It's a bit.

[CJJames]

>>Well, Patrice and Unfiltered were finished well before the merger. XM refused to pay Kevin Smith for Smodcast. As far as I'm concerned, both services were poorly run before the merger and continue to be poorly run to this day. They choose to recline on their sports licences and Howard Stern.<<

Not the point, Melk. The point is that XM had and has plenty of talent and that Sirius, who won the merger fight, has done nothing to either cultivate or encourage that talent. In fact, you can argue that they have encouraged what talent was left to depart. Dave is just the most recent example.

>>While the Australian skateboarder is not many people's cup of tea, I am sure his yearly compensation is more closely comparable to Dave's than Ron and Fez's.<<

Cite your source, please. I don't believe you.

>>From a smart business stand point, it would be better to hire new talent and build them up.<<

You mean like hiring new talent such as a fellow who sold hot dogs and worked at a flower shop and then building him up? Yeah, uh, pal, that was DAVE. And Sirius just demonstrated what they do to people LIKE DAVE. Didn't you know that Dave WAS new talent? You just sabotaged your own argument!

>>Did anybody on this board reactivate a radio and let the customer care agent know it was to show support to Dave?<<

Again, not the point. The problem here is how Sirius treates talent, especially after the merger. Did you listen to Opie and Anthony at the end of their show today? They NAILED it. This company does not know how to cultivate or treat talent.

>>... but if you could do your part to bump subs for a short period, you may be (have been) able to save Dave.<<

Wrong. Sirius does not think in terms of talent, they think in terms of beans. Listen to Ant at the end of the show today if you don't get it.

>>Dave has almost 12,000 followers on Twitter compared to 76,800 for the Stern Show. As much as you hate Jason Ellis he has 42,000 followers.<<

So, Dave, who is interviewing AT COSTCO TODAY is doing very well compared to the two people you mentioned who have headlined their own shows FOR YEARS, EVEN DECADES. And this is supposed to SUPPORT your argument?

Leave Ellis on his own channel. Leave Stern on his own channels. Cultivate different talent on other channels in order to bring in more llisteners instead of having the SAME LISTENERS travel from one channel to another in order to hear THE SAME MATERIAL FROM THE SAME BROADCASTER. Different quality talent means more subs, not less.

But no, that is not how Sirius under Mel and Howard works. Cut XM talent. Cut XM costs. Copy material already made on Sirius channels and paste it into The Virus.

If instead, as Op suggested a long time ago, Sirius floated Unfiltered or Patrice a few dollars they would be happy to do a show on The Virus. They know that times are tough for the company, but REQUIRING that these comedians do the show for free is an insult. Make the deal, promote the channel, and up the subs.

[Penelope]

Sirius is the devil

[King Hippos Bandaid]

ESD was the funniest producer who got the show the most


he will be sorely missed


ESD is now the biggest Free Agent on the Market,, he should be meeting with Lebron and D Wade

[SickSean]

wow not sure what to say other than parrot so many other posts. Dave was a voice on the Radio, not my favorite and not even liked when i first heard him. Dave grew on me and i am sorry to see him go.

Dave, I wish you the best of luck to you and your family

[BlackFan]

Jason Ellis has said plenty a time that he gets paid dick. His show was actually being paid for by an energy drink sponsorship and he was in a very ESD situation for a while last year. Then Sirius finally picked him back up, but i believe he still has sponsors paying him and not sirius.

He had a producer on his show that was in ESD's boat. And he said I'm not getting paid enough for what I'm doing and I can't afford to be here anymore. And Ellis was fighting to get him more money but Sirius refused to pay. Its not that Sirius doesn't have money, they just don't have money for real radio people. Instead pay people millions for 1 hour taped podcasts.

I wish the merger never happened, its done nothing but hurt the satellite radio platform. Beyond Am, but just short of Fm its Sirius XM

[TripleSkeet]

I also like what Ron said, I hadn't thought of this because I'm not a businessman. If they had nearly doubled Dave's salary, every other show in the company would have come to them with a sob story why their people deserved more money too. It would set a precedent they couldn't afford.
.

Heres the only problem I have with that point. The Ron and Fez Show was brought into Sirius with 3 producers. 1 Left. Sirius had an obligation to the show to either hire another producer, or compensate the other 2 for the additional work they had to take on by giving them signifigant raises. Even if they took 70% of Earls salary and split it between Dave and Hicks, both producers wouldve been happy, and the company wouldve been pocketing the extra 30%.

If any of the others shows producers went to management crying they wanted a raise, this was the very simple and logical explanation they couldve been told. They couldnt even argue it.

[abomb999]

What's the easiest way to keep up with Dave info? I do a google search for east side dave twitter and I get some page that says he quit tweeting in 09 or something?

I have his youtube twitteo page bookedmarked, but he doesn't really give any non funny info out.. Does he have a real twitter under a diff name or something? I never really paid attention when he whored his twitter out in the past.

***EDIT***

Also, if I was making 400k a year, a 5-15k paycut to keep a quality second mic is worth it. But then again, I care about the show. It's not like I need 400k a year to live. 380k would be more then enough. You're also helping out a family man. In my mind there is no question. I'm sure Ron or Fez often have 1000 dollar dinners. Just cut out 15 1k dinners and eat at home or something. Bam, quality second mic who now gets to support his kids.

[CJJames]

Its not that Sirius doesn't have money, they just don't have money for real radio people. Instead pay people millions for 1 hour taped podcasts.

I wish the merger never happened, its done nothing but hurt the satellite radio platform. Beyond Am, but just short of Fm its Sirius XM

Sorry, but your argument has a fatal flaw. They had a billion for Howard.

They have money for Dave. They just aren't interested in making XM better.

[Death Metal Moe]

Heres the only problem I have with that point. The Ron and Fez Show was brought into Sirius with 3 producers. 1 Left. Sirius had an obligation to the show to either hire another producer, or compensate the other 2 for the additional work they had to take on by giving them signifigant raises. Even if they took 70% of Earls salary and split it between Dave and Hicks, both producers wouldve been happy, and the company wouldve been pocketing the extra 30%.

If any of the others shows producers went to management crying they wanted a raise, this was the very simple and logical explanation they couldve been told. They couldnt even argue it.

So what would they say to a show that asked for more money for their staff but had the same sized staff or even a smaller staff than Ron and Fez? I think Dave deserved more money too but I think we all knew a still failing company that never gave a damn about 202 wasn't going to double an employee's salary.

[n0thng2bdone]

bring me the big knife. I want to cut my throat.

[Death Metal Moe]

What's the easiest way to keep up with Dave info? I do a google search for east side dave twitter and I get some page that says he quit tweeting in 09 or something?

I have his youtube twitteo page bookedmarked, but he doesn't really give any non funny info out.. Does he have a real twitter under a diff name or something? I never really paid attention when he whored his twitter out in the past.

***EDIT***

Also, if I was making 400k a year, a 5-15k paycut to keep a quality second mic is worth it. But then again, I care about the show. It's not like I need 400k a year to live. 380k would be more then enough. You're also helping out a family man. In my mind there is no question. I'm sure Ron or Fez often have 1000 dollar dinners. Just cut out 15 1k dinners and eat at home or something. Bam, quality second mic who now gets to support his kids.

It's none of your business how much money Ron and Fez make personally and none of your business how they spend that money.

Don't look at either person's life or their role on the show and demand they do anything. That aint how the world works.

[Bigwils]

this has to be a Bit because if he work part time, then he wont get health insurance.(most companies dont provide health insurance to part time employees), unless he's still getting paid the same amount with less work and all the benefits ???

[Death Metal Moe]

Sorry, but your argument has a fatal flaw. They had a billion for Howard.

They have money for Dave. They just aren't interested in making XM better.

They had a billion for a name that would bring in a fanbase of a guy who's been famous on the radio for 2 decades. I don't like the amount they paid that washed up jock either but your rebuttal also contains a fatal flaw.

[BlackFan]

i'm agreeing with you cjjames. and howard has a sort of mythos around him. he's built up to be the fuckin radio messiah. And sirius has ultimately fucked themselves. When howard wants to leave, sirius is gonna be looked at like "0_o well what do they have now?" by the general public.

instead of pumping up o&a as their new guys or building up some new guys of their own.
they cling to the "radio messiah" and pray he never leaves.

[Penelope]

What's the easiest way to keep up with Dave info? I do a google search for east side dave twitter and I get some page that says he quit tweeting in 09 or something?

I have his youtube twitteo page bookedmarked, but he doesn't really give any non funny info out.. Does he have a real twitter under a diff name or something? I never really paid attention when he whored his twitter out in the past.

***EDIT***

Also, if I was making 400k a year, a 5-15k paycut to keep a quality second mic is worth it. But then again, I care about the show. It's not like I need 400k a year to live. 380k would be more then enough. You're also helping out a family man. In my mind there is no question. I'm sure Ron or Fez often have 1000 dollar dinners. Just cut out 15 1k dinners and eat at home or something. Bam, quality second mic who now gets to support his kids.

Are you kidding? It's easy:
@EastSideDave

[Rhah]

Heres the only problem I have with that point. The Ron and Fez Show was brought into Sirius with 3 producers. 1 Left. Sirius had an obligation to the show to either hire another producer, or compensate the other 2 for the additional work they had to take on by giving them signifigant raises. Even if they took 70% of Earls salary and split it between Dave and Hicks, both producers wouldve been happy, and the company wouldve been pocketing the extra 30%.

If any of the others shows producers went to management crying they wanted a raise, this was the very simple and logical explanation they couldve been told. They couldnt even argue it.

Companies have been doing this for the last 8 years and claiming its the economies fault. They downsize and force the rest to pick up the slack, they are unapologetic for it and know that people are afraid to leave their jobs for fear of not finding other jobs. Face it, in today's world companies do not value their employees.

[spainlinx0]

I know we've all speculated about Dave's job opportunities, responsibilities, family planning, etc. But today is really not a day to get mad at anyone. Dave couldn't get the money he needs now that he has a family so he's looking elsewhere. It's no one's fault. Ron and Fez did what they could, the fans wrote in, Dave negotiated. Sirius isn't in good shape.

I also like what Ron said, I hadn't thought of this because I'm not a businessman. If they had nearly doubled Dave's salary, every other show in the company would have come to them with a sob story why their people deserved more money too. It would set a precedent they couldn't afford.

We will miss Dave and I feel for him that his dream couldn't be realized at this point but this is just a story of a guy who had to put his family's needs 1st. Nothing more.

I haven't heard today's show yet, so I am only responding to the point you said Ron made. The only thing I can say to this is that Dave didn't have the responsibilities of the average producer. He was basically on-air talent. Whether he was good on air talent deserving of more money is up to the individual listeners to decide and is irrelevant to Sirius' decision.

I believe Sirius had 2 options. Change his position/title to 3rd mic which would justify doubling his salary, or tell him to eat shit and deal with it. Obviously we know which option they chose.

However I mentioned in another thread that there is NO WAY that Sirius could justify doubling a producer's salary. A 5% raise was about as much as he could expect. Sirius is a huge company. I'm sure they have an HR department that sets pay rates for show producers within certain limits. They probably didn't entertain his request seriously for a second. He was only a producer to them. I doubt that the people who had actual decision making authority ever took Dave's cry about his pay seriously.

[brettmojo]

this has to be a Bit because if he work part time, then he wont get health insurance.(most companies dont provide health insurance to part time employees), unless he's still getting paid the same amount with less work and all the benefits ???
He's working part time to keep a foot in the door of the radio business.

[abomb999]

It's none of your business how much money...

I'm not demanding anything. As a fan of this show who wants to see the quality high, i'm simply speculating why Ron (who up until now I thought cared about the show) isn't making an extremely minor sacrifice to keep a quality second mic.

As radio personalities their personal life often overlaps with the show. As fans of the show, we will speculate all we want, as we have emotional investments in the show. You believe money is a private issue that should never be discussed, I disagree. There is no changing that.

I would have no problem for myself being honest about how much I make and why I'm not taking a paycut, etc.. If you do, then keep silent about it. But everyone else has a right to speculate on it.

[oPant]

I'm sure they have an HR department that sets pay rates for show producers within certain limits. They probably didn't entertain his request seriously for a second. He was only a producer to them. I doubt that the people who had actual decision making authority ever took Dave's cry about his pay seriously.

He was on air talent and took up a lot of the slack for Fez. We're not talking a factory job where they can hire anyone off the streets to fill the boxes. There are different rules in the Media field. You can do and say things at work that would not be tolerated at any other job when you do a show. The point is that Sirius does not value the Ron and Fez show enough to find a way to pay Dave more.]

Even Howard F'd up his own show by not replacing Artie while he is out. Howard is not funny, Benjy is not a funny writer, nor funny, and there is nothing funny on Howard's show without a comedian there. I bet they still had to pay Artie his salary while he's out, and Howard won't go into his $500 million pocket to bring in a new comedian.

[Hepcat22]

bring me the big knife. I want to cut my throat.

Don't do it, Ronnie !

[Zorro]

I find it hard to believe this was all conducted over the radio. Smells of a bit. But what do I know I still believe Al Dukes took a dive.

[Hosstetler]

This is a bit and if it's not let's hope Fezzie steps up or the listeners (and R&F) make enough noise to fix it.

I am kind of suprised Ron wouldn't do something drastic to stop Dave from leaving which is why I think it's actually a bit.

[The Gut]

Join Facebook group dedicated to seeing ESD return to Ron & FEZ ASAP!
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[MagillaGorillaz]

Join Facebook group dedicated to seeing ESD return to Ron & FEZ ASAP!
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Hey I know maybe we can get Betty White as the next producer!

[underdog]

I am kind of suprised Ron wouldn't do something drastic to stop Dave from leaving which is why I think it's actually a bit.

Ron wrote a letter AND made phone calls on vacation.

That's pretty drastic for such a fancy man.

[Hosstetler]

Let's hope Fez steps up OR Ron can keep up the pace of the show on his own. It will be an interesting experiment to see if we get Fez back in the game, I'm sure Ron feels the same.

If it is a bit, I'm really looking forward to the midnight rider.

Ron wrote a letter AND made phone calls on vacation.

That's pretty drastic for such a fancy man.

[ShowerBench]

S.B. can't be number 1 forever!

I love Fez and his still-tender fontanelle more than life itself but you remain a worthy and formidable Number 2.

[ShowerBench]

Big picture truth bomb: While trashing Sirius/XM, it's worth remembering that out of all the radio personalities/duos nationwide who would have killed for a major show on satellite radio, the corporate fat cats had enough radio acumen to bring us the best - Ron and Fez.

[fezident]

I'm gonna be a day behind on the podcast so...
... I am assuming that this isn't a bit, and that ESDmac is out of work for real.


Has anyone set up "Dave fund" on paypal or whatnot? His fans & various friends of the show could donate as little as dollar... and it could easily add up to tidy sum.
If nobody has done it... I'll get that rolling.

[underdog]

Big picture truth bomb: While trashing Sirius/XM, it's worth remembering that out of all the radio personalities/duos nationwide who would have killed for a major show on satellite radio, the corporate fat cats had enough radio acumen to bring us the best - Ron and Fez.

That was XM. I thank Sirius for nothing, other than making pay radio sound exactly like commercial radio.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Big picture truth bomb: While trashing Sirius/XM, it's worth remembering that out of all the radio personalities/duos nationwide who would have killed for a major show on satellite radio, the corporate fat cats had enough radio acumen to bring us the best - Ron and Fez.

As Underdog said, that was XM. Eric Logan, the brains behind bringing O&A and R&F to XM, has long since bolted for Planet Oprah.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Sorry, but your argument has a fatal flaw. They had a billion for Howard.

They have money for Dave. They just aren't interested in making XM better.

Half-billion, and that was before the crash, and a shitload of that was stock options, not actual liquid money.

It goes back to what Ron said. There's a metric shitload of producers at XM who do their job and do it well. If Dave gets a raise, then all of them want raises.

[Lady Resin]

There just may be a way to rehired Dave:

http://www.examiner.com/x-11279-Howard-Stern-Examiner~y2010m6d7-Howard-Stern-to-Sirius-XM-I-dont-think-Im-good-to-renew-here

[MobCounty]

Half-billion, and that was before the crash, and a shitload of that was stock options, not actual liquid money.

It goes back to what Ron said. There's a metric shitload of producers at XM who do their job and do it well. If Dave gets a raise, then all of them want raises.

I'm speaking out my ass a bit, but if he wants a raise, it has to be based on his 'on air' contributions and the fact his time 'on air' is near, or more than one of the hosts. At a certain point he is more than just a producer. The ball is in someones court to promote him to an official 3rd mic spot, and hopefully that spot merits a raise. On the flip side, if he is the same as Sam, Erock, Pepper etc. then he cant really argue for a raise just because his family grew.

[brettmojo]

Big picture truth bomb: While trashing Sirius/XM, it's worth remembering that out of all the radio personalities/duos nationwide who would have killed for a major show on satellite radio, the corporate fat cats had enough radio acumen to bring us the best - Ron and Fez.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e158/mcnail/OMG2/dud2_5001.jpg

[daminik]

today i wasn't listening much since dave isn't on. they had earl in like usual when dave isn't there and it was alright i guess. no one else makes another good 2nd mic on the show other than dave. fez can't carry a good conversation with ron. earl is so so but at least better than fez. the talks between ron and dave were interesting and funny. Now the show is so so at best. It can't be carried by ron only.

[ChrisBrown]

today i wasn't listening much since dave isn't on. they had earl in like usual when dave isn't there and it was alright i guess. no one else makes another good 2nd mic on the show other than dave. fez can't carry a good conversation with ron. earl is so so but at least better than fez. the talks between ron and dave were interesting and funny. Now the show is so so at best. It can't be carried by ron only.

sad but true

[Brad_Rush]

sad but true

Just be glad for what we still have. Ron and Fez have a 4 hour show on Satellite radio every day. That won't last forever so quit bitching and enjoy it!

[StatenIslandSoxFan]

this whole thing is a bit... a conversation peice. dave already got the raise. like I said... a BIT.