Seattle Cop Punches Jaywalker

[Suspect Chin]

At least that is what the headline says. But it probably should read, "Seattle Cop Punches Violent Youth While Her Friends Lurk Threateningly in the Background."
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[Willmore]

At least that is what the headline says. But it probably should read, "Seattle Cop Punches Violent Youth While Her Friends Lurk Threateningly in the Background."
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Or rather: "Crazy black chick shoves a cop who is trying to restrain her friend and the cop then retaliates by throwing one awful looking haymaker that barely grazes the woman."

[Suspect Chin]

Or rather: "Crazy black chick shoves a cop who is trying to restrain her friend and the cop then retaliates by throwing one awful looking haymaker that barely grazes the woman."

Ha yeah it was an embarrassing punch. Then the fact that he can't restrain a tiny chick is just awful.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Imagine the outcry if that happened on of those Leno Jaywalking segments done by LAPD

[JPMNICK]

Ha yeah it was an embarrassing punch. Then the fact that he can't restrain a tiny chick is just awful.

i think the reason he couldnt was he knew so many people were around taping. i am sure he could hace picked her up, slammed her to the ground and took control, which i think he might have done if it was a white guy he was trying to control and not a black teen

[Chigworthy]

The incident is a non-story, but the fat that the news showed just a tiny slow mo of the officer hitting the assailant with the headline "Officer Punches Teenage Girl" is very telling. I saw one headline that stated it was "another race incident". Why is that? Because she is black? Anytime a police officer puts his hands on a minority, is it a "race issue"?

[Furtherman]

The officer did nothing wrong. I hope he keeps his job.

[JerseyRich]

Yea...

#1 phrase that cops hate to hear:

"Get the fuck off of me!"

[SatCam]

yet another thread to remind me how much I despise black women and white cops

[instrument]

Shouldve maced/tazered them both.
More annoying was the person holding the camera.

[Souter Fell]

Anybody else notice the road sign partially obscured by the tree for MLK Blvd or Way? Ah Chris Rock, you speaketh the truth.

[StanUpshaw]

The officer did nothing wrong. I hope he keeps his job.

I hope you get arrested for jaywalking.

[JPMNICK]

I hope you get arrested for jaywalking.

just to be fair, the city told the cops to stop people because like 60 were hit by cars in this particular intersection and it was the most dangerous on in the city. also, there is a pedestrian bridge right near by

[StanUpshaw]

Oh, well, if the city told them to do it, I'm fine with it.




People should not be getting hassled by cops for something all of us do every fucking day. The rest of you should not tolerate your fellow citizens getting hassled. Next time it could be you. How will you react?

[weekapaugjz]

Oh, well, if the city told them to do it, I'm fine with it.




People should not be getting hassled by cops for something all of us do every fucking day. The rest of you should not tolerate your fellow citizens getting hassled. Next time it could be you. How will you react?

definitely not by putting my hands on a police officer.

[keithy_19]

definitely not by putting my hands on a police officer.

What if is a really good looking fella'?

[keithy_19]

Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you serious?

God, I wish that guy would fallen into oncoming traffic.

[weekapaugjz]

What if is a really good looking fella'?

then i'd blow him.

[StanUpshaw]

definitely not by putting my hands on a police officer.

Can you be sure? If some cop accosts you as you're walking to work and shakes you down for a jaywalking ticket -- essentially reaching into your wallet and swiping $75 -- you're sure you'll be able to be polite and apologetic and thank him for his time?

[weekapaugjz]

Can you be sure? If some cop accosts you as you're walking to work and shakes you down for a jaywalking ticket -- essentially reaching into your wallet and swiping $75 -- you're sure you'll be able to be polite and apologetic and thank him for his time?

not being polite and apologetic is a very far reach from putting your hands on an officer. i'd be pissed off, but i'm sure has hell not stupid enough escalate it any further.

[Judge Smails]

Somebody should of called the Amber Lamps.

[JimBeam]

Can you be sure? If some cop accosts you as you're walking to work and shakes you down for a jaywalking ticket -- essentially reaching into your wallet and swiping $75 -- you're sure you'll be able to be polite and apologetic and thank him for his time?

So your opinion is if the police are inconveniencing you feel free to resist regardless of whether or not you're guilty ?

Should the murders and violent criminals that cops occasionally deal with also follow this path ?

[epo]

Her bitchyness does not justify his assholery.

[Chigworthy]

Can you be sure? If some cop accosts you as you're walking to work and shakes you down for a jaywalking ticket -- essentially reaching into your wallet and swiping $75 -- you're sure you'll be able to be polite and apologetic and thank him for his time?

You're right. If I disagree with a law regarding an infraction, I will prove my point by forcing the officer to charge me with at least one misdemeanor for interference, and possibly escalate it to the point where I get a felony for assaulting a police officer. That'll teach those stupid laws.

[StanUpshaw]

My point is that when cops arbitrarily enforce bullshit laws, its natural that people become outraged. When people get outraged, shit escalates fast. I understand how the girls feel, and I understand how the police have to respond (though wildly throwing punches is pretty senseless).

Once the fire started burning, the cop did (more or less) what he had to do. My problem is not with the fire, it's with the spark; my problem is that no one else seems to think it's a problem.

[Suspect Chin]

My point is that when cops arbitrarily enforce bullshit laws, its natural that people become outraged. When people get outraged, shit escalates fast. I understand how the girls feel, and I understand how the police have to respond (though wildly throwing punches is pretty senseless).

Once the fire started burning, the cop did (more or less) what he had to do. My problem is not with the fire, it's with the spark; my problem is that no one else seems to think it's a problem.

The problem is that crack dealers probably think those laws banning what they do are arbitrary and bullshit too. It's not in our place to determine which laws are good and which laws are bad. Any time anyone gets arrested for breaking they law, they feel like they were being targeted.

[JimBeam]

It's not a police officers job to decide what laws they can and should uphold.

They are given discretion but when they chose not to give you the benefit of the doubt you deal with it, like an adult, not a child.

If as somebody said the police were told to look out for this infraction not only should they have upheld it but they were ordered to do so.

[Chigworthy]

My point is that when cops arbitrarily enforce bullshit laws, its natural that people become outraged. When people get outraged, shit escalates fast. I understand how the girls feel, and I understand how the police have to respond (though wildly throwing punches is pretty senseless).

Once the fire started burning, the cop did (more or less) what he had to do. My problem is not with the fire, it's with the spark; my problem is that no one else seems to think it's a problem.

How is it a bullshit law? And from what I've read, he was going to let the girls go with a verbal and they basically motherfucked him and walked off, which pretty much forced his hand . I guarantee the officer didn't want to write cites for an infraction to juveniles, but if they walk off while he is explaining the warning, it has to escalate.

And he didn't really throw a wild, senseless punch as you say. He threw one strike after she repeatedly put her hands on him and interfered with his arrest. Couple that with being surrounded by people apparently associated with the arrestee, and a lack of back up, and you have an officer that really can't afford to take his time and sweet talk the girls.

It's amazing to me that you, as well as the entirety of the media sources that I have read, have no problem with the girl putting her hands on the officer, and somehow think that she was justified in doing so because the prohibition of jaywalking is bullshit. It doesn't matter how you feel about laws, if they are laws, then don't break them in front of a police officer, or you will likely face some trouble.

[PapaBear]

What bugs me is how everyone keeps pointing out that she's a minor. What's the cop supposed to do? Ask her if she's at least 18, and THEN punch her?

[torker]

The Great White Hope.

[torker]

What bugs me is how everyone keeps pointing out that she's a minor. What's the cop supposed to do? Ask her if she's at least 18, and THEN punch her?

In NY at 16 you get charged as an adult.
No beer summit unless she's got some fake ID. Maybe a pitcher of Kool Aid instead. Mozeltov!

[Contra]

From what I've seen, my opinion, cop right, stupid bitches wrong, end of story.

[keithy_19]

My point is that when cops arbitrarily enforce bullshit laws, its natural that people become outraged. When people get outraged, shit escalates fast. I understand how the girls feel, and I understand how the police have to respond (though wildly throwing punches is pretty senseless).

Once the fire started burning, the cop did (more or less) what he had to do. My problem is not with the fire, it's with the spark; my problem is that no one else seems to think it's a problem.

I think it's a bullshit law as well. But, I understand that the cop was there to enforce that law and the law was put in place because so many people have been killed at that spot.

I would also be annoyed and maybe pissed off, but that girl was such a bitch about it. Learn to fucking control yourself.

[keithy_19]

No beer summit unless she's got some fake ID. Maybe a pitcher of Kool Aid instead. Mozeltov!

Jungle Juice?

[Suspect Chin]

In NY at 16 you get charged as an adult.
No beer summit unless she's got some fake ID. Maybe a pitcher of Kool Aid instead. Mozeltov!

How long until the Reverend Al gets involved?

[A.J.]

Good. I'm sick of asshole jaywalkers cutting out in the middle of the street. Use the fucking crosswalk.

And if you fuck with a cop like that, you get what you deserve.

[JimBeam]

How long until the Reverend Al gets involved?

They were supposedly gonna play some clips of Sharpton on Joy Behar related to this topic on O&A this morning but they never got around to it before I got out of the car.

I stayed with the show for like 35 minutes and I'm not normally a fan.

Today didn't help their case in my book.

Not anything they did but the jackoff ( Bob Kelly ?? ) they had as a guest/co-host was terrible.

Some of the worst radio this side of Stern.

So I guess Sharpton does have an opinion although I don't know what it is ( but it's not hard to guess where he stands ).

[Furtherman]

I hope you get arrested for jaywalking.

just to be fair, the city told the cops to stop people because like 60 were hit by cars in this particular intersection and it was the most dangerous on in the city. also, there is a pedestrian bridge right near by

This.

[sailor]

Oh, well, if the city told them to do it, I'm fine with it.




People should not be getting hassled by cops for something all of us do every fucking day. The rest of you should not tolerate your fellow citizens getting hassled. Next time it could be you. How will you react?

I didn't like how they were treating our fellow citizen, the cop.

[disneyspy]

patrice is fuckin hilarious in this

http://www.youtube.com/opieradio#p/u/1/M2SkfSS7Di4

[TripleSkeet]

I watched the video and I still cant find what the cop did wrong?

Hello? She was ASSAULTING A FUCKING OFFICER! Where in Gods name can you do this and NOT get punched? Nowhere Ive ever seen.

The guy had 2 people both resisting arrest and shoving him, he shouldve just tased both those cunts and not even bothered with a punch.

[Serpico1103]

The only thing he did wrong was not be prepared to handle this sort of situation quicker. The longer it took him to handcuff the first girl, the greater chance of outside interference.

I am amazed that people think you can touch an officer. Imagine what those girls' teachers, parents (probably the root of the problem) and other authority figures must endure.

[newport king]

So your opinion is if the police are inconveniencing you feel free to resist regardless of whether or not you're guilty ?

Should the murders and violent criminals that cops occasionally deal with also follow this path ?

something tells me this jerkoff hasn't had to deal with many murderers and violent criminals if he's citing people for fucking jaywalking tickets.

bunch of do-gooder queers in here. you know in new jersey its against the law to sell cabbage on a sunday? lets shut down the supermarkets.

[Suspect Chin]

something tells me this jerkoff hasn't had to deal with many murderers and violent criminals if he's citing people for fucking jaywalking tickets.

bunch of do-gooder queers in here. you know in new jersey its against the law to sell cabbage on a sunday? lets shut down the supermarkets.

Right. Next time a cop pulls you over, tell him this and then push him away and drive off.

[newport king]

i didnt say she was right in her reaction. i said he was wrong for making an event out of jaywalking.

[Serpico1103]

i didnt say she was right in her reaction. i said he was wrong for making an event out of jaywalking.

She made "an event" out of the incident. When she resisted the officer initially should his response have been to let her her go, it's only jaywalking? Why fight with a 17yo girl over jaywalking?

Once he makes the decision to cite her, he must do so, using appropriate force. The problem is people think you can argue and slap your way out of consequences.

Are the police officers targeting kids for jaywalking? Black kids for jaywalking? That may be a valid question, but not one debated with an officer by slapping at him.

[midwestjeff]

She made "an event" out of the incident.

I think "uppity" is the word you are looking for to describe her.

Behavior. Her behavior. :unsure:

[sailor]

As someone else pointed out there were something like 60 accidents involving peds at that intersection, which is why the police were actively ticketing jaywalkers there.

[Serpico1103]

I think "uppity" is the word you are looking for to describe her.

Behavior. Her behavior. :unsure:

I don't describe resisting arrest as "uppity." Drinking from my water fountain...uppity.

As someone else pointed out there were something like 60 accidents involving peds at that intersection, which is why the police were actively ticketing jaywalkers there.

Or was it a plot by black hating police officers to further subjugate young blacks to perpetuate this cycle of oppression?

It is another example of lay people "examining" an incident they don't understand. They say it was just jaywalking. Every encounter can turn deadly for an officer. They can not let their guard down, because it is "just jaywalking." I have seen videos of officers getting shot to death because they stopped a car with a broken taillight. just a broken taillight.
I just wish he would have "two pieced" that bitch pinky, then hip tossed the first girl onto her nappy ho head.

[Sarge]

I really don't see what the officer did wrong. He appears to be making a lawful arrest, and the person he is arresting is resisting, that ups the offense to a crime in most states. Her friend then gets involved and assaults the officer, at the very least its obstruction but I'm sure she will be charged with aggravated assault on a police officer. He used the force needed to end her interference and assault on him, then he stopped and focused back on his original arrest.
First, I have had to cuff an unknown number of people in my career, and I can tell you if they don't want to be cuffed, you're going to really have a problem cuffing them. Second, the officer was surrounded and if he took her to the ground and got tied up with her, he and his weapon become vulnerable to the crowd surrounding him. I've been assaulted numerous times by people interfering with an arrest I was making. One time I got snuck from behind and got knock flat on my ass. When I came back around, there were now two people for me to fight with. I can tell you first hand it sucks, bad, I was lucky I snapped out of it quick and my backup wasn't far away.
Its easy for us to watch this and judge the officer, but he did what he had to do. Most people if put in the same situation probably would have done worse.
Sorry if I ranted a bit.

[StanUpshaw]

As someone else pointed out there were something like 60 accidents involving peds at that intersection, which is why the police were actively ticketing jaywalkers there.

I took a whole five minutes and looked around for some corroboration of this figure.

61 pedestrian accidents happened between 2002 and 2006 on an EIGHT MILE stretch of Rainier Avenue S.

Not "that intersection." 8 miles over 5 years.

A regular death trap. (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/311440_jaywalk13.html) :rolleyes:



And as far as problem intersections (http://www.seattlepi.com/transportation/302430_peds05.html) go:
TOP INTERSECTIONS FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS

Number of incidents, 2002-06

Ninth Avenue and James Street 14
Third Avenue and Pike Street 12
Broadway and East Pin 11
Denny Way and Stewart Street 10
Fifth Avenue and Spring Street 9
Broadway and East Denny Way 8

[midwestjeff]

8 Mile, yo!

Represent.

[sailor]

I took a whole five minutes and looked around for some corroboration of this figure.

61 pedestrian accidents happened between 2002 and 2006 on an EIGHT MILE stretch of Rainier Avenue S.

Not "that intersection." 8 miles over 5 years.

A regular death trap. (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/311440_jaywalk13.html) :rolleyes:



And as far as problem intersections (http://www.seattlepi.com/transportation/302430_peds05.html) go:

cool, thanks for looking that up for us. doesn't change the fact he was right and she was wrong.

[StanUpshaw]

cool, thanks for looking that up for us. doesn't change the fact he was right and she was wrong.

He was acting legally and she was acting illegally. I fucking pray that isn't what constitute right and wrong for you.

[TripleSkeet]

He was acting legally and she was acting illegally. I fucking pray that isn't what constitute right and wrong for you.

Attacking a cop in the middle of an arrest is fucking wrong. Period. I dont give a fuck what kind of goofy fucked up logic you try to come with to condone it. Its wrong. EVERY TIME.

[Snacks]

Cop did nothing wrong. I usually hate cops and everything they do. That being said how can anyone with a brain think he was wrong? Even if you are being ticketed falsely or stopped, you do as the officer says so there isnt even more problems that can and will be worse. If I get pulled over I put my hands on the steering wheel, turn my radio off and role my window down. You do this to protect yourself so the cop knows you are no threat to him and he doesnt shoot you by accident.

This problem was created by the 2 teen girls who have never learned to respect or listen to authority. They thought they had every right to just say fuck you and walk away. They are lucky he didnt taze or shoot them. Its funny how the people I see jaywalking the most are black teens and they dont even run to get there safer and faster. They just stroll along, with an attitude. The law is stupid but the people who cant walk at the cross walk or are too lazy to use the walk over bridges are danger to themselves and drivers. Do you know what it would be like to kill someone while driving a car? Yes the driver probably wouldnt get arrested but they would be mentally fucked for years.

[Chigworthy]

He was acting legally and she was acting illegally. I fucking pray that isn't what constitute right and wrong for you.

What's right for you may be some treatment for sociopathy.

[StanUpshaw]

Attacking a cop in the middle of an arrest is fucking wrong. Period. I dont give a fuck what kind of goofy fucked up logic you try to come with to condone it. Its wrong. EVERY TIME.

Legally? Sure.

Practically? You bet your ass.

Morally? No, you fucking lemmings. How the fuck is submitting to an overbearing, abusive and unjust system of authority morally right? Do you have no grasp of history? Yes, in this case it's just some stupid jaywalking ticket. But what law will be passed in the future that you find intolerable? Is it really wrong EVERY TIME?

[StanUpshaw]

What's right for you may be some treatment for sociopathy.

First they came for the jaywalkers...

[Chigworthy]

Legally? Sure.

Practically? You bet your ass.

Morally? No, you fucking lemmings. How the fuck is submitting to an overbearing, abusive and unjust system of authority morally right? Do you have no grasp of history? Yes, in this case it's just some stupid jaywalking ticket. But what law will be passed in the future that you find intolerable? Is it really wrong EVERY TIME?

So you want no laws then? Or just the ones that you think are just?

[Serpico1103]

Legally? Sure.

Practically? You bet your ass.

Morally? No, you fucking lemmings. How the fuck is submitting to an overbearing, abusive and unjust system of authority morally right? Do you have no grasp of history? Yes, in this case it's just some stupid jaywalking ticket. But what law will be passed in the future that you find intolerable? Is it really wrong EVERY TIME?

Get a grip. This wasn't a protest about an unjust law. This was a young girl with no respect for the laws or those that enforce them. Protesting laws is fine, hold a sit in, have an organized protest. Slapping a cop for trying to reasonable restrain your law-breaking friend- improper, immoral behavior.

The incident was being taped, if the cop's actions were so improper they could have used the tape to spark a larger movement against the "overreaction" to jaywalking.

[JimBeam]

Morally? No, you fucking lemmings. How the fuck is submitting to an overbearing, abusive and unjust system of authority morally right? Do you have no grasp of history? Yes, in this case it's just some stupid jaywalking ticket. But what law will be passed in the future that you find intolerable? Is it really wrong EVERY TIME?

Lemmings for following the law ?

So the law says I can't come into your house and steal your stuff.

So should I ignore that because I'd just be doing what they want me to do or not do ?

Laws are subject to approval by the people regardless of how big of a conspiracy nut you are.

Laws are upheld and striken down by the people they impact.

So if a state/city tries to pass a law the cistizens of which think is unjust they get it defeated.

Same sex marriage is OK in Connecticut but not in Alabama because that's how the situation weighs in each of those areas. That's how the system works.

It's why it baffles me that so many people in NY have an opinion on a law in AZ.

I can assure you that you don't want the citizens of Mesa and Phoenix having a say in the laws that impact you on a daily basis.

[Contra]

That cop does need the retraining though. That girl wasn't hard or anything, just wiggly, and he took so damn long. Kenny was right, he must be getting laughed at constantly by other cops.

[Serpico1103]

That cop does need the retraining though. That girl wasn't hard or anything, just wiggly, and he took so damn long. Kenny was right, he must be getting laughed at constantly by other cops.

I can only guess, because she was a young girl and there was a crowd, he was trying to just control her. The simple move would have been a hip toss or leg trip. Then knee to back of head as you control the arms. He was trying to be take it easy, but by not taking clear control of the situation, he allowed others to think they have a right to interfere. I am not faulting the officer, but quick decisive action is needed, he let the situation boil over.
I agree that the officer, and most officers are not trained enough, for budget reasons. I think he tried the ear nerve pressure point to subdue the girl, that is only annoying, no one ever gives up because you are causing pain, unless you are also controlling them. Maybe the officer shouldn't have started the physical contact with the first girl, maybe a more respectful approach would have worked, but once the girl starts to resist he must control the situation.

[dereckfishboy]

Legally? Sure.

Practically? You bet your ass.

Morally? No, you fucking lemmings. How the fuck is submitting to an overbearing, abusive and unjust system of authority morally right? Do you have no grasp of history? Yes, in this case it's just some stupid jaywalking ticket. But what law will be passed in the future that you find intolerable? Is it really wrong EVERY TIME?

There is a proper time and place for dissention.... The mature thing to do is comply with the officer, show up for your court date and ask to have the ticket dismissed.... If you think the law itself is unjust, we have constitutional rights that allow you legally organize and contest that law, which has absolutely proven successful in the past. I don't think anyone is suggesting submission to abusive and unjust authority. The means in which it is done is the issue here, and acting belligerent as well as defiant at that moment is the difference between behaving like a civilized member of an enlightened society or behaving like an impulsive animal.

[TripleSkeet]

Legally? Sure.

Practically? You bet your ass.

Morally? No, you fucking lemmings. How the fuck is submitting to an overbearing, abusive and unjust system of authority morally right? Do you have no grasp of history? Yes, in this case it's just some stupid jaywalking ticket. But what law will be passed in the future that you find intolerable? Is it really wrong EVERY TIME?

Wait, so if me or someone I know is being arrested for what I FEEL is an unjust reason, its morally right for me to attack the cop? Like I said, theres no fucked up logic that can excuse that.

[Serpico1103]

Wait, so if me or someone I know is being arrested for what I FEEL is an unjust reason, its morally right for me to attack the cop? Like I said, theres no fucked up logic that can excuse that.

I suggest merely grabbing the cop's gun so he doesn't get carried away.

[Lady Resin]

Girl who shoved cop is charged — and privately apologizes to officer

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012154761_rosenthal19m.html

[midwestjeff]

Apparently the transcripts from the "private" apology have been leaked.

Here's an excerpt;

I's a so sorry, mistah sir. Peas a don't be hittins me no mo'.

[StanUpshaw]

Wait, so if me or someone I know is being arrested for what I FEEL is an unjust reason, its morally right for me to attack the cop? Like I said, theres no fucked up logic that can excuse that.

Can injustice be anything other than a FEELing? Are there ways to empirically measure an unjust law?

[midwestjeff]

Are there ways to empirically measure an unjust law?

Because Stone Cold said so?

[StanUpshaw]

Lemmings for following the law ?

You follow that law? Bullshit. My point from the very start is that everyone fucking jaywalks, and a law that make 100% of the citizenry a criminal should not be a goddamn law.

[StanUpshaw]

Get a grip. This wasn't a protest about an unjust law. This was a young girl with no respect for the laws or those that enforce them. Protesting laws is fine, hold a sit in, have an organized protest. Slapping a cop for trying to reasonable restrain your law-breaking friend- improper, immoral behavior.

The incident was being taped, if the cop's actions were so improper they could have used the tape to spark a larger movement against the "overreaction" to jaywalking.

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest. She just said Fuck You, your rules are bullshit and I'm done following them. She was right and so was this girl. It's a shame she rolled over.

[torker]

It's a fair cop, but society is to blame.

[torker]

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest. She just said Fuck You, your rules are bullshit and I'm done following them. She was right and so was this girl. It's a shame she rolled over.:wacko:

[midwestjeff]

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest. She just said Fuck You, your rules are bullshit and I'm done following them.

Yeah, and she's dead now.

It's better to keep quiet.

---or---

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest.

Why not?

Too lazy?

[torker]

She has more in common with Bert Parks.
http://www.cmt.com/sitewide/assets/img/shows/miss_america/miss_america_moments/bparks012-x365.jpg

[keithy_19]

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest. She just said Fuck You, your rules are bullshit and I'm done following them. She was right and so was this girl. It's a shame she rolled over.

You're joking...right?

[Chigworthy]

You're joking...right?

No, he's swayed me. A 17 year old saying fuck you to a cop for giving a verbal warning about her god-given right to jaywalk is exactly the same as systematic denial of civil rights by the establishment.

[Contra]

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest. She just said Fuck You, your rules are bullshit and I'm done following them. She was right and so was this girl. It's a shame she rolled over.

Yeah, Hitler said fuck you too

[Barnaby Jones]

Rosa Parks' actions were part of an organized protest!

[StanUpshaw]

Rosa Parks' actions were part of an organized protest!

Like the rest, you are wrong. The others ethically; you factually.

[midwestjeff]

Yeah, Hitler said fuck you too

Like the rest, you are wrong.

Hitler said fuck Jews.

[weekapaugjz]

Like the rest, you are wrong. The others ethically; you factually.

i didn't realize ethics could be right or wrong.

[midwestjeff]

Dude, they're always wrong.

Oh, wait, I thought you said ethnics.

[disneyspy]

hey,which one of you assholes wants to suck my cock?

[weekapaugjz]

hey,which one of you assholes wants to suck my cock?

has your dick been in an asshole?

because if so, then yes.

[disneyspy]

has your dick been in an asshole?

because if so, then yes.

not tonight,it was a first date and he was kinda on the prudish side

[weekapaugjz]

not tonight,it was a first date and he was kinda on the prudish side

should've called jeff.

[disneyspy]

should've called jeff.

i did but he said he was busy batin in the neighbors bushes

[StanUpshaw]

i didn't realize ethics could be right or wrong.

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[weekapaugjz]

that's a good one.

[midwestjeff]

that's a good one.

Wow. Looks like you just ate a little crow.

And I will totally suck your cock Disney. You have coke, right?

[disneyspy]

no coke,pepsi

[Barnaby Jones]

Like the rest, you are wrong. The others ethically; you factually.

Parks was part of local activist organization, namely the NAACP Youth Council, that was actively looking to be able to force the bus issue through a boycott! That doesn't make what she did any less brave or great, but it wasn't something that "just happened!" If they hadn't been preparing for the boycott it likely wouldn't have been as effective, if at all at the time!

[midwestjeff]

no coke,pepsi

Fuck it.

Close enough.

[Contra]

Like the rest, you are wrong.

Hitler said fuck Jews.

I'm pretty sure there weren't just Jews in Poland, or France, or England. Can't invade Poland and France? Fuck you. Can't bomb Britain? Fuck You. Can't ethnically cleanse? Fuck you.

[torker]

His Letter from a Cambridge Jail is powerful stuff.
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/skipgatesmugshot.jpg

A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God.
An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law

[Contra]

His Letter from a Cambridge Jail is powerful stuff.
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/skipgatesmugshot.jpg

A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God.
An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law
Holy doubletalk Batman!

[Serpico1103]

You follow that law? Bullshit. My point from the very start is that everyone fucking jaywalks, and a law that make 100% of the citizenry a criminal should not be a goddamn law.

Everyone breaks traffic laws; speeding, stop signs, lane changes, wipers when it is lightly raining. Should our friends get out of the passenger side of the car and start swinging at the officer as he writes the ticket?

LordJezo does a fine job, stop trying to be a character.

Did MLK slap a cop? Did Gandhi? Did Rosa Parks?

[3Setsof10]

Oh, well, if the city told them to do it, I'm fine with it.




People should not be getting hassled by cops for something all of us do every fucking day. The rest of you should not tolerate your fellow citizens getting hassled. Next time it could be you. How will you react?

I'll use my brain and listen to an officer of the law and not act like an escaped ape screaming and yelling and pushing

"everyone does it" - what a ridiculous statement to make

[3Setsof10]

First they came for the jaywalkers...

OK this has to be a troll, no one can possibly write that without laughing

[StanUpshaw]

OK this has to be a troll, no one can possibly write that without laughing

Yes, of course that one was just being silly.

"...and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jaywalker."

It does not apply, since every last motherfucker here is a jaywalker. For some reason, you people are so utterly self absorbed that any ability to empathize has completely dissolved. It will be to your ruin.

[Chigworthy]

Rosa Parks' actions were part of an organized protest!

Like the rest, you are wrong. The others ethically; you factually.

Parks was part of local activist organization, namely the NAACP Youth Council, that was actively looking to be able to force the bus issue through a boycott! That doesn't make what she did any less brave or great, but it wasn't something that "just happened!" If they hadn't been preparing for the boycott it likely wouldn't have been as effective, if at all at the time!

Faced into Quietsville!

[StanUpshaw]

Faced into Quietsville!

Hardly. Anyone who wants to learn about Parks, can. They will see who's correct.

[Chigworthy]

Hardly. Anyone who wants to learn about Parks, can. They will see who's correct.

Well you've proven your point and backed it up with evidence to boot.

[sailor]

Yes, of course that one was just being silly.

"...and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jaywalker."

It does not apply, since every last motherfucker here is a jaywalker. For some reason, you people are so utterly self absorbed that any ability to empathize has completely dissolved. It will be to your ruin.

perhaps we're just empathizing with the othe side? And if we're all jaywalkers, we'd sympathize
with her. No, you're right because none of the rest of us have the shared experience of attacking a cop like a moron.

I think others may have said it, but everyone speeds. Do you think we should attack cops at speed traps?

[A.J.]

You follow that law? Bullshit. My point from the very start is that everyone fucking jaywalks, and a law that make 100% of the citizenry a criminal should not be a goddamn law.

You've convinced me that we should allow jaywalking. And better still, when some idiot gets hit for cutting out into traffic, he should then have the right to sue because pedestrians always have the right of way.

[SinA]

We should be able to put our prejudices aside and say that her skin color didn't matter, the bitch just had it coming.

[torker]

First they came for the jaywalkers...

S'matter, you people never heard of a cross walk?
http://wisdom4u.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/jesus-carries-the-cross.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

S'matter, you people never heard of a cross walk?
http://wisdom4u.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/jesus-carries-the-cross.jpg

wow a whole 5 pages before the gratuitous Jesus ridicule....

Usually the unoriginal morons go for that hack shit by page 2...

Torker, your such a rebel, maaaaaan!

[Serpico1103]

wow a whole 5 pages before the gratuitous Jesus ridicule....

Usually the unoriginal morons go for that hack shit by page 2...

Torker, your such a rebel, maaaaaan!

Yeah, maaan, he doesn't have the nerve to go after Muhammad.

Those godless liberals always pick on defenseless targets- like the creator of the universe.

[torker]

wow a whole 5 pages before the gratuitous Jesus ridicule....

Usually the unoriginal morons go for that hack shit by page 2...

Torker, your such a rebel, maaaaaan!

Hey cunt, it's not a hack Jesus joke, it's a hack Jew joke.

[torker]

Yeah, maaan, he doesn't have the nerve to go after Muhammad.

Those godless liberals always pick on defenseless targets- like the creator of the universe.

Please direct me to your stash of cutting edge comedy gold. I must have missed it in you first 3,360 posts.

[Serpico1103]

Please direct me to your stash of cutting edge comedy gold. I must have missed it in you first 3,360 posts.

Sorry, you missed the humor.
But, thanks for reading all 3,360, now 3,361.

[torker]

Sorry, you missed the humor.
But, thanks for reading all 3,360, now 3,361.


May you live to a 1,000,000 posts, budday.

[underdog]

wow a whole 5 pages before the gratuitous Jesus ridicule....

Usually the unoriginal morons go for that hack shit by page 2...

Torker, your such a rebel, maaaaaan!

Please explain how he was ridiculing Jesus, overreacting christian.

[keithy_19]

Please explain how he was ridiculing Jesus, overreacting christian.

You don't know that we live in a Judeo Christin nation where the term 'cross walk' comes from the walk that Jesus took with the cross on his back towards calvary?

Please do some research before you post.


















































































































:wink:

[dino_electropolis]

Please explain how he was ridiculing Jesus, overreacting christian.



Underdog, please see kieth's post above.

You really do excell at making urself come off as real tool. Way to go buddy!

[torker]

http://www.wherearethedogshumping.com/crosswalk.jpg

[torker]

You don't know that we live in a Judeo Christin nation where the term 'cross walk' comes from the walk that Jesus took with the cross on his back towards calvary?

Please do some research before you post.

:wink:
hmmm
http://enominepatris.com/occult/images/dc/wtau.gif
this may be bigger than I thought...

[StanUpshaw]

perhaps we're just empathizing with the othe side? And if we're all jaywalkers, we'd sympathize
with her. No, you're right because none of the rest of us have the shared experience of attacking a cop like a moron.

I think others may have said it, but everyone speeds. Do you think we should attack cops at speed traps?

I think if cops don't enforce the posted speed limit, instead letting everyone believe that the de facto speed limit is 5-10 MPH higher, then outrage is justified when a certain unlucky minority gets punished for traveling within the de facto speed limit. Speed traps definitely qualify as arbitrary enforcement, and they should not be tolerated.

[underdog]

http://www.wherearethedogshumping.com/crosswalk.jpg

Please stop ridiculing cross walks.

[sailor]

I think if cops don't enforce the posted speed limit, instead letting everyone believe that the de facto speed limit is 5-10 MPH higher, then outrage is justified when a certain unlucky minority gets punished for traveling within the de facto speed limit. Speed traps definitely qualify as arbitrary enforcement, and they should not be tolerated.

You're kooky.

[StanUpshaw]

You're kooky.

http://imgur.com/qe4L2.jpg

[torker]

n/m

[torker]

Jesus don't want me for a speedbump.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fk69CK2kCdQ/0.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

Because Stone Cold said so?

Im sorry it took me 2 days to see this. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Serpico1103]

I think if cops don't enforce the posted speed limit, instead letting everyone believe that the de facto speed limit is 5-10 MPH higher, then outrage is justified when a certain unlucky minority gets punished for traveling within the de facto speed limit. Speed traps definitely qualify as arbitrary enforcement, and they should not be tolerated.

So, we should slap cops who stop us for minor traffic infractions. Nice.

Yes, maybe we should question whether jaywalking needs to be enforced differently. No, we do not do that by slapping police officers. Police officers on the street don't make policy.

[Chigworthy]

I think if cops don't enforce the posted speed limit, instead letting everyone believe that the de facto speed limit is 5-10 MPH higher, then outrage is justified when a certain unlucky minority gets punished for traveling within the de facto speed limit. Speed traps definitely qualify as arbitrary enforcement, and they should not be tolerated.

If this tactic of pretext stops is used to profile minorities, then it would reason that in areas where there are very few minorities, there would be very few pretext stops. Is that what you believe?

And the logical solution to your perceived issue with a lack of enforcement would be to hire enough police officers to stop every single person that speeds at the"de facto" speed limit, which is everyone, according to you.

[StanUpshaw]

If this tactic of pretext stops is used to profile minorities, then it would reason that in areas where there are very few minorities, there would be very few pretext stops. Is that what you believe?

And the logical solution to your perceived issue with a lack of enforcement would be to hire enough police officers to stop every single person that speeds at the"de facto" speed limit, which is everyone, according to you.

My use of "minority" had nothing to do with ethnicity. Even so, the word should not lose any of its potency. Inequality in the enforcement of the law is what people should be fighting against, whether it's motivated by race or any other, less emotionally charged, reason.



I was answering a question posed in the thread. The question's premise was that everyone speeds. I pretty much agree, but I was trying to establish a more precise description of the situation. Do you disagree with my assessment?

There is only one logical and just solution. Set a realistic speed limit, and make it unambiguous that the posted speed limit is the law. Through advertising and then rigid enforcement...whatever the case may be.

You can't allow a dog to jump on the couch 99 times, then beat him with a newspaper on the 100th. What kind of cruel, schizophrenic master would behave like that?

Yet that's how the system works with the issues we've been talking about. Jaywalkers do not simply break the law unnoticed, they are ignored. Drivers that travel within the de facto speed limit aren't avoiding detection, they are ignored. Then out of the blue, they get blasted. It's simply wrong.

[JimBeam]

As far as the " everybody does it " approach does that imply to drinking and driving ? Not everybody does it but an awful lot of people do.

Who says the legal limit should be .08 ?

I should fight that law.

And you reffered to people who follow the law as lemmings yet you say " everybody does it ".

So isn't that more lemming like ?

[TjM]

Rosa Parks didn't organize a protest. She just said Fuck You, your rules are bullshit and I'm done following them. She was right and so was this girl. It's a shame she rolled over.

ATTICA! ATTICA!

[TjM]

No, he's swayed me. A 17 year old saying fuck you to a cop for giving a verbal warning about her god-given right to jaywalk is exactly the same as systematic denial of civil rights by the establishment.

She wasn't jaywalking her friend was. Then she like an idiot decided to jump in and shove the dude

[StanUpshaw]

As far as the " everybody does it " approach does that imply to drinking and driving ? Not everybody does it but an awful lot of people do.

Who says the legal limit should be .08 ?

I should fight that law.

And you reffered to people who follow the law as lemmings yet you say " everybody does it ".

So isn't that more lemming like ?

You have a way with logic. A regular Daniel Webster.

[JimBeam]

Way to not answer the question.

[StanUpshaw]

Way to not answer the question.

:rolleyes:

You should fight any law you find unjust. It is your duty as a citizen.

A lot of you seem to think otherwise, thus you are lemmings.

[Barnaby Jones]

:rolleyes:

You should fight any law you find unjust. It is your duty as a citizen.

A lot of you seem to think otherwise, thus you are lemmings.

Isn't this subjective? You may find jaywalking laws to be unjust, but what if someone else doesn't? Wouldn't they just be lemmings for listening to you and viewing the law as unjust simply because you argue that it is? Shouldn't each person decide whether or not they find something like laws in regards to jaywalking unjust?

[StanUpshaw]

Isn't this subjective? You may find jaywalking laws to be unjust, but what if someone else doesn't? Wouldn't they just be lemmings for listening to you and viewing the law as unjust simply because you argue that it is? Shouldn't each person decide whether or not they find something like laws in regards to jaywalking unjust?

You should fight any law you find unjust. It is your duty as a citizen.

A lot of you seem to think [that you should accept that the law is absolute and that you should just shut up and do what you're told], thus you are lemmings.

[Serpico1103]

You should fight any law you find unjust. It is your duty as a citizen.

A lot of you seem to think [that you should accept that the law is absolute and that you should just shut up and do what you're told], thus you are lemmings.

No one has said that. Take a breathe, insurgent. Everyone has simply said, slapping a cop while lawfully arresting your friend is not the way to fight a law you perceive to be unjust.

[torker]

StanUpittyshaw:wacko:

[StanUpshaw]

StanUpittyshaw:wacko:

You think it's easy being the lone defender of liberty on ronfez.net?

[Serpico1103]

You think it's easy being the lone promoter of anarchy on ronfez.net?

More accurate.

[Suspect Chin]

I never would have started this thread had I known it was going to lead to the downfall of Upshaw.

[StanUpshaw]

Hope you're happy. Things will never be the same.

[Chigworthy]

I never would have started this thread had I known it was going to lead to the downfall of Upshaw.

By downfall of, do you mean the board characterization of?

[Suspect Chin]

By downfall of, do you mean the board characterization of?

Yes.

[StanUpshaw]

I think we've seen many folks' true colors with the help of this thread.

[Serpico1103]

I think we've seen many folks' true colors with the help of this thread.

Ron: and our next guest is Cyndi Lauper.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Both girls wrong. And cop is also wrong. I do agree the law is usually what you go by. I also agree there's a better way to deal with a situation like this than resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.

What I do not agree with is this notion that just because you're law enforcement you're better than the rest of us. That you're now superior to the rest of the public you serve. What we've done is take the rightful respect due for people choosing to do a tough and often thankless job and turned it into some Christ complex. Some people act as if a person wearing a badge is above the very law they are there to enforce.

In this incident I say fine, you risk getting knocked out putting your hands on a cop. Granted. But then to throw on this extra nonsense. "I never see a reason to put your hands on a cop" Well, maybe they're one of the few asshole bad cops. I only speak from personal experience. There are some bad cops out there. Thankfully they are far outnumbered by good ones though.

[Serpico1103]

Both girls wrong. And cop is also wrong. I do agree the law is usually what you go by. I also agree there's a better way to deal with a situation like this than resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.

What I do not agree with is this notion that just because you're law enforcement you're better than the rest of us. That you're now superior to the rest of the public you serve. What we've done is take the rightful respect due for people choosing to do a tough and often thankless job and turned it into some Christ complex. Some people act as if a person wearing a badge is above the very law they are there to enforce.

In this incident I say fine, you risk getting knocked out putting your hands on a cop. Granted. But then to throw on this extra nonsense. "I never see a reason to put your hands on a cop" Well, maybe they're one of the few asshole bad cops. I only speak from personal experience. There are some bad cops out there. Thankfully they are far outnumbered by good ones though.

You don't put your hands on cops, not because they are Christ-like, but because you can't win. Either you win the fight, but go to jail (now with an extra charge of assaulting a cop) or you lose the (getting your ass kicked and with an extra charge of assaulting a cop).

If you can beat up the cop and get away without being charged for anything... go for it.

[YourAmishDaddy]

It's not so much a case I'm speaking of where you were in the wrong. (traffic offenses, theft, etc...) But the actual cop. By overreaching their authority, or by blatantly committing a crime themselves. (Think cop, plus alcohol, plus being the ex of your current, for example.) That's one good reason to put your hands on someone, cop or not. Granted it's a rare case where that'll ever happen, but it did happen. Like I said, I speak from personal experience.

[sailor]

It's not so much a case I'm speaking of where you were in the wrong. (traffic offenses, theft, etc...) But the actual cop. By overreaching their authority, or by blatantly committing a crime themselves. (Think cop, plus alcohol, plus being the ex of your current, for example.) That's one good reason to put your hands on someone, cop or not. Granted it's a rare case where that'll ever happen, but it did happen. Like I said, I speak from personal experience.

was all this during an arrest/ticketing? otherwise it's not what we're talking about here. that's like saying "my brother's a cop and i kick his ass all the time!"

[Serpico1103]

It's not so much a case I'm speaking of where you were in the wrong. (traffic offenses, theft, etc...) But the actual cop. By overreaching their authority, or by blatantly committing a crime themselves. (Think cop, plus alcohol, plus being the ex of your current, for example.) That's one good reason to put your hands on someone, cop or not. Granted it's a rare case where that'll ever happen, but it did happen. Like I said, I speak from personal experience.

So, you think there are people that think if a cop is raping their sister, they should just ignore it because cops are a special class of people?

[torker]

So, you think there are people that think if a cop is raping their sister, they should just ignore it because cops are a special class of people?

In a hypothetical like this Nazis are usually holding a gun to somebody's head to add an air of credulity.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm bumping this thread because it was awesome.