hidden opinions

[sailor]

as brought up on the show last week, what hidden opinions do you keep to yourselves for fear of what people will think?

myself, i have almost no empathy for people i don't know. this covers 9/11, katrina, the tsunami, gulf spill, et al.

[DonInNC]

I thought hidden opinions was a great segment, and I hope it returns.
I keep my atheism to myself for the most part. Partly because I don't see much point in going on about what I don't believe, but also because of the condescending attitudes of the bible thumpers down here.

[StanUpshaw]

My hidden opinions would crash the server.

[Serpico1103]

as brought up on the show last week, what hidden opinions do you keep to yourselves for fear of what people will think?

myself, i have almost no empathy for people i don't know. this covers 9/11, katrina, the tsunami, gulf spill, et al.

I somewhat agree. I don't have the super-empathy for "tragedy" victims versus people involved in small accidents.
Also, I don't have extra sadness for American tragedies compared to international ones. People are people. Except small town folk, they are animals.

[Lady Resin]

I somewhat agree. I don't have the super-empathy for "tragedy" victims versus people involved in small accidents.
Also, I don't have extra sadness for American tragedies compared to international ones. People are people. Except small town folk, they are animals.

I totally understand. I lost 3 family members and a friend. I don't go on forums and whine. It is an odd day though. I try to keep my thoughts off the internent and do my yearly ritual of visiting a memorial. It did upset me, but I try to get stronger every year. Anyway on an another note, my hidden opinion? I live 3 blocks from Newark. I'll leave it at that.

[oPant]

I keep my prejudices and racial jokes to myself. Sometimes I will post a funny comment at one site where people are cool with it, but not at another. Do I think they are not as smart? Yes, will I say it in public. No.

[oPant]

I live 3 blocks from Newark. I'll leave it at that.

Essex or Union County?

[Lady Resin]

Essex or Union County?

Essex

[torker]

marijuana, how i can connect with people i don't know better than people i care about, typos, my mastabatory habits

[Devo37]

I keep my atheism to myself for the most part. Partly because I don't see much point in going on about what I don't believe, but also because of the condescending attitudes of the bible thumpers down here.

same here. i find it quite comical that people believe in supernatural beings, invisible spirits, people rising from the dead, afterlife, etc. (akin to adults believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy), but it's usually not worth the hassle to get into arguments about it.

also, muslims. generally don't like or trust them. islam may be one of the most dangerous threats that modern civilization currently faces.

[Kevin]

same here. i find it quite comical that people believe in supernatural beings, invisible spirits, people rising from the dead, afterlife, etc. (akin to adults believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy), but it's usually not worth the hassle to get into arguments about it.

also, muslims. generally don't like or trust them. islam may be one of the most dangerous threats that modern civilization currently faces.



As opposed to any other religion?

You do realize that the Catholic church is prob one of if not the most dangerous and corrupt organization in the history of mankind right?

[Devo37]

As opposed to any other religion?

You do realize that the Catholic church is prob one of if not the most dangerous and corrupt organization in the history of mankind right?

historically, yes. but currently, i think muslims are a much larger threat.

[Kevin]

historically, yes. but currently, i think muslims are a much larger threat.



How? So a little minority makes them a bigger threat?

Here is how alot changes..

Give the Palestinians their original land that they had after Israel was made in 47 and everything is fine.

And if you think the that the Catholic Church is any less dangerous than you are sadly mistaken.

They are just more stealthy now.

I think the prob is the Islamic corrupt Regimes more than Islam itself.

Most of those regimes we put there ourselves.

They are all about money and land, Religion has nothing to do with it.

As it was shown almost a year ago during the Iran thing.

[Devo37]

How? So a little minority makes them a bigger threat?

Here is how alot changes..

Give the Palestinians their original land that they had after Israel was made in 47 and everything is fine.

And if you think the that the Catholic Church is any less dangerous than you are sadly mistaken.

They are just more stealthy now.

I think the prob is the Islamic corrupt Regimes more than Islam itself.

Most of those regimes we put there ourselves.

They are all about money and land, Religion has nothing to do with it.

As it was shown almost a year ago during the Iran thing.

i'm certainly not here to defend any particular religion (not believing in any of their fairy tales and all), but...

* islam is hardly a little minority (1.3 billion, and one of the fastest growing religions in the world)

* israel (certainly not the most innocent of parties) is not going to disappear. suicide bombings, lobbing hamas missiles, etc. 60 years later is not going to change anything. palestinians will not be happy until they realize this (and i doubt they'll be happy then).

* whether it's by corrupt political regimes, or fanatics, islam has more violence and oppression performed in its name than any other religion. it's pretty hard to dispute that fact!

[StanUpshaw]

Hell, just the number of Muslims murdering other Muslims (Darfur, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan) likely dwarfs all other demographics combined.

[A.J.]

* israel (certainly not the most innocent of parties) is not going to disappear. suicide bombings, lobbing hamas missiles, etc. 60 years later is not going to change anything. palestinians will not be happy until they realize this (and i doubt they'll be happy then).[/SIZE]

They're not saying that Israel has to disappear. They're saying that Israel needs to get out of lands promised to the Palestinians back in 1947 (lands that were seized and occupied since 1967).

The Jerusalem issue is a whole other can of worms...

[realmenhatelife]

I admire Kate Gosselin. She turned 8 kids into a million dollars. People act like they would have a better life had they not been on TV, which is just insanely not true. They're provided for and get to do a bunch of fun stuff. Kids dont have the concept of media that adults have, adults are hanging their shit on these kids that couldn't be less self concious in front of cameras.

I think a lot of it is resentment, that people arent happy with the success level in their lives and then they look at a woman who hustled a lot of success out of a huge disadvantage. People are actually mad at this woman for not aborting some of the kids, thats insane.

And now shes a reality TV villian, shes playing the exact role she needs to to continue to provide for her kids. She's willing to be publicly hated, it isn't because shes a famewhore, its because thats how she is most marketable. Some dude in the office complained about how much he cant stand her on dancing with the stars, and the week she got voted off he said "the wicked witch is dead" and the next week he said "I dont know, dancing with the stars just isn't keeping my interest now." Well why do you think that is, genius?

[sailor]

They're not saying that Israel has to disappear. They're saying that Israel needs to get out of lands promised to the Palestinians back in 1947 (lands that were seized and occupied since 1967).

The Jerusalem issue is a whole other can of worms...

Why were the lands taken?

[A.J.]

Why were the lands taken?

To the victor go the spoils. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#Conclusion_of_conflict_and_post-war_situation)

[fezident]

I have many unpopular opinions that I (almost) never share with the general public for fear of reprisal.

1)
I don't think human life is sacred. Especially that of a child. Not all children "have a smile that could light up a room". Some people/kids are stupid. They're assholes. If they die, they die. Not the good ones, mind you. But there ARE people who do and say stupid, mindless, thoughtless, (almost) evil things. And I fully believe that the world is a better place without them.


2)
I don't think every fireman is AUTOMATICALLY a "hero". This includes the ones that died on 9/11. Some are... but not all.


3)
I don't think drugs are evil. Nor do I think any less of the people that do them. Some guy wants to party his ass of on the weekend... he's not a reckless maniac. He's just a guy who likes to party. If his job/family is suffering from it, that's one thing. But "OMG, Bill Clinton smoked pot?!!" So what. "Obama used to do coke?!!" So what. Drugs are fine. Just don't be a dickhole when it comes down to driving or watching your children.

[sailor]

To the victor go the spoils. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#Conclusion_of_conflict_and_post-war_situation)


Exactly. So why should they expect the land back? Why would anyone think going the land back would end war there?

[A.J.]

I secretly agree with fezident.

[fezident]

Oh... and another thing...
... I don't think ambulances, doctors, and surgeons should provide any medical services for anybody who does any type of thrill seeking, dangerous, or death defying activity.

If someone is bungee jumping, and the cord breaks. The jumper should die.
If somebody is riding a motorcycle without a helmet, and he crashes... he should die.
If somebody does an ounce of cocaine and mixes it with heroin. He should die.


If somebody wants to tempt fate... let 'em. But they should die when/if it all goes south.

You wanna run with the bulls? Go ahead. Buy your plane ticket... go to fuckin' Spain... stand in front of the bull and yell and wave your arms in an effort to get it's attention. Have fun! BUT... when the bull spots you, chases you down that crowded street, and rips open your abdomen with it's crazy horns, you don't even deserve an alchohol swab... much less emergency medical treatment. You should be forced to lay there, hallucinating about your mother, and quietly bleed out in the street until the garbage truck comes through town at sunrise the next morning.

[Furtherman]

I like rollercoasters. If I'm hurt on one, I should not get medical treatment? After all, they are thrill seeking activity.

[A.J.]

I like rollercoasters. If I'm hurt on one, I should not get medical treatment? After all, they are thrill seeking activity.

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[Furtherman]

http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/5F08/031.jpg

Brav-O.

[fezident]

I like rollercoasters. If I'm hurt on one, I should not get medical treatment? After all, they are thrill seeking activity.

Nah... you're cool. You can live.

[sailor]

Nah... you're cool. You can live.


You pardon him?

[fezident]

Yes.

[oPant]

Essex

There are areas 3 blocks from Newark that aren't that bad. North Elizabeth has a decent neighborhood. There is a section of Newark, I think it's near Branchbrook park where there are some nice homes. I guess there are parts near Newark in Bloomfield that aren't that bad. Harrison isn't that bad also.

[Bowel]

African-Americans owe Europeans a great deal of gratitude for "civilizing" them. Just as the Europeans owe the Romans and Arabs (Mesopotamian) for "civilizing" them. Bastardized people should not be at fault for bastardizing others and CLEARLY AFRICA BENEFITED GREATLY FROM THE EUROPEANS. How many Europeans do you know complain about Rome colonizing them? And when Black Earl talks about the greatness "black culture," he's talking about the interpretation of other cultures (primarily European) by Africans.

Recently, a picture of children slaves were discovered and I was horrified by the comments by people that described as being a reminder of how bad Africans were treated not realizing that they were worse off in Africa.

Compare:

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http://www.yousaytoo.com/Kauser/african-vintage/12045

[terry-c]

I think Fezident is a moron.

[Serpico1103]

African-Americans owe Europeans a great deal of gratitude for "civilizing" them. Just as the Europeans owe the Romans and Arabs (Mesopotamian) for "civilizing" them. Bastardized people should not be at fault for bastardizing others and CLEARLY AFRICA BENEFITED GREATLY FROM THE EUROPEANS. How many Europeans do you know complain about Rome colonizing them? And when Black Earl talks about the greatness "black culture," he's talking about the interpretation of other cultures (primarily European) by Africans.

Recently, a picture of children slaves were discovered and I was horrified by the comments by people that described as being a reminder of how bad Africans were treated not realizing that they were worse off in Africa.

Compare:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100610/capt.edf9c9ebc02f4ab2a5bb79130057327a-edf9c9ebc02f4ab2a5bb79130057327a-0.jpghttp://www.ezakwantu.com/Venda%20-%20Duggan-Cronin-%20The%20BAVENDA%2011.jpg

http://www.yousaytoo.com/Kauser/african-vintage/12045




I'll assume you are joking.

[n0thng2bdone]

it's like, when you lease a car you beat the shit out of it (wage), but when you own a car you treat it better (slavery), amirite?

[ChimneyFish]

If somebody does an ounce of cocaine and mixes it with heroin. He should die.


What if he's just doing a line????

What if he's just trying to relax after work with a little shot of H????

[DonInNC]

it's like, when you lease a car you beat the shit out of it (wage), but when you own a car you treat it better (slavery), amirite?

Many historians have made a strong case for the idea that immigrants in the Northeast were treated as badly as, or even worse than, slaves in the South, somewhat for the reason you mention. That doesn't mean slavery was OK, it means that the wealthy are universally evil.

[ChimneyFish]

I blame the whites.

[oPant]

Many historians have made a strong case for the idea that immigrants in the Northeast were treated as badly as, or even worse than, slaves in the South, somewhat for the reason you mention. That doesn't mean slavery was OK, it means that the wealthy are universally evil.:thumbdown:

They were beaten, owned, sold, whipped, separated from family, and forced to work picking cotton from sun up to sundown?

[Serpico1103]

Many historians have made a weak case for the idea that immigrants in the Northeast were treated as badly as, or even worse than, slaves in the South, somewhat for the reason you mention. That doesn't mean slavery was OK, it means that the wealthy are universally evil.

Fixed.
Yes, some Europeans were treated poorly. But, did it last 400 years? Did it destroy cultures? Were the immigrants completely denied access to the law? It is not about how the individuals were treated. Slavery in America of blacks was not like any other kind of slavery and certainly can not be compared to how Irish, Italians, Poles, and other immigrants were treated when they first arrived.

[DonInNC]

My point was that the "slaves weren't mistreated because they were an investment" argument doesn't hold water because it is only half of the equation. Maybe I should have said "emphatic" rather than "strong". European immigrants certainly had a shorter path out of misery, mostly because they were more like those who were in power. Nevertheless, their daily lives were absolutely horrible.

[Serpico1103]

My point was that the "slaves weren't mistreated because they were an investment" argument doesn't hold water because it is only half of the equation. Maybe I should have said "emphatic" rather than "strong". European immigrants certainly had a shorter path out of misery, mostly because they were more like those who were in power. Nevertheless, their daily lives were absolutely horrible.

Yes, most immigrant groups ran into oppression and abuse , but it never reached the systematic, brutal, lasting level of black slavery.

[oPant]

Yes, most immigrant groups ran into oppression and abuse , but it never reached the systematic, brutal, lasting level of black slavery.

Slaves that had kids had nothing to look forward to, their kids were also slaves.

Immigrants can work hard and have kids that did well for themselves, and many did.

In all honesty it's incredibly ridiculous to compare the two.

[Serpico1103]

Slaves that had kids had nothing to look forward to, their kids were also slaves.

Immigrants can work hard and have kids that did well for themselves, and many did.

In all honesty it's incredibly ridiculous to compare the two.

WHITE GUILT! WHITE GUILT!

[torker]

Slaves that had kids had nothing to look forward to, their kids were also slaves.

Immigrants can work hard and have kids that did well for themselves, and many did.

In all honesty it's incredibly ridiculous to compare the two.


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[DonInNC]

Slaves that had kids had nothing to look forward to, their kids were also slaves.

Immigrants can work hard and have kids that did well for themselves, and many did.

In all honesty it's incredibly ridiculous to compare the two.

Why is it so ridiculous? Are we supposed to pretend that slavery was some weird "what the fuck was that all about" thing? That it couldn't have possibly been rooted in one of the prevailing features of our society- greed?

I agree that comparing the two in order to make light of slavery is inappropriate. But comparing and contrasting is an important element of analysis, and honest analysis is needed to ensure that something just as horrible won't happen again in the future.

[Bowel]

Fixed.
Yes, some Europeans were treated poorly. But, did it last 400 years? Did it destroy cultures? Were the immigrants completely denied access to the law? It is not about how the individuals were treated. Slavery in America of blacks was not like any other kind of slavery and certainly can not be compared to how Irish, Italians, Poles, and other immigrants were treated when they first arrived.



Wrong.


The Roman Republic destroyed the cultures of Western Europe. What are the indigenous cultures of Europe that isn't based on Grecian-Roman civilization? The Anglo-Saxons are still wondering what "Stone Henges" are? Slavery much worse for the Europeans under Roman rules.


But did the future generations of Europeans complain about being Romanized or did they build upon what their colonial masters taught them? I very rarely hear Europeans complain about the language Latinized, adoption of Mediterranean architecture, adoption of Roman legal system etc . Could the indigenous European people done better without being Romanized .... we'll never know. But without question, Most Europeans accept Roman culture as a great gift given to them.



There is no way African people can say that they were better off with their indigenous culture than being "Westernized." Slavery and the slave trade was part of the African culture before the Europeans arrived. And it's not as if the Europeans or Early Americans were morally superior than the Africans at the time.

In fact, it was the Europeans who wound up ending the African slave trade ... which again, long existed in Africa b Africans before the Europeans arrived. Moreover, it was the Europeans who taught the African people the concept Freedom and equality. Do you honestly believe that the indigenous people of African would have come up with that on their own? Do you really think Africans would have been better off without adopting British, French or American culture knowing what we know of African culture before the Europeans arrived.


What I'm saying again is that African people should look at colonization by Europe and America the same way the Europeans look at being colonized by Rome.

[StanUpshaw]

Wrong.


The Roman Republic destroyed the cultures of Western Europe. What are the indigenous cultures of Europe that isn't based on Grecian-Roman civilization? The Anglo-Saxons are still wondering what "Stone Henges" are?

There were some nerds and fat girls at my college who claimed to be druids, so I wouldn't say they were completely destroyed.

[ozzie]

I'm a non-church attending, somewhat atheist, with liberal views of politics and society living and working in one of the most bible-belted, FoxNews-watching, red/crimson necked areas of the country.

Most of the shit I post on here I have never spoken out loud to anyone. But, then again, there's topics even on this board that I avoid.

So, yeah... I've got more than a few "hidden opinions".

[dino_electropolis]

hitler is the poster child of the feminist movement.


With WWII, he single handedly took American woman out of the home and into the workplace.

If not for hitler, women would still know thier place (ie kitchen) and unemployment would be almost non existent.

Damn u hitler! Damn u indeed.

(obviously I'm kidding.....but not really)

[Serpico1103]

Wrong.
The Roman Republic destroyed the cultures of Western Europe. What are the indigenous cultures of Europe that isn't based on Grecian-Roman civilization? The Anglo-Saxons are still wondering what "Stone Henges" are? Slavery much worse for the Europeans under Roman rules.
But did the future generations of Europeans complain about being Romanized or did they build upon what their colonial masters taught them? I very rarely hear Europeans complain about the language Latinized, adoption of Mediterranean architecture, adoption of Roman legal system etc . Could the indigenous European people done better without being Romanized .... we'll never know. But without question, Most Europeans accept Roman culture as a great gift given to them.
There is no way African people can say that they were better off with their indigenous culture than being "Westernized." Slavery and the slave trade was part of the African culture before the Europeans arrived. And it's not as if the Europeans or Early Americans were morally superior than the Africans at the time.

In fact, it was the Europeans who wound up ending the African slave trade ... which again, long existed in Africa b Africans before the Europeans arrived. Moreover, it was the Europeans who taught the African people the concept Freedom and equality. Do you honestly believe that the indigenous people of African would have come up with that on their own? Do you really think Africans would have been better off without adopting British, French or American culture knowing what we know of African culture before the Europeans arrived.
What I'm saying again is that African people should look at colonization by Europe and America the same way the Europeans look at being colonized by Rome.

I was talking about European immigrants to America. Not different European civilizations conquering other civilizations. Slavery in Africa and in Europe was not the same model as in America. Both bad, but not the same.

To say Westernization is better is merely an opinion. Would you rather live on a farm, growing your own food, hunting game, going to sleep at dusk without the "luxuries" of modern society or would you prefer the stress of today with those luxuries. Are kids today happier with the conveniences of modern society?

[sailor]

So move to Africa if it's so great.

[Serpico1103]

So move to Africa if it's so great.

The tough penguin. So, it isn't a matter of opinion? Besides, my statement was based on an Africa not changed by European influence. So, without a time machine I can't move there.

Do you think Native Americans needed "civilization" to enjoy life better?

[Set Theorist]

myself, i have almost no empathy for people i don't know. this covers 9/11, katrina, the tsunami, gulf spill, et al.

This holds true for everyone. Anyone else is just acting. As a matter of fact, most people enjoy the sufferage of others and disasters like 911 actually excite them.

BTW, new to the board but been an R and F listener from the ron and fez dot com show on WNEW. Miss the hell out of that old theme song.

They may not be perfect; but R and F are by far the best thing on radio. I wish Earl and Dave were still around; but I'm confident they will find a new flow.

Death to bitter, balding guinea racists ; )

[Bowel]

I was talking about European immigrants to America. Not different European civilizations conquering other civilizations. Slavery in Africa and in Europe was not the same model as in America. Both bad, but not the same.


Is there some kind of innate kinship between the Romans and the "barbarians" to the North that makes slavery more palatable than Europeans using Africans as slaves? Were the early Americans morally superior to the Africans and thus should have known to not accept the African practice of slavery?


I'm in no way suggesting that the benefits of American Civilization justifies slavery and cultural "genocide" for people of African decent but at a certain point, African Americans should realize that they are better off adopting "Western" culture rather than their own.




To say Westernization is better is merely an opinion. Would you rather live on a farm, growing your own food, hunting game, going to sleep at dusk without the "luxuries" of modern society or would you prefer the stress of today with those luxuries. Are kids today happier with the conveniences of modern society?


"Western" civilization isn't material "luxuries." Here's a definition from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world):

The term "Western culture" is used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, religious beliefs, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies.




The entire concept of individualism, freedom and equality among all human beings is a Western ideology which was given to the Africans. African Civilization before the arrival of Europeans was completely backwards.

Indian or East Asian Civilizations have valid arguments in terms of philosophical beliefs when compared to Western Civilization but there is no indication that African Civilization at the times the Europeans arrived in Africa was anything close to being productive philosophically, politically and socially.

[Serpico1103]

I'm in no way suggesting that the benefits of American Civilization justifies slavery and cultural "genocide" for people of African decent but at a certain point, African Americans should realize that they are better off adopting "Western" culture rather than their own.


Why? What would Africa have been today if Europe acted morally when they interacted with Africa?

"Western" civilization isn't material "luxuries." Here's a definition from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world):
The term "Western culture" is used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, religious beliefs, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies.

Do any of those things make you happy? If you are in a vacuum what culture is better?


?

[Dude!]

american indians
had it much worse
than african slaves

[Bowel]

Why? What would Africa have been today if Europe acted morally when they interacted with Africa?


How do you define "morals" at the time? From a Western perspective or an African perspective.


From an African perspective, the slave trade was part of African culture. Many people in Africa were seen as commodities according to African values. The values of the Europeans at the time were no different ... the European merchant class weren't exactly any better than the Africans. But there was a political and idealogical movement cercerning individual liberty and freedom in Europe that didn't exist in Africa at all. You can't take these ideas and values as being natural or innate. You can't take the Western concept of "freedom" for granted. If it wasn't for "Western" morals, the Africans would have never know that slavery was "immoral."


Do any of those things make you happy? If you are in a vacuum what culture is better?


Absolutely. I'm happy for the scientific development that occurred in the West ... the economic systems and theories that allows people to a multitude of choices of "work" rather than limiting it to a few occupations. Philosophically, I tend to skew more East Asian than Western. Theres nothing that prevents any American from living a hunting and gathering lifestyle. One could become a Quaker or live in a commune.


But without question, Africans benefited from colonization by the Europeans. Most of the things African-Americans are proud of (such as music, fashion and cuisine) are European in origin.

If there was anything about indigenous African cultures or values that are better than other major cultures then African-Americans are more than encourage to add traditional African values to the world.

[Serpico1103]

How do you define "morals" at the time? From a Western perspective or an African perspective.
Either.

From an African perspective, the slave trade was part of African culture. Many people in Africa were seen as commodities according to African values. The values of the Europeans at the time were no different ... the European merchant class weren't exactly any better than the Africans. But there was a political and idealogical movement cercerning individual liberty and freedom in Europe that didn't exist in Africa at all. You can't take these ideas and values as being natural or innate. You can't take the Western concept of "freedom" for granted. If it wasn't for "Western" morals, the Africans would have never know that slavery was "immoral."


:help:White Guilt!

[Bowel]

People of African descent can reject "Western" culture and values (or any other culture for that matter) and carry on the culture and values of the African people. African civilization still exists and can be brought back to its glory.


I can definitely see this as a growing movement among people of African descent. FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION 4 LIFE!!!!!!

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[TripleSkeet]

Im pretty outspoken with my opinions. I guess its because my friends already know what to expect from me and I really dont care if others like me or not.

But one that usually causes an argument is this...

I respect the US soldiers and the work they do overseas and all, but I just dont buy the whole "They are fighting for my freedom" bullshit. My freedom is here. Its not going anywhere. Nothing that Iraq or Afghanistan is doing can take my freedoms away. The only people that can do that is my own government. And regardless of what foreign countries do, if they want to, they will take it away anyway.

If every soldier was pulled out of Iraq, Afghanistan or any other enemy country tomorrow, it wouldnt effect our freedoms one way or another. No countries are trying to invade us and take our country away. No soldiers have truly fought for our freedom since WW2.

Its a job. Thats all it is. Its a very dangerous job and I give them credit for having the balls to do it. But dont act like youre doing it for me. Thats just government brainwashing shit that easily manipulated teens fall for. Your doing it because you get paid to. I dont have any more respect for the US soldier then I do to the guys that fish for crabs on Deadliest Catch. Its a tough job that you are volunteering for and getting paid to do so. Leave me out of it.

[Furtherman]

Im pretty outspoken with my opinions. I guess its because my friends already know what to expect from me and I really dont care if others like me or not.

But one that usually causes an argument is this...

I respect the US soldiers and the work they do overseas and all, but I just dont buy the whole "They are fighting for my freedom" bullshit. My freedom is here. Its not going anywhere. Nothing that Iraq or Afghanistan is doing can take my freedoms away. The only people that can do that is my own government. And regardless of what foreign countries do, if they want to, they will take it away anyway.

If every soldier was pulled out of Iraq, Afghanistan or any other enemy country tomorrow, it wouldnt effect our freedoms one way or another. No countries are trying to invade us and take our country away. No soldiers have truly fought for our freedom since WW2.

Its a job. Thats all it is. Its a very dangerous job and I give them credit for having the balls to do it. But dont act like youre doing it for me. Thats just government brainwashing shit that easily manipulated teens fall for. Your doing it because you get paid to. I dont have any more respect for the US soldier then I do to the guys that fish for crabs on Deadliest Catch. Its a tough job that you are volunteering for and getting paid to do so. Leave me out of it.

I kinda agree with this. But that's why it's a hidden opinion. Wouldn't want to rip the blanket of security people believe they have.

[torker]

Tattos & Autism.

[StanUpshaw]

Entitlement & Rape.

[A.J.]

No countries are trying to invade us and take our country away.

Mexico is.

[fezident]

Im pretty outspoken with my opinions. I guess its because my friends already know what to expect from me and I really dont care if others like me or not.

But one that usually causes an argument is this...

I respect the US soldiers and the work they do overseas and all, but I just dont buy the whole "They are fighting for my freedom" bullshit. My freedom is here. Its not going anywhere. Nothing that Iraq or Afghanistan is doing can take my freedoms away. The only people that can do that is my own government. And regardless of what foreign countries do, if they want to, they will take it away anyway.

If every soldier was pulled out of Iraq, Afghanistan or any other enemy country tomorrow, it wouldnt effect our freedoms one way or another. No countries are trying to invade us and take our country away. No soldiers have truly fought for our freedom since WW2.

Its a job. Thats all it is. Its a very dangerous job and I give them credit for having the balls to do it. But dont act like youre doing it for me. Thats just government brainwashing shit that easily manipulated teens fall for. Your doing it because you get paid to. I dont have any more respect for the US soldier then I do to the guys that fish for crabs on Deadliest Catch. Its a tough job that you are volunteering for and getting paid to do so. Leave me out of it.

Truth.

[oPant]

So move to Africa if it's so great.

Why don't you marry it? :rolleyes:

[TripleSkeet]

Mexico is.

I didnt know they were trying to take our country, just our shitty jobs.

[A.J.]

I didnt know they were trying to take our country, just our shitty jobs.

All that legal/illegal immigration in the Southwest, it might as well be Mexico.