Chelsea Clinton's Wedding

[CaptainBlowhole]

Why have we, as a culture, started to treat and regard Presidents and former Presidents and their families as if they are royalty and worthy of our public attention like the spectacle of Chelsea Clinton's wedding? Is it because of HER or because of who was going to the wedding? Maybe I have been under a rock, but how long has this been going on? Or, is it a slow news week or something? The coverage is mind boggling.

http://a323.yahoofs.com/phugc/6xvAYGzt2jiK/photos/4df8c1d4114440a580a59240ef686742/mr_88ff1925e1dfa2.jpg?ug_____D3c7UM2va

[StanUpshaw]

We had a family dinner yesterday and my aunt and grandma were gabbing about this and I really wanted to strangle the both of them.

[pennington]

Didn't one of Bush's daughters get married quietly and with dignity? This obsession of the Clintons to draw attention to themselves is fatiguing.

I'm waiting for the day Chelsea moves to an odd place and then decides to run for Congress (not because she wants to, of course, but because "everybody" is urging her to).

[Bob Impact]

The only interest I have in this wedding is the fact that she had it in my favorite little "i'm going to go hide in the woods" vacation town, I'm sure it's ruined now.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Didn't one of Bush's daughters get married quietly and with dignity? This obsession of the Clintons to draw attention to themselves is fatiguing.

I'm waiting for the day Chelsea moves to an odd place and then decides to run for Congress (not because she wants to, of course, but because "everybody" is urging her to).

The Clintons have always been the darlings of the Media. The Bush family... not so much.

[sailor]

It's a celebrity driven culture, this should not surprise anyone.

[hanso]

Lot of angus burgers sereved up.

[hanso]

served even

[razorboy]

Didn't one of Bush's daughters get married quietly and with dignity? This obsession of the Clintons to draw attention to themselves is fatiguing.

There was hardly time to cover Jenna's wedding. She was too busy doing the press junket for her stupid book.

[A.J.]

We'll get the same thing with Sasha and Malia Obama someday.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The wedding cost btwn 3-5million

Its their money and they can spend it however they want, however when the clintons lecture us about greed its the height of hypocrisy. They talk about class warfare etc but theyre the ones who spent all this money on a wedding and now are buying a 9 million dollar mansion in Bedford. I guess Chappaqua wasn't lilywhite enough for them

[Dude!]

The wedding cost btwn 3-5million

Its their money and they can spend it however they want, however when the clintons lecture us about greed its the height of hypocrisy. They talk about class warfare etc but theyre the ones who spent all this money on a wedding and now are buying a 9 million dollar mansion in Bedford. I guess Chappaqua wasn't lilywhite enough for them

ain't that the truth
the liberal whites who
squawk most about civil rights
choose the whitest places to live

[A.J.]

The wedding cost btwn 3-5million

Its their money and they can spend it however they want, however when the clintons lecture us about greed its the height of hypocrisy. They talk about class warfare etc but theyre the ones who spent all this money on a wedding and now are buying a 9 million dollar mansion in Bedford. I guess Chappaqua wasn't lilywhite enough for them

Don't forget their DC house which is off of Embassy Row (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3067-Whitehaven-St-NW-Washington-DC-20008/68084274_zpid/). I actually lived not too far from it.

http://www.zillowstatic.com/static/images/famoushomes/presidents/ClintonDC.jpg

[sailor]

Don't forget their DC house which is off of Embassy Row in DC (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3067-Whitehaven-St-NW-Washington-DC-20008/68084274_zpid/). I actually lived not too far from it.

http://www.zillowstatic.com/static/images/famoushomes/presidents/ClintonDC.jpg


Their DC house in DC?

[A.J.]

Their DC house in DC?

Oops. I missed that cut and paste.

[Kevin]

ain't that the truth
the liberal whites who
squawk most about civil rights
choose the whitest places to live



Yea...

Your argument would be valid if you actualy pay attention insted of fox news-ing it and spouting garbage..

You realize that Clinton opened up his office smackdown in the middle of Harlem, last time i checked... Not alot of whites there.

And if you have money, aren't you going to live in the best of area's?

Good work Cletus.

[sailor]

He doesn't live there. And interesting you're saying all-white = best, racist.

[A.J.]

And if you have money, aren't you going to live in the best of area's?


Which, let's be honest, are going to be majority white.

I remember when the Clintons campaigned in 1992, they were making a big deal about public schools. People in DC were hoping that they'd send Chelsea to one of DC's public schools. So where did Chelsea end up going? Sidwell Friends: an elite private school in one of the more well-to-do parts of DC. There was a "controversy" about that for about 5 minutes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea...

Your argument would be valid if you actualy pay attention insted of fox news-ing it and spouting garbage..

You realize that Clinton opened up his office smackdown in the middle of Harlem, last time i checked... Not alot of whites there.

And if you have money, aren't you going to live in the best of area's?

Good work Cletus.

Harlem is getting more vanilla. People who cant afford to live in Midtown, Gramercy park or triBeca , which include a lot of white professionals are living in Harlem. I feel safe on 125th St walking from the #4 train to Metro north from the Yankees game. Within the last 10 years or so Harlem, while its not Scarsdale has improved a lot.

[Kevin]

Do you realize Harlem is getting more vanilla. People who cant afford to live in Midtown, Gramercy park or triBeca , which include a lot of white professionals are living in Harlem. I feel safe on 125th St walking from the #4 train to Metro north from the Yankees game. Within the last 10 years or so Harlem, while its not Scarsdale has improved a lot.



He moved there when it was iffy at best.

I'm not saying that the wedding wasnt too much..

But its their only kid and they wanted to give her a great wedding.

Chelsea was never in the spotlight, never seeked attention.

Never went with this attention grabbing celeb or that one.

Let her have her day.

[Kevin]

He doesn't live there. And interesting you're saying all-white = best, racist.



He spends alot of time there..

And I'm sorry..

Did i miss the fact that All the successful Black, Latin and so one people don't move out of the inner city and move into rich burbs?

You have money, you live in a nice place..

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He moved there when it was iffy at best.

I'm not saying that the wedding wasnt too much..

But its their only kid and they wanted to give her a great wedding.

Chelsea was never in the spotlight, never seeked attention.

Never went with this attention grabbing celeb or that one.

Let her have her day.

In the late 90's Harlem began to turn it around. I believed he opened up his office in early '01


Besides he had to pick Harlem. He was our 1st Black President :lol:

[Kevin]

In the late 90's Harlem began to turn it around. I believed he opened up his office in early '01


Besides he had to pick Harlem. He was our 1st Black President :lol:



Its a close enough time frame that you can say it was still iffy..

And yes, he indeed was our first black president.

[sailor]

He spends alot of time there..

And I'm sorry..

Did i miss the fact that All the successful Black, Latin and so one people don't move out of the inner city and move into rich burbs?

You have money, you live in a nice place..

i meant AJ. i'm just prescient.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its not about bashing Chelsea. Let her enjoy her day. Mazeltov I say

Its the fact that time and time again we hear about greed overall from the powers that be but they go ahead and spend millions of dollars of their own money. Again if they earned it fine they can spend it how they want, its just the grandstanding and lecturing to us.

I know its unrelated but Kerry wanted to dock his boat in RI and get out of paying 500K a yr in docking fees in MA, but he's the 1st one to criticize people that because of their greed poor minority children in Boston housing projects dont know if they will eat tonight.

Barney Frank was bitching last week because he didnt get is $1 discount on the ferry to fire island

[CaptainBlowhole]

She seems like an okay kid and all, but has what she herself accomplished in life merit this much attention?

[Bob Impact]

Its a close enough time frame that you can say it was still iffy..

And yes, he indeed was our first black president.

It's not iffy at all, the UMEZ was in 1995, that's where Harlem's turn around really started in earnest, not with Clinton. His office certainly helped, but to say it's the cause is just wrong.

[Bob Impact]

She seems like an okay kid and all, but has what she herself accomplished in life merit this much attention?

Be the daughter of the president. If we're going to have unearned celebrity in this country I would much rather it be Chelsea Clinton, who does handle herself with dignity, over a Kardashian.

[Dudeman]

The wedding cost btwn 3-5million

Its their money and they can spend it however they want, however when the clintons lecture us about greed its the height of hypocrisy. They talk about class warfare etc but theyre the ones who spent all this money on a wedding and now are buying a 9 million dollar mansion in Bedford. I guess Chappaqua wasn't lilywhite enough for them

Ultimately, those types of issues are window dressing- for these people, I think it is really more about policies you fight and advocate for. i don't think you could saw when comparing clinton's policies or appointments vs. bush's that clinton advocated more for the non-lilywhite faction of the country.

also, the fact that bush daughter didn't have a big wedding wasn't out of some desire to show restraint, it is just their family's personality- everyone knows bush does like to party (anymore)- instead, after a long business day of biking, he liked to go sleep early, and did enjoy going out for diner/theater/cultural activities at night.

[Kevin]

It's not iffy at all, the UMEZ was in 1995, that's where Harlem's turn around really started in earnest, not with Clinton. His office certainly helped, but to say it's the cause is just wrong.



Who said he was the cause of it?

My point was that he moved into Harlem when it was still known as an iffy area..

Was it as bad as it was in the 80s? No..

But it was not this safe wealthy area that dude! was saying he always goes to either.

[A.J.]

Be the daughter of the president. If we're going to have unearned celebrity in this country I would much rather it be Chelsea Clinton, who does handle herself with dignity, over a Kardashian.

Well said. I don't hate Chelsea, who by all accounts hates the spotlight, but rather the disgusting, voyeuristic, reality-TV show society we have become.

I read this quote from some idiot who was standing outside where the wedding took place:

“This is exciting. There’s so much trouble in the world but this Saturday everything stops just for this wedding,” said Anne McConnell, who’d secured a strategically placed bench opposite the Beekman in hopes of seeing members of the Clinton family.

“It’s just a shame it’s not on TV,” she said. “This should be live on TV like Princess Diana’s wedding.”

Right. Because Chelsea is "royalty" and we all are entitled to see what goes on in other people's lives.

[sailor]

But it was not this safe wealthy area that dude! was saying he always goes to either.

Im not certain, but does he have a secret service detail all the time?

[Bob Impact]

Who said he was the cause of it?

My point was that he moved into Harlem when it was still known as an iffy area..

Was it as bad as it was in the 80s? No..

But it was not this safe wealthy area that dude! was saying he always goes to either.
Ah, I see, my bad, I misread your post.


Im not certain, but does he have a secret service detail all the time?
I'm not either but I thought all former presidents did.

[Kevin]

Im not certain, but does he have a secret service detail all the time?



I think every ex president has the choice of lifetime Secret Service..

Though its obviously not at the level when they were in office.

[epo]

I think every ex president has the choice of lifetime Secret Service..

Though its obviously not at the level when they were in office.

It was lifetime protection for ex-Presidents and their spouses. In 1997 Congress changed the rule so now its only 10 years after holding office.

Means that Clinton is the last President to receive lifetime Secret Service protection.

[Dudeman]

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/hayden-panettiere-bristol-palin_366x547.jpg

Speaking of politician's kids and avoiding the spotlight...

From Palin's wikipedia page:

"Palin now works with the speakers' circuit and will ask between $15,000 and $30,000 for each appearance. She has signed with Single Source Speakers. She is listed on the speaking group's website as available for conferences, fundraisers, special events and holidays, as well as women's, youth, abstinence and "pro-life" programs."

"Palin made a guest appearance as herself on the July 5, 2010 episode of ABC Family's teenage drama, The Secret Life of the American Teenager"

[hanso]

Yea...

Your argument would be valid if you actualy pay attention insted of fox news-ing it and spouting garbage..

You realize that Clinton opened up his office smackdown in the middle of Harlem, last time i checked... Not alot of whites there.

And if you have money, aren't you going to live in the best of area's?

Good work Cletus.

I thought the same. And he is US Ambassador to Haiti.

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Where he gets this treatment from Dubya.

[Bob Impact]

I thought the same. And he is US Ambassador to Haiti.

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Where he gets this treatment from Dubya.

I was so close to saying "Oh come on, he didn't wipe his hand, he patted him on the shoulder" until the very end where he LITERALLY WIPED HIS HAND OFF on Clinton's shirt. :lol:

[pennington]

My point was that he moved into Harlem when it was still known as an iffy area.

Please, let's stop acting like Clinton was acting nobly when he put his Presidential office in Harlem.

If you remember, he originally was going to open his office elsewhere and there was an outcry because the rent was so high (the government pays for this space). Hillary was running for the Senate, on her way to the Presidency, and didn't need the bad publicity (I'm sure they hoped it would help with the black vote turn-out too).

[meanmrbill]

Let me get this straight....all of you guys who seem to resent the attention given to this chick's wedding are countering it by...........giving it more attention???????

[hanso]

Which, let's be honest, are going to be majority white.

I remember when the Clintons campaigned in 1992, they were making a big deal about public schools. People in DC were hoping that they'd send Chelsea to one of DC's public schools. So where did Chelsea end up going? Sidwell Friends: an elite private school in one of the more well-to-do parts of DC. There was a "controversy" about that for about 5 minutes.

If it were left up to the conservatives. There would be few if any public schools.

[Dudeman]

because my daddy and granddaddy were rich and powerful, I'm entitled

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[Kevin]

I thought the same. And he is US Ambassador to Haiti.

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Where he gets this treatment from Dubya.



I gotta give credit to the Bushes..

Sr and now Jr have done a great job with Clinton using their status and celebrity to do good on the humaniterian front for years now.

[sailor]

I'm not either but I thought all former presidents did.

yeah, so they could put his office anywhere and he'd be in a safe area.

[Dude!]

damn...if she would have
spent those wedding millions
on plastic surgey, she could
have made herself into
an average looking woman

[StanUpshaw]

yeah, so they could put his office anywhere and he'd be in a safe area.

This too, but mainly what pennington said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/13/nyregion/criticized-on-office-rent-clinton-looks-to-harlem.html
Faced with a barrage of criticism for his decision to rent lavish office space in Manhattan, former President Bill Clinton yesterday abandoned his plans to move into the 56th floor of a Midtown skyscraper. He is now looking uptown, at more modest space on Harlem's main shopping boulevard, with equally panoramic views.

Officials at the General Services Administration, which oversees office space for former presidents, said yesterday that Mr. Clinton's office had notified them that he was no longer interested in Carnegie Hall Tower, where he had planned to rent the 56th floor for $738,700 a year.

Yesterday morning, Mr. Clinton's staff met with the owners of a newly renovated office building at 55 West 125th Street, between Lenox and Fifth Avenues, and toured the vacant top floor of the 14-story building. The asking rent for the 7,000-square-foot space is $30 a square foot, compared with $89 at Carnegie Hall Tower. The total annual rent would be $210,000.
...

[razorboy]

damn...if she would have
spent those wedding millions
on plastic surgey, she could
have made herself into
an average looking woman

You sh
ould
know

[epo]

damn...if she would have
spent those wedding millions
on plastic surgey, she could
have made herself into
an average looking woman

You are
The epitome of
Scumbag.

[meanmrbill]

damn...if she would have
spent those wedding millions
on plastic surgey, she could
have made herself into
an average looking woman
Surgey you're mistaken.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are
The epitome of
Scumbag.

I know why youre mad. She married a Jew!!!!

[Kevin]

I know why youre mad. She married a Jew!!!!

Ha!

Silly jew hating epo..

[epo]

damn...if she would have
spent those wedding millions
on plastic surgey, she could
have made herself into
an average looking woman

I know why youre mad. She married a Jew!!!!

Actually asswipe, I find the right-wing talking point of "Chelsea is ugly" to be amongst the cruelest shit the conservative right has ever done.

A teenage girl makes the mistake of being born to the "wrong parents" and gets brutalized for the rest of her life because she doesn't fit some bullshit model of beauty from Day 1. The cruelty and pathetic nature of attacking a politician's underage daughter at that point in her life is beyond scumbag.

I hope those who revel in such tactics burn in hell.

[Kevin]

Actually asswipe, I find the right-wing talking point of "Chelsea is ugly" to be amongst the cruelest shit the conservative right has ever done.

A teenage girl makes the mistake of being born to the "wrong parents" and gets brutalized for the rest of her life because she doesn't fit some bullshit model of beauty from Day 1. The cruelty and pathetic nature of attacking a politician's underage daughter at that point in her life is beyond scumbag.

I hope those who revel in such tactics burn in hell.

Although I agree with everything you said..

I think WF was being sarcastic...

I could be wrong though.

[StanUpshaw]

Actually asswipe, I find the right-wing talking point of "Chelsea is ugly" to be amongst the cruelest shit the conservative right has ever done.

A teenage girl makes the mistake of being born to the "wrong parents" and gets brutalized for the rest of her life because she doesn't fit some bullshit model of beauty from Day 1. The cruelty and pathetic nature of attacking a politician's underage daughter at that point in her life is beyond scumbag.

I hope those who revel in such tactics burn in hell.

I trust that if I go back in the Juneau Juno thread I'll find you admonishing the people making comments about Bristol/Trig/Trip/Apple/Moon Unit Palin, right?

[epo]

I trust that if I go back in the Juneau Juno thread I'll find you admonishing the people making comments about Bristol/Trig/Trip/Apple/Moon Unit Palin, right?

Look it up:

Post #4 in the thread: (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1844085&postcount=4)

Even the majority of people on the DailyKos want nothing to do with this story.

Politically its stupid to chase. Hand it off to the National Enquirer and slowly walk away.......

Post #57 in the thread: (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1844206&postcount=57)

Statistically, absolutely. However it would be much, much more likely for a 44-year old woman to have a child with DS.

Another reason not to touch this story.....science!

A bit of data on this.....

I will tear the shit out of her mother's politics, I will question her and Levi's "grown-up" decisions...however I will not vilify an underage child of a politician for being born into the wrong family.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Actually asswipe, I find the right-wing talking point of "Chelsea is ugly" to be amongst the cruelest shit the conservative right has ever done.

A teenage girl makes the mistake of being born to the "wrong parents" and gets brutalized for the rest of her life because she doesn't fit some bullshit model of beauty from Day 1. The cruelty and pathetic nature of attacking a politician's underage daughter at that point in her life is beyond scumbag.

I hope those who revel in such tactics burn in hell.

I was being sarcastic.

Who the fuck died and annointed you Fred Phelps?

[hanso]

Barbara Bush has Marty Feldman eyes. But so does Chelsea.

[epo]

I was being sarcastic.

Who the fuck died and annointed you Fred Phelps?

Actually you were being an asshole, as per usual.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

EPO HAS SELECTIVE READING !!!!!!



Its not about bashing Chelsea. Let her enjoy her day. Mazeltov I say

Its the fact that time and time again we hear about greed overall from the powers that be but they go ahead and spend millions of dollars of their own money. Again if they earned it fine they can spend it how they want, its just the grandstanding and lecturing to us.

I know its unrelated but Kerry wanted to dock his boat in RI and get out of paying 500K a yr in docking fees in MA, but he's the 1st one to criticize people that because of their greed poor minority children in Boston housing projects dont know if they will eat tonight.

Barney Frank was bitching last week because he didnt get is $1 discount on the ferry to fire island

[StanUpshaw]

Look it up:

Post #4 in the thread: (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1844085&postcount=4)



Post #57 in the thread: (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1844206&postcount=57)



I will tear the shit out of her mother's politics, I will question her and Levi's "grown-up" decisions...however I will not vilify an underage child of a politician for being born into the wrong family.

That's a far cry from asswipes burning in hell.

[epo]

That's a far cry from asswipes burning in hell.

Let's remember the context of that one too. Nobody was vilifying an underage girl for her existence....rather they were going after a stupid "conspiracy theory". I thought the whole thing was asinine from the start.

[Dudeman]

I trust that if I go back in the Juneau Juno thread I'll find you admonishing the people making comments about Bristol/Trig/Trip/Apple/Moon Unit Palin, right?

There is also a big difference between calling a politician's daughter ugly and pointing out the hipocrisy of a politician that wants to promote abstinence over condoms and deny a women's right to chose having a teenage daughter have an unwanted pregnancy out of wedlock.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's a far cry from asswipes burning in hell.

ass, burning ouch!!!

[Sinestro]

Chelsea looked very lovely. Nice to see that she outgrew her gawky stage.

[sailor]

Just about everyone I know thought Chelsea was an ugly kid, regardless of ideology.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm just glad the stupid bitch finally got fucking married. Maybe now we can stop hearing about it.

[Dude!]

I know why youre mad. She married a Jew!!!!

exactly!

i never take anything
epo says seriously

i feel sorry for him
he lives in Milwaukee
for chrissakes...
the albania of the midwest

[Kevin]

exactly!

i never take anything
epo says seriously

i feel sorry for him
he lives in Milwaukee
for chrissakes...
the albania of the midwest

You mean, MilwaUkee has great sandy Beaches and resorts?

Milwaukee is slowly becoming one of the best summer spots in the world?

I did not know that!

TURN OFF FOX NEWS AND DO SOME REASERCH CLETUS!

[Dude!]

it's a cesspool
that produces
horrible, dreadful people

[Kevin]

it's a cesspool
that produces
horrible, dreadful people

You mean Alabama where you are from?

I agree Cletus..

[StanUpshaw]

You mean Alabama where you are from?

I agree Cletus..

Big AAAAAAAaAAaAAAA!

[Bob Impact]

You mean, MilwaUkee has great sandy Beaches and resorts?

Milwaukee is slowly becoming one of the best summer spots in the world?

I did not know that!

TURN OFF FOX NEWS AND DO SOME REASERCH CLETUS!

I heard that not too long ago amd it still seems really weird to me.

[Kevin]

I heard that not too long ago amd it still seems really weird to me.


Yea, its beautiful there in the summer.

The beaches were always great because its on the mediteranian, but they put a ton of money on the resorts there.

[StanUpshaw]

I heard that not too long ago amd it still seems really weird to me.

They use the beaches as bait to lure in the girls for the white slave trade.

[Dude!]

albanian surfer dudes:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/03/04/world/04kosovo.600.jpg

[A.J.]

Just about everyone I know thought Chelsea was an ugly kid, regardless of ideology.

Thank you.

[Kevin]

albanian surfer dudes:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/03/04/world/04kosovo.600.jpg



Thats 1000000 better than your folks in Alabamba, Cletus Varnum.

[Kevin]

Stan would use the Albanian beaches to lure dave and kidnapp him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's a cesspool
that produces
horrible, dreadful people

Also awful beer and an atrocious baseball team

[mikeyboy]

Yea, its beautiful there in the summer.

The beaches were always great because its on the mediteranian, but they put a ton of money on the resorts there.

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
Your land is mostly mountainous
And your chief export is chrome

[Dude!]

Albania, Albania
You border on the Adriatic
Your land is mostly mountainous
And your chief export is retards

bingo