Dissatisfying verdict justifies looting rampage in California [Archive]

CaptainBlowhole

07-09-2010, 01:33 PM

LINK (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66763A20100709)

A group of people who are dissatisfied with the verdict of a cop who shot and killed a man on a subway train last year, took their revenge on many local stores, smashing windows and taking items that do not belong to them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSTRE66763A20100709#a=2

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20100709&t=2&i=150164081&w=300&fh=300&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2010-07-09T085214Z_01_BTRE6680ON900_RTROPTP_0_SHOOTING-CALIFORNIA

Cops in riot gear attempt to restore order after the verdict of involuntary manslaughter was declared for the transit cop who shot a killed a man on a subway train.

WRESTLINGFAN

07-09-2010, 01:57 PM

Fucking Savage animals

Were whites acting like barbarians when O J was found not guilty?

dereckfishboy

07-09-2010, 02:12 PM

Apparently the concept of peaceful, organized dissent is lost on some people

Furtherman

07-09-2010, 02:20 PM

Just be glad it was involuntary manslaughter. That gets at least a looting. If it was not guilty, it would have been an all out riot with a good dose of mayhem.

pennington

07-09-2010, 03:11 PM

Gee, you never hear stories like this happening in Salt Lake City, UT or Bismarck, ND.

Syd

07-09-2010, 03:13 PM

it was the blacks

well, the black bloc (group of anarchists who go to stir shit up, occasionally there are cops who dress as block bloc to stir shit up to encourage people to do the same)

WRESTLINGFAN

07-09-2010, 03:14 PM

Gee, you never hear stories like this happening in Salt Lake City, UT or Bismarck, ND.

it's Oakland!! Kind of expected

Dudeman

07-09-2010, 03:14 PM

Dudeman

07-09-2010, 03:16 PM

skip to one minute into the video above to see the shooting

Syd

07-09-2010, 03:18 PM

skip to one minute into the video above to see the shooting

it wasn't a shooting, it was a murder

call a spade a spade, even if it has a bullet hole in it

WRESTLINGFAN

07-09-2010, 05:43 PM

Mad at a verdict, destroy someone elses property. Real smart.

Snoogans

07-09-2010, 05:57 PM

i didnt read the posts. How exactly does that justify looting?

You mean it caused looting?

brettmojo

07-09-2010, 07:57 PM

Apparently the concept of peaceful, organized dissent is lost on THOSE people
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn120/Juno_Beach/gifs/thats_racist.gif

Chigworthy

07-09-2010, 08:12 PM

it wasn't a shooting, it was a murder

call a spade a spade, even if it has a bullet hole in it

Murder requires malice aforethought; intent to kill. The audio played in the courtroom of Mehserle saying that he is going to tase Grant, coupled with Mehserle's reaction after shooting, points to a serious mistake on his part. Involuntary Manslaughter was the correct verdict for the jury to reach.

But there would have been riots if Mehserle had been executed in the courtroom. The same community rioted and looted after the incident happened, before any trial or anything. Oakland stinks.

StanUpshaw

07-09-2010, 08:48 PM

Please supply some proof of the unique "riot gene" that you purport black people have.

Fucking racist assholes tonight.

SatCam

07-09-2010, 08:52 PM

welcome to oakland, bitch

http://www.debateitout.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dave-chappelle.jpg

Devo37

07-09-2010, 09:03 PM

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20100709&t=2&i=150164081&w=300&fh=300&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2010-07-09T085214Z_01_BTRE6680ON900_RTROPTP_0_SHOOTING-CALIFORNIA

i hope he looted a tighter belt!

Syd

07-09-2010, 09:08 PM

Murder requires malice aforethought; intent to kill. The audio played in the courtroom of Mehserle saying that he is going to tase Grant, coupled with Mehserle's reaction after shooting, points to a serious mistake on his part. Involuntary Manslaughter was the correct verdict for the jury to reach.

He still intended to injure someone who was pretty clearly subdued from the videos. I'd consider it an attempt to cause grave injury. Tasers aren't some perfectly safe weapon -- they have killed people and will continue killing people. They cause heart attacks and similar issues. On top of that, when someone is restrained like that there's extra cardiovascular stress. There's a great article on Cato about taser deaths and how surprisingly enough shooting someone in the chest and fucking up their heart rhythm isn't safe. I think I remember them whitewashing the study pretty heavily to downplay the role of drugs in the deaths but I can't find it and their find.cato.org site is down....i'll try to dig it up later but this was the study it was based on, but with a bit of extrapolation involved: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10903120600884863

http://www.ipicd.com/docs/Stroteacep05.pdf generic link if you don't have access to the site or don't want to pay

The cop is a fucking scumbag and so are the black bloc'ers for starting the bullshit anarchy riots.

Chigworthy

07-09-2010, 09:32 PM

He still intended to injure someone who was pretty clearly subdued from the videos. I'd consider it an attempt to cause grave injury. Tasers aren't some perfectly safe weapon -- they have killed people and will continue killing people. They cause heart attacks and similar issues. On top of that, when someone is restrained like that there's extra cardiovascular stress. There's a great article on Cato about taser deaths and how surprisingly enough shooting someone in the chest and fucking up their heart rhythm isn't safe. I think I remember them whitewashing the study pretty heavily to downplay the role of drugs in the deaths but I can't find it and their find.cato.org site is down....i'll try to dig it up later but this was the study it was based on, but with a bit of extrapolation involved: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10903120600884863

http://www.ipicd.com/docs/Stroteacep05.pdf generic link if you don't have access to the site or don't want to pay

The cop is a fucking scumbag and so are the black bloc'ers for starting the bullshit anarchy riots.

At least you admitted you were wrong about the murder thing. Where is your proof that police officers dressed in ninja costumes and started the riots?

NewYorkDragons80

07-10-2010, 12:46 AM

At least you admitted you were wrong about the murder thing. Where is your proof that police officers dressed in ninja costumes and started the riots?

http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/lionel-hutz-attorney-at-law_100182229_s.jpg

There's hearsay and conjecture. Those are *kinds* of evidence...

sailor

07-10-2010, 03:17 AM

i didnt read the posts. How exactly does that justify looting?

You mean it caused looting?

yeah, i think he was being sarcastic on the "justifies" part.

Syd

07-10-2010, 07:13 AM

At least you admitted you were wrong about the murder thing. Where is your proof that police officers dressed in ninja costumes and started the riots?

It's still murder to me, chump. I never said it wasn't murder, you decided I did. Tasers aren't "safe" especially when someone is restrained, nor is it necessary to use one when someone is subdued like that. The officer intended to cause grave injury, even if he was ignorant. Do you understand how that is closer to murder than manslaughter? Probably not, you seem to have an authority fetish.

Now to address the rest of your lil' response:

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=19928&context=va

Cops have done this in the past, systemically, and it's reasonable to assume they'll do this in the future.

Chigworthy

07-10-2010, 04:11 PM

It's still murder to me, chump. I never said it wasn't murder, you decided I did. Tasers aren't "safe" especially when someone is restrained, nor is it necessary to use one when someone is subdued like that. The officer intended to cause grave injury, even if he was ignorant. Do you understand how that is closer to murder than manslaughter? Probably not, you seem to have an authority fetish.

Now to address the rest of your lil' response:

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=19928&context=va

Cops have done this in the past, systemically, and it's reasonable to assume they'll do this in the future.

You're angry. You can redefine words all you want, but the legal definition of murder is clear.

And you can't be serious with that link. Do you really think that Canadian police came down to Oakland and caused the riots? It's not even the same country. Not that the link proves that Canadian police did any secret ops to start riots. It just shows pictures of rioters wearing black clothing and "combat boots" (in one picture, the "boots" don't even go over the rioters ankle), and extrapolates that they must be police officers in disguise because of their healthy physique.

Dudeman

07-10-2010, 04:32 PM

welcome to oakland, bitch

http://www.debateitout.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dave-chappelle.jpg

Actually, the local news in the bay area is saying that 75% of those arrested were from outside oakland, there were groups of oakland youths taunting those who came from outside trying to cause problems, and there were alot of community leader who met with people in oakland preemptively to keep the rioting, etc to a minimum.

dereckfishboy

07-10-2010, 04:42 PM

And you can't be serious with that link. Do you really think that Canadian police came down to Oakland and caused the riots? It's not even the same country..

Yeah, no shit. That's stretching pretty far to prove a point. So if a cop in Nepal sells a girl to a sex ring are you going to call cops slavers?

Syd

07-10-2010, 04:52 PM

And you can't be serious with that link. Do you really think that Canadian police came down to Oakland and caused the riots? It's not even the same country. Not that the link proves that Canadian police did any secret ops to start riots. It just shows pictures of rioters wearing black clothing and "combat boots" (in one picture, the "boots" don't even go over the rioters ankle), and extrapolates that they must be police officers in disguise because of their healthy physique.

Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest

Protest organizers on Wednesday played the video for the media at a news conference in Ottawa. One of the organizers, union leader Dave Coles, explained that one reason protesters knew the men's true identities was because they were wearing the same boots as other police officers.

Coles said on Wednesday that the only thing he didn't know was whether the men were Quebec police, RCMP or hired security officers.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html#ixzz0tKWOC7T3

Cops abuse their power left and right, it isn't a leap of faith to say that the Quebec police are the only police force-née-paramilitary using these tactics.

Syd

07-10-2010, 04:55 PM

You're angry. You can redefine words all you want, but the legal definition of murder is clear.

I have a different interpretation of how gross Mehserle's negligence was. It's akin to throwing something off the top of the building -- it might not kill someone, but you have some malice aforethought and you have to know that serious injury will occur. It's not redefining words, it's having a different interpretation of the negligence in the case. To me, having someone in a prone position with several others holding the person down is reason enough to say "the dude is subdued". I'm not nearly authoritarian-loving enough to give them a pass on using any weapon in that case, which I guess is the disagreement we're so upset at each other over.

dereckfishboy

07-10-2010, 05:00 PM

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html#ixzz0tKWOC7T3

Cops abuse their power left and right, it isn't a leap of faith to say that the Quebec police are the only police force-née-paramilitary using these tactics.

It's also not something you're not backing up. You're pointing at another fucking country and saying "See what they did!", that's a completely different situation and proof of nothing in this particular one.

StanUpshaw

07-10-2010, 05:09 PM

Remember what I said, cuz I'm a hip hopper,
Yeah! The cops pose as black bloc'ers.

Syd

07-10-2010, 05:18 PM

It's also not something you're not backing up. You're pointing at another fucking country and saying "See what they did!", that's a completely different situation and proof of nothing in this particular one.

yeah it is pure speculation but when only 25% of the protesters arrested were from Oakland, it is obvious there was outside help to incite violence (http://sfist.com/2010/07/09/78_protesters_arrested_after_verdic.php)

There was outside help in inciting the riot, and for me I wouldn't put it past the local police to encourage the riot to violence in order to marginalize it for the media.

StanUpshaw

07-10-2010, 05:29 PM

Without proof, you're no better than hanso.

Syd

07-10-2010, 05:35 PM

you cut me to the quick

dereckfishboy

07-10-2010, 05:37 PM

yeah it is pure speculation but when only 25% of the protesters arrested were from Oakland, it is obvious there was outside help to incite violence (http://sfist.com/2010/07/09/78_protesters_arrested_after_verdic.php)

There was outside help in inciting the riot, and for me I wouldn't put it past the local police to encourage the riot to violence in order to marginalize it for the media.

The rioters are scumbags either way, by the way

sailor

07-10-2010, 05:45 PM

You're angry. You can redefine words all you want, but the legal definition of murder is clear.

And you can't be serious with that link. Do you really think that Canadian police came down to Oakland and caused the riots? It's not even the same country. Not that the link proves that Canadian police did any secret ops to start riots. It just shows pictures of rioters wearing black clothing and "combat boots" (in one picture, the "boots" don't even go over the rioters ankle), and extrapolates that they must be police officers in disguise because of their healthy physique.

it's pretty well accepted what happened in canada was by police operatives. there's video of it in some other thread around here. i believe they were throwing rocks and the other protesters were saying they were not with them and trying to unmask them, then the regular cops basically arrested them to protect them, unless i'm thinking of something totally different.

Syd

07-10-2010, 05:54 PM

The rioters are scumbags either way, by the way

absolutely, I'm not excusing anyone's behavior. If you have a beef with the police and want to riot, go fuck up the police station. The dudes selling shoes and whatever shops got raided had nothing to do with it. It does make it look like the people are mindless animals who can't control their emotions.

Chigworthy

07-10-2010, 06:29 PM

absolutely, I'm not excusing anyone's behavior. If you have a beef with the police and want to riot, go fuck up the police station. The dudes selling shoes and whatever shops got raided had nothing to do with it. It does make it look like the people are mindless animals who can't control their emotions.

Why would we fuck up our own station during the prot.....oops. Dammit!