Why isn't there a General McChrystal insubordination thread yet?

[Dude!]

you gay-lefties always love
your whistleblowers

how about this time?

i am consistent..
his insubordination is unacceptable
and he should be canned
regardless of the consequences

that being said
i'm sure he speaks the truth

[booster11373]

Its a liberal conspiracy we all got together and decided not to comment

[Jujubees2]

Its a liberal conspiracy we all got together and decided not to comment

Dammit Booster you weren't supposed to tell Dude. Whatever you do, don't tell him that secret about the gulf oil spill...

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't understand your point Dude.

[Willmore]

Stanley McChrystal is a prissy little asshole, there I said it.

The president didn't give him more than 10 minutes of his time when they met and now he's pissed off and badmouthing the VP, the Ambassador to Afghanistan, the Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, the President himself, etc. etc.

He is a 4 star general, human diplomacy and politics is part of his fucking job.

Now, he might be a good general, in fact, he could make a great USSOCOM commander, but in his position as ISAF commander you don't need a Sherman or a Patton, you need an Omar Bradley.

[Furtherman]

you need an Omar

Damn right.

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[Willmore]

Damn right.

http://1morefilmblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wire1.jpg

He could do it too, if only they repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell.

[Serpico1103]

you gay-lefties always love
your whistleblowers


The right doesn't admire people standing up to do what is right, regardless of personal consequences?
Thanks for admitting that.

[Dude!]

The right doesn't admire people standing up to do what is right, regardless of personal consequences?
Thanks for admitting that.

so you are standing up
for McChrystal
and agree with him
that Obama is incompetent?

Thanks for admitting that.

[Serpico1103]

so you are standing up for McChrystal and agree with him that Obama is incompetent? Thanks for admitting that.

Where did you see anything that comes close to me saying that?
Also, not sure McChrystal is a whisteblower.

[Dude!]

W
Also, not sure McChrystal is a whisteblower.

when you blow the whistle
on your boss or your organization
you are a whistleblower

[razorboy]

I'm thinking of forming a doo-wop act called Lefty Gay and the Whistleblowers.

[A.J.]

when you blow the whistle
on your boss or your organization
you are a whistleblower

McChrystal blew persuasion?

[Serpico1103]

when you blow the whistle on your boss or your organization you are a whistleblower

Oh, I didn't hear the whistle.

When you "blow the whistle", it has to be more than just your opinion. Saying my boss is a lazy cunt is not whistleblowing. Exposing my boss' malfeasance is whistleblowing. See the difference?

[Hottub]

McChrystal blew persuasion?

:thumbup:

[Barnaby Jones]

I love his burgers! Fuck White Castle!

[Dude!]

McChrystal blew persuasion?

Ha!

[foodcourtdruide]

Oh, I didn't hear the whistle.

When you "blow the whistle", it has to be more than just your opinion. Saying my boss is a lazy cunt is not whistleblowing. Exposing my boss' malfeasance is whistleblowing. See the difference?

Now I understand why I didn't understand what Dude!s point was. Here's the definition from m-w.com:

one who reveals something covert or who informs against another

[Pitdoc]

Apparently the journalist was going to be with him for one day.Then the Iceland volcano went off, and he was cooped up with the General and his aides for TEN days, on a bus, with the booze flowing..Hijinks ensued...

[Serpico1103]

Apparently the journalist was going to be with him for one day.Then the Iceland volcano went off, and he was cooped up with the General and his aides for TEN days, on a bus, with the booze flowing..Hijinks ensued...

General couldn't keep his mouth shut while stuck in a Ritz Carlton for a week. Wonder how he would under more strenuous interrogation techniques.

[Willmore]

Apparently the journalist was going to be with him for one day.Then the Iceland volcano went off, and he was cooped up with the General and his aides for TEN days, on a bus, with the booze flowing..Hijinks ensued...

Road Trip movie.

Hollywood execs are salivating.

A badass former special forces general (Colonel Kurtz type)
A hippie Rolling Stones reporter (see older Jeff Spicoli)
1 bus, 10 days, 10 cases of Jack Daniels and a trip to the middle of nowhere.
You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll fall in love with these crazy, lovable characters. A film for the whole family.

[Furtherman]

Coming up next on conservative radio, we'll tell you how you can order your "McChrystal for President" t-shirts!

[foodcourtdruide]

Still waiting for Dude! to explain how McChrystal is a whistleblower.

[Barnaby Jones]

Coming up next on conservative radio, we'll tell you how you can order your "McChrystal for President" t-shirts!

I thought most of the media outlets, Left and Right, were pretty united in their condemnation of this guy!

It's definitely a tricky spot for Obama with the projected scale down of our involvement in Afghanistan. Bringing in a new commander could bring along a whole host of new problems as well! Sounds like this guy should have gotten the boot a while ago!

[Syd]

I thought most of the media outlets, Left and Right, were pretty united in their condemnation of this guy!

It's definitely a tricky spot for Obama with the projected scale down of our involvement in Afghanistan. Bringing in a new commander could bring along a whole host of new problems as well! Sounds like this guy should have gotten the boot a while ago!

Yeah, but a lot of people thought he was brilliant. All he did really was copy what the Italians were doing, employ that strategy on a wider scale and take credit for the success.

Meanwhile, appeasement isn't lasting when the government has stability issues and the Western press is doing its damnedest to make Karzai look like a fool.

[Willmore]

Yeah, but a lot of people thought he was brilliant. All he did really was copy what the Italians were doing, employ that strategy on a wider scale and take credit for the success.

Meanwhile, appeasement isn't lasting when the government has stability issues and the Western press is doing its damnedest to make Karzai look like a fool.

1. I think that McChrystal isn't a bad general, but this is the wrong job for him. This is a job more for a guy like Stavridis, who has a PhD in International Relations.
2. That said, when the only person defending you is Hamid Karzai, something's fucked up.
3. Gerardless, you can't dump McChrystal, that will alienate a large portion of military and that's not something that Obama can afford. What you do is give him a light reprimand and move him out of the job in the next few months via a promotion to USSOCOM or some other position that doesn't require him to be a diplomat.

[Syd]

I don't think the people on the ground like him enough that they'll be all bummed to see him gone. Afghanistan has stagnated and regressed lately and still is an un-winnable war. At least replacing McChrystal lets someone become the scapegoat when the US inevitably leaves the country.

and to address 1: yeah, he's a brilliant guy but not at this level. He was the only person to try to break from the habit of empires going into Afghanistan and trying to quell the locals through violence. However, the job is far more playing for political favors and administrative work which is best left to someone who has more potent political prowess. (alliteration is the best)

[sailor]

AP says he's gone. Seems foolish to me.

Petraeus taking over.

[Furtherman]

AP says he's gone. Seems foolish to me.

Petraeus taking over.

He was foolish. In the armed forces, questioning your commander's orders, publicly, and you're in the shit. I don't know what kind of general he was, but even the lowest grunt knows not to do that.

[A.J.]

"YOU'RE FIRED!"

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[Willmore]

Petreus is probably the best possible general to take over, but it's a demotion for him. He was already the USCENTCOM commander - responsible for Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the middle east theater of operations.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Meet the new Boss

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[Serpico1103]

Still waiting for Dude! to explain how McChrystal is a whistleblower.

Get comfortable.

[Dude!]

Petreus is probably the best possible general to take over, but it's a demotion for him. He was already the USCENTCOM commander - responsible for Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the middle east theater of operations.

it's not a demotion...
more like a 'special assignment'
to take over a critical situation
under extraordinary circumstances

[Jujubees2]

AP says he's gone. Seems foolish to me.

Petraeus taking over.

The President shouldn't have accepted his resignation. He should have busted him to private and put him on KP duty!

[Serpico1103]

it's not a demotion...
more like a 'special assignment'
to take over a critical situation
under extraordinary circumstances

I wonder, will McChrystal will sue under the whistleblower statute?

[Syd]

The President shouldn't have accepted his resignation. He should have busted him to private and put him on KP duty!

That isn't how the military works. If you're insubordinate, you're going to see retribution publicly.

[torker]

it's not a demotion...
more like a 'special assignment'
to take over a critical situation
under extraordinary circumstances

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[hanso]

Hippie needs to put down the rock pipe.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Waiting for Moveon.org to come out with the General Betray us full page ad. Oh I forgot BHO appointed him commander of Afghananistan theater of ops. Back in '07 Petraeus was hugely criticized by Obama.

So who becomes CentCom commander? Even though its not a demotion, He still has his 4 stars it is more like a step down for him

[A.J.]

So who becomes CentCom commander? Even though its not a demotion, He still has his 4 stars it is more like a step down for him

It could be the Deputy Commander of CENTCOM: Lieutenant General John R. Allen, USMC.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It could be the Deputy Commander of CENTCOM: Lieutenant General John R. Allen, USMC.

I assume he would have to be promoted to General. Kind of hard for Petraeus to have to answer to someone with less seniority

[A.J.]

I assume he would have to be promoted to General. Kind of hard for Petraeus to have to answer to someone with less seniority

Yep.

[Willmore]

It could be the Deputy Commander of CENTCOM: Lieutenant General John R. Allen, USMC.

I don't think that can happen. USMC has a statutory limit on the number of 4-star officers they can have. They can have 3 and 2 of those are the Commandant and the Assistant Commandant. The third is James Mattis, and unless he retires, John Allen isn't getting promoted.

edit:

Actually, never mind, that can happen, Mattis is being replaced by Odierno.

[A.J.]

I don't think that can happen. USMC has a statutory limit on the number of 4-star officers they can have. They can have 3 and 2 of those are the Commandant and the Assistant Commandant. The third is James Mattis, and unless he retires, John Allen isn't getting promoted.

You're right -- I forgot about that. But summer is a time for retirements: maybe the Assistant Commandant or something like that.

[A.J.]

So who becomes CentCom commander? Even though its not a demotion, He still has his 4 stars it is more like a step down for him

It could be the Deputy Commander of CENTCOM: Lieutenant General John R. Allen, USMC.

I don't think that can happen. USMC has a statutory limit on the number of 4-star officers they can have. They can have 3 and 2 of those are the Commandant and the Assistant Commandant. The third is James Mattis, and unless he retires, John Allen isn't getting promoted.

edit:

Actually, never mind, that can happen, Mattis is being replaced by Odierno.


And the winner is Mattis. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/07/201078233717799692.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And the winner is Mattis. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/07/201078233717799692.html)

'it's fun to shoot some people' ... Gen Mattis

Nobody better screw up now